1 Why, this is just crass capitalism at its worst! I don't care WHAT Obama's death panels say: I'll be damned before I give up my favorite Topless Nurse 4 Hour Long Erection Emergency Clinic!!!

2

What happens when all private companies drop government healthcare?

All healthcar\e beconmes government; which is wehat the communists currently in office want.

3

No shit, it's all about money!  What a moron.  Dr. Utopia's crew continually prove that they have no concept about how their plans won't survive contact with reality.

If Dr. Utopia gets his way, we will all be on Medicare.  Then we won't have to worry about getting good medical care -- there won't be any (except for the Democrat party elite, of course).

4 Will it be illegal for doctors to completely forgo insurance and only deal in cash?  Maybe one of the unintended consequences will be to create a truly market based system.  All doctors could drop the third payer.  Wouldn't that be ironic?

5 2 What happens when all private companies drop government healthcare? The government nationalizes all of them, of course. Just like any good totalitarian, Obama first has to create his pretext in order to do what his real objective is all along. Medicare and especially Medicate ALREADY essentially steal professional services from private providers by grossly underpaying them. Obamacare simply ramps up the theft a few more intolerable notches. Before you know it, Comrades, We'll All Be Soviets Now.

6 Every doctor I know finds working with Medicare patients a huge pain in the ass.  This doesn't shock me at all.

7

So the world famous Mayo clinic, a freaking non-profit organization that Obama applauded, is dropping Medicare patients.

This is gonna leave a mark.

I'll bet Barry is severely pissed at this news. It's gonna make him look like a real dumbass.

8 I'll bet Barry is severely pissed at this news. It's gonna make him look like a real dumbass.

Posted by: Tinian at January 01, 2010 11:27 AM (7+pP9)

What bit of news doesn't?

9

This shouldn't be a surprise. All that The Vapid One© needed to do was give the slightest hint of getting involved in healthcare and bad things started happening.

I swear that guy has the Reverse Midas Touch.

10 4 Will it be illegal for doctors to completely forgo insurance and only deal in cash? Maybe one of the unintended consequences will be to create a truly market based system. All doctors could drop the third payer. Wouldn't that be ironic? Posted by: InCali at January 01, 2010 11:26 AM (PFubb) Assume we maintain control of the government going forward from 2010 on, yes, in fact Obamacare may actually result in the destruction of the employer-provided insurance system, that was always a government-created mess to begin with. I would imagine that to escape the Death Panelists, providers would begin to use Yankee Ingenuity to create alternative healthcare financing models, such as pools of individuals creating private associations to self-insure themselves that negotiate contracts with providers without assholes like Pelosi sticking their hideously ugly botoxed snouts into their business.

11 And so the shut down of the health care system begins, even before the new "health care" disaster becomes law.  Frankly, this is long overdue.  Medicaid/Medicare have been skipping out on their bills for years and years, which is a big part of why we pay $200 for an asprin at the hospital.  If the care providers had started this years ago, when it was already biting into them, we might have had more people wake up to the problem in time.  Now it's probably too late, since the treason party is willing to fall on its electoral sword to pass this obscenity into law.

12 Oh, sorry - I didn't mean to call Moscow Pelosi hideously ugly. I should have called her a scrunt.

13 Give me a House/Senate conference committee shit sandwich, hold the Mayo.

14 I think the reaction against Obamacare will be SO seismic, that two-faced amoral unprincipled political hacks like Nelson will be SCRAMBLING to repeal it by next year. And it won't matter if that turd in the White House tries to veto it or not: there will be a veto proof majority to get rid of it.

15 crap. One sip of coffee and then this. Happy effing new year!

16 If only these physicians could get jobs running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They could get paid millions (and not a single share of stock - who would want that shit anyway?) and lose hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that we taxpayers and our children will have to pay for over the next 20 years.

17

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 01, 2010 11:33 AM (QECjC)

I like your optimism, and hope it is not misplaced.  But I fear that the Stupid Party will fail to take advantage of this crisis the way the opportunists in the Treason Party would. 

18 We head for a brave new world of black market back alley mammograms.

19 Is this related to the unpassed Medicare fix - or are they saying the current rates before the rollback are too low?

20 Why don't they just amputate some more feet?

21

Is this related to the unpassed Medicare fix - or are they saying the current rates before the rollback are too low?

