1 And here I thought it was stray fusion cannon fire.

2

Anyone have a transcript?

3 Make it simple..

The lied about her. 

4 Ace did you try that Modem address that I gave you the other day to check your signal?

5 Damn I had a really good post as you can see by the sock puppet.

6 Post retracted? Is that like loss of good wood?

7 6 Post retracted? Is that like loss of good wood?

Would Nancy Pelosi porn have the same effect?

8 This is about the BOLD jokes, isn't it?

9 Speaking of the media, Rachel Madcow says that Republican congresscritters knew in advance about the Oklahoma City bombing and, apparently, did nothing to stop it.  From HA headlines.

10 I just watched the video. Coons quoted the clause as saying "government shall make no establishment of religion"... which ain't even what the clause says.

11 Would Nancy Pelosi porn have the same effect?

Posted by: Dave C at October 20, 2010 12:59 PM (6W34m)

That would be like watching rodents copulate.

12
Christine was just on with Laura Ingraham and they laughed it off.

There is no way Laura Ingraham would side with Christine if she thought Christine was a dummy -- especially on the content of the Constitution. Laura is on the team, but she's also intellectually honest and she takes the Constitution seriously and Laura does not suffer fools gladly.

13 Whether she said "that" or specifically the phrase is irrelevant, she's right, and "that" implies the phrase "separation of church and state." Stop piling on friends against our enemies, okay?

14 Great.  The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.

Say what?  (Up on Fox now.)

15 I guess Ace just proved Omar Khayyam was wrong when he wrote:

The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor all your tears wash out a Word of it.

16 I an sure the only interest a bearded Marxist would have in the Constitution is how to circumvent/eliminate it.

17 No problem Ace, Ramesh Ponnuru has listened to it three times and still isn't sure if it is what people have made of it.

18 O/T: Fucks News is reporting that the NAACP has issued a report calling the Tea Party movement "racist" and linking it to hate groups.

Big surprise, right?

But it makes me so friggin' angry that I worry about my blood pressure....

Osama Obama is getting his revenge on The Man.

19
Transcript from the video:

--------------------
O'Donnell: Let me just clarify... you're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?

Coons: Government shall make no establishment of religion...

O'Donnell: That's... in the First Amendment......(?)
--------------------

20 12 Would Nancy Pelosi porn have the same effect?

Posted by: Dave C at October 20, 2010 12:59 PM (6W34m)

That would be like watching rodents copulate.

Actually, rodents would be sexier.

21

15 Great.  The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.

That doesn't mean shit. They've been saying that all along. Nobody listens.

22
Mega Godzilla, do you have moar transcript?

23 I just watched the video. Coons quoted the clause as saying "government shall make no establishment of religion"... which ain't even what the clause says.

And ODonnell's question to him had to do with 'separation of church and state' being in the 1st amendment, which is not.

Too bad she didn't bring up where and when that phrase made it's appearance via the courts 'interpretation' 'sudden discovery'. 1947, Blackman, anti-semite, loather of the Catholic Church, klansman.

24 We have always been at war with East Asia

25 Great.  The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.

That doesn't mean shit. They've been saying that all along. Nobody listens.

Posted by: maddogg at October 20, 2010 01:04 PM (OlN4e)

The NAACP is the most racist org in the US besides the CBC. So everything they see is racist.

26
is that the same NAACP people who claimed a Hallmark card was racist?

27 Christine was just on with Laura Ingraham and they laughed it off.

There is no way Laura Ingraham would side with Christine if she thought Christine was a dummy -- especially on the content of the Constitution. Laura is on the team, but she's also intellectually honest and she takes the Constitution seriously and Laura does not suffer fools gladly.

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at October 20, 2010 01:01 PM (gM4zK)

Not unless COD put the ol' voo-doo on Laura.

28 How in the hell does the WP undo what they undid?  They screwed this thing up, not you Ace.  They posted the story, they posted the story with corrections without saying they were corrections, now its looking like they ar e trying to say the corrected version is not really corrected because they quoted from a different part of the exchange but it's still different. The explanation, even if true, is worse because its an apparent attempt at deception about what may or may not be a lie, but you have to give them a little bit of trust so they can get that deception in.  They have no credibility, ergo, they get no benefit of the doubt.    

29

29
is that the same NAACP people who claimed a Hallmark card was racist?

Don't forget the racist Astrophysics term "black hole".

30 Nobody listens. Posted by: maddogg at October 20, 2010 01:04 PM (OlN4e) Fiorina, running much further to the right than Schwarzenneger or Huffington, is gobbling up 24% of the black vote, 34% of the hispanic vote, and 50% of the asian vote- and fighting boxer for another 20% of the minority vote still undecided here in California. If their minority voter blocs crack, they can't be saved, even in the Peoples Republic of California. but apparently NAACP ignores the movements of its own kind.

31 We heard it live and our collective Gasp Heard 'Round the World is all the world will remember.

32 20 The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.


Shocked, shocked, etc.

Posted by: your winnings, sir at October 20, 2010 01:03 PM (S5YRY) 

Why should an organization the coordinates sports between colleges care about the Tea Party?

33

"Not unless COD put the ol' voo-doo on Laura."

Yeah, why doesn't she wield her magic? At this point Coons should have hooves. When does it start raining blood?

34

Not unless COD put the ol' voo-doo on Laura.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 20, 2010 01:07 PM (z1N6a)

She must have used it on my whanger. It follows her like the Eye of Sauron.

35 30 Christine was just on with Laura Ingraham and they laughed it off.

There is no way Laura Ingraham would side with Christine if she thought Christine was a dummy -- especially on the content of the Constitution. Laura is on the team, but she's also intellectually honest and she takes the Constitution seriously and Laura does not suffer fools gladly.

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at October 20, 2010 01:01 PM (gM4zK)

Not unless COD put the ol' voo-doo on Laura.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 20, 2010 01:07 PM (z1N6a)

Or they belong to the same Coven.

36 If their minority voter blocs crack, they can't be saved, even in the Peoples Republic of California.

but apparently NAACP ignores the movements of its own kind.

Posted by: CAC at October 20, 2010 01:08 PM (lV4Fs)

Look, if you give us a minute, we will get them back in line!

37 A friend of mine just Tumbled Maureen Dowd's column. Talk about pushing the message, and ignoring that CoD's opponent can't list the rest of the rights in the first amendment. No, that does not fit with the MFM dialogue: "But now another famous beauty with glowing skin and a powerful current, Sarah Palin, has made ignorance fashionable. You struggle to name Supreme Court cases, newspapers you read and even founding fathers you admire? No problem. You endorse a candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate seat who is the nominee in West Virginia? Oh, well. At least youÕre not one of those ÒspinelessÓ elites with an Ivy League education, like President Obama, who canÕt feel anything. ItÕs news to Christine OÕDonnell that the Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. ItÕs news to Joe Miller, whose guards handcuffed a journalist, and to Carl Paladino, who threatened The New York PostÕs Fred Dicker, that the First Amendment exists, even in Tea Party Land. Michele Bachmann calls Smoot-Hawley Hoot-Smalley. Sharron Angle sank to new lows of obliviousness when she told a classroom of Hispanic kids in Las Vegas: ÒSome of you look a little more Asian to me.Ó As Palin tweeted in July about her own special language adding examples from W. and Obama: Ò ÔRefudiate,Õ Ômisunderestimate,Õ Ôwee-weeÕd up.Õ English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!Ó On Saturday, at a G.O.P. rally in Anaheim, Calif., Palin mockingly noted that you wonÕt find her invoking Mao or Saul Alinsky. She says she believes in American exceptionalism. But when it comes to the people running the country, exceptionalism is suspect; leaders should be Ñ as Palin, OÕDonnell and Angle keep saying Ñ just like you. In MarilynÕs America, there were aspirations. The studios tackled literary novels rather than one-liners like ÒHeÕs Just Not That Into YouÓ and navel-gazing drivel like ÒEat Pray Love.Ó Walt DisneyÕs ÒFantasiaÓ paired cartoon characters with famous composers. Even Bugs Bunny did Wagner. But in SarahÕs America, weÕve refudiated all that." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/opinion/20dowd.html?_r=1&hp

38
Christine also said today that Coons just called her a "Washington insider."

This was in response to Meghan McBigmouth's saying Christine had no business running for Senate because she had no experience.

