1 He'll fudge it.

2 BREAKING:  Obama has announced that he's deploying the national guard to California to prevent gays from marrying.

3 Please, as if I would let that loser anywhere near my cock....

4

React? Don't hold your breath but not because he'll punt and vote 'present'.

It's his birthday and since Patricia Ewing is out of the country, he and Rahm decided to hit up one of their old time stomping grounds near Boystown IYKWIM.

Ask again tomorrow when the party is over.

5 Exactly, turnout and excitement.  This decision means nothing as the legal wheels grind on.

6 PS Suck the barbed cock of Satan. Lick the toothed  pussy of Sataness

7 Ace, Ace, Ace.  You forget that liberals are only about "the will of the people" when it agrees with them.  Obama is really against gay marriage like I'm against a threesome with Heidi Klum and Selma Hayek.

8 So are barbed cocks a gay subculture?

9

Oh, PS, Judge Walker--

Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

I now want to marry Judge Walker.

Throw me a rope someone. I'm drowning in irony here!

10 Dear Leader is himself the biggest, most obvious fag ever to occupy the White House.  It could not be more appropriate that this decision comes on his birthday.

When are you Californians going to learn that your votes don't mean anything?  What, Prop 187 wasn't enough schooling for you?  Here, have a taste of this.

Arizona?  Same deal, suckers.

Missouri?  Keep a close fuckin' eye on this; you're next.

There is no law in this country other than that which our robed masters prescribe for us.

11 Can't the man just eat his waffle in peace?

12 PS Suck the barbed cock of Satan.

Oh no.  Judge Walker would enjoy that.

13 Barky was against it before he was for it.  Or something.

I'm sure he'll come up with some garbled spin.   In the meantime, I'm feeling kinda bamboozled. 

14
Obama, the savvy ruler he is, will do what he does best: divide the country.

We both know Obama doesn't give a rip about homosexual marriage. But Obama does care about ripping this country apart. He'll use the homosexuals to his political advantage.

15 This is a good "authentically black" moment for Obama. He can go "left/liberal" or he can go "black" but he can't do both.

Prediction: he'll try like hell to do neither in this case.

16 Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

Just like you Ace, seeing the good in everything.

17  

18

17  

THREAD WINNER

19 Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

Do we hear 80 seats in house???  How many non-urban seats will the dems have left?

20 the people of california acted stupidly.......the court had to do something!/////

21

Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

I'm actually getting pretty pissed right now, and I didn't even vote on prop 8

22 Oh, no, I'm going to have to listen to the whole stupid non-arguments again!

It's a leftist thing: keep litigating until you get the outcome you want, then declare the matter (whatever it may be) settled. By which time, everyone else is so sick of discussing whatever it is that they throw up their hands in despair.

It works, you know.

23 Hey, lighten up crackas.  I'll be gettin' my partay on tonight.  Wagyu with my peeps.  Don't hate me 'cause I'm better than you.

Oops.  Forgot Bo.  I'll get Joe to put him on AF Two. 

24 The judge acted stupidly, but Californians are still racist homophobes. Except my supporters, of course.  Even if they did support Prop 8.

25 This is a message that basically tells us it's pointless to vote.  November won't change anything as they'll simply deem our votes invalid and some shitfuck of a judge will declare Nancy Pelosi speaker for life.

26

Do leftists have bigger bladders than the rest of us?  The way they can sit there and drink the Kool-Aid, it sure seems so

27 This feels to me like Waterloo. This is the judicial establishment gone utterly lawless.

...exact same thing happened in Iowa a year ago, you know.

Anyway, California gays, please rush out and get married immediately!  The federal income tax "marriage penalty" is increasing Jan 1; Obama needs your money.

28
oh, almost forgot...

KEITH OLBERMANN SPEAKS FOR ME

I saw that ^ on a bumper sticker today in Boston, along with many other hate-filled rants that could fit on bumper stickers.

29 "IT'S ALL OVER! IT'S ALL OVER! THE GAYS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GAYS WIN THE PENNANT!"

30 Our auxiliary bladder is contained in our heads.  Why waste space on a brain when one can drink loads of Kool-Aid before having to go to the bathroom?

31 Who needs actual voters when we have marked ballots in the trunks of cars? But we already knew that. I guess this judge did find some precedent after all.

32 I'd kill to be Major Garrett during Gibbsy's presser tomorrow.  Just for an hour.  However, I'll happily settle for a bowl of popcorn.

33 ( does anyone take typing class in high school any more ?? )

NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY.....

34
wow longtime troll JEA actually made me lol!

35
next up: DADT

36 Votes certainly do count, just not ours. It's in the Constitution I think.

37 wow just wow......
maybe Beck is right, maybe it is how the law is taught in law school that has led to this legislating from the bench.  just got the text "God created adam and eve, not adam and steve"...I know I know...

38 At this point, I'm going to vote for any restriction on marriage I can find, just because I'm sick of this nonsense.

Did the entire country not get to watch the incredible, inept, actively offensive displays put on by various "activists" after Prop 8? Honestly, it was enough to send reasonable voters in the other direction by a much bigger margin than Prop 8 got!

39 Birthday Party at the Bathhouse tonight !

40 Gimme Gay Marriage !!  Give everybody Gay Marriage !!

41 33 ( does anyone take typing class in high school any more ?? )
_______________

I think they call it "keyboarding" these days.

42 Gays do have the right to be every bit as miserable as the rest of us though.  Just saying.

43 Posted by: BO on the down low at August 04, 2010 05:36 PM (Wq0+q)

Ah so is that what "batchelor" is a code word for...

44

And the judge is gay, which obviously gives him lots of insights into the whole breeder thing.

 

45 Can't you California gays just find a testosterone soaked amazonian like i did and keep it on the DL?

46 How many non-urban seats will the dems have left?

I do look forward to the urban seat holders assuring their constitutents that they're not really all up in this Calfornia gay thing...even though they are, because it gives them precedent for overruling things like SB1070 and yesterday's Missouri referendum.

47 The will of the people vs the will of the progressive judiciary.

48 Near-term timeline: 1. Judge rules against Prop 8. 2. Appealed to Ninth. 3. Election occurs; as ace noted, tunrout will be up. 4. Ninth upholds (let's not kid ourselves). 5. Appealed to SC. 6. Knocked down by SC sometime next session. Result: hollow victory *and* it puts more people congenial to laws/amendments like Prop 8 in office resulting in, well more Prop 8-like laws/amendments, now with the blessing of the SC.

49
curious raises an interesting point...

we need to graph the decline in ethics of both journalism and the judiciary

I'll bet they track each other nicely.

50 I'm sure the polls poles will show overwhelming support for this unprecedented decision.

51 This is one of those damn you Bush moments for me. I pestered anyone who would listen (i.e., 0) back in the day that the most important thing W could do was reign in the judiciary. Instead, he let the Senate fillibuster his picks. Oh, and he signed TARP. And he and McCain both acted like they farted when the Oct2008 recession hit instead of striking back with the "who owns fannie mae" stuff that any conservative can enunciate.

52 Question: How Will Dear Leader React?

What chu talkin' bout, Ace?

53 Gays do have the right to be every bit as miserable as the rest of us though.  Just saying.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 04, 2010 05:38 PM (ndlFj)

True. If it weren't such a slippery slope I'd say let 'em have it all, including  divorce court.

Even then they probably wouldn't shut the fuck up.

54 42 Gays do have the right to be every bit as miserable as the rest of us though.  Just saying.
Posted by: dfbaskwill

I guess the lack of legal incumberances (I'll spell that however I like!) was just too much to bear. What with all the extra taxes, and community property and other kinds of legal misery, a gay settling-down or break-up was so much worse! They felt deprived because they didn't necessarily need a lawyer to part ways!

55 Now, I can marry my one, true love.

56 "47 The will of the people vs the will of the progressive judiciary.

Posted by: davidt at August 04, 2010 05:40 PM (HtIec)"

next up, the AZ immigration law...

and next.....the mo healthcare vote...

57 And, as the press shows with respect to the Arizona issue...an issue is "controversial" when only 70% of the public supports it.

58 How's Barry going to explain THIS one to King Abdullah?

59 Ace, don't tell Gabe about this.  Oh, never mind.

60 They felt deprived because they didn't necessarily need a lawyer to part ways!

Shit, I'm old enough to remember when gays sneered at marriage as something unenlightened breeders did because they were too timid/lame/stupid to just go out and fuck as they pleased.

61 African Americans in general oppose homosexual marriage anything.

62

next up, the AZ immigration law...

and next.....the mo healthcare vote...

Posted by: curious at August 04, 2010 05:41 PM (p302b)

Might as well chain the doors shut on Capitol Hill, we don't need them anymore.

63 Run amok!

64
Temporary stay granted, AoS trolls hardest hit.

65 HeatherRadish@60, same here. Funny how the, uh, worm has turned...

66 But somehow prop 1a (CA high speed rail) isn't unconstitutional even though it only would provide services for a very select group of the population. sure, people from far away can use the rail services, if they move. Gays can still be married with Prop 8. No person has been denied that privilige. It's just that they'd have to marry a person of the opposite sex. hum...

67 HeatherRadish, so am I.

Was it only the 80's?

68 Wow, Ace has only now figured out that the Rule of Law is gone and the US has become a banana republic? Welcome to reality dude.

69
okay, everyone is irritated so let's take a little break for some music trivia.

I mentioned earlier that singer Bobby Hebb won't be down for breakfast.

HOW MANY TIMES DOES HE SING SUNNY IN HIS SONG "SUNNY?"

