1 It's not about me --it's about freedom of religion!

2 Unnamed official, huh?  I hope the Capitol Park Police have extra guys on duty.  Perhaps a few cadaver dogs, too. 

3 Mr. Unnamed source is going to be Mr. Looking for Another Washington Political Job come Monday.

4 0bama didn't care about it being a "local issue" when he wanted to force New York City to host a terror trial, did he?

5 there are those who say Ogabe is a jugeared fool, and there are those who say he is a cunning Manchurian candidate, and to both I say, "PRESENT!"

6 on a more serious note I think rahm has had just about enough....if rahm takes his class of '06 with him Ogabe is screwed.

7 I have never seen anything like this. The WH, good or bad, is supposed to speak with one voice. This is mutiny on a pirate ship.

8 It was purely Barack Obama's idea to stick his dick in an electric fan.  We tried to stop him but he just wouldn't listen.

9 Once again, I think we are missing the real point here: Osama Obama is no bumbling, clueless politician. He has a goal clearly in mind, and has decided, it true totalitarian fashion, simply to grab for it and screw anyone who gets in his way.

To treat him as just another boob is to let him continue to get away with furthering his treasonous plans while we stand by and snicker at buffoon Gibbs.

The Chicago Jesus is not stupid. He is coldly, calculatingly, arrogantly trying to destroy the country. We should be working to impeach him, not be laughing at him.

10

Sacred Honour compels me to admit that,  although I know the un-named source, it would be wrong for me to disclose said person's identitiy. 

It would be equally wrong to reveal the dirty things said person may have said while I was plowing said person from behind.

Please no more questions.  I have embarassed my family enough by admiting to my torrid physical affair with said person.

11 Maybe the White House can get some message discipline lessons from CabalList.

12 Time for another beer summit! Oh wait ...

13 We should be working to impeach him, not be laughing at him. ------------------------------------------------ What's wrong with "both"?

14 Perhaps Rahm found out that he wasn't invited to the opening or the pool or the community relations bonanza or anywhere except the "pigdog" room at Obama's ground 0 mosk for jewish community outreach?

15 9 Scribbler,

November comes before impeachment....and if we do go directly after him in that way we must be sure to have a narrative of our own ready....

the lesson we learned from Beijing Billy is there is no hypocrisy the left will not engage in to protect their own....the newsies will feel personally on the dock with him as well since they know everyone knows they ran interference for him.

16 Name of unnamed WH official from WikiLeaks in 5... 4... 3...

17 I'm still waitin' on that Coffee.

18

cuz Mr.Pressandent  Babel-on wants to bring People together, well except for republicans, wall street dudes, sheisty bankers,  bible thugs, weirdos in fly over country.and anyone that says they don't agree with him, well we know the drill.

Hey? why haven't we heard about Moslems being clingy to their books and guns and bitter about well everything?

19 Freedom of Religion -- straight out of my pal Dougie Hooper's playbook.

20 BO has the political equivalent of Tourette's.  He just blurts this stuff out, even though intellectually he knows it's stupid to do so.  It's fortunate that he hasn't yet yelled out "asshole" at a summit meeting when meeting someone he didn't like. 

21 15, Indeed so.

22 I'm guessing it was Rahm taking a push-back opportunity, considering he'll be gone soon.

23 The Chicago Jesus is not stupid. He is coldly, calculatingly, arrogantly trying to destroy the country.

I think he is stupid.  He may be trying to destroy the country, but he's about on a par with Matt Damon! in the brains department. 

On second thought, at least Matt Damon! has the smarts to memorize his lines. 

24 "The White House position on the mosque"

I wish we could ask dana perino if any other press secy kept touting this, cause I think by and large they all say "the president's position".  It's really odd cause if you want to get really down to the nitty gritty there can be all kinds of jokes about a building with an opinion....gibsey always makes you think that the president has no say but rather a committee makes the decisions and characterize themselves as "the white house".  I'm surprised, being a Leo, that the president doesn't get pissy about that, about how it appears if you just listen.

25 He just blurts this stuff out, even though intellectually he knows it's stupid to do so.

I think it's more like he has such a huge ego he can't conceive of people listening to his speeches, speeches he's been told over and over again are historic and mesmerizing and leg-tingling, and not agreeing with him.

26

Let's not forget that he made those remarks in a speech to Muslims.   Exactly why do you think that was?    Doesn't have anything to do with him, does it?

 

27 Posted by: pep at August 15, 2010 07:14 PM

Being the official Teflon Turd of the media doesn't hurt.

28
I'm guessing it was Rahm taking a push-back opportunity, considering he'll be gone soon.

My immediate thought.

29 Unfortunately for him, few Americans saw it that way and it's turned out to be a PR disaster.

Hey, at least it bumped that other PR disaster (Michelle Antoinette's excellent Spanish adventure) off the front page.

30

So, the White House is distancing themselves from the President?