So Christine said, "Which is it, am I Washington insider or do I have no experience?"

39

Ace. Your previous post was spot on. 

Check this article out on Slate published today on the whole matter.  Slate is a WaPo owned site and is as liberally entrenched as it gets with Michael Kinsely at the helm.

Slate essentially supports your entire thesis on the issue that was in your previous post. 

40 living while white= racist.

41 So Christine said, "Which is it, am I Washington insider or do I have no experience?"

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at October 20, 2010 01:10 PM (gM4zK)

Whatever works, I imagine.

Of course, she's 300 points down so its all totally academic.

42 If their minority voter blocs crack, they can't be saved, even in the Peoples Republic of California. but apparently NAACP ignores the movements of its own kind. Posted by: CAC at October 20, 2010 01:08 PM (lV4Fs) I think they are very well aware of the movement of it's own kind and that movement scares the living sh*t out of them. After all, if minorities (and blacks in particular) emerge from the victim mentality then who needs the bunch of race-baiting con artists that are the NAACP. Every time I listen to anybody from the NAACP speak all I hear is Gov. William H. LePetamane yelling "Gentlemen! We've got to protect our phoney-baloney jobs!"

43 Mega Godzilla, do you have moar transcript?

It starts with

O'Donnell: Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?

{crowd gasps and laughs}

Coons: It's in the First Amendment... no an excellent ques...

{interrupted by moderator to silence the laughing crowd}

Then later...

Coons: The First Amendment establishes the separation, the fact that the federal government shall not establish a religion, and decisional law by the Supreme Court over many many decades...

O'Donnell: The First Amendment does?

Coons: ...clarifies and enshrines that there is a separation of church and state that our courts and our laws must respect...

O'Donnell: So you're telling me that the separation of church and state... the phrase "the separation of church and state" is in the First Amendment?

Then it jumps to the part I already transcribed.

44

Retracted? Fine. Doesn't change the fact that the media is blowing this up for a reason, one that supports the Democrat-in-Chief's efforts.

Obama's Del. trip is chance to keep O'Donnell on radar

http://wapo.st/9FldHv

Also, this whole thing began by debating creationism in public schools.

Ugh. The Tea Party movement is attracting millions by staying away from that bullshit.

45 49

Retracted? Fine. Doesn't change the fact that the media is blowing this up for a reason, one that supports the Democrat-in-Chief's efforts.

Obama's Del. trip is chance to keep O'Donnell on radar

http://wapo.st/9FldHv

Also, this whole thing began by debating creationism in public schools.

Ugh. The Tea Party movement is attracting millions by staying away from that bullshit.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2010 01:13 PM (9KqcB)

I think it was Intelligent Design, which is in the First Admendment

46 I can't speak for all, but I find these developments fappable.

fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap

47

Why should an organization the coordinates sports between colleges care about the Tea Party?

Posted by: Liberal 1 at October 20, 2010 01:09 PM (LdYLm)

Duh - "Racist" - someone who likes races. Like the 100 meter dash.

48 Rush is on this live.

49 Post retracted?

He was not afraid at all to be killed in nasty ways.  Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin. He was no the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp, or to have his eyes gouged out - and his elbows broken. His signal lost and his tags left open, and his bottom burnt and his trolls left roaming...

50

I think it was Intelligent Design, which is in the First Admendment

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 20, 2010 01:14 PM (LdYLm)

The IPAD is in the Constitution!?!!

51 The post about nothing?

52 55

I think it was Intelligent Design, which is in the First Admendment

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at October 20, 2010 01:14 PM (LdYLm)

The IPAD is in the Constitution!?!!

Posted by: Oldcat at October 20, 2010 01:17 PM (z1N6a)

Nah, Declaration on Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, IPAD and the pursuit of Jessica Alba."

53 "GOP'ers Acknowledge Problem in Pennsylvania"

http://tinyurl.com/36oda9o

54 "The press is the enemy." - Richard Nixon

55 56 The post about nothing?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 20, 2010 01:17 PM (UOM4

Yeah, we must be morons.

56 22
Transcript from the video:

--------------------
O'Donnell: Let me just clarify... you're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?

Coons: Government shall make no establishment of religion...

O'Donnell: That's... in the First Amendment......(?)
--------------------

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 20, 2010 01:04 PM (X2rdt)

It all depends on what "that" refers to.  The interuption in the transcript makes it appear that COD is responding to Coons statement (which in itself is inaccurate as far as what the First Amendment actually says) when she could be refering back to her own question.  Either way she's correct. Niether the preposition she poses in her question nor that posed by coons in his statement are in the First Amendment.  

 

57 Well,  do I detect the fetid odor or rotting coackroach shit, or is Greg about?

58
Thanks, Mecha Independent.

The transcripts supports Ace's original post.

59 Great.  The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.

Say what?  (Up on Fox now.)

Hallmark is almost as racist. Almost.

60 It doesn't matter now, Ace.  The story is that the WaPo changed the story.  Down the memory hole.

61 59 "GOP'ers Acknowledge Problem in Pennsylvania"

http://tinyurl.com/36oda9o

Posted by: Greg at October 20, 2010 01:19 PM (huyI

"A Democratic campaign operative shared internal poll results that showed Toomey with a lead of just two points. A similar poll had shown Sestak trailing by 10 points a month ago." Yea, an internal Dem operative doesn't have a horse in the race.

62 The post about nothing? It's brilliant!

63 That angry pic of Barky on the sidebar will never get old.

64 She asked him four times where the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution. This was no flub. It's just more liberal bullshit. Wrong, but accurate.

65 I thought it was clever what I did with "what the meaning of is" but I bow to you.

66

The NAACP is the most racist org in the US besides the CBC. So everything they see is racist.

Posted by: Vic at October 20, 2010 01:06 PM (/jbAw)

Hola compadre... don't forget about us now...

67

Levin had it all last night.

 

To answer, she says both things. 

 

But she is repeating herself over Coons talking, and Coons got the establishment clause (misquoted) in while she was trying to talk over him, so she says "you are saying that is in the First Amendment" (I put quotes around it but am speaking from memory) after he said that,  but clealy she is repeating what she had said earlier to the separation of church and state, not responding to the establishment clause.   Even so, Coons had what the First Amendment says wrong, anyway. 

68 A Democratic campaign operative shared internal poll results that showed Toomey with a lead of just two points

I think "internal" means "from the bowels".

69 .......and we wait because we can't make up our mind with out ace telling us what our mind has made up?  THE PRESS LIED....BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!! even when they don't lie they are lying....they are the press and cannot be trusted!

70 Anyone see NCIS last night? Too bad that the homegrown terrorists used the Ben Franklin snake picture as their icon.  Tea Party anyone?

71 I've issued an executive order to clarify our founding documents for the benefit of ill-educated Americans, so Coons was correct in his understanding of The Declaration of Dependence.

72 Great.  The NAACP is claiming the Tea Party is full of racists.

Say what?  (Up on Fox now.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 20, 2010 01:02 PM (UOM4

Was it Louis Farrakkan doing the speaking for them?

73 Jesus Christ in Heaven, as me ma used to say every day

Yes, the liars at the WAPO lied.  Wrap your arms around that; embrace it / them.  Learn it; live it; love it

Let me simplify it for you:  WAPO is entirely composed of dishonest partisan scum.  They lie routinely; they lied in this matter; they will lie again tomorrow.....

Meanwhile, you keep picking at COD like a deranged WAPO wannabe. 

give it a rest, Spades.  Give her a break.  She'll lose, and it will all go away.  RINOs everywhere will sigh and be smug, and take solace. 

front's comin' -- and if you are not The Wave you will drown..... 

74

It all depends on what "that" refers to. 

And we're going through all of this parsing and picking and defending because she just had to defend the notion of teaching creationism in public schools? Was that how this brouhaha started?

75

Anyone see NCIS last night? Too bad that the homegrown terrorists used the Ben Franklin snake picture as their icon.  Tea Party anyone?