70 48

You're awfully sanguine about the matter.  You do know that Anthony Kennedy's on the court, and noted homosexual Souter got replaced by "devout Catholic" Sotomayor, who, let's not kid ourselves, would love to be down there on the ground burning Mormon churches with the other protestors?

71 Is it better to be hated by the world or the laughing stock we are now.  They are whispering about us like the popular kids whisper about the intelligent nerd group.

72 All citizens are equal. Some are just more equal. Jazz Hands!

73 Thieves and scoundrels these effing judges are. vote them all out.

74

We both know Obama doesn't give a rip about homosexual marriage. But Obama does care about ripping this country apart. He'll use the homosexuals to his political advantage.

This is Toonce's Catch-22.....appeal to blacks or gays.....  he can't have it both ways.

75 ...so you can marry anyone you want, but you have to check the right demographic boxes on your application for a doctor's appointment.

Yeah, the left is all about civil rights.

76 How can Obama be against gay marriage?  He married a dude!

77
Sunny

78 Boo! from al-Qaeda

79 Kool-Aid Enthusiast, you owe me a new keyboard.

80 This is Bush's fault. I've inherited this mess.

81

So why is is that Prop 8, a constitutional admendment unconstitutional for disagreeing with another part of the constitution? Might it be that prop 8 is constitutional and fairness part of the constitution or whatever the fuck is NOT constitutional?

82
Breaking: A tsunami of sperm is racing down Castro Street as joyous gay men break free from 2000 years of oppression under the rule of the straight white man. Film at 11.

83 How Will Dear Leader React?

We betting?

I'll take a dime on airball, a nickel on "wee-wee," and one on crackhead limo blow-job confession, just in case.

84

What are votes worth? Nothing, apparently.

 

Votes are only worth something when they are cast by illegal immigrants, union thugs, dead people, various and assorted Liberal Democrats, and felons. 

85 73 Thieves and scoundrels these effing judges are.
vote them all out.


Federal Judges have a LIFETIME appointment, there is no voting about it.

You knew that, right?

86 This is Toonce's Catch-22.....appeal to blacks or gays.....  he can't have it both ways.

The blacks will never ever abandon him.  Even if he efffs things up so badly that no black Democrat can be elected President for decades...

87 "HOW MANY TIMES DOES HE SING SUNNY IN HIS SONG "SUNNY?"" Is this the 12" version?

88 African Americans in general oppose homosexual marriage anything.

Posted by: davidt at August 04, 2010 05:43 PM (HtIec)

If BO suddenly becomes pro gay marriage, watch them do a 180.

89 Don't worry, don't worry.  Just like everything else that's wrong with this country, we can fix this in the next two election cycles.  Seriously, we mean it this time.  The system is *not* hopelessly broken.

90 73 Thieves and scoundrels these effing judges are.
vote them all out.

Posted by: mbruce at August 04, 2010 05:45 PM (Fr8N6)

While they may be thieves and scoundrels, they're lifetimers and you ain't voting them out of shit.

91
you getting technical on me, Oven Mitts?

92 Votes are only worth something when they are cast by illegal immigrants, union thugs, dead people, various and assorted Liberal Democrats, and felons.

Don't forget hanging chads!

93 Hispanics frown upon teh gheys as well.  Of course, Barry has his minions working overtime to shove amnesty down our throats.  So they'll have that.

94

So why is is that Prop 8, a constitutional admendment unconstitutional for disagreeing with another part of the constitution? Might it be that prop 8 is constitutional and fairness part of the constitution or whatever the fuck is NOT constitutional?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at August 04, 2010 05:48 PM (SfDpg)

Look, you right-wing Trog, it's simple.  I'll dumb it down so that even you knuckle draggers can understand-  If we're for it, it's constitutional.  If we're against it, it's not.  You dumb bastards.

95 More erosion of the family.  More attack on God and people of faith.  More of trying to break people apart and not bring people together.  And, you say blacks will never abandon him just because he is black.  Are you sure of that?  Wait until they realize that they are going to be paying taxes that they haven't paid for 8 years....think they will still stand by him then?

96 I'm still shocked that Ted Olson was one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs.

97

You know, every day there is more crap to be pissed off about, and I have come to realize that it is changing me as a person.   I am running out of patience.   I have noticed that when I'm out and about during the day, things that I just used to blow off I don't let go anymore.   Standing in line, if something pisses me off, I say something about it.   I get lousy service, I don't let it go anymore.   I'm turning into a royal bitch, and just don't freakin' care what anyone thinks about it.

I didn't use to be this way.   I've tried not listening to the news or paying any attention to politics for a week or so, but when I come back to it, I just get pissed off all over again, and it gets worse every time.   I worry about what happens when someone who can't control the anger any longer decides to let go.   Maybe that's what the fucksticks want, but all I know is we have to, just have to, take control in November.   If we don't, this country is truly fucked.

 

98 The blacks will never ever abandon him.  Even if he efffs things up so badly that no black Democrat can be elected President for decades...

That will obviously be Whitey's fault.  It will therefore be totally justifiable for Obama's base to run out there and kill some cracker babies.

Oh damn, I'm sorry; according to the news today it already, literally is...

99

...exact same thing happened in Iowa a year ago, you know.

Except we never got to vote on it. It was all completely in the courts, in Des Moines.

100 So I apologize if this was covered recently, but I admit I don't really know why ace is opposed to gay marriage.  The other post seemed to just assume we know it's an obviously flawed decision. 

I happen to agree with ace on this, but I am just curious why he's pro "choice" but against gay marriage.  Is it based purely on his legal interpretation of the ruling or is it more fundamental (such as recognizing how ludicrous it is to arbitrarily redefine marriage)? 

ace, if you're here - could you comment or point us to an earlier post where you flesh out your position? 

101 Wonder who Batchelor Barry is hanging with tonight? 

102 Be prepared, i think Obama is going to reactivate every hot button issue he can before november.

103 @68
Wow, Ace has only now figured out that the Rule of Law is gone and the US has become a banana republic? Welcome to reality dude.

Heh Heh Heh.  He said "banana"

104

Maybe Obama should sue California to stop the law from being overturned? Suing seems all the rage with liberals today and Obama could use some of that stimulus cash to keep the trial lawyers employed. What's not to love?

November, gang, November. Make it a fall they will never forget.

105 dudeinsantacruz, it's California. Our constitution is not a coherent document, and it contradicts itself every time the voters pass another amendment.

That's how the judge could get anything he wanted out of it.

I tried to read through the California constitution once, and gave up. It's ridiculous.

106 Follow the money. Homosexual marriage is about spousal insurance benefits, etc.

107

African Americans in general oppose homosexual marriage anything.

 

Prop 8 passed exactly because African Americans in general, oppose gay marriage.  They turned out in huge numbers in CA to vote for Obama and also voted yes on Prop 8.  Ironic, huh?

108 The blacks will never ever abandon him.  Even if he efffs things up so badly that no black Democrat can be elected President for decades...

Posted by: Hatchet Five at August 04, 2010 05:49 PM (GBTXy)

I wouldn't bet on it. Blacks ARE overwhelmingly anti-gay. How that squares in the end, I don't know but I bet it doesn't bode well for Barack.

109 This is the judicial establishment gone utterly lawless.

You rang?

110 drudge is reporting the judge is gay, which i am sure has nothing to do with it, and will be dutifully reported by our media along with Manning's hatred of DADT

111 Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

That was my exact first thought.  There is going to be a reckoning.

This feels to me like Waterloo.

Between the AZ law decision, the VA lawsuit going forward, the MO overwhelming vote, and now this, I am starting to get a weird feeling of:

♪ There is something happenin here, what it is, isn't exactly clear ♪

Except they are the man.  We are becoming a nation no longer of laws, but of the whims of the elite, but the people are going to get agitated beyond control at some point.  If it doesn't come at the ballot box in November and if those people don't move to bring us back, I fear there is going to be trouble.

112 107 Follow the money. Homosexual marriage is about spousal insurance benefits, etc.

But they have that already.  Heck, even Indiana extended spousal benefits to domestic partners when I was living there several years ago. 

113 That douche Rob Reiner was on CNN, I believe it was, positively giddy he had Ted Olson in his camp. 

114 I'm still shocked that Ted Olson was one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2010 05:51 PM (VuLos)

I think Ted went off the rails a bit after Barbara died.  (Excuse me.. when Barbara was murdered by fucking Islamic savages).  I'll give the guy a pass.

115

Step 1:  Gays don't marry, but get to be on each other's benefits.

Step 2:  Gays get the right to marry, but no one has any interest, because they get to be on each other's benefits without it.  Gays' marriage rate stays "surprisingly" low.

Step 3:  Straights start noticing that a system where gays get all the benefits of marriage for just shacking up is unfair.  "Why can't we have all the benefits of marriage, like being on each other's health plan, without marriage?  We deserve the same benefits even though we're only shacking up!"   

End result:  Have fun ever trying to get a man to marry you ladies!

[Cannot tell you how pissed off it makes me that the gays in my life end up on each other's benefits packages within 10 minutes of cornholing....]

116 Damned sock.

117
wow did you ever think we'd have to send lawyers into court to defend marriage elect an anti-American leftist college lecturer named Hussein for president see a mosque built at Ground Zero after 9/11?

118 If I am forced, by law, to recognize "married" homosexuals, then they should be forced to provide me a life time supply of fabulous shoes.