31 This fucking asshat in the oval office is soooo in over his head. The 52% of the population who engaged in total douchebaggery by voting for this dirtbag better learn the difference between intelligence and the ability to read lofty speeches off a teleprompter. This clown is absolutely worthless without his training wheels, diapers, and bib.

32 Hillary! is considered an Administration official, isn't she?

33 President Obama, on the other hand, couldn't leave it alone. He wanted to make another historic speech -- this time on Freedom of Religion.

Don't forget who his was with and where he made that statement. 

34
So, the White House is distancing themselves from the President?

Buncha snarky bitter clingers around here.

35 this is supposed to be his new place of worship.....

36

_{So, the White House is distancing themselves from the President?}

He's here so little...it would be hard to distance myself further.

37

This is an interesting paragraph:

Wading into a controversy that other elected officials might have avoided or sidestepped as a “local issue” makes more sense for Obama, given the topic. The interest in what the president thinks about a controversial mosque issue — let alone one tied into the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history — reaches new heights when that presidentÂ’s middle name is Hussein. The question of Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world has been an ongoing discussion in the country since the 2008 campaign.   We're now allowed to mention his middle name & the Islamic connection.

38 He waited to speak out about his views until after a Manhattan boardÂ’s decision on whether to let the project move forward, the official said, because he did not want to influence that process.

That sounds so much like Obama.  You know, the non-meddling, non-interventionist autocrat, who doesn't intervene in local and state issues?

39

The President acted stupidly.

40 So, the White House is distancing themselves from the President? Posted by: ErikW Exactly. Unprecedented. "The President does not speak for this Administration" Now I know why Biden is in hiding. Even that hopeless dumbass knows when to hide.

41

The closer we get to November, the more they screw up.   Just imagine how schadenfreudealicious this is going to be for the next couple of months!

 

42 This is actually helpful in an odd way. Here we see, like the "acted stupidly" fiasco, how Pres. Obama screws himself when he acts or speaks impulsively. Therefore the other horrible stuff he does isn't on impulse! So we can categorize his catastrophes between planned and unplanned disasters.

43 36 Ran it together. Anyway, what I thought was interesting is that the author notes the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein, & that you can't ignore it might be a factor in his decision. What's more is that she mentions his connection to the Muslim world & the controversy relating to that.

44 I think when biden warned us that maobama was going to be tested, he must have meant for the entire 4 frigging years this usurper desecrates the oval office.

45

Now I know why Biden is in hiding. Even that hopeless dumbass knows when to hide.

The No Dumbass Left Behind Act was predicated upon the sincere belief that no dumbass is hopeless.

46
"The President does not speak for this Administration"

It's all part of the 'Wee Wee is a D.C. Outsider' campaign message in '12.

47 30

So, the White House is distancing themselves from the President?

Hah!,

The way I read it -  The White House was distancing itself from the President.

48 Pudding Futures Soar

49

You'd be pissed, too, if your job was to make this fucking narcissist look good.  There is not a single event in which he does not want to insert himself.  Because it's all about him, in his mind.

Unbelievably, it's taken this long for those stupid fucking 52% to begin to catch on.

50

Legal disclaimer _{the fine print}.

The opinions expressed by this Precedent are his alone and do not represent the nation over which he rules presides.

51 Right after MexCaine picked Palin Ebola was saying things this dumb and his poll numbers were hurting bad. Then they whisked him off to Hawaii for a rest and a treatment to dye his hair a bit gray. When he came back he never said anything that wasn't preprinted for him. It was pure TOTUS until Election Day. The discipline is now gone. Ebola is loose. His feeble brain and mighty mouth are now unchained. More popcorn. please.

52 The highest priority of my administration is finding the sonofabitch who's making policy for this country and stopping him before he makes any more crazy-ass blunders.

53 I give you Lawrence O'Donnell, wall of Jello.

54 Unfortunately for him, few Americans saw it that way and it's turned out to be a PR disaster.

Disaster?  Actually, it had the exact effect The Precedent had intended, and that anyone with a brain would have predicted perfectly.  Does anyone really believe that The Precedent didn't know what effect his transparently anti-American support of the mosque was going to have?  Really?

55 What's going to be interesting is what happens when  more Admin. officials start cannabalizing each other. This is what happens when political animals who play Alinsky-style politics grow unhappy with one another.

56

so, the President doesn't speak for the White House?

and the President is not in charge of the White House position?

Who the hell is running the show then? {well I always knew the answer, but this just makes it all the more evident}

57

Stupidity or ignorance are not reasonable explanations for his actions. For weeks polls have been showing that Americans were against this.  He just doesn't care that most Americans understand the true significance of this mosque, and/or don't think that adherents to the most intolerant religion in the world have any moral standing to lecture Americans about tolerance. 

I wish just one politician would tell Rauf that perhaps his cultural center is more badly needed in one of the many Islamic nations in which the murder of non-Muslims is a weekly occurrence.  I think we proved our tolerance when we didn't raze every mosque in the country after 9/11.

