Beat the RINO, beat the RINO, beat the RINO!!!!  Ha, Ha, Ha.

No need to get over confident.  Just got to beat the RINO!!

True patriots!!  Go out and vote Tuesday!!

What the hell, give her a shot.

We've seen what selling out conservative principles got the GOP. Maybe they need to try standing up for real limited government, not that watered-down, democrat lite bullshit. 

Well sure- a RINO in the Senate will probably vote just like a Democrat. But but but....a RINO will give Obama that wonderful "bi-partisan" cover for all of the shitty policies these moderate fuck-tards love to vote for! Oh wait..... Damn it! A RINO is still better than a Democrat!Right? .....right? ......uhm right? Somebody call McCain.......

McCain. Graham. Snowe. Collins. Specter.

What does this list teach us?

Hey, with RINO's in the Senate - who needs Democrats?

Funny, I thought the idea was to beat the Democrat.

Funny, I haven't been able to distinguish a RINO from a Democrat in the last 20 years.

Oh wait- the RINO's are the ones who have made the Republican Party indistinguishable from the Democrats. NOW I remember!

Why are RINO's more damaging than a Democrat?

RINO's not only vote like Democrats- they also damage the Republican brand in the process. Or have the lessons of the last twenty years been lost on you moderate mush-heads? 

Posted by: toby928 at September 12, 2010 10:39 PM (S5YRY)

Paul has a hefty lead in KY, though he's batshit insane. He is still better than a Democrat, I support him, and KY is red. Angle is well-known in NV, a swing state, and I'm not convinced Tarkanian or Lowden would have fared better against Reid, a powerful incumbent with the full weight of a well-organized state and national apparatus behind him. DE is blue, though. Someone with a thin resume and Tea Party talking points stands no chance. Especially when that person is crazier  than Ron and Rand Paul put together.

And the moral of this story is:  Sometimes you just gotta stand for what is right! 

Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist but, heh, I believe in miracles -- and I know that every now and then, God likes to make a bold statement. 

Let's see: It's better to vote for a RINO because an unpredictable traitor who can easily be bought is somehow better than the enemy?

This was a bad call by Palin.  Why burn any of her cred on this flakey candidate? 

Oh, well.  Can't get 'em all correct.

Posted by: Glaucon at September 12, 2010 11:13 PM (mP9Rx)

And that's different than a RINO's vote how.....?

I mean other than the RINO giving Obama "bi-partisan" cover and utterly destroying the Republican brand even further.....

You want to know why a lot of people would rather have O'Donnell on the ticket instead of Castle?

Where is Castle getting some advice from ?   Good ole Murky in AK.

Where did Castle spend his day today campaigning?   Well, there weren't many Republicans there.

Voters here greeted Castle like an old friend, with most calling him by his first name and offering him encouragement ahead of Tuesday, but it was tough to find Republicans in the Arts Festival crowd. 

http://tiny.cc/pzmup

I don't have a dog in this hunt other than how it affects the country.   If I did, I would still vote my principals.   And Castle doesn't have any.

We've tried it the Mushy-Ass Moderate way long enough. Thanks to that shit the GOP brand is in the toilet and a fucking Marxist man-boy is in the White House. 

Now it's time to try it the Conservative way.

So you can either lead, follow, or join the fucking Democrats. This trains rolling baby! You can either be on it- or under it.

We've tried it the Mushy-Ass Moderate way long enough. Thanks to that shit the GOP brand is in the toilet and a fucking Marxist man-boy is in the White House. 

You stupid asshole.  We all hate moderates, but that's all we can get in DE. 

Posted by: Burberry scarf at September 12, 2010 11:23 PM (2qjni)

Funny, that's what we were told when we were encouraged to back McCain.

How'd that work out for us?

If we need Castle to obtain a majority in the Senate, we don't deserve the senate majority. 

What is wrong with this picture?    WTF do you think you said here?  (Hint: The two halves of your sentence have nothing to do with one another.  See if you can understand.)

You stupid asshole.  We all hate moderates, but that's all we can get in DE. 

Well then fuck-tard, let the "moderate" be a Democrat instead of a RINO who will just drag the Republican name down even further.

Oh wait- the difference between a "Moderate" and a Democrat is what again? 

Funny, that's what we were told when we were encouraged to back McCain.

How'd that work out for us?

Look, this dumb asshole thinks the McCain-Obama election sheds some light on what is going on in fucking DELAWARE.

I can't believe you people are freaking out like this over DE, for criminy's sake.

How the hell do you have the nerve to blame a potential loss of the Senate on this race.    Are there not other Senate races that could be the one that causes us to lose the majority?

Jeebus, this actually may be the only year we have that gives us the chance to put as many conservatives as possible in Congress.    The country is madder this year than any year I can remember, and I've been around, probably, for a lot more of them than most of you.

Besides how many of you actually live in DE?   It's fucking up to them.  

Jeez, get a grip.

I live in Ohio as you can tell by my moniker.  We have Voinivich.  I heard today that son of a bitch will be reaching across the aisle to be the 60th vote for the new small business bill the Dems are pushing right now.  Nothing demoralizes our side more than knowing the guy you voted for over the Dem is helping the Dems.  He's retiring.  He doesn't give a flying you know what.  It's  not the first time either.  He joined McAmnesty in the gang of 14 and a bunch of other Rino shit.  Screw the Rino's.  I'd rather march on the enemy with people I can trust.  And who knows,  Maybe she can win.

BTW,The Small business bill gives tax breaks to small business to them if they spend their money the way the government wants them to.

Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2010 11:21 PM (lV4Fs)

Ain't gonna get enough to override a presidential veto.

Won't be able -- even if they have the courage -- to bring the pain that the debt is gonna require.

Look, this dumb asshole thinks the McCain-Obama election sheds some light on what is going on in fucking DELAWARE.

Look, this fuck-tard thinks a DELAWARE RINO will save the GOP.

Well then fuck-tard, let the "moderate" be a Democrat instead of a RINO who will just drag the Republican name down even further.

Oh wait- the difference between a "Moderate" and a Democrat is what again? 

You reason like a 12 year old, you ignorant vulgarian.  After our push for Miller over Murkowski around here, you think you can question our conservatism? 

I already know what kind of thinker you are, and I could script your posts  from here on out.  Whenever someone makes a specific point, say, about flakery, you'll move like Jell-O.  Because you aren't arguing from a rational standpoint.  That willingness to pull out all the rhetorical stops shows your basic dishonesty.

Take another look at what you wrote, and try to think of how it makes any sense whatsoever:  Let Castle be a Democrat, since RINOs drag down the whole party.  Well, brilliant. 

Step aside, Einstein, there's a new kid on the block. 

Look, this fuck-tard thinks a DELAWARE RINO will save the GOP.

Where did I say anything about saving the GOP, dumbfuck?

Listen, if you want to have a rational discussion, you have to respond to what people are say, not YOUR VERSION of what they're saying.  Get it? 

