They are just as bad as Obama littelry making fools of themselves. As Emperor Ming would say:

Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror.

You're peppy this morning. Must have stolen the caffine out of my coffee or something.

climate scientists at the National Academy of Sciences say they are tired of “being treated like political pawns”

Gee, I wonder why that started. Oh yeh, it was because climate scientists wanted to use politics to get funding and so they lied their little heads off.

As a small child, I remember being told that when I was an adult there would be no single family  homes and even the medians in the highways would have to be farmed to feed the population. Ahhhh, bullshit.

“an outlandishly aggressively partisan approach”

The socialist party...

 Their strategy includes forming a nonprofit group to organize researchers and use their donations to challenge critics by running a back-page ad in the New York Times.

ROFL. The NY Times can't be bothered to report about the problems. Putting an ad there might alert a few readers that there actually is a problem!

Well Morons; I have to call it a day early today.  Got some chores to do including my bit for the Gaia nutbags; hauling aluminum cans into the fire station where they will be turned in for support of the Shriner's Burn Children Hospitals.

May be back later. Have fun.

Ok!  I'm sorry already!  I missed the THC.  Dah - Friday.

Epic.  Not often used - epic.  If this were good news that would mean we are all VERY happy.

It's not.

http://tinyurl.com/y8q3f53

These guys are making it clearer and clearer everyday that the entire scam from the "scientists" point of view is an effort to obtain as much grant money as possible.

The libs then go out and attack the insurance industry and the oil industry and the weapons industry and the energy industry et al while those industries at least provide either a service or a product.

These "scientists" are peddling fear and taking in huge amounts of money to produce nothing but fear and socialism. Talk about GREED. Wall street are pikers compared to these dicks.

WTF is the "sinestrophere".

The lefties.

people (outside of academe, I mean) don't just sit around and wait to starve

Why is it that the Erlich types assume we'll never have any more innovations or discoveries to make life better? Do they think indoor plumbing sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus?

WH to Overrule Holder

What? All the ghosts of all the old presidents got together long enough to force holder to recant. Wouldn't it be easier to just drop a chandelier on him or something?

Holocaust Museum shooter? Not a left wing zealot. Not even on the left.

Joe Stack? Not a left wing zealot. Not even on the left. There was no communist reference at the bottom of his suicide note. It was a reich-wing false flag information plant.

Don't know who else you're talking about, but let's not deny the rising tide of right wing extremism and violence.

sino means left Chinese.

FIFY.

Dexter = right, sinister = left. So dextrosphere, sinestrosphere = right and left blogs, respectively.

 Do they think indoor plumbing sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus?

Two cups of coffee didn't work, but along comes this frightning mental image.

Good morning!

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2010 10:14 AM (D7/BU)

Sino means Chinese.  Sinistro means left

Tinian, obviously, it's the misspelled opposite of "dextrosphere." See? Simple.

Here is the new global warming strategy:

http://tinyurl.com/ybghpov

Okay, you caught us, CO2 was a fraud. But this methane, it's different.  Note this originates from Alaska Fairbanks, whose leading seabed researcher recently offed himself due to the unbearable heaviness of existence and being Sylvia Plath's son, but mostly, no shit, actually being Sylvia Plath's son. And a climate researcher. Kind of says it all, like being born with your head in the oven wherever.

Most of our colleagues donÂ’t seem to grasp that weÂ’re not in a gentlepersonsÂ’ debate, weÂ’re in a street fight against well-funded, merciless enemies who play by entirely different rules

Projection.

It's what's for dinner.

Sino means Chinese.  Sinistro means left

So clearly Chinese hackers are the fault of the leftie bloggers.

17,18 Yes to both.  Of course, this always excluded extra, super-duper smart professors who believed in population bombs, lol.

Actually, if the tea party or the conservatives really wanted to protest something -- the colleges would be where I'd go.  Getting rid of the government they support won't solve the problem; they'd still be there -- and they are the mother ship.

So clearly Chinese hackers are the fault of the leftie bloggers.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 05, 2010 10:22 AM (Be4xl)

The lefty bloggers are all sockpuppets worn by the Chinese.  Commie see, Commie saw.

Any chance of getting an open thread?  Lots of news out there.

Just askin'.

Posted by: polynikes at March 05, 2010 10:23 AM (Nznze)

Rather have a smoking hot mermaid.

Actually, if the tea party or the conservatives really wanted to protest something -- the colleges would be where I'd go.  Getting rid of the government they support won't solve the problem; they'd still be there -- and they are the mother ship.

More like disease reservoir. You know, like Pack Rats in New Mexico are a reservoir for plague?

Obama to the UN:

The danger posed by climate change cannot be denied. Our responsibility to meet it must not be deferred. If we continue down our current course, every member of this Assembly will see irreversible changes within their borders. Our efforts to end conflicts will be eclipsed by wars over refugees and resources. Development will be devastated by drought and famine. Land that human beings have lived on for millennia will disappear. And those wealthy nations that did so much damage to the environment in the 20th century must accept our obligation to lead. But responsibility does not end there. 

I still want to know what land inhabited for millennia is going to disappear?

Tired of politics? How 'bout sticking to fact? Hmmmm.... 

More here at Wattsupwiththat:

http://tinyurl.com/ydl9q9e

Well, hey, hundreds of millions of people did die between 1968 and 1980.