58
Barack Obama is just the once shiny, rapidly corroding, hood ornament on a crappy commie clunker. His job is to read the teleprompter and deflect bugs. The machine behind him groans when he tries to put the car in gear by himself. Somebody needs to stick a potato in the tailpipe.

59

Hey, I'm just trying to piss off as many people as I can, as quickly as possible. I won, so I'll do as I please.

60 Who's fault is it? Not Barry's. Nothing is. It's all Bush's fault

61 54 PoP,

you are in the habit of imputing him with mandarin qualities I just don't see....

he *is* this stupid....his handlers and the puppetmaster are the cunning ones....

George Soros is the man in the Yellow Hat and Bury is slinging shit all over ramadan dinners....when you turn the page you'll see the heartwarming illustration of Soros' friend Rahm smoothing things over while Soros and Bury go eat a nice tapioca pudding.

62 Who the hell is running the show then?

_{* ahem *}

63 58 otto,

exactly and the 5th rate Bond villain is the driver.

64

so what happens when the radical Imam of the Ground Zero Victory mosque starts spreading his Shariah nonsense? [frankly, I don't see one union construction worker lifting a finger to build this nonsense]

Is the President's position going be opposite of the White House position?

65 Sowing Discord....it's what they do.

Dante knew.

66 I hope the White House gets distanced from him permanently, in January 2013.

67 I give you Lawrence O'Donnell, wall of Jello.

Posted by: RushBabe at August 15, 2010 07:30 PM (a3Z62)

Larry is askeerd!  BOO!  Larry!

68 The White House sure has to hate it when Skippy gets caught with his taqqiya hangin out in the breeze

69

"Blame Bush".

"Every Strawman for Himself".

"Unwind".

70 I hope the White House gets distanced from him permanently, in January 2013.

I hope this Marxist fuckknob gets impeached earlier than that.

71 65 baldilocks,

midway through lifes journey I'd gone astray.....



speaking of which WRT "remf" nothing personal my wife is a 42A which is the old 75B....the problem comes when you see more bronze stars being handed out as "thanks for the memories" buttons than ones that should have the V attached......

72

I just showed this post to my wife, and we both can't stop laughing. 

I've never heard such nonsense.  She said its like when our kid embarasses us and we have to say, oh, he's just a kid, that's not the family's official position. But in this example, its not a kid, its supposed to be head of the household who is doing this.

To call this fool in the WH an amatuer would be insulting amateurs.

73 Who the hell is running the show then?

_{* ahem *}
Posted by: George Soros at August 15, 2010 07:33 PM

It's not his fault.  When you have more czars than Hindi has gods, sometimes the concepts get betingled.  Just ask Chris Matthews.

74 70 Waterhorse,

then here's what we have to do.....sway the masses people....

to safely zap him it will take a +25 or more margin in the house, and near or over 60 in the senate....

I'm not even sure it is numerically possible.

75
Let me make this perfectly clear, I misspoke and I'm not a scrunt. 

76

Stupidity or ignorance are not reasonable explanations for his actions. For weeks polls have been showing that Americans were against this.  He just doesn't care that most Americans understand the true significance of this mosque, and/or don't think that adherents to the most intolerant religion in the world have any moral standing to lecture Americans about tolerance. 

Obama has spent his entire life in the affirmative action hothouse, being told how brilliant he is even though at best he's been only a poseur and a mediocre intellect.  The butt-licking sank in and Zero truly believes he's got insights into the situation that the lumpenproles can't possibly appreciate.  The fact that 70 percent of the country doesn't see things his way only confirms his unique gifts.  He actually thought he was bestowing divine wisdom on the benighted masses when he announced that the majority of the nation are bigots.

The irony is that his "wisdom" is nothing more than the internalized droppings of a bunch of leftard professors and Potemkin intellectuals.  The guy's never had the seasoning experience that most starry-eyed college grads get in the real world, where they start to realize what a bunch of crap they've been fed by academia.  Obozo is just a dumbfuck preprogrammed leftard robot from the word go.  But you'll never convince him of that.

77 You know, maybe this is why the GOP is so quiet. Ebola is destroying the Dems and Liberalism quite well with no aid. Please, Ebola, tell us more.

78  I feel like the heroine of a Hitchcock thriller, realizing that the seemingly charming man who moved heaven and earth to woo and win me just a few months ago is trying to kill me.  And while the panic quietly builds, I have to go on pretending that everything is normal, because HE keeps acting as if everything is normal.  The sensible thing would be to grab a heavy vase and batter him unconscious, but something keeps me trying to maintain this surface veneer of civilization and calmness.  Of course, the whole thing is going to erupt in violence before the end.

79

Several possibilities here for "an administration official":

Rahmbo or more likely one of his Col. Codmans.

Or someone in Biden's office. Obama appears to not like or respect Biden much and vice-versa. Or someone in Hillary's shop at State.

Imo its not anyone in the Axelrove-Jarrett-Gibby camps.

Still, if high-profile easily-avoidable p.r. blunders are chains, then Obama is Jacob Marley right now. He could be under 40% by Christmas.