119 So.. fist-fucking is now covered by the first amendment but free speech is not.

120 Jay in Ames--that's right...legislature never brought it up.  Where am I thinking of?

121 I'm pretty sure Obama's going to say something like: "The American people, as some will say, should reject the false choice between supporting gay marriage and opposing it." Of course, I have no idea what that means.

122 48 Near-term timeline:

1. Judge rules against Prop 8.
2. Appealed to Ninth.
3. Election occurs; as ace noted, tunrout will be up.
4. Ninth upholds (let's not kid ourselves).
5. Appealed to SC.
6. Knocked down by SC sometime next session.

Result: hollow victory *and* it puts more people congenial to laws/amendments like Prop 8 in office resulting in, well more Prop 8-like laws/amendments, now with the blessing of the SC.


Nicely played, my fine feathered friend.

123

I tried to read through the California constitution once, and gave up. It's ridiculous.

I know. All the props are constitutional admendments these days. Like fucking prop 2. it's in our constitution that we have to treat chickens we're gonna eat better.

yeah, I'm mad as hell.

124

Wonder who Batchelor Barry is hanging with tonight? 

A hawt Poke-E-stun-E named Raheem?

125 Marriage is not requisite for naming anyone your insurance beneficiary.

Marriage is not requisite for giving your same sex partner your power of attorney for hospital visitation rights.

Gay marriage is all about refusing the rights of traditional marriage families to raise children.

126 Follow the money. Homosexual marriage is about spousal insurance benefits, etc.

Bingo.

127 drudge is reporting the judge is gay, which i am sure has nothing to do with it, and will be dutifully reported by our media along with Manning's hatred of DADT

My understanding is that Vaughn Walker actually has an impeccable reputation as a judge.

Still, he clearly should have recused himself because of the appearance of impropriety.  Cuz he sucks dicks, and stuff.

128
Massachusetts.

The speaker promised us that we'd be able to vote on homo marriage after the state's court ruled it legal by judicial fiat.

It never went on the ballot.

129 My very gay hair stylist (and ex-Navy sailor, lol) and his partner are very conservative and anti-gay marriage.  The guy is a Glenn Beck fanatic, too.  Can't wait to hear him rant next week. 

130

It is not clear to me why it is so important that Gay People can be married. Marriage only has one purpose, and that is to foster the proper human development stages of childern recieved from both a man and a woman.

Other than that marriage is pointless...I mean C'mon lets get real.....just because your married doesn't mena you don't cheat (wink-wink fellas)!

What is it exactly that they are expecting to get out of it? 

131 If the judge says that marriage is not defined as being between a man and a woman, then what is the new definition of marriage? Is there a new list of who is included and who is excluded?

132
And I hate those fucking FIATS

133 How that squares in the end, I don't know but I bet it doesn't bode well for Barack.

...unless pictures of him enjoying himself at the bathhouse tonight surface, he'll mention he didn't appoint the judge, and they'll go on loving him.

134

@86: "Federal Judges have a LIFETIME appointment, there is no voting about it."

Not really - with a lifetime appointment, any motivated individual can vote them *out*; they just don't get to vote the replacement *in*.  This judge may well need his own security detail, lest he experience "one man, one vote" democracy in action - there are a lot of highly motivated crazies out there on both sides of this issue.

President Hector Lopez: There has been a mistake with my cheque. Look at it! It's *half* the usual amount.
Franz Sanchez: You were very quiet when I was arrested. Remember, you're only president... for life.

135 This is good news.  If California attracts all the leftist Hollywood actors, the sexual deviants and the illegal aliens then it keeps them away from the rest of the country.

California: Flypaper Of The USA

136 La Mauvaise New Yorkaise, I hate to tell you this, but you, too, can register for domestic partnership benefits!

You don't even have to shack up! Just get a long term roomie, of whatever sex.

137 He did grant the stay pending appeal.  There's no "irreparable harm" to gays waiting a year or so to perform their Knob-Gobbler Nuptials, but it would cause them irreparable harm to be "married" for a year and then get the blistering Nino-authored, "So sorry.  Bite me. (Not really)" decision.

138 Posted by: sickinmass at August 04, 2010 05:57 PM (1rflU)

I have a lot of gay friends, living in the bluest state of all, and they all know how I feel, I'm not a hypocrite.  I'm honest with my friends.  And I say, "don't tell me about that, it's disgusting, ewwww"

139 Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at August 04, 2010 05:44 PM (SfDpg)

Don't  forget the Wine Train !! 

Fuck the taxpayers !  Build a silly train from nowhere to somewhere else, right along an existing road, so people will get out of their evil cars and........get back in their cars again and........

never mind. 

140

What are votes worth? Nothing, apparently.

not the last time i will say this but...

IF VOTING ACTUALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.

141 just because your married doesn't mena you don't cheat (wink-wink fellas)!

What do you mean, just fellas?

142 Herr,

If I am forced, by law, to recognize "married" homosexuals, then they should be forced to...

recognize that heterosexuality is legitimate, too.

143 I wouldn't bet on it. Blacks ARE overwhelmingly anti-gay. How that squares in the end, I don't know but I bet it doesn't bode well for Barack.

They'll overlook it, just like they make excuses for every other fuck-up of his.

144 I get the distinct feeling Barky encouraged Lt. Worf to take the youngest chubby kid to Spain so he could have a batchelor birthday night.

I'm absolutely convinced Michelle's his beard. 

145 What are votes worth? Nothing, apparently.

So what's a mossberg 590 with tac-lite runnin' nowadays?

Ooo, Levin's coming on. This is gonna be an AWESOME RANT!

146

If the judge says that marriage is not defined as being between a man and a woman, then what is the new definition of marriage? Is there a new list of who is included and who is excluded?

Oh fuck, that's true isn't it? Prop 8 was not a ban per se, but a reaffirmation of what marraige is. So marraige doesn't exist? I am so confused...

147 125

Wonder who Batchelor Barry is hanging with tonight? 

A hawt Poke-E-stun-E named Raheem?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2010 05:57 PM (T3YvQ)

That little bitch better not be!

148

So I apologize if this was covered recently, but I admit I don't really know why ace is opposed to gay marriage.  The other post seemed to just assume we know it's an obviously flawed decision. 

One doesn't have to be opposed to gay marriage to be pissed off about the ruling.

We're talking about a state constitutional amendment approved by voters that was overturned by an activist judge using the legal reasoning of "because I wanna".  Don't matter whether the amendment bans gay marriage or banning guns- a bad decicision is a bad decision.

149 Its these types of things that make me get as paranoid as Glenn Beck, that the purpose is to tear down all traditions and replace them with what the state says is "good".

150 So if I move to Ca can I declare myself a mormon and marry my assistant ( without divorcing my present wife ) and have her covered under my Tricare Health Insurance and not have to pay for her like I do now?

151

I have a lot of facial hair, but I wouldn't call it a "beard", exactly....

152 Steph @ 98....you are not alone.  I am exactly the same. It is 100% attributed to this entire socialist/marxist asshole in office & his wretched anti-American agenda.  It has had a profound effect on me, truly.

153 just because your married doesn't mena you don't cheat (wink-wink fellas)!

That's right.  We can all go out and get a little strange.  In my case, the only penalty would be a half-dozen rounds of 9mm in my chest and the last thing I'd see as I floated above my casket would be Frau taking a dump on my withered corpse. 

154

151 Normalize Noramalize Normalize

 

155

Why the hell was Ted Olson involved in this?

This is really a serious stain on Barbara Olson's life and legacy.

[And I'm not being facetious or sarcastic or whatever when I say that.]

In addition to asking yourself, "Why bother to vote?", you also ask yourself, "Why bother to have a GOP?", if it is going to be dominated by anti-constitutional nihilists like Ted Olson.

 [Now I gotta go party in Boystown - see ya later, alligator.]

 

156 If California attracts all the leftist Hollywood actors, the sexual deviants and the illegal aliens then it keeps them away from the rest of the country.

IF?

157 133 If the judge says that marriage is not defined as being between a man and a woman, then what is the new definition of marriage? Is there a new list of who is included and who is excluded? Posted by: conscious, but incoherent

We're really like to know, too!

158 The judge is gay? Well then. The only proper judge here was either bi-sexual or asexaul jurist then.

159 just because your married doesn't mena you don't cheat (wink-wink fellas)!

Posted by: AshleyMadison.com at August 04, 2010 06:01 PM (p05LM)

Ashley Madison.... a sure sign that the Apocalypse is nigh.   We used to wink at immorality (hypocrisy being the tribute that vice pays to virtue, and all that).  Now we celebrate it.   Life is short!  Have an affair!   When the Muzzies institute sharia in America,  Ashley is pretty much done.

160 This gay marriage crap is accompanied by public educators teaching all children about sex, gay sex since that's what's age appropriate in early childhood.

161 So if I move to Ca can I declare myself a mormon and marry my assistant ( without divorcing my present wife ) and have her covered under my Tricare Health Insurance and not have to pay for her like I do now?

Of course not.  She'd have to have an addadictomy and become a man first.

162 or asexaul jurist then. Posted by: wtfci at August 04, 2010 06:05 PM (R4rMI) Ya mean he is married to a Jewish wife?

163 The judge is gay? Well then. The only proper judge here was either bi-sexual or asexaul jurist then.

EUNICH!

164 Don't  forget the Wine Train !! 

wait, what? Is this before my time? (I hope it's a joke)

165 If this is unconstitutional, then I can only submit that this Constitution is of little practical service to us, anymore.

"Marriage" joins "racism", "tolerance", and "democracy" as words that mean anything.  And if they mean anything, they mean nothing.

