1 I'm ready for Stupak and his handful of heroes to kill this thing in the House.

2 "Choices"? I love choices. Especially if it's a big fat bloody abortion.

3 Wanna bet the R's will do something exceedingly stupid on this?  I'm all in.

4

The Blue Dogs terrified of reelection LAST year will not vote in the House this year and explain that to their consituents.

 

So with them out, Cao out, Murtha dead and whats-his-face retired in Florida,

Pelosi is at 217 votes.

 

1 shy.

 

Try it, and make the loss of the House a certainty.

 

Republicans need to grow some balls at the "health care discussion" this week, shouting about jobs first, HC next. Make the argument entirely about a focus on jobs ONLY before we get back to healthcare.

 

They still steam ahead, they will lose probably 9 seats in the Senate and 50-60 in the House.

5 "Mr. Let Me Eat My Waffles."

Waffle House time!!

6 the summit is on thursday

7
*Cough*

Yo, proggies.  It's the lies, false blame and spending, stupid.

"When the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007, the debt held by the public was 36.2% of GDP. It rose to 40.2% the next year. This year it will be about 63.6%, next year 68.6%, then 77% of GDP in 2020. And the Obama administration's budget estimates 218% in 2050."

8 i'll say it one more time: make medical innovation, which is an ongoing effort throughout the "health care system", in universities, hospitals & businesses, the top priority, and everything else (cost, access, etc.) takes on a new perspective. medical breakthroughs are the true "progressive" mantra. & are the great fruit of the entire endeavor.

9

 "Choices"?
I love choices.
Especially if it's a big fat bloody abortion.

Since no one has read the bill, bills, or "compromise"  Kathleen Sebellius has probably worked her post-natal abortion law in there. What a charming woman?

Keith Olberman is a girl.

10 Obama the stupid fuck, keeps doubling down his bets on this piece of shit healthcare.  At what point do the Democrats realize he is leading them into political catastrophe? 

11 Like last year, one FB entry can negate the entire MSM spin on HealthCare and the HealthCare Debate. President Easy Bake still thinks it's November 2008. Maybe he always will.

12 Barry must be desperate if he's finally putting something ON PAPER.

13 Cue honest cloud.

14 Obama's bill is not released yet?  But wait, Newsweek says a poll shows that people support it when they learn the details. Must be some sort of space/time issue.

15 I'm sure that once I've explained it in detail all the ignorant plebs fine people of our great nation can finally see past the propaganda that's been rampant.

16 oops, new post. sorry. but it's a point well made & one that no one, left or right, is making. the medical advances of the past 20 years & coming up are among the greatest achievements of mankind (no hyperbole) & are supported by the infrastructure costs throughout the mish-mash of private & public "health care" systems we have developed. nearly all medical innovations over the past 50 years have come from the u.s., and it is our obligation to ensure it continues. and i think it was pretty darn nice of me to take out time from my day to mention it.

17 The age-old question: can the Democrats write a bill so bad not even they can vote for it?

18 The pathological Narcissist in Chief will not let this go.  In his mind, he can't reconcile why people don't want anything to do with his healthcare reform which was the number one goal of his administration.  If this piece of shit healthcare reform ever finally dies, never to be brought up again during his presidential term, I think Barry will finally suffer the big meltdown that some predict will happen. 

19 I think Barry will finally suffer the big meltdown that some predict will happen. 

Posted by: conscious and pissed off at February 21, 2010 11:49 AM (Vu6sl)

I think the preliminary stages have already begun.

20

OHbamas ego requires its passage.

.

The Kommiecrats strategy is that the next congress will also be evicted thereby regaining it in 2012.

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The GOP will comply...

21 20, That breakdown will boost sales of popcorn-flavored pudding and pudding-flavored popcorn.

22

If it ties, it dies thanks to the election, and the House.

Just do the math.

it got, what? 220 votes last year?

Cao is out, Murtha's dead, Abercrombies out.

 

thats 217.

ONE Blue Dog needs to flip the script.

They were "safe" last year but still voted NO to stay in good standing with their constituents.

Does anyone really think these Blue Dogs that voted No last time are going to switch out of fear and ASSURE themselves political destruction in November?

Many of them are new and don't even qualify just yet for the Congressional goodies, they have to stay in at least for another term.

