1

Opposition of Obamacare down 6% since April 1 or thereabouts. 

Keep flooding the zone, my man.

2 Support for border fence up to 68%, Obama admin wants to give a pass to everyone, Federal Judge in Arizona gives more rights to illegals than to a US State? Nov 2010--Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.

3 meh, only 68% support it, which in liberal world means it's still "controversial."

4 Slicing my guts open and having my head hacked off symbolized my support of the Emperor.

5 Hell, I already shot my bigoted load.  got nuttin'

6 Obama halted funding for the border fence? Never heard of it that's one for the cables I guess.

7

 It's a fence. It's real purpose...

Sigh.

8 I always enjoy how twits speak of the symbolism of a thing.

Yes a big F*ing fence. It clearly says, "If you want past, use the F*ing gate!" to the political class, the technical term would be "Port of Entry"

9 In

what

way
 
does the author's use of

prison

symbolise

the protagonist's struggle?

And how does this relate -

- to our discussion of the uses of irony?

10 We symbolized racist oppression.

11 bat chain puller, I already got that, so suck on it!

12 Seriously, Ace, I have a better grasp on the real world than these people.

13 I know when to use it's and its, but I just wrote them in a series -- it's/its -- and when I do that I just tend to repeat the last spelling i used.

14 11 And intolerance, don't forget intolerance.

15 so suck on it!

Posted by: Ace at July 29, 2010 03:43 PM (KUUXH)

THIS!

16 The fence says nothing.  An electric fence, however, says bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt, which in Spanish means, keep the fuck out.

17 meh, only 68% support it, which in liberal world means it's still "controversial."

75% can support a controversial conservative measure.

However, with only 10% support, "common sense" liberal measures enjoy "broad" support.

18 16 so suck on it!

Posted by: Ace at July 29, 2010 03:43 PM (KUUXH)

THIS!

Posted by: Al Gore

Megadittos

19 Golf, golf, racist, golf

20 Build the fence and don't spare the concrete or razor wire. Then put in 100 yards of high density pressure mines, followed by a moat with Nile crocodiles, then arrest any of them that make it across and force them to return the way they came.

21 Yeah, I kinda thought I put all this symbolism shit to rest with my groundbreaking Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity.

http://tinyurl.com/hgm5

22 See Ace this is why you will never be a journalist, we have multiple layers of factchecking which you guys in pajamas will never have.

23 Yes, but what percentage of mongrels support it?

24 Border fence is like checking for ID's when voting. Things you would naturally assume are in place, if those in power cared a whit about the integrity of our country.

25 Operation Wetback.  Look it up.  Bring it back (but this time look for a nicer sounding name).

26 "And they seem to disregard the concrete, the real, almost as a dirty thing, something of concern to the plebians, who cannot of course grasp the subtleties of high representational thinking like they can. You know, with their "symbolic" barricades and all."

"So heavenly minded that they're no earthly good" ... Oliver Wendall Holmes

27 The fence says nothing. An electric fence, however, says bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt, which in Spanish means, keep the fuck out. Posted by: huerfano at July 29, 2010 03:45 PM (NmcJ6) True, but I like the sound of the Phalanx CIWS better errrhrrhrhrhrhrhrhrh. I guess both get the job done. Hey what not do both?

28 I'm Mel Gibson, and you know what you do first

29 So? It could be 100%, and we still say you peasants don't know what's good for you.

30

bat chain puller, I already got that, so suck on it!

'Tis an honor to be personally smacked down by Ace.

31 It's a nuanced approach to life!

32 I couldn't sigh on to a high voltage  electric fence, wildlife might get killed.

33 We should put those caught crossing in prison ... and farm that job out to the guys that run the Mexican prisons for those caught jumping their southern border.

34 Look, it's all well and good for you to want us to uphold the law and everything, but you have to think of the lawsuits, and how we won't get invited to the garden parties anymore.  But mostly how we won't get invited to the garden parties anymore.

35 We propose a sonic fence.

36

 

Shep Smith is an android.

37 33 I can deep throat a zuchini and I remind my producer of a nicer less spittle flaked version of Keith Olbermann.

38

My big gut is a symbol of me being overweight.

39 i think we need to epistimologically close the border

40 Shep Smith is an android.

Well, I'm fairly sure that he dreams of electric sheep.

41 Sure, there's no provision in the Massachusetts Constitution that allows us to keep a lawfully-submitted ballot question off the ballot.  But it's just easier for us to keep you from voting on whether to allow gay marriage or not than it would be to explain why we would overturn you when you overwhelmingly support banning it.

42

I got my bigot groove back!

The biggest shame in all of this, imo -

The fact that we can now identify that a political class even exists in this country.

Is it supposed to be like that?

43 So high I can't get over it
So low I can't get under it
So wide I can't get round it

-- OH, ROCK MY SOUL
by Peter Yarrow (of Peter, Paul & Mary fame)

libtards' pantaloons rapidly filling with libturds

44 See, even you retarded racist teabaggers understand my putting your face through a plate glass window symbol.  Now, the kneepads I wear in my meetings with Lord Obama...not a symbol.

45 There's a whole gob of those 'educated' deep thinkers that would benefit greatly from a nice pop in the face and a few lumps on their heads.

46 Who gives a fuck what the poll is anymore? It's obvious the government doesn't give a rat's fuck what 70 percent of the population thinks, so how do these polls even fucking change anything?  70 percent support AZ's law,and it still gets blocked?

Fuck this country and the 30% of commie clusterfuckbags that destroyed it.

47 The left have no frontal lobes. That's why lobotomies would be kind of useless. But there is all that Donner meat.

48

The fact that we can now identify that a political class even exists in this country.

Is it supposed to be like that?

Yes.  In France.

49 True, but I like the sound of the Phalanx CIWS better....Hey what not do both?

Nothing says get off my lawn like a 6 barrel auto rotating 20mm Vulcan Cannon. _{(Wow it shoots so fast it sounds like a big diesel running)}

50 41

 

Shep Smith is an android butt pirate.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 29, 2010 03:51 PM (3fiIy)

FIFY.

51 44 i think we need to epistimologically close the border

Posted by: Ben at July 29, 2010 03:52 PM (wuv1c)

I'm convinced!

52

Person 1: Words are symbols of thoughts.

Person 2: No words actually are symbols of thoughts.

53

Is it supposed to be like that?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 29, 2010 03:53 PM (RkRxq)

Is it supposed to be like what?