Remember what I said about Jell-O.

wow, you guys are so stoopid I can'tt believe it. We have a chance at winning a seat in DE ? DE remember?  Wow. just incredibly stoopid. O'Donnell has no fucking chance.  Angle has no fucking chance in NV.  2 easy pickups and people want to give it up because Castle and Sue Lowden are not so pure ?  Well, I wish you guys well because it will suck on Nov 3 when Harry Reid and Pelosi are still in power. Democrats will woop it up real good when they keep their majority.

"The difference between someone who'll vote for what we want 50% of the time versus someone who'll vote for it 0% of the time.  Coons is, as noted above, a Biden clone, a total doctrinaire leftard."

50% of the time your ass. Factor out the slide to the Right during campaign time and you'll be lucky if the RINO vote is 10%. And even then- the policy matter of the 10% is questionable.

Dumbfuck, enlighten us.  Explain exactly what McCain in the presidential has to do with fucking Delaware.  Now's your chance to shine, dummy.

Listen, if you want to have a rational discussion, you have to respond to what people are say, not YOUR VERSION of what they're saying.  Get it? 

You're saying shit- and I'm giving you shit back, Jell-O Head.

Voting for the fucking RINO has wrecked the Republican Party. So what the fuck is an unpredictable RINO from Delaware going to do for us other than fuck us like a Democrat.

Oh but wait- RINO's haven't repeatedly fucked us in the past have they moron. No of course not.

No matter how the DE race turns out, the blatant across-the-media coordination of that sudden and unnecessary anti-O'Donnell outbreak has let us know who's on RinoList, who aspires to be on it, and who's afraid to be ganged up on by it—just like the new, out-of-nowhere anti-Boehner smear campaign tells us precisely who's the White House's bitch, and to exactly what degree.

Information is good.

Dumbfuck, enlighten us.  Explain exactly what McCain in the presidential has to do with fucking Delaware.  Now's your chance to shine, dummy.

McCain was a fucking "moderate" aka RINO that gave no clear Conservative contrast to Obama.

Now shine your fucking ass retard.

this situation sucks.

I think O'Donnell might win, then will get destroyed in the general election. It will be one time i will take no pride in saying i told you so.

The more I learn about her the less I like. She''s not Joe Miller, she isn't a hill worth dying on.

btw in case people have not noticed, democrats wer able to get their majority by accepting/supporting anti-abortion candidates. Demcorats don't care as long they can get the hammer and drive their agendas.  They supported candidates like Casey in PA because he helped get them the majority thus the power to drive their agendas.

Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at September 12, 2010 11:43 PM (RC7LR)

Why don't you put me some knowledge, asshole, since you think your opinion is the only right one.

I know what is at stake for this country.   I, also, know that acting like a bunch of idiots over this one race is moronic, to use your word.   You can get pissed off and be a jerk to people, but it sure as hell doesn't prove your point or move anyone to your side.

Personally, at this point, I don't give a flying shit what happens in DE.   All the fucking assholes slinging shit like damn chicken littles running around screaming the sky is falling is counterproductive.

you aint gonna to win WV,  not this year or next year.

It depends, but Raese has closed the gap quickly. The state went for Bush, and they primaried out Mollohan. WV hates the Obama agenda, and they know a Democrat will screw the coal industry.

If Raese can convince the mountaineer people that Manchin and Obama are butt buddies, he has a chance.

They really don't care for Obama there.

You're saying shit- and I'm giving you shit back, Jell-O Head.

See.  All you have to do is respond to the version of what I said that exists in your peanut brain.  I told you what would happen.  You haven't dealt with any specifics, because you can't.  Debating numbskulls like you is like trying to pin Jell-O to a wall. 

I asked you to back up you point about the relationship between the McCain-Obama election and freaking DE.  You can't, so you won't.  Yet you'll keep on trying to act like you have something to say.  That's because you're dishonest.

I take that back in part.  There are two other option:  You could be stupid or stupid-dishonest, not merely dishonest.  I think it's stupid-dishonest.  In any case, it's obvious who you are.  You don't care at all about discussing these issues rationally.  And, unfortunately, you're pretty damned proud of your noismaking.  Go look in the mirror; think about your rhetoric, and say this three times:  "I'm half as clever as I think."  

Geez, it's almost as if you work for her campaign.

McCain was a fucking "moderate" aka RINO that gave no clear Conservative contrast to Obama.

Now shine your fucking ass retard.

And now... the conclusion of your argument?  You were comparing that election to DELAWARE.  Shine on!  Show us your point isn't simply the effluent from that shitsome cloaca in your head.

I take that back in part.  There are two other option:  You could be stupid or stupid-dishonest, not merely dishonest.  I think it's stupid-dishonest.  In any case, it's obvious who you are.  You don't care at all about discussing these issues rationally.  And, unfortunately, you're pretty damned proud of your noismaking.  Go look in the mirror; think about your rhetoric, and say this three times:  "I'm half as clever as I think."  

You like the smell of your own farts don't you rdbrewer.

I'm sorry, did you say something? 

Q. E. D.

Now it's your turn to shine like the polished turd you are rdbrewer.

Tell yer momma all the good things the RINO's have done for the Republican Party.

Go ahead cheese-ball, shine on you crazy shit-stain! 

You seem to think I'm on O'Donnell's side on this issue. I'm not. I think she's a complete nutcase. But, I also see that Castle is a complete and utter lost cause

We'll get a few votes out of him, Pipe.  None out of the Donk.

West Virginia went for McCain, and Bush both times. Why is it unwinnable?

I wish this was actually a fight worth having.

O'Donnell isn't worth it.

She isn't competent.

We'll get a few votes out of him, Pipe.  None out of the Donk.

Really Jell-O Head?

Which "votes" will we get?

And which ones will stab us in the back?

Now shine yer ass son.

nunch of RINO posters here

There aren't any RINOs in the whole fucking place.  Get that through your skull.  Go back and read the posts about Miller-Murkowski.  Geezus.

You guys, wFMDa is a child or a child at heart.

Like I said, wFMDa, QED.

Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at September 13, 2010 12:05 AM (RC7LR)

You responded to my post by doing nothing more than trying to insult me.   I've read every single one of the posts, and what I'm telling you is that opinions are like assholes.  

Instead of actually debating each other, what you are doing, intertwined in your so-called debates, is insulting each other and acting like asses. 

That was the point I was trying to make, but since you're so quick to be the asshole, I can see how you missed it.

There aren't any RINOs in the whole fucking place.  Get that through your skull.  Go back and read the posts about Miller-Murkowski.  Geezus.

Why so cranky Jell-O Head?

Did you pinch off an rdbrewer in yer pant's again child?

I wish this was actually a fight worth having.

O'Donnell isn't worth it.

She isn't competent.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 12:12 AM (mHQ7T)

That's possible too - though looking at Murky and Crist it looks like a road "moderates" are more likely to take.

Mike Castle voted FOR S-Chip.

Mike Castle voted FOR Cap-and-Trade.

Mike Castle voted FOR the $700 billion TARP bill.

Mike Castle voted AGAINST the surge in Iraq.

Mike Castle voted to ban incandescent light bulbs.

