1 Who knew so many Americans were Israeli spies?

2 Oh's, no!

3 What are Mik, Sarah and Newt's middle names?

4 Right now, Harold Stassen could beat Obama.

5 I can tell you right now who this benefits!  OH YEAH!

6 New poll shows Brewer suffering over immigration stance

7 I'm pretty sure my dog would out-poll O'Commie.

8 What about an 'R' before the name?

R. Lee Ermey... can you imagine the debates?

9 7 New poll shows Brewer suffering over immigration stance

Nice.

10 Yeah, I mean you collapse one measly health care system in a state and crush businesses with debt and taxpayers with taxes and actually drive away doctors, and everyone's, like, "Deal killer!" So unfair!

11 I could beat Obama and I'm an evil ginger Jooooo.

12 Oh, goody!

Just two more years of Osama Obama destroying our economy (today, for example), selling national security down the river, opening borders, getting legions of fraudulent voters ready for action, targeting Americans for spiffs or punishment based on their race, hypocritically passing judgment on people who are more honest than he is, sitting on his Islamic ass when every crisis hits, playing golf and ensuring that, as was the case for the citizens of Oceania with Big Brother, we have to see his arrogant, supercilious mug on TV every day.

Screw polls. 2012 will be too late. Our last, best chance, absent a Declaration of Independence-style forced removal of our monarch for arbitrary and criminal acts, is an overwhelming victory in 2010 that bring patriotic Americans into elected offices throughout the land.

(Of course doing that would require finding a lot of honorable and trustworthy candidates who are not, as of now, showing any interest in elective office. Squishy, Ed Morrissey-type "Republicans" need not apply.)

If we could elect a majority of ordinary, stable, conscientious citizens to Congress, the impeachment trial would begin before all the new representatives and senators had their names on their office doors.

I guess the point is that I don't give a damn what the polls say. I no longer have much faith in their being an American-style election in 2012 unless the Traitor-in-Chief is escorted out of the White House in handcuffs.

Believe it or not, it makes me sad to see matters reduced to this.

13 Damn it.  I tried to send a link from HA to ace and for some strange reason, couldn't.

The Charleston River Dogs minor league baseball team is giving out Alvin Greene bobbleheads.

14 I feel they are peaking too soon.  And I think Gibseey always says the opposite of what he thinks is going to happen and Nanny P seems to be the last one to pick up on this.

15 A shame Romney, the man behind Massachusetts's version of Sovietcare, can't be our nominee come 2012? Why, for Pete's Sake? At the rate Obama is going, we might as well nominate Mel Gibson for President and Pee Wee Herman as his right hand man Vice President... we'd STILL win.

16 dri=bastige for the sidebar vid .

17 Man, the html controls on this site suck, though...

18 First, he should blow me. Then he should give more speeches to get more credit for his accomplishments. You ever destroyed an economy before? Presidentin' is hard. Fore!

19 Oh Jane will you be able to get one???

20 Holy shit. Thanks for that reminder about Romney. I've bookmarked it. (Probably already did once, but I've got about a zillion bookmarks to lose important info in.)

21 RLE: What is your Major Malfunction!
BHO: <furtive glance at teleprompter> I don't need to my explain myself to a lieutenant.

22

I've said before that the reason I have come to dislike Romney is that he likes to sic his underlings on Sarah Palin.  I would respect a candidate who instead came publicly to her defense, and then specified that he disagreed with her on, say, windfall profits taxes.

Unfortunately, the most likely candidate to actually do this is Mike Huckabee, who would probably also be the worst GOP candidate for President. 

Rick Perry?  John Thune?  Are you reading this?

23 So you want me to believe that Romney is the candidate of choice. That is according to Public Policy Polling. PPP is owned and operated by CARVILLE!!!

Are you daft? That is exactly what we did last time. We let the dhimms pick the (R?_depends on relative distance to reelection day) McShamenasty.

Never again.

Go SARAHCUDA.

24 "I no longer have much faith in their being...."

THERE, not their.

The combination of rage and sorrow makes me illiterate.

25 New poll shows Brewer suffering over immigration stance

Nice.
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry
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Didn't you notice the source?

26 Sarah has maxed out her negatives after the 2 years of metaphorical gang rape by the media. Now she is TIED with Obama despite that. Just wait until she runs uplifting ads on TV, campaigns, and debates. OBAMA IS IN DEEP SHIT. Put the media on suicide watch now. I am not interested in Romney's flip flops and individual mandates. I will go with Sarah.

27 This is a big fucking deal!

28

Heh!  I could beat Obama in any race (5k through marathon).

29 Romney also had a Soviet gun policy.

30 Hey, I'm ahead of Mel Gibson-R.

31

New poll shows Brewer suffering over immigration stance

 

Let me take a stab:  The polling sample was 95% Democrats, illegal aliens and community organizers.

32 No where to go but up!

33 Nobody is going to repeal Obamacare.  Romney just made the mistake of saying it out loud.

34 OT:  I have to tell you morons that I am on US Air on my way back to San Diego and just my luck I am surrounded by nutjob Ukranians or something.  What a fucking pain in the ass.  5 hours of this bullshit.

35 I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown.  His enormous sense of superiority and entitlement simply can not withstand the reality that is coming at him like a freight train.  His middle-name excuse from a few days ago was only the beginning.  We are going to be seeing more and more bizarre excuses for his failures and more scapegoating.  Obama is a bomb and the fuse has been lit. 

36 So they are trying to pick the candidate again?  Don't like mitt..not at all...hope someone else can eclipse him and not newt....

maybe macdonald from virigina can run with christie from jersey....a dream team...

37 Sorry to hear of your troubles MPFS.  Be on the alert, those could be Russian spies...

38 @36:  Try to engage them in a religious debate.  Ukranians eat that shit up with a frickin spoon.  Maybe you'll even end up shooting a porno!

39 PPP commenters are hilarious.  Take this example:

Hey Tom - Amazing what 2 years of the mainstream press spiting out GOP talking points can do. Seems like the Dems are lacking a strong political voice right now - e.g. party chair. On the bright side - didn't Obama come from behind against John and Sarah?

40 Romney also took Chris Matthews's bait. "What do you dislike most about this country?"

Obedient Romney: "Uh, well, Chris, what I dislike most about this country is . . ."

I imagine Sarah forfeiting with a delicate snort of contempt.

41 The next president will be somebody who is a relatively unknown figure now.

42

It's because he has an C after his name,Captain Kickass.

43 They are all young people with no fucking manners at all.  One girl would not shut her mouth during takeoff instructions and I told her to shut up that I prefer to live through a crash landing.

44 I have beaten Obama many a time...

45 Given the choice between Romney and Palin, I'll go with the one who will make the libs go absolutely mental.

46 36 OT:  I have to tell you morons that I am on US Air on my way back to San Diego and just my luck I am surrounded by nutjob Ukranians or something.  What a fucking pain in the ass.  5 hours of this bullshit.


Offer them some vodka, make it REALLY interesting.

47 36 OT:  I have to tell you morons that I am on US Air on my way back to San Diego and just my luck I am surrounded by nutjob Ukranians or something.  What a fucking pain in the ass.  5 hours of this bullshit.

Damn, that sucks.  I think that if you don't play Risk and say that Ukranie is weak and a sitting duck and a road apple, you'll be fine.

Have a safe flight.

48 Go SARAHCUDA.
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at July 15, 2010 05:46 PM

What I want to know is this: do you think Palin would run again in '16 after having her clock cleaned by Osama Obama in '12?

I wish Palin fans would realize that many Americans -- including many who don't really follow the righty blogs -- would like to see more experience on Palin's resume than mayor of Wasilla and an incomplete term as governor of Alaska. Plus, of course, a Facebook page....

Before you start rambling about how much more experience she has than the Traitor-in-Chief, that's not the point. One of the reasons the latter is tanking in the polls is that people are realizing that his lack of meaningful experience (in life as well as public office) is part of the reason he's screwing up so spectacularly.

We need someone better than the Chicago Jesus. I think Palin can be the one, but would really like to see her step up to the plate and deal with some serious problems first.

49 I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown. 
Posted by: WalrusRex
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I think he's just a crisis away. How severe can we make it in November and beyond?

50 LOL Kratos!

51 The only one of the four I would consider voting for is Palin.  Mitt would have to do something major to recover from his stubborn adherence to universal health care, which is too bad as I would have been willing to vote for him otherwise. 

52

#48 Sounds like an east coast flight.

53 31 Romney also had a Soviet gun policy. Posted by: Ken

...that we should all have ak47's ????

54 Please God no!

Please?

Make Mitt want to open a pet spa or something.  Hell I'd even send my dogs there.

55

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 15, 2010 05:54 PM (c0A3e)

 

Ooh!  Kratos is in teh house!

"So we gotta cut loose, footloose!  Kick off your Ginger shoes!"