40, 000 men and women every day. Don't fear the Reaper.

@82

From your link, I wonder how 3 Biologists became climate scientists? I have degrees in Biology and Engineering, yet I do not claim to be a climate scientist. I don't recall a single climatology class in any of my course work. 

Posted by: maddogg at March 05, 2010 10:36 AM (OlN4e)

Not necessary, cretin.  Excelsior!

Posted by: maddogg at March 05, 2010 10:36 AM (OlN4e)

I wonder how the study of the climate ever became a  science.

Posted by: Rick Warren at March 05, 2010 10:16 AM (mhD2v)

You forgot one:

Britney Spears greatness denied.

The god of AGW is dead.  It killed itself by overdosing on vanity.  Now all of its acolytes are following in its footsteps.

It's sad.  People who once had credibility are pissing it away.  For many they had sacrificed years to earn their credibility and their positions but because of their vanity and their belief that they deserved to influence how little people should behave, they gouged their own eyes out.

Poor Rick can't accept the fact that his god and his heroes are finished.

When Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991, it spewed more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than man has produced since his time on earth.

One thing has been a constant on earth since its creation - climate has changed.

One thing has been a constant with man since he has been on earth - the arrogance of the few to believe that they have some special right to determine the future of the many.

I wonder how the study of the climate ever became a  science.

Well, it certainly would be important to understanding the planet, past, present, and future. But I think Biology would be a weak background when climatology would require many branches of specialists to study. From physics to chemistry. Paleontology also. It would warrant being a specific field of study, but without a political agenda to push.

92  There were more people than you think that did the very same thing, and still do.  Exhibit: Europe.

Good going academic freaks; you managed to start a mass die off...of your own species. 

Bitch!  You better have my money!

Word.

I wonder how the study of the climate ever became a  science.

Did it? I'm not sure there's evidence that proves it did.

94  That's actually something I'm quite afraid of.  Some of these folks have access to all kinds of bad stuff and wouldn't mind unleashing it -- gotta save Gaia!  It's up to me now! (I can see them whispering just that as they spread some super bug all over every buffet diner in a three state area).

And with the state of the colleges now...oh, ideological zealotry coupled with malignant narcissism touched off by infantile rage -- where and what could it lead to? Very scary stuff.

God I feel sorry for my sane colleagues still in sometimes.

and while we're on the subject,

Let's hear it for shapewear ads.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 05, 2010 10:34 AM (mR7mk)

You challenged their self-confirming world view and cozy assumptions.  What did you think, that they would throw you a party?  They don't want reality, they want a fantasy that makes them seem important and makes their future seem predictable and secure.  You take that fantasy away, you may as well have murdered their kids in their view.

92  There were more people than you think that did the very same thing, and still do.  Exhibit: Europe.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 05, 2010 10:48 AM (5/yRG)

I thought with Europe it's more a combination of cultural suicide and tired genes.  Until just recently.

The rats have already scurried overboard.  The crew is heading to the lifeboats, and guys like this are the Captain, still barking orders to no one in the vain effort to save his sinking ship.

And to think I was beginning to despair.

Come to think of it, all the vociferous attackers of the skeptics are awful quiet as of late.  Nowhere near as many trolls about it on blogs, Yahoo, or even the cesspool that is the Youtube comments section.  How are they doing over at RealClimate, or whatever that big Alarmist propaganda site that is?

Let's hear it for shapewear ads.

Indeed.

Speaking of eco-nuts, any chance we'll get to see some student beatdowns?

At the LA Times' website there's a great photo taken over the shoulder of a motorcycle cop of student protesters holding signs that say "Less Pigs / More Books."

and one last thing...

Science is rarely, if ever, settled.

Piixy is a dude. Kemp, you gotta email Ace two or three times a day with "BANNED " in the subject line or soemthing.

Quote of the day at JWF: "I will take our troops out of the war zone and put them into space!"

Yeh.

The main factors that control climate are just guesses. Nobody can say for sure what the hell affects climate.

YES!

But yet they treat the general public as if we are idiots. If in fact you have a clear case that man is causing warming, then present it with the data. If you can't , then STFU.

And you also need to point out that warming is bad. As opposed to an Ice Age.

Hmmm, wonder how well THAT would go over.

Ok, I checked RealClimate for myself.  Holy fuck!

Denial, obfuscation, excuses, rationalizations...these words don't adequately describe the level of dishonesty over there.  They're definitely on the defensive, but the best way to characterize their reaction is "unadulterated bullshit".

When I was a child, Indians cried over all the trash littering our pristine environment and the next ice age was supposed to start any minute.

Oh to go back to those simpler times.

Oh and one of the things that bothers me about the "climate experts" is how little they seem to take into account that great big gassy ball in the sky and its effects on our planet.

The thing is we could all go back to living in caves and yet factors out of our control (meteor anyone) would still make us their bitch.

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 11:19 AM (xzSvW)

Good Lord.  That sounds awful.

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 11:19 AM (xzSvW)

Life is short dude. Too short to waste unhappy.

When I was a child, Indians cried over all the trash littering our pristine environment and the next ice age was supposed to start any minute.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 05, 2010 11:17 AM (RZ8pf)

I'm still pissed off about that Indian.  He wasn't even an Indian, he was Eye-talian.  But he lied about being an Indian.