Mike Castle voted to investigate George W Bush for impeachment for “lying” about Iraq.

After ObamaCare was passed into law, Mike Castle refused to support its Repeal.

Somebody posted McCain got 38% of Delaware.

So, a moderate Republican only gets 38%.

Wouldn't it be better to run a conservative and give folks a choice?

It baffles me when alleged conservatives tout Castle as a possiblity to win DE.

Again, to what end?  Do you not have conviction of your values?  Are you not willing to fight for them?

What really pissed off conservatives in this race is when online "conservatives" set about trashing O'Donnell.  Not touting Castle, but saying O'Donnell was sooooo bad we had to take Castle.  They sounded like DEMOCRATS when they described conservatives.  We don't need a fifth column in the conservative movement.

And they stated Castle wasn't so bad.  Not a major RINO, but RINO light.  Best that we could get in DE.  So, we might as well just throw our principles out the window and accept the inevitable--Mike Castle.

I would rather fight for O'Donnell than settle for Castle.  Elections are also for educating voters.  In '64 Goldwater lost, but we later got Reagan.  And Reagan won DE.

I am tired of the pissant losers who don't have the intelligence or stomach to argue for conservative leadership.  If Castle wins the primary, then fine.  Back Castle.  But until that bitter day, I would rather fight for O'Donnell.

arhooley.

i hadn't seen that.

jeez.

Funny isn't it?

All of a sudden "Moderates" start using the same pundit rhetoric as Libtards against Conservatives.

Awfully revealing..... isn't it.

Posted by: Soona at September 13, 2010 12:23 AM (x/Rm4)

*stands up & cheers*    Bravo!!!

That powerline post is well worth reading, its a microcosm of the fight we're having here.

C'mon.  This isn't a fight.  It's just a lively discussion........with guns.

If Arlen Specter was the only person who could beat Boxer, I'd take him in a New York minute. 

Oh brilliant Jell-O Head.

So when Specter (as a Republican) votes for Libtard policies- the entire Republican Party takes a hit. That's worked out really swell all these years hasn't it moron.

It's going to be Coons or Castle.

pick one.

this isn't a debate, its going to happen. The sooner you resign yourselves to that fact, the easier it will be.

Forget ideology of Castle and O'Donnell just for one second. Just look at them as candidates. She has no appeal outside of the conservative base. She isn't a very good speaker, doesn't have a very good track record, hasn't been able to stand up to much criticism from right leaning outlets, and seems to have trouble making financial disclosures, house payments, college payments, etc.

She isn't worth it. She is a bad candidate. If she wins, she will lose.

Castle on the other hand has a track record everyone in the state is familiar with. He has run for and won almost every electable position in the state. He is popular with the people of Delaware. Politics aside, he is a good candidate.

He might be an Olypia Snowe, but he will be far better than a Joe Biden, whose seat is being filled by this election.

why can't we take this gift and be happy with it?

The left leaning democrats put up with the blue dogs, and Nelson in the Senate, and look what they got. Healthcare, two Left wing supreme court justices, and all the free money they could steal.

Maybe we should put up with a senator from Delaware who occasionally votes with us on the big issues of the day.

good night.

"On the upside...it'll all be over one way or another on Tuesday"

Good to know you think conservatives have a winning message.

Making the government (much) smaller is my goal. A Republican majority is the way to do that. However a Republican majority doing the liberals' bidding and debating their arguments instead of our own is not going to cut it any longer. If they can't a third party will form.

How do we ever win (I mean actually make government smaller - that's my goal not Republicans in power) if we don't press our issues. What are your issues? Do you want smaller government? Is Castle the way to get there?

If smaller government is not your goal why do you present yourselves as though it is?

I would rather have Benedict Arnold in my Army than allow the enemy to have another canon!

After all..... how much damage could a traitor do?

Hey, DE Republicans:  Scoob sez might as well throw your votes away, since the candidate with a better chance of winning won't win in the general. 

Show 'em what you stand for!  That'll larn 'em good.  If you're going to drown in a pit of mud, might as well flip the bird instead of stroking like mad for the shore.

lowandslow

Back atcha asshole.

My my my!

You "Moderates" are sounding possitively radical in here!

You're on fire today.  Enjoy crying your dumbass eyes out when Harry Reid clobbers Angle and then get voted majority leader by new Senator Coons who beat down O'Donnell.  Then you can wipe your tears with that Don't Tread on Me blanket you cling too and go back to checking your anal prophylactic.

Is that you Kos?

I'd recognize that "Moderate" lisp anywhere.

The Hispanic Gala followed by the Congressional Black Caucus award dinner? When's my party?

They'll let all of us lesser Americans (typical white taxpayers) stand around in the kitchen afterwards and let us drink what's left in the glasses.  Watch out for those cigerette butts!

This isn't about O'Donnell. This is about principles.

Conservatives have much work to do. Education, the press, popular culture and institutional government are all in liberals hands and have been for a very long time. They got there because they were unfailing in prclaming and standing by their sole principle of progressivism. Race, feminism etc were and are all just means to an end.

How do you ever expect anybody to take our (your?) principles seriously if you are willing to abandon them for an empty victory? Believe me they don't. I think your principles and fungable and I'm a conservative. Any smart liberal will know that your priniples are very negotiable (always in their direction - not ours).

everybody already know you're a thinkprogress sockpuppet.
nobody is that big a moron or that pathetic at making arguments
heck, some of your SSP people are even admitting that your minimum wage asses are on here:  dumbass or sockpuppet

Now there you go again Zombie.

Are all you "Moderates" this paranoid and radical?

Why don't you and rdbrewer skip on down the road and give each other the ole lowandslow like a good little band of "Moderate" gals?

M-kay.

Oh and- give Frum and Charlie Johnson a kiss while yer at it. 

Oh yeah, calling your opponetn  'un-manly' and telling him this is "not a bake-off, get your man-pants on" is totally prim and proper.

Jeezuz Zombie.

You even whine like a little fucking Libtard!

You make Kos sound positively manly.

*sigh*  ...it's sad really......

I am bloodthirsty now, I want all commie-libs dead.  And any Republican that votes with them regularly, agitates FOR them to the press, and who WORKS deliberately against conservatives....must be buried along side their lib friends.

I understand where you're coming from.  But I'd submit we can't afford to make territorial decisions with out limbic systems.  Half a cup is cetainly better than none at all.  Like I said above, if you're drowning, why waste energy flipping the bird?  You'll just drown.  Instead, keep stroking for the shore.

We stand a better chance of advancing the cause with Castle.

How do manage to get yourself dressed in the morning?

...with you hiding outside my window ZombieKos.

But hey, you already knew that.

This isn't about O'Donnell. This is about principles.

It's not about principles in the short-term.  Think long-term principles.  We stand a better chance of getting our principles through Congress--in the form of actual laws--with Castle than the Donk.

Screw it. I was afraid that if O'Donnell won we would lose this chance for this seat. Fuck it. Castle can go fuck himself. If this is how we have to win then forget it. Castle is worse than a Rino....