According to the article the current Medicare reimbursement rates are too low. Wait until the Democrat's Medicare cutbacks are instituted. You aint seen nothing yet.

22 providers would begin to use Yankee Ingenuity to create alternative healthcare financing models, such as pools of individuals creating private associations to self-insure themselves that negotiate contracts with providers

According to my doctor, this is already being done.

23

I like your optimism, and hope it is not misplaced.  But I fear that the Stupid Party will fail to take advantage of this crisis the way the opportunists in the Treason Party would. 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 01, 2010 11:36 AM (4nbyM)

I think that even the Stupid Party is getting the message, and if they don't we primary voters will get their attention. These events are creating a political tidal wave that will last for years.

24 Welcome to our brave new world comrades.

25 Hey, off topic, but is any moronette missing a pair of panties? We found a black thong-type on your bedroom floor this morning. No clue who they belong to, but the front has "herestherum" embroidered on it.

26 On OUR bedroom floor, lol

27

Might be time to set up an off-books relationship with a local doctor for regular care issues.  For serious treatment, the best bet might be to save up a cash pile and self-insure using off-short resources.  Maybe even buy a health insurance plan off shore?  For example, the Dominican Republic has medical tourism with excellent resort-like facilities.  While visiting there I met an American man with a host of health issues - he documented his experiences on his web site.  I tried to use that damned tiny url to post a link, but that doesn't work for shit.  His site is thornlesspath.com.  Go to the Luperon page and click on DR Health Care Experiences.

It's pretty amazing, and I think it's worth checking out.  You don't need a visa to visit the DR, they generally like Americans, and you can enjoy some nice weather while getting your body fixed up.

28

I don't care WHAT Obama's death panels say: I'll be damned before I give up my favorite Topless Nurse 4 Hour Long Erection Emergency Clinic!!!

From what I know of Congress, that should be covered in the bill.

29 Pssst...Buddy...need an MRI? 

30

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 01, 2010 11:47 AM (QECjC)

CoolCzech, if you don't remember how those got there then you need to lay off the f***ing sauce!  I love a good drunken stupor as much as the next man, but I suspect your blackout caused you missed something you'd rather remember!  >

31

All this opposition is clearly racist!!

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

32 "He then says the decision to forgo Medicare patients is all about money."

I suppose that fucking idiot WORKS FOR FREE, out of the goodness of his heart?

33

10

I think that has begun.  I have read elsewhere of Costa Rica becoming a medical service destination with a pool of good American doctors and well-equipped hospitals.

If Obamacare becomes a reality, I guess Costa Rica will become our escape valve for obtaining the medical care that Obamacare will not provide in a timely fashion.  On the bright side, if Obamacare becomes a reality, the Canadians will really be screwed and they will get to enjoy socialized medicine without being able to make a quick hop across the border into the U.S.

34 30 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 01, 2010 11:47 AM (QECjC) CoolCzech, if you don't remember how those got there then you need to lay off the f***ing sauce! I love a good drunken stupor as much as the next man, but I suspect your blackout caused you missed something you'd rather remember! > Posted by: Reactionary at January 01, 2010 11:51 AM (4nbyM) Truer words have never been keyed, sigh

35 Those thongs are mine!

36 Sorry, Cincinnatus.  Just read your comment, and realized you beat me to it.  I didn't mean to pull a Mo Dowd.

37 35 Those thongs are mine!

Posted by: Barney Frank at January 01, 2010 11:56 AM (cLh9T)

Hope you're happy you damned sock puppeter - you just ruined a fine bit of day dreaming with that mind pollution...   Sigh. 

38 Other stories I have read about Mayo said that Medicare patients can continue to go there.....as long as they pony up an admin fee of $200/yr, pay around $175 a visit and don't go there "too often" (whatever that means.)

That's probably what Obamacare in its final form is gonna look like.   

Sorry, Dingy Harry, not feeling the wonderment and joy here, you stupid f'ing freak.

39 What happens when all private companies drop government healthcare?

Soviet supermarkets.  State dictated prices are cheap.  Shelves are empty.

40 @39 Soviet supermarkets.  State dictated prices are cheap.  Shelves are empty.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 01, 2010 12:04 PM (jH7o9)

I wonder if we should start hoarding certain medical supplies to use for barter?  Perhaps a good list of non-perishables should be worked up...