56 Heck, even me going black hole would be preferable to Obama.

57 #54

Philadelphia to San Diego.  My only saving grace is the AoS morons and wifi that works!

58

Drats!  stinky sock!

 

I really should go back out and work in my yard, but this is so much more fun!

59 From Drudge:   GIFT TO THE DEMS: BUSH TO RELEASE BOOK FOR ELECTION; LEAKS BEGIN IN OCTOBER....

I don't get it.  How is this a gift for the Dems?  I'm assuming he'll forcefully defend his record.

60 I have to tell you morons that I am on US Air on my way back to San Diego and just my luck I am surrounded by nutjob Ukranians or something.  What a fucking pain in the ass.  5 hours of this bullshit.
Posted by: mpfs on US Air at 32000 feet at July 15, 2010 05:50 PM

Y'all in some kind of Borat movie there, kiddo?

61 Y'all in some kind of Borat movie there, kiddo?

Some of them are hairy enough.  Next thing you know they will want to rassle nekkid.  Ewwwwwwwww.

62 #59 don't count on anything working on a U.S.Air aircraft.I'mn in Philly right now.Working at the cargo side of the airport.FX.

63 #57  "So we gotta cut loose, footloose!  Kick off your Ginger shoes!"

Death before footloose.

64

OT:  I have to tell you morons that I am on US Air on my way back to San Diego and just my luck I am surrounded by nutjob Ukranians or something.  What a fucking pain in the ass.  5 hours of this bullshit.


Offer them some vodka, make it REALLY interesting.

Then ask them to sing. The pilot will declare an emergency and you could be on the ground in no time!

65

Please don't make me explain the joke about Brewer and immigration.  OK, fine, I will.

We have a great poll for the GOP, better than most of us even imagined, that basically says that we could win by digging up Michael Jackson's corpse and registering it as a Republican. 

So naturally, the Washington Post, which has a long record of picking out insignificant pro-Dem pieces of generally very pro-GOP news, particularly polls, in my joke interprets the poll as a rejection of the one Republican who is behind Obama.

Of  course, in reality, she is only "behind" him to the extent that nobody knows who she is--although they do know about the AZ law and support it, big-time.  But, in the joke, the WP takes a poll that says, "Get this schmuck the #@^& out of here!" and interprets it instead to say "We 'heart' illegal immigration."

All right, my joke is officially no longer funny.  Let's move on.

66 Ummm,  why wasn't Pawlenty polled too?  Isn't he running for President as well?

I hate to say it, but after Palin who wins on conservative creds alone against the shitbags like Fuckface Fuckabee  and Fuckface Romney, Pawlenty is the most qualified with just enough conservative moxie not to make me puke.

67 I don't get it.  How is this a gift for the Dems?  I'm assuming he'll forcefully defend his record.

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 15, 2010 05:56 PM (y4B2y)

I wondered that too.  The only thing I could come up with is that the book by Bush would remind some people why they voted for the Dems.  But even that is iffy.  So...I got nuthin'.

68 PPP: Obama Trailing Just About Everyone With An R After Their Name

 

Are you sure you don't mean "who's last name starts with the letter "R"?  Cause you know who this helps--Mitt Romney!  Buy my book, "Mormon in The Whitehouse".

69 Gingrich wouldn't be bad as a sort of wise-ass Dick Cheney VP pushing the media's buttons. President? No, thank you.

70 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 15, 2010 05:54 PM (Ulu3i)

I'm not entirely sure her clock would be cleaned. Palin/??? Could she persuade Paul Ryan to run with her?

Whoever runs in 2012, they'll have to beat the Obama/Clinton ticket, because that's what it's going to be. I don't see that any Rs in the current field have a better or worse chance of beating that freight train than any other Rs. At least Sarah wouldn't be afraid of them.

71

NEWT GINGRICH? I'M LOSIN' TO NEWT GINGRICH?

WHERE THE HELL DID MICHELLE HIDE MY SMOKES?

72 Wait my flight attendant looks suspiciously like Brian Denehey

73 16 A shame Romney, the man behind Massachusetts's version of Sovietcare, can't be our nominee come 2012? Why, for Pete's Sake? At the rate Obama is going, we might as well nominate Mel Gibson for President and Pee Wee Herman as his right hand man Vice President... we'd STILL win. I don't have enough energy for wit today; to hell with Romney already, and to hell with Scott McCain Brown.

74 If Huckabee gets in the poll (wtf?!), put John Bolton and Chris Christie in there, too. I loves me some fireworks.

75 Even if he steals my name, Obama can't win. I'm not Halfrican and we wear our hair differently. The voters will hate him even more for identity theft.

76

Romney also took Chris Matthews's bait. "What do you dislike most about this country?"

Obedient Romney: "Uh, well, Chris, what I dislike most about this country is . . ."

I imagine Sarah forfeiting with a delicate snort of contempt.

Sarah:  "I'm looking at it right now."

77 I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown.  His enormous sense of superiority and entitlement simply can not withstand the reality that is coming at him like a freight train.  His middle-name excuse from a few days ago was only the beginning.  We are going to be seeing more and more bizarre excuses for his failures and more scapegoating.  Obama is a bomb and the fuse has been lit.

Agreed.... Ive been saying for a while now that he's in over his head and hasn't a clue how to deal with the realities of the office... Whats worse is he's surrounded himself with advisors and staffers with even less experience and competence than he has.   And the ONE guy, Rahm Immanuel, that has any clue of how things work and why things happen, is reportedly on his way out.

Messiah Man Meltdown..... coming to a White House near you soon.

78 Well then, I better start ramping up my campaign.

79

Death before footloose.

 

Kratos, I know you are secretly tapping your sword as the Footloose brainworm works its way through your little ginger skull!

 

80

And now Romney has Halperin trying to sabotage Palin.  Yeah, the only one with testosterone in that whole list (Brewer doesn't count as a serious candidate at this point) is Ms. Palin.

BTW, if anyone feels the need to light into her about being a "quitter", then just remember who WORKED her way through college.  Sometimes she had to quit back then because she ran out of money and didn't have enough to pay for the next semester.  But everytime that she had saved up enough to go back, SHE WENT BACK.

I am TIRED of the Democrat Party - working in collusion with the MSM - manipulating people into "choosing" the candidate that they think they have a shot at beating.  Do you think that Mitt, Newt, or Huck could withstand the kind of abuse that Palin has endured the past 2 years?  Would they still be around, or would they be cowering in a corner, sucking their thumb, and crying for their mommy?

That's what I thought. 

81 We need someone better than the Chicago Jesus. I think Palin can be the one, but would really like to see her step up to the plate and deal with some serious problems first.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 15, 2010 05:54 PM (Ulu3i)

She's doing a pretty good job of punking the mfm, the main weapon in the Dem arsenal.

82 O/T, it's one-hundred-farkin-three outside today. 

83

#74 Are her shoulders touching both the overhead bag bins at the same time when she walks down the isle? Have a nice flight!

84 69 I don't get it.  How is this a gift for the Dems?  I'm assuming he'll forcefully defend his record.



I think Drudge means Bush is gonna give the Dems a shit sandwich and spill some damaging info.

85 I don't get it.  How is this a gift for the Dems?  I'm assuming he'll forcefully defend his record.

Ir's not like he's going to say, "OK, I admit it.  You boys were right.  I suck ass.  I'm an idiot--chimp evil-genius war-mongering baby-killing election-stealing psychopath."

86 I want to know what's up with the people who can't remember who they voted for 2 years ago?

87

I'll vote for any of them, (yeah including Gomer Huck) if one of them should win the nomination.

My best to worst of the names included would be...

Palin...I think.

Gingrich..a retread with baggage and an inability to focus on one stategy for any length of time.

Romney..Romneycare, flip flopper

Brewer...nice lady, tough, has a backbone, but not presidential

Brewers pet goldfish...better than huck

Huckabee...compassionate conservatism on steroids

This list isn't knocking my socks off, that's for sure. 

Ryan 2012

88 Nyet on Newt, Please!!!!111!!!!!

89

Sarah:  "I'm looking at it right now."

Posted by: Ken
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Whoa! Has that one been around a while? Or was that a spontaneous?

90 Even my own heart couldn't kill me, I could whoop Obama.

91 I don't like you sucking around, bothering conservatives, Romney.

I don't like your jerk-off name.
I don't like your jerk-off face.
I don't like your jerk-off behavior, and I don't like you, jerk-off!

92 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.  For the whole. election. cycle.

93

I don't get it.  How is this a gift for the Dems?  I'm assuming he'll forcefully defend his record.

 

I think that the Dems are thinking that it will remind people how hated Bush was and how everything bad happening is Bush's fault.  They can run against Bush because he has a book out.  

94 These people are fucking pigs.  Just dropping shit on the floor.

95 The abc news guy just said that found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site.  That's weird.

96

 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.  For the whole. election. cycle.

 

Virtual Smooch to you, Tru North--we are in sympatico!