54

Yeah, the old symbolism thing.  Reminds me of the economist joke, which ends:

"Well of course it works in real life, the question is, will it work in theory?"

55 This virtual fence will be much better than a brick-and-mortar fence because you can't climb over a wall that isn't really there.

56 So high I can't get over it
So low I can't get under it
So wide I can't get round it

-- OH, ROCK MY SOUL
by Peter Yarrow, pedophile and John Kerry's bud (of Peter, Paul & Mary fame)

FTFY

57

Is it supposed to be like what?

Posted by: Bob Schieffer at July 29, 2010 03:54 PM (fDRif)

Time for your nap Bob.  There's a good boy.

58 If the East Coast bordered Mexico instead of the Atlantic, we'd have the damn fence.

59 Hell, use my system and you could set up spectator bleachers, you know, kinda like some kind of Japanese game show where when you get fatally injured your out of the competition. Take bets on the chances of a particular "runner" making it across, then the return trip. Now that's entertainment.

60

My favorite economist joke:

An economist walks down the street with his buddy.  Buddy says, "Hey!  There's a twenty dollar bill lying on the sidewalk!"

Economist replies, "That's impossible.  If there were, someone would have already picked it up."

61 This is how evil happens. You can abstract any evil you choose into some esoteric "greater good."

Yup, and then these same people feel completely justified afterwords.  Commies kill upwards of 100 million people trying to shoe-horn a particular gov't model on people?  "Have to break some eggs to make an omlette" or "They meant well".

Add some projection and cognitive dissonance and ta-da, the modern liberal!

62 This virtual fence will be much better than a brick-and-mortar fence because you can't climb over a wall that isn't really there.

Yeah I'm not following that logic.

Obama could use the same argument for the imaginary fence he's using now.

63 Economist jokes suck.

64 If the East Coast bordered Mexico instead of the Atlantic, we'd have the damn fence. Posted by: Sgt. Fury at July 29, 2010 03:56 PM (gh1bX) And it would be much cheaper to get my grass cut here in NJ

65 44 i think we need to epistimologically close the border
Posted by: Ben at July 29, 2010 03:52 PM (wuv1c)

Be careful or you'll provoke 'em into comments like You care to posit a counterfactual to that?

66

You can abstract any evil you choose into some esoteric "greater good."

So you've read my new script! What do you think, too wordy?

67 Add some projection and cognitive dissonance

They don't do that anymore, they simply alter their perception of reality to suit their desired philosophy. No fuss no muss, and you're always right in your world.

68 Yeah, I kinda thought I put all this symbolism shit to rest with my groundbreaking Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity.

IIRC, the PoMoTards decided the paper was correct even though it was meant as a joke.  That's the problem with eliminating reality as a frame of reference.

69 Living in a gated community can separate a person from reality. Posted by: Downsized Upscale at July 29, 2010 03:59 PM (IhHdM) Does that fence around the White House count?

70 But Intrade has Amnesty up by 20%!!!!!!!!!!!

71

Living in a gated community can separate a person from reality.

If you build a gated community, then you don't have to worry about building a fence

72

"It is, in certain ways, I suppose, a higher form of thinking than thinking of the concrete."

Nooooo....no, no, no! Some ivory tower academic twit considering the finer points of hetronomative symbology is not thinking on a higher plane than an engineer designing a bridge, or for that matter a mechanic figuring out why a car is missing on one cylinder.

He's not fuckin' better than they are! He only thinks he is. Hell Ace, the work you do on this blog represents a far greater intellectual challenge than most professors in the humanities are capable of dealing with.

73 It's a fence. It's real purpose...

Sigh.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller, uber pedant at July 29, 2010 03:41 PM (SCcgT)

Overblown.

74 We now have our very own Aristocracy of Pull

75 Finally, my Friends, you understand what I've been telling you about building the fence. Now please excuse me. I think I see another parade that needs leading.

76

I'm noting this because a few weeks ago I saw a guy at the riots in Toronto who complained that the police barricades were a symbol representing a division between the protesters and the G-20 representatives.

God..don't ya just wanna tear those wanna be fucktard's head off!

77 Fence, schmence.  The nautral borders - the Rio Grande and the desert - do a good enough job!  Obama told me so!

78 And it would be much cheaper to get my grass cut here in NJ

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 29, 2010 03:59 PM (0GFWk)

Nothing is more expensive than "cheap labor". California spends over 21 BILLION a year on welfare, education and incarceration of illegal aliens and their children each and every year.

79 Okay, so now I know what a fence says (nothing), I know what an electric fence says (bzzzzzzzzt!), and I've got a pretty good idea what a virtual fence says (virtually nothing).

What would a 60' poured-concrete wall with machine gun towers and interlocking fields of fire say?

80 A government fence?  Now they wanna put me outta business too?

81

He's not fuckin' better than they are! He only thinks he is. Hell Ace, the work you do on this blog represents a far greater intellectual challenge than most professors in the humanities are capable of dealing with.

Thats true, and Ace can (and does) tell us to go fuck ourselves. Ya can't do that in the University!

82 68 Economist jokes suck.

Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2010 03:58 PM (e8YaH)

True, but it's not a problem because they're all written by the invisible hand.

83 And it would be much cheaper to get my grass cut here in NJ Posted by: nevergiveup at July 29, 2010 03:59 PM (0GFWk) Nothing is more expensive than "cheap labor". California spends over 21 BILLION a year on welfare, education and incarceration of illegal aliens and their children each and every year. Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 29, 2010 04:03 PM (oIp16) Yeah I know. I was just dreaming and joking. OK back to reality

84 Oh, contraire, I fuck myself all the time!

85

63 If the East Coast bordered Mexico instead of the Atlantic, we'd have the damn fence.

 

EAST SIIIIIIIDE!

86 I want a giant border wall that makes the Berlin wall shit itself. Multiple fences some chain link some concrete, spotting towers, concertina, dog runs, snipers, mobile patrol, land mines, etc. As much as feasible, National Guard troops should do their two weeks on the border. And again, this goes for both northern and southern borders. I want the coast guard patrolling the coasts and scanning all incoming freight off shore for WMD. If you're seen crossing the border I want the LE and Military fully authorized to aim center mass on any attempted border crossers. I'd love some fucking robots patrolling 24/7 armed to the teeth, but the tech may not be there yet. Go with what works. And that isn't drones or virtual anything. How's that for symbolism?

87

Lucianne@

FranceÂ’s President Sarkozy promised a crackdown against delinquency last week. Now he has ordered the dismantling of some 300 illegal camps of travellers and Roma across France, with the immediate deportation of anyone found without papers

omg, they are asking f or papers!