41
Remember:  ;">It's OK for the government, and the democrats party in particular, to STEEL from us. 

Rinse and repeat.

All other money complaints will be labeled as "greedy".

42 In other parts of the world, patients go to store-fronts and actually select the hip or knee replacement they want to have installed.  The surgeon then implants that prosthesis.

The only problems with this system are the following:

1     The selected implant may not (will probably not)
2     The surgeon may have zero experience in putting it in
3     The implant may be "pre-owned."

As to the provenance of the pre-owned implants, I would prefer not to think about it.

43 2

What happens when all private companies drop government healthcare?

All healthcar\e beconmes government; which is wehat the communists currently in office want.

Posted by: Vic at January 01, 2010 11:21 AM (QrA9E)

Look for the VA system to accept non-veterans. Followed by the VA system changing its name to some BS like the People's Health Administration, and start buying, or seizing through eminent domain, public hospitals.

44 Oops...may not (will probably not) FIT.

45 37 35 Those thongs are mine!

Posted by: Barney Frank at January 01, 2010 11:56 AM (cLh9T)

Hope you're happy you damned sock puppeter - you just ruined a fine bit of day dreaming with that mind pollution...   Sigh. 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 01, 2010 11:58 AM (4nbyM)

 

46

For some reason...I don't think withholding medical care from elderly people who have paying into the system for the past 45 years is particularly funny....maybe it's just me

...Fuck Barky

47 35 Those thongs are mine! Posted by: Barney Frank at January 01, 2010 11:56 AM (cLh9T) Bastard!

48 I think I've mentioned this before here at AoS. The last time I visited my primary care doc, he was seriously considering his career alternatives should Obamacare materialize. I'll bet he's not alone, by any means. Toonces and company are really doing a number on this country.

49 I don't see any problems. Health care is a right, so every doctor and every hospital has the duty to treat me and my family for free. It's probably in the Reid bullshit bill somewhere.

50 46 For some reason...I don't think withholding medical care from elderly people who have paying into the system for the past 45 years is particularly funny....maybe it's just me ...Fuck Barky Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 01, 2010 12:15 PM (AnTyA) I really doubt seniors will find it amusing, either. It will be amusing watching the Democrats running around like rats on a sinking ship to get out from under the political impact. Sort of like cockroaches fleeing the exterminator.

51

Next up?  Mandatory acceptance of Medicare patents or you don't get to keep your Dr's license.

Just wait, coming to a state you live in.

52 51 Next up? Mandatory acceptance of Medicare patents or you don't get to keep your Dr's license. Just wait, coming to a state you live in. Posted by: Kemp at January 01, 2010 12:21 PM (2+9Yx) I'm sure that will be next on the communist agenda.

53 New Liberal Slogan:

Quality Healthcare at the Point of a Gun.

54 Mandatory acceptance of Medicare patents or you don't get to keep your Dr's license.

They would never do such a thing - that is almost like slavery...

... then again, knowing Barry attended a racist marxist church for twenty years, it is probably the goal. Effing Illinois Nazi.

55

Dr's charge a premium for their services because of the barrier to entry that the education and the license afford them.

Without the state sanctioned license, they are just a nice guys.  Lawyers enjoy this same benefit, as do bankers.

All this is done, as you know, to "protect" the public.

Morons unite, we need a moron license from "Barry"  He certainly is the chief moron, sorry Ace.

56

the complaint that patients cannot pay is "overstated." He then says the decision to forgo Medicare patients is all about money.

Standard liberal argument #3: you should pay more, because you have more. The fact that you have more (that I want) proves that you are greedy. If you didn't have so much, I wouldn't want so much of it.

57 Isn't there something in the hellcare bill that will provide *free* med school to the undeserving, so we'll end up with more bad doctors to provide the *free* medical services?

58 This is why Obama always talks in terms of doctors being do-gooders, rather than smart people who have many (lucrative) options and choose medicine as a profession.

Under Obama, perhaps med school will attract the students who would usually work for NGOs in DC for a pittance.  The people who want to make a difference.  We'll say hello to Dr Ezra Klein.

59 The Obama way is to dump some taxpayer money into the hospital, and let the healthcare czar take over operations.  He and his other communists running our country know how to teach this hospital a lesson or two.

60 So the Medicare cost curve has been bent.

No more Medicare costs at this clinic.

