1 as soon as Palin climbed out of her igloo

Why would anyone read beyond that bit of ignorant racism?

2 Stupid bitch is an Astroturfer too dumb to know how to get Axelrod to pay her.

3 Oh look, it's a FiftyTwo Percenter. Fuck you, you fucking fuck.

You ought to have your voting rights permanently revoked.

4 I voted against him, after I voted for him.

5 That was kinda my reaction to the piece too. 

The author's a David Brooks sort of crease-inspector.   Style over substance every time.

6 You can tell it is a Democrat writing this.  He/she/it is projecting what they are feeling onto Republicans.  McCain was dead in the water before Palin signed on and what the mention of her name in this pathetic, teenage girl bit of manipulative tripe tells me is that they still fear her.  As they should.

7 All you need to know about Dorkson is in this one excerpt:

I'm not sorry for you. I'm sorry for me. Because I voted for Obama for me, not for you.

She is a nasty, stupid person who really shouldn't be voting or expressing her asinine thoughts to anyone. She is one of the despicable, lying scumbag left who really don't deserve the benefits of modern civilization, since all they do is work to destroy it.

Dorkson's bitching about Palin just goes further to prove what a despicable person Dorkson is. She's your typical liberal. A waste of flesh and not two brain cells to rub together.

8

She's not impressing anybody in the comments, either, for obvious reasons.

9 Jill Dorson is an ignorant scrunt.

10 I knew lots of people who supported Obama in the primary who suddenly 'decided' to support him right after McCain picked Palin.  A phenomenon which was clearly recorded in the polls at the time.  Oh, wait...

11

Parting shot, anybody buying her last line about hoping the Republicans can find a "president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first."?

I could walk outside of my goddamn apartment and find twenty people who fit those criteria better than Obama.

12 I thought the concern trolls limited themselves to blog posts.

13 Hey Jack! Who in Hell would go for THAT thang!!!

14
If Jill Dorson is a Republican, I'm the King of Siam...

15
Sounds like it's a covert warning to Republicans not to pick a conservative in 2012. John McCain is okay, though.

Yeah, I'm sure the author really voted for Bush in 2004.

16

Dorkson writes:  "(Obama) bailed out the most wicked..."  Why do I picture the crazy fat lady from "Trading Spouses" as writing this article? 

17 The 52%er is one 'Jill Dorson' aka Jill Dorks 'em. It goes way back to her childhood you know. Kinda like Barry being a bastard child with abandonment issues. Once warped...

18 This is what Rush calls a 'Seminar Caller'.

19 I was going to vote Republican, but then I saw the reprehensible things Rush Limbaugh had said about bringing back slavery.

20 I read this letter on another blog.  The author is an idiot.  I usually like the 'I regret my Obama vote' articles, but this person is lost in the wilderness.  Adjust her meds, then walk away...

21

Lots of weeping and buyer's remorse over Obama after just one year, but Dennis the Peasant had the best response to these kinds of jeremiads:

"You didn't want a candidate with a record of achievement (and failure). You didn't want a man already measured. You wanted a blank slate. A blank slate you could project all your hopes and dreams upon without having to worry about reality.

You got what you wanted.

At the time of his election to the presidency, Barack Obama had no meaningful experience or accomplishments in the field of politics. You knew nothing of his character or his capacity to lead. You didn't care. He looked the part and said the right things. Your imagination did the rest. Now that Obama is faced with real life, and his lack of experience and defects of character have been exposed in the most painful manner imaginable, you find yourself professing shock...

Really? What did you expect? Seriously. What did you expect?

You didn't want the sort of politician who could draw on experience and strength of character to get things done, you wanted the sort of politician you could give yourself a big hug for supporting. It was never about Barack Obama; it was about you. And if he's fucked it all up, it is in no small part because you fucked it all up, too. You got what you wanted. You wanted Barack Obama and you got him.

That's not Barack Obama's fault."

http://tinyurl.com/y9w7uyh

 

22 Astroturfing the Independents won't vote for a Palin meme.  You have to trust her because she regrets voting for the One.  She admits she was wrong about Obama, but can't admit that Palin as a VP would be better.  STFU

23 Pork-a-Dork

24 crease-inspector

quality

25 I was going to vote McCain, but then my gay best friend informed me that Dick Cheney and the Republicans intended to round up all HIV positive citizens and brand them.

26 a "president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first."

Sounds a bit like Palin.  Heh.

27

>> Sounds like it's a covert warning to Republicans not to pick a conservative in 2012. John McCain is okay, though.

 

I hadn't thought of that aspect but I agree with you.

 

Anyway it's clearly not an "Obama is awful" piece so much as it is a "Palin is awful" bit.

28 I was going to vote McCain, but then my well-read friend told me how Bush wanted to listen in on my phone calls and that Capitalism was going to lead to the destruction of Mother Earth.

29 You wanted a blank slate.

I originally read that as "black slate"  (raaaaacist, denouncing myself), which would also be correct.

30 For a person who claims to be a "fiscal conservative"

Lots of people make that claim. Unfortunately, the rest of their ideology lists to the port side.

31 They can Astroturf all they want but I see another Democrat congressman, this one from Arkansas has decided to "spend more time with his family". Some of them are seeing the writing on the wall.