Go back to your cave.

CashAndCarry

Serious Cat.

Ok it's DE. Don't expect to ever have your 'principles' win the day if you don't have the courage of your convictions. You do have those right?

Since fear of defeat prevents us from presenting our arguments in DE then obviously we souldn't present them in NY, CA, NJ, ME, IL, MD, MA, VT,  RI, HI, MI, WI, MN, WA, OR, NH and CT. That's a majority of the country. We might as well surrender.

Castle will debate with the libs about a slightly smaller tax increase or a slightly smaller expansion of government. He will not debate about actually making government smaller. Some victory.

I believe in smaller government. I believe in the message of smaller government. Everywhere.

This is a blue with political calculus that needs to be taken into account.  Your choices are probably either Castle or Coons (except you get to feel super special for your ideological purity in the face of having the actual legislation go the other way)

Like I said, the general mood in this election is extrordinary.  My question is:  If O'Donnell wins, would you vote for her in November, sit it out, or vote for the democrat? You RINO supporters are just so hard to predict.  There's always that lack of core principles that all of you seem to have.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2010 01:18 AM (fQUbO)

Gladly!

"Gotta have electable candidates. Let's take half a loaf. "

Isn't that the mentality that gave us Presidential candidate John McCain?

You don't defeat out-of-control Liberals hell-bent on a socialist agenda by opposing them with a "moderate' ideology.

That's not a roadblock to the Marxist bastards- it's a mere speed bump.

Posted by: Bob at September 13, 2010 01:18 AM (4DoFz)

Maybe just really, really pissed off.

Voting for the lesser evil has worked out so well.

rdbrewer

I am thinking about long term principles. How do you ever expect anybody to take them seriously if you don't?

I don't think you are very serious about them and I'm a conservative. Liberals see you are very willing to negotiate them.

Castle will but only in their direction. Not ours. Theirs is a position of strength. They control everything and they will smell weakness. How to you ever expect to win? By that I mean make government smaller not committee chairmanships. That is what you want right?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  It's O'Donnell's supporters who are loudly proclaiming they'd rather see a Democrat win the seat than Castle, and it's O'Donnell herself who won't rule out running third-party if she loses the primary.

It's hilarious.  You O'Donnell shitheads love to whine about RINOs, when in fact you are the biggest RINOs of all.  You're worse than useless to us.

As I said the other day:  A vote for Castle is a vote for a democrat.

Dude, this isn't about bravery.  And you've got the short-view on principles.  I'd say the real principled person would vote for the candidate that is more likely to assist in getting actual legislation passed.  Since your principles are embodied in the laws that get passed.  Maybe not all of it, btw, but some of it. 

There is no greek chorus to sing your praises for a tragic defeat.  "He lost in November, but he stood his ground in September."  But if there was, it would sing, "He had the wisdom to accept half a cup in September, and now in November he's going to get down some great fuckin' leglislation shoved through fuckin' Congress."  Greek choruses sing like that, right?

   I agree to disagree at this point. The media says she's "crazy." Somehow I'm not one to listen much to them at this time.

Good point.  One could also ask the question:  Who is the MFM and the Republican royalty in DC more afraid of; Castle or O'Donnell?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2010 01:34 AM (fQUbO

Why is this so hard to believe?  Shit like this is still happening to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Gride at September 13, 2010 01:38 AM (DTyjM)

Here's one more suited for you, retard.

Posted by: John Adams, Esq. at September 13, 2010 01:39 AM (DCQ0q)

Not anymore. Cornyn convinced me. Never again.

You will come around in a few more election cycles.

This is an old, old, argument with Republicans, and we are always waiting for just one more or two more elections. 

You're going to tell me what it means to be a Republican?  You know, there are people around here calling other RINO's, and you know what?  There isn't a damned RINO in the house.  Not one.

And our "cause" is never realized.

So let's fall on our swords while we have 'em.  You're wrong, of course.  Back in '80, we ejected a few people like Frank Church.  We do it all the time.  It's an ongoing process.  And we can never give up.  We have to think practically for the greatest gain.

Die on your sword if you want, fair knight.  But I shall not sing your praises. 

In the meantime more and more citizens are falling prey to government welfare and government employment.  We are running out of patriot voters.

See my comment re Frank Church.  Think about welfare reform in the '90s.  We put a stop it before, and we'll do it again.  We'll never quit.  It's less overwhelming an enemy on the battlefield than it is whack-a-mole.

NOW is the time to remove any and all threats to our liberty, there is no more time for glass half empty kind of reps. Only patriots.

We have to win LEGISLATION, not lose elections with the perfect candidate.  We'll get a good part of that with Castle.  None with the Donk.

Men like Castle will betray us, they will leak to the press, they will use powerful propaganda against us.  On balance, Rinos hurt much more than they help.

Okay, this is silly.  You think the problem with Arlen Specter is him running around spreading our secrets?  Geezus. 

rdbrewer

Yours is the short view. Your view will lead to continued expansion of government. That is what Castle will vote for. That is what fear of presenting our ideas will lead to.

I want actually measurably smaller government. Castle does not want that. DE voters will not be exposed to that argument if Castle wins. For you that is ok because they are not receptive to that. I think you are wrong. I think that is an argument that will appeal to all states.

It's time for all you Castle (how appropriate - you are digging a mote) supporters to fess up. What do you all want?

If Castle can't even win his own GOP primary, how in the heck could he possibly win the general?  I mean, who would vote for him? ..... ohhhhhhhhh, now I see ...

It's kinda hard to believe you actually typed that.

You don't defeat out-of-control Liberals hell-bent on a socialist agenda by opposing them with a "moderate' ideology.

Ever read The Charge of the Light Brigade?

O'Donnell could roast a live Hobo over a mesquite fire and then violate the charred corpse with a brass shoe-horn and she'd still be better than Castle.

Cap'N Trade is a nation destroying clusterfuck.

Anyone who voted for that should be hung upside down from the ankles with their throat slit and all the blood slowly drained from their body and fed to a Neocon- because that's exactly what Cap'N Trade would do to our economy.

Anyway, I gather from all I've learned the past couple weeks that O'Donnell could use a steady paycheck that a position in the Senate would provide so that's one less Hobo to worry about.

A vote for Castle is not the vote of a patriot. 

Shut up.  Don't join the Palooka Wing of the GOP.  Getting nobly beat up is not useful and not patriotic.  A palooka is not brave; it's just being a palooka.  And accusations like that stink of the "we've got RINOs" bullshit some are flinging around here. 

Posted by: Doc at September 13, 2010 01:51 AM (MYT77)

Kirk won the primary.    It's not in question anymore.

What are the odds that Castle is the 51st and final Repub in the Senate this year anyway? My guess is less then 20%. And this is the Castle supporters main argument. He could easily be number 53 or 52 or 50 or 49 or 48 or 47, making their case moot.  I think 20% is the high end.

And whats the odds that if the Repubs end up with magical vote number 51 that they actually play hardball on appointments? And whats the odds another gang of 14 developes making hardball nearly impossible anyway?