Yup, turned it off right there and it will never be on again in my house...what a load of crap.

76

Anyone see NCIS last night? Too bad that the homegrown terrorists used the Ben Franklin snake picture as their icon.  Tea Party anyone?

And NCIS LA were tracking down a white supremacist terror cell.  Almost like they planned it.

77 Blaster is basically right. At the end of the video the Post had up, it does sound like she is asking if the establishment clause is in the 1st Amendment even though her question is regarding whether the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the 1st Amendment.

78 THIS POST INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK

79 Oh, and La Raza has joined the NAACP in their "expose" of the racist, white supremest tea parties.

We're living in bizarro world.

80 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

'separate' ?? We don' got to show you no 'separate'...........

81

Oh noes, we are doomed! Shut down the Tea Party!

Greg is now referencing Democrat campaign operatives' opinions in order to suppress the millions, nay, billions of GOP votes here in moron-land. 

The wave is over.

82 Where are the cob loggers? 

83

48 Mega Independent,

That's what I heard at 6:34 of the exchange, she used the term "phrase separation of church and state"...The exchange at 7:30 is a continuation of that since she was talking over Coons at 6:34 but I think had she repeated exactly what she said at 6:34, it would have been much less clumsy.  It appears to me she knew exactly what the 1st amendment is about and that she simply didn't properly repeat herself.

84 And NCIS LA were tracking down a white supremacist terror cell.  Almost like they planned it.

I DVRed it.  Now I guess I'll just erase it.  The sad thing is that these shows are loved because of the military, patriotic aspect of them.  Who watches these shows? Tea Partiers.

My almost-equal -half used to believe that there was no bias in TV shows/movies.  Last night, after watching just the beginning of NCIS, he said 'tea party'.  He gets so sick of telling me I was right

85

#79

You are correct , Sir.

86 Breaking News: Section of Times Square closed as police investigate unattended minivan - WNBC

87 The only thing I know is that the first amendment allows pron, so "reading" pron is as good as being a constitutional scholar.

88 Oh great.  Another suspicious vehicle in Times Square.  Man seen running away from SUV.  On Fox.

89 The bearded Marxist Coons who has a law degree from Yale got served on Constitutional Law by an amateur witch.

90 .....and Truman beats me to it.

91 I just scanned the alleged "report" the NAACP is pimping.

_{Okay, so Ben Jealous would call my use of "pimping" RACIST. Fuck him.}

Lots of assertions, lots of accusations, virtually free of facts. One sign at a Tea Party event is used as "proof" of racism. Lots of charts showing how the eeeeeevil Tea Party movement is growing. One of the report's major claims seems to be that Tea Partiers are racist because they oppose the wonderful progressive policies of Osama Obama.

In short -- and I'm not wasting my time by checking this shit line-by-line, since I need to be looking for a job -- it's the kind of hatchet-job the lefties revel in, with little (if anything) in the way of truth, but lots of whining about how blacks are oppressed.

This is a balloon: a thin skin wrapped around stale air. I'd like to believe the majority of people will have enough sense to see it for what it is and burst it.

But they won't.

92 96 The bearded Marxist Coons who has a law degree from Yale got served on Constitutional Law by an amateur witch.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 20, 2010 01:35 PM (9cflz)

Stagecraft.

93 I DVRed it.  Now I guess I'll just erase it.  The sad thing is that these shows are loved because of the military, patriotic aspect of them.  Who watches these shows? Tea Partiers.

Actually, you should watch it, since the special guuest star is a FUCKING INCREDIBLY HOT woman

94

Anyone see NCIS last night? Too bad that the homegrown terrorists used the Ben Franklin snake picture as their icon.  Tea Party anyone?

And NCIS LA were tracking down a white supremacist terror cell.  Almost like they planned it.

Posted by: AoSHQ's Truman North at October 20, 2010 01:29 PM (G5JPI)

Fuck CBS; fuck the writers of those shows; may they burn  in Hell, etc

Domestic terrorists ( code for White people / Tea Party people ) are criminals while Actual Muslim Terrorists shall never be spoken of

meanwhile, moon-faced Hassan at Fort Hood murdered a pregnant infidel for the glory of Allah............

95

"A Democratic campaign operative shared internal poll results that showed Toomey with a lead of just two points. A similar poll had shown Sestak trailing by 10 points a month ago." Yea, an internal Dem operative doesn't have a horse in the race.

I'm in PA and an active GOTV guy....and we're getting a little concerned:

Poll shows Corbett lead shrinking in Pennsylvania governor's race

A new poll shows Pennsylvania Democratic gubernatorial candidate Dan Onorato closing the gap between him and front-runner Tom Corbett.

 

The Muhlenberg College poll released today shows Republican Corbett holding a slight lead that has shrunken since two earlier surveys taken by the same pollster since mid-September.

In the latest poll, Corbett is backed by 47 percent of likely voters, Onorato is favored by 40 percent and 14 percent are undecided. The totals include voters who said they are leaning toward one candidate, but havenÂ’t totally made up their minds.

 

The telephone survey of 403 voters who said theyÂ’re likely to vote was conducted during the four days ending Tuesday. The sampling error margin is plus or minus 5 percentage points.

 

 

96 D'oh told me this morning he had a conversation with a lib the other day who absolutely doesn't believe San Fran Nan ever said "We have to pass it so you can see what's in it" in regard to the hell care bill. 

97 Stephen Colbert is running for Governor?

98 give it a rest, Spades.  Give her a break.  She'll lose, and it will all go away.  RINOs everywhere will sigh and be smug, and take solace. 

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Aqua Buddha at October 20, 2010 01:27 PM (dS2wQ)

You might have missed the part in which Ace noted that COD is being used by the media and Dems (BIRM) to raise question about our whole field of candidates. So, it's not really about her losing and going away, but how much damage she will do before she loses.

99

Here's the problem for O'Donnell:

It may be true that 'separtation of church and state' is not in the Constitution, and it is in fact not but...

.... it's not worth debating that. People *like* the concept.

What she means to say is that the 1st Amendment was never intended and does not itself prohibit free exercise of religion; but it DOES prohibit teh state restricting religious speech.

So just because the state does not have an official religion, that does not mean it has the right to keep people from speaking freely about religion, practicing religion, praying or ercting religious displays (one way of speaking freely about religion) on public property, grounds, facilities or schools.

Personally, to me, though she is technically right, the way she communicated it, was not good politics, not good electorally and a mistake.

100

HEre is how AOLNews has it:

Later in the proceedings, after fielding questions on the candidates' views on repealing the 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments, Coons returned the conversation to the question of the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.

"I absolutely oppose the widespread proposals by tea party candidates for us to repeal the 14th, 16th or 17th amendments." Coons said. "I also think you just heard, in the answers from my opponent, and in her attempt at saying 'where is the separation of church and state in the constitution' reveals her fundamental misunderstanding of what our Constitution is, how it is amended and how it evolved. The First Amendment establishes the separation, the fact that the federal government shall not establish any religion, and decisional law by the Supreme Court over many, many decades --"

O' Donnell then interrupted. "The First Amendment does?" she asked, skeptically.

Coons continued his explanation, and O'Donnell interrupted again. "So you're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?"

Coons went on to cite cases the Supreme Court had decided that backed up the position of a wall between church and state.

"Let me just clarify," O'Donnell pressed. "You're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?"

"The government shall make no establishment of religion," Coons said, summarizing the gist of the specific words in the First Amendment's establishment clause.

"That's in the First Amendment?" O'Donnell asked again, eliciting further laughter from the room

Again if you watch the video or listen to the audio, she is NOT responding his misquote, which is charitably cast as "summarizing the gist" but she actually has the words partly out of her mouth, she is interrupted, and repeats talking over Coons while he says what he says. 

Yeah, they are liars.   And everybody on the OMG can you believe what a ditz she is train is in league with them. 

101

Feel like being even more pissed?

http://tinyurl.com/2cmfaj9

 

102 So, it's not really about her losing and going away, but how much damage she will do before she loses.

And without her, the media would be unable to find a target to lie about and "do damage" with? Really?