My Lefty, lazy, and layabout wife believes this crap today, and doesn't want children because of it (and because she doesn't want children raised by a Conservative father). I keep hoping she'll see the light, and return to how she was before her semester at college totally changed her. But I'll probably have to see a lawyer if I can get up the balls to leave her.

There is information out there about the indoctrination that is happending in Universities. Maybe that will get her to second guess how correct she is. If she starts second guessing, then she might be more open to listening to you, especially if you can take specific topics, and clamly back them up with hard evidence. 

Yes, but the Indian cried beautifully on cue now, didn't he? I can still picture him standing by the side of the road, one tear sliding down his face as he surveyed the once majestic beauty of the land covered in garbage.

Interestingly, I do believe that a campaign to stop littering was a good idea and also effective. At least the 70s campaign was. My problem with the current movement is the absolute overkill on the subject and the ridiculous ideas for "saving the planet."

I'm also bothered by how much they are indoctrinating the kids about it. And how the slogan is no "Reduce, Re-use, Recycle, Re-Think." Re-think indeed.

Dave C, Wired hasn't totally bought the bullshit. They've had some good articles on the anti-vaccine movement for example and also they have had a couple of pieces on the opposing viewpoints to the global warming BS.

I thought it was doomed as a magazine, at least one in my house, when it went nuts for Obama. But, even that has been dialed way back.

Yes, but the Indian cried beautifully on cue now, didn't he?

You mean the Sicilian.  Iron Eyes Cody was as much a "Native American" as Chief Jay Strongbow (real name Joe Scarpa).

My Lefty, lazy, and layabout wife believes this crap today, and doesn't want children because of it (and because she doesn't want children raised by a Conservative father). I keep hoping she'll see the light, and return to how she was before her semester at college totally changed her. But I'll probably have to see a lawyer if I can get up the balls to leave her

Get the hell out. Get out before she gets pregnant and you're stuck with child care payments. You can even use her not wanting to have children against her in court. That's not a marriage.

The Enviro-Psycos need to be exposed for what there real agenda is. It pisses me off when people who know that this is all B.S., but write it off as people who are either ill-informed, or just emotional about the Environment.

That is B.S....These people are well organized, well funded, and they know exactly what they are doing.

They want to destroy Capitalism, re-disribute America's Wealth, and create the atmosphere for a World Government. If people don't start figuring out what these people really want, then this is going to go on forever. 

"idiot pseudo-scientists"

Nice turn of phrase.

Sorry about the rant! Everyone I know is sick of my ranting about this but not taking any action!

Damn, Dude. I gripe when my wife leaves her shoes in the middle of the living room. My sympathy.

BTW, man up and disappear the cats. It's a start.

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 11:35 AM (xzSvW)

Pyrocles, if she's like this while taking medication for this behavior...something ain't workin'.  Maybe too medicated, wrong medication, or some other undiagnosed problem.  Call her doctor(s), for you sake as well as hers. 

Posted by: right at March 05, 2010 11:33 AM (EquV1)

I LOLed.

She is "sick", so I can't really abandon her. I feel guilty about resenting her, but she's damn hard to take care of. I'm still fairly young, and don't need this shit in my life! She actually threatened to kill herself if I ever leave her... Gah...

Sorry about the rant! Everyone I know is sick of my ranting about this but not taking any action!

When you talk to Counselors, they will tell you that most of the time this is a defensive mechanism, and used as a tool to keep you where she wants you....Under Her Thumb. You should force her to go to a Counselor with you, and they will call her bluff for you. That way you can let the shit hit the fan and you'll have a referee there to stop all the manipulation.  

Posted by: Rocks at March 05, 2010 11:35 AM (Q1lie)

Horseshit.  I was a kid, and that stupid asshole made me feel guilty as hell.  And worried about the plaaaanet!

Horseshit.  I was a kid, and that stupid asshole made me feel guilty as hell.  And worried about the plaaaanet!

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 11:44 AM (1fanL)

All he ever did was talk about littering. You should feel guilty if you are littering. Why should other people have to pick up your shit?

Could someone describe for me the best example of Ehrlich having been right about something?

He lost that commodity pricing bet to Julian Simon and didn't pay up.

......

Oh wait, you probably meant like factually or morally or ethically. I thought you meant financially...

Scientists want to fight back?  Publish data that can be verified by other scientists.

Rachel Carson, oh yes.  DDT is making its way back into use to save people.

Ehrlich, what to say.  One catastrophe pony who has milked it for decades.  Ignore the precious metals bet he lost.

The followers of Malthus are fanatics who have seen their craven god relegated to a footnote.  Like many other false gods it was not the god those followers wanted, but the levers to power of that false god they wanted to weild.

She has become a cat lady, taking in 35 cats that she refuses to take care of (she leaves that and everything else to me).

You shitting me? 35???

Good god, do you vacuum every day just to clear up the cat hair? Not to mention dealing with the litter boxes? Sorry dude, but no way in hell would I put up with a woman like that.

And I like cats...

All he ever did was talk about littering. You should feel guilty if you are littering. Why should other people have to pick up your shit?