I refuse to believe it. 8 months is a lifetime in political cycles, but short-term attention spans of Americans go OUT the window in deep recessions. They're screwed.

23 Keith Olberman? Never heard of her...

24 If Barry is releasing 'his' bill today or monday does he even have any intention of having the summit? It feels like the summit may have just been a diversion. I won't trust nationalizing of health care to be dead until the R's have a majority and pass some things like letting people buy insurance across state lines even tax status for corporate vs individual purchased plans etc that address some of the issues.

25

Oh, and I am with dangy, who is with Anne Coulter

Keith Olbermann is a girl.

Posted by: Mallamutt at February 21, 2010 11:54 AM (V9SYy)

I love how she lobbed that out there at the very end of her speech.

26

Posted by: conscious and wants to marry Anne Coulter at February 21, 2010 11:56 AM (Vu6sl)

yeah, she's hot, but I would hate to have her caustic wit turned on me

27 Obama has taken up the warmer's banner. This week in Nevada he blamed the wind, rain and fire on global warming climate change.  He went on to say the reason people in the US bought Cars from Japan was because they wanted cleaner cars. He omitted the fact that the loss of automobile sales in the US started a long time ago and most of it was due to quality, reliability, cost and improved mileage. He also implied that we the US must not let the opportunity for solar and wind power slip out of our hands. I guess he missed the line on his teleprompter that would have alerted him to the fact that most of the large wind turbines being installed in the US and the world are designed and built oversees. Like his stubborn, arrogant stand on health care, he doesn't get it. He is a slow learner.

28 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

29 After all is said and done, Health care and Public Option will carry the same stink that Gun Control has now. If you support it, you can look forward to getting voted out. That is what the Tea Party has to and looks like it is doing, voicing such a loud opposition that no politician will even think of touching this issue for years.

If we want to stop it, we need to make HC toxic issue like the NRA did with gun control.

30 Maybe health care rationing won't be so bad. Heck, moot even. We'll all be too broke to afford heart attack inducing foods like cheeseburgers anyway. Oh, crap. Did I say rationing? I meant efficiency, of course.

31 29 Obama has taken up the warmer's banner.

Looking out of my window, I'm thinking that if there is one issue that we can all get behind is that global warming is a good thing and we want more of it.

32 Kill the Bill.......

33 Merits or lack thereof of Obama's HCR, are you really suggesting that the status quo in American Health Care is going to be sustainable for much longer ?
What exactly do the Republicans propose to 'bend the curve downward', because I guar-an-tee that the 'system' will be running on empty in the near future. It's merely a question of math.You can say that his proposals don't  address the problems, the problems being highlighted by the recent situation in California, which  we are all familiar with, but what will address those issues ?
If the Insurance Industry is either in or is going to enter a 'death spiral' ,what is the solution ? How do people afford coverage if their employers don't provide it ? These are not JUST a cheap 'political issues'. They are REAL.
Politically it is all well and good to defeat Obama, and I am certainly fond of that idea, but What Then . Once the HCR either goes down in flames or gets rammed through and thus becomes pretty much toxic, then what happens. ?
I have seen nothing in Republican plans that would lead me to believe that they have addressed the FOUR issues raised by Obama. But I stand perfectly ready to be corrected and informed by those who have ideas on how the system can be sustained when everyone says that it cannot under the current trend-lines.

34 I wonder if Obama is using porkulous funds for hypoallergenic poultry safe lubricants...

35

I certainly don't think they can gain serious support for any bill on healthcare at this point.  The American people, having seen what is in the house and senate bill, don't trust the congress or the administration on this.

 

36

Healthcare?

Don't look at me, foreign policy and jobs are my projects and may I say both are going swimmingly, (just a posthumous shout-out to my dead buddy Ted), and will be part of this administration's greatest accomplishments. Like I always say, that's two golds and a silver, (just a hint-more precious metals in your portfolios), with only two minutes left in this epoch.

Gotta go now and get those Sunnis and Sharias to kiss and make up. Man do those people love goats. What's up with that. We need DADT in the Iraqi forces stat. Oh well, back to the tables, err I mean the whetstone.

True story, 'cause money walks and bullshit stinks.