88 ALL of our problems since the mid-nineteenth century have been a product of abstract thinking.

89 Living in a gated community can separate a person from reality.

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at July 29, 2010 03:59 PM (IhHdM)

I live behind two gates, one with a guard, and the other that requires a key code. This state could meltdown totally and we would not know it until the power went off. I like it.

90 Stuffing 50 Big Macs into my slobbering maw each day symbolizes what a big, fat, overeating, over-consuming  hypocrite I am.

Also, it symbolizes my impending heart attack.

91 Isn't it ironic that the people who think we should seal our borders and never let a single job be outsourced overseas have no problem with leaving our borders wide open so that the riff-raff of the third world can flood in?

92 Ace: "You can tell it's a real-world division because now you can't get to the G-20 conference center and throw rock-metaphors through the window-symbols."

Heh. Ace brings the funny. Too bad it symbolizes his inherent racism, but it's still ha-ha funny.

93

And I thought, "Gee, no, actually it's not a symbol of a division; it really is, in fact, a physical division." Because, see, you're rioting. (And not symbolically in riot, either.) You can tell it's a real-world division because now you can't get to the G-20 conference center and throw rock-metaphors through the window-symbols.

You're such a simple man.  You just don't understand the nuance.

94 What would a 60' poured-concrete wall with machine gun towers and interlocking fields of fire say?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at July 29, 2010 04:03 PM (jhHL/)

Go Ahead, Make My Day?

95 OK, speaking of Mikey Moore, when that big ole vapor lock comes, who is going to pump fat boy's chest and who is gonna give mouth to mouth?

96 You couldn't get 68% of people to agree on anything else.  Things like "Do ghosts exist?" and "Should people be happy?" are more evenly split than this.  Build a wall as tall as possible.  Let illegal aliens work on it and pay them handsomely (only on the southern side)!

97 An invisible hand touched her left boob on their first date.

98 Yeah I know. I was just dreaming and joking. OK back to reality

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 29, 2010 04:04 PM (0GFWk)

Oh I know. I was just posting out that little factoid for the benefit of others that don't seem to know why we are all so aflutter out here in the West about that issue.

99 Economist jokes suck.

Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2010 03:58 PM (e8YaH)

A prisoner was walking around the recreation yard, trying to figure how to break out.  He walked up to a new prisoner and got to talking to him. 

"So what did you do on the outside?", he asked the new guy.

"I was an economist", said the new prisoner.

"Wow.  You must be a pretty smart guy.  Maybe you can figure out how to break out of this place."

So the economist says, "Easy.  Assume you had a pick axe....."

100 I'd love some fucking robots patrolling 24/7 armed to the teeth

ED-209 ready and operational! Drop your weapon! You have 10 seconds to comply!

101

OK, speaking of Mikey Moore, when that big ole vapor lock comes, who is going to pump fat boy's chest and who is gonna give mouth to mouth?

I'd pump his chest with a sledgehammer and give him mouth-to-mouth with the tailpipe of my truck.

I mean, if no one else volunteers.

102 I want the dang fence complete so that in 10 years I can revel in watching an old frumpish, wrinkled up, tatoo'd scrunt like Garafalo screaming "President Christi...tear down this fense!!111!!!11"  

103

"Metaphor" is a thing bastardized by the left. It's not a bad thing - just bastardized to the point of inciting ill feelings.

OTOH, I can't help but think of the Ultimate Metaphor: God... which incites ill feelings of the left.

Plus ca change, plus cÂ’est la meme chose... but interesting to think about.

104

92 I want a giant border wall that makes the Berlin wall shit itself. Multiple fences some chain link some concrete, spotting towers, concertina, dog runs, snipers, mobile patrol, land mines, etc.

 

Flaming pits of fire, bitches!

105 An invisible hand touched her left boob on their first date.

Posted by: Ace's new novel at July 29, 2010 04:10 PM (o7kZZ)

HE STEAL SUZY-Q METAPHOR AND FUNYUN SYMBOL!

106

HowÂ’s this for amateur sociology:

 

I donÂ’t believe this whole “illegal” thing would be nearly as bad as it didnÂ’t attract the political vultures to it. 

Most Americans I donÂ’t believe can truly abide with things like free services, tuition assistance and educational benefits not available to citizens, sanctuary cities, non-enforcement of laws because of status, and other advantages that a probably very small minority of Americans are able to ascribe to illegals to the (perceived, at least) disadvantage to citizens.

If politicians were to come up with a fair model under which illegals were to attain a legal status without politicians being able to use it as a f—king tool to get elected every few years, I believe that most Americans would welcome it. (And I don’t mean amnesty – they should go to the back of the line, imo of those who are waiting to get in legally.)

But our politicians play this against us every few years and it is to their advantage evidently to let it languish, or to come up with remedies that piss off one side and play them against the other.

But, as in previous comments IÂ’ve made, I could just as easily be full of shit.

107

HE STEAL SUZY-Q METAPHOR AND FUNYUN SYMBOL!

Mmm . . . Funyuns!

108 But if they build the fence, could they at least leave some large holes for Salma Hayek to stick her big tits through?

109 Crawl to the border, blow me, build a fence....In that order.

110 Now if it was a solar powered electric fence - that would already be up.

111 103 An invisible hand [symbolically] touched her left boob on their first date.

Posted by: Ace's new novel at July 29, 2010 04:10 PM (o7kZZ)

added a word

112 I WANT MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES ON THE MOTHERFUCKIN WALL

113

Comrade Zero has done what he promised.  He brought the country together.

Against the Zero Administration.

114 Ace: "I just tend to distrust this sort of divorced-from-tangible-reality worship of the abstract."

Oh, yeah? Well your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

115

114 But if they build the fence, could they at least leave some large holes for Salma Hayek to stick her big tits through?

 

Hey!  No gringos get to touch my enchiladas!

116

Oh, yeah? Well your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

 

Did somebody say hamster?

117

"Wow.  You must be a pretty smart guy.  Maybe you can figure out how to break out of this place."

So the economist says, "Easy.  Assume you had a pick axe....."

The mathematician says, "Define yourself to be outside of the fence."

118 Most Americans I donÂ’t believe can truly abide with things like free services, tuition assistance and educational benefits not available to citizens, sanctuary cities, non-enforcement of laws because of status, and other advantages that a probably very small minority of Americans are able to ascribe to illegals to the (perceived, at least) disadvantage to citizens.