Posted by: Rocks at March 05, 2010 11:46 AM (Q1lie)

I wasn't littering.  I was worried about the fucking planet.  They ran that fucking PSA on Saturday mornings.  You know, when little kids were watching cartoons.

I feel ya, Pyrocles -- I'm going through something similar with my mother and sister (the one who still sometimes talks to me -- we're a fun bunch). I get to be the bad guy because I've stopped going along with all their horseshit. It's not a fun place to be. Just remember that you don't have to feel what she wants you to feel, or do what she wants you to do -- it's your choice, and you can choose "against" her if you wish. I won't lie; the backlash is gonna suck. But if you can ride it out you'll feel better in the long run.

I'd start by getting rid of some of those cats. It's your house, too, and more so if you're the one paying for it.

166

My Lefty, lazy, and layabout wife believes this crap today, and doesn't want children because of it

This reminds me of an episode of All in the Family* I saw back in the 70s. The liberal Meathead didn't want to bring children into this cruel, hopelss world. It was an uncharacteristically serious episode.

*The show with that whacked-out rightwinger, Archie Bunker.

I was in grade school at the time where out class assignment one day was to draw a poster advocating a way to save energy. My poster said: Save energy. Ride a horse.

You shitting me? 35???

Good god, do you vacuum every day just to clear up the cat hair? Not to mention dealing with the litter boxes? Sorry dude, but no way in hell would I put up with a woman like that.

And I like cats...

Yep, I vacuum weekly with a Shop Vac. I clean all 25 litter boxes every weekend; takes about 5 hours. All while she lies on the couch doing nothing. I don't have time to clean daily, as I work 40 hours per week while she does nothing. Let her stay at home laying in filth; she doesn't seem to mind.

I want to start going with her to her counseling sessions. So far, her therapist doesn't think "it's time yet"... God knows when it will be "time".

And believe it or not, she's on the best combination of medication that she's tried yet. She's not really depressed at all now, and acts pretty much like she always did. It's just her motivation that's totally gone. She doesn't seem to care about anything or have any ambition. I'm questioning if she ever had any to begin with.

My poster said: Save energy. Ride a horse.

It should have said: "Save Energy. Off a Leftist"

I wasn't littering.  I was worried about the fucking planet.  They ran that fucking PSA on Saturday mornings.  You know, when little kids were watching cartoons.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 11:50 AM (1fanL)

I said if. Why should you feel guilty if you weren't littering?

I want to start going with her to her counseling sessions. So far, her therapist doesn't think "it's time yet"... God knows when it will be "time".

Dude, You tell him that you want to be a part of it, or you changing Counselors. He just saying that, because he is just bleeding you guys for money. Demand results or go to new people. There are places on the web, where you can find reviews of these people. Just keep going to different ones until you start getting results. If you not a part of it, the counselor isn't going to be able understand the dynamic at home, and he doesn't understand that there is no way anything is going to get accomplished.

If all else fails, hire a "Life Coach." Someone who will go over there everyday and get her off her Ass while you toil away at work.

When is earth day? I need go get a tire to burn.

April 22 and you read my thoughts. Take a drive in the country and visit your local farmer. He probably has some old worn out tractor tires he'd like to get rid of.

Two suggestions when burning them. First, do it at night. The smoke is really thick and black and this way the local EPA won't be able to track you down. Second, have leather gloves and a couple pitchforks ready for clean up. The leftover steel cords are a real bitch to handle.

Happy Earth Day!

I said if. Why should you feel guilty if you weren't littering?

Posted by: Rocks at March 05, 2010 11:57 AM (Q1lie)

Because I was a little kid, and there was a crying Indian on TV looking at a field full of trash.  Get it?

Because I was a little kid, and there was a crying Indian on TV looking at a field full of trash.  Get it?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 12:04 PM (1fanL)

Yeah, I get it. You didn't put the trash there. If your brother broke your mother's favorite lamp and was crying would you fell guilty? I make enough mistakes and do enough stupid things in my life to have regrets over. I sure wasn't going to start feeling bad for what other people did.

Yeah, I get it. You didn't put the trash there. If your brother broke your mother's favorite lamp and was crying would you fell guilty? I make enough mistakes and do enough stupid things in my life to have regrets over. I sure wasn't going to start feeling bad for what other people did.

Posted by: Rocks at March 05, 2010 12:09 PM (Q1lie)

No, you don't get it.  They made that guilt-inducing ad and aimed it at little kids.  It's fucking indoctrination.  And they're still doing it.  But as long as it's a policy you support, you're good with it.  Disappointing.

@223

Have you ever been thru a "Native American Reservation?" The whole premise that these people actually give a shit about litter is ridiculous, and it was only the kids who would believe it, hence that is why they were targetted.

You ever see how the Soiux live in the Dakotas, and the Navajo in the Dessert, definetly not the standard bearer for a "Clean Planet."

No, you don't get it.  They made that guilt-inducing ad and aimed it at little kids.  It's fucking indoctrination.  And they're still doing it.  But as long as it's a policy you support, you're good with it.  Disappointing.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 12:11 PM (1fanL)

If it means I don't have to walk over used condoms and beer cans every time I go to the beach then yeah fine by me. And it wasn't just aimed at little kids, it was aimed at everybody.You just happened to have been a little kid. If having some people feel guilty means I have to pay less taxes because there is less crap for public works to pick up and so less public workers then I'm all for it. because somebody is going to have to pick that shit up.