103 She is drawing all their fire. Maybe someone else will get through.

104 OT but I can't help it....

New England's Most Independent Congressman Jim Himes is calling in a last minute Hail Mary visit  from, you guessed it, Barack Obama. This isn't about fund raising as there is no money in Bridgeport. You go to Stamford for that. Obama is coming on Oct. 30th to rally the base, ie. Blacks, in Bridgeport and get them out and voting for Himes. Without large margins in Connecticut's largest city the Democrat is a sure loser as they always lose the rest of the District. It won't help.

Hime is running against Dan Debicella, a great guy, really. This district has been listed as a Safe Dem forever and moved to Likely Dem. It's BS. Himes is going to lose.

How bad is it this year for Dems? Where will their firewall be? Inner cities, that's it. The only truly safe place for a Dem this year is the inner city. Everything outside the border of a  city is in play.

TSUNAMI!!!

105 Ok, so what the hell is going on.  This post is above the C'OD one.  Which is still there, with a note saying Ace stands buy it.  Then there's this post where he says he's reserving judgement.  WTF kind of a parallel universe am I in?  Ace - start posting timestamps for shit like this.  The article timestamp doesn't update w/ updates apparently, and it's confusing as all hell.

106 80

It all depends on what "that" refers to. 

And we're going through all of this parsing and picking and defending because she just had to defend the notion of teaching creationism in public schools? Was that how this brouhaha started?

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2010 01:27 PM (9KqcB)

Not what "that' means, what it is refering to.  This why Ace wants to see the tapes, because the liers at the WaPo are doing the parsing to discredit COD.  I believe Ace wants to figure out what and how exactly the WaPo is lieing about before he renders his final verdict that these people are scum now and forever. 

By the way, what is wrong about a local school distrct deciding what their schools teach?  Or is that too far away from the totalitarian project that's being set up by twisting the Constitution into always saying the opposite of what is written?  Concern about maintaining centralized control by the ruling class through the federal apparatus is very important.  The scandal isn't creationism in the public education system, it's the ignorance promugated through the indoctrination by the collectivists of the ruling class.  Thanks for your concern.

107 Shoot, it's from Likely to Leans Dem. It is now listed as a Tossup.

108

I just finished perusing the MFM headlines one the search sites.  Looks like the MFM is one giant dem ad generator.

I seriously did not see one single headline that wasn't either a lefty buildup or a righty tear down.

Going beyond the fact that this is pure bullshit.  It's fucking dangerous.

109 Hey, so does anybody else here think that rent is too high?

110

Since this sounds like a COD/Open Thread:

Did you ever hear this reported anywhere -- even conservative sites?

111 In the end, Deleware deserves Coons.  A shithead for shitheads.  Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?

112 which is charitably cast as "summarizing the gist"

Here's a "special to CNN" blogger's report:

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Coons, who seemed surprised by the question, responded by quoting chapter and verse:  “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” To which OÂ’Donnell, channeling Homer Simpson, asked, “ThatÂ’s in the First Amendment?”
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But no, the libs are not a bunch of desperate filthy scumbag liars.

113 Precedent Ogabe is jetting to Connecticut to bolster the bearded Marxist.

114 I seriously did not see one single headline that wasn't either a lefty buildup or a righty tear down.

Going beyond the fact that this is pure bullshit.  It's fucking dangerous.

Hear, hear.

115

Hey, everyone, ever think that it may take Ace a minute or two to write a 500 word analysis?

Just enjoy the interlude and know ya'll be in the company of genius.  

116

Here's the problem for O'Donnell:

It may be true that 'separtation of church and state' is not in the Constitution, and it is in fact not but...

.... it's not worth debating that. People *like* the concept.

Posted by: Sobieski at October 20, 2010 01:40 PM (4EVyh)

I don't really agree this is a problem. She didn't choose to debate this. She's responding to questions and Coons statements at the debate. Does anyone think she would have ever brought this stuff up on her own?

117 In the end, Deleware deserves Coons. A shithead for shitheads. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? I didn't deserve Ted Kennedy. Think of the innocent children!

118 So, it's not really about her losing and going away, but how much damage she will do before she loses.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2010 01:40 PM (9KqcB)

I didn't miss anything, and I realize the damage that COD is doing.  To avoid All That, I would have held my nose and voted for Castle. as I've said here several times

The MFM made COD the poster girl for conservatives, but as someone above noted, they would have easily found someone else:  Bachmann, probably, or someone else.  Angle would have been re-targeted; someone...........

Of all the Repub candidates running, all we get is COD, all day every day.  That enables the MFM to hone in on her.  My point was that we should not join in the high-tech lynching

119
People like free shit, too.

So I guess we should just pander to them and never say dumb shit like, oh I dunno, we can't afford it.

120

Of all the Repub candidates running, all we get is COD, all day every day.  That enables the MFM to hone in on her.  My point was that we should not join in the high-tech lynching

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Aqua Buddha at October 20, 2010 01:54 PM (dS2wQ)

 

Personalize, then attack...

121 My post retracts every time I see the Wookie naked.

122

Ace,

You fucked up.  You trusted us!

123 I don't really agree this is a problem. She didn't choose to debate this. She's responding to questions and Coons statements at the debate. Does anyone think she would have ever brought this stuff up on her own?

It doesn't matter that she didn't bring it up on her own, the fact that she exists to be asked these questions at all is a detriment to the party.

124

On a lighter note:

The McRib is coming back for a limited time. On November 2nd.

Coincidence? I think not. It's the frosting on the cake for us bitter clingers and rednecks.

125 Link to Connecticut debate.

126 105 give it a rest, Spades.  Give her a break.  She'll lose, and it will all go away.  RINOs everywhere will sigh and be smug, and take solace. 

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Aqua Buddha at October 20, 2010 01:27 PM (dS2wQ)

You might have missed the part in which Ace noted that COD is being used by the media and Dems (BIRM) to raise question about our whole field of candidates. So, it's not really about her losing and going away, but how much damage she will do before she loses.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2010 01:40 PM (9KqcB)

She's doing more damage to the standard liberal line that somehow traditional conservative Christians and constitutionalists should never have anything to say against the Progressive lies that we've been fed for the past fifty years.  The Commerce Clause, the Common Welfare clause, the penumbras that have eminated to make the clear language mean the opposite of what it means to be a Free People living in States  that possess their own soverienty, all of this under a Constitution designed to define the limits of federal power, with all other powers belonging to the States and their people.  I think because of this people are taking a closer look at the Constitution. Your concern concerns me.  Who else do we want to throw overboard because the SoC MFM are not in their approval? DeMint? Angle? Boener? Rand Paul? Whitman? Toomey? Rubio?     

 

127
I had a McRib today. Just to let y'all know.

128 Arrrgghh.  Et tu, Fox?  They cite polls showing dems closing races.  But don't mention oversampling of dems.

129 That should have read "...treatment in the media"

130 So, yeah, open thread then?

131 On another subject, check out this beaut of an article from Slate:

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Wasting Syndrome
How much trash do hospitals produce?

[.....]

That's a number that should give the medical industry pause. After all, doctors have a particular reason to worry about climate change, which the World Health Organization has noted "will inevitably affect the basic requirements for maintaining health: clean air and water, sufficient food and adequate shelter." And air pollution from the health care sector's own electricity usage increases cases of asthma, respiratory illnesses, and emergency department visits to the tune of $600 million a year (PDF), according to a discussion draft paper published by the WHO and the organization Health Care Without Harm. To fulfill the Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm," hospitals need to keep the planet healthy along with their patients.
--------------------------

132 Fox is citing BS Polls.

133

Why do we 'let' them make the rules for the game?  Determine who is good-bad, stupid-smart, electable-electable.  We whine, but we'll vote in someone crappy-vapid-useless because 'we don't want someone the media will use against us.'  Often, we join in and just give them all the fuel they need to burn someone.

Holy f@ck!  We put men on the moon, kicked butt in WWII, but we are totally giving up our futures to the media as if it's a leviathan we can't beat.

Damn.  Just damn.

Someone buy me a clue.