32 I believe her.

33 It's funny how none of these "I regret" people makes any mention of how they voted for national suicide just to alleviate their illusory white guilt, which is the bulk of what got the Indonesian imbecile elected.

Can we get the SCOTUS to take the eligibiity case, now, state the obvious rule that having any other citizenship immediately obviates natural born status (as only makes sense and is what our Founders had clearly intended), and throw the Slumdog Precedent out, finally? Pretty please? It's one of the only solutions to the existential threat that looms over this nation.

Because, I hope everyone understands that the US cannot last through three years of this America-hating imbecile in the White House. Something has got to give.

34 I was going to vote for Coakley, but then a bee stung me. I got very angry! So I voted for Brown.

35 Me, too.  I believe her.

36 And me.

37
yeah, I guess it's never too early for the DNC operatives in the media to pick our next presidential nominee

38 I feel the same way.

39 Oh, am I late?

40 Well... After perusing her article, and careful introspection, I've concluded that assuming Jill is not hideously deformed, obese, or aged... I'd hit it, preferably in the squeak hole. Oh, and her political ideas suck. But hopefully, so does she.

41 34 For a person who claims to be a "fiscal conservative"

Lots of people make that claim. Unfortunately, the rest of their ideology lists to the port side.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 24, 2010 07:10 PM (554T5)

Social liberalism eventually comes with a pricetag everytime.

42 Darn, out sockpuppet Leona!

43 Stupid asshole (or Bint if you assign sex to such titles).  So, if you don't look like a fuckin dweeb and have a bad hairdo in your highschool yearbook, you're a "tabloid model" now.  Funny, I thought Obamessiah was the model.

I concur with other commenters, this Democrap wouldn't have ever said a word for disliking Chocolate Jesus a month ago.  They're just mirroring the general dislike that's suddenly springing up across the country.  52%'er and one of the main reasons we're in this shithole now.  Thanks alot, Bint.  Fuck you very much.

44 Okay, I admit it.  I hate Palin because she's hotter than I am.  Are you satisfied?  I'm a troll.  My parents used to diaper the wrong end.  The doctor took one look at me and slapped my mother.  I'm a freelancer because my bosses won't let me come into the office.  They say I scare the other employees.  Barry made me feel safe and, I don't know, wanted.  When he talked about hope, it made me believe there really was hope for someone like me.  That maybe the way I look and smell isn't the end of the world.  More than that, I thought, hell, look at Michelle.  That bitch has a husband and she's a Klingon.  I don't have brow ridges, at least.  Anyhoo, I'm sorry I voted for Barry.  Maybe next time the Rethuglicans can run someone as ugly as me.  Maybe Michelle can convert.

45 Another Democrat to announce retirement

46 ASTROTURF!

47
btw, I didn't hear if John McCain had said anything about the Court's decision. Did he?

48 I was leaning toward McCain, but then Madonna let me know just how irresponsible electing Palin to the second highest office in the land would be.

49 48 Okay, I admit it. I hate Palin because she's hotter than I am because she can find a husband. Are you satisfied? I'm a troll. My parents used to diaper the wrong end. The doctor took one look at me and slapped my mother. I'm a freelancer because my bosses won't let me come into the office. They say I scare the other employees. Barry made me feel safe and, I don't know, wanted I was hoping for some groupie action. When he talked about hope, it made me believe there really was hope for someone like me. That maybe the way I look and smell isn't the end of the world. More than that, I thought, hell, look at Michelle. That bitch has a husband and she's a Klingon. I don't have brow ridges, at least. Anyhoo, I'm sorry I voted for Barry. Maybe next time the Rethuglicans can run someone as ugly as me. Maybe Michelle can convert.

FIFY

50 Del the last... apparently my /del fu is kraptastic.

51 Christ, Jill... you 'tarded whore. You couldn't see for a red second the Palin character assassination that was executed via ABC, CBS, and NBC? Nah, you're too busy wanting to feel "safe." You and the 52%. 

52

Dennis the Peasant for President

53 I am sure the author is a card carrying member of the Dick Cheney Fan Club!

54 33 You wanted a blank slate.

I originally read that as "black slate"  (raaaaacist, denouncing myself), which would also be correct.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 07:10 PM (OkT2m)

I read it the same way the first time.

55 Why do they keep on with the "palin is stupid" trend.  Once she disproves that with her stint on Fox news, what will they think up next?

56 I've seen more honest, soul-searching reflection in Tiger Beat.  Come to think of it, it's the same demographic.

57

>>  I didn't hear if John McCain had said anything about the Court's decision. Did he?

Yes, he did.

58 If Palin had come from CA or NY and was exactly the same as she is, would they still hate her? Well, probably, but I just don't get what about her the left (and some on the right) hate. Her hot husband? Good looking kids? Successful career and successful marriage? She's actually happy?

God knows libs don't like when people are actually happy.

59 Once she disproves that with her stint on Fox news, what will they think up next?

She'll never be able to disprove it for them. She'll eternally be known for Tina Fey's "I can see Russia from my house" line.

60 Thank Gaia that Russell Brand, Will Ferrell, Tina Fey, Matt Damon, and Katie Couric were there to show me how stupid voting for the Republicans would be.

61 All modern Bolsheviks pull out the "fiscal conservative" line. Whenever you hear some clown claim to be "fiscally conservative" it's a sure bet they have a closet full of Che t-shirts.