So Iron Eyes Cody wasn't Native born?

Damn. And here I've been baggin trash ever since.

Stoopid blog won't let me post an ASCII chicken.

Yes, yes, it's for the best, I'm sure...

I have no idea, but the state of affairs on Indian reservation-type arrangements never ceases to horrify me. I don't romanticize the "Noble Indians", and I'm no bleeding heart,  but their lives absolutely suck . The rates of alcoholism, violence, mental illness, etc. are off the charts. If some of that casino influence/money can do something to help that would be great.

Thats what you get when you destroy someone's self respect through making them a government dependant. Zero wants to make us all residents of his reservation.

Ok, as a former animal shelter employee and cruelty inspector -- Pyrocles, you have to contact a cat rescue or shelter, tell them what's up, and that you need help re-homing at least some of those cats. 

A sane animal inspector will work with you (just be careful, a lot of them are leftist nuts anymore) -- that many cats in one house is unhealthy for you and unhealthy for the cats, even unhealthy for future occupants of the house; especially if they aren't being taken care of during the day by her.  That's not fair to the cats -- in a sense they are like children in that they depend upon the people to take care of them, which they aren't really getting (that said: are you sure you want kids with this?  She's likely to treat a baby as badly as the cats...or worse; seriously, think about it).  What kind of life do you think they are leading right now?

You have to get that number down to a reasonable level (which sounds to me like no more than two).  If she pitches a fit, frak it -- you are responsible for those animals, so take care of them, get them out of there.

And it makes a very strong case against her -- my advice would be to secrete away a stash and find a lawyer...at some point you do have to look out for yourself.  Sounds to me like she has more issues with control than depression -- and possibly has some addictive and abusive issues as well (as in she's an abuser).

"They made that guilt-inducing ad and aimed it at little kids.  It's fucking indoctrination.  And they're still doing it."

Because really we shouldn't be recycling anything, we should all drive gas guzzling Hummers everywhere, be free to use all the pesticides we damn well wanna, burn any damn thing we please and pollute the water so freakin bad all the fish die and they catch on fire.

 Stupid goddamn commies.

Because really we shouldn't be recycling anything, we should all drive gas guzzling Hummers everywhere, be free to use all the pesticides we damn well wanna, burn any damn thing we please and pollute the water so freakin bad all the fish die and they catch on fire.

And that is advocated here exactly zero percent of the time.

There is a rather wide gulf between being good stewards of the planet and being unrealistic anti-human assholes.

FUCK!!!

So say we all.

Posted by: Science at March 05, 2010 12:31 PM (UA4gE)

Mt dad's computer model can beat up your dad's computer model.

The first refuge of the mentally incompetent: name-calling.

I'm willing to debate facts, huckleberry.  Bring 'em if you got 'em.  Which I doubt.

270 NO. I got a gun of my own and shot the m****-f****ers

I doubt it. I expect the mere sight of a manly firearm would cause you to irrigate your penny loafers.

Posted by: JEA at March 05, 2010 12:37 PM (ZO0u/)

The first refuge of the brain dead: liberalism

She is "sick", so I can't really abandon her. I feel guilty about resenting her, but she's damn hard to take care of. I'm still fairly young, and don't need this shit in my life! She actually threatened to kill herself if I ever leave her... Gah...
Sorry about the rant! Everyone I know is sick of my ranting about this but not taking any action!

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 11:35 AM (xzSvW)

Obviously, you're getting a plethora of advice on this, so take this bit of input for what it's worth (probably little):

Given the situation that you've described, if I was in your situation, I'd get the hell out as fast as possible.  From my perspective, it sounds to me like you have a parasite on your hands instead of a wife.  People like that are going to do nothing but drain you and drain you and drain you until there's nothing left and you end up in the grave.  The suicide threat is just a manifestation of that; she's knows the minute you leave she's hosed, so she's manipulating your emotions to keep you from leaving.

Don't feel guilty for resenting her.  You have every right to be resentful.  She's not pulling her weight in the marraige. 

I don't believe, based on what you've said, that anything you try will end up changing her.  People like that have to hit rock bottom before they change, if it even happens at all.  But you are not responsible for her well-being.  She's a grown woman and needs to take care of that herself.

Get out.  She's either going to straighten herself out, or she's going to end up like the people you see on that show Hoarders, but I think you need to wipe your hands of the situation and cut off all contact with her before it literally kills you. 

Posted by: JEA at March 05, 2010 12:39 PM (ZO0u/)

Well, we have seen a rash of leftwing domestic terrorists in the last year or so.

I would have though electing your lord and savior to the presidency would have calmed you folks down, but I guess not.

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  Here's the full story.

The division of the human family into its two distinct branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, when humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.

In the pivotal event of societal evolution, beer was invented. This epochal innovation was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the great bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can had yet been invented, so it was necessary to stick pretty close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned how to live off conservatives by showing up for the BBQs every night and doing women's work like sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. Later, some of the liberals actually became women.

Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, invention of group therapy and democratic voting to see how to divide the beer and meat that the conservatives provided. Women were not interested in democracy at that time because most of them were still women back then, and the conservatives fed them.