134 "longer"

135

137 Arrrgghh.  Et tu, Fox?  They cite polls showing dems closing races.  But don't mention oversampling of dems.

I've been noticing that about them too.  Just about any poll that shows the Republican doing better in the last week is being ignored.  Yet they immediately jump on ANY poll showing the Dem/Socialist closing in or widening a lead, no matter how suspect it is. 

I've noticed that at the news breaks on our normally very conservative local talk-radio station. 

Guess they're all trolling for viewers/listeners for election night by making it appear to be a horse race now. 

136 The Dems will close races. It's getting closer to election day and people are getting off the fence....in the telephone polls. Answering a phone poll is not the same as going out to the Polls though.

137 The Empire Beauty School Poll has the Dems gaining ground.

138 Since this a blank topic, can I post a picture?

139

What the hell, Ace, stop with this already. COD flattened Coons with a punch you're still trying to find on the tape, even while it's clear he was out cold along with the moderator and an entire class of badly taught "law students"?

Does the Post really have you that cowed?

140 142: The answer is do-it-yourself media.  Kinda like, y'know, what we're reading and posting on now.

The dinomedia, aka MFM aka 4th estate 5th column, is having its lunch devoured.  It will go extinct soon enough, barring state intervention (which, if it happens, torches and pitchforks won't come close to sufficing).  And then, there will be only blogging chaos.

Or Kratos killin' stuff and ignoring some fine boobage.  Whichever.  Or both.

141 What do the polls say about this race

142

149 142: The answer is do-it-yourself media.  Kinda like, y'know, what we're reading and posting on now.

The dinomedia, aka MFM aka 4th estate 5th column, is having its lunch devoured.  It will go extinct soon enough, barring state intervention (which, if it happens, torches and pitchforks won't come close to sufficing).  And then, there will be only blogging chaos.

Or Kratos killin' stuff and ignoring some fine boobage.  Whichever.  Or both.

Thank you....

I haven't had lunch yet and I'm feeling a tad cranky.  That helped.

143 Posts Redacted 20%
Duplicate Posts 30%
Too dunk at 2 PM to respond 50%

MoE 100%

144 Ha! Not only is there no wave, there's no wavelength.

145

What is interesting to me is that this IS bringing attention, and discussion, to whether the Government is following the Constitution.

I mean, when was the last time you actualy heard Politicians talking about the Constitution and the Nature of Government itself.

And this is a discussion which needs to be had... before it becomes... Jeffersonian.

146 Or too drunk, either way

147 What difference does it make really?  Nothing you can say will overcome the damage done to Ms. O'Donnell.  If I was ever asked to run for office I would tell everyone to go forth and multiply. 

148 Link to Connecticut debate.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 20, 2010 01:56 PM (9cflz)

Umm...it's Delaware...not Connecticut.

149

Personally, to me, though she is technically right, the way she communicated it, was not good politics, not good electorally and a mistake.

Posted by: Sobieski at October 20, 2010 01:40 PM (4EVyh)

Yeah, she should have turned him into a newt.

So even when she's right, she's wrong because they lied about it. Gotcha.

150 Posted by: toby928™ at October 20, 2010 02:07 PM (S5YRY)

You say arson like it's a bad thing.

151

Ok, the legacy media lied about O'D. The impression that most casual and/or swing voters will get of the exchange will be how stupid, how uniformed O'D is.

The question is, what is she doing about it? She got $2 million in a money bomb not too long ago. Is her staff creating a video right now that judo flips what happened (and shows the bearded marxist being the uniformed idiot),and saturating the local media. Delaware is a tiny state, this should not be difficult.

 

152

#150.  Classic.

Thank you.

153 The McRib is coming back for a limited time. On November 2nd. Coincidence? I think not. It's the frosting on the cake for us bitter clingers and rednecks. Posted by: Gunslinger at October 20, 2010 01:56 PM After seeing this, I won't ever be trying the McRib again.

154 158 Oops. I get my insignificant northern states that I have never been to and am never going to confused sometimes.

155 OT:  Brave Sir Barak Hussein is running away after the elections.

http://tinyurl.com/2cg8yf3

President Obama is giving Republicans a 10-day window to set the agenda for a lame-duck session and the new legislative year by leaving the country right after the midterm elections.

The timing of the presidentÂ’s trip to Asia is worrying some Democrats, who believe it could cede further momentum to a resurgent Republican Party that might win a House majority on Nov. 2.

“Unless we're planning to hold the lame duck in India, it makes zero sense to take a 10-day overseas trip right after what could be a disastrous midterm election,” said one Democratic strategist, speaking on background so as not to anger White House officials. “It will demoralize Democrats and needlessly cede message and momentum to Republicans.”

156 Can someone please tell me what's going on.  I just came back to peak in and see a "retraction of a post" which is a rarity

I, don't think I've ever seen it.  What happened?  What was the post about?  Why are there two Christine posts? 

Oh and Beck said the pres in quoting the declaration of independence left out "God" for the fourth time and gibsey fluffed it off when asked after the second time.

Beck sounds plausible on this one if your unalienable rights don't come from God, then where do they come from?  Which means they can be compromised if God is out of the picture.

So a simple word and belief that is very important and was assumed would never be challenged is being assaulted.

157
OMG.  One of your smart morons (unlike moi) with linky skilz, go to Blackfive and check out the DADT post (under Madcow).  Hi.lar.i.ous.

158

159 we are totally giving up our futures to the media as if it's a leviathan we can't beat.

I already give them zero dollars.  And, like a tour guide with Tourette. every mention of the MSM has me pointing out that they are lying cocksuckers.

Short of actual arson, I'm not sure what else I can do.

Arson doesn't sound too bad and I do like chemicals!!

159
The media lies?  Took long enough to penetrate, damn those ewok skulls are thick.

160 NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Clumsy Ploys.

And it's chock full of Racial Profilers.

161 Any day now...

162

I was interviewed by the WashPo once. I said, "I completely disagree with the people who say X". Naturally, the reporter wrote that I said that "X".

Exactly the opposite. It doesn't matter what you say, they report the opposite of what you say (if what you say is sympathetic) if you aren't a marxist.

No reasont to jump on Christine, our only hope is to reveal the media bullshit.

This constitution issue is actually wonderfully illustrative of their incredible bias and the stupidity of lawyers.

163 168
OMG.  One of your smart morons (unlike moi) with linky skilz, go to Blackfive and check out the DADT post (under Madcow).  Hi.lar.i.ous.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 20, 2010 02:12 PM (UOM4

Here you go

164 106

Here's the problem for O'Donnell:

It may be true that 'separtation of church and state' is not in the Constitution, and it is in fact not but...

.... it's not worth debating that. People *like* the concept.

What she means to say is that the 1st Amendment was never intended and does not itself prohibit free exercise of religion; but it DOES prohibit teh state restricting religious speech.

So just because the state does not have an official religion, that does not mean it has the right to keep people from speaking freely about religion, practicing religion, praying or ercting religious displays (one way of speaking freely about religion) on public property, grounds, facilities or schools.

Personally, to me, though she is technically right, the way she communicated it, was not good politics, not good electorally and a mistake.

Posted by: Sobieski at October 20, 2010 01:40 PM (4EVyh)

If that's all this is about then why did the SoCMFM have to lie about what she said?  Do people like being lied to? Apart from that, you may be right about the politics, but then again people might be waking up to the fact that when the ruling class lies to them about the Constitution about stuff they generally approve of, the ruling class will lie about stuff they don't.  We've gotten where we are now by a whole bunch of obfuscating sophistry from the organs of the Ministry of Truth.   

 

165 DADT propaganda poster via Blackfive. Expect it posted around an Ivy League College near you soon. ;^)

166 Via HotairRasmussen: Raese back up 7 over Manchin
Greg hardest hit.

167 Greg hardest hit.
How can that be when Greg doesn't have any balls to be squared on?

168 Look what I found

War on Potatoes Day 1

Personal Diary of PFC Dick Blumenthal

We approached Idaho from the Cache National Forest, using old highway 91 as a funnel point.  As we marched into Smithfield we began constructing a hasty assembly area.  The Sarge says that a volunteer group from San Francisco's 31st Irregulars are supposed to link up sometime within the next 48 hours.  We'll see.