80 Our offical position on Islam? Buns up in the air with our nose buried in the nap of our prayer rugs....when nobody is looking.

81

why wife, who used to be more liberal than me, is now wondering why the hell she ever was a democrat most of her life.

The DNC should be very worried. Its not just her, her liberal, very liberal parents are even more pissed than her at this ground zero victory mosque endorsement.

82 johnc,

remember the "Obama finally found his house of worship" whisper campaign is real...

83

or it is just a Dem that wants to keep hiscushy  job after the next election as The Presidents poll numbers are falling,

Dem insider, in terror , "It's him it's Him , we had nooothing to do with it"!

84 Ebola will not be the 2012 Dem nominee.

85 Maybe someone (Soros) read Barry the riot act about Marie Antoinette in Spain, and Barry decided to show Soros who is the boss.  So far, this whole weekend in the Gulf has been pretty much of a phoning it in deal.  Barry did not swim in the actual Gulf, Bo (the dog) never got off the plane, and the only economic stimulus was Mo getting an ice cream cone.  All in all a fail .

86

I interpreted the statement a little differently.  I don't think the WH is trying to distance itself from Zero (funny as that is).  I think they are trying to provide cover for Dems running this November; by saying Obama is speaking for himself they're setting other Dems up to be able to disagree.

 

I just love how the historically & unprecedented greatest communicator evah has to have someone else come out and explain or clarify what he really meant every time he goes off-prompter.

87 We didn't name it Cordoba House to celebrate one of Islam's deepest forays into Christendom....my uncle had a '75 triple black one with leather! I loved that car! Honest!

88 chillin, someone in a couple of posts back said , AP- Obama really wasn't in the gulf , gulf, but swimming in waters close by.

89

I wish every repub running would ask their dem. opponent.

"Do you support your party leader's position of endorsing the building of a mosque that refuses to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah within feet of the graveyard of thousands of innocent Americans?"

90 -->you are in the habit of imputing him with mandarin qualities I just don't see....

Not at all, sven. 

-->he *is* this stupid....his handlers and the puppetmaster are the cunning ones....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2010 07:33 PM (kq1lG)

They are all idiots, but even the biggest retard in the world would have known how Americans were going to react to The Precedent coming out in favor of building the mosque.  ANYONE could have predicted the reaction, and would have.  One cannot blame retardation when the issue in question was easily understandable to the most retarded person on the planet.

The Precedent's stupidity, which is serious, had nothing to do with his decision to piss off America by supporting the mosque at Ground Zero.  It was nothing but pure antagonism on the part of the Indonesian Imbecile.  And it took no brains, at all.  Sowing chaos usually requires the least amount of competence.  That's the beauty of seeking chaos, for incompetent retards like The Precedent.  It's even within their capabilities.

91

I heard the sponsors are trying to rename it "Park 51"

nuh uh, not going to work. It will never be built.

92 "As I've always said, Islam is the very essence of our American tradition"

93
Obama recommends the Obama mosque so when he and The Wookie travel to New York, he can pray at his namesake mosque.  Axelrod will carry the rug.

94 my uncle had a '75 triple black one with leather!

That's fine Corinthian leather, my friend.

95 AP reporting the West Wing covered with a white tarp.  Cockroaches?  White House embarrassed by Hussein?

96
my uncle had a '75 triple black one with leather! I loved that car! Honest!

Yes! Our mosque will smell like rich Corinthian Leather!

97 "Well, my intention was simply to let people know what I thought," Obama said Saturday when asked about his Friday speech after an event in Panama City, Fla., about the BP oil spill. "In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion..."

Um, helloooo? Anybody there? Anyone? Beuller?

98 I disagree with those who say he is not stupid.  He clearly has the capacity to become educated.  What he does not have is the humility required.  Therefore, while he may be intelligent, he is also stupid.

Being a sociopath with severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder is not a strength, it's a weakness.  It means that while yes, he does have cold, calculating plans to destroy the country, he can't resist making yet one more speech, as someone above says, in which he reveals a little more of his true self.  The idea that he could be wrong, or that people will not take kindly to his constant America bashing does not enter into his way of thinking.  He's not making these constant gaffes because it's all part of his grand master plan.  He's making them because he simply does not know any better.

99 90 PoP,

we'll see I think he is just an overgrown 9 year old affirmitive action Civics class "star"(for aping what the teacher said) who is Chauncey garinier for a generation of moonbats.

100

Eman

How could Obama not be the candidate in 2012?  If anybody in the Dem camp challenges him, they would lose the black vote.  He has a lock on the ticket.

101

I know my needs.  And what I need from a mosque I get from thees new...Cordoba.

102 Well, I sure hope my family wants to see more of me soon.

103 How could Obama not be the candidate in 2012?  If anybody in the Dem camp challenges him, they would lose the black vote.  He has a lock on the ticket.

I hope there's a thread on that subject; I have some new material I'm dying to try out on you guys!

104

I'm going to echo what my wife just said.