62
ahhh, thamks, Dave

McCain sounds like he doesn't give a shit. I was half-expecting he'd echo the sentiments of Schumer and Obama.

63 She talks about King Barry's history of money troubles. She doesn't mention that he and Worf lived way beyond their pay grades and somehow found a white knight to bail them out just as the repo men were showing up.

That's pretty much what he's doing with the budget

64 but I just don't get what about her the left (and some on the right) hate. Her hot husband? Good looking kids? Successful career and successful marriage? She's actually happy?


Yes.  Plus, she didn't ride the coat-tails of her father or husband to political influence, like Clinton, Pelosi, etc.

65 Wow.

Click through to the (long) comment section on the original article.

There are some flat-out bashing comments - but by far the majority are taking the time to explain why she's completely clueless.

66 59 Why do they keep on with the "palin is stupid" trend.  Once she disproves that with her stint on Fox news, what will they think up next?

Are you serious??? Anybody can use a TELEPROMPTER!

67 Social liberalism eventually comes with a pricetag everytime.

I'm generally socially liberal--but I firmly believe people should pay for their own crap. No welfare programs, no paying for drug rehab, etc. I don't care if people want to destroy their own lives as long as I don't have to pay for it.

I think that makes me a small "l" libertarian.

68 So when does OBumbles write "Why I regret scroggin the Chicken"?

69 God knows libs don't like when people are actually happy.

That is so fundamental when it comes to attempting to understand their thought process, or lack thereof.

70 I don't care if people want to destroy their own lives as long as I don't have to pay for it.

Trust me, you pay for that.

71 @52
I saw a headline at Hot Air along the lines of 'McCain says campaign finance reform is dead' but I honestly don't care what the man has to say beyond that.

72 Trust me, you pay for that.

Oh, as the system is right now, I know I do. But if I were Queen of the Universe, I wouldn't be.

73
Trust me, you pay for that.

I wish more people on our side understood this.

74 That "I was going to vote for McCain before he picked Palin" is basically a copy and paste from your run of the mill concern troll.

Yeh, we sure dodged a bullet with that Palin hick who had experience running a state, fighting entrenched interests in her own party and taking body blows from the DemSM and getting right back up to fight again.

She's wondering why an empty suit who never ran as much as a lemonade stand and comes unglued at any criticism isn't up to the job.

Maybe that's why her business went tits-up, she can't properly analyze what's going on in the real world, she just takes "conventional wisdom" at face value

75 Bush took a lot of folks off the tax rolls.  They are about to be added again.  Will be interesting to see them react.

76 @69 I read that earlier today and could not control the shit eatin grin on my face. They spanked her ass!!!

77 But if I were Queen of the Universe, I wouldn't be.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 07:32 PM (gofDd)

More gam pics.  We'll talk.

78 Jill's gotten nailed again and again by people telling her "IT'S A LITTLE FUCKING LATE NOW, BITCH!"

79 @62: I'm sure all that adds fuel to the hate fire, but the real driver of libreal Palin Dementia is pretty basic: they saw her give that speech at the Republican Convention, and realized this woman can WIN. They fear her. And fear always turns to hate.

80 62 If Palin had come from CA or NY and was exactly the same as she is, would they still hate her?

If she were a D and that were the only difference, she would be a media hero.  Her only sin is the R, even being pro-life would not be a disqualification.  She'd be a working-class feminist icon.

81 She's wondering why an empty suit who never ran as much as a lemonade stand and comes unglued at any criticism isn't up to the job.

Maybe that's why her business went tits-up, she can't properly analyze what's going on in the real world, she just takes "conventional wisdom" at face value

Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2010 07:34 PM (sYxEE)

Very good point!

82 Since the left is still hanging on to the Bush Did It theme (and since I'm still perusing Commonweath news pubs for interesting stuff), another thing folks should keep on their radar is the Spanish Inquisition Inquiry in Britain on that whole Iraq thing. Next up in the box is one former Prime Minister Blair.

If this goes well for the lefties, look for increased pressure on Obama to put Bush on trial.

83 Don't quote me on this, but keep f**king that chicken!

84
If people just took a minute to think about it, they'd realize that traditional American values and culture is the easiest on the tax-payer's wallet. In other words, it creates the least burden on taxpayers.

85
This fucking meme about how "I was before McCain until he picked that Palin bitch" is beyond old. The stupid author of this hit piece can't even come up with something new to slam Palin with?

86 @86 That shit will never fly here.

87
To put a finer point on it: Who ends up paying for people's stupid mistakes and irresponsible behavior and poor life-choices?

88 Bush took a lot of folks off the tax rolls.  They are about to be added again.

I'm all for tax cuts, but I think Bush made the mistake of taking too many people off the tax rolls. When you're not paying (federal income) taxes, you shouldn't have any say on how taxes are spent. Unfortunately, that's how non tax paying citizens get to vote themselves the treasury. Dems promise them the treasury and hike taxes on "the rich" as if it's a segment of the population with endless amounts of money. (Ok, so some of them are, but not enough to support 300 million people.)

I guess people being added again (and their reaction) is some silver lining.

89 Who ends up paying for people's stupid mistakes and irresponsible behavior and poor life-choices?

If you let them and their spawn die in the streets, the people being irresponsible.

Otherwise, everyone else.

90 @91: alas, we all do. We always have, even before any social programs ever existed.