97 mpfs on US Air at 32000 feet,

I was thinking of going on a romance tour in the Ukraine to score me some sweet Ukrainian babe who would love me forever and ever and bake me American pie, but your comments are making me rethink things.

98 runningrn, you literally made my day! -.^

99 The abc news guy just said that found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site.  That's weird.

It's the remnants of one of the many biological warfare ships that the white westerners used to kill the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

100 I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown. 
Posted by: WalrusRex

That'd be a big f'ing deal...can't wait

101

The abc news guy just said that found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site.  That's weird.

Was it a Viking ship? If it's a Viking ship then the Kensington Runestone could be real! SUCK IT, COLUMBUS!

102 96 These people are fucking pigs.  Just dropping shit on the floor.

 

Ruh Roh, I'm getting nervous for MPFS.  As Ivar Haglund used to say "keep clam" (known for his famous chowder in Seattle).

103

There's obviously only one reason for this sudden and drastic change of fortune...his middle name.

Two reasons, actually. Sticks Downey Syndrome is the other. (Shh.)

104 94 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.

Truman nails it. Sticks the landing.  10. 

105

Posted by: Truman North at July 15, 2010 06:08 PM (e8YaH)

Glad I could be of assistance!  You and Lacey have an uncanny way of saying what I'm thinking.  It's weird--like you're living in my head or something!

106 ...found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site. Tell you what: if it's a Muslim vessel, you get your Victory Mosque in recognition of all your contributions.

107 The abc news guy just said that found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site.  That's weird.

Posted by: curious at July 15, 2010 06:06 PM (p302b)

You know what that means?  SCANDINAVIANS!

108 These people are fucking pigs....
Posted by: mpfs on US Air at 32000 feet at July 15, 2010 06:05 PM

At least you know they're not Muslims, then.

Cheer up! You're not on Aeroflot!

109 O'Spades/Malor 2012.

"Tonight, I'd like to talk about my vision for the country.  But first, you will blow me."

110

 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.  For the whole. election. cycle.

I'm sure it is, but it's not like they weren't going to do it anyway, book or no book.  At least Bush will be defending his record, which he maddeningly did not do while in the White House. I think there might be a little Bush nostalgia out there, after this c-fuck administration.

111

I want to know what's up with the people who can't remember who they voted for 2 years ago?

 

heh!  If I had voted for Obama 2 years ago, I'd want to forget it too!

112

I'm sure it is, but it's not like they weren't going to do it anyway, book or no book.  At least Bush will be defending his record, which he maddeningly did not do while in the White House. I think there might be a little Bush nostalgia out there, after this c-fuck administration.

 

Miss me yet?

113 I'm sure it is, but it's not like they weren't going to do it anyway, book or no book.  At least Bush will be defending his record, which he maddeningly did not do while in the White House. I think there might be a little Bush nostalgia out there, after this c-fuck administration.




BINGO

114 Gosh, this is a fun thread!  (I really need to get outside and finish weeding, though!) 

115 #107  Glad I could be of assistance!  You and Lacey have an uncanny way of saying what I'm thinking.  It's weird--like you're living in my head or something!

The question is, would they want to?  . 

116 I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown. 
Posted by: WalrusRex

That'd be a big f'ing deal...can't wait


Posted by: Joe Bite me
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You do know who's gonna be blamed, don't you?

('Course, that's what doubles the anticipation for me.)

117

O'Spades/Malor 2012.

"Tonight, I'd like to talk about my vision for the country.  But first, you will blow me."

 

Bwhahaha!  Thread Winnah!  (And they could show the pudding cups sitting on the desk/podium)  Heh!

118 It's the selective leaks from Bush's book that the mfm 'report' on that will be the gift to the Dems.

119

Gosh, this is a fun thread!  (I really need to get outside and finish weeding, though!) 

Just hire some college kids, they'll weed for you.

 

 

^{oh, that kind of weeding.}

120

The question is, would they want to?  . 

 

I don't know.  It's empty and spacious at times and a little cluttered at times. 

121 If half the shit the Hillbuzz guys are saying about the Romney guys in Chicago is true; Romney is radioactive and we need to bury his ass (politically). And this from someone who was for Romney (the lesser of the evils).

I mean, if those type of guys really did what they are being accused of and act the way they are being reported as acting--I want nothing to do with them or any candidate they support.

At this point, I'm tentatively moving Romney toward the "Huckabee, World's Biggest Fuckface" category.

Oh, and racism. Racism is the reason for his poll decline as well.

122

I expect that  Obama is going to have a full scale Mel Gibson breakdown. 
Posted by: WalrusRex

That'd be a big f'ing deal...can't wait


Posted by: Joe Bite me
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You do know who's gonna be blamed, don't you?

 

Well, Booosh did break up the Gore's Love Story marriage. 

123 #99

I warn you every Ukranian woman I have known is batshit crazy.  No exaggeration.

124 "The abc news guy just said that found the hull of a 16th century ship while they were excavating the WTC site.  That's weird."

It's a cover-up.  We bought the island for $28 worth of shiny beads to hide the evidence of the ship.  It was supposed to stay buried.  Our own little Area 51 on Manhattan.

PS: if it's 16th-century, it ain't Vikings.  The Mayflower was 15th-century, remember.

125

It's the selective leaks from Bush's book that the mfm 'report' on that will be the gift to the Dems.

Like what? Selectively quoting him to say "Republicans...are as...evil...as...Osama the terrorist. Also...RAAAAAACCCCIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTT!"

126 6 Bob Dole could beat Obama.

Posted by: Bob Dole at July 15, 2010 05:38 PM (IhHdM)

Bravo.  Bra.  Vo.

127 122 If half the shit the Hillbuzz guys are saying about the Romney guys in Chicago is true; Romney is radioactive and we need to bury his ass (politically). And this from someone who was for Romney (the lesser of the evils).




Just can't see Romney doing any better than he did in 2008..I agree with a previous poster.chances are it is gonna be someone that is not on any ones radar.

128

I don't have time to weed the bill.  I'm a busy man.

...Oh, you mean weeds as in plants.  Sowwy.

129 Oops.  Can't count.  Columbus was 15th century.  The Mayflower was 17th.  Blame my California-public-school edumacation.

130

Oops.  Can't count.  Columbus was 15th century.  The Mayflower was 17th.  Blame my California-public-school edumacation.

Heh, and I was about to call you a dolt and say that the Mayflower came over in 1520.

131

Oops.  Can't count.  Columbus was 15th century.  The Mayflower was 17th.  Blame my California-public-school edumacation.

That's okay, you can work for us!

132 Later Haters!  It's time I got off my butt and got weed weed up!  (Or more accurately pull weeds out!)  Thanks for a fun thread!  You morons are the best!

133

That's okay, you can work for us!

Or me!

134

Sorry about my rant earlier; I'm just frustrated with everything that's going on right now (the Finance bill is the latest - WHERE was McConnell through this whole thing?  Couldn't he have told the R Senators to hold fast?).

I guess I have a soft spot for Sarah Palin because she made the choice to keep her baby, even after she knew that he was going to be born with Down syndrome.  It's easy for all of us to talk about being pro-life, but the fact of the matter is, I have a child with Down syndrome, and as much as I love her to pieces, the fact of the matter is that one of the reasons that I DIDN'T have any testing done ahead of time is because I was afraid that I wasn't noble enough to go through with a pregnancy if I knew that something might go wrong.

Do people not understand what kind of COURAGE it takes to make that decision?  I mean, yeah, we all talk a good game, but unless you have BEEN there, you don't really know if you have what it takes.  When Rebecca was born, a lot of the tears that were shed were because I didn't know if I had the strength that I was sure that it was going to take to be "that" kind of parent.

Trust me on this - ANYONE who sticks with a pregnancy, knowing what the Palins knew, has what it takes to be a leader.  And every mom that I know who has a child with a disability has a servant's heart - every last one of them will go to the mat for their kid.  And what this country needs right now is someone who will fight to the death for the good of this country and her people. 

What this country needs right now is a leader with a servant's heart.

135 122 If half the shit the Hillbuzz guys are saying about the Romney guys in Chicago is true; Romney is radioactive and we need to bury his ass (politically).

I voted for Romney in the CA primary (Fred! and Giuliani had already dropped out by the), but I think the health care stuff kills him.  At first (months ago) I thought his initial statements were just poorly worded or that there was some "nuance" (lol) that I was missing in his position.  But it's clear that for whatever reason he's wedded to the universal healthcare thing.  I'm sick of making excuses for him. 

BUT I would not put any stock in the Hillbuzz guys.  They are not on our side.  They were convenient - but ineffective - temporary allies during the election season, but fundamentally they are Clinton fanboys and not our friends.  Plus, their info has seemed suspect.  No offense to our ghey friends, but my experience is that gay men are terrible gossips and drama... tists. 

