January 05, 2010
— Ace 50-41.
Health care will be a factor:
The health care issue is expected to play a big role in the debate and Massachusetts voters hold modestly favorable attitudes about the proposed legislation. In the Bay State, 53% favor the plan working its way through Congress and 45% oppose it.However, as is the case nationally, those who feel strongly about the bill are more likely to be opposed. The overall figures include 36% who Strongly Oppose the plan while 27% Strongly Favor it.
And Brown is better-liked:
Twenty-one percent (21%) of those likely to vote in the special election have a very favorable opinion of Coakley, while 22% have a Very Unfavorable view.
For Brown, the numbers are 25% very favorable and 5% very unfavorable.
See Allah, of all people, for some optimism and unabashed boosterism of Scott. Make no mistake; Scott is still very much the underdog. But he also seems to be an underdog with an outside chance of winning.
So if you're committed to stopping health care with a 41st vote against cloture, and don't mind expressing that commitment with cash-money, donate to the guy. The NRSC is staying out of this one, so far.
Turnout Factor: Turnout will be low-ish which will help Scott -- assuming the GOP mobilizes for him and generates the usual Republican advantage in turnout.
I forget the exact numbers, but near the end of the Christie-Corzine campaign, the polls had it tied, or Christie a little ahead, or, more and more, Corzine a little ahead. Christie wound up winning fairly comfortably.
So turnout -- and money -- are critical in these things. If Brown can pull to within, say, 5 in the polls, that might actually he's ahead where it really counts -- in actual voting.
And that's not a lot of ground to make up, really. He's an appealing guy, Coakely isn't particularly beloved (and is connected to the radioactive Duvall administration), and there's a tea party fervor that Brown can tap into.
The Debates: Are still upcoming. A commenter calling himself "Huge, Quickly" points out that Mitt Romney beat his Democratic opponent largely on the strength of his debate performance.
The Obama Factor: I wonder how many Democrats -- maybe of the PUMAish persuasion -- are pretty cranked off at Obama and will cross over to vote for a Republican just to block him.
There is debate about a "Wilder effect" (whether whites claim to vote for black candidates in polling interviews at higher rates than they actually do), and here any such effect would be indirect and attenuated (i.e., voting for the Republican as a proxy for voting against Obama), but still I wonder if something like that isn't good for, say, 2%.
There are a lot of Democrats pretty upset by the health care thing. Especially seniors, I'd imagine.
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Posted by: CoolCzech at January 05, 2010 07:17 AM (QECjC)
Scott is running a great campaign. Keeping it simple and sticking to his message of how the Democrats are only making things worse, not better.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 07:20 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: oblig. at January 05, 2010 07:20 AM (FWvuv)
Posted by: Mike "What Up?" Steele at January 05, 2010 07:21 AM (E0EDC)
Coakley is not at all likable. This could be a repeat of Shannon O'
Brien vs Mitt Romney in 2002.
Romney, with a little help from a fair Tim Russert, killed O'Brien in the debates. Democrats are the default in Massachusetts until the people hear them talk and listen to their lame-brained ideas.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 07:22 AM (z37MR)
I trust ACORN et al are stepping up their illegal activities to make sure that doesn't happen.
Does the temp Senator get the lifetime healthcare plan other senators get?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 05, 2010 07:25 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: Paul Revere at January 05, 2010 07:26 AM (epgqp)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 05, 2010 07:35 AM (SqAkN)
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 07:35 AM (GKXA7)
for Brown to pull this out would set off a political earthquake of gigantic proportions. even if he loses in a squeaker it sends a pretty good message, but winning the whole damn thing would be just too good to be true. Lets hope he has a smashing debate.
Posted by: exceller at January 05, 2010 07:37 AM (jx2Td)
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Heh, entirely possible given the current state of global warming.
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 07:37 AM (GKXA7)
"for Brown to pull this out would set off a political earthquake of gigantic proportions."