91 I, and many others, have seen a great deal of change in the economy and how we are perceived abroad in the last year. And letÂ’s remember that being president is not an easy job and no matter your political persuasion, the office deserves our utmost respect and especially our deference to his decisions given that we canÂ’t all be privy to volume of information the president deals with every day.

92 Who ends up paying for people's stupid mistakes and irresponsible behavior and poor life-choices?

In an ideal world, no one but the person themselves. Since it's not an ideal world, and getting shoved towards a more socialist one, it gets foisted on the community.

93 Fuck you Ellie!!! ; )

94
Before John McCain unwittingly picked a tabloid-magazine cover girl for his running mate



Thats all I needed to read to know what the gist of her article was going to be. Her piece reads like it was written by one of those "Concerned Christian Conservatives".

95 Can anybody explain this to me, how can a person be fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

96
Remember all that worship to the vaunted single-mom bullshit started in the '90's like they were a special group of people like teachers and firefighters?

What a joke. The Left is brilliant at doing that shit, though.

97

I often define myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. ~Dorkson

 

Social Liberalism has ramping costs that destroy fiscal conservatism.  It's a match made in Hell, or at least in Retardville.  It's a conflict that is self-fucking and leads to a default Liberal position with no resolution resulting, in the end, to mental instability.

Grow up Dorkson.

98 I'm completely down on Sara since backing McCain. I'm backing Bachmann and DeMint and Sessions in whatever they do. McCain infuriates me.

99 29 Womens suffrage makes me suffer.

Opps. Except for the moronettes. They give me hope. Just wish their were like 149 million more of them.

Posted by: I Am Amish Jack at January 24, 2010 07:08 PM (IhHdM)

I'd also venture to say that Moronettes are fun to drink with, fun to be married to, have had numerous marriage proposals, are hands-down better looking that lib feminazis, always vote conservative and appreciate a level-headed Moron.  Thanks, Amish.

100

Is that really Ellie Light aka Cass Sunstein's wife Samantha Power posting on this thread?

101 Can anybody explain this to me, how can a person be fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

I don't care what you do as long as I don't have to pay for it. (This really only works in an ideal world.)

102
...it gets foisted on the community.

So there you go. Now you realize you have a vested interest in your fellow man to behave like a 'normal' person.

103 Voting for "hope" is the same as believing you can catch a cloud and hold it in your hand. These kinds of people should not be allowed to vote except for American Idol. She's getting what she voted for so I don't see she has any standing to complain. "Hope and change" is anything and nothing but she's only recently figured that out. Idiot.

104 30 a "president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first." Sounds a bit like Palin. Heh. Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 07:09 PM (OkT2m) Actually, it sounds exactly like the McCain/Palin team. Palin was running for VP against Joe Biden, for God's sake. This idiot probably still believes Biden is smarter and more competent than Palin.

105 Great article, Ms. Dorson.  I would like to subscribe to your newsletter and contribute an original letter to the editor.

106 95 I, and many others, have seen a great deal of change in the economy and how we are perceived abroad in the last year. And letÂ’s remember that being president is not an easy job and no matter your political persuasion, the office deserves our utmost respect and especially our deference to his decisions given that we canÂ’t all be privy to volume of information the president deals with every day.
If you're a sockpuppet, good job--sounds about right.   If you're not..   I, and many others, have seen a great deal of change in the economy and how we are perceived abroad in the last year.   Yeah.  They're bother several orders of magnitude worse.   And let's remember blah blah blah   The OFFICE deserves respect.  The guy in it only deserves respect if he does something to earn it.  See the difference?  (Probably not-- "Vive l'America; l'America, c'est moi.")

107 Womens suffrage makes me suffer.

Ann Coulter has suggested repealing the 19th Amendment for years.  She says removing the estrogen vote would let us straighten the country out in a generation.

She's right.  For far too many women, voting in national elections is the equivalent of "I'll root for the Vikings because their uniforms are cuter".

108 75 @52
I saw a headline at Hot Air along the lines of 'McCain says campaign finance reform is dead' but I honestly don't care what the man has to say beyond that.

Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2010 07:32 PM (Xsi7M)

The Republican Party will never be worth a shit as long as McCain is in the Senate. He is that toxic.

109 This chick should have her voting rights - and probably her ovaries - revoked.  Just sayin'.

110 Today I glanced at an article which shed tears all over Hillary as "the most unfairly demonized woman in American history."

Have we met?

111 I, and many others, have seen a great deal of change in the economy and how we are perceived abroad in the last year.

Thank you, Ellie. Finally, a voice of reason. I am so glad you voted for me, and I promise to fill your universe with rainbows and unicorns. By the way, have you filed your taxes yet, Ellie?

112 crawled out of her igloo?

She can say something idiotic like that about Palin, but wasn't smart enough to see Ayers, Wright, Acorn and BO's total lack of experience.  Dumbass.

113 Remember all that worship to the vaunted single-mom bullshit started in the '90's like they were a special group of people

Feminists did huge injury to women by deciding that "never-married baby mamas" and "widows with children" were morally equivalent.  I have sympathy for young women who were abandoned by the guy who knocked them up...once.  Serial illegitimate children with multiple men is simply not the same as losing a husband/father to illness or accident, but we treat it like it is.