Now, whats the odds Castle jumps to the Dem party? Or the odds he votes with the dems on most issues giving more cover for the Maine twins? Or goes on meet the press and bashes every conservative and issue?

And how many Senate, Governship, and House seats will be lost in 2012 if the Dems have a 51 Seat Repub majority to slap around and blame? And how many more votes does Obama get in 2012? Remember Clinton in 1996? Maybe 50 is the better number to have in the Senate and look at this as a two election cycle like the Dems in 06 and 08. Make it a one-two double whammy. Sixty is the key number in the Senate, not 51.

I think O'Donnell has a better chance then many are giving her credit aswell. She lost by only 2 points more then McCain lost by in 2008 to a stronger canidate[Biden vs. Coons]. And this election is going to be a tsunami with the 20+% of blacks sitting home in Delaware. And Coons is a crappy canidate.  She was losing by only 11 and 7 points in the last two polls I saw against Coons. A victory here should give her some positive mojo. She could win.

I say vote your consciences. Vote for the best man or woman and let the chips fall where they may.

Technically the race is a tie...

-DrewM.

A tie would be automatically recognized as a win for O'Donnell, she's already established that. On to devour Coons in the general!(Coons? sounds like a racist).

Next!

Yours is the short view. Your view will lead to continued expansion of government. That is what Castle will vote for. That is what fear of presenting our ideas will lead to.

No, it wont.  Because Combs WOULD BE WORSE.  Plain and simple.  That. Is.  Irrefutable.  Now, tell me what you don't get about that.  Because if you can't, you're not worth talking to.

The fact of the matter is that Castle and the Delaware Republicans have gone too far left. Cap and Trade was the bridge too far.

Elsewhere in the country, there are non-Tea candidates attracting Tea support or at least tolerance. If this had been Dino Rossi, then there would not be a huge problem.

The lack of principles by so many on here are astounding.

No, it's the lack of brains in those who can't understand the real principled view.  Castle gets us LEGISLATION, where we impart our principles.  The flake gets us defeat.  Try to be principled enough to deny your vanity and short-term gratification.

50% of the time your ass. Factor out the slide to the Right during campaign time and you'll be lucky if the RINO vote is 10%. And even then- the policy matter of the 10% is questionable.

Yours is the short view. Your view will lead to continued expansion of government. That is what Castle will vote for. That is what fear of presenting our ideas will lead to.

"No, it wont."

Of course it will. I have 80 years of history on my side. What do you got.

"The two parties are all the same." That is the general consensus isn't it. It is. Because of you.

BTW I asked you where you stand.

You guys wanna see the dictionary definition of "obtuse"?

But my eyes are wide open now that enthusiasm for liberals appears to have gained a foothold at this website.

Right, Einstein, we like liberals.

How 'bout you stop deliberately misunderstanding and then responding to your worthless understanding instead of the arguments actually being made.  And if you seriously think we likes liberals, you too crazy to be posting.  It's one or the other.

"O'Donnell supporters... what's your feelings on Mark Kirk in IL?"

Go Kirk.

The primary is over.

If the primary is not where we sort things out amonst ourselves and vote our conscience then what is it good for.

The Deleware voters will decide. As it should be.

What else is left to say?

Like the kind that puts a stake through the heart of the US Economy! Woohoo!

No one ever said we'd get all of what we want, you obtuse ass.  Grow the fuck up.

Posted by: Albus at September 13, 2010 02:08 AM (sZNYc)

His endorsement is the one thing that makes me question the BS being slung at O'Donnell.   He's not a stupid man.   He could have sat out this race, but chose to jump in.  

wth happened to Ace of Spades blog?  If I didn't know any better, I would think I just arrived at DailyKOS

You're either stupid or obtuse.  I suspect the latter, because that particular level of the former would be hard to achieve.  No more deliberate misunderstanding, okay?  It doesn't impress or persuade anyone.

I used to make them myself just a few years ago.

Look, I can do without the tired voice of experience.  And I get it.  You're frustrated.  Pam is frustrated.  Fine.  So am I.  But that doesn't mean I will start emoting my way through life.  (That is, as long as we aren't talking about my ex-wife.)

Posted by: Albus at September 13, 2010 02:18 AM (sZNYc)

That's "some anonymous crank with the handle 'War Between Undead States' who wants to WIN". 

And I know; people of your intelligence are perfectly happy with assholes of the calibre of Erick Erickson.  Think you're the True Crusaders of Goodness and Light.  People like you and Christine O'Donnell are why we have 41 senators.

rdbrewer

I don't expect to roll back to before the new deal in one election. But I don't expect to EVER get there if we don't fight for our position.

We fight for our position by standing up for what we believe in all venues and articulating our values. People will listen. They are correct. That is assuming mine are the same as yours.

Fear of losing or desire for worthless power will not get us anywhere.

By worthless I mean the type of power we have held in the past wherein our side grew the government. (50's, 70's, 90, 00's) That is why people think there is no difference between the two parties.

If we ever actually want to win, and I mean ideas not individuals then we must stand behind our ideas. The liberals did and they managed to transform this nation into a Euro state despite the Constitution.

That is the power of standing behind your ideas.

I am not saying its likely Castle flips to the Dems inyourheadZOMBIE. But having 1 seat at 51-49, there will be a ton of temptation out there. The Dude is 72. What does he have to lose. And not just with him. Snowe could flip. Nelson could flip the other way. Anything is possible. Which is why having a 1 vote majority is much more marginal in its value then some seem to think IMO.

Zombie, you also said...."IT means bringing the appellate and district court nominee process to a halt".

I think that wouldn't go over all that well with the public. They could slow it down a bit, but thats about it. I am not saying there are not advantages here. I am simply saying, there are also disadvantages that the Castle people are ignoring aswell. They want to look at the big picture. Maybe they should also look at the even bigger picture such as 2012. Patience is a virtue. Some actually think Obama has been doing exactly that and he might not mind losing the house and or senate. Its also what some thought the dems were doing with the health care bill. Lose the house for 2 years, but gain government run socialist health care for eternity. And didn't some dem the other day say oh well, we are only losing the conservative seats anyway or something to that effect.

"The California-based Tea Party Express has pledged $250,000 to help bolster the cash-strapped OÂ’Donnell. ItÂ’s not clear they will reach that goal; so far, officials have disclosed less than $150,000 in federal elections filings.

In campaign reports filed on Aug. 25, OÂ’Donnell reported raising about $260,000 for her bid and had about $20,000 in the campaign bank account. Castle had raised $3.2 million and had $2.6 million cash on hand, which is why he has been able to spend freely on mail and television ads criticizing his rival."  LINK

 that's an awful lot of money

Dave J.

It's worthless because it gets us nowhere. It just makes government bigger. Again I have 80 years of history on my side. What do you got?

BTW you Castle people are very good at picking out single lines and ignoring the rest.

Just like democrats. Heh. A little friendly but true banter there.