If he wins they will just give Ben Nelson's deal to the 10th power to Olympia Snow and she will claim "history" gave her another 2AM booty call.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 05, 2010 07:39 AM (SqAkN)
Re: the debates
Coakley's campaign is trying to be cute by insisting the Independent, Kennedy, is present at the debates. You see, Deval Patrick, did well in the debates in 2006 because he never spoke.
The independent challenger in 2006 was a disgruntled former Republican, Mihos, who had a hard-on for Mitt Romney and Kerry Healey. Mihos hated Romney so much all he did was attack Kerry Healey, putting Healey on the defensive and never getting the chance to attack Axelrod's prototype, Deval Patrick.
So Patrick came out of the debates looking like the voice of reason simply by remaining silent most of the time! The only time Patrick spoke was to promise property-tax cuts and an increase in social benefits, (sound familiar?). The people never got a chance to hear any details on how Patrick would accomplish these great things.
But I think this will fail Coakley this time around. For one thing, the 3rd party candidate is named Kennedy. For another thing, Kennedy is a leftwing libertarian who has far more in common with Coakley than Brown. There is no way Kennedy can attack Brown from the right. And there's no way Coakley to move to the center because she'll have to out-moonbat Kennedy.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 07:41 AM (z37MR)
Jeebus...the world really is turning upside down..
I just saw a report on Fox that C-SPAN is actually calling for the Dems to have them cover the healthcare negotiations live like Barky promised
Posted by: rum, sodomy and the lash at January 05, 2010 07:42 AM (AnTyA)
I trust ACORN et al are stepping up their illegal activities to make sure that doesn't happen.
Can't wait for the video of Obama's aunt voting.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 05, 2010 07:42 AM (Be4xl)
Around these parts there is a huge difference between griping about Democrats and actually voting for a Republican. The first is easy. The second is beyond the realm of reality for many. I think most people who would want to vote for Brown will simply stay home and consider that enough.
Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 05, 2010 07:43 AM (YjQWV)
Posted by: Bob T at January 05, 2010 07:44 AM (wO9+R)
Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 05, 2010 07:45 AM (cqZXM)
Posted by: torabora at January 05, 2010 07:47 AM (LcHM4)
Posted by: kefka at January 05, 2010 07:48 AM (n1uMU)
Can we get Al Gore to campaign for the Democrat?!
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Or can we get the AGW crowd to schedule a protest in MA?
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 07:48 AM (GKXA7)
Conservatism can win ANYWHERE.
Who doesn't want less taxes, less government, less waste, more opportunities, and a better economy?
That's what Conservatism is all about. And that can win anywhere. Any. Where.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 07:48 AM (z37MR)
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Simple political maneuvering will do. They're gonna skip the conference and Nancy and Harry will hash the bills behind closed doors.
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 07:50 AM (GKXA7)
I don't hold out much hjope of an R winning in MA and even if he did he would be, at best, another squish.
Of course the people in MA want this healthscam bill. They are going bankrupt with the one Romney put in place and are looking for a way out.
Posted by: Vic at January 05, 2010 07:50 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: joeindc44 at January 05, 2010 07:54 AM (QxSug)
Vic, you should worry more about your neighbors to the north.
NC went blue for Obama, and who's to say that can't happen in SC, too.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 07:54 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 05, 2010 07:55 AM (SqAkN)
Posted by: alexthechick at January 05, 2010 07:57 AM (8WZWv)
Whoa, now, wait a minute. I'm not sure this guy is ready.
Posted by: Michael Steele at January 05, 2010 08:01 AM (9szrE)
Posted by: PJ at January 05, 2010 08:01 AM (Qpxxz)
NC went blue for Obama, and who's to say that can't happen in SC, too.
I think the Obama win in NC was a once in a lifetime fluke. NC has been trending left due to migration of people from the North the the Raliegh-Durham area though but I think it will be back to red this year.
Currently there is no chance in SC.
Posted by: Vic at January 05, 2010 08:02 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: lincolntf at January 05, 2010 08:02 AM (rwlcW)
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How up-side-down is the world, you ask? At Kos they're screaming for C-SPAN.