114 WTR  Speller @110 had my same exact thoughts. I was wondering if anybody saw the ignorance in that. They both oppose each other.

115 @103: hear, hear!, moronette. Moronettes are Americans, not "citizens of the world." Americans are known the world over for how sexy they are. The world aspires to be like them, it always has.

116
He [McCain] is that toxic.

I'm afraid he already has his poisonous tentacles wrapped around Scott Brown.

117 Now you realize you have a vested interest in your fellow man to behave like a 'normal' person.

To a degree, sure. But I don't like nanny staters on the left or the right. I don't like the anti-trans fats laws, the anti-smoking laws, the seat belt laws and helmet laws. Teach people to be responsible, but it's not always going to stick. There will always be alkies and druggies and criminals. But there has to be a point where you employ some tough love and stop paying for them.

118

Hey Ellie, got any good lottery picks? Anyone who is lucky enough to get their letter posted in the editorial section of over fifty different publications nationwide in only a matter of days should have some awesome lottery picks.

119 Patterico has found 4 more "ellie lights" using different names, same letter.

120 Ann Coulter has suggested repealing the 19th Amendment for years.  She says removing the estrogen vote would let us straighten the country out in a generation.

She's right.  For far too many women, voting in national elections is the equivalent of "I'll root for the Vikings because their uniforms are cuter".

Nah, there are too many beta male sissy boys nowadays.

What would REALLY help would be raising the age requirement to at least 21, ideally as high as 30 given the sickening amount of entitled "professional student" twerps. Too few people with actual skin in the game are voting. Obviously, an exception could and should be made for those in service.

121 As a lifelong Republican, I heartily agree with this article.

122 @123 You call!!!

123 I think that Todd Palin is part native Alaskan, was the climbing out of an igloo statement some kind of Racial SLUR.

124 Feminists did huge injury to women by deciding that "never-married baby mamas" and "widows with children" were morally equivalent.

That's because for many of them, the women's movement was about irresponsibility and childish narcissism, not anyone's rights

125 What would REALLY help would be raising the age requirement to at least 21, ideally as high as 30 given the sickening amount of entitled "professional student" twerps. Too few people with actual skin in the game are voting. Obviously, an exception could and should be made for those in service.

I would actually change it to only people who pay property taxes and/or federal income taxes. Also, they should be made to take a poll test of sorts every presidential election year. It would essentially be the US citizenship test.

126 This is my favorite picture of Ellie Light

127 The comments section over there is a thing of beauty.

128 The Republican Party will never be worth a shit as long as McCain is in the Senate. He is that toxic. Posted by: TexasJew at January 24, 2010 07:46 PM (dcKUM) eyeroll

129 I meant @101. This damn dyslexia!!!

130 Let me get this straight.

Some imbecilic lemming bint named Jill Dorson bought a bag full of Hope and Change seeds, planted them as directed, fertilized them religiously with copious amounts of delusion and irrationality, and now she's surprised she's harvesting a bumper crop of despair and pain?

131

Dear Ms. Dorson,

I've noticed you swallow things really easily. 

Can I buy you a drink?

132 Contrary to rumor, I am NOT Sharmuta of LGF

133
Feminists did huge injury to women by deciding that "never-married baby mamas" and "widows with children" were morally equivalent.

I saw it as a clever ploy by the commies on the Left to silence the Church. It became un-PC to tell women (young girls, actually) to not have kids out of wedlock.

134 I would actually change it to only people who pay property taxes and/or federal income taxes.

Exceptions granted for military and honorably discharged vets, if necessary, otherwise right on.

135 95 I, and many others, have seen a great deal of change in the economy and how we are perceived abroad in the last year. And letÂ’s remember that being president is not an easy job and no matter your political persuasion, the office deserves our utmost respect and especially our deference to his decisions given that we canÂ’t all be privy to volume of information the president deals with every day.

Posted by: Ellie Light at January 24, 2010 07:40 PM (4L/Vr)

I seriously hope this is a troll, and if so, go fuck yourself you worthless scrunt.

136 @131 It just keeps going. And going. And the number of people that are slightly off the 'educate Jill' meme still point out what a snake oil salesman Obama is.

137
eyeroll

aww damn, now I'm in the mood for chink food

138
Patterico has found 4 more "ellie lights" using different names, same letter.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 24, 2010 07:50 PM (DIYmd)

Someone name piperbaye posting over on Patterico and on The Plain-Dealer site said that she's thinks it may have something to do with Samantha Power. An Ellie also meaning "light" is a literary award that Samantha Power won in 2005 for her coverage of Darfur. Not to mention she worked for Obama until she was forced to resign over remarks about Hillary and her flaming anti-semitism.

139 Why does nobody state the obvious?  Palin was the vice presidential candidate.  Biden makes her seem like Einstein. 

140 I would actually change it to only people who pay property taxes and/or federal income taxes. Also, they should be made to take a poll test of sorts every presidential election year. It would essentially be the US citizenship test.

You mean as the Founders essentially intended?

141 This is another reason I refuse to endorse chasing the indie vote.  Sure, we may not get elected without them from time to time, but I'd much rather win/lose with conservative principles intact that to purposefully align with such political emptiness and then be held to whatever campaign promises it took to get them in the first place.

Let's face it, after every election, those in the middle are going to be distracted by the first shiny object they see. 