Neither of us thought there would be a day where we miss George and Laura, but here it is. We miss George and Laura.  Disagreed with him on many many things, but at least I didn't have worry who he would be rooting for.

Heck, we even miss Darth Vader now.

105 90   They are all idiots, but even the biggest retard in the world would have known how Americans were going to react to The Precedent coming out in favor of building the mosque.  ANYONE could have predicted the reaction, and would have.      I agree.  The minute I heard what he said I knew the reaction, and the inevitable walk-back or "clarification" cycle would begin.  No way the WH didn't foresee how this would play out.  Perhaps Barry simply could not pass up the chance to be simpatico with his peeps at the Ramadan dinner, just couldn't help himself.  His remarks might've even caught the WH staff by surprise, but by now they probably aren't really surprised when he says things they all know 70% of the country disagrees with.  2 months before a major election.   Thank God for this usuper's incompetence.  Seriously, thank God.  If he were even minimally capable this country would be in a much, much worse position.  With any competece at all most of the country would still be blind to what this guy is all about.

106

Barack Obama and Iman Abdul Rauf walk into a mosque at 51 Park Ave., located next to the Suspicious Packages gay bar.

107 President Obama, on the other hand, couldn't leave it alone. He wanted to make another historic speech -- this time on Freedom of Religion.

Why do we keep giving this guy the stupid-excuse?  Why don't we come out and say, by now, that he keeps saying these things because he knows exactly what he's doing: fomenting divisiveness on the domestic front.  He's done it with the bail-outs, with health-care, with immigration, with this mosque-deal.  He wants to do it with environmental BS, gay marriage.  He plays the race card every other day.

Anything he can get his mitts into that will aggravate the livin' shit out of some of us - he wants into it bigtime.  It's the old divide and conquer deal.  Once we all hate each other, it will be so much easier to rend us asunder.

Come on, let's call a ... Well, you know.

108 I think he is just an overgrown 9 year old affirmitive action Civics class "star"(for aping what the teacher said) who is Chauncey garinier for a generation of moonbats.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2010 07:53 PM (kq1lG)

And I am of the mind that he sees himself as the Avenging Angel of the Third World. 

Clearly, he's a stone cold idiot.  There's no question about that.  But, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what will piss people off.  Even cats understand how to make people furious.  And the Indonesian has always known that he was an idiot.  He sees his own test scores.

I doubt the Indonesian Imbecile was ever a star in any class.  Anyone who spent more than a few minutes with the guy would know that he was functionally retarded.  He was only a star outside of any class work, such as at the Hah-vahd Law Review - where no real work was required of him, and where he clearly did none.

109

"The President does not speak for this Administration"
Newsflash to the clueless dudes who are desperately trying to distance themselves from this fiasco:  The President IS the Administration......

"So, Mr. Gibson, what is your opinion of the Obama doctrine?"

110 President Obama's PR Blunder Is "Purely" His Own Fault Says...White House Official?[as the townspeople point guns at Bart, the newly arrived sheriff]
Reverend Johnson: Gentlemen, gentlemen, allow not hatred to rule the day.
[holds up his Bible]
Reverend Johnson: As your spiritual leader, I implore you to pay heed to this good book and what it has to say!
[Townspeople shoot the Bible, blowing it apart]
Reverend Johnson: [to Bart] Son, you're on your own.

111 Thank God for this usuper's incompetence.  Seriously, thank God.  If he were even minimally capable this country would be in a much, much worse position.  With any competece at all most of the country would still be blind to what this guy is all about.

Posted by: Mayday at August 15, 2010 07:59 PM (TRgli)

Exactly.

112 Hahahahaha.  The presnit doesn't speak for the White House.  That's funny.

113
I know someting, but I can't talk about it under threat from you know who.

114 I'm so glad that this year, unlike in '94, the Democrats have him...

115

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 15, 2010 08:03 PM (yIZ5E)

I am going to be using that the next townhall I go to.

Does Mr. Obama no longer speak for the Obama administration? Then who speaks for the Obama administration?

3 weeks from 9/11/10, and this fool wades into this. 

116 108 PoP,

Avenging 3d Worlder is definitely one of his masks....

you ever get the chance read "the Life and death of peter Sellers'....

pegs the guy perfectly.

117

It's the old divide and conquer deal.  Once we all hate each other, it will be so much easier to rend us asunder.

Come on, let's call a ... Well, you know.

that to me is what i have come to detest about him the most.

His trning citizen against citizen .

despicable,

118 Berserker: "I think when biden warned us that maobama was going to be tested..."

Worse, we knew Obama would be tested. What we didn't know was how far Obama would test Americans. Turns out it's much further than we could have imagined.

119 In all my years of following politcs, I have never heard of  White House officials trying to distance themselves from the President! and openly saysing that the President doesn't speak for his own administration.

120 I actually don't think he is not dividing as much as that, he is uniting normal Americans,   he is isolating the radical lunatics on one side, making those of us who never realised they existed in our former un-democratic party, and therefore fleeing that group of people and joining sane Americans.