Conservatives are symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern Liberals like imported beer (they add lime), but most prefer white wine or foreign water in a bottle. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are on liberal menus. Their women have more testosterone than the men. Liberals like deviant sex and want others to like it too. Their first successful city governments were Sodom and Gomorra.

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule in baseball because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumber jacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals do not produce anything. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what is to be done with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals just stayed in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.

Conservatives have principles, believe in a Creator, and the rule of law. They practice charity and give to the poor, normally through their churches. When in doubt on an issue, they check both the Bible and the Constitution, which they use as a constant reference in a changing world. They believe in the concept of truth.

Liberals do not have principles, except for their dedication to stealing production of conservatives and undermining principled references such as the Bible and Constitution. They are never in doubt on an issue because they always do whatever is best for them without regard to others. They have no standard of reference.

Liberals do not give to charity. They cultivate the poor like a cat cultivates a field of mice. They use the poor as voters and give them a portion of stolen tax money which they vote away from conservatives.

Conservatives believe in self defense, both at home and abroad. They own guns and use them to discourage liberals and other common criminals. They provide guns to the armed forces to discourage foreign liberals and other foreign criminals.

Liberals do not believe in conservative self defense. They disarm conservatives, and then attack them with impunity by liberal armies with guns. King George, Hitler and Stalin were all liberals who abandoned the rule of Law, had no principles except their own self indulgence, and attempted to tax and govern conservatives. Liberals believe in BIG government. They think the United Nations is the ultimate answer.

Conservatives believe in the rule of law and when sitting on juries, convict common criminals and acquit fellow conservatives who have been charged by liberals. When serving in the armed forces, they shoot liberals from other countries who want to govern our country.

Liberals only believe in whatever laws are appealing to them, such as the privilege of making a living by taxing conservatives. When sitting on juries, liberals convict producers and acquit liberals and other common criminals. Modern Judges are all liberals as they do not produce anything except chaos, and are paid with confiscated tax money. They consider it against the law to reference any source of law such as the Bible or Constitution. Like other liberals, they just make it up as they go and do what is best for them.

The American cowboy, of course, is your basic, full-bore Conservative. A hundred years ago, an Englishman visiting Texas was attempting to find the owner of a huge cattle ranch. He rode up to one of the ranch hands, and inquired, "Pardon me, but could you perhaps tell me where I might locate your master?" To which the cowboy replied, "That sumbitch ain't been born yet".

Pyrocles -- I'd also leave you with this warning: based on when I was doing this sort of thing, you are courting a neglect charge and possible fines with those cats.  If I was still an investigator I probably would tell you, you had 30 days to clean your house up and rehome at least 32 of those cats...noncompliance would warrant a neglect charge.  Under the circumstances YOU don't need that on top of everything else -- don't let your wife's craziness take you down.  She obviously needs help, but if a person is unwilling to try to help themselves it will not happen.

Oh, and: that'll teach you to open your big mouth around here.

Or spread your butt feathers...

"Well, we have seen a rash of leftwing domestic terrorists in the last year or so."

Here's a few off the top of my head:

Dr Amy Bishop

Joe Stack

Bruco Strongeagle Eastwood

Bruce Ivins

John Patrick Bedell

Let's open the windows in this thread...get a little sunshine and fresh air in here...

Only 12 days until St. Patrick's Day!! Best day of the year!!

I want to start going with her to her counseling sessions. So far, her therapist doesn't think "it's time yet"... God knows when it will be "time".

And believe it or not, she's on the best combination of medication that she's tried yet. She's not really depressed at all now, and acts pretty much like she always did. It's just her motivation that's totally gone. She doesn't seem to care about anything or have any ambition. I'm questioning if she ever had any to begin with.

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 11:54 AM

The poster who said get rid of most of the cats is right.  Having that many cats in a house is cruel and unhealthy.  I'm surprised no one has turned her in for animal cruelty or for breaking the law.  Most cities/townships have laws governing the number of animals you may keep. A person would be required to have a special breeder's license and have a much different  habitat. You may need to call the SPCA or Humane Society yourself and help those animals. You're living with an animal hoarder and it is one of the most difficult mental health issues to deal with.   

Posted by: Flavius Julius at March 05, 2010 12:49 PM (IrdrP)

But...but...but...Silent Spring!!!11!1!

Dr Amy Bishop

Joe Stack

Bruco Strongeagle Eastwood

Bruce Ivins

John Patrick Bedell

Posted by: but who's counting at March 05, 2010 12:50 PM (ucq49)

It's getting where you need to buy a program to keep the crazies straight.

Jack, uncool.

Pixy--clean up on 296, please.

292  Be nice!  Actually, they would be remanded to the ASPCA most likely; with the current economy and that concentration of animals in a small space under questionable circumstances (primary caretaker is unable to fully provide for them and they are left with the abusive party for most of the day) probably a number of them would be put down, but some could potentially find homes, and if Pyrocles here wants to keep some of them he would probably be allowed to.  A lot better for the poor damn cats than shooting them all.

Just remember: people who do this to animals will often do it to their children.

I'll shut up now -- getting preachy, my bad, sorry.