37 Dougf, Get rid of Medicaid and Medicare Get rid of employer-provided coverage Get rid of government mandates and prohibitions Let free adults make up their own minds of what to do You do not insurance to pay your routine medical bills. You do need insurance to keep catastrophically costly care from putting you in the poor house. The governments created this problem. They only way they can solve it is to pack up and leave the arena.

38 SA: 22
SD: 41
TA: 45
TD: 54

Approval index -19 but the abyss index is only +4.

My theory is that Obama is solidifying his base because he doesn't know what else to do.  His goal here is to have the bill fail and blame the Republicans.  He has no intention of having it pass.

He's writing his third autobiography and he's writing it as a tragedy.

39 My fellow Americans, Healthcare Reform is the most important legislation in the history of mankind. If we pass HC, global warming will come to an end, the Taliban will surrender, Iran will cease the pursuit of nuclear weapons, Israel and the palestineans will make babies together, India and Pakistan will be best friends, Willy J will no longer cheat on Hillary, Hollywood will start making pro-American movies.  America the list goes on and on.  I can't emphasize the importance of passing this bill.  The survival of the human race depends on it.  Make a decision today to be on the right side of history.

40

He's writing having Bill Ayers write his third autobiography and he's writing it as a tragedy.

 

fify

41 I think that OCD can be added to Bama's list of obvious psychological pathologies/ neuroses.

42 I had a thought.

If tea partiers are "teabaggers" does that make global warmists "snowballers"?

Just a thought.

43

If Barry, our light skinned president, would just explain it again without the negro dialect.. everyone would want it.  And those democrats who wont vote for it.. they are fucking retards.

44

This bill will bring more light-skinned blacks with no Negro dialects out of the shadows, and up to the blackjack tables.

45 There will be a huge "Party of No" push and a few new Dem/MSM catch phrases. They will splat into useless puddles of goo.

46 We're waiting for you to step up, and lay down.

47 Title of his upcoming autobiogtraphy:  "Flubber"

48 Congressional Democrats have exploded the deficit BY A FACTOR OF TEN in only three years.

In 2007 - the last federal deficit one can reasonably lay at the feet of the Republicans (so-called) - was something like $160B. In January of 2007, the trends for spending and revenue had the U.S. on track for a balanced budget by some time in late 2008.

This year the deficit is $1.6T.

Someone explain to me again why we should trust these people to do anything?

49 Rasmussen is racist.

50

#54

Rasmussen, PPP, CNN, Pew, Democracy Corps are all in a racist conspiracy of racists throwing numbers of hate at a victim of racism.

 

 

51

35 

If the Insurance Industry is either in or is going to enter a 'death spiral' ,what is the solution ? How do people afford coverage if their employers don't provide it ? These are not JUST a cheap 'political issues'. They are REAL.

Well, people paid their doctors out of their own pockets long before health insurance was around. Think of the monstrous price of that insurance middle man.

Meanwhile... I have a pre-existing condition and buy my one super expensive choice in insurance out of my own pocket. Save me!

52

It's hard to see how Obama and the democrats expect the Health Care Summit to work for them politically. They want to present their plan and pretend they're open to suggestions while preparing to ram it down our throats anyway. And they expect Obama's charisma to dominate the room.

But Obama and his Chicago advisors have nearly zero experience with a two-party system. They don't seem to understand that the other guys have a strategy, too.

Republicans will get a chance to publicize their own health care proposals, which have been embargoed by the mainstream media. They can play to the bleachers all they want, because Americans have already decided they don't want the democrats' version. It's an issue that is causing unprecedented damage to the Democrat Party, and further publicity will only cement public attitudes. 

The GOP may end up wasting an opportunity, but it's hard to imagine a scenario that suddenly makes Obama Care and the democrats popular. 

53 Oooooo goody. A new troll playtoy.

54 Where is honest cloud? We tales of the superb single-payer systems he/she/it has encountered throughout the world.

55 The President is not going to take no for an answer.

No more than a suicide bomber would be turned away and go home because a mall cop told him he couldn't go in.

The Precedent is on his suicide run and he will not be stopped.

56

I think there will be some small number of Republicans who will cause Obama to drench himself in flop sweat.  All they need is the truth. Ask him to explain things he is proposing that he does not know how to explain, or simply can't be explained because they are delusional - i.e., the elephant in the room: explain how a governmnent takeover of healthcare will save money and improve service. Politely point out the absolute contradiction between things he says now and things he said before. I mean hey, it's a summit - let's have some dialogue.