So far we have only met some minor resistance from scouts from the Frito Lay Rangers.  Nothing hot n' heavy, but we lost Corporal Burns to salt poisoning, and Johansen had to be airlifted from carb overload.  Bastards are using everything they got.  We expect to assault Preston and Malad City within the week.

Got to go, Sarge says that I got guard duty tonight.  I just hope some of the Pringle SpecOps guys tries to get into MY wire.  I got my trusty K-Bar Samantha waiting for their soft throats.

169

They lied to make her look stupid. Period. The edited to make her look stupid. They advanced the idea that "everybody" knows that separation of church and state is in the constitution. In their world it is. In the real world, it isn't. Everyone they do know thinks it's in there. They are stunned to find out it isn't. Who knew?

What this tells me is that she is closer in the polls than we know.

170

Potatoes lead to french fries.

Beck was talking about this a month ago--that it would happen.

171 #174  Thanks, but wrong linky.  It's the DADT post under Madcow.  (Hangs head in shame because of lack of linky skilz)

172 Look.  She advocated teaching creationism in public schools.  In Delaware.  She might as well have been extolling the virtues of gay porn in Alabama.  All the debating and parsing accomplishes one thing:  it reinforces the fact that she supports teaching creationism in public schools.  In Delaware.

173 I'm so tired of Delaware.  Sorry.  Just wait till we here in Georgia are boring you guys to death when Hank "Guam" Johnson is up for re-election (however, it will at least be humorous).

174 184 Look.  She advocated teaching creationism in public schools.  In Delaware.  She might as well have been extolling the virtues of gay porn in Alabama.  All the debating and parsing accomplishes one thing:  it reinforces the fact that she supports teaching creationism in public schools.  In Delaware.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert at October 20, 2010 02:33 PM (PmZ9N)

 

No, she advocated the correct reading of the Constitution. Thanks for forwarding the MFM narritive.

175 Post Retracted for Now ... and a wave of confidence-shattering detumescence sweeps through the Moron Nation; Moronettes hurt least.

176 BTW, is the U.S. Senate responsible for writing or selecting grade and high school textbooks? /fuck you, walt

177 Just like the 1773 flap. The left has predetermined that Palin and ODonnel are dunces, even when they are right. Even if they have to lie to make their point. SOP for the MFM.

178

189 Just like the 1773 flap. The left has predetermined that Palin and ODonnel are dunces, even when they are right. Even if they have to lie to make their point. SOP for the MFM.

That's it exactly!  Which is why I"m enraged when we play along.  It's their war, their rules and we're letting them screw us in the ear.

179 Which is why I"m enraged when we play along.

Precisely. Ace of all people should know better than to play along with the leftist media. Even if she's a terrifying social conservative.

180 183 #174  Thanks, but wrong linky.  It's the DADT post under Madcow.  (Hangs head in shame because of lack of linky skilz)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 20, 2010 02:33 PM (UOM4

Sorry, but I'm just not able to find what you are referencing at Blackfive ... oh, wait ... is this it?

... I dunno ... war stuff ...

181 192 183 #174 Posted by: ya2daup at October 20, 2010 02:49 PM (7GfKM)

Chit! Chit! Chit! Try again ...

182 186 No, she advocated the correct reading of the Constitution.


In what context, "MFM narritive guy"?

Look.  You can advocate on behalf of dead-end candidates all you want.  But, you can't demand that everyone else do so ... particularly if it requires that everyone else pretend to be a table-pounding lummox.

She advocated teaching creationism in public schools.  In Delaware.  No amount of changing the subject to the "MFM narritive" can make that fact go away.  So you might as well stop asking everyone to deny reality just to soothe your sense of embarrassment at having to once again defend a dead-end candidate.

183 This is NOT like the 1773 flap. OD seems to think absence of specific phrase is significant, when separation of church and state is the point and purpose of the establishment clause. The phrase isn't in there , but the guard against government entanglement in religion is; and if she doesn't understand that, she's not only in the wrong but dangerous.

184 wow, the media is giving a lot of attention to Christine.  Why is this race so important to them.  And I heard a rumor that the pres is back in the state, again...so what is it about this particular race that is making them pay such close, close attention?

185
193  Bingo!

186 Sarah,
   What does "separation of church and state" mean to you exactly?

187 "but the guard against government entanglement in religion is; and if she doesn't understand that, she's not only in the wrong but dangerous.

Posted by: SarahW at October 20, 2010 02:57 PM (Z4T49)"

If if the very big word in your little sentence and "dangerous" is an awfully serious charge to level against an American citizen who  decided to step up to the plate and sacrifice herself and her family in order to serve the people of her state.

What are senators only allowed to be doctors and lawyers?  the occassional business man/woman?  We aren't allowed to elect whomever we wish?  We aren't' allowed to elect just regular people?

when did this idea of having an educational pedigree take hold?

188 She advocated teaching creationism in public schools. 

Did you fact-check that statement or you just play along with the leftist media?

189 BTW, creationism or intelligent design are two theories.  To me, if you are educated correctly you are taught to think critically, to realize that you will be a life long learner and to examine various theories and ideas and reach a conclusion that you can live with as to what you believe.  There are many things that students are exposed to and taught that later turn out to be wrong.  The problem is that we allow people to create firestorms the minute we mention God. 

190 I have seen enough of Christine to know who she is.  When I heard this clap trap I immediately assumed it was the media and their hi jinx and that they were running scared.  I wonder how many Delawareans came to the same conclusion using the same two seconds I used

191 She did not advocate teaching creationism.  She did advocate that local districts should be free to teach what they want, including creationism if they choose, and that the federal governement should stay out of it.  I agree, except that creationism should not be taught in science class because it isn't science.  If you want to point out flaws of evolution, and there are a number of them, or how evolution isn't a complete explanation, then that would be acceptable for a science class.  Creationism and/or intelligent design should only be taught in philosophy or religion classes.

192

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Now to y'all dummies, like the laughing students that believe in this wall (which Christine accurately says is NOT in the 1st Amend) you are forgetting the second part, namely FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. You lefties believe in your hearts in a phrase NOT in the Amendment and forget, and even campaign vigorously to eliminate, everyone's freedom to excercise their religious rights which actually IS in the Amendment. THERE IS NO FUCKING WALL.

193 Given the record of the leftist media, we should assume that they are lying until it is confirmed 2 or 3 times over. The only reason we should jump on it immediately is to demand them to prove it. I wouldn't play along with the leftist media given their record. I still give Ace credit for bringing up this deception.

194 As a concerned Christian conservative, I am distressed by your rush to judgment on this issue. Therefore I have no choice but to vote the straight Dem ticket as a matter of personal integrity...

195 Creationism and/or intelligent design should only be taught in philosophy or religion classes.

ID should be taught alongside evolution as competing theory since it is based solely on scientific evidence. In fact, evolutionism should be taught in a philosophy or religion class. I don't see why the defenders of evolutionism are so afraid of open/honest debates using modern scientific evidences of complex biological systems and compared them to modern computer systems. Show students how creative evolution can create human from fish so that students can learn to apply that knowledge to the design of computer systems. Then you can teach students how ID is just a pseudo-science by pointing out that complex computer systems are intelligently designed by thousands of engineers. Then we can teach the students how computer designs have "evolved" over the years!

196 And without her, the media would be unable to find a target to lie about and "do damage" with? Really?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 20, 2010 01:42 PM (X2rdt)

Well, no, not really.

But let's not make it so god damn easy for them. That was Ace's point. Don't defend teaching creationism in front of a fucking law school class two weeks before a fucking election.

197 I think this issue is a nice detour away from the issues that count and should be ignored:

"THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONÂ’S RECORD FROM THE OUTRAGEOUS TO THE ABSURD"

So last week it was in the $37,000. per person range and now it's $43,000. per person?  So if you are in a regular American family, mom, dad, boy child, girl child the you owe $172,000.

link

198 Woo weee I'm gone for 3 months, come back and this place is chock full of concern trolls! Who's on guard duty? Lordy lordy we do more to hurt ourselves by being pussies than the powers that be ever could. Ha I choose not to worry. Lock and load! Call your friends and neighbors, get them out of the house and voting! All this is an orchestrated effort to dampen our spirits. I say bring it on assholes! (or holes of asses) The real fight hasn't even begun!