Savings achieved.

Deficit cut.

What's not to like?

61 Don't we want government check deadbeats off the dole?

62 What happens when all private companies drop government healthcare?

Deadbeats won't get free care.

The end of a welfare program.

Costs cut.

Deficit reduced.

Government influence diminished.

I'm searching ... hard ... for a downside here.

63 Every move he makes; every step he takes....Obama proves over and over again why Obama Care is a total hoax.  It won't reduce the deficit, it won't make health care available to more people and it won't cost less, either.  This is just one case in point.

Now, factor in the planned REDUCTION in Medicare funding, as dictated by the bill the fraud will sign, and you get the sense that it's headed right down a highway to Hell.

Doctors everywhere have "shut off" Medicaid/Medicare patients and Obama wants to ADD thirty million more?  I know that in Texas and Vermont, you have to look high and low to find ANY doctor who accepts Medicaid or Medicare.  If and when you do find one, it's a day trip just to get to their office. 

It makes NO sense at all.  None.  Zero.  Zilch.  Zippo.

I become eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare in August.  It should be one Helluva ride.

64 I'll bet Barry is severely pissed at this news. It's gonna make him look like a real dumbass.

You guys really don't play much chess, do you?

No ... Barry most likely put them up to it. Mayo is likely in on the subterfuge (note that it's not Mayo worldwide, just these 4 clinics in Arizona ... and only affecting about 3,000 patients).

Only now Barry has the impetus to convince Congress to pass a law requiring all hospitals to treat Medicare patients.

And ... mate.

65

You guys really don't play much chess, do you?

No ... Barry most likely put them up to it. Mayo is likely in on the subterfuge (note that it's not Mayo worldwide, just these 4 clinics in Arizona ... and only affecting about 3,000 patients).

Only now Barry has the impetus to convince Congress to pass a law requiring all hospitals to treat Medicare patients.

And ... mate.

Too heavy handed. Even Preznit Toonces would try a more subtle approach.

66 and just like our Flt 253 bomber, you just know Barney Frank's thong would be
Flaaaming!

67

We found a black thong-type on your bedroom floor this morning. No clue who they belong to....

Yeah, CoolCzech, kinda creepy before the correction.  Funny, but creepy.

68 "the Canadians will really be screwed and they will get to enjoy socialized medicine without being able to make a quick hop across the border into the U.S."

Are you kidding? With a fistful of cash, they are going to the front of the line!

69 Too heavy handed. Even Preznit Toonces would try a more subtle approach.

Posted by: Tinian at January 01, 2010 01:07 PM (7+pP9)

One party rule doesn't need subtlety.

70 I'm an RN and physicians as a group are very discouraged. They feel they're under attack. More than 50% are considering a career change. Most are downsizing their lifestyles and practices. This is just the beginning. There is a healthcare tsunami rolling our way. All thanks to Obamacare.

71 25 Hey, off topic, but is any moronette missing a pair of panties?

We found a black thong-type on your bedroom floor this morning. No clue who they belong to, but the front has "herestherum" embroidered on it.  47 35 Those thongs are mine!
Posted by: Barney Frank at January 01, 2010 11:56 AM (cLh9T)

CC, take a closer look at that thong.  Barney's are embroidered with "herestherub" on the back.

72 Obama on US healthcare: Fore!

73 CC, take a closer look at that thong. Barney's are embroidered with "herestherub" on the back. Posted by: runningrn at January 01, 2010 02:21 PM (CfmlF) I would have thought his would have said, "Enter at Your Own Risk" on the back.

74

There ya go.

Cutting half a trillion from medicare payments and then counting that money twice as savings didn't have any impact on the Mayo Clinic.

The Mayo Clinic agrees with Obama's decision to kill off hundreds of thousands of seniors, and was going to do its part anyway.

75

This particular Mayo Clinic is just down the street from my house.  It's not a very large operation:  It's in one of those single story medical condo office park deals.

There's yet another Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale (on Mayo Blvd no less) that's actually hospital sized, and from TFA it's still accepting Medicare.

I believe the rub with Medicare is that residencies are actually funded through Medicare.  So if you have residents, you have to take Medicare.

The other thing to consider with Medicare/Medicaid is that many doctors who still accept those programs can only afford to do so by walking a very fine line between fraud and sharp business practices:  They've figured out how to use billing to circumvent the system.