142 It became un-PC to tell women (young girls, actually) to not have kids out of wedlock.

Yeah.  If you're asking 23-year-old dropouts with five kids with daddies in prison to please stop already, you're opressing their right to free sexual expression (and probably a racist).  When you tell married white women with one child they shouldn't be allowed to have a second because they're destroying the planet, you're on the side of social justice.

I hate the Left.

143 @137: I'm sick to death of unmarried Hollywood actresses proudly proclaiming their pregnancies, even posing at 8 months for revealing photos. What the hell is the matter with these bimbos, and what kind of Moms can they possibly make?

144 Just more lies and insanity from the Left. They know November is going to hurt. Chicken meets pineapple hurt.

145

O/T  Prez With Biggest Brain Evah Uses TelePromptR to talk to 6th graders.

http://tinyurl.com/y9ffk23

 

146 I saw it as a clever ploy by the commies on the Left to silence the Church. It became un-PC to tell women (young girls, actually) to not have kids out of wedlock.

My moonbat ex read the single mom book and got into her head that she wanted, needed to raise a child on her own (since her college education learned her real good what an outdated and silly concept marriage was). She assured me that my continued presence wouldn't be necessary and that she wouldn't pursue any financial obligations from me. So sad...

147 Yeah.  If you're asking 23-year-old dropouts with five kids with daddies in prison to please stop already, you're opressing their right to free sexual expression (and probably a racist).

Hey, as Chris Rock says to these women....."Put the dick down.... put the dick down and walk away.."

148

Voting for "hope" is the same as believing you can catch a cloud and hold it in your hand.

We catch Obama's farts. Is that the same thing?

149 Idiot dunce votes for empty suit over more qualified Presidential (and vice-presidential) candidate, then blames everybody else for her stupidity.  Man up, you cow, and take responsibility for your own incompetence.

She blames McCain for picking Palin--without her, he would've lost by 12 points.  He blames McCain for other shit that I don't think meant a fucking thing.  This woman is a bubble-headed twit that waits for Chris Matthews and the Dem-licking media to give her her opinion when, if she had a nickel's worth of sense and one-tenth the intelligence she ascribes to herself she would have seen that this unqualified speech-reader from a corrupt political machine was both radical and of no proven competence.

SHE VOTED FOR OBAMA, BUT PALIN'S THE IDIOT?

150 Exceptions granted for military and honorably discharged vets, if necessary, otherwise right on.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 07:55 PM (OkT2m)

Of course. Military exemptions are a given. I support lowering the drinking age for currently serving members. Old enough to vote, old enough to die for the country, but not old enough to drink? WTF?

151 CoolCzec--they can afford to pay someone to change diapers while they're out clubbing (hell, they can afford diapers).  The teenagers who emulate them, OTOH...

Theodore Dalrymple has written at length about how rich people can be amoral without suffering consequences, but the average person who acts as they do is fucked.

152

@150

I hope to God you said no.

153

Well, all of those being said about the 'stupid bitch' is true.

However, there is no denying her vote is just as valid as yours and mine.

The point is not to be little the poor soul, but to change her way of 'thinking'.  Or just make sure she starts 'thinking'.

154 I don't suppose sex education can't just be "keep your damned legs closed until you're married and have a job."

155
the hypocrisy is astounding, isn't it?

speaking of hypocrisy...I was listening to Stephanie Miller on the radio last Friday and I shit you not right after she had on Elliot Spitzer as a guest, she was snarking about Scott Brown's Cosmo pics like he was a gigolo and how Scott was 'putting his daughters on the market to the highest bidder.'

I have no doubt whatsoever Elliot Spitzer & John Edwards will be speakers at the 2012 DNC convention.

156 The left made Palin into a tabloid model and then ripped her for being a tabloid model.  And it worked.

157

Social liberalism eventually comes with a pricetag everytime.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 24, 2010 07:15 PM (Vo2Ef) 

Um, dude I don't know, uh, what you are saying. Its like important, uh, we don't let the, uh, religious NAZIs like take, uh, our rights away n' stuff.  But, uh, I am still like a moderate, you know? Cause like I'm not a Democrat just cause I voted for, uh, Bam, and Clifford, n' those guys.

Oh, and dude, like, we also need to like, save the Earth, so, like capitalism should, uh, be like outlawed. Yeah, uh George Jefferson grew, uh, hemp. We should, uh, do that instead.

158
...but George Bush won't be invited to attend the RNC 2012 convention

159 Hm.  The comments on that thread on RCP are quite interesting.  If our Jilly thought she was going to make friends, she thought wrong.  Some strong words over there...

160 Why couldn't the GOP come to me like a fucking man and tell me not to vote for the imbecile that wanted destroy the country?

161 My moonbat ex read the single mom book and got into her head that she wanted, needed to raise a child on her own (since her college education learned her real good what an outdated and silly concept marriage was).

Don't tell me.... her college major had "Studies" in the title?  I'm assuming "Womyn's".   Ombudsman's Law:   Any college major with "Studies" in the title is bullshit political indoctrination disguised as education

162 132 The Republican Party will never be worth a shit as long as McCain is in the Senate. He is that toxic.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 24, 2010 07:46 PM (dcKUM)

eyeroll

Posted by: ingrid newkirk at January 24, 2010 07:53 PM (Dz//m)

Well, prove me wrong, genius. You know you can't.