That's because it's a symbol:
      __
      |  |
____|  |___
|  |  |  |  |  |
|  |  |  |  |  |

119 Damn thing

120 What would a 60' poured-concrete wall with machine gun towers and interlocking fields of fire say? Home, sweet Home

121 Anyone live in AZ?  Do you get a sense mexican-american citizens support border enforcement?

122 Yes, congress passed the secure fence act of 2006, you know the congress was going to guarantee the border was secure before comprehensive immigration reform. And then Obama removed funding for it ... But enough of the miles were built to prove it worked.

So what will this group of AMNESTY seekers do when they become the ones on the bubble for the next group. Slave wages for all.

Isn't it weird how congressional clunkers won't keep their word about anything?

123 Mark Levin posting Facebook snark in response to some Andi Sullivan "Atlantic" stupidity. "The only choice for fiscal conservatives is to vote Democrat...", that kind of crap. Might be the night for non-listeners to try to find the Levin show on the dial. Full on Mark Levin vs. Andi Sullivan will be hilarious.

124

But while 76% of Mainstream voters think the United States should continue to build the fence, 67% of the Political Class are opposed to it.

Uh, but then only 68% want the fence?  Either they pretty much ONLY polled the "political class"... or their as math challenged as Tim Geitner.

And the major question, why are we asking the servents, what the Boss's want?  Why are they even ASKING the Political class these questions?

125 Salma Hayek is a naturalized U.S. Citizen. An American, free and clear, so we don't need to leave any holes in the fence. She's already here.

126

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2010 04:15 PM (T0NGe)

Sorry to interrupt all your smart witty posts, but with that hash, you really needed to be on last night's pussy-licking thread on the ONT.

127

60' poured-concrete wall with machine gun towers and interlocking fields of fire.

 

I beat that in New York, I'll beat that in Nogales.

128 What would a 60' poured-concrete wall with machine gun towers and interlocking fields of fire say?

More dues!!

129 That's because it's a symbol:
      __
      |  |
____|  |___
|  |  |  |  |  |
|  |  |  |  |  |

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 29, 2010 04:16 PM (5aa4z)

Oh.

Pretend I never brought it up.

130 O/T:  So she wants "card check now" per your hotair site?  Well, are she and the dems/libs going to personally guarantee the safety of anyone who doesn't check the card pro union.  And take full responsibility for anything, anything at all that occurs as a result of said legislation?

131 She's already here.

Posted by: maddogg at July 29, 2010 04:18 PM (OlN4e)

But her chi-chis are in Mexico..

132 Actually the fence does symbolize something. That Mexico is a bad neighbor. I wonder what the support for a border fence with Canada would be?

133
The Mandate Without Men^tm

The Republicans might win the House, this November, on a mandate of repeal, security, a spending cuts...

but will they have the courage to prosecute such change?

134 I wish they'd build a complete fence here in TX. You hear & see such awful things about violence in the border towns, & it seems a fence would help keep the drug cartels at bay.

135 131 Salma Hayek is a naturalized U.S. Citizen. An American, free and clear, so we don't need to leave any holes in the fence. She's already here.

Posted by: maddogg at July 29, 2010 04:18 PM (OlN4e)

And I, for one, am better off because of it.

136 _{en fuego}

137

Oh.

Pretend I never brought it up.

We need a preview function just to prevent Chronic ASCII Fail.

138 In another news, 68% of Americans are now racist.

Back to you , Katie.

139 I wonder what the support for a border fence with Canada would be?

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at July 29, 2010 04:20 PM (tzcjs)

I dunno,. but if our country goes down the shitter any more, the Canadians (whose banks are sound)  may want to build one.

140 Sorry to interrupt all your smart witty posts, but with that hash, you really needed to be on last night's pussy-licking thread on the ONT.

In Soviet America, pussy licks you!

141 "138 Actually the fence does symbolize something. That Mexico is a bad neighbor. I wonder what the support for a border fence with Canada would be?

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at July 29, 2010 04:20 PM (tzcjs)"

Don't think they would care.  As long as someone else is paying for it, they would probably think it's fine.

142 29 Operation Wetback.

operation wetfoot

143

Ace, glad to see you've finally figured out how it all works, in re the higher abilities of the enlightened.

 

Of course, your conclusions are probably all wrong, as you would be aware (and the enlightened already KNOW) if you had the least capacity to COMPREHEND anything at all, let alone understand it, or get it...

144 Good Fences = Good Neighbors


I thought I'd already explained this to you frickin' retards?

145 Operation Swat Bumblebee Man is in full effect.

146 144 In another news, 68% of Americans are now racist.

Back to you , Katie.

Posted by: MFM at July 29, 2010 04:21 PM (EW49d)

Katie, dammit, are you drunk again?

147 Sgt Fury @63 makes a damn good point. The oh so open minded liberals of the north east coast have no problems with the border being open because they are not dealing with it. It's like a unfunded mandate.

148 I live on the East Coast and I want a border wall so large that you can see it from space!

149
We simply making good neighbors.

150 Katie, dammit, are you drunk again?

WHO WANTS TO FUCK?!?!?

*giggle

*bleargh......

151 I don't give a rat's ass if the support goes up to 108%. What you teabagging cons fail to realize time and again is that this is all about ME. So, to borrow an endearment from my VP...bite me.

152 On my next job I think I'll tell the client that I'm going to use symbolic fasteners instead of nails , screw , and bolts .When their house is reduced to matchsticks in the next stiff breeze they can consider it a statement on the patriarchal influence of western engineering and design concepts .

153 "Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'"

154 maddogg: "Thats true, and Ace can (and does) tell us to go fuck ourselves. Ya can't do that in the University!"

So not true. And I have the semester transcripts to prove it. The Humanities and Plant Systematics were the worst.

155 No Walls around Jericho!

156

It's a vicious cycle:

More illegals, less cracka babies, less cracka babies, less work for black panthers.

Ya just can't win!

157

157 I don't give a rat's ass if the support goes up to 108%. What you teabagging cons fail to realize time and again is that this is all about ME. So, to borrow an endearment from my VP...bite me.

 

Don't forget Mr. President . . . you won!

158 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 29, 2010 04:26 PM (zgZzy)

like that dam in China?  I heard that is very cool to see.

159

Hah!

Beat you all to the obvious Robert Frost joke! Mine is an evil laugh!

160 We got fooled in 1986 when they said there would be border security, so, this time, border security comes first, then a pathway to amnesty.