Besides the slide of the Democrats' popularity, there is a growing sense that the ability of the Republican party old guard to call the shots is also fading. The old R's have fossilized into the Washington establishment and are afraid of moving beyond their comfort zone. There are a few Young Turks, and there is blood in the water - seeping from both parties' leadership. These are ambitious men - how long can they be held back?

 

57

The "summit" is simply a grandstand play for Obama and his allies in the media to reinforce the narrative of the GOP as the "party of no", then the media will give Obama and the Demo-rats the cover to pass a bill via reconciliation.

Not very hard to see what they're doing.

The only question is whether the GOP PR machine can overcome the combined efforts of NBC/ABC/CBS/MSNBC/NYT/WaPo/etc to blame the GOP for the "failure of healthcare reform", when in fact the Dems overwhelmingly own the Congress & could pass anything they want if they could get their own members to vote for it.

58 Allow me to be the first to present to you morons new for 2010:

The Government Motor's 2010 Obama.

This car runs on hot air, bull-shit and broken promises.
It has three wheels that speed the vehicle through tight left turns.
It comes complete with two teleprompters programmed to help the occupants talk their way
out of any violations.
The transparent canopy reveals the plastic smiles still on the
faces  of all the happy owners.
Comes in S, M, L, XL and 2XL (pictured)
It wonÂ’t get you to work, but hey, there arenÂ’t any jobs anyway!

59 As far as I can see, the GOP ought to tell the dems that there is no interest in destroying our health care system (which is not the federal government's business, anyway) and the GOP will not be party to it, but the GOP sees the need to reform those areas that currently do fall under the federal government - such as Medicare. The GOP needs to press the Dems to just get to work finding that $500 BILLION that they claim is just sitting around in the waste and fraud of Medicare, easily scooped up and returned to the Treasury. This must be the case since the Dems' whole health care attack is funded, in large part, on this $500 BILLION existing and being readily available.

The GOP should just answer every single question about health care with the idea that Medicare must be reformed and the Dems need to go find this quick $500 BILLION and do it, now, without mucking aroud with other things that the federal governmetn has no power to muck around with.

If the GOP kept pushing this, forcing the Dems to acknowledge this outrageous claim that their health scare monstrosity is allegedly going to be funded by, the Dems will drop their health scare talk like a hot potato. There is nothing else to speak to the Dems about.

60 I still get the feeling all the Demorats are going to try their hardest to ram this through. None of them have principles, none of them are "moderates", and none, where this issue is concerned, seem to care about public opinion or getting reelected. Fuck 'em.

61 "He hopes that his own popularity will buoy this latest attempt to pass something—anything—that has "health", "choices", and "America" in the bill title." Given that Obama currently enjoys all the public approval of a drowned rat, he might wish to revisit his assumptions...

62 The democrats could sit in congress and pass bill naming post offices for the next 8 months and their chances of getting re-elected would be vastly increased. Hell, if they just came out and said "Obamacare is dead, sorry there is no hope of that, or CapandTrade passing this year." They could probably retain control of several seats in November. Personally I am hoping they continue on their present course.

63 The Dems are like Wile E. Coyote. When the ACME gadget fails to work they stand under it and keep pressing the "Drop" button.

64

Excellent post, I emailed this post to many many disgusted democrats who are now in the process of changing their registrations to Independent, they are counting down to November.

My first thought when I heard about this summit was, if the Messaih had his own plan, why the hell did he not post it online 1 year ago? (yes we all know the answer to that, but many Independents and centerist democrats who are fleeing the dem. party are now asking this, and basically dismissing this whole charade and are just disgusted)

and also, what the hell happened to that sharp pivot to Jobs???!??!  are we now pivoting back to this job-killing DeathCare bill now? I feel like I'm watching the Messaih go back and forth between those teleprompters, getting a whiplash here.

The country is essentially leaderless and rudderless.

65 the bill is just gonna be some scaled-down thinger about obesity

66 10 Obama the stupid fuck, keeps doubling down his bets on this piece of shit healthcare.  At what point do the Democrats realize he is leading them into political catastrophe?

I'm too lazy to learn how to use Tiny URL, but perhaps someone ambitious could provide a link to the Animal House scene when the marching band is led into a blind alley.  Seems like an apt visual analogy. 