Albus

Ditto

We've been arguing all night that we wouldn't get everything we want with Castle, but that we'd get more than if the Donk were elected.  And Genius shows up and tells us "Yeah, but with Castle we'll get bigger government!"  As if losing him on an occasional vote had not been considered from the outset.  And then, "Boy, sure looks like a lot of unprincipled liberal RINOs around here."  Just brilliant, guys.  It's like you guys can't read. 

Or that you read and then see what you want to see--instead of what is on the screen in front of you.  You know what?  That is not helpful.  It is a brand of ignorance that doesn't help us move the ball forward. 

There are no fucking RINOS here.  Not one.  There are no liberals here.  We understand that Castle won't be there on all votes.  You're not providing a great "Aha!" moment by chiming in 300 posts later and saying Castle isn't a strong conservative.

What you are doing is not understanding, and in doing so, you're making things worse.  Shut your mouths and open your eyes and ears.  Hear what people are saying.  No one likes Castle.  Get it?  No one here would prefer Castle if asked to pick.  The practical ones among us realize that Castle has the better chance, and that we gain more with him than we do losing to the Donk. 

One more thing, doubting anyone's patriotism here is not smart.  But who is the greater patriot, a palooka who loses in the short term or a strategician who wins in the long term?  ("Patriot" has no place in this argument, btw, but I use it because it seems to have a magical effect on some, regardless.) 

CAC

This has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with application of principles.

Are you a troll?

"who is the greater patriot, a palooka who loses in the short term or a strategician who wins in the long term?"

You and your's must be playing some three dimensional chess I don't get. Because we have been listening to you for the last 80 years and the government has been getting bigger the entire time.

Insult all you want but your way has lead to bigger and bigger government.

Goodbye short term thinker you are not worth talking to.

I don't expect to roll back to before the new deal in one election. But I don't expect to EVER get there if we don't fight for our position.

We're not fighting, then?  Getting a Replican in Biden's seat would be a hell of a victory.

Fear of losing or desire for worthless power will not get us anywhere.

I already told you this isn't about bravery.  This is not about "how you look."  Castle has a better chance of winning.  That's a fact.  Whether I support O'Donnell is not a test of anyone's courage.

By worthless I mean the type of power we have held in the past wherein our side grew the government. (50's, 70's, 90, 00's) That is why people think there is no difference between the two parties.

Consider that it might take another 60 years to roll it back.

If we ever actually want to win, and I mean ideas not individuals then we must stand behind our ideas. The liberals did and they managed to transform this nation into a Euro state despite the Constitution.

Yeah, so?  And?  I'm goint to ask once more.  Please answer.  What do you not understand about Castle having a better chance to win and getting us some of what we want?  O'Donnell is certain defeat. 

Keep in mind, we never get to cross the goal line and spike the football.  We will always be fighting this fight.  Look back to '80, '84, and '94 for refutation of your dreary "we've been losing forever" attitude. 

This election is three yards and a cloud of dust, not the end-all and be-all of conservative chances.  Just one more battle in a greater war.  We have to win smart, not lose bravely.

 Now it's come to a point where it's unsustainable and to reverse the trend isn't going to happen overnight. People still love government taking care of them and some free money. You could have sixty Goldwater's in the Senate and it's not going to change that. You can have Tea Party rally's every day on Capitol Hill and it's not going to change that.

-lowandslow

This. I'll only add that the reason the GOP got demolished had a lot less to do with them "acting like Dems", as so many here seem to think, than it did with two wars going tits up and the housing market utterly and unluckily collapsing while our guy was still in office.

I didn't say anything about a conspiracy.  I said they would destroy her.  Meaning no support.  They would want guarantees for their money and support and she doesn't seem like the type who'd be willing to give them those guarantees. 

And what do you want the RNC or RNSC to do? Send wads of cash that could support candidates like Angle, Miller, or Johnson in WI to a candidate who almost every poll indicates doesn't stand a snowball's chance of winning?

And when men like Castle vote with the Dems (which he has and will), Obama will have him standing right there saying...see, this is a bi-partisan bill, nothing to fear.

A HUGE commie propaganda tool. Used to promote conservatives as marginal.

With a Dem in the seat...Obama just has a partisan vote and nothing else.

Occasional votes from Castle are better than no votes, and they're also more important that your weird notion of propaganda.  Propaganda opportunities arise when Castle doesn't vote with us?  Like Obama's going to grab Castle and have his picture taken with him and score points in speeches by mentioning Castle's name.  Just like he did with Arlen Specter.  Oh, wait, he didn't do that with Specter.  And Specter wasn't used as propaganda to promote conservatives as marginal or whatever.  And he didn't even drag Specter along the campaign trail. 

There aren't any RINOs here, slugnutty, and there are about 18 other complaints about O'Donnell you didn't address--not that you bothered to refute this one at all.  I already know you're going block those from consideration. 

Now you go on home teach gramma suck eggs, okay?

Posted by: Banji Kazooie at September 13, 2010 06:41 AM (7VNIn)

Well I have just read the first 100 comments and it is simply a repeat of the same tired arguments from the past two weeks.

We have reached an impasse in which neither side is going to budge. When this argument first started I looked at Castle's record and said to myself this guy is a flaming shitbag DIABLO; no way I can support him. But I saw all of the stuff about what a loon O'Donnell was and I said WTF? can't the Repubs in DE get their shit together? My first post was "we have lost this race already, neither candidate is worth a shit".

But then I started looking into all the allegations. I found they were ALL either distortions or BS rumor in the same manner as the Palin attacks of 2008. That is when I said better O'Donnell support. 

The Palin and DeMint weighed in with their support.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 13, 2010 07:33 AM (nS7nk)

Actually I would say the supporters of DIABLO Castle are doing that.

Under these circumstances I really think O'Donnell is electable.

Thanks, Ed!  Here's a pin.

Thanks, Ed!  Here's a pin.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at September 13, 2010 07:58 AM (zgZzy)

Frankly, a blow job would be better.

498 New York Senate seat in play? 

A Schumer lackey bites the dust?  That would be teh awesome.

Frankly, a blow job would be better.

I agree!

Posted by: toby928 at September 13, 2010 07:57 AM (S5YRY)

Is that sarc, or just dripping in irony?

"How far left wing is Chris Coons?"

I've lived in Delaware for decades, and my quick assessment is: picture John Kerry with a bigger ego and less on his resume.

"How far left wing is Chris Coons?"

Racissssst!

Thanks for the summary.

I expect the Dems to make hay of it in the general, so O'Donnell is going to have to make sure her version gets out. 

It won't help that Castle will more than likely endorse the Democrat.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2010 08:07 AM (FkKjr)

Unfortunately, that is probably true. after all, he votes with the Dems more than he does the Repubs anyway.

Really, we could make a little headway toward a majority with a Repub lite New Yorker. 

Packing my bags for the Empire State as we speak!

No.  It's not.  It's a deeper shade of blue than your balls after a trip through the sheep barn at the county fair.

Oh.  Fucking.  SNAP!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 13, 2010 08:17 AM (0Vo4/)

Wasn't that more of the State Party than the national Party? The State Party overrode the wishes of the local Republicans to install the favored "daughter" of the legislature.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 13, 2010 08:27 AM (0Vo4/)

True dat...