Those of you not yet asleep might not have know this - I didn't:

Obama's second cousin is a conservative blogger and MD.

http://tinyurl.com/ykbqapx

via Carl in Jerusalem

Pyrocles -- I'd also leave you with this warning: based on when I was doing this sort of thing, you are courting a neglect charge and possible fines with those cats.  If I was still an investigator I probably would tell you, you had 30 days to clean your house up and rehome at least 32 of those cats...noncompliance would warrant a neglect charge.  Under the circumstances YOU don't need that on top of everything else -- don't let your wife's craziness take you down.  She obviously needs help, but if a person is unwilling to try to help themselves it will not happen.

We've already had someone on our street call the SPCA on us. An SPCA agent came into our house to look at the cats, and unfortunately said everything looks fine. The cats are very happy and healthy. They actually are in great shape; they eat better than we do

I bust my ass to take care of them and the the house, but it's not easy. If I ever got hurt and couldn't do it all, then we'd be screwed.

I really would like to leave her... I can only imagine what it'd be like to be free as my entire life is such a burden right now. Damn I need to get some balls and just do it...

Only 12 days until St. Patrick's Day!! Best day of the year!!

Hell yeah!

Posted by: Flavius Julius at March 05, 2010 12:57 PM (IrdrP)

Damn skippy.  But it's not the outcomes that matter, it's the good intentions.

I really would like to leave her... I can only imagine what it'd be like to be free as my entire life is such a burden right now. Damn I need to get some balls and just do it...

Posted by: Pyrocles at March 05, 2010 01:01 PM (xzSvW)

Dude, you're killing me.  You don't have to get the balls to leave your wife.  You just have to get the balls to do SOMETHING.  Leaving your wife is the absolute last step.  You just have to take the first step.  No balls required.  Pick out a mental health professional and tell them the situation.  That's not very ballsy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 05, 2010 01:04 PM (mR7mk)

Thin egg shells.  Versus more than 100 million Africans dead.  Who're the racists, again?

Posted by: unknown jane at March 05, 2010 01:07 PM (5/yRG)

Yeah, this would prevent me.  On the other hand, 8-10 years ago, my mother's cat got Kitty AIDS.  Cremation was $80.  I smell a rat.

308  You cleaned up the house and didn't level with the SPCA person confidentially did you?

And why, why are your cats eating better than you?  Dude, I feel for you, but you are enabling.  This does nobody any good.

Damn I need to get some balls and just do it...

Py, you just solved your own problem. It's unfortunate, but it must be done for your sanity.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at March 05, 2010 01:08 PM (9xR02)

The value of human life is determined by supply and demand?  Might you have a newsletter to which I could subscribe?

My lefty layabout wife...

I wonder if there are support groups for married-to-moonbat sufferers?

I also wonder if perhaps I am not in one right at this moment and don't realize it?

In a very meaningful way aren't these the same theory?

Too many people = to much heat-making gas seems to me a subset of Too many people.

I don't see how AGW could be true without making the Population Bomb theory at least partially true as well.

I wonder if there are support groups for married-to-moonbat sufferers?

I also wonder if perhaps I am not in one right at this moment and don't realize it?

Posted by: sherlock at March 05, 2010 01:14 PM (xqzGc)

Chuckle.

Because they were captive birds and they could feed them whatever they wanted.  They were feeding them fish fillets, which are low in calcium. 

330 Actually, it's the Humane Society that you have to watch out for; the ASPCA is still holding out as far as the animal rights' crap.  That's the reason they don't get as much funding and are losing influence.  From my experience the SPCA folks usually try to work with people and save animals...HSUS is inflitrated with PETA and they are far more likely to run people into court, confiscate animals, and ultimately euthanize them without really trying to adopt them out.  They're bastiges.

And now you've got me working up to a big old long post on what's wrong with the pet situation today...don't say I didn't warn you!

Posted by: The Chicken at March 05, 2010 01:18 PM (QasGI)

Yeah.  When life was scarce, life was cheap.  And when it was scarcer, it was cheaper.  And now that it's plentiful, it's very dear.

And population growth is not a problem anymore.  The population is projected to start declining in this century.  I wonder why hidebound conservatives know this and forward-thinking lefties don't.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 05, 2010 01:20 PM (5/yRG)

Thats OK, jane. I assumed that ASPCA had been infiltrated like HSUS. Maybe I assumed incorrectly.

When I was a kid we used to chase the DDT fogger truck on our bikes.We thought riding around in the fog was cool.

Remember 'The Godfather"? I was watching it years ago with my sister. In the scene where he has the heart attack? He's spraying the plants. My sister turned to me and said "Hey, remember when we used to do that. Back in Upstate NY"?

I went "Yeah, why do you ask"?

She went "It was DDT."

Can't say as I've had any long lasting reactions from doing that, considering I was about 6hrs old at the time.

They're commonly known as divorce lawyers.

Whatever happened to that cult de-programming shit?  That would come in handy for me, because other than being a moonbat, my old lady is actually kind of okay.  But moonbattery doth pervade all aspects of married life, and I do mean ALL, IYKWIMAITYD.

Well, taylork, congrats. I think you should change your nic to "taylork the illustrator" so that people will ask what you illustrate.

Done.

Dude! You should look into getting in on some of that sweet, sweet NEA funding.

Posted by: sherlock at March 05, 2010 01:26 PM (xqzGc)

All sex is rape?