67 The irony is, Obama and the Dems could easily introduce a bill dealing with just preexisting conditions and raising the age of dependent coverage to 26 or even 27, and easily get it passed AND be quite popular for it. (I'm not saying those would be good ideas as policy, but as a political manner I don't see how Obama could lose with them). But NO, instead he just HAS to try to force the instant Sovietization of the American Healthcare System down everyone's throats, whether they want it or not. He's just a compulsive control freak.

68
Wanna bet the R's will do something exceedingly stupid on this?

hahahahhahahahahahahaha!

btw, holy shit, if I asked you guys one year ago if you thought Michael Steele would still be the RNC chairman, what would you say?

69

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 21, 2010 01:30 PM (9IHmo)

100% agree, just a few changes that all sides agree on, and the marxist can have his nice signing ceremony.  But the freak actually wants this massive govt takeover.  He has to be one of the densest ignorant people I have ever seen, all people will remember is that the dems abused power in the last 2 years and now in November they want people to vote to give them even more power? (I can just see the Tea Party ads for this)

70 Obama is a Marxist. He can't see any value in half-measures. All or none. He will lose it in public and it will be captured on video.

71 So now President Wonderful is writing the bills too?  That seems to lie somewhere outside his job description, if you ask me.

72 At what point do the Democrats realize he is leading them into political catastrophe?

I think it's all part of the plan. Sacrifice the Dem majorities, the Republicans control house and Senate, then.... Obama runs on "can't have unchecked Republican power in '12."

73 What was that definition of insanity again?  The Democrats should impeach him before he takes them all down.

74 One way this makes sense for the Democrats is if they intend to vote it down.  That way more of their members can get on the right side of the issue before the next election cycle.  They tell their side they tried every trick in the book and the blue dogs tell the other side they aren't all extremists who don't understand how markets work.

The only way the thing gets passed is if the Republicans go to the summit and act like they usually do.  The less they open their mouths the better because they can't articulate a case for why our current system is better and why we need to do less, not more.     It is an easy argument to make looking at the experience of other countries etc... but these are the largely the same guys who sat around and were happy to let the government grow ever larger as long as they could keep their seats.  They have already conceded the moral high ground by agreeing that SOMETHING has to be done so now it is just a matter of how hard we get screwed.  We are going to vote for them because they suck less, not because they understand or agree with our principles.

It's a bit like a nude beauty pageant between Jack Nicholson and Kathy Bates.  You have to vote against whichever one is showing their ass the most at the time. 

My bet is that the Dems are desperate enough that they try to ram it through using every dirty trick in the book while using the media as air cover.  Their only hope is if it is done quickly enough so no one can dissect the lies it is built upon before it is too late.  The press will say that Obama was Solomon like in his wisdom and has cracked the conundrum. 

The Republicans need to make it known that if reconciliation is used then the Congress will be shut down as every single bill will be filibustered and every procedural trick in the book will be used to run out the clock until the next elections when reinforcements will arrive.

If the Republicans fail then we will need to scrap the party and start over from scratch with a new entity because they will have proven themselves too broken to be of use to us as a tool.  We deserve better than being forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.

75 Help Us, Dead Tree Media!!!

You're our Only Hope!!

76 I guess Reid, Pelosi, and Obama pretty much realize the jig will up come November, so they figure they've got nothing to lose jamming healthcare thru before the elections. They figure they damage they do will be irreversible, and inevitably addict the American people to European-style socialism for their future political benefit. I think they got that wrong - if they pass it now, it will make the backlash that much worse, and make a repeal inevitable. pLUS, they will lose whatever trust the American people still have for them for at least a generation to come. Sorry, "progressive," I'm afraid History dialed the WRONG FREAKING NUMBER.

77 The big problem here is that Osama Obama and his goons in Congress simply don't give a shit about the public's reaction to what they're doing. Or, for that matter, to their genuine needs and wishes.

This is another power-grab, meant only to give them more toys to play with. They don't have to pay for what they break...we do.

Tell the Traitor-in-Chief that his plans will destroy America and he'll smile. That's what he wants. For him, holding the presidency is the best possible revenge on a society he loathes, even though it has given him undeserved benefits beyond measure.