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 08:04 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Peaches at January 05, 2010 08:04 AM (9Wv2j)
I hope Brown is not going to be all mavericky and bipartisan!!
Not a chance. Brown is not at all like that. He's more reliable than the GOP's 2008 nominee.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 08:05 AM (z37MR)
I wonder how Romney would poll in MA today.
Romney/Palin 2012--it would be a killer ticket, from Middle America to, even MA.
PS: Via HIllbuzz, there's a very good YouTube going around called America Rising (I think it needs a bit of editing...the first half is a little slow) MAKE IT VIRAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyqvuTxaEs
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 05, 2010 08:08 AM (bN5ZU)
I think the Obama win in NC was a once in a lifetime fluke.
Yeah, that and cheating. I dunno if NC had early voting, but I know that's how Obama won Florida. In Florida they were in line every day for two weeks before election day voting for Obama. The fraud was out of control down there. Early voting must be ended. And late-voting, too.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 08:08 AM (z37MR)
I just sent him $20. Even if he doesn't make it, just jabbing the Dims in the ribs over Obamacare will be a help.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at January 05, 2010 08:09 AM (adr25)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 05, 2010 08:10 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 05, 2010 08:11 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: Peaches at January 05, 2010 08:12 AM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: lincolntf at January 05, 2010 08:15 AM (rwlcW)
Posted by: DJ Mikey Mike Steele at January 05, 2010 08:15 AM (S3xX1)
Ok, I just now donated to Brown's campaign.
Do you suppose that Brown and his campaign managers have (behind the scenes, of course) asked CERTAIN REPUBLICANS - like Michael Steele and other GOP/RNC personalities -- to kindly refrain from actively campaigning for him...so as not to scare off Massachusetts "Indies" and "Dems" voters, who may be reticent to vote for anyone too closely tied to the National GOP/RNC?
This strategy may be the right thing to do in Massachusetts? Maybe not the right thing for VA or NJ, but correct for MA.
What do you think?
Posted by: Juliet16 at January 05, 2010 08:17 AM (EPMEV)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at January 05, 2010 08:21 AM (PZLW0)
Posted by: Hongqi at January 05, 2010 08:21 AM (56lYi)
Posted by: teej at January 05, 2010 08:22 AM (QdUKm)
Posted by: Peaches at January 05, 2010 08:23 AM (9Wv2j)
Juliet, I think the reason the national party leaders are not involved in Brown's campaign is simply because the Republicans don't really care about winning.
I said this a few weeks ago, even before Michael Steele admitted it. The Republicans have shown neither desire nor the ambition to defeat the Democrats. If they pick up a dozen seats in the House in 2010 it won't be because of anything the GOP did; it will be because the Democrats are failures.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 08:23 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: Mal at January 05, 2010 08:26 AM (Z+qzA)
You guys keep saying he's a longshot, but it wouldn't be that way if the GOP put all their resources into backing Brown. They don't even care enough to make this race competitive.
We have a fundamental problem in our party -- our leadership is incompetent. We'll never win with our current leadership. I've been saying this since right after the 2006 elections. They didn't even put up a fight in 2006 and have done nothing since then.
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 08:26 AM (z37MR)
Let me put it this way: You're the owner of a NFL team and you have a coaching staff and 53 players that don't care whether if they win or lose. What do you do?
Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 05, 2010 08:28 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 05, 2010 08:31 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: Hongqi at January 05, 2010 08:34 AM (56lYi)
I don't care if he's in the debate or not. 90% of the people that will watch it have already made up their minds either way.
He is running as a Libertarian, which would normally be cause for concern that fiscally conservative independents (who might otherwise vote for Brown) will go "third party." I'm less concerned by that, as I'm hopeful that the "fed up" votes know the stakes re: the supermajority and will vote Republican, even if they don't like it.
GOTV will be huge.
Posted by: random at January 05, 2010 08:35 AM (mhbHz)
Still, if it spurs sideliners to action, GREAT.