161 "Isn't it ironic that the people who think we should seal our borders and never let a single job be outsourced overseas have no problem with leaving our borders wide open so that the riff-raff of the third world can flood in?
Posted by: Steve L."

What?

You make absolutely no sense, here.

162 Has there been any polling on the use of a mine field, mixed high-density, Sprengmine 44's, Shumine 42's, Pot mines, A200's, the little wooden bastards that the mine detectors don't pick up? 

I'm betting it would get a controversial 39%

163 Don't forget Mr. President . . . you won!

Oh...yes. Thanks, Bibbsy...er...Gibbsy. Got distracted. Tough putt for quad bogey coming up here.

164 166 We got fooled in 1986 when they said there would be border security, so, this time, border security comes first, then a pathway to amnesty.

Posted by: Neo at July 29, 2010 04:30 PM (tE8FB)

Then mandatory chimichangas on all school menus.

165 That's it!  We'll call it "insourcing" and nobody can be against the oposite of "outsourcing"!!

166 Steve L. -

Come to think of it, that was positively Alanis Morissette level of "irony" disguised as utter incoherence.

I hope you were joking.

167

I heard that is very cool to see.

Ours will be cooler because of the rings of fire.

168 And I thought, "Gee, no, actually it's not a symbol of a division; it really is, in fact, a physical division." Because, see, you're rioting. (And not symbolically in riot, either.) You can tell it's a real-world division because now you can't get to the G-20 conference center and throw rock-metaphors through the window-symbols.

Hey ... this is good stuff !!

169 The privacy fence in my backyard is both practical and metaphoric of my desire to block out my damn next-door neighbors. Why else are they offended by it? More importantly, why should I care?

170 11 Busloads of Californians in Arizona protesting.  If we can schedule implementing another immigration law on November 4th (election day) maybe enough Californians will go to protest in Arizona (arrested and unable to vote) and we can rid this State of the current idiots representing us.  One can only hope.  

171 175 The privacy fence in my backyard is both practical and metaphoric of my desire to block out my damn next-door neighbors. Why else are they offended by it?

Posted by: dum blond at July 29, 2010 04:32 PM (gbCNS)

Because it's blocking their view of you sunbathing nude.

172 ErikW: "I'd pump his chest with a sledgehammer and give him mouth-to-mouth with the tailpipe of my truck."

Rhetorically, of course.

173

175 The privacy fence in my backyard is both practical and metaphoric of my desire to block out my damn next-door neighbors. Why else are they offended by it? More importantly, why should I care?

 

We're offended because we can't get a good look at your boobies now!!!

174 After the fence gets built, then what?

A couple of weeks of  remorse and self-loathing in Newseek and Time, and some ugly political cartoons with themes pandering to white guilt.  Then the issue will be put on the back burner as journalists lose interest and chase the next shiny thing.

I can live with that.

175 Don't wait until 11/4 to vote.  It's scheduled on 11/2 this year.

176 Operation Wetback.  Look it up.  Bring it back (but this time look for a nicer sounding name).

Posted by: Hedgehog

Sounds like it's time for a naming contest!

early entries:

Operation 'reunion'

Operation 'round trip'

Operation 'how did I wind up back here?'

Operation 'signing a lease was pointless'

Operation 'refused by addressee'

Operation ' Oh no you don't'

 

177 I don't really understand the opposition to this amongst the political class, specifically the Dims. They can see the current numbers are against it, they can see it energizes the Rightwing base, and god-forbid a terrorist(s) walks across that border and does something horrible while they are screwing around - the party responsible for that mess would get slaughtered. So they are willing to take a current drumming and run the risk of political catastrophe -- all for the relatively dubious proposition of a future voting base? The calculus is really off here, something is biasing it.

178 Operation Go Home and clean up the mess there

179 How about... Operation "Adios" Operation "Return to Sender" Operation "Dry Back" Operation "Slowpoke Rodriguez" Operation "Not Welcome" Operation "We Finally Grew Some Balls" Operation "We invented Taco Bell so we don't need you anymore."

180 Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2010 04:42 PM (xMgdu) The left is doing the same thing it did under the Clinton years. Ignore the danger and let the incoming Republican President deal with the consequences (and blame).

181

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 29, 2010 04:45 PM (WZFkG)

I like:

Operation "Sovereignty"

That would really makes the lefts' heads explode.  Although, that won't change them, as they don't use their heads, anyway.  But, it does slow them down a bit.

182 Under my program of jailing the employers they wouldn't need to spend money on the fence.

183 Good fences make good neighbors.
Robert Frost

184 Under my program of jailing flaying the employers they wouldn't need to spend money on the fence.

FTFY

185

168 Has there been any polling on the use of a mine field, mixed high-density, Sprengmine 44's, Shumine 42's, Pot mines, A200's, the little wooden bastards that the mine detectors don't pick up? 

+69

186

Anyone knowingly employing an illegal should be tried, and executed. Their assets siezed. And their family sold into slavery.

Some people think I'm a bit extreme. Fuck 'em.

187 Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 29, 2010 04:49 PM (Qp4DT) Let's take it one step further... Operation "America, Fuck Yeah!"

188 Operation "America, Fuck Yeah!"

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 29, 2010 04:52 PM (WZFkG)

Works for me.

189

There are 2 problems here. One is Mexico, who just dumps its' poor on the U.S any way they can. And we don't hold that government accountable.

The other is the U.S. It would seem, by the actions and the laws that have NOT been passed by this country, that there is a very large group of interests who want illegals in this country.

It's a tough fight.

190 "The other is the U.S. It would seem, by the actions and the laws that have NOT been passed by this country, that there is a very large group of interests who want illegals in this country."

Pete Stark informed a group of constituents that the "restaurant lobby" (?! WTF?) didn't want enforcement.

191

Concrete and fence posts were outlawed per Obamacare page 3,001 paragraph 86. Ya know 'it had to be passed for us to see what was in it'

192 Ace,
Excellent post.  Let me add two more things to your analysis.

1. It is also a cultural issue.  Support for the border fence is culturally identified with the gun-totin' Minuteman rubes.  The good people of the Political Class can't be seen to be associated with them even in the slightest.

2. The political class inherently don't believe in American exceptionalism.  Therefore they think America is always perilously close to full-blown Nazi Fascism.  In fact, you could say they believe in American Anti-Exceptionalism: we're always on the verge of disaster because we're a nation full of idiots and retards (according to them), unlike the educated Europhiles represented by the political class.  So building a wall, because it could, very hypothetically, lead to concentration camps and atrocities against brown people, and because the Political Class has no faith in Americans to restrain themselves from going down that path, they will resist even the vaguest of vague hints of going there.