78 Republicans need to grow some balls at the "health care discussion" this week, shouting about jobs first, HC next. Make the argument entirely about a focus on jobs ONLY before we get back to healthcare.

Posted by: theoneandonlyfinn


Perhaps they should remind everyone that J-O-B-S were supposed to be Belshazzar's  top domestic agenda item. And that instead he's pursuing his ego stroking health care agenda.

79

Afternoon all.  Obama doesn't have to control the issue after the meeting.  He just has to provide political justification should he use the closure(?) route.  He will introduce his health care package, a carefully crafted document with give and take from both house's democrats, the most controversial segments probably removed of significantly watered down (after all, this bill is the camels nose as it were) and maybe one of two republican suggestions (some toothless tort reform for example).  The whole package will still be bad and the GOP will still vote against it as a bloc which will still give Obama and the Dems the cover (or so they think) to use closure and be able to explain this as an national health/fiscal emergency and was only done because the GOP is using this issue for political gain at the cost of peoples health (which the MSM will dutfully report).

I'm not saying this approach would work but if Obama shows that he combined the two plans, took out a few things that were particulalry onerous and incorporated a GOP idea or two then when the MSM gets behind this to show the President did his hardest to work out a deal and only used closure when no other way was possible (what with those evil GOPers still fighting against health care for poor peope) he may get away with it.  By the by, depending on his approach he may not lose too many Dem on this vote.  I think they can afford to lose 4 to a NO vote, although that kind of screws up his message a tad.

Just a thought. 

80

Yep, I think you got it about right.  The phony summit sets up as an epic fail for Obama.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/

81 You know you are looking at an ideologue when trying to represent the people is thrown out the window. Obama is going to push this through for our own "good." He knows what is "best," even if the American people don't want this supposed "good medicine." What Obama does not get is that the very people who voted him into office are going to vote him right out if he does not start listening. The more he ignores the American people the less likely it is that he will be re-elected. We are, i am convinced, looking at a one term president in the making.

What an idiot.

oh yeah...Jennifer Granholm, the moronic governor of the failed state of Michigan, is on FOX right now making wild claims about job creation due to the stimulus spending. 14% of michigan is unemployed, and Detroit is literally collapsing as all of its landmarks crumble into disrepair. She doesn't get it either. The people don't want this healthcare bill. She is convinced that it's "arrogant if we don't do anything." Well, I hope the good people of Michigan finally wake up and vote this moronic, insider politician, who has done NOTHING for the people of Michigan. Ms. Granholm, the people do not want it!

What is wrong with these Democrats? Why are they sooooooo arrogant in thier stupidity?

82

Obama & his advisors must have some sort of magical faith in "his personal poll numbers & popularity", which is why they press on with healthcare destruction in the face of strong public rejection of Obama's policies.

Does it not occur to teh One & his advisors that maybe people don't want to admit on the phone that they oppose teh One, AND his policies, but to avoid being labeled as a racist by some stranger doing a poll, that they claim to just love teh One but hate the policies??

Maybe the public hates on teh One just as much as the hated policies themselves.  November can't get here fast enough.

 

83

Call me a dreamer... but my gauzy wish is that it will come to the forefront of political discussion about the constitutional limits of the federal government. You know... how none of the politicians in Washington can constitutionally do 95% of the shit that they're doing.

My gauzy dream is that the GOP will grow some balls and pound on the fact that feds have no right to be in our healthcare business. I suppose it might be a mix of ball deficit and power hunger.

84 Well, I hope the good people of Michigan finally wake up and vote this moronic, insider politician, who has done NOTHING for the people of Michigan. Ms. Granholm, the people do not want it!

I'm pretty sure that dumbass scrunt is term-limited out after this term.  Her ignorance quotient is astoundingly high even for Commiecrats.  I think Fox has her on so that Chris Wallace can look relatively intelligent.

85

Obama/Pelosi/Reid are confident that their media allies will hammer the GOP for whatever they do at the "summit". They also know that if they ram a bill down out throats, their media allies will find "average Americans" that will praise the bill, whatever it is, to put on the tube everyday in an effort to persuade those of us too stupid (in their opinion) to get how great this is for us.

In reality, 90+% of Americans have coverage, and 85+% are happy with the coverage they have. That means there is no reason to destroy the current system and replace it with a gov't run system with the efficiency of the Post Office, the customer-relationship skills of the DMV and the fiscal controls of Social Security.   