I'm not saying there's not dirty politics going on vis a vis Palin, but really the only candidate I've seen do it openly and consistently is Huckabee.  The others at the least do it arms length through their staffers or may not even be aware of it happening. 

136 What this country needs right now is a leader with a servant's heart.






LOVE that line.

137 Had a long conversation with a liberal friend today...who knows the messiah is in deep dodo... was wondering whether uhbuhma could make a comeback. NO! ...too damn arrogant to LEARN...fatal flaw.

138 If Teh Cuda can get her ingrateful spoiled brat idiot daughter and her douchenozzle fiance to sit down and shut their fucking cakeholes, she might be a contender.

139 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.  For the whole. election. cycle.

Posted by: Truman North at July 15, 2010 06:05 PM (e8YaH)

You mean that guy who was President when I had a job? Oh, I remember him!

140 It's two fricking years away and it all depends on how much blame captain jugears can pawn off on the Republicans (with the help of the BNP^*).  And this depends on how ineffective the Republicans are in a)taking the reigns, b)messaging, c) missing their own foot from a range of about 24".

I'll count my chickens when mr. mcwonderful is back to organizing the inner city Chicago.

_{* brown-nose press}

141 Repeat this sentence loudly and it will impress the Ukranians on a Plane. At least it will shut them up. Ukrainie Pietchka Smergie. You can thank me later.

142 Repeat after me: "The Ukraine is weak."

143 137. Teresa, that is a beautiful post. Wow.

144 Mitt would win.  But guess what: not good enough.

We have a fundamental emergency with the Health Care bill.  We have a big problem with many other issues.  We need someone who is a bona fide believer in limited government who can take the insane hatred that would be directed at a 2013 GOP President who wants to slash spending and reform our federal government.

Some of these candidates can take the heat and stay the course.  Mitt Romney is PRECISELY the sort of politician who cannot stay the course.  This one factor explains he entire political career.

What's the point of winning if winning will entrench all these horrible policies as bipartisan?  We need a fighter.  Mitt can't even fight Palin in person.. has to send his underlings to do it.  If it's Mitt vs Huckabee or Mccain or some completely terrible candidate, sure, I will pick Mitt.

Against Brewer, Palin, Christie, or any actual FIGHTER?  No thanks, Mitt.

Mitt's a true political player, a very smart man, and he words hard.  I want him to fix the party as Chair.

145 O/T:  Should have hung her, but this will suffice for now.

146 144. Oh now I must know what that means! Is it Russian or Ukrainian?

147 #144

I am not going to repeat that phrase.  I'm trapped up here with no Chuck Heston and his Skippy peanut butter to save my ginger ass.

148

Ooops - went into rant mode again.

Blame it on the caffeine and an inadequate amount of medication at the 12:00 hour.....

149 What this country needs right now is a leader with a servant's heart.

Oh no you didn't.

150 But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!



.....sorry, kind of late on this thread. Long conference call.....I swear, I wasn't looking at midget pron.

Honest.

151

 

PS: if it's 16th-century, it ain't Vikings.  The Mayflower was 15th-century, remember.

Maybe the ship was Arabs trying to reach out to the Western world and engage much more with dominantly Christian nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science Â… and math and engineering.

152 137 gets the point across so well.

I don't think Palin is the smartest.  I don't think she's the best spoken,.  I know she's polarizing and would net fewer votes than Mitt.

But she is a serious human being.  She is an actual courageous reformer.  She is very smart and communicates well enough for me, but I mostly want her as President because I think I can count on her when the inevitable push back begins.

Either the next GOP president and GOP congress drastically reforms our spending, or we're pretty fucked as a country.  We have to select a candidate who is compatible with this idea, or we aren't winning jack shit.  Sure, the (R)s will have the White House in 2013 either way, but there's something right about Palin and Brewer and Christie.  I say we pick whichever proven courageous limited government reformer we think has the best shot at beating Obama, and completely write off the Huckabees and Mitts.

153 O/T:  Should have hung her, but this will suffice for now.

Posted by: kathysaysso at July 15, 2010 06:33 PM (ZtwUX)

Michael Moore in drag?

154 I could take the chick in front of me.  I'm sure of it.  If you hear on the news an incident occurred on US Airway flight number 701 bound for San Diego...it was me.  Donate bail money please.

155 148, the comment at your link "I hope this liberal likes black bearded clams" was pretty fucking funny, but dayum that's some ugly thinking.

156

If half the shit the Hillbuzz guys are saying about the Romney guys in Chicago is true; Romney is radioactive and we need to bury his ass (politically). And this from someone who was for Romney (the lesser of the evils).

I read the article, and it's some seriously evil shit.  I don't trust Hillbuzz, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were true. 

I've met "moderate" Republicans and I've met "right-wing extremists," including, oddly enough, Sharron Angle.  It would probably surprise most people, but the "extremists" are almost always more likeable, more personally moral (and yet less judgmental), more tolerant of disagreements, more concerned about poor people and even criminals (remember how Sharron Angle got slammed over her agreement to at least look at the "massage treatment" for drug addictions?), and more willing to give credit to other. 

"Moderate" Republicans, generally, have little in the way of morals or even pragmatic personal restraint, are arrogant and dismissive of opposing views, and are always trying to one-up their rivals with The Plan That Will Save The Republican Party.  When the Plan inevitably fails, they never, ever take the blame for it, and will always blame the "Religious Right."  See David Frum as an example. 

A large part of the reason that conservative Republicans do better than moderates is the simple fact that they're better people. 

If you Romney supporters do manage to somehow get your man elected, don't be surprised if we get a Lewinsky or Watergate--on top of a continued depression.

157 154


LOL

158

Be on the alert, those could be Russian spies...

BTW, nobody has yet explained how come the Russians had 4 live KGB traitors to trade to us for their spies.  The life expectancy of a KGB turncoat is usuallt measured in minutes isn't it?  My answer: this was a way to get the Russians out of the country before they could defect and spill the beans about what policy-makers (or law-makers) they had turned.

Second question: why didn't the MSM remind us about how all this shit about Russian spies is the over-wrought paranoia of conservative nutjobs, like they have been saying for years?  My answer: see answer above.

Republicans fight the Dems for office.  Conservatives need to fight the media for America.

159 Why is Romney always ahead in the polls? I mean the guys like invisible, not much news coverage, a book that sold about 15 copies. I just don't get it.
Also on the boat they found at the WTC site. How was it not found when the towers were built? My understanding is they did some serious digging at the start of construction.

160 heh, whoopsie! I doubleposted! I was arguing so much about Mel Gibosn I didn't refresh the main page.

161

Mitt would win.  But guess what: not good enough.

We have a fundamental emergency with the Health Care bill.  We have a big problem with many other issues.  We need someone who is a bona fide believer in limited government who can take the insane hatred that would be directed at a 2013 GOP President who wants to slash spending and reform our federal government.

Some of these candidates can take the heat and stay the course.  Mitt Romney is PRECISELY the sort of politician who cannot stay the course.  This one factor explains he entire political career.

Ex-freakin'-zactly.

If Romney were to win, it would not make things better, it would make them worse, because we would have another failed GOP Presidency on top of a failing economy and collapsing presence on the world stage.  We might not even have a 2012 election.  We might have one, but have too much of our country controlled by foreign gangs to make a difference.  (See Rome c. 450 AD).  Most likely, we would have one, and the Dems would put up someone along the lines of Michael Moore--and he would win, and openly dismantle the USA.

162 Okay so here's my thoughts on this:

Romney: obv. he's become the lead dog, but after being a supporter of his, i've become less enchanted w/ his refusal to repeal ObamaCare which polls show is a political plus and of course the Romneycare stuff, and hate to say it but yes some people won't vote for a mormon, that said he's a great candidate election wise and COULD (but not too likely) put MA in play

Gingrich: he'd obv. be a great debater, but he's pissed off the base lately (remember pissing off the base is why Obama is in office to begin with) and he has so many skeletons in his closet

Huckabee: he's been going down in primary polling and while he'll make some noise, he'll prob. lose...I pray

Brewer: i've argued before that she could be a good VP pick

Cristie: same as Brewer though it'd be awesome if he ran and NJ would be in play automatically

Ryan: I REALLY like this guy but if he won't run, he'd be a great VP pick and WI would be in play

Jindal: w/ the oil spill making him look like an effective leader he could run and be viable but he'd be a better VP pick

Palin: she has LOTS of things that go against her (babby daddy drama, weak interviews, horrible favorables) but if she keeps up polling like this against Obama i'm voting for her b/c if she can get in, we're talking possibly a great top 10 prez if she does to the country what she claims to believe in

163 Who on the current list of GOP contenders would be willing to veto GOP pork? That question narrows it down considerably.