193 While discussing this issue with two deputy sheriffs recently, I was interested (and amused) by one deputy's theory and suspicion that the Democrats are deliberately bringing in hordes of dumb people from south of the border to deliberately dilute this country's population of intelligent people with dummies who will support the Democratic Party's communist agenda. The way he put it was funnier than that, but you know, he might be onto something there.  Ya gotta love our deputy sheriffs here. They have to put up with shit that boggles the mind, and yet they still have their sense of humor.

194 Democrats are deliberately bringing in hordes of dumb people from south of the border to deliberately dilute this country's population of intelligent people with dummies who will support the Democratic Party's communist agenda.


In other words, Idocracy......I will be suing the deputy for copyright infringement as soon as you tell me his name.

195 Or, Idiocracy.  I forgot how to spell after that last bong hit.  Sorry.

196 One is Mexico, who just dumps its' poor on the U.S any way they can. And we don't hold that government accountable.

When Mexican-national illegally-resident rapists, murderers, drug smugglers, coyotes, and pedophiles get deported, we should air-drop them into this yard. 

I'm not sure if it would be more effective to give them parachutes so they can start casing the place, or to just let 'em fall.

197 hasn't most of the fence already been built and been determined not to be an effective way of stopping illegal border crossing ? It is essentially complete from the Pacific to NM which is where most of the illegals used to and still do cross I mean does anyone think that the stupid thing works ? Morons

198 Uh-oh.

Think Barry can squeeze a visit to AZ in between all his vacations?

199 Ace foogle border fence and you can see that it is mostly already up and failed

200
204 Erm...yeah.  This will be interesting.

_{Pack the Kevlar, Sarah...}

201 "Operation Gated Community"

Gated communities should not be only for the top 1% of Americans.  Let's put a gate around all 57 States.

202 Democrats are deliberately bringing in hordes of dumb people from south

They have been dumbing down the schools for 40 years for the same reason, and look who's running the country (into the ground).

203 They say a border fence won't stop illegal immigration.  Fair enough, but it will slow the illegals down long enough to get a bead on them.

204 Build the fence with the leftovers they were going to put in Yucca Mountain.

205 203 hasn't most of the fence already been built and been determined not to be an effective way of stopping illegal border crossing ? It is essentially complete from the Pacific to NM which is where most of the illegals used to and still do cross
I mean does anyone think that the stupid thing works ?
Morons

Posted by: denny crane at July 29, 2010 05:25 PM (I+7Zv)

Bet you think Lindsey Graham is just fuckin' dreamy don't ya.

206 Unclefacts:  Bet you think Lindsey Graham is just fuckin' dreamy don't ya.

Yeah.  So what's it to you?

207

hasn't most of the fence already been built and been determined not to be an effective way of stopping illegal border crossing ?

No.

It is essentially complete from the Pacific to NM which is where most of the illegals used to and still do cross.

No.

I mean does anyone think that the stupid thing works ?

Well, if it were built, then we could discuss it.

208

To put it nicely, Denny, you don't have a clue. I've been reading your ditzy comments - screwy assumptions, even screwier conjectures and wild 'n irresponsible accusations which aren't supported by the facts. I'm sure that you don't mean to be, but you're so ditzy that you're funny._. So please, keep 'em coming,

_{(Pssst, Ace? Is that you?)}

209 Someday we'll get a full-assed troll.

210 Build the fence with the leftovers they were going to put in Yucca Mountain.

LOL, those elements have to decay for a minimum of 5 years before they can be shipped. However it would be tough to stack them unshielded onto a fence.

The last time I saw someone try to measure one it was by lowering a high level film badge next to one in the SFP under 12 ft of water. They estimated 10⁶  Rem/hr.

That is what we called instant molecular death.

211

But....but....the Dems keep saying if the wall is 30ft. high

the hordes at the gate will make 31ft. ladders!  I guess

we just have to give up......now, land mines might just

do the trick.

212 ======  IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL STOP COMING  =============

213 You can go here and see where the fence is and where it's not. Mostly where its not. Left side of web page.
American Border Patrol

214 Mines.  1 mile deep, 1000 miles wide.  Let's play illegal immigrant roulette.

215 That is what we called instant molecular death.

Posted by: Vic at July 29, 2010 05:49 PM (/jbAw)

I'm not seeing a downside here Vic

216 We're doing this wrong. Instead of focusing on drugs and human trafficking, we should claim illegals are crossing the border carrying (gasp) UNTAXED TOBACCO! Our a$$hat governor, Jim "cigarettes at $60 a carton" Doyle would be leading the charge, in a .50cal equpped Hummer, leaving a trail of bodies in his wake.

217 OT - more Soetoro follies over at The Thinker

B.O., Adult Child of an Alcoholic
tinyurl.com/35tmm7q

218 Unclefacts--we don't want to kill the builders...(of course, I'm assuming we're awarding the bid to firms that don't pick up their workers out by the Home Depot every morning...maybe a bad assumption)

bigred--lol, so true.

219 225 Unclefacts--we don't want to kill the builders...(of course, I'm assuming we're awarding the bid to firms that don't pick up their workers out by the Home Depot every morning...maybe a bad assumption)

bigred--lol, so true.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 29, 2010 06:04 PM (jV+np)

Heather you've forgotten the first rule of any nefarious plot: Leave No Witnesses.

220 Peek-a-boo, Denny! Are you still there? Olie, olie, olsen free! Come out, come out, wherever you are?

221 I don't really support a border fence, because illegals could easily climb it or cut thru it. Mine the frontier - with cluster bombs.

222 203 hasn't most of the fence already been built and been determined not to be an effective way of stopping illegal border crossing ? It is essentially complete from the Pacific to NM which is where most of the illegals used to and still do cross
I mean does anyone think that the stupid thing works ?
Morons

Posted by: denny crane at July 29, 2010 05:25 PM (I+7Zv)

Dickless twat.

Come down here and try to climb over the full-size 18' version (which has only been implemented in sections, due to the traitors in Congress and that bizarre fecal pellet in the White House). It is sheer vertical metal and has motion detectors.

 

223

Mine the frontier - with cluster bombs.

Ummm, No.

Now the drug boys, that's a whole different story.

Ambush...

224 "...and that bizarre fecal pellet in the White House)." Oh, Dear! Is THAT where I left it?