163 ...but George Bush won't be invited to attend the RNC 2012 convention

Gonna be hard to attend when he's rotting in prison for war crimes. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

164 I'm still mildly...intrigued?  entertained?  And disgusted....that this leftie scrunt gets to use an Inuit reference as a slur. 

165 ""Before John McCain unwittingly picked a tabloid-magazine cover girl for his running mate""


Well lets see now, when McCain picked Palin she WAS a governor, THEN the ass sucking left MADE her a frigging tabloid magazine cover girl.

The average lib is so stupid I'm surprised they don;t fall through their ass and choke themselves to death.

166 If I'd been around in 1919, I'd have been campaigning against women's suffrage, ftr.

167 The left made Palin into a tabloid model and then ripped her for being a tabloid model.  And it worked.

Posted by: kefka at January 24, 2010 08:03 PM (n1uMU)

Hey, people have to know what they are not allowed to do. That damn snowbilly almost beat us.

168 Don't tell me.... her college major had "Studies" in the title?  I'm assuming "Womyn's".   Ombudsman's Law:   Any college major with "Studies" in the title is bullshit political indoctrination disguised as education

No actually it was a hard science from a prestigious university down here (rhymes with nice). She's a brilliant young woman, but like most leftists insists on outsourcing her thinking on most matters.

169 If I'd been around in 1919, I'd have been campaigning against women's suffrage, ftr.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:07 PM (gofDd)

The problem with our current political structure is that we let anyone vote, whether or not they have a clue what they are voting on or whether they have any stake in our society.

It is absolutely insane that someone on the government dole can vote for a larger handout.

170
For a while, starting in the '90s, it was the thing to do for women on primetime tv to have babies without daddies. They were treated like heroins, like they were doing their country a service, or being like an Olympian athlete by having these babies.

171 If I'd been around in 1919, I'd have been campaigning against women's suffrage, ftr.

Not me.  Having a clue does not depend on what's between your legs.  There are a lot of stupid, lazy, welfare-collecting men, too--why should they have more power than you and me?

172

Wherestherum, eighteen year olds used to be able to drink.  They changed it for a good reason-- Packs of junior soldiers, sailors and Marines with a bucket of the bad stuff in them are like wolves in a fucking kindergarten.  Assaults, destroyed property, fighting MP's, smashing up the barracks, and oh my God, fighting Every.  One.  In.  Sight. 

I say that, having been one of said jackals, BTW. 

173

a prestigious university down here (rhymes with nice)

Rutgers?

I once banged a girl from Rutgers. What was her name again? C'mon, joe, think!

174 Not me.  Having a clue does not depend on what's between your legs.  There are a lot of stupid, lazy, welfare-collecting men, too--why should they have more power than you and me?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 08:11 PM (OkT2m)

Preach it sister.

175 No actually it was a hard science from a prestigious university down here (rhymes with nice). She's a brilliant young woman, but like most leftists insists on outsourcing her thinking on most matters.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 24, 2010 08:08 PM (qyKoF)

The group think aspect of the modern Left might be their most disturbing characteristic. They really are just looking for the right master to kneel too. 

Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. --Sallust

176 "But I believed that Obama would try to level the playing field between big business and small, between thieves and honest business people, between greed and moderation. Instead, he bailed out the most wicked and left the rest of us fail."
Translation: I'm not dumb, gullible and a poor business person, I'm a victim. 
"My small company got thrown under the bus and my savings were ravaged - perhaps Wall Street is using them for bonuses this year."
What?
"I often define myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal."
And I often define myself as Brad Pitt's better looking younger brother.   So?

177

Why couldn't Fred come to Wilma like a freakin' man and tell her he was a lazy lout who wanted to sneak out for a smoke with Barney?  FTR, Wilma and Betty come across as the brainier voters in this one.

http://tinyurl.com/yc6o2xk

 

178
it all started with Dan Quayle and Mouthy Brown

Quayle said the right thing and the Leftists crucified him for being judgmental and out-of-touch and sexist.

179 Single mothers are very useful to the left. It's hard to make it as a single mom, and they are very vulnerable to promises of government help. Government grows as the dependence class grows.

180 It is absolutely insane that someone on the government dole can vote for a larger handout.

And be pandered to by political elites whose goal is to retain their jobs.  We're getting perilously close to a situation where 50% produces and 50% consumes.   He who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

181 Well lets see now, when McCain picked Palin she WAS a governor, THEN the ass sucking left MADE her a frigging tabloid magazine cover girl.

The average lib is so stupid I'm surprised they don;t fall through their ass and choke themselves to death.

Posted by: Berserker at January 24, 2010 08:06 PM (gWHrG)

Uh, like, McCain should have chosen, uh, someone serious, with experience, in like high levels of government. Can you imagine, uh, someone like Palin being President if like McCain had died? 

She, uh, thinks there are 57 states man!

182 As pointed out on Redstate: Her first impression ofo GWB was incorrect, her first impression of President Prime Time was wrong, follow the logic--follow--her first impression of Palin is .....

183 There are a lot of stupid, lazy, welfare-collecting men, too--why should they have more power than you and me?

Actually, what I really don't understand is why the women's vote needed it's own amendment. The 14th amendment allowed everyone to vote. Except women. Why?

And yeah, I know it really comes down to being informed than to gender.