164 this is what I wrote in that double-posted post: I don't believe this poll (as you know, I'm a Palin skeptic). ... My concern about Palin, as I've said before, is that while her "unconventional" method of campaigning-via-Facebook endears her to conservative internet newshounds and of course her supporters, it does nothing to improve her image with that 10% of the voters who are independent and don't think she's qualified for office, and yes, no matter how much that 10% may be cursed, they are indispensible to a victory. So, no matter how much that 10% might be cursed as stupid or the like, they still have to pull the lever for our man (or our woman) in November 2012, and I still don't see any evidence that Palin is winning these people over -- or, in fact, doing anything plausibly calculated to do so. So my fear continues to be: She decimates all comers in the primary and then loses a very winnable election 55-45%, because she simply has not done anything to reach beyond the Republican base and strong-Republican-leaning independents. And then we all talk about how close it was for four more awful years of Obama. But my problem is there is no conceivable way to get to 51% without making a play for that missing ten percent, and a plan to go into November 2012 without that missing 10% is just a plan to lose to the socialist.

165 DrewM, you've missed the best part of the poll (as mentioned by Hotair earlier).  Obama won 52% of the vote but this poll shows only 46% of folks who voted for him and 9% who claim they can't remember who they voted for.  (52-46)/52 = 3/26 or roughly 12% of Obama voters refuse to admit that they voted for him.

166 I'll still backing Palin above all others. Her only ongoing misstep is the backing of McCain in AZ which I understand only because she is being loyal to the man. She's been resolute and right, the leading political thorn against the Progressive side when everyone was afraid to speak ill of The Precedent.

But other intriguing names for the ticket, as early as it is, would be (in no particular order) Gov. Christie (NJ), Rep. Bachmann (MN), Gov. Jindal (LA), Sen. DeMint (SC), Sen. Inhofe (OK), Rep. Ryan (WI), and Person To Be Named Later.

An experienced governor would be my top recruiting category, and some of the young guns who are earning stripes now (say Jindal, for example) are improving their stock. But any combination of the aforementioned people would be infinitely better than what we have now. Infinitely.

Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee? Fugettaboutit. They all have fatal flaws.

167 It was dark, it happened so quick. I never got a good look at the guy I voted for.

168 Romney? Huckabee? Gingrich? Palin? Can we have another option please. I like Palin, but she hasn't exactly been developing that executive experience since the last election. The others are just leftists and I'd rather cut off my left nut then vote for any of them.

169 As I said in the double-post thread, I'm for Palin mainly because she's the only option.  The other candidates either cannot win or would not have the guts to be the kind of leader we need.

Jindal is a go-along-to-get-along pol and is not trustworthy.  I do not want him on a national ticket.

170

Why is Romney always ahead in the polls? I mean the guys like invisible, not much news coverage, a book that sold about 15 copies. I just don't get it.

Two reasons:

First, most Republicans like Palin, but don't think she can win.  Therefore, they pick the only other candidate they've heard of, and that is usually either Romney or Huckabee.

Second, Romney, although he is awful at connecting with the electorate, is pretty good at making inside-ball connections.  That's why you hear so many talking heads acting as if he's the Answer.  Romney's followers had a talk with them along the lines of, "Now we know you don't want Palin or Huckabee, so we'd advise you to bring this up..."

171 Slovakian. I learned this phrase at the World Hockey Championship match between Slovakia and the USA at MSG on 03 Sep 1996.

172 I sneezed on the touchscreen and before I could do anything about, it counted my nose rocket as a vote for Obama. The poll watchers didn't care when I complained.

173 Brewer: i've argued before that she could be a good VP pick

Why?

I really don't get the Brewer love.

She dithered around before finally signing a bill that she had no hand in writing and would not have signed had she known that La Raza and the Dems in D.C would have gone into full blown I am Legend zombie mode rather than the typical foaming at the mouth she was expecting.

174 Can we have another option please.

We have to assume that we don't have any.  There are a number of conservative pipe-dream candidates, like Paul Ryan, but nobody knows who they are and they would be long shots.

175 O/T:  Obamabot friends gloating big time.   Apparently a "we won!" email was disseminated in record time as regards the financial reform bill.

176 But other intriguing names for the ticket, as early as it is, would be (in no particular order) Gov. Christie (NJ), Rep. Bachmann (MN), Gov. Jindal (LA), Sen. DeMint (SC), Sen. Inhofe (OK), Rep. Ryan (WI), and Person To Be Named Later.

I'd go for Christie, although I suspect there are a number of issues where he'd disappoint, DeMint, or Inhofe (although I feel I don't know that much about him).  My enthusiasm for Jindal has dampened.  I actually think he looks kind of weak vis a vis the oil spill.  He spent a long time waiting then whining for Fed help.  He should've acted more quickly.  Bachmann makes me nervous - maybe the smears against her have been effective in some way but she seems shrill to me. 

The one I'm enthusiastic about is Ryan.

I also like Pence. 

177

Posted by: ace at July 15, 2010 06:48 PM (SsvUp)

I agree

178 Ombudsman at 61:  Their strategy is to run against Bush.  This puts Bush back in the news.


The question I have is, how long did the publisher sit on the manuscript to ensure that it would come out during the election season? Because if there's an industry that's even more leftist than the MFM, it's the publishing houses.

179 Obamabot friends gloating big time.

You have Obamabot friends?

I'll shoot mine in the heads if they ever come near me again.

180 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 15, 2010 06:27 PM (Nr9jl)

Rant away, dear. You've earned it.  Palin's my choice as well. All of those in this poll have serious baggage. Palin's is largely manufactured by the mfm.  Palin has what's missing. Integrity. Balls of steel. Photographic memory.   Anyone who thinks she can't win is knuckling under to the MFM, who have sold that meme over and over and over and over.  Don't let them pick our candidate.  She's got work to do with those independents, however.

181 Liz Cheney.  She needs to run for office.  Governor of Wyoming?

182

We should call Mitt Romney the Gremlin candidate.

Both of them were made by George Romney, couldn't run for jack, were vaguely unpleasant to look at, had way more visibility than they should have based on quality, and lasted way longer than they should have.  And, if Mitt is nominated, he, like the Gremlin, will drag his brand down for good.

183 Ace,

I think Palin will win the primary.  She's setting it up well, and Mitt Romney is not as skilled at politics as Palin is.  His machinations are too transparent and make him look ridiculous.  Just one example is the  'Palin is not a serious human being' attack.

Palin has a lot of negatives, but the independents we need will pick her over Obama in swing states... today.  They will to it after a real campaign that shows Palin's skill.  They will do it after Obama shows them more of his special style of leadership.

But I'd happily pick someone with Palin's courage but more receptive with independents.

I do not think it makes any sense to go with Mitt Romney over Palin because his actual record proves he will not stand up to the enormous task of limiting our government and fighting Obamacare.  I think he'll be destroyed in the primary on this basis, too.  Not worried so much about that as I am in the beltway uniting to destroy Palin to keep the pork and graft going.

But Palin can beat Obama in the Electoral College, today, after the onslaught of attacks and without a campaign.

184 My enthusiasm for Jindal has dampened.  I actually think he looks kind of weak vis a vis the oil spill.  He spent a long time waiting then whining for Fed help.  He should've acted more quickly.

Jindal is a wonk and a process guy.  He will stab us in the back in a second, and has before, if he sees a "greater good" calculation in it.

185 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 15, 2010 06:56 PM (vTB8H)

I live in a completely blue place, have to have some friends and some fun...we just try not to talk about our political thoughts...and things go fine...

186

Why is Romney always ahead in the polls? I mean the guys like invisible, not much news coverage, a book that sold about 15 copies. I just don't get it.

It's the hair.

That fabulous, fabulous hair.

187 "
I really don't get the Brewer love."

It's because she is proving she can stand up to pressure.  That's very damn important these days.

188 O/T but Breitbart's been killing on Twitter:

What is the "get out of jail free" card that got Byrd, Biden, Clinton, Reid for their crossing-the-line racist comments? Answer pending...

Answer: 'Ive seen the passionate leadership [fill in blank] has shown on issues of social justice. As far as Im concerned, book is closed.'

'Social Justice' is mumbo jumbo for 'redistribution of wealth'. If you promote socialist principles you can have a lawn jockey on your lawn.

189 yeah, the chisled good looks....all the young moms find him hot...ooooo

and apparently they are the ones deciding elections the "OMG my iphone 4 is dropping calls so it must be something i'm not doing right" crowd....

190 You need qualifications to be a dogcatcher.

191 I live in a completely blue place, have to have some friends and some fun...we just try not to talk about our political thoughts...and things go fine...

Well, good luck.  All libs are backstabbing flakes sooner or later, especially if you make friends with them.  I found that out the hard way.

192 For God's sake, no more Senators on a Presidential ticket! JugEars and JFK are the only ones to win in what, the last 100 years? The US Senate is a place for lazy, corrupt shitheels of both parties to build empires of graft while avoiding any responsibility for their actions.

193 yeah, the chisled good looks....all the young moms find him hot...ooooo

Ken doll.  Since he has kids, I'm assuming he's anatomically correct, unlike Barbie's beard.