225 For those of you who are Abstract Nihilists, Proponents of Neo-Chomskyian Deep Structure, and quasi-Haiku aficionados:

A fence

may not absolutely prevent your neighbor's dog from shitting on your lawn,

but it sure helps.

^{_{(and a paintball marker with electric feed hopper, fully loaded, can get the little doggie's attitude right, and real fast)}}

226 well tell me how much it has helped so far since we have it up from the Pacific to the NM border. Of course once your neighbors dog is in, it then makes it harder for him to leave. Enforcing the law on hiring would do a hell of a lot more than a fence. And also 50% of all illegals that are now in the country came on legal visas. The fence would only stop them from LEAVING

227 #233 denny crane

1. As shown above, the fence "from the Pacific to the NM border" is incomplete.  Actually, it has many holes in it, and does not exist in other places.  I think you know this, you just want to evade the truth.

2. "And also 50% of all illegals that are now in the country came on legal visas."
  No. Obviously untrue. You know this, as well

3. "Of course once your neighbors dog is in, it then makes it harder for him to leave."
  If you've ever had a "doggie problem", then you know that if you deal with it quickly, the doggie leaves even faster.  They're good at remembering how they got in.

228

Come down here and try to climb over the full-size 18' version (which has only been implemented in sections, due to the traitors in Congress and that bizarre fecal pellet in the White House). It is sheer vertical metal and has motion detectors. -TJ

I'll bet the UN wouldn't approve if we did build the fence like that all along the border.. Probably something like obscuring some historic view, or mopery with intent to creep.

229 Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Cirrhosis) glibly thundered before the Senate one day, "Show me a fifty foot fence and I'll show you a fifty-one foot ladder." If I lived in DC I woulda unveiled a prototype section of  fence and said, "OK, it's your turn, Ted. It's not even close to fifty feet tall. This'll be easy. Show us the ladder. And then use it to climb over the wall, fatass."

230

@27: "Border fence is like checking for ID's when voting."

Racist?

231 Ace, I've gotten to the point where I've moved on from just a fence.  I'd even settle for LAND MINES.

232

@54: "Nothing says get off my lawn like a 6 barrel auto rotating 20mm Vulcan Cannon."

I prefer the retro look.  Either the quad-40mm mount, or the German Flakvierling.

233 What bothers me more than the "bad symbolism" of concrete measures are the bold statements of the abstract:

"You can't deport 12 million people.  That would be impossible!"

Really?  How many could we deport?  How many should we deport?  None, you say?  Eisenhower deported nearly 100,000 in less than a year, while causing the self-deportation of over a million. 

234 I think I found a place for all those unused land mines.

235 None, you say? Eisenhower deported nearly 100,000 in less than a year, while causing the self-deportation of over a million. Posted by: Cooter at July 29, 2010 07:16 PM (k2Bjx) I'm still sucking my thumb over that, booh, hoo!!!

236 @236: Show me a 12 foot deep puddle of water, and I'll drive my girlfriend into it!

237

@192: "Anyone knowingly employing an illegal should be tried, and executed. Their assets siezed. And their family sold into slavery."

Naw, naw.  We're cool with that.

238 Well said, Ace.  Really.  The type of person you speak of is the classic revolutionary who brings down the old order and all of its restraints and then becomes the first victims of the power players like Stalin, who actually do deal in reality.  Trotsky will tell you all about it

239 233 well tell me how much it has helped so far since we have it up from the Pacific to the NM border. Of course once your neighbors dog is in, it then makes it harder for him to leave. Enforcing the law on hiring would do a hell of a lot more than a fence. And also 50% of all illegals that are now in the country came on legal visas. The fence would only stop them from LEAVING

Posted by: denny crane at July 29, 2010 06:45 PM (I+7Zv)

must be a bitch having to live with stupidity of this magnitude.

240

Trotsky would tell you all about it if only Stalin had not located him down in Mexico with that little Mexican artist and her husband, whatshername again?

Reality beats abstract every time they meet up.

241 “This memorandum offers administrative relief options to . . . reduce the threat of removal for certain individuals present in the United States without authorization,” it reads.

Also: “In the absence of Comprehensive Immigration Reform, USCIS can extend benefits and/or protections to many individuals and groups by issuing new guidance and regulations, exercising discretion with regard to parole-in-place, deferred action and the issuance of Notices to Appear (NTA), and adopting significant process improvements.”

242 And also 50% of all illegals that are now in the country came on legal visas. The fence would only stop them from LEAVING

The U.S. doesn't check your ID as you leave.

Not to mention you don't have to cross the Mexican border on foot to return to Ireland, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Thailand, etc--you can take a plane, maybe not directly there, but certainly with minimal unnecessary stops.

243

Denny - #233 @ 6:45PM

Whoa, you got us there!!! Can't agrue with that logic.

 

244 233 well tell me how much it has helped so far since we have it up from the Pacific to the NM border. Of course once your neighbors dog is in, it then makes it harder for him to leave. Enforcing the law on hiring would do a hell of a lot more than a fence. And also 50% of all illegals that are now in the country came on legal visas. The fence would only stop them from LEAVING

Posted by: denny crane at July 29, 2010 06:45 PM (I+7Zv)

I just walked in FROM the Mexican border about 5 minuets ago, and I must say, from first hand experience, that you are profoundly retarded.

There ARE NO CONTROLS on going into Mexico from the USA. You have two very bored Infantería de Marina (Mexican Marines) standing in front of a card table waving EVERYONE through with no documentation what-so-ever. This is at the San Ysidro border crossing. Disneyland has better security than Mexico does at the US border.

Next time, know of what you are speaking before you talk nonsense.

245

Of course, once your neighbors dog is in

Dude, are you comparing Mexicans to dogs?

You are a bad, bad liberal.

246 Amnesty without any vote http://tinyurl.com/22lhu46 We're all orphans in Zombieland

247 Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Sometimes a door is just a door.
Sometimes a fence is just a fence.

248 What we know:

- Dems won't vote for anything not including immediate amnesty (a very firm position I suspect).
- Public is opposed to immediate (gr)amnesty.
- Public is (now?) in support of a fence while the political class (whom is despised) is not.

SO: How to use to advantage? Any ideas?