166 If California attracts all the leftist Hollywood actors, the sexual deviants and the illegal aliens then it keeps them away from the rest of the country.

Make sure they're all there, then drop a bunker-buster on the San Andreas.

167 Of course not. She'd have to have an addadictomy and become a man first. Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 04, 2010 06:06 PM (9PzaA) She can be a pretty big dick sometimes?

168 In my case, the only penalty would be a half-dozen rounds of 9mm in my chest and the last thing I'd see as I floated above my casket would be Frau taking a dump on my withered corpse. 

That's some nice mental imagery outta you, Herr....

169 Just to correct, we are a Republic not a Democracy.  Democracy leads to socialism.  The founders had it right.  For fun, watch Democracy NOW some night on PBS.

170 This is just like what happened to Proposition 187 (IIRC) in California back in '94 or '95. The one where Californians overwhelmingly voted for no benefits to illegals. Yes, sports fans.....I said Californians. And about 3 or 4 nanoseconds later the libtards shopped a federal judge to declare it unconstitutional. Our vote means zero, zip, nada. The Left figured this out many years ago and rule us all through judicial nullification. Heck of a lot easier than convincing 51% of us to follow their insane ideas (although they came pretty close in November of '0 .

171

 I get the distinct feeling Barky encouraged Lt. Worf to take the youngest kid to Spain so he could have a batchelor birthday night.

anybody have a contact with the tsa / us customs so we can get the passenger lists from a certain carribean island for a certain female who may have the intials v.b.?

172

I think Obama has been bamboozled by the court or possibly hoodwinked.

173 Just to correct, we are a Republic not a Democracy. Democracy leads to socialism. The founders had it right. For fun, watch Democracy NOW some night on PBS. Posted by: KF at August 04, 2010 06:08 PM (ytCsK) Oh because since Nov 2008 I thought we were fucked

174

#98

Don't feel alone brother.  It would be one thing if this change was once every 6 months or a year.  But it's every fucking day.  We are watching a cancer victim dying on their bed and getting worse everyday.  I can't stand to even listen to the news anymore.  If I happen to see Ovomit or hear his voice I switch the channel as fast as I can.  You're right, we better vote in new people come November, or we are living in the last days of a free country known as the United States of America.

175 Ok. You guys can talk about gay marriage and this Court decision and Zero and Arizona and whatnot, but at Hatchet Five's mention at #7 of "like I'm against a threesome with Heidi Klum and Selma Hayek", I'm just gonna have to get back to you all. I'll be in my bunk for a while.

176
Actually, the Anti-Federalists were right.

177 They'll overlook it, just like they make excuses for every other fuck-up of his.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at August 04, 2010 06:02 PM (GBTXy)

Yeah, you're probably right.

You'd just think that at some point, blacks would get fed up with being used.

178

Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

A perfect storm is brewing.

179
Federalism is dead.

Long live federalism.

180 This is one fight that (social) conservatives are going to lose.... not only that, they will lose an opportunity to preserve the religious definition of marriage, which is behind almost all opposition to gay marriage. The only other argument Ive heard against gay marriage is the "slippery slope" one. I dont get it. Polygamy (and polyandry) are inherently unequal, so a good secular argument can be made against those. Animals and children dont have legal standing, so dont even go there.

The answer is to get government out of "marriage" ..... period. Mexico and a number of other countries separated "marriage" and "civil union" long ago. There are two ceremonies, the legal one and the religious one. This leaves the religious definition of marriage to the religious institution of choice. Another benefit (and a fear I think is reasonable) is that it keeps gays from suing churches that do not want to perform gay marriages, as it separates one of these last few entanglements of church/state. Another possible plus... if you argue the religious angle for prohibiting gay marriage, how do you argue against polygamy when there are religions that expressly condone it?

The legal purpose of religion is to recognized a type of familial relationship... not a religious one. What is the problem of the state recognized a family relationship that the people involved want?

181 drop a bunker-buster on the San Andreas.
Posted by: Ian S.

Edgar Cayce saw Nebraska become the new west coast.

182

You'd just think that at some point, blacks would get fed up with being used.

Posted by: ErikW at August 04, 2010 06:10 PM (vZVtG)

 

Don't scare us like that!!!

183

We're always told that gays are so creative and the world would be such a dreary place without them. Well, if they're so damned creative why couldn't they create their own institution with their own rituals and ceremonies instead of fucking up the bedrock institution of civilization?

Because it's not about marriage, it's about:

Controlling thought and opinion through control of language; and

Destroying marriage to eliminate the last refuge the populace has from the state.

184

Lady in Black @ 154...What scares me the most is that even if we can start to fix things in November, will I ever be able to go back?  Will I always have to be on guard, watching & waiting, to be sure we never let the scum have the reins, again.   Even the jerks supposedly on our side.   I think the real reason I'm so angry is that fear is what's always under the surface, and honestly, I'm not one to be afraid of anything.   These assholes have made me afraid almost everyday for the last 18 months, and that's what truly pisses me off.

 

185 Just to correct, we are a Republic not a Democracy.

We're neither anymore.  We're an oligarchy.

186 And while we're on the subject of inequality, why doesn't the law respect temporary marriages?  If a man wanted to be married to, say, his massage therapist, for 50 minutes of well-compensated conjugal bliss, what right does the state have to say no?

187
wow Leigh, in just three short paragraphs you manage to poke enough holes in your argument as you went along and you sunk it yourself

188

Oh, PS, Judge Walker-- Thanks for the extra 7% turnout in November!!!

Don't worry, we got it covered.

189 George H.W. Bush appointed this gay judge.

Blame Bush Sr.

190

We're always told that gays are so creative and the world would be such a dreary place without them. Well, if they're so damned creative why couldn't they create their own institution with their own rituals and ceremonies instead of fucking up the bedrock institution of civilization?

 

We may not want that.  Ever see the Fremont Street Fair?

191

Polygamy (and polyandry) are inherently unequal, so a good secular argument can be made against those. Animals and children dont have legal standing, so dont even go there.

There is nothing inherently unequal about Polygamy (and polyandry).

And animals and children will have standing as soon as some judge decides to GIVE them standing (age of consent is but a stroke of a pen). I think we do need to go there before some judge takes us there.

192 I get the distinct feeling Barky encouraged Lt. Worf to take the youngest kid to Spain so he could have a batchelor birthday night.

Yeah, he'll invite his posse in, and go wild...have a couple of white wine spritzers, do each others' hair, tell scary ghost stories, and talk about how the police acted stupidly.

193

I didn't vote yes or no on Prop. 8. I left that line blank.

The screeching vengeful creepy behavior of the anti-Prop. 8 people after the measure passed caused me to decide that if I had it to do over, I would vote in favor of it. Today's subversion of process cements that view.

See, I was indifferent when I thought it was just about teh ghey. I have other things to worry about.  Now I realize that to a large extent, that was just a pretext.  The real purpose is to de-legitimize existing institutions for the sake of de-legitimizing them.  Today's decision undermines elections and the rule of law.

Proposition 8 passed based on large percentage of blacks and Hispanics (70% +) voting for it. So in a way, the judge is disenfranchising minorities.

194 And while we're on the subject of inequality, why doesn't the law respect temporary marriages?  If a man wanted to be married to, say, his massage therapist, for 50 minutes of well-compensated conjugal bliss, what right does the state have to say no?

It doesn't.  See Spears, Britney and Jason Alexander (no, not that one, a kid she knew growing up).

195 If this law somehow stands, be prepared to have your place of worship sued for not having gay marriage.  It will happen, count on it.  Freedom of religion is next on their radar screen.

196

What scares me the most is that even if we can start to fix things in November, will I ever be able to go back?  Will I always have to be on guard, watching & waiting, to be sure we never let the scum have the reins, again.   Even the jerks supposedly on our side.   I think the real reason I'm so angry is that fear is what's always under the surface, and honestly, I'm not one to be afraid of anything.   These assholes have made me afraid almost everyday for the last 18 months, and that's what truly pisses me off.

The situation is even worse than you realize.

But, in general, yes: The day has arrived when we can no longer live in the same society with these nilihists.

Purchase ammunition.

Homeschool your children.

And then just sit back and be patient - the situation is going to correct itself in the near future.

 

197 And while we're on the subject of inequality, why doesn't the law respect temporary marriages?  If a man wanted to be married to, say, his massage therapist, for 50 minutes of well-compensated conjugal bliss, what right does the state have to say no?

Actually, sharia law permits that.

198 "92 you getting technical on me, Oven Mitts?" Well, if it's the radio edit, then I'd say he says it about 20 times. But, if it's the 12" version, then I'm gonna have to guess about 2,672.

199

Because it's not about marriage, it's about:

Controlling thought and opinion through control of language; and

Destroying marriage to eliminate the last refuge the populace has from the state.

Posted by: SteveN

Yes. The first through last refuge, family and home. It's to remove parental authority to raise children to accept heterosexuality as normal.

200 The continued demoralization and accelerating decline of our society continues.

Ya know, Gabe disagrees.  I remember when he posted after Prop 8 passed.  He was hurt.  Very.  I understand that, and I can understand a gay man or woman feeling disenfranchised because society doesn't recognize their relationship as legitimated by law.  I bear no ill will to Gabe or any other homosexual.  Just to be clear, some of my best friends are homos.  _{<---Not really, but it had to be said for the fake authenticity.}

That doesn't have a fucking thing to do with it.

I am sick and tired of my language and my culture being subjugated to the government-instituted religion of hedonist secular humanism and identity politics.