Until the West and South get rid of All-Star RINO's like Graham and McCain, we're gonna have to settle for their ilk in leadership positions anyway.

We're the guys you love to hate!

t won't help that Castle will more than likely endorse the Democrat.

If that happens that'll prove the point.

I'm really very divided on this question. Not that it matters since I don't live in Delaware. I do think the Party is stronger if the Rinos are taken to task, however, I'm not completely sure if Rinos are Rinos because they are ideologically Rinos (Bloomberg, Arnold, Christ) or whether they are Rinos because they think that is the only way they can be elected in a blue state. We should have learned something from the McCain debacle-playing to the middle loses the right. I wish there were some way to determine how many people you lose on the right when you try to pick up some of the middle. I do prefer right candidates who are more Christi, Miller, Rubio than the Angle, O'Donnell version but I don't know if we can find them everywhere.

I also don't think that WV is lost. I think that state might go right now that their source of pork has gone to his just reward. I can't imagine they will side with Obama if the right can effectively link Obama with whomever their lefty candidate is. Don't completely discredit what Bill Clinton says about them, he's probably right. They have traditionally voted in the presidential elections for what appears to be the southern/redneck canidate. except for Dukakis which looks like an outlier.

At the very least, an OÂ’Donnell victory would mean you wonÂ’t have to hold your breath every time an important vote comes up in the Senate – wondering if sheÂ’s going to go “squishy” on us. But as a Republican, if you thoroughly enjoy the sensation of being kicked in the nuts on a regular basis by GOP “stalwarts” such as McCain, Graham, Snow, Collins, Specter, et al, then by all  means, Castle is your man.

536 I completely agree.

The only issue is that against the the democrat Castle polls +11 and O'Donnell polls -11 in the Rasmussen poll 9/2-3.

I would take McCain over Obama. Would I take Castle over Coons?

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at September 13, 2010 09:06 AM (xMSXs)

LOL, I had a good friend who was laid off a few years ago just after I retired. He went to work for a subsidiary of GE in Atlanta.

Based on what he told me it sure as hell was no longer "cheap" to live anywhere near Atlanta. So yes, they have destroyed it.

Apparently, Drew just can't get enough of that sweet, sweet RINO meat.  Looking forward to his posts in '12 from Oly Snowe HQ.

Meanwhile, dragging another RINO carcass out of the "world's greatest deliberative body" is a WIN,which the country club GOP makes even better by going all in for Castle and making his sorry career their hill to die on.

It won't help that Castle will more than likely endorse the Democrat.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2010 08:07 AM (FkKjr)

That right there is just disturbing.  But the guy can be counted on to represent the people they tell me.

560 I'm wondering why Ace and Ed over at Hot Air and so many Republicans are so worried about letting this tea party revolution play out.  A muted, cautious revolution is no revolution at all.

Its protecting turf, max, nothing more than that.  In DE and the other "blue" states, the socialists have given the RINOs a fiefdom in exchange for mounting a polite and losing, but never explicitly anti-socialist, opposition.  The tea partiers are gonna screw up that gig, they fear (correctly). For this crowd, "conservatives" are great in flyover country, but most unwelcome on their own turf.

560

This is what I suspect, and what they will not admit to: they are afraid the teaparty is socially conservative. That scares the hell out of the betas. I see no evidence that the teaparty is particularly christian evangelical or particularly anything except tired of the marxism but they have absorbed some of the msm spin and fear the bear.

Posted by: Dave J. at September 12, 2010 11:00 PM (DCQ0q)

Bingo

Her message? “They'll come at you hard, so just be prepared," Castle told POLITICO.

Mike Castle: Lisa Murkowski's BFF

Most of the speeches I have seen from Tea Party people, and yes there is no Tea Party central, they are OT concerned with social issues.

ALL of what I have seen from them is "small government", fiscal responsibility, low taxes, and follow the Constitution "as written". 

And THAT is right down my alley.

I think that's what I was saying. I didn't suggest that the teaparty was particularly socially conservative, but I think that is the fear in some of the establishment types.

I get the impression that they look at the normal hard working constitutional crowds and think, oh no, I bet these people aren't sophisticated and they won't appreciate political give-and-take and the nuances of wheelin' and dealin'. They might even believe in God.

I could give a rats ass what else they believe in as long as they believe in the Constitution--as written.

I'm amazed at how this primary devolved.

1.O'Donnell has positions that many Republicans like, particularly those that will bother to vote in a primary. Castle certainly does not.

2.Between the nature of the general electorate here, O'Donnells' weaknesses and Castles' name recognition, Castle is clearly the best (most electable) candidate for the general, which others here have noted repeatedly (some ad nausuem).

3. If Castle had disavowed Cap n' trade, or promised to strive for a 'D' rating, instead of his usual 'F', from the NRA next year, we wouldn't be having this row.

4. Attacking her in front of the people who are the MOST DISPOSED TO LIKE HER OVER CASTLE WAS STUPID. The local party clearly picking favorites and shunting outsiders away didn't help. it would be interesting to see what fallout, if any, will come form the local GOP filing suit aiming at the tea party. Even if Castle wins, we're likely to see a further dimisihiing on an already small party (think New York Conservative party).

5. Discounting an endorsement from Palin or DeMint was wrong, (see reason #1). The general electorate may not like Palin, or may even vote against her endorsement; but we're not talking about that electorate yet.

6. People including Jim Gerathy keep talking about asix year term, and the likelhood of Castle not running again. it's a four year term (replacing Biden) and he'll be 75 then. We've seen an 80 year old Specter doing gymnastics to stay in office, and there's reason to believe that Byrd was embalmed before he was removed from his office. Don't count on this either way.

I get the impression that they look at the normal hard working constitutional crowds and think, oh no, I bet these people aren't sophisticated and they won't appreciate political give-and-take and the nuances of wheelin' and dealin'. They might even believe in God.</quote>

I think the establishment republicans dislike fiscal conservatives almost as much as they dislike social conservatives.

Posted by: Dave J

No. No I do not. This is the weakest argument made in favor of Castle. The jusge who meddled in DADT was a Clinton appointee, confirmed by a Republican controlled Judiciary committee and Senate. So was Ginsburg. There are over 20 years of examples of leftist judges getting past Republican Senators. We do not 'Bork' people. Leftists like Biden do.

The most important thing to come from Castle would be the vote for a Republican Senate Majority Leader, who could block further ugliness from reaching the Senate floor. That's about it. Because no one here can argue with ANY surety that we can expect more from Castle.

Ok, I read it all and am more certain than ever- NO RINOS.

Better an actual democrat than a RINO. Traitors are the worst kind of enemy. much worse than an actual opponent. RINOS are traitors. Hang 'em.

Blue Hen,

Nice analysis. I agree with it, but wonder whether the Palin endorsement will help or hurt in the final analysis. My feeling is that many of the R's in DE (not that there are many R's in DE, period) are moderates and squishes who do not like Palin. Castle's scare campaign may also work on these people. We got a call from Chris Christie, for Chrissakes, on this. My wife, who does not exactly follow Republican politics, was wondering what the heck was going on and why Christie would be worrying about Mike Castle.