199

By the way, what is wrong about a local school distrct deciding what their schools teach?  Or is that too far away from the totalitarian project that's being set up by twisting the Constitution into always saying the opposite of what is written?  Concern about maintaining centralized control by the ruling class through the federal apparatus is very important.  The scandal isn't creationism in the public education system, it's the ignorance promugated through the indoctrination by the collectivists of the ruling class.  Thanks for your concern.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 20, 2010 01:44 PM (264X9)

Please don't "concern" me holmes. I've been around here a long time. And I serve on a local school board. Fought hard to get there. Whether or not to teach creationism is so far down on the list of concerns facing schools you can't see it with an electron microscope.

And as a conservative, it is the pretty much the last thing I want to hear from a GOP candidate two weeks before one of the most important elections of my lifetime.

200 . Don't defend teaching creationism in front of a fucking law school class two weeks before a fucking election.

I can see your point. Just lie a little bit here to get past the election. We can do the education later!

201

Of all the Repub candidates running, all we get is COD, all day every day.  That enables the MFM to hone in on her.  My point was that we should not join in the high-tech lynching

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Aqua Buddha at October 20, 2010 01:54 PM (dS2wQ)

I agree, but I wouldn't call this a lynching. She put us in a bad spot by going somethere she didn't need to go. It's fair and logical to point out her poor decision. That's all.

202 And as a conservative, it is the pretty much the last thing I want to hear from a GOP candidate two weeks before one of the most important elections of my lifetime.

BTW, the media didn't focus on this point! Why would you worry too much about it? Get past that and focus on the issue. I agree with you up to a point. I still tried to get McCain elected!

203

But let's not make it so god damn easy for them. That was Ace's point. Don't defend teaching creationism in front of a fucking law school class two weeks before a fucking election.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2010 03:26 PM (9KqcB)

yes, that is true for the professional politicians but regular people don't have the professional politician gene, they tend to not realize they have to pretend to be one thing and then do another.  They are basically honest and hard working and truth telling and that could get them in trouble in the last weeks of the election cycle but then again, Americans aren't stupid.  It is very charming and refreshing to see your friends and neighbors out there, willingly to step into the dirty dirty business of politics without concern for their own welfare.  I think Delawareans are not as dumb as some of you like to think they are.

204

 She advocated teaching creationism in public schools. 

Some clarification is in order.

Fuck you all.

My kids are in Delaware public schools, and I can't even get them taught cursive; they simply stopped teaching it. They are getting crap loads of scare lessons about global warming and pollution. And multi-culturalism. And here you bitch about the specter of creationism? All this about a candidate who ir replacing Joe the lovable idiot Biden?

 

205 200 --  Did you fact-check that statement or you just play along with the leftist media? 

Thankfully, you're around to set the voters of Delaware straight on the issue.  Please walk me through your plan to disabuse the good voters of Delaware of the notion that Christine O'Donnell doesn't support, advocate, defend -- whatever your preferred nomenclature -- the teaching of intelligent design and/or young earth creationism in public schools.

I mean, you DO realize this is Delaware, right?  Not Kentucky or Tennessee.  How much time and energy are you willing to expend toward that endeavor?  Bear in mind, Election Day's just a couple of weeks away. 

I await your progress reports with bated breath.

206 I can see your point. Just lie a little bit here to get past the election. We can do the education later!

Posted by: LAI at October 20, 2010 03:33 PM (R4ub4)

Not sure what that quip means, but how 'bout we follow the somewhat successful Tea Party approach and out the religious shit for now?

207 youtube has the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg&feature=player_embedded

208 BTW, the media didn't focus on this point! Why would you worry too much about it?

Posted by: LAI at October 20, 2010 03:36 PM (R4ub4)

Only because it seemed to lead to the rest of the silliness (and the article in question framed the issues as such). Period. This was the wrong time and wrong place to try to make distinction between what most people think and accept the Constitution says about religion and state and what the actual words are.

209
I await your progress reports with bated breath.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert

 

You really want to hide behind this asshole? Delaware was one of 28 states to increase the number of educators AS the school populations was falling. The largest county raised its taxes three times since the whiz kid Coons took over. That doesn't count the ancillary taxes (including sewer) that were raised. The most importnat issues HERE IN DELAWARE are the economy, jobs and government spending.

And you're here peddling angst over creationism. You're not even close to adressing what Delawareans are interested in. But it may prove useful to hide behind.

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yes, that is true for the professional politicians but regular people don't have the professional politician gene, they tend to not realize they have to pretend to be one thing and then do another. 

Posted by: curious at October 20, 2010 03:37 PM (p302b)

Come on, curious. COD has been in and around political circles for at least a decade. Hasn't she run for office several times before? Cripes she was talking politics on national TV as early 1999. I understand this is her first time as a candidate for the U.S. Senate. But don't pass her off as the average gal next door suddenly thrust into the spotlight. She's been seeking it for a long time. Which is OK.

And there is no way the criticism of her performance amounts to demanding that she must "pretend to be one thing and then do another." She knows she is being used by Obama and the media to paint the entire GOP field as extreme. She is far down in the polls. How about she not question the traditional notion of separation of church and state two weeks before the election? It's not too much to ask.  

211 223 -- We'll see on Election Day.  I can understand your angst.  I mean, the concerns of Kentucky voters are pretty much the economy, jobs and government spending, too.  But, I'm not stupid enough to believe that getting caught up in stupid debates (like "Aqua Buddha") doesn't matter.  It's called dealing with reality, which is the opposite of being the political equivalent of a fluffer for a particular candidate, all the while telling yourself, over and over, that it's true love.

212 223 -- BTW, I'm curious as to where anyone from Delaware came by their expertise in getting conservatives elected in the state.  There's absolutely no evidence that they've been successful in doing so in the past.

213 BTW, I'm curious as to where anyone from Delaware came by their expertise in getting conservatives elected in the state.  There's absolutely no evidence that they've been successful in doing so in the past.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert

No, you're not. You're still playing this insipid game. We have elected consumate idiots; Biden immediately springs to mind. We'll probably elect another idiot that raises taxes instead of reining in spending and who misuses the little  power he had running a county.

I can understand your angst

More crap. I don't care about creationism; you and the leftist Greek chorus have been flogging this. As I had noted before, the schools here won't teach unbiased science and dropped cursive writing entirely.

214 #226 Looks like Old Walt knows more about what Delawarites want that, you know, actual Delaware citizens.

He's pissed they picked C'OD once, and he's pissed that she's still running.

Maybe next time they'll call you up for your advice first before making such errors like voting for the candidate they want.

215 I think its unwise to declare the idea of conservatives winning in Delaware until November 3. Until then, back the conservative or get the hell out.

216 227 --  Well, at least you won't have to worry about this particular seat anymore, come Nov. 2.  It's gone for at least a generation.

228 -- "Maybe next time they'll call you up for your advice first before making such errors like voting for the candidate they want."

Amen, brother.  Amen.

217 await your progress reports with bated breath.

Sure, you got hung up on a point that the media didn't even focus on! You are trying to make it easy for them. I can understand that you didn't get Castle. But ACES at least tried his best to "understand" it. They asked her a question about teaching evolution. So she answered it! Your point is that she should have lied about it at least a little bit to get past the election. That 's OK as  a tactical advice. The silliness is that you guys seem to be so eager to play along with the media. Looks like you have a prejudice against her already. As a tactic, I would have turned that around to show how Coons and the libs have such little regard for the constitution because of their big gov governing philosophy. Not you specially per se, but the talking heads with a megaphone.

You don't care about creationism. That 's fine with me. I just happy that we can agree on the fiscal issues. But I see all this crap and ignorance about evolutionism. So just try to set the premise straight. I think all this silly and ignorant attack on "religion" doesn't help anybody.