It's funny that half of our Constitution appears to deal with the presence of blacks in America, in the various societal iterations that such folks have participated in American society, and not a damned word is said about homosexuals, or marriage, and yet within those portions of the document which really did deal specifically with a slave-class later integrated into normal society we can find an obligation to overturn all known human history as it relates to marriage.

201

@151

"Its these types of things that make me get as paranoid as Glenn Beck, that the purpose is to tear down all traditions and replace them with what the state says is "good".

I hate to tell you.....but doing some research on the purpose and the history of marriage....that is exactly what this whole mess is about. This administration marks the beginning of the end in my estimation, unless for some miracle that the Republicans pull their heads out of their asses, and actually represent the Conservative majority in this country.

The reason we originally rewarded Married Couples financially was to promote reproduction and strengthen and build a middle class. Human development requires input from both a man and a woman, otherwise nature would have compensated for it long ago. Marriage is the glue of a culture, the more people that are married the larger the middle class is, the larger the middle class is, the stronger the country is economically.

Now all the adopted kids will go to same sex marriage couples, and they will use technology to birth a new culture that fits their Ideals, so that the civilization can be bakrupted from within, and once the christian religion or religion in general is finally defeatable.....the state can fill the role of God! 

Homosexuals have just legislated themselves as a physical threat to the lives and freedom of an entire civilization. I'd laugh my ass off if it wasn't so F'n depressing and sad! 

 

202

This decision actually is pro inbreeding. It's what someone else said; laws about marraige are ment to foster a healthy next generation. Any argument you can make about gays getting married to fulfill this purpose I can use to explain why marrying your sister or mother or brother or father should be equally protected. Gays can adopt-so can siblings. Gays can love each other-so can siblings. It's the same thing. Marraige is a biological function more than anything.

203 Freedom of religion is next on their radar screen.

Next? For Christians, that has been the target of multiculturalism all along.

204

@109: "Blacks ARE overwhelmingly anti-gay"

Really, honey?

205

Where did this progressive, we-know-best elitism all start?

"With the decline of clerical power in the 18th century, a new

kind of mentor emerged to fill the vacuum and capture the ear

of society. The secular intellectual might be deist, sceptic or

atheist. But he was just as ready as any pontiff or presbyter

to tell mankind how to conduct its affairs. He proclaimed, from

the start, a special devotion to the interests of humanity and an

evangelical duty to advance them by his teaching. He brought

to this self-appointed task a far more radical approach than his

clerical predecessors. He felt himself bound by no corpus of

revealed religion. The collective wisdom of the past, the legacy of

tradition, the prescriptive codes of ancestral experience existed to

be selectively followed or wholly rejected entirely as his own good

sense might decide. For the first time in human history, and with

growing confidence and audacity, men arose to assert that they

could diagnose the ills of society and cure them with their own

unaided intellects: more, that they could devise formulae whereby

not merely the structure of society but the fundamental habits of

human beings could be transformed for the better. Unlike their

sacerdotal predecessors, they were not servants and interpreters

of the gods but substitutes. Their hero was Prometheus, who stole

the celestial fire and brought it to earth."

Paul Johnson,

Intellectuals, 1988.

206 201

Because it's not about marriage, it's about:

Controlling thought and opinion through control of language

THAT

207 Maybe the new Ground Zero Mosque will be a "uniting force", after all.  With 13 floors, think of all the gay marriages they could perform.

208 For Christians, that has been the target of multiculturalism all along.

Uh, yeah.  My faith does actually preclude calling two gays "married".  I guess my rights, memorialized in the First Amendment, just missed its reach-around, huh?

209 What's the president going to say? :

"I'm gay and I got married, what's the big deal?"

210



Obama doesn't give a rip about homosexual marriage.


Of course not.  He's already in one.

(beards should be marginally more attractive than the Klingon, though)

211

Hey guys, just wanted to check in and share my thoughts about this judges decision with you.

*shakes jazz hands*

I'm just tickled pink with the fact that all my fellow rump rangers can now enjoy marital bliss!

 *shakes jazz hands*

Ooh, I'm just so giggly about the outcome! Love ya!

Remember,BFF!

212 Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 04, 2010 06:15 PM (w41GQ)

It appears it didn't matter whether you voted for it, against it or left it blank.

213 sickinmass

Why equate a real person with an established record of success with a figment of the internet imagination?

214 Posted by: Obmudsman at August 04, 2010 06:20 PM (y4B2y)

and think of all the children and adults they can convert.

215 What's the president going to say? :

"I'm gay and I got married, what's the big deal?"
Posted by: Dr Spank

VERY LIKELY

216

@155: "and the last thing I'd see as I floated above my casket would be Frau taking a dump on my withered corpse."

A posthumous Cleveland Steamer? Kinky.....

Would you like us to file an amicus brief on your behalf?  We support your right to engage in such activities, you know.

217 We're no longer "sloughing towards Gomorra", we're SPRINTING there now.

218

The continued demoralization and accelerating decline of our society continues.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 04, 2010 06:17 PM (5Xf3c)

 

Morgenholz is right. In not so many words, Libs are raping and enslaving us and we really don't even feel it.

Honestly, I don't half mind becoming an ex-pat come retirement. If this toilet swirl continues unabated, you better be fucking sure I'm on a boat to somewhere.

219 I guess my rights, memorialized in the First Amendment, just missed its reach-around, huh?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz

Say what?

220

Lindsey Grahamnesty @ 198...Oh, I've got the amunition, and the means to use it.    I started stocking up long ago.    I actually have things planned out if, or when, things come to the breaking point in America.   It's just the constant vigilence that wears on you, you know?   BUT, I love this country, and our Constitution.   I'm here for the long haul, no matter what the fight might bring.   To my last breath, I'll fight the basturds, whether at the ballot box, or wherever it leads.

 

221

"What are votes worth? Nothing, apparently."

Votes are used by the Ruling Class as validation when the vote goes their way.

When the vote doesn't go their way, the Ruling Class declares that the majority of the voters are attempting to crush the human rights of a protected minority class.

222 you better be fucking sure I'm on a boat to somewhere.
Posted by: ErikW

AS IF "to somewhere" would ever be what we should fight to defend in America.

223 "This is the judicial establishment gone utterly lawless."

That was the Florida Supreme "Court" in 2000.

224 This is Ligny. A Mosque at Ground Zero will be Waterloo.

225 Anybody got a map to Galt's Canyon?

226 AS IF "to somewhere" would ever be what we should fight to defend in America.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at August 04, 2010 06:32 PM (H+LJc)

I've got 30 years of fight left in me until the boat sails. If America isn't fixed by then, I'm out.

BTW, I listen to Rush too so don't try and claim that thought as your own.

227 Anybody got a map to Galt's Canyon?

Bet it smells like peanut butter.

228 Extra-special gerbil bag for the judge tonight!

229

@221: "Honestly, I don't half mind becoming an ex-pat come retirement. If this toilet swirl continues unabated, you better be fucking sure I'm on a boat to somewhere."

But where to go?  The Left's tentacles are pretty much everywhere.

Also, that assumes that the FedGov will let you leave.  The IRS will take about half your shit if you attempt to leave now.  As things get worse here, the leeches will become much more aggressive.

230 They are determined to put  We The People between a rock and a hard place. There will be violence if the government continues down this path.

231

@227: "A Mosque at Ground Zero will be Waterloo"

Complete, final victory for Islam?  I could see that....'cause our side sure as shit isn't being led by Wellington and Blucher.

232 There will be violence if the government continues down this path

No there won't.  There are a dozen ridiculous steps between here and there, and everybody who thinks otherwise is an immature idiot.  Secession?  It's becoming more plausible, doubtless.  War?  The point of 150 million armed Americans is that it will never come to that.  Use your head.

233 Another 2012 appropriations line I would like to see:8th Circuit 270,0489th Circuit 15 (in thousands)Holder wants to reconfigure it anyways.

234 What's the president going to say? :

"I'm gay and I got married, what's the big deal?"

Funny, when anyone else mentions that gays have always been allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex (whatever her chromosonal problems, Michelle Obama has always legally been a woman), they get hate and vitriol.

235

@235: "War?  The point of 150 million armed Americans is that it will never come to that.  Use your head."

Doesn't matter how many Americans are armed.  99.9% of them will submit without a complaint.

But there will be violence - lots of little one-offs and small-scale things.  That's already happening.

236 whatever her chromosonal problems, Michelle Obama has always legally been a woman

I'm with Andrew Sullivan on this one.  I demand a uterine scan.

237 @98, 154, 176  et.al:

I'm with you. My tolerance for stupidity, rudeness, ignorance and elitism is zero. I call out idiots, I loudly "educate" the willingly stupid, I shame the rude and I point our the foibles of the elite every chance I get. I demand anyone expressing  an opinion back it up with facts and not feelings. It seems like the only thing I can do besides vote to change this country back into something I recognize.

I've had it with the political class abusing the system until it breaks, then calling it broken and outmoded and trying to replace it with whatever system they think will support their agenda. And it all starts with a rude and ignorant populace voting for goodies and forgetting their responsibilities and the true use of a federal government.

238 Why pixy why? That was formatted clean, pasted from notepad, checked in the viewer.

239 I actually am for gay marriage, but do not vote on it as I consider other things far, far more important right now. But I still take a strange amusement knowing that Obama is on the wrong side of this politically and it's really the last thing he needed right now. I get a pro-marriage ruling and Obama gets politically f**ked at the same time! I know most of you don't want to hear this but I couldn't be happier.