86 The "smartest guy in the room" can't figure out the connection between his unpopular socialist agenda and his poll numbers.

87 The Health Care Power Grab is Obama's Great White Whale.  He's going to get that whale, or sink his whole party trying. 

88 Its just unbelievable here that Obama still thinks his amazing awesomeness alone is going to convince people to vote for his bill.   What hubris.

If he couldn't get his healthcare reform bill passed before the Scott Brown election with bicameral supermajorities, how does he expect to do this now?

89

as a professor(no racial overtones- because i'm a progressive) of sooper smart stuff i hope that our chairman O will just issue a directive and ram healthcare that is free for me up the ass of the cowpayers... as WE progressives wish we had the freedom of china of that lover of liberty hugo ,WE progressives hope for our finger wagging girly man will do to america what pot pot did to cambodia...

 when we progressives are not running around shooting people WE like to try and solve the problems that we created...WE CAN'T... so we pine away for obama and load our shotguns and wait for a faculty meeting...

 WE promised people too much and there is no way to pay for it... and since WE can't be at fault for anything we choose to blame a minority...it's what we progressives always do... the other day as i was waiting for my double twist and cinn a proud black man received his order before me...well i stamped my feet and called mommy and the black man took offense... well i pepper srayed him and called the police and had him arrested...

WE progressives are better than everybody else and it would make our lives better if people would just deal with it...IT CAN'T BE OUR FAULT , WE'RE PROGRESSIVE GOD DAMMIT....

 

90 Its just unbelievable here that Obama still thinks his amazing awesomeness alone is going to convince people to vote for his bill. What hubris.

Posted by: looking closely at February 21, 2010 03:14 PM (KNy97)

The Precedent doesn't care about getting health scare passed. he never cared about passing it, which is why he farmed it out to Reid and Pelosi. All the Indonesian Imbecile wants is to foment chaos and to drain our fundamental institutions of trust and integrity in the eyes of the citizenry, so that they can no longer function and our nation comes crashing down (he keeps his fingers crossed for this).

It was never about politics or the details of legislation for The Precedent (as he's too stupid to understand the issues, anyway) but just about breaking our government in his drive to exact revenge on the US and the West.

Of course, using idiotic leftist political theories as the basis of his agenda, he would be just as happy if the crap did pass and got enacted, as that would do direct harm to our nation, but he doesn't really care about passage, either way, as for his intentions, it's win-win.

Pass awful legislation that tears the Constitution to shreads. Win.

Fail to pass legislation during the greatest assault by the federal government on the citizenry, thereby harming the ability of the federal government to work, at all. Win.

Sowing chaos and destroying complex systems are just too easy. And if the dems try to turn on them, he just starts pulling the race card, trying to send this nation to the sorts of urban riots that so many are terrified of happening if the Constitutional eligibility of the Indonesian imbecile were to be rationally considered and ruled on.

And, while all this is happening, the insane spending, anti-growth policies, and arbitrary nature of federal government action serve to make us sitting ducks for the coming moentary catastrophe - the second leg of the credit crisis that we are now far too weak and poor to be able to buy time, as we did with the Fed blowing up its balance sheet and the federal government assuming tons of private liabilities and obligations to fend off the first hit for a little bit.

91

Voter:  I'm hungry.

Granholm:  Here.  Eat this shit sandwich.

V:  Whaaaa....?

G:  Well, you've got to eat something.

92 #91  Obama's camp probably believes, and with reasonable justification, that his sinking poll numbers are mostly related to unemployment, and that when the economy rebounds, so will said poll numbers.

For what its worth, Obama's simple popularity has actually been lower than it is now, though not by much.  Reading Rasmussen's numbers, it looks like the declining "approval index" is mostly a function of bleed-off from the "strongly approve" group.  

On reconciliation, that's a pipe dream.  Again, to get that route to work, the Dems would need to get the House to approve the Senate version of the healthcare bill.  Right now, after Scott Brown and with election season drawing ever-closer, they don't have the votes to do it. 

More simply, Obama or no Obama, if the Dems could pass this thing through reconciliation, they would have done so already.

93 You don't see no bruises on me 'cause I'm a karate man! And a karate man bruises on the inside! They don't show their weakness.