Okay, one new thought...RCP has one poll on the House race in Delaware (from PPP in early September) shows the Democrat leading the two possible GOP candidates by 16 and 18 points.

Why does anyone think a state that is going to elect a Democrat to the House this year really wants to send a hardcore conservative about whom there are a lot questions to the Senate?

This is a fraud. The same fraud which is used to show O'Donnell can't win the general. Besides being from August, not Sept, in both races it is a single Dem against either of two Rs. The Dem is assumed so Dem voters do not split their loyalties and has better name recognition like Castle. The Rs in both cases are having hard fought primaries which polarize their party. The hard core supporters of either R in each race are refusing to give their support to the other R in this poll when asked the question and say undecided instead. Once there candidate has been eliminated the majority, and I would say near all this year, will switch to the winning candidate.  No matter who is the winner in either of these primaries for each race the winning candidate will start with 45% of the vote minimum. They may still lose but neither race is a forgone conclusion. There is no Dem running for an open seat, House or Senate, that is going to cruise this year. I think even Chuck Schumer with token opposition will struggle to reach 60% this year.

Blue Hen,

Nice analysis. I agree with it, but wonder whether the Palin endorsement will help or hurt in the final analysis. My feeling is that many of the R's in DE (not that there are many R's in DE, period) are moderates and squishes who do not like Palin. Castle's scare campaign may also work on these people. We got a call from Chris Christie, for Chrissakes, on this. My wife, who does not exactly follow Republican politics, was wondering what the heck was going on and why Christie would be worrying about Mike Castle.

Posted by: RM

I have lost track of the calls that I've received, including Sarah Palin (yes, I was thrilled to her call me, no I did not retreat to the bunk).

O'Donnell is improving in the polls. Something, or somethings, is causing it. I participated in that PPP poll. You'll notice that Palin's endorsement was seen as a positive here, at least among those who will be voting tomorrow morning.

I have been maintaining that the negative stuff was likely to backfire, and it was painful to notice that all of the positive Castle stuff I did hear, was for fiscal sanity. I know that the "Castle won't repeal Obamacare" stuff is overblown. In one case, what was said was downright false.  But also note that no one has explained cap and trade. That piece of crap makes no sense to any R or D in Delaware, execpt the chattering class ( to which Castle belongs). And also note that many here have been concerned that the Republicans may not carry out the repeal of Obamacare that we all want.

The local party was its usual sluggish, anti outsider self. It did not sell Castle well, counting on 'hey, the guy's been the guy' to do the job. And then they ran stuff in a tea party type year that simply isn't playing well.

The Rs in both cases are having hard fought primaries which polarize their party. The hard core supporters of either R in each race are refusing to give their support to the other R in this poll when asked the question and say undecided instead.

This question was asked in the PPP poll. I was asked which (if any) of the three Rs I'd vote for. Then I was asked whether I'd vote for any of them against that jerk Carney 9The Dem stuffed suit for the House). m vote was clearly anit-Carney all three times. Maybe peole do hold out, but that area was explored by the poll.

The Rs in both cases are having hard fought primaries which polarize their party. The hard core supporters of either R in each race are refusing to give their support to the other R in this poll when asked the question and say undecided instead.

If they cannot find something, they will invent something (lies about racial slurs, fake ANG memos, fake afairs with lobbyists printed in the NYT).

Flakes are bad for the reason that they are flakes. Worrying about the MFM is a fool's errand.

He supported an amendment to the health-care bill that would ban using taxpayer funds to provide abortion services, an interesting vote for a self-described pro-choice Republican. He voted against the health-care bill.

A central point of the OÂ’Donnell folks is that Mike Castle is unacceptable because he doesnÂ’t support the repeal of Obamacare. But thatÂ’s only half his stated position. Castle thinks trying to repeal Obamacare while Obama is president is a waste of time, but heÂ’s open to the idea if the GOP can regain control of the White House (he said this in April.) If the GOP tries and fails to overcome an Obama veto, they can always try again in January 2013 if a Republican wins the presidency two years from now.

He voted to extend the repeal of the estate tax and opposed making the new estate-tax rates permanent. He voted for a bill to repeal the TARP program and lower the federal debt limit. Finally, he voted against the financial-industry-regulation legislation backed by Barney Frank.

Despite his ACU rating, his recent voting record has been more conservative than Scott Brown's, for example. This is what we expect from a similarly blue state. You might argue this is because he is coming up for an election, but pragmatism is a desirable quality in this instance. The winner in this election will be seated immediately, not in January. Castle has given a statement on how he will vote if nominated and elected. “The only business that should be conducted during a lame-duck session of Congress is keeping the government running until the newly elected legislators are sworn in. I do not agree with those who say this period of time should be used for passing controversial legislation and would not play a role in helping to circumvent the will of American voters.”

A central point of the OÂ’Donnell folks is that Mike Castle is unacceptable because he doesnÂ’t support the repeal of Obamacare. But thatÂ’s only half his stated position. Castle thinks trying to repeal Obamacare while Obama is president is a waste of time, but heÂ’s open to the idea if the GOP can regain control of the White House (he said this in April.)

That statement has been taken several ways. Many posters have noted that attempts at repeal are not a waste of time. Judging from the ads Dems are running right now, forcing them to vote in favor of it would be advantageous from a tactical standpoint.

Again, this is item that would be appreciated most by a primary voter. And this is the election we're talking about at the moment.

I do agree that he has voted against most of the spending; his vote in favor of cap and trade has been used effectively to dilute his other votes on the subject.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 13, 2010 10:29 AM (mHQ7T)

I meant the argument is a fraud, not the poll. As to your other point  about the internals  my original point still applies. In either case you have people who support one of the Rs saying undecided or even switching to the Dem because they are still in battle mode. That ends with the primary. I am not saying these polls are wrong. I am just saying you can't make a one to one comparison to the general from polls taken during the primary. Linda McMahon in CT is a perfect example. Prior to the primary she was well behind Bloomers but once that was over she closed considerably despite no recent scandals for Bloomers and a large cut back in her advertising to concentrate for later.

Can't wait for Castle's party switch presser with Obama, (remember Specter).

He won't switch, and I don't think that he can. And I don't think that he can or will run as an independent. My guess is that if he loses, the party will forge ahead with the FEC suit, to knock her off the ballot and replace her. Dunno.

Tattoo nailed it in 622. I'm voting in Delaware, and as much as it pains me to vote for friggin' Mike Castle, it hurts more to think the Dems will take that seat for another 4 years. Yes, I'd feel more comfortable with O'Donnell's purported conservatism (she's never held office, so who knows how she would really vote?), but I'm not more comfortable with her questionable character.

And no one from outside of Delaware realizes that if Coons takes the Senate, we who live in New Castle County will get stuck with another questionable Dem leader for county government, Paul Clark. We get screwed comin' and goin'.