240 Doesn't matter how many Americans are armed.  99.9% of them will submit without a complaint.

Let's keep things on a political plain, but I think you're wrong, there.  Americans without the strong States prevalent in the 1860s won't fight, just nullify and ignore and dare you to do something about it.  And they won't.

Emperor.  Clothes.  All that shit.  Just my opinion.

241

But where to go?  The Left's tentacles are pretty much everywhere.

Posted by: The ACLU at August 04, 2010 06:39 PM (ySNz/)

I have no assets or money to speak of. I'm single with no kids. I could disappear forever sailing towards parts unknown.

It's an appealing idea, trust me.

242 But who is it Waterloo for? Maybe for us, maybe or Obama and the left/liberals. "Either night or Blucher must come." Who will be our Blucher? In any case, it will be a near-run thing.

243 The path will be state nullification of unfunded Federal Mandates, lawfare between the Feds and the States, growing popular anger over economic malaise, debt, and rising taxes (including Obamacare).  Governors and state legislatures will find it popular to blame the Feds; and they will do so.  Resulting eventually in a call for an Article 5 convention.  If the convention isn't an option to let off some of the pressure - then the violence will start. 

The violence will be sporadic; but as soon as the Federales are seen as impotent (e.g. the CBP) - it will spread quickly.  It won't be North/South - but Urban/everyone else.

244 204 This decision actually is pro inbreeding.

And we need look no further than Prince Charles to know why that's a bad idea.

245 The violence will be sporadic; but as soon as the Federales are seen as impotent (e.g. the CBP) - it will spread quickly.  It won't be North/South - but Urban/everyone else.

Jean, I think you're wrong. 

There would be no government response.  Every government "fighter" would go home to protect their family.  Nada out of them.

The Urbans can't organize.  They can't really read, man.  Three farmers having coffee at the feed store on Wednesday morning can organize better that 6 square blocks of Philly with 400 men.

I believe however that urban areas would erupt and the "guvs" would stick around to try to pacify and bring order to that.  Meanwhile, the suburbans and rurals would just hang out at home eating ramen and sharing tomatoes with their neighbors.  Meanwhile, the political process would very, very quickly remove the incompetents, and we'd back to square one.  No progress.....

246 Next case: White people are suing for the right to be labeled black on census forms!

247 There are no gays on Chulak, nor do we have fabulous shoes.

248 Obama will ignore this case and any questions related to it. Keep in mind that it has NOT gone to a federal court yet and until it does he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

It is a major political loser for him so he will avoid it.

249 The path will be state nullification of unfunded Federal Mandates, lawfare between the Feds and the States, growing popular anger over economic malaise, debt, and rising taxes (including Obamacare).  Governors and state legislatures will find it popular to blame the Feds; and they will do so.

I agree with all of the above, by the way.  Sorry I wasn't clear.

But if there is to be violence, it will occur during this, not as a result of some failure of a Con-Con to get our shit together.  In my opinion.

250

Herr, regarding your #243, my guess is that since the feds control the banking system they will upon the first act of nullification try to bring that state's government to its knees by freezing all accounts.

I don't think we are anywhere near violence now (except for maybe small one-offs), and since no once is really facing serious hardship I don't see it in the picture. People are angry about alot of stuff, but there's food on the table and roofs over the heads. So I don't even know if we've got enough people really angry to get much more than change in control of the government to a slightly right-of-center one over the next couple of election cycles.

251 Obama will ignore this case and any questions related to it. Keep in mind that it has NOT gone to a federal court yet and until it does he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

It hasn't gone to an important Federal court yet.  That was a District court, ruling that the California Constitution is at odds with the Federal Constitution, and the Federal Constitution wins becuase [reasoning muffled for unspeakable reasons].

It'll slide through the 9th Circus with a decision one way or the other, and then to SCOTUS where we have to hope Kennedy's wife remembered to buy coffee the night before oral argument.

252 (age of consent is but a stroke of a pen)


And, in fact, in 2000, the age of consent for ghey seks was lowered in the U.K. from 18 to 16.  Shave a few more years off and the gheys can get your kids.

253 The left said no-fault divorce wouldn't increase the divorce rate.  The divorce rate is now 50%.
The left said giving welfare benefits to unwed mothers wouldn't increase the illegitimacy rate.  It skyrocketed.
The left says gay marriage will have no effect on the legitimacy of opposite-sex (real) marriage.  To be continued.

254

This feels to me like Waterloo.

Er, Waterloo was a bunch of swarthy dudes blowing each other away with guns.

This gay marriage thing?  A bunch of swarthy dudes blowing each other while talking about their "guns." 

Big difference.

255 Lacey wigs GD time for some spam!

256 And, in fact, in 2000, the age of consent for ghey seks was lowered in the U.K. from 18 to 16.  Shave a few more years off and the gheys can get your kids.

Posted by: Harry S. Plinkett at August 04, 2010 07:15 PM (mAm+G)

Protecting your own children = BIGOTRY!

257 Herr @ 155:  So you're saying your wife has anger-management problems?  I hear they can do wonders for that now with the right drugs.

258 @244: "I have no assets or money to speak of. I'm single with no kids. I could disappear forever sailing towards parts unknown.

It's an appealing idea, trust me."

I'm in pretty much the same position, and yes, it's appealing.  But again - where to go?  The map is pretty well filled-in these days.  Any place with the basics of survival beyond a mere subsistence level is probably pretty well infiltrated by the Left, if not outright controlled.

259

Ace:

I agree with you that the judge should not over-rule the express will of the people.  However, our Founders never intended the United States to be a democracy (they called that "mob-ocracy"); we are supposed to be a representative republic.

The irony here is that the early 20th C. Progressives created the referendum process in California.  Democracy isn't such a good thing if the ignorant, unwashed masses don't do what their betters tell them to do.

260 It hasn't gone to an important Federal court yet.  That was a District court, ruling that the California Constitution is at odds with the Federal Constitution, and the Federal Constitution wins because [reasoning muffled for unspeakable reasons].

You're right, I misread that in the newspaper article this morning. When they said district court I thought CA district court not federal. 

It will go to the 9th next then.

261

@243: "Let's keep things on a political plain, but I think you're wrong, there.  Americans without the strong States prevalent in the 1860s won't fight, just nullify and ignore and dare you to do something about it.  And they won't."

For some things, maybe ignoring it will work - logging restrictions because of owl nests, for example.  But things are already starting to involve big issues.  The FedGov can't let Arizona ignore them on border control, and it can't let Missouri tell them to get fucked on ObamaCare taxes.  Those are effectively existential threats to the Feds.   

262 We're no longer "sloughing towards Gomorra", we're SPRINTING there now.

I think Gomorrah was that exit we just passed.  Next up, Sodom.

263

This feels to me like Waterloo.

Er, Waterloo was a bunch of swarthy dudes blowing each other away with guns.

This gay marriage thing?  A bunch of swarthy dudes blowing each other while talking about their "guns." 

Big difference.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 04, 2010 07:18 PM (Zj8fM)

Yes, it's much more like Trafalgar.  As Churchill said, the Royal Navy was all about rum, sodomy and the lash -- which nowadays is a typical Saturday night on Castro Street.

264 I don't think we are anywhere near violence now (except for maybe small one-offs), and since no once is really facing serious hardship I don't see it in the picture.

What fucking unicorn-range part of the country are you in where no one is facing serious hardship?!  Let me know, 'cause I'd like to move there.

265

I'm in pretty much the same position, and yes, it's appealing.  But again - where to go?  The map is pretty well filled-in these days.  Any place with the basics of survival beyond a mere subsistence level is probably pretty well infiltrated by the Left, if not outright controlled.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 04, 2010 07:25 PM (ySNz/)

Not sure. I guess rainwater and fish wouldn't do for long but I'm sure there are plenty of native tribes along the coast of South America that would be willing to barter. I'm a fairly handy person, I can provide tools.

266 I think Gomorrah was that exit we just passed.  Next up, Sodom.

Posted by: toby928 at August 04, 2010 07:34 PM (8/oOq)

Well, Gomorrah didn't work, but Sodom might.

267

First, full disclosure: I am a conservative/libertarian. I do not, nor have I ever, danced to the  the "social" conservative tune.

Now - It is NOT a function of government to set social "order", beyond the bounds of protecting the citizenry from harm.

Government's involvement in the issue of the morality of marriage was dead and gone long ago, when government said "why yes, Tommy and Suzie, in spite of what is morally right according to religion, you may certainly go ahead and petition for a no-fault divorce whenever you'd like". At that moment, the holier-than-thou types (no matter their political affiliation) began allowing government to dictate "legal morality" in place of REAL morality, and thus allowed government to be placed higher than their own beliefs.

The word and state of  "marriage" is the issue here. Think about this...Is a couple considered "married" when a governmental office says they are, or when they are joined together in a ceremony at the church or worship house of their choice? See what I mean?

In the end, what has "straight" marriage done for society, family and morality as a whole? Hmm...Well judging by the 50 to 60% average divorce rate, I'd say it's working well, wouldn't you?

268

#267

By "serious hardship" I mean waiting for hours in a food line wondering if there will be anything on the shelves when you get there. I mean wondering where your next meal is going to come from. I don't deny things are bad and that people are hurting, but they are hurting by American standards, not third world revolution-around-the-corner standards.

269 I still say we call in the Moron Clans and go conqer Mexico. Shouldn't take long.

270 I'm a fairly handy person, I can provide tools.

Posted by: ErikW at August 04, 2010 07:36 PM (vZVtG)

Hand made tools, bitches.