94 Being Devil's advocate, Obama *might* have a chance to get something passed, if what he introduces is substantially different than the current 2000+ page monstrosity that is gridlocked. 

Is that actually going to happen?   Probably not.   He'd have to abandon all the unpopular talking points he previously insisted were critical to this reform.   While Obama has certainly not been shy about saying one thing then reversing himself a short while later, in this case, he'd be reversing himself in a highly public way on a major public issue that was supposed to be his signature issue.

Obama would have to introduce something that would cause at least one or two Republicans Senate Republicans to defect preventing a filibuster.  Meanwhile both the Congress AND the public are fatigued on this issue.

I don't see it happening, and I actually see very little potential upside to the President here for trying.    If he were smart, he'd just say the Congress gave it the best shot they could, but the public isn't ready for this reform now in this bad economy, and it will be re-addressed later in his term (never to get re-addressed).




 

95 89 the scrunt is termed out.  Maybe we can salvage the state of Michigan.

96 The GOP should not agree to any televised debate unless Obama's plan is released 2 weeks ahead of time. I think he is tricking the GOP here. Expect him to steal GOP ideas, water down everything, etc. This will be bad.

97 professor von poopyants at February 21, 2010 03:23 PM (91IME_

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Oh my, does that take me back, Professor!! Just LOVED your seminars!!!

98  

I'm just afraid that Bam-Bam is going to do the same thing that he did at the Democratic Summit Meeting that was held a couple of weeks ago: show up, say a few pretty words, toss "his" bill on the table, and then turn around and leave, and let the "peasants" do all of the heavy lifting.

It's a good thing that Bambi wasn't in the US Senate any longer than he did; he doesn't understand what reconciliation REALLY entails.  This process could conceivably take MONTHS, not the 60 days that Reid claims it will take.  Most congresscritters want to be out of DC by the end of May, to start campaigning for November's elections.

There is no guarantee that what comes out of reconciliation is going to look anything like what goes in.  There is also - and this is MUCH more important - no guarantee whatsoever that BO will sign what comes out of reconciliation, no matter what he may have promised people.  His word is worth NOTHING - he will lie to suit his purposes.  The Senate bill is much closer to what he really wants, and this whole reconciliation process could just be cover. 

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he lets this all go through, signs the Senate bill intact, and then says that the reconciled bill isn't what the American people really want and/or need, and refuses to sign it.  Congress is crazy if they are willing to take the president at his word.....

99

Forgot to add a link:

http://tinyurl.com/ycvhhy6 

100 Well, I don't know what the outcome will be here.  Nor do I know really why Obama is doing what he's doing.  But any time he is unpopular and looks stupid and incompetent and the Dems are unhappy, it makes my day all sparkly.

101 2 things:

1.  Granholm appears to have sucked people's balls on the way in and now she's sucking Obama's balls on the way out, jockeying for a job.  A little sexist maybe, but true.

2.  When in the wide wide world of sports has Obama had time to

a.) read the 2700 pager?
b.) put something fabulous together to post last-minute?

50 bucks says the Smails kid doesn't post.

102

@4: "Republicans need to grow some balls"

Yeah, like that will ever happen.

103 The Health Care Power Grab is Obama's Great White Whale.  He's going to get that whale, or sink his whole party trying.

It can happen.

104 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 21, 2010 04:48 PM (Vd3Vk)

Interesting thoughts, especially how he actually doesn't know what a mess reconciliation can be. I think his delusions and ignorance still have him convinced that he's going to get something to sign, though. I wonder where his mind will be at the end of four years.

105 Bend the cost curve down? Like they bent the unemployment curve down? Do they really think the public hasn't noticed?

106 110 Bend the cost curve down? Like they bent the unemployment curve down? Do they really think the public hasn't noticed? Posted by: ManeiNeko at February 21, 2010 08:30 PM (TiE76) Think of it as trillions of dollars "spent or saved."

107 per Drudge, the NY Times will tomorrow run the story that the Kenyan in Chief will propose giving the Fed's power to control private insurance companies rate structures.

Socialists of the world unite!

108 Who the hell wrote Obama's version of healthcare? Bill Ayers?

109

“Rasmussen: Obama Sinks Stinks Again”

 

FTFY

 

BO is BO, afterall.

110

BO is BO, afterall.

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