76 I'm still trying to figure out why this is bad.

Medicare is "government health care" - by definition. Aren't conservatives against "government health care?"

If Mayo says they're not going to do government health care any longer, isn't that a good thing?

Aren't those bums getting "free" health care on our dime now out one more place to get it? Doesn't that make "government health care" not as good as "private health care?"

Aren't they now forced to pay for their own health care? And get it from a private business - paying cash?

How is this bad again?

77

i don't know why liberals seem to think paying doctors almost nothing has no downsides.  i mention the already fairly high refusal rates for medicare in many areas and they just don't seem to get that it is already a problem. 

it's like they don't understand that doctors have to pay salaries for non-doctor staff, buy equipment, rent or purchase office space, settle student loan debt, and provide income for a family (doctors like to have kids, the horror). 

and that isn't even counting insurance and taxes.

i guess they think doctors pluck a practice off the practice tree and have zero costs so when they charge 100$ for a visit it is pure profit. 

 

78

The federal government is now in charge of most of your life and business options, the takeover has been astonishing this past year, and since it's been unreported by the main/lame stream press, it has gone unnoticed by many.

There are 3 major auto companies in the US, the federal government owns 2 of them.  ALL of the major banks are owned by or beholden to the federal government.  95% of ALL mortgages in the US are now funneled through either 1)FHA or 2) Fannie Mae, or 3) Freddie Mac.  The Federal Reserve and its policies, the enormous debts being run up through failed stimulus policies, the run up in stock prices unconnected to reality, continuing high unemployment, most state governments & municipalities teetering on bankruptcy, who benefits from all this chaos, the federal government that's who.  Never waste a good crisis.

Cap and Trade (TAX) has been passed by the House and could still pass the Senate, obviously any bill at all in this area would be signed by The Won, thus putting the entire energy sector under White House control.  Gas at $5 per gallon, check.  Home heating costs at thousands of dollars per home per month, check.  Check out the real reason why so-called "Smart Meters" are being touted as so energy efficient, what a Smart Meter does is shut off the power to your house when the energy czar feels like it. 

The destruction of health care is proceeding apace.  If the government takes it over, as it is poised to do later this month, then what?  Will doctors be ordered to provide care to Medicare & Medicaid patients or go to jail?  Right now the House version of health care destruction includes jail time for those of us who don't purchase insurance, what would stop the feds from jailing doctors who refuse to see patients? 

When does the body politic come back into balance?  Right now the statists and their bureaucrats in office are running roughshod over freedom and laughing about it.

79 Didn't Mayo support odumo's health care plan?

80 Mayo Clinic be eating this decision stat.

81

Mayo's position is:

"While encouraged by the Senate bill, Mayo Clinic will neither endorse nor oppose
entire bills in the House or Senate, but will continue to point out provisions that we
think move the country toward patient]centered health care goals."

The MC is more or less supporting moves in the right direction, and opposing moves in the wrong direction.  Examples:

"Mayo Clinic supports the proposed insurance exchange model based on the Office of Personnel Management's Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan (FEHBP). This system will improve access to insurance, make reforms to the current insurance system that eliminate pre]existing condition exclusions and create an individual mandate where individuals can purchase private insurance in various ways. We also believe that the government should help people pay for insurance premiums through sliding scale subsidies as needed."

"Expanding this (Medicare) system to persons 55 to 64 years old would ultimately hurt patients by accelerating the financial ruin of hospitals and doctors across the country. A majority of Medicare providers currently suffer great financial loss under the program. Mayo Clinic alone lost $840 million last year under Medicare. As a result of these types of losses, a growing number of providers have begun to limit the number of Medicare patients in their practices.  Despite these provider losses, Medicare has not curbed overall spending, especially after adjusting for benefits covered and the cost shift from Medicare to private insurance.  This is clearly an unsustainable model, and one that would be disastrous for our nationfs hospitals, doctors and eventually our patients if expanded to even more beneficiaries."

For more info see healthpolicyblog dot mayoclinic dot org

82 Please do a piece on Deathachusetts. They have ObamaCare already. Emergency rooms are overwhelmed (irony!) because many people can't get a primary doctor. Boston's wait for a doc is eight times longer than Atlanta. Year long waits for a doctor appointment are common. It is ugly.

83 Obama speaking to the cost curve: "get bent"

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