The point of this exercise is that if the shit hits the fan, I'm more comfortable taking my chances with natives in S.A. than I am with a government that seeks to enslave me.

And yes, I would do fine as an ex-pat.

271 I haven't seen you guys this depressed since election day. Or was it health care? Either way, this is not the worst thing that could happen. We have much bigger problems than gays getting married. We have 27 months to save the republic and gay marriage has nothing to do with it. Obamacare will destroy this country far quicker than gay marriage. Obama's war on private property will destroy this country far quicker than gay marriage. The deficit will destroy this country far quicker than gay marriage. Islam rising will destroy this country far quicker than gay marriage. China's ability to destroy our currency will destroy this country far quicker than gay marriage. This is a district court decision that most of you don't like. There are far worse things out there.

272

obama might not be happy about this ruling - if he says nothing, he  can't bitch if the scotus overturns hcr, if he comes out against the ruling he looks like a bigger fool than he already does on the arizona law, and has to support prop c. either way he's fucked. oh and considering the fact that it was the black community in 08 that voted for this in cali, i wonder how this bodes with them now knowing that  everything the naacp is true - their votes really don't count for shit when it comes to whitey?

273 Um... we're not a democracy. At least, we weren't intended to be.

"A Republic, ma'am - if you can keep it."

274 Present!

275

Posted by: Tommy V at August 04, 2010 07:42 PM

 

+1 - Spot on, Tommy!

276

Obama won't say a damn thing about this -- the judge acted just the way he likes them to (running roughshod over the voters), the moonbat segment of his base is cooing over this

...but...this will not go down well with Blacks or Hispanics (and the Muslims, but we won't go there) -- and while he still has support from those two groups, it is starting to decline; he can't afford to come out in support of this judge, at the same time the lefties will be expecting him too.

His base is a fair bit split on the social issues -- they are becoming split on economic issues (well off, college lefties talk a good game, but eventually they aren't going to like giving up the Lexus or the Swedish nanny because of higher taxes, now are they? heavens forbid it gets so bad that they have to forego the getaways to the health spas and shopping at Whole Foods -- and it's starting to go that way).

277 There are far worse things out there.

There is nothing worse than our lawyer-overlords lording their power over us.  We need civilian control over the legal profession.

I keep hearing about how lawyers must hold to codes of ethics and that judges must show a likelihood of success before granting a stay and blah, blah, blah.

There are no damned guardrails for these people.

The corrupt protection racket wins again.

278 Can I now demand that my polyamorous marriage to triplets be recognized by the state?

279 What happens to laws against bigamy?

280 This is Toonce's Catch-22.....appeal to blacks or gays.....  he can't have it both ways.

They can't quit him.

281 This is a district court decision that most of you don't like.
There are far worse things out there.

This is an assault on the fundamental right of the American people to determine their own destiny via the ballot, you fucking idiot.

No, there ISN'T much worse out there.

282 I hope this is the right thread for this:

If the upshot of this ruling is that - due to the Full Faith & Credit Clause - other states have to recognize gay marriages in (from?) other states, then why isn't my Ohio CCW required to be recognized in, say, Illinois?

283 Gee, Tommy, I'd say the depression is from all that AND a gay bag of chips full of voter nullification.

284

I think there will be blood in the streets at some point.  Don't forget, the Religion of Peace^TM hasn't forgotten about the Great Satan.  Didn't one of the morons or moronettes say that there were reports of Middle-Eastern folks speaking fluent Spanish infiltrating the souther border.

An attack with mass-casualties will get the rest of the population "wee-weed up" over the lack of protection from the federal government.  At that point, all bets are off.

285 @285

If the upshot of this ruling is that - due to the Full Faith & Credit Clause - other states have to recognize gay marriages in (from?) other states, then why isn't my Ohio CCW required to be recognized in, say, Illinois?


Have you considered concealing your weapon in your butt?  Under this decision that might be OK.

286

The next fight won't be about the churches.  The homos know not to go there....yet.  They will demand lessons and textbooks in the public schools as far down as kindergarten and even pre-school showing same-sex marriages as A-OK.  Sex education classes will have to include buttfucking and fisting.  Summer reading lists will have to include "queer lit."  You think this is farfetched?  With Kevin Jennings already in place as our national "safe schools czar?"

Parents will not be able to opt their kids out of this immoral and perverted tripe.  There will be an even bigger mass exodus from public schools and endless fighting and controversy at every school board meeting and during every state education bill debate.  Regular Joe and Jane Schmos who just want to keep the sex talk at home and not expose their young children to perversion will be called bigots and Nazis.

And this comes right as there seems to be a growing consensus behind Arne Duncan's federal takeover of K-12 curriculum and standards.  It won't be long before a Federally-approved homosexual curriculum is forced on the states whetheer they want it or not.  If they refuse they will be denied federal funding for needy students and special needs kids.  Liberals will howl that all of us winguts are sacrificing the poor and retarded kids to maintain our bigotry against teh gheys.

Thanks a fucking lot, Ted Olson, you with no kids to worry about.  May you burn in Hell while your martyred wife enjoys Eternity with the Lord.

287 Have you considered concealing your weapon in your butt? Under this decision that might be OK. You can store your "gun" in me anytime.

288 HereÂ’s what IÂ’m getting at:
When people allow government to tell them who they can and canÂ’t marry, they allow government to take over yet another portion of their lives.

IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPENING HERE? Because if we do, then we are, by default, ok with what government may do next, when it changes hands every so often. Savvy?

If we’re going to allow government to say “yes, this is moral, and government will uphold it”, then we have to make room for day when those who don’t agree with the morals we agree with, are in power.

The morality of marriage, and who gets to marry whom, should be left up to churches. Not government.

289 The morality of marriage, and who gets to marry whom, should be left up to churches. Not government. So if you don't belong to a church, you can't marry. Apparently. And if your church says you can marry four wives, we're down with that. Yes. And if my church says a 12 year old is not a minor and may consent to marry that's cool too. Should be law. It's not like we're arbitrary, or anything. Well, nothing like disregarding centuries of established common law intertwining marriage with property, inheritance and liability so West Hollywood can party like it's Nineteen Ninety Gaga.

290 Posted by: Lisa VanEllen at August 04, 2010 08:06 PM (+RMmj)

As good as that sounded in your head, Lisa, it was nonsense on stilts.  All laws enforce morality.  All.

We are just arguing about where the arbitrary lines are drawn, and who draws them.

291

@ Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2010 08:11 PM

Do you want freedom of religion, or not?
Government budding in on issues of morality that are best left up to faith, is government taking more conrol over our lives.

If a person doesn't belong to a church, or wants a civil ceremony, they can get one, via justices of the peace or ships captains.

As for 4 wives or 12 yr olds...Why is that anyone's business if someone has multiple spouses, as long as no harm is being done?? I understand your morals may not agree with it, but others have differing ideas. And the 12yr old stuff - back in the pioneer days, kids were allowed to consent at nearly this same age. Was it right? Legally, according to today's standards, no. But back then, folks didn't live as long, and married earlier.

292

There are far worse things out there.

 

Yeah, like the Irish!

293

Why is that anyone's business if someone has multiple spouses, as long as no harm is being done??

 

So I can marry Miley Cyrus and Selena Gomez now!  Awesome!

294

The morality of marriage, and who gets to marry whom, should be left up to churches. Not government.

Posted by: Lisa VanEllen at August 04, 2010 08:06 PM (+RMmj)

That should be a valid argument but it's not anymore.

The leftist National Council of Churches has made sure of that.

295 I've got news for some of you: The generation behind us does not care about homosexuality. They like gays. They know lots of gay people. Their friends are gay. Family members are openly gay. Gay marriage is coming, sooner or later. That battle is over and there is nothing anyone can do about it. You might want to start worrying about things you can actually stop. Like Obama.

296 Government budding in on issues of morality that are best left up to faith, is government taking more conrol over our lives.

I think Lisa is Seattle Slough.  I've already had this argument with his provincial schoolmaster's world view.

A religiously formed policy preference is not a second class opinion in our system.

297 dont get it. Polygamy (and polyandry) are inherently unequal,

This is utter nonsense. You, and this idiot judge, are taking marriage to mean a union between two adults.

But who are you, do deny 3 adults "love" and happiness?

You don't get it.

298 There are far worse things out there.

You sound just like Obama describing the current state of the US economy.
Not terribly convincing.

299 Jay, if you honestly think this is the worst thing that can happen then I doubt we have enough shared values that I could convince you of anything you didn't already believe. I don't need anymore proof than these threads that this is far more an emotional issue than an intellectual one. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!! Suddenly majority rule is the end all be all. Our founders were not that big on majority rule. Hence that darn constitution they wrote. A bunch of you were just crying the other day about congressmen not caring about the constitution and now suddenly the constitution isn't as important as majority rule! "But they voted!!!" I'll take the constitution and individual rights over the majority rule EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF EVERY FUCKING DAY. Frankly, I don't trust the majority and listening to the majority on this site I am even more convinced that mob rule probably isn't the way to go. Some of you guys call yourselves conservatives but what you really are just guys with opinions. If you like what the court has to say, great! Down with the majority! If you like what the majority has to say, great! Down with the courts! Some of you don't so much care about how much power government has, but rather who is wielding it. You don't want to shrink government, you want people you agree with back in charge. If you guys want to cry about gays being married, fine. Do it. Cry. Cry all you want. But I've been on this site for about 2 years now and this is absolutely the low point. It will be hard to take you guys as seriously as I once did.