194 It makes sense that Mitt would be dominating polls.  Just look how he gets so much more popularity with Obama voters than the rest.  He's a lot more like Obama than the rest, and a lot of Obama voters are looking for a new candidate to like.

Election-wise, he is clearly the best choice.  But since he would cement the notion of intrusive government being bipartisan, it would be such a disaster.  Perhaps almost as bad as Obama winning.  Probably not that bad, but bad.

195 Palin can't win.  Every independent I know hates her.  Same with Gingrich.  It may be stupid that people hate them, but they do.  I wish people would accept that they can't win and get out of the way.
I like Ryan - wish we could convince him to run.

196

Posted by: marinemom at July 15, 2010 07:04 PM (fTykc)

I agree

197

I don't believe this poll (as you know, I'm a Palin skeptic).
I keep thinking about what you wrote concerning her lack of wonkishness.

And I thought, "Yeah, yeah. All politicians speak in generalities."

But you're right. She hasn't convinced me she can bring that level of detail to the table. I can't imagine her giving the kind of fact-filled, policy speeches that Paul Ryan does.

I think that guy would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. He's already made him look stupid more than once, including the time Obama shot him his faux tough guy death look during the health care meeting with the GOP.

That was a straight up teabagging.

 

198 O/T:  Obamabot friends gloating big time.   Apparently a "we won!" email was disseminated in record time as regards the financial reform bill.

Posted by: curious at July 15, 2010 06:55 PM (p302b)

Write back and ask them exactly what it is they think they 'won'.

199 195 For God's sake, no more Senators on a Presidential ticket! JugEars and JFK are the only ones to win in what, the last 100 years? The US Senate is a place for lazy, corrupt shitheels of both parties to build empires of graft while avoiding any responsibility for their actions.

Hey, what about me?

Oh, wait...

200

52% of voters took a chance on a guy with zero executive experience. Captain Kickass had no track record, just a lot of talk, people believed it and many are now having buyer's remorse. As such, I believe that voters will reflexively look for someone with extensive experience the next time around and that's not Palin. Although I like her, I think her lack of experience is a negative. I guess it's possible that remaining in the public eye and keeping her ideas and opinions well known might mitigate that lack of experience as she will be a known quantity but I don't know how likely that would be. The rest of those guys are either statists or statist enablers and I don't care for any of them.

I hope that someone else comes along.

201 I like Ryan - wish we could convince him to run.

So do I, but at this point there's no reason to believe HE can win either.  So it's got to be somebody, and Palin is the only obvious candidate with the necessary combination of electability and leadership.

202 Write back and ask them exactly what it is they think they 'won'.

Um, uh, we beat the teabaggers and stuff!  Yeah!  How's our asses taste conservatards?

203 Even after this whole Arizona brouhaha, Brewer still has no name recognition??

204 Palin can't win.  Every independent I know hates her.  Same with Gingrich.  It may be stupid that people hate them, but they do.  I wish people would accept that they can't win and get out of the way.

I agree.  We can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.   Palin can't win.  She just can't.  Independents hate her, as MM said, and Gingrich's negatives are in the stratosphere, damaged beyond repair.  Besides, America will never elect a president named Newt.  I know, Barack... well to the indie voter, Barack sounds cool and exotic.  Newt sound like your Jr. High janitor who tried to get the girls to fish in his pockets for candy.

205

Marinemom:  I see the problem you're talking about.  However, the actual poll by PPP tells a different story.  The people polled are real people, not hypothetical, and are more representative of the nation than your friends (since they were picked specifically to be representative).

So, while you can make arguments that Palin--or Gingrich, even though I've still got a grudge against him over his support for gun control as Speaker--can't win, the actual polls, based not on anecdote but fact, show that she can.

206 So my fear continues to be: She decimates all comers in the primary and then loses a very winnable election 55-45%, because she simply has not done anything to reach beyond the Republican base and strong-Republican-leaning independents.

That's the conventional wisdom. It's wrong. It's the Christian-socialist Huck-lovin' base of actual GOP primary voters that Palin can't get past.

She's the only potential GOP candidate with an offsetting match for Obama's death-lock on ~40% of the general electorate. I don't think she would beat him, but she could, because they start from the same spot. No one else has a chance.

And she shouldn't run. If she miraculously makes it through the primary, there's a 100% chance the election gets suicide-bombed by Bloomberg or some other New England Republican fake-independent, and the Party dies with her name on it.

Forget 2012, conservatives. It's a trap.

207 I keep thinking about what you wrote concerning her lack of wonkishness.

And I thought, "Yeah, yeah. All politicians speak in generalities."

But you're right. She hasn't convinced me she can bring that level of detail to the table. I can't imagine her giving the kind of fact-filled, policy speeches that Paul Ryan does.

Posted by: Warden at July 15, 2010 07:05 PM (QoR4a)

I like her personality but I've come to a similar opinion the more I've listened to her. Disappointing. The posts on her Facebook page are usually detailed and well presented; I just wish that she would put that kind of detail into TV or radio appearances.

208 If Obama or a deal making gutless country club Republican establishment hack wins, the country burns, so there's no point including the likes of Romney in the discussion.  Palin is the only viable option at this point, and then only if she wins by enough to cow the fools in Congress.  If the Palin-haters want someone else, the burden is on you to provide someone worthy, because the rest of the current batch simply isn't.

209 @210
Personally, I prefer "wonky" politicians, but thinking about Reagan, I don't recall him sounding wonky.

210 I reject the "Candidate XYZ can't win" statements.

It's true that some candidates are surer bets, but ANYTHING is possible. ANY candidate can win, because we have no idea what events will happen between now and the election. In March '08, Eliot Spitzer was on EVERYONE'S short list of future Dem presidential prospects. By the middle of that month, he was toast.

The dangerous version of the statement is believing that "Obama can't win". None of us should think that, not for a moment.

211 We need an accomplished, two-term, buttoned-down mid-western governor, like a Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty. 

Tout Palin's accomplishments, and I'm a fan, but the average independent voter thinks Alaska doesn't count.  Alaska has approximately the population of Charlotte, NC. and has more moose and caribou than new york has people.  The average suburban independent can't relate

212

 well to the indie voter, Barack sounds cool and exotic. 

It wasn't "Barack" that got him elected.  It was "Hussein Obama." 

Specifically, young men who were too cowardly to risk their worthless asses in battle voted Democrat out of fear of being drafted.  They picked Hussein Obama, as opposed to Hillary, both because it made them feel like tough terrorists--it helped with this crowd that "Obama" sounds like "Osama"--and also because, Vichy-like, they wanted to signal to the terrorists that they were on their side.

These cowardly young men were the ones who formed the door-to-door campaigners that won Obama the nomination and the election.

Think I'm exaggerating?  It was these vermin who backed Ward Churchill when he praised the 9/11 attacks.

213 Tout Palin's accomplishments, and I'm a fan, but the average independent voter thinks Alaska doesn't count.

Not only that, but jumping ship in the middle of her term was the worst possible thing she could have done to her chances for the presidency.  It created the perception of her as a quitter and a flake, one that is difficult to counter and that will be used against her in a national campaign.

I still think she's the best possible choice right now, but then the GOP field really is that bad.

214 Not only that, but jumping ship in the middle of her term was the worst possible thing she could have done to her chances for the presidency.

That shows she cared more for her state than her political career.We need more people like that in gov't damnit.

215 Don't forget Palin hasn't even announced she's running yet. If she has decided  she is already working in stealth campaign mode. Well I don't know if stealth is the right word but, if she is using the same technique as she did for her run for Gov of Alaska then watch out. Once and if she does announce and goes into full campaign mode it will be a whole new ball game. Just my opinion.  

216 Teresa in Fort Worth, TX: "...What this country needs right now is a leader with a servant's heart."

Very well stated and a fine perspective.

217 That shows she cared more for her state than her political career.

That's one way to interpret it, but good luck selling that.  'Cause it can also be interpreted that she ran from a fight.

218 Just wondering, how long before we start seriously considering the Option That Must Not Be Mentioned:  the Second American Revolution?

219 This simple country bumpkin's take on 2012 Part 1:

Anyone that claims to be an independent in 2012 needs a swift kick in the ass.
In times like these, being an "independent" is just another term for "too stupid to piss when your pants are on fire". Get off the fence, because the fence post is tired of your ass.

One hope we have regarding many Obama "independents" is that many of them have now had time to be arrested, tried, and incarcerated for the drugs they were taking and the other crimes they were committing in 2008. So we have that going for us, which is nice.

If Mitt Romney let a conservative make all the tough choices and then got to jump on the bandwagon two weeks later and take credit for it after focus groups and polls got finished analyzing it, he'd be a good President.
He's the Republican Bill Clinton. All pomade and parade.

Awwshucksabee should be in prison for pardoning that sick bastard and just for being a fake-country-preacher jowly pussy piece o' shit. His ideas suck too.