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 05, 2010 08:37 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: MarkN at January 05, 2010 08:37 AM (ZMeaC)
can we have a tutorial on how to put links in here, PLEASE.
Once more into the brink.
Get yourself a link.
It won't work here because it's too long. Go to tinyurl.com or something similar.
Get your shortened link.
If you want, just paste it into the comment box. Hit enter to make it a link (or it may just automatically be a link).
Or...
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 05, 2010 08:40 AM (Be4xl)
With your tinyurl in hand (snicker),
Highlight the text you want to link-ify.
click on the chain link icon at the top of the comment box.
In the big box to the right of "Source", paste the tiny url. (control V to paste)
Click the insert button.
What you should have now is "http" in the little box and the tinyurl.com blah blah blah in the big box. Check to make sure you have just that one "http". Two of 'em won't work, none won't work.
Then click okay. You highlighted word should now be be a different color and underlined. You won't be able to see for sure if it worked until you post!
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 05, 2010 08:45 AM (Be4xl)
Ace, don't count any Puma's. I have lurked at some of their blogs off and on. Depite wanting Obama gone, they are all for Coakley. Why? it would seem they are into only voting for women regardless of how corrupt and in Barry's pocket. If a cnaditdate is a women, regardless of any position she has on the issues, Puma's will vote for her. period
Talk about people willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. They will jump from the frying pan into the fire with their vote
Posted by: RK44 at January 05, 2010 08:52 AM (X6qCS)
Posted by: SDN at January 05, 2010 09:14 AM (S78cq)
Posted by: Peaches at January 05, 2010 09:19 AM (9Wv2j)
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You're kidding. As Peaches says, hillbuzz is going crazy for candidate Hottie McAwesome.
Posted by: arhooley at January 05, 2010 09:24 AM (GKXA7)
Ummm...I just got finished lurking at 538, because Nate Silver, someone whose opinion I respect (even if he is a LIB-ewwwww), nearly always has good analyses of the races.
On Rasmussen, Nate Silver said:
I tend to give [Rasmussen] the benefit of the doubt here, in no small part because that's how I tend to brand FiveThirtyEight as well. I don't buy that a media organization won't, can't, or shouldn't have a "point of view"
On the poll results:
A 30-point drubbing by Coakley wouldn't surprise me; nor would a race that kept us up late on Election Night.
And frankly, if I were either party and my internal polling showed a 15-point margin, I'd still be thinking about putting some money into this race. Special elections in many ways resemble presidential primaries, and polls are off in primaries by an average of about 7 points. That would imply something like a 3-5 percent chance of a Brown victory, which feels about right. But considering how consequential that 5 percent could be -- the probable collapse of health care reform -- it's something worth hedging against if you're the Democrats, or taking a flier on if you're the G.O.P.
Since I quoted so much of 538, I guess I'll do the right thing and throw them a link, even if it hurts a little bit.
Posted by: random at January 05, 2010 09:46 AM (mhbHz)
Posted by: Boots at January 05, 2010 09:49 AM (06JTY)
PPP (left) does some back-of-the-envelope math and comes up with essentially the same numbers that Sean Trende at RCP did - a two-point race.
Posted by: random at January 05, 2010 09:50 AM (mhbHz)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 05, 2010 09:59 AM (DIYmd)
I would really like to think the NRC has opted out of supporting Brown due to some campaign strategy. Of course, I would have to believe the NRC had a strategy. Who knows? Last week I got a robo-call asking me to financially support someone running against Pelosi. So let me see, what to do. Send money for the Pelosi kamikaze who will come no where close to sinking that tub or send money to a guy that can possibly steal back the 41st seat that the Pubs ceded to Franken and stop the freight train effective immediately?
No NRC robo-call for him. Now that's strategic thinking!
Posted by: JW at January 05, 2010 10:41 AM (qwK3S)
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Posted by: Mal at January 05, 2010 11:38 AM (Z+qzA)
I guess that window has passed.
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