Posted by: sherlock at March 05, 2010 01:26 PM (xqzGc)

All sex is rape?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 01:28 PM (1fanL)

Yes, all sex is rape.  But not all sex is rape-rape!

We need a Pyrocles thread.

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like I said...

Dualing Whoopis!! End times, me thinks.

A world in which human life is precious is a world in which human life is scarce.

 A world in which human life is precious is a world in which human life is not aborted 80 times a min.

Posted by: Whoopi Fn' Goldberg at March 05, 2010 01:32 PM (Vu6sl)

346 well, that's starting, sadly -- but ASPCA held out the longest

pisses me off no end

Pyrocles, got my fingers crossed for you. buddy.

My wife also has a long list of genuine medical problems, and we've got cats. The good news is that my wife is a good dedicated loving conservative. Pregnancy would probably kill her though.

Pyrocles @ 308 -- don't just balls it out and leave. That is a mistake and you will get screwed. Have a plan.

That, I agree with. Sort of. If you do plan to get a divorce, my thinking is that you (having finally decided) and your divorce attorney should be aware of this at least a few months before your wife is.

In legal terms, screw her on everything you can. Cheat her anyway you can.

If you do not wish to be immoral, don't. You can GIVE her however much cash you please out of the goodness of your heart and the burden of fair dealing. You can uncheat her later, but you can't uncheat yourself.

It's like cutting your hair - you can always cut more off and go shorter. You can't really glue it back on.

Step 1 is to put yourself in a position where you get by law (or by successful cheating of law) as much as you possibly can get, deserved or not.

Step 2, satisfying moral obligations and deciding who deserves what, is very easy once you have everything free and clear. If she deserves half your house and it's the 'right thing', then give her half your house after the court has given you all of it. Do not give her a blank check court judgement about the house that might hand her the whole thing and naively expect a court of law to deliver justice.

Seek counseling to save a marriage, by all means, I support that and generally oppose divorce. But if it comes to divorce, or just in case it does come to divorce, don't use ultimatums about divorce. Don't let on your leaving until after you've burried the krugerands.

You can always dig them up afterward and give her half if you feel guilty. It's much harder to break in and steal half if you feel like a victimized shmuck.

367 If you turn Whoopie Goldberg upside down, can you really tell the difference?

Yeah, that end isn't quite as butt ugly, so to speak.

I'm thinking that if Obortion gets rammed through by the Dems, we are going see a population bomb all right.  But not the kind Erlich imagined: the kind that carries pitchforks and torches.

BTW moonbats, "pitchforks" is sanctioned violent imagery, because Teh Won used it first, remember?

Posted by: Jean at March 05, 2010 01:39 PM (/8Gs3)

A bumped thread does not equal a new thread!

Explain the generally higher levels of social barbarism when population levels were much smaller a few thousand years ago.

That depends very much on which societies you compare. I can point to lots of densely populated places, even in America, that can be pretty barbaric, and lots of historic places that weren't so much.

I made this argument on David Thompson's blog "Culture, Ideas, and Comic Books" in a comment to a 25-Oct.-2009 post "Culling for Gaia", and addressed most of the objections you'all raise in this thread, so I won't impose on Ace for the space. The one objection for which I do not have a good, simple  answer is The Chicken's, in #339.  My thoughts on that look ad hoc and incomplete to me, so I'll have to think on it.      

Please do read Garett Hardin's essay "The Tragedy of the Commons". It's on the web.

Posted by: taylork at March 05, 2010 01:42 PM (0Hn5w)

No, that won't be necessary.

Why is social barbarism tied to population density?

It's not.

Someone's drawing a half-assed correlation. The past was generally more barbarous, and generally less populous. QED.

Except, notsomuch.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2010 12:34 PM (1fanL)

Indoctrination is forcing people to accept something. Nobody made you watch the commercial. You could have gone and gotten a bowl of Life like Mikey said instead. The commercial would have been over by the time you got back. 

And yeah I'm a Conservative. If running a few commercials,  inconveniencing the various Joe Sensitives out there who can't seem to watch a commercial without it causing life long trauma, can save having to create a town, state or federal bureaucracy, with the taxes and laws that go with it, to deal with the problem then yeah I'm for it. And I would call that Conservative.

I hope I am not judged  by the company I keep. You are around here too.

Don't know if anyone's posted these yet - from wikipedia.  One says a lot about Dr. Borlaug, the other is just funny:

“In 1968, Borlaug received what he considered an especially satisfying tribute when the people of Ciudad Obregón, where some of his earliest experiments were undertaken, named a street after him.”

“Borlaug was also featured in an episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, where he was referred to as the "Greatest Human Being That Ever Lived". In that episode, Penn & Teller play a card game where each card depicts a great person in history. Each player picks a few cards at random, and bets on whether one thinks one's card shows a greater person than the other players' cards based on a characterization such as humanitarianism or scientific achievement. Penn gets Norman Borlaug, and proceeds to bet all his chips, his house, his rings, his watch, and essentially everything he's ever owned. He wins because, as he says, "Norman is the greatest human being, and you've probably never heard of him." In the episode Â— the topic of which was genetically altered food Â— <i><b>he is credited with saving the lives of over a billion people.</i></b>” (Emphasis added.)

The latter, by the way, is why Leftist hate him.  They reserve admiration for someone who kills millions of people.