Newt Gingrich is Nancy Pelosi's pompous, over-educated bitch. He'd sell out conservative principles for thirty seconds of camera time and a car wash coupon. He needs to quit churning out ten books a year and learn how to change a fuckin' tire. Haven't we been complaining about eggheads running things?  Let him and the other blue-blood Republican Professors spend their time in a dark cave making Bunsen burners out of coconuts while we fix the goddamn Minnow.

I gotta go change the boy's diaper and put on Toy Story 2.

220 That's one way to interpret it, but good luck selling that.  'Cause it can also be interpreted that she ran from a fight.

Well, that is not what I was talking about, but yes, the media will indeed pull out all the stops for the Dims, as usual. Thing is though, this will be true for any Republican candidate. Don't think that they will go any easier on a Pawlenty or a Daniels.

221 I was thinking of going on a romance tour in the Ukraine to score me some sweet Ukrainian babe who would love me forever and ever and bake me American pie, but your comments are making me rethink things.

Trust me, dude, I hooked up with one and she changed my life.

222 If you go to the Ukraine, could you bring me back some of those 6' radishes that glow in the dark? These compact fluorescent lights suck ass.

223 Here's something I read today over at C4P in comments. They were discussing The Romney vs Palin thing and one person said something to this effect...I will never vote for Romney. I just won't vote. And if forced to vote I'll vote for Obama. And the was from a regular poster, My jaw dropped and about hit the keyboard. 

224

psh

Christie-Ryan.

Force that fatty to run.

225 Is it too late to nominate myself?

226 To the commenters saying Independents hate Palin. Well, in this poll PALIN BEATS OBAMA AMONG INDEPENDENTS! So obviously they don't hate her enough to make them not vote for her! DO NOT BE DEFEATIST! If you like someone else, great, but do not be bullied into not supporting her because you are afraid of independent voters.

227 Just wondering, how long before we start seriously considering the Option That Must Not Be Mentioned:  the Second American Revolution? Posted by: Ken at July 15, 2010 07:33 PM

Unfortunately, this is looking like the truly viable option.

There's no telling what shape the country and its electoral system will be in by 2012. The Repubs could field the Second Coming of George Washington -- with a healthy dose of Jefferson and Roosevelt (Theodore, the good one) thrown in -- and still get trampled at the polls by Instant-citizen border-jumpers and the DoJ-protected thugs of Osama Obama and Eric Shabazz Holder.

228 Ken@221

Certainly wait until November, and take a look at what Obama the lame duck looks like.  Probably wait until March of 2013 and note whether Obamacare has been repealed yet.

229 I have certain background critieria I'd like to see in a President.

First, we need a ten-year moratorium on Harvard.  This administration is lousy with ivy and it stinks to the high heavens.

Secondly, I would like to see someone of rural background, at least  someone who hasn't thoroughly embraced the communal-living tenets of urban life that lead us to Kelo and cap-and-trade and other such nonsense.  And I don't mean someone who got rich as a Noo Yawk lawyer then bought himself a Montana ranch from which to spout environmental platitudes while zipping around in his turbine helicopter.

Finally, I'm not completely averse to lawyers but, given candidates otherwise equally suited, I'll take the one without the JD. 

These are not absolutes, of course: I'd make an exception to some of the above points for someone like a Chris Christie.

Now I'm quite certain that if one of the creased-pants commentator contingent read this there'd be an involuntary wrinkling of the nose, snide remarks about anti-intellectualism, and a deep-seated unease about the quality of dinner parties one could expect from such an administration.  

What I see when I look at my list, though, is 'Ronald Reagan'.

230

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 15, 2010 06:27 PM (Nr9jl)

Well said, Teresa, and well done.  I'm with you.

231 "Tout Palin's accomplishments, and I'm a fan, but the average independent voter thinks Alaska doesn't count"

Fact is, the independents like Palin more than Obama.

that's proven by this poll.  Most of the independents I know like Palin more than Obama, actually.

I keep hearing people say Palin can't beat Obama, even in this thread that ... um... kinda proves otherwise.

Palin Could Win.  We'll have a better idea in a year, but people telling you she has no chance are simply mistaken.  Reagan was polling worse than this versus Carter.  We haven't even had all of Obama's dempression.  It's going to be even more clear that Palin could win.

The question will then be, is Palin really the Republican we would want, vs other Republicans?  Versus the likes of Mitt Romney, I think the answer is a resounding YES.

Versus Paul Ryan?  Well, I prefer Ryan except that he has absolutely no executive experience yet.  It's hard to say, but I would probably pick Ryan.

All I'm asking for is people to recognize the myth that Palin would get her ass kicked is born partly from fear, in Beltway republicans, all democrats, and the media, that she would actually follow through with real reform.  They are scared to death of her.  What she did in Alaska was powerful and no one else seemed to have the balls to get it done.

Anyone who says Alaska isn't a big enough state needs to remember that Bill Clinton hailed from Arkansas.  And Obama wasn't even Mayor of Chicago...

Palin can win, so automatically we have good reason to completely ignore those who have less clarity and principles and leadership.  We can write off the hucks and mitts and the other RINOs.  We don't need to be so pragmatic we elect some republican who would make many disastrous policies into bipartisan policies.

Ideally, the Christies, Brewers, Ryans, Palins all run, the Mitts are ignored, and we let the good candidates fight it out.

232 I'm likin' mein chances against zis dummkopf.

233 Also, we're told Romney can beat Obama and he polls strong today...

but his people are really, really, really stupid.  they remind me so much of Mccain's touchy upper staff.  Very gaffe prone.

Palin may get the brunt of attacks, but when you see her or her people say shit, they aren't royally pissing off everyone and their dog.  Mitt's people recently said Palin isn't a serious human being.  Why in the hell would someone savvy in politics and trying to win a GOP primary say some that?  A lot of Palin fans are simply defensive as fucking hell.  Mitt's an amateur who looks good but never showed much skill beyond fund raising.  And yeah, everyone took up for him because that asshole huckabee is a bigot.

'not a serious human being'?  are you fucking kidding me?  She's so pro life she's raising a retard.  She's so forgiving she's gracious to that asshole Levi.  She's so devoted to her state that she resigned power and took on tremendous personal liability because that was the only way her state could be administrated.

She's serious, but I guess she looks kinda like a bimbo so that's the obvious attack for an amateur operation like Mitt's.  you won't hear Palin's people say shit about Mitt being a weirdo Ken doll, because that wouldn't be a long term success.

If you have someone in mind who shows more commitment than Palin, and can put together a competent campaign, I am totally on board.

234 Palin has had the full Alinsky done to her and she not only ties Obama, but her approvals are gradually rising. She may even be developing some immunity to the constant attack.  If any of the others get the nomination, they will be Alinskyd and they may not survive it. You need to take this into account in evaluating this poll.

If Obama were as effective leading as he is campaigning for office, this country would be in great shape. Unfortunately, all he knows how to do is campaign, but perhaps you learn nothing else as a community organizer.

235 Christie, Palin, Brewer, Ryan would all be OK.

Romney or Huckabee and I vote for Obama so we can just put a merciful end to the Republic as quickly as possible.  No one involved in destroying the health care system of a state or country is qualified to serve.  That is the minimal threshold requirement.

Gingrich I would have to think about. 

Also, don't assume Obama won't get a primary challenge or will not be impeached before the next election.  He is one scandal away from oblivion and if it turns out Holder and company have given instructions not to prosecute black defendants when their victims are white as has been alleged then there is nothing that will save him.  If the Pubbies get enough votes to launch investigations the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down because Obama doesn't believe there are limits to his power.  The abuses that will be uncovered will be staggering.

I wouldn't rule out the Democrats leading the charge to impeach him just so they can get a viable candidate for the next election.  They will do anything to hold onto power and it doesn't look like their voter importation scam is going to work before the next election..

236 I agree with Hmmmmmmmmm,

It would be hard to vote for Romney over Obama.  and I'm not one of those purists... I just think it would be a real disaster to have Obamacare or other policies of Obama's not fought.  Romney really does have a hard time taking a stand against pressure.  This explains his entire career.

"If any of the others get the nomination, they will be Alinskyd and they may not survive it. You need to take this into account in evaluating this poll."

This is a great point, too.  I don't think Palin can be attacked much more than she has.  It's all out there, and she's overcome it to the point where she's tied with Obama... even though he has a 24/7 campaign and fawning coverage and she's running a stealth campaign at best.

I honestly would prefer Christie, Ryan, or a couple others OVER Palin, but wonder if they can survive the attacks.  Even if they could do so just as Palin has, the timing of the attacks might disfavor them... taking months longer to overcome.  With Palin, we've heard it all and accepted it. 

237

It's not that any of the Republican candidates are particularly well liked. Only Huckabee has positive favorability numbers at 37/28. Romney's at 32/33, Gingrich at 32/42, Palin at 37/52, and Brewer at 17/20. But with a majority of Americans now disapproving of Obama it's no surprise that a large chunk of them would replace him as President if they had that choice today.