300 It will be hard to take you guys as seriously as I once did.

Now I'm crying.

301 What is the state's business in sanctioning a marital relationship?  If its the protection of children, then only those capable of bearing them should be married, but no one is proposing that.

The legal need is to have one's spouse recognized as a family member (and a ranked family member) for inheritance, partner for child rearing, insurance and the like. Granted (and no one has brought this up) gays can have multiple contracts drawn up to do the same thing, but "marriage" does it on one stroke.

There already are legal venues to create and uncreate certain familial ties... adoption and divorce. I proposed civil unions earlier in this thread (#182) and after reading many of the responses since then, it is very clear that the problem is religion.... and many want the law reinforcing their religion's view of what a marriage is. The problem with that is that there are other views of marriage promoted by religions other than Christianity and Judaism. Under the First Amendment, we would need to abide by those as well. And it still brings us back to gay marriage as there are religions and even Christian churches that recognize it. Others have mentioned the risk of gays suing churches and Muslims forcing recognition of polygamy.

Someone challenged my indeed unsupported notion that polygamy is inherently unequal. While it might be theoretically possible to be equals in such a marriage, a basic study of how it is practiced will show that it is almost never the case. Laws that seem constitutional on their face can be ruled unconstitutional if it results in the loss of rights. That's the secular argument I was talking about. As for a judge determining that a child or animal has legal status to marry, that can happen with or without gay marriage.... but it calls into question a whole other line of judicial history... not just marriage. Child marriage used to be common, but has been almost erased. Gays had nothing to do with that.

Separate religious and legal marriage and it will be best in the long run. What many of you consider to be oppression is really the loss of a privileged place. No one is forcing you to do anything. As for your children, gay culture is already public and your kids know a whole lot more about it then you did at your age. Other "sins" exist in the world too... doesnt mean your kids will emulate them, esp. not if you teach them well.

302 But I've been on this site for about 2 years now and this is absolutely the low point. It will be hard to take you guys as seriously as I once did.

Strange. Before today, you've made no impression whatsoever.

Oh, well. I guess life will go on, even knowing that Tommy V, Ace of Spades commenter whom I've never heard of, will not take me as seriously as he once did.

303 Gay marriage is coming, sooner or later. That battle is over and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 04, 2010 08:27 PM (qU57d)

Thanks for expressing your "concern."  But the massive voting majorities for my point of view make it hard to feel overly defeated at this point.  And as for the "next generation" of gay lovers, you are seriously prone to extrapolating the view of your personal circle onto the rest of society.  And even if that's true - then when/if those pukes have the vote, then they can do as they wish and amend what they wish.  For now, an out of control court system is the problem and it must be fought to the bitter end.  Otherwise, elections are pointless. 

304

Suddenly majority rule is the end all be all. Our founders were not that big on majority rule. Hence that darn constitution they wrote. A bunch of you were just crying the other day about congressmen not caring about the constitution and now suddenly the constitution isn't as important as majority rule! "But they voted!

Um, so you're saying this right to gay marriage was in the constitution all along. And nobody realized it until just recently?

305 "ICE officers released man charged in nun's death"

306 But I've been on this site for about 2 years now and this is absolutely the low point. It will be hard to take you guys as seriously as I once did.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 04, 2010 08:40 PM (qU57d)

Wow, maybe ace should shut the blog down. How unamerican for us to question a judges ruling over the will of the people regarding an issue that has been consistantly held up in other courts and passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by a sitting President.

Tommy V, whoeverinthehell you are. I couldn't care less wheter gays marry or not. I do care when one activist judge decides that not only the people of California don't matter but that the Congress and the President don't either.

 

307

"Montano did not serve any prison time for his first drunken driving conviction in 2007 and only served a fraction of the sentence from his second conviction in 2008.

Under state laws, "potentially, he could have been taken off the street for a year, but as a practical matter that doesn't ever happen," said Paul Ebert, the Prince William County Commonwealth's Attorney. "This guy got treated pretty leniently, but this is a typical disposition."

308

@280: "There is nothing worse than our lawyer-overlords lording their power over us." 

You do realize that a number of lawyers were doing their damndest to prevent this, right? I'm sure you submitted your own amicus brief in support of Prop. 8, or at least donated a substantial sum of money to the people trying to uphold it, right?

"We need civilian control over the legal profession."

With the exception of the JAG Corps, the legal profession *is* civilian.  In most states, judges are elected, if not, they are appointed by the civilian goverment.  Federal judges are appointed by the civilian government. 100% civilian control.

"I keep hearing about how lawyers must hold to codes of ethics and that judges must show a likelihood of success before granting a stay and blah, blah, blah."

No, parties must show a likelihood of success, not judges.  For a guy who likes to run his mouth about the law, lawyers, and the legal system, you don't really know much about it, do you?

"There are no damned guardrails for these people."

Gee, you mean a petty tyrant can do whatever he wants without consequence? Get the fuck out!  But seriously, just stay calm and vote Republican. Give it two election cycles and everything will be fixed. 

309

@285: "If the upshot of this ruling is that - due to the Full Faith & Credit Clause - other states have to recognize gay marriages in (from?) other states, then why isn't my Ohio CCW required to be recognized in, say, Illinois?"

We are in favor of gay marriage, so full faith and credit.  We are against gun ownership, so blow us.

310

285 Ahhh, you noticed that too?

Well, maybe we should just get rid of state jurisdiction over things -- have everything run from the federal level -- huh?

The idiot gays who were all for this have been patsied into playing the useful idiot on this -- this has nothing to do with giving them free and equal standing or treatment (in fact, it works quite well to drum up ill feeling towards them -- think on that a bit anyone who is happy with this ruling...be careful what you wish for, the government isn't your friend any more than it's mine).

311

@306: "For now, an out of control court system is the problem and it must be fought to the bitter end." 

Except that no one will actually *fight* it.  Argue a bit, sure.  Write a letter to the editor? Probably.  Vote for an elite who promises to rein in other, fellow elites? Possibly.  Anything beyond that? Not a chance.

"Otherwise, elections are pointless."

What "otherwise"? They are pointless.  Things get worse with each election. 

312 @310: " Montano did not serve any prison time for his first drunken driving conviction in 2007 and only served a fraction of the sentence from his second conviction in 2008.

Under state laws, "potentially, he could have been taken off the street for a year, but as a practical matter that doesn't ever happen," said Paul Ebert, the Prince William County Commonwealth's Attorney. "This guy got treated pretty leniently, but this is a typical disposition.""

Like OMG, he got treated as brutally as me! What more do you people want?

313

What "otherwise"? They are pointless.  Things get worse with each election. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 04, 2010 09:16 PM (ySNz/)

Belize is the nearest country to the U.S. without an extradition treaty.

Just sayin.'

314 @316: "Belize is the nearest country to the U.S. without an extradition treaty.

Just sayin.'"

Yeah, I've considered Belize.  Security is ultimately the big worry - they're small, and very close to much larger, unstable countries.

Belize, Costa Rica, and Chile all seem like decent options.

Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, all seem a mixed bag, but possible.

315 119 If I am forced, by law, to recognize "married" homosexuals, then they should be forced to provide me a life time supply of fabulous shoes. Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 04, 2010 05:56 PM (5Xf3c) LIGHT LOAFERS ONLY NEED APPLY

316 Give it two election cycles and everything will be fixed. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 04, 2010 09:08 PM (ySNz/)

If only you were a chick, I'd give you an invite to the bunker when the SHTF.

317 137 This is good news. If California attracts all the leftist Hollywood actors, the sexual deviants and the illegal aliens then it keeps them away from the rest of the country. California: Flypaper Of The USA WON'T IT TIP OVAH? It would ruin the coastal fishing n shi*t.

318 "In the end, what has "straight" marriage done for society, family and morality as a whole?"

Marriage is an expression of high-investment parenting that has been crucial to the stability and advancement of Western societies.  To just dismiss it because you're too dumb to think of any reason why it matters is just plain reckless arrogance. 

"Hmm...Well judging by the 50 to 60% average divorce rate, I'd say it's working well, wouldn't you?"

You undermine your own argument here.  The intentional degradation of the institution by the left has led to a whole host of social problems.  Right now we are still riding (relatively) high on the social capital built up by dozens of generations of tradition, and this slow-motion nosedive we're in is the result of people basking in their own narcissism with cavalier attitudes like yours.

319

Blech.

Attorneys suck a cock.

Speak in fucking English, assholes.

Oh that's right! We must protect ourselves by speaking legalese so normal people can't understand the law.

Un-American cocksuckers.

 

320

Last time I checked, we were a Rupublic. But hey, you can expect this from a Democracy.

321  Say, does anyone remember how opponents of a (federal) anti-SSM constitutional amendment made the argument that we should remain faithful to federalism, and allow each state to make its own decision?

322 Jay, if you honestly think this is the worst thing that can happen then I doubt we have enough shared values that I could convince you of anything you didn't already believe.

Uh, I never said that. The point is, "it could be worse" is not a rational or coherent response to this.

323

@ Posted by: toby928 at August 04, 2010 08:29 PM (8/oOq)

Don't know who the hell you're talking about, but that's my real name, and I was born and raised in Iowa. Still live here, in fact.

I run my own discussion forum, and don't really comment too much on the blogs I read on a daily basis, Ace's being one of them. I've remarked on here before though, with the username "Talismen".

Beyond that - you need to get a hobby.

324 the  passage  read  so  nice!