218 Here is how a "cool" and smart libertarian plays it. See the difference in "attitude"?

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/108286/

Meanwhile, I agree that the OÂ’Donnell focus is a deliberate distraction. But I also think itÂ’s important to use this opportunity — like the Sarah Palin “1773″ brouhaha — to point out that the credentialed gentry class isnÂ’t nearly as smart, and certainly isnÂ’t as well-educated, as it thinks it is.  Because, you know, it isnÂ’t.

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224 I understand this is her first time as a candidate for the U.S. Senate.

No it is her 3rd attempt at winning the DE US Senate seat. 2006 and 2008 were the previous tries.

227 I don't care about creationism; you and the leftist Greek chorus have been flogging this. - you don't care, but hear the debate exchange through the prism of moderate, independent, and Jewish voters in New Castle county. It's like a dog whistle to them, they're now convinced she's going to Christianize them. When I heard Christine first going down the evolution rabbit hole, I mentally pleaded with her not to go there. It's not the hill she should choose to die on, fiscal conservatism is where she should have focussed. God knows there is enough to go after her opponent on that front.

231 Your point is that she should have lied about it at least a little bit to get past the election. That 's OK as  a tactical advice. Not lied, but finessed. This was a tactical error on her part, she went to a place that helped her in the primary, forgetting she is now in the general. Mike Castle did the opposite during the primary: he ignored the conservatives, and played to the general election voters.

Now I do believe she can win in November, and maybe due to a totally unforeseen and probably off-the-wall reason. Suppose that African-Americans in Delaware can't bring themselves to pull the lever for a candidate named Coons? Really - Christine might win because of a condition that's 100% out of anyone's control.

220 Not lied, but finessed. This was a tactical error on her part, she went to a place that helped her in the primary, forgetting she is now in the general.

I am fined with your analysis. I do question the judgement to dwell on this at the expense of using this opportunity to put the libs on the defensive. Instead of caterwauling/harping on CO, we should play smart as Instapundit did. I know we are not running for the Senate, but a little tactical smart here also helps.

221 Really - Christine might win because of a condition that's 100% out of anyone's control.

Posted by: Marla at October 20, 2010 06:23 PM (kD8Fh)

Like the voters?

222 Really - Christine might win because of a condition that's 100% out of anyone's control.

Posted by: Marla at October 20, 2010 06:23 PM (kD8Fh)

235 Like the voters?

That's an interesting question. If a candidate believes that voters are 100% out of their control, why would they spend so much time and money attempting to influence said citizens? The voters' hearts and minds are not necessarily out of a candidate's "control", but something as innocuous as a candidate's name is. For example, Christine was able to use her primary opponent's name to great advantage as a rallying cry: STORM THE CASTLE!

It is unfortunate that she will not be able to use the same rally cry with her current adversary: Storm the Coons! would be political suicide.

223 It is unfortunate that she will not be able to use the same rally cry with her current adversary: Storm the Coons! would be political suicide.

What has the Delaware GOP done wrt Coons? What has the national GOP done? I know it is her campaign to run, but are they that petty to attack Coons? What is so special about him and his Marxism? He has quite a few things to answer for. Given all the attention the right side has put on CO, I would expect at least as much on Coons.

224 232 / 231 -- All of that presupposes a couple of things that are, to say the least, debatable.  Instapundit's point makes a false equivalence between what O'Donnell said and what Palin tweeted.  Palin's tweet happens to have the benefit of demonstrable, factual history behind it.  You see, there's no debating whether or not the Boston Tea Party occurred in 1773.  And, given the fact that Palin is a central figure in a movement named after that event, it's well-nigh beyond dispute that she was referring to that very event.

As you can see from Ace's public struggle to come up with a definitive conclusion on the matter, unlike Palin's reference to 1773, the gist of O'Donnell's words is very much open to interpretation.  Consequently, you can't paint her detractors as being flat-out wrong by an objective standard.  So, you don't gain any advantage.  You just end up arguing about what she meant when she said what she said.

Secondly, this all assumes that lining up to defend O'Donnell will benefit the cause of conservatism in the long run.  That might be true, but I don't happen to believe it is.  So, I just can't seem to muster the gumption to rally to the defense of candidate I don't really believe in -- a candidate whose supporters have never passed up an opportunity to question the loyalty and worth of any conservative who deigned to voice skepticism about her candidacy, preferring instead to tar them as elitists and RINOs.

Of course, Levin, Limbaugh, et. al., will swear up and down that the supposed "RINOs" wouldn't support her because they're embarrassed by her conservatism.  That'll be a nice little bit of salve for those convinced that their purity ensures their moral superiority, but it won't explain why I can find it within myself to support Rand Paul after having supported his opponent in the primary.

No, I think the best think for conservatism right now is for folks like Levin to see if they can win an election without the help of all those dastardly RINOs he was so happy to alienate in the primary.  If he can manage to pull it off, more power to him.  But, if he can't, maybe next time he won't be so quick to crap all over good, solid, lifelong conservatives who happen to have different ideas as to how to go about advancing the cause.

225 So, I just can't seem to muster the gumption to rally to the defense of candidate I don't really believe in -
 
Thank you. You simply don't want her to win. If Castle is that important to you, then it is your choice. I would rather have the attitude of the libertarian Instapundit.

226 239 -- It's not that Castle was all that important.  It's all the true, dedicated conservatives who've been crapped on.  It's a real shame, too.  It didn't have to be this way.  Maybe next time, it won't.

227 Walt......what can I say?  The 'folks'?  'dastardly'?  

Seriously, what are you?  Disturbed, obviously, but WTF are you?

228 241 --  Seriously, what are you?

I'm right, Stan.  And literate.

229 Walt,
   I know that you didn't bother to follow the link I provided at Instapundit. He linked to Patterco, who was no fan of CO. He brought up the point about teaching creationism. But he didn't dwell on it. Today he did a yeomen job on the Wash Post 's dishonesty. The libs wanted a distraction wrt Palin and CO. In both cases, they have been caught red-handed. We should put them on the rope as a tactical matter. Since we have been talking about tactical error here. My hat to Patterco for not swallowing in pettiness here. I perfectly understand Patterco and Ace 's rationale for supporting Castle. I don't have any problem with that. I was warming up to Ace 's argument, but after a closer at Castle, I don't think he 's worth it. That 's all. The primary was over. We tried to drag McCain over the finish line, but we couldn't. Honestly, I didn't believe in McCain at all except for national security.

230 243 -- I actually did go to Instapundit; I just didn't follow all the links he posted.  But, I don't begrudge Patterico for his decision to get behind O'Donnell.  I don't begrudge anyone for that.  I just happen to disagree, but I've done my best to remain civil (admittedly pointed at times) about it.

Patterico has a different set of concerns from mine.  He has a readership to consider, and doesn't really have the luxury of time to dwell on this sort of thing.  So, I fully understand why he doesn't feel any inclination to plant his flag on this matter, despite having ample justification.

But, for me, this is a matter of a couple of different principles that have become intertwined.  The first principle is a matter of rewarding rewarding people who question your loyalty by offering them the very loyalty that they (rather publicly) called into question -- not to mention mental fitness and personal integrity.

In my mind, to do that sends a message to other would-be bullies that they can do the same thing and expect similar results.  And that, of course, encourages more of the same treatment. 

Some, actually most, people feel that now isn't the time to deal with that; that there are more important considerations to deal with.  I happen to think that this is the time to do it.  Because, if there isn't a consequence to that kind of treatment of fellow conservatives this time around, you can expect it again next time around.  Only the stakes will be much higher then.

Also, there's the matter of the best way to advance conservatism.  As I see it, it's not in the interest of the cause to encourage behavior that could end up giving the left another four years in the White House.

I may be the only person on the planet who sees it that way.  Fine.  As I said, I don't begrudge anyone for doing what they feel is in the best interest of the conservative movement.  I just happen to see it differently.

It all boils down to this:  If high profile conservatives are willing to slime and demean people who are in the trenches every day, doing the best they can to advance the cause, over someone they were scarcely aware of two months before -- well, they ought to get used to the idea of winning elections without the guys in the trenches.

231 i like the website ,it is good.