121 -->I have never heard of  White House officials trying to distance themselves from the President!

It happened before ... with THIS administration!  Rahm did it back after the Scott Brown election.  He was convinced (as all Americans were) that health scare was dead and he was pushing for a reduced package to try and revive something.  He had some nasty words for The Precedent, too.  Then we stopped hearing from Rahm ...

-->and openly saysing that the President doesn't speak for his own administration.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 15, 2010 08:09 PM (ACkhT)

This is very new.  I don't think any American ever even HAD this thought, before.  It's just too ... retarded.  Now, it's an accepted notion in our political scene.  Yep. 

Irreparable.

122 I can put that "President's a secret Muslim" crap to rest right now. I happened to walk in on him in the Oval Office unexpectedly one day (got it right now, 3rd down the hall, sign on the door says "Where Joe Goes") and he was on his knees with his face in the carpet. He told me that he was a big backer of 'push the peanut with your nose' races to keep fit. Wow, sometimes I can't believe how gullible people are. The President a Muslim! Everybody knows he's a Kenyan devil worshipper! Just trust ol' Sheriff Joe! Now excuse me, I'm due back at my super-secret undisclosed whereabouts at 1100 H Street N.W., second floor. It's marked 'Center for the Study of Premature Brain Death'....heh, it fools everybody!

123 If this were a generic Rep. President the MFM would be all over the Prez vs White House shit for a month. I expect nothing in this case.

124 What's the over-under on how many months until Obama yells "Er, um.. eh... I know -  Kill the Pig!!"

125 How could Obama not be the candidate in 2012?

Easy.  Lose a primary fight to Hillary.

126 Last night I was listening to some talk show and the host was repeatedly criticizing anyone "against the mosque" basically making them seem like stupid narrow minded unAmerican folks.  He said he was supporting their constitutional right to build it.  He also claimed there is another mosque in the neighborhood since 1974 so what was the problem.  (I found myself wondering, since the host said the mosque had outgrown its space, why they didn't just join forces with that mosque and help them, an apparently thriving faith community, who needed a larger space).  Anyway, the guy had caller after angry caller.  Not one in favor and then came the most chilling phone call I'd ever heard.  The caller said "I want them to build the mosque, I want them to build it, so then they will know what it feels like".   click.   the host was taken aback, literally thrown and mumbled something about being too afraid to hand around for a conversation.  None of the callers thereafter, still angry, said a word about that call, nor did the host.  The call is still bothering me.

127 127 The caller?It was the Punisher.

128

Let's face it - Barry sees himself as the New World Order president, the Messiah who will lead the rest of the unenlightened into Utopia.  This is him showing the rest of us how truly cosmopolitan and open-minded he is.  I honestly think that he imagines himself leaving this office in 2012 and stepping into a much larger role on the international stage.

He lives in his own little dream world - kind of like our kids do when they are 6 years old - and he can't handle anyone questioning his perceived reality.  It will be interesting to see if he deigns to attend the 2012 inauguration to hand over the keys to the next President.

Given the wording of the new Kenyan constitution, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if at the end of his presidency here in the US, he moves down to Kenya and runs for president down there.  He's just marking time at this point.....

129 120 I actually don't think he is not dividing as much as that, he is uniting normal Americans,   he is isolating the radical lunatics on one side, making those of us who never realised they existed in our former un-democratic party, and therefore fleeing that group of people and joining sane Americans.     I see it that way too.  The more time goes by, the more eyes are opened to the inescapable conclusion that Zero is not one of us, and it has nothing to do with his birthplace.  There are immigrants (legal) who have much greater American sensibilities than he does.     In the early months of Obama's reign I was discouraged and frightened by how many supporters he seemed to have.  There is a long road to travel but I think the number of people crossing over to the American side is growing daily.  Agree with the poster above who says the lunatics are being flushed out and identified.  This is a good thing as we will overwhelm them.  Zero may turn out to be the best thing that's happened to the US in a long time, as painful as it is.

130 Posted by: curious at August 15, 2010 08:19 PM (p302b)

What the caller missed is the fact that they know "what it feels like".  They've been fighting each other (and everyone else unlucky enough to come into contact with them) this same way since the beginning.  They like the way it feels.  Life is very, very cheap in the arab/persian/muslim world.  This is what Westerners can't seem to really wrap their minds around.  What we view as a horror, they just shrug their shoulders.  After all, we are talking about people who have personalities capable of killing their own daughters with their bare hands, if she merely talks to the wrong person.  Westerners have to understand that people who are capable of that sort of savage behavior cannot be dealt with as if they had a Western mindset and Western opinions on life and death.

I'm surprised that no one brought this point up, since it is central to the problem the West has in dealing with the arab/persian/muslim world.

131 Headline!

Obama Administration throws Obama under the bus.  Film at eleventy!!!1!!1!!

132 Jenny: Are you stupid or sumthin?
Forrest: Mama says, "Stupid is as stupid does."

ergo: Ojuggears does stupid due to stupidity

133

So what do we have?