You have one hell of bench.

You have to be real proud of that line up.

 

238

 With Palin, we've heard it all and accepted it. 

Accepted what? Heard what? She hasn't said anything substantive from day one.

239

My prediction for the 2012 election: a GOP resistable force meets The Messiah's movable object. 

Whoever wins, we lose.

240 Yah, you've got to be wondering if any of the other, non-Palin candidates are on tape saying something really lousy even before it's edited. Trust me, it's happened to much better people than them.

241 Peter, you are a nutcase.  The fact is, if you approved of someone, it would mean they must be pretty fucking awful.

I love that Palin makes you so angry (and don't deny it, she makes you wet your panties).

I fucking love it.  And so will the American people.  Every nutcase that came out to say 'If Obama wins, the 'black' will take over' led to a million more Obama votes, and the same will be true for Palin.  Americans love repudiating the dickwads.

You say Palin hasn't said anything substantive as if that's all it takes to erase all her work.  Good luck with that, buddy.

242

 She's so pro life she's raising a retard.  - Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 15, 2010 08:33 PM (dUOK+)

I don't usually go all-in for PC-Speak and all that, but that was WAY out of line.  You had me up until that point.....

 

243 Romney/Palin '12; Hillary/whoever '16; Palin/Whoever '20

244 226 Here's something I read today over at C4P in comments. They were discussing The Romney vs Palin thing and one person said something to this effect...I will never vote for Romney. I just won't vote. And if forced to vote I'll vote for Obama. And the was from a regular poster, My jaw dropped and about hit the keyboard. 

Posted by: sig at July 15, 2010 07:44 PM (2i+Vz)

That is exactly how I feel. If it is Romney v. Obama, I'll vote third party or leave the president blank.

245 Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater had a wife and wouldn't eater so he became a homo. NTTIAWWT

246 "

 She's so pro life she's raising a retard.  - Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 15, 2010 08:33 PM (dUOK+)

I don't usually go all-in for PC-Speak and all that, but that was WAY out of line.  You had me up until that point.....

 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 15, 2010 09:52 PM (Nr9jl)

Hey, what can I say.  I'm not really a Palin like mind on many issues, to be honest.

I like her solely because I think she will follow through on limited government and some basic reforms.   I actually find her annoying on a viceral level, but I would vote for her in a heartbeat anyway because, frankly, she can take the heat. 

And anybody who is going to actually clean up this trainwreck is going to feel the burn of a thousand suns.  Same reason I can't vote for Romney.  He would probably make it much harder to actually reform the government, and he obviously just can't take the heat.

I'm thinking of Palin in the pragmatic sense rather than the purist.  I would vote for a pro-choice candidate.  I would vote for Romney if he hadn't shown his inability to stay the course on ... anything.

247 Romney/Palin 2012 is not as compelling as it felt a year ago (when a Hail Mary pass seemed much more vital), but there's still a logic to it--IF Palin can defang herself in the next two years (in the eyes of the non-right.

I still think Romney can win the primaries if he forcefully, coherently clarifies where he stands; explains he had a veto to deal with as MA Governor; and explains that, while MA's healthcare may not have improved much, it's mandate amounts, essentially to an additional income tax that you can opt-out of by showing you have health insurance.

248 Paris, if Romney can actually beat Palin in a primary I will be very impressed.  So far, his people look like complete morons and his campaign has been embarassing.  Remember, he lost last time for a reason, and he's done nothing since then but a lot of behind the scenes stuff (that I do appreciate).

This 'Not a serious human being' gaffe hasn't been backed off of and Romney hasn't really come out to explain why his underlings are idiots.  Makes me think he doesn't have the chops.  He doesn't really make direct attacks, either.  How is he going to beat Palin in a debate?  I know I'm supposed to believe Palin isn't ready for that kind of thing, but her debate performance is stronger than Romneys (check youtube... just my opinion).

I hope we can find someone better than Palin... she does turn off some voters we could get.  But let's be honest: Romney turns off voters too.  One example if this attempt you're making to explain Romneycare.  Obamacare needs to be opposed on a fundamental level, and Romney can't hope to do it when he's making mealy mouthed 'consistent and clear' excuses for his leadership of MA.  We all know he won't do shit about Obamacare. 

I also know, for a fact, that Palin will not pick Romney for her VP.  I don't think Romney has a shot at being the nominee, but the way his people are talking about Palin has burned that bridge right away.  People saying that Romney being the nominee and picking Palin as some kind of consolation sidekick come across as disingenuously trying to suck some of that Palin support into their favorite candidate.  It's just not gonna happen.  Romney has much worse executive experience and isn't a better as a politician... he's much better at raising funds than anyone I've ever seen other than Obama, but that's not really something I like about him.

Why Romney?  What about this guy attracts people?  He's so flip floppy and vague that he doesn't threaten Obama voters very much.  Is that a good thing?  Can be be counted on to fight the good fight when the going gets incredibly tough?  If so, why has he always taken the positions that are most popular to the demographic he is trying to win support from?  Where's the example of Romney making a hard choice?  What's Romney going to do if he gets the attacks Palin has weathered successfully for so long?  He's going to fold like a cheap table.

Oh we,, Paris, I'm glad you're coming around on Palin.  Everyone does eventually.  That's why she's going to beat Obama, and why the polls tell a completely different story than the Mitt fans claimed they would.

249 I just want to add, I think Paris does have a point that Romneycare is fundamentally less evil than Obamacare.  Federalism, of course.  It's better to do a terrible government intrusion at the state level than to force it on the entire country.

Still... that's not high praise, is it?  Romneycare is a disaster and romney admits he won't do what must be done with Obamacare.

Frankly, I think Romney is the enemy more than  think Obama is.  I think a lot of people on the right do.  We know this isn't really fair.  The democrats are spending so much more and being so much more ruinous than most flip flop RINOs would be.  But this effective defense against liberalism, the GOP, has been overrun by these career politicians who crave power for power's sake and don't seem to have any core principles.  Their failure just stings more, for whatever reason.  We've always had this group of greedy populists on the left... I expect no more or less than that.  I expect more from conservatives.  It's on the right that you'll find the real sickness in this country... the real reason Obama won the presidency and was able to bring a lot of trouble to the nation's future.

250 "happy people make people more happy"

Mark my words: this is more intelligent than whatever Obama uses for his 2012 slogan.

"Dreams and Progress"

"Peace and Nature"

"Republicans are Racist".

251 Um, he's not trailing Palin. He's either tied with her, or leading her.

252 Just wondering, how long before we start seriously considering the Option That Must Not Be Mentioned:  the Second American Revolution?

If the 2010 or 2012 elections are stolen by the Democrats, self-preservation requires that we overturn those election results, whether by lawsuit, civil disobedience, secession, or revolution.

If the elections are fair, but the Democrats win anyway, self-preservation requires exactly the same thing. Our way of life is fatally endangered by the Democratic Party as it presently exists -- it's them or us.

Yes, the first case above has some basis in law -- you don't have to respect an illegal election -- and the second does not. So what? Would you rather be in compliance with the law, or live in a non-Communist country?

253

Peter, you are a nutcase.  The fact is, if you approved of someone, it would mean they must be pretty fucking awful.

I love that Palin makes you so angry (and don't deny it, she makes you wet your panties).

I fucking love it.  And so will the American people.  Every nutcase that came out to say 'If Obama wins, the 'black' will take over' led to a million more Obama votes, and the same will be true for Palin.  Americans love repudiating the dickwads.

You say Palin hasn't said anything substantive as if that's all it takes to erase all her work.  Good luck with that, buddy.

At least you admit she hasn't said anything substantive, that's a start.

What work. Are you serious!! How long have you been living on this planet.

With her disapproval numbers I would love to see her run. She's a joke.

254 Peter, I don't WANT you to like Palin.

If you really think she's never accomplished anything or said anything substantial, you're just a nutcase.  I don't see why a Palin supporter would even mind.  It's like saying the sky isn't blue... of course someone on the internet is just going to pretend, but the reality is well known on this.

Keep pretending... it will probably make our victory more sweet.  Just imagine, someone you don't think has any accomplishments and can't even talk is tied with Obama.  He must be the worst president in history.

255

Dear duOK+, Chili Corn Chips, Legendary Former blah, blah, blah.....

What I meant about the "Raising a retard" comment was that I happen to be the mother of a child with Down syndrome.  While I am not into PC-speak and all of that crap, it is still highly insensitive to use that phrase.  I don't mind the word "retarded" - it is a medically/scientifically accurate term. 

If you knew my daughter - and others like her - I would hope that you have enough humanity within you to speak of her as a "child with Down syndrome", a "disabled child", or even a "retarded child", rather than a "retard".  The phrase that you chose to use does hurt these kids whenever they hear it.

By using that particular phrase, you are doing yourself no favors in the credibility department.....

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