184
yep, and the Left loves the poor blacks in the cities

185

Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond "LOL she's a dumbass"?

186 This could potentially piss people off but if you are a single mom and your husband isn't dead you have made a bad decision along the way. You might just be stupid if you chose single motherhood. Now, as a culture we consider them victims because why? Poor knee control?

187 She, uh, thinks there are 57 states man!

Um, I do believe that was the Anointed One

188 Can someone definite socially liberal for me? I'm curious to know what your definitions of what being socially liberal are.

189

 I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.

Feminists think that women who actually use their uteruses are stupid.

190 http://bit.ly/8fwRMN

Another lefty tantrum.

Entertaining, yet blood-boiling at the same time.

191 189 She scared the crap out of them. She was perfect so they had to isolate and destroy. Still doing it.

192 Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond "LOL she's a dumbass"?

She's Republican, therefore inherently racist, sexist, homophobic and hypocritical. Duh.

193

Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond "LOL she's a dumbass"?

Posted by: Secundus at January 24, 2010 08:18 PM (+EvNy)

The critiques I saw beyond, "she's a dumbass" (because of things Tina Fey said, naturally):

She is religious

She gave birth to a disabled child, and has too many children

She isn't an intellectual

194

#193

Gay marraige and legal pot

195

Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond "LOL she's a dumbass"?

Posted by: Secundus at January 24, 2010 08:18 PM (+EvNy)

I would wager that most of the libs can't answer that either, they were just following the herd.

196 She, uh, thinks there are 57 states man!

Um, I do believe that was the Anointed One

Unless, of course, my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning.  In that case, carry on

197  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.

She had a career--a good one, not just teaching Germaine Greer to kids who couldn't care less at a fourth-tier school somewhere--and a family.

198 Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond "LOL she's a dumbass"?

She energized the base in a very big way.  That scared the crap out of them and, if it hadn't been for that "sky is falling" financial bullshit that no one will ever get the details on, McCain could have won with her on the ticket.  Anything after that is just an attempt to justify their visceral revulsion.

199
Just think about everything you love about Sarah Palin...

they think they opposite.

200 She, uh, thinks there are 57 states man!

Um, I do believe that was the Anointed One

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 24, 2010 08:20 PM (y4B2y)

Indeed.

After the election, they did some polling of Obama voters. As is now common knowledge, most of them thought the Republicans controlled congress in 2006-8. One of the other snippets they found is that a plurality of them attributed Obama and Biden's stupid comments to Palin.

201 They think they are social liberals when they have no morals, ie. pro-choice (infantiside as convenient), pro-gay marriage, pro-teen sex, pro-porn in the library, pro-teaching Kindergardeners fisting, etc. They think they are hip but in reality they are god-less pervs. The social liberal/fiscal conservative is  the worst animal because they don't have the "I care more" meme to hide behind.

202 This woman is an argument against women's suffrage. I'm a woman, so I think I'm at least in a position where I can say that.

So she isn't sorry for the rest of us that she voted for Obama; only herself. Well, lady, we have to live with the results of your vote and the votes of a lot of other people who didn't bother to look beyond the glittering rhetoric and sweeping generalities.

I knew within a very short time after he entered the presidential race that Obama was bad news. He scared the daylights out of me. The writer admits she misjudged Obama and Bush initially, but she still trashes Palin. The fact is, Palin was the only candidate in that group who had any executive experience at all, but our writer here didn't have a clue. And now she wants someone else to do the job of finding an acceptable candidate. How about you, dear? Your lack of responsibility helped get us into this mess, thank you very much.

If the country survives this presidency, do us all a favor next time. Don't vote.

203 Social lib in my mind = pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro welfare, etc etc etc...so it never made much since in my mind how you can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, since most of those social issues revolve around entitlements that, uh, cost money.

204 Can someone definite socially liberal for me?

To me it means making citizen-government the most important relationship in everyone's life.

205

Ellie Light's English cousin shows up in the UK in a "spontaneous" AGW letter-writing campaign to Conservative MPs.

206 Tried looking for Coulter's article re repealing the 19th amendment. Um, does anyone know where it was first posted? Bing and Google just give me liberal forums.

207 Tried looking for Coulter's article re repealing the 19th amendment. Um, does anyone know where it was first posted? Bing and Google just give me liberal forums.

I heard her discuss it on Red Eye

208 "Spontaneous" I do not think it means what they think it means

209

Living in a small town, as I have most of my life, going on fifty years now,(scary)!  I have learned to live within my means. Small Towns dont pay squat. In the Old Days, it was better paying, what with lumber mills rockin rollin, the industries that supported the mills.. loggers, trucking, trains, etc. All Gone Now.

Town has shrunk population wise, and, like some have said, all on purpose. I really believe that. To see the current events now backs up this meme.

My Point. I think, is there are a Lot of folks living in a low income situation not chosen by them, Well by not choosing to move to a city somewhere. Screw the cities.  I guess what im saying is;  There are alot of conservatives living in smaller, run down towns, who remember what it was like. We miss it.

Reading some commenters here reminds me of the Upper Crust dudes educated on Mary Jane. Piss Pore Road To Go Down.   Lets save the owl.

210
you're absolutely right

social liberalism = big govt programs and big govt nanny-statism

therefore, social liberalism ≠ fiscal conservatism

211

Well, I