Seems possible it could be used as a "wedge issue" for Nov. 2010, coupled with the AZ suit. I am imagining the Repubs actually BRINGING A PLAN TO THE PUBLIC. One the libs won't accept which is easier than pie - push it hard - be viewed in favor of a real "immigration reform" - take the word back _ (hint: it can even be more left then it would/will be - added bonus: the far right would be against and this would make media's job harder - it won't happen in next 2 years anyway (if get House - otherwise screwed regardless)).

a little far-fetched I know, but I wonder if GOP could use the center-position(s), for the Fall, while these nutballs are leaning so far left, and the public is moving away - the field is wide open in that sense.

If they say, "look, we are all for immigration reform, AND HERE IS OUR PLAN, it is the Dems who are trying to rigg the system (for votes). We simply feel that the path-to-citizenship should be a path and not a jump". This would also counter the party-of-NO theme, not that it's all bad, but it's bad to be pegged to one, and countering themes is a tactic to keep media off-balance. The left is, among other things, the party-of-Obstinant.

PS: silly ques: Can AZ pass a new law tommorrow and keep the DOJ and WH busy filing suits until Nov?

249 I think we should ask our "political class" if they have fence around THEIR property.  If so, how can they be against that which they use for themselves?

250 Symbolism, like accusations of racism, is the squid ink of the left. Since there is no real world reason to support any idea that progressives come up with, they have to promote imagination and fantasy. If that doesn't work there's always character assassination. The left has no factual or realistic arguments so they distract.

251 hate to re-post but here is some fodder/brain-dump in case even one sentence is useful:

-- begin post --
1) Have to be able to prevent gross flow of physical bodies across border, FIRST*. Choose your tech-of-choice. Initially it will need super-charged resources/patrols, which would be unnecessary once the solution has settled, (ideally - the guest-worker program and complying employers would do the trick (oh, but there is entitlements... k neglect for now), and a simple fence properly placed would remove the tail.

Next, a solution could have 2 things:

- guest-worker program

I don't know what there is now but this would not be your standard work-visa, with requirements A. We need this program because we don't want to cut-off the cheap labor supply, is that right? and the citizenship part should be necessarily a longer part, part of the,

- path-way to citizenship (for the future guest-workers + "special case" for those who broke the law)

There already is a normal one, and we are doing a "special case" for our valued resident neighbors, right? so this could be an auxillary path which could not be as strict as say the work/student/visa process, as we are primarly trying to avoid "uprooting" people.

2) First things first. Guest worker program. Once this is announced their will be an extreme increase in "migrants" (but does it matter?). background check etc. maybe fingerprints whatever...

* this is why there must be block first. It doesn't matter what the details of the amnesty process are: we will not be able to validate any work history as that would require self-incrimination by the employer (unless you want to grant them amnesty to, but again, the announcement, paperwork...) and we aren't looking at tax records (sorry if they also committed identity theft but they don't get that money back) or received handouts. Point is we will be having a blue-light special from the announcement untill the "special case" forms stop being handed out (eventually just an initial guest-worker program form). There may be another way to distinguish between those who have legitamate roots here and those who don't, but it escapes me.

Maybe they could be given the choice of paying into FICA/etc. or not. Those who do not want to become citizens would get to keep their money (oooh.. jealous - though mexico may grab it). If they choose to pay then those years should count if they eventually become citizens.

3) once we have all the guest workers including the millions of "special cases", we then stop handing out the forms and place those into the "pathway-to-citizenship" file in the immigration department, which will be at THE END OF LINE in the other immigration forms. They can still work with the guest-worker thing until interview or whatever - however, in the evalution, they will be allowed special (one time?) requirements that will take into account their whatever status. If they fail their guest-worker thing is cancelled and we send I nice letter asking them to leave.

No citizenship shall be awarded from this legislation for 1 full federal election cycle + 1 day. They will be guest-workers with application to pathway-to-citizenship until then.

After all the "special cases" are handled, their could still be a separate set of requirements for people applying for citizenship from the guest-worker program (after whatever years), but this would be uniform and not prejudicing any race or nationality or "US residency" prior 201X. In the end, there would be the final guest-worker forms at the embassies/border (fee paid at counter - but no job needed, or guaranteed), which would be quick, plus, a fence to boot (to deter the greediest employers, as the wages will necessarily rise for this new class).

At that point, as far as babies, if they are born here and go to school here, well, let's make them Americans.

-- end post --
pls, forgive my impudence.

252 "let's make them Americans."

supposed to be: "let's make them Americans."

253 Oh yeah... shoot, also, and very importantly:

"or nationality"

should be striked out: "or nationality"

duh.

254 203 I mean does anyone think that the stupid thing works ?
Morons

Posted by: denny crane at July 29, 2010 05:25 PM (I+7Zv)

Shorter denny crane: "FENCES: HOW DO THEY WORK?"

Gee, I have most of a telephone here, but for some inexplicable reason, it don't work. It is a mystery to us all.

Also, do you just forget where you're posting? "Morons" isn't an insult here, it's just the name of the group.

Do you stand outside the fence at dairy farms and shout "herd!" at them? I could so see that. Well, until the guys in the "rescue" van arrive.

255 Guest worker won't solve shit. People are fleeing Mexico because it's a dangerous, corrupt shit hole. The jobs are free government cheese is a bonus.

256 *the jobs OR free govt cheese

257 ...and, another concern that I had was that it would probably be a bit harder to pass a FAIR Tax after such votes materialize... it's a strategy call I guess and I wouldn't know, but my hunch now is the FAIR Tax will be a big, long, lift regardless; and BO is there for 2 mo yrs and you gotta make the best of what you got. *pulls foot out of mouth*

258 Ace, this abstract/concrete thing is a good insight. It helped some puzzling things fall into place about lib behavior I've observed. Example: I was once at a dinner, nice calm atmosphere, when a tangential reference to politics led one of the attending libs to raise his voice and say "I think that Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL who should be EXECUTED!" His face turned red as he said this, and his usually kind demeanor turned savage and uncontrolled. For him, Bush was an abstraction, and the people around him, enjoying their dinners, well, they were just mundane concrete examples, no point in worrying about them.

259 *the jobs OR free govt cheese

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 29, 2010 09:17 PM (WZFkG)

yes, but we will have to wait untill 2013 for any entitlement reform no? So ques is how to get a fence before then... frankly, I don't think BO would allow a fence even with blanket amnesty..... so, then, the question is whats the best way to play the issue until he is gone. plus, the political (lobby) reality is that at minimum the solution will have to include ability to obtain special visa whatever outside the US; whatever that is called doesn't matter.

260 ALL of our problems since the mid-nineteenth century French Revolution have been a product of abstract thinking.

Posted by: Brad at July 29, 2010 04:06 PM (2GsJg)

FTFY

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