1) The President of these United States says something that in his 'elite' opinion, is perfectly  correct, but out of step with 60-70% of the population.

2) All the 'right' people agree with him, but his party is in deep trouble at mid-term elections, because his economic policies have turned a recession into a Depression.

3) Someone with an somewhat independent, shrewd mind, say like.....Satan?     or maybe Rahm Emanuel, speaks "unofficially" that the President doesn't agree with the "White House" position.

4) So what is the White House position? Let the Muslims build their mosque. because it pacifies the Saudis, to a degree, and will help keep the oil flowing. That's what it is really about. Keep a lid on the Middle East and keep the oil flowing. That's what Desert Storm, the years on watch over Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom, etc., have all been about, to a degree.  Keep the oil flowing.

5) Hillary!, at State knows this,as does Clinton retainer Rahm Emanuel.  That's what the policy is about.  But Obama just can't keep his mouth shut, and pops off to such a degree that now he has really fanned the flames.

6) Rahm will be gone pretty soon, and Hillary!, after the 2010 mid terms when the Democrats get crushed. The remains of the DLC will turn to Hillary! to run in 2012. To save the party, or some such bull crap nonsense.

7) The ONLY difference between Hillary! and Barack is that Barack has so much contempt for many in this country that he couldn' t help himself in disparaging the many who oppose the mosque.  Because the Islamic call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds in the world, and Obama wants New Yorkers to hear it.  Especially at the site of the former WTC. And you are bitter clingers and hateful rascists if you think otherwise.  I think that's what that bastard Jonathon Chait said at the New Republic article that Lacy linked to earlier today.

134

Westerners have to understand that people who are capable of that sort of savage behavior cannot be dealt with as if they had a Western mindset and Western opinions on life and death.

 

I understand this point to a degree.  Get that they don't respect life the way we do.  But if life is cheap to them, then why the thirst for revenge when their own are killed?

 

To me, Islam seems to be all about conformity and control.  Think, act, believe the way we tell you to do, or die (within their own society as well as outside it).  For some reason any divergence of thought or behavior threatens them to the core.  Our way of life values individualism and freedom, exactly the opposite of theirs.

 

p.s  Apologize in advance if all this runs together.  I am replying in paragraphs but when it posts it keeps lumping everything together.

135 I understand this point to a degree. Get that they don't respect life the way we do. But if life is cheap to them, then why the thirst for revenge when their own are killed?
Because they aren't seeking revenge for the lives lost. They don't really care about that. They are seeking revenge to alleviate the shame that was brought on them by the killings. This is what I mean by saying that their motivations are totally different from what Westerners would usually think. Empathy fails miserably when it is used for cultures that are so different from ours.

To me, Islam seems to be all about conformity and control. Think, act, believe the way we tell you to do, or die (within their own society as well as outside it). For some reason any divergence of thought or behavior threatens them to the core. Our way of life values individualism and freedom, exactly the opposite of theirs.
Posted by: Mayday at August 15, 2010 08:55 PM (TRgli)
Exactly. We are based on Individualism/Guilt/Atonement while they are based on Tribalism/Shame/Revenge. But, Westerners naturally see individualistic motivations for everyone's actions, since that is how we think, and that is where tons of confusion comes in - and where our effectiveness in neutralizing the threats that emanate from the arab/persian/muslim world falls down.

136 Well I was at a 50th birthday party for a relative last night.  There were known dyed in the wool moonbats there that I had tangled with in the past. I swear, these people had an awakening that shocked even me. They are pissed at the shit in the health care bill, fuming over the suing  Arizona thing, and they hate this mosque with every fiber of their being. When I heard one say that maybe palin was right I damn near pissed myself. There were a group of 20 year olds there that were totally pissed about everything from them not qualifying for school aid that illegals will get, to pissing away money in haiti while we have so many unemployed, to taxes. etc The one chick in her 40's that I knew to be the biggest moonbat was actually worried that this jug eared fuck might win a second term.

It was an unbelievable sight. Obama is dog shit on their shoes.

137 President Barack Obama’s decision to make public comments Friday that further stoked an already brewing controversy over the construction of a mosque near ground zero was “purely” his own, an administration official said Saturday.

I know that several people have alluded to this already (what can I say? Your boy Masturbatin' Pete is always late to the party - he's got a lot of stuff to handle), but I have to say... this is the single weirdest statement I've ever heard to come from a White House official. It's just completely upside-down.

Normally what happens is that an underling or a Cabinet Secretary says something dumb, and acolytes, the Cabinet Secretary, or even the President himself have to say something to put distance between the statement and the official "White House" position. That's not the way it works with the President. Whatever the President says is the official White House position on the issue. Sure, the President can amend it, or try to walk it back. Underlings can attempt to explain it away. But to say that what comes out of the President's mouth is "purely" his own opinion? That's flabbergasting. It's as if the Obama Administration is some sort of committee, and no member of the committee - even its Chairman - can speak without authorization. So weird!

138

Westerners naturally see individualistic motivations for everyone's actions, since that is how we think, and that is where tons of confusion comes in - and where our effectiveness in neutralizing the threats that emanate from the arab/persian/muslim world falls down.

 

I see what you are saying, POP.  It's a bit depressing though, because if the two cultures can't come to some common understanding, then one must win and one must lose, and that's a long and ugly battle.  It's hard to see a common understanding when you have live-and-let-live (us) up against live-and-let-die (Islam).  Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insights about this.

 

 

139

139 President Barack Obama’s decision to make public comments Friday that further stoked an already brewing controversy over the construction of a mosque near ground zero was “purely” his own, an administration official said Saturday.

My take on this was that the WH wasn't actually trying to imply it had a different position than Zero, but that they were trying to allow Dems up for re-election to disagree with him. 

This may be the gaffe that drives O below below 40% approval.

140 An ugly thought comes to mind: is it possible that Obama was chosen as the dem candidate just to get these unpopular bills through? Anyone who disagred would earn the "racist" label, and be shamed into silence. Now, Obama is so obviously a dolt that he makes Hilary much more palatable than she would have been in 2008, simply because she is not Obama.
Sorry if this has been covered already in a different thread. I am new here.

141 141   My take on this was that the WH wasn't actually trying to imply it had a different position than Zero, but that they were trying to allow Dems up for re-election to disagree with him.

Hmm, I suppose that this could be an attempt to give Democrat House and Senate candidates room to distance themselves from Obama: "this is just Obama speaking; it's not the position of the Democratic Party in general, and you shouldn't assume that it's the position of any given Democrat."

The hell of it is that this may actually be true. Almost any time you've got 70% of the public going in one direction on an issue, a significant portion of Democrats are going to be in the mix.

Then again, if they were going for an "Obama-doesn't-speak-for-all-Democrats" message, this was just clumsy. Come out and say it. Don't try to explain it as if Obama is the Secretary of the Interior, and he wandered off-message. The President is always on-message.

142

Then again, if they were going for an "Obama-doesn't-speak-for-all-Democrats" message, this was just clumsy.

 

Agree 100%.  And of course, who knows what the hell Zero or the WH really mean anytime they speak.  It's like a wilderness of mirrors.

143

What Mr. Unnamed White House Official meant to say was that President Zero acted "stupidly". 

Of course he is about to be Mr. Ex-Unnamed White House Official. 

144 I asked such a thing in a discussion on a lefty blog: "In the meantime, I would encourage those who enthusiastically endorse this mosque to ask themselves how much of their endorsement is really about how much they despise those opposed to it rather than an honest belief that itÂ’s just a really good idea to build that particular type of building right there."

145 Can you imagine the scrambling the KGB (whatever they call themselves now) is having to do to keep up with all of the opportunities the jugearedfuck has gifted them? I bet that Putin never thought in his wildest of dreams we would have the most incompetent fool possible as our 'leader'.
Sad part is, this idiot will probably lead us into a major war and probably sooner than later.

146

But, but, but, according to his fawning sycophantss in the MSM, BO is so articulate.

_{(That putz has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't have a clue what is going on out here in the real world.)}

147 POTUS PR BLUNDER
Alternate Headline: Presidential Puppeteer Pans "Purely" Personal Poor Presidential Performance

That leaves Obama P⁸

148 Add "purely" and "Pantywaist" for Obama-P¹⁰

149 Who is most likely the White House loudmouth with NYC sentiment?

Couldn't be Hillary.

150 Sad part is, this idiot will probably lead us into a major war and probably sooner than later.
Posted by: Artruen

If he's consistent, he'd do that in order to distract the citizenry from revolt.

It seems our Democrat Presidents are of the persuasion for that exact move.

At least the Bush Presidents responded to attacks they had nothing to do with. And I just don't buy anyone's argument that the Bush Presidents instigated foreign turmoil in order for the tragedy of Islamic War to ensue.

But THAT is exactly what Obama is doing consistently as he defrocks our true national security via military downsizing, while simultaneously ordering our troops to remain vulnerable, while dismantling our alliances and feeding NASA (the military's research institution) to our foes. And that doesn't even address the ailments Obama has instituted domestically against American citizenry, the final dissolution of our Constitutional Republic.

151 Just when I thought that we couldn't ever again get a president as bad as Wilson, FDR and Carter, we get Obama. We get those loonies in 30-year cycles. Wonder if it has something to do with the fluoridation of our water.

152 I will never tolerate anything that officially wants me dhimmi or dead.  Its akin to asking us to tolerate the KKK, or more precisely, an Aryan church.  I have nothing against Islam except what it has against me.

I'm not sorry if that statement makes anyone uncomfortable.  Death and taxes do that to me.

153 ZerOBama's Mosque fiasco shows what happens if you work hard at your golf and vacation game, and have too little time to know what you are doing on anything else... 

It's like someone fed OGod an over stuffed bean burrito, he enters a crowded  room, lets one go, and expects no one to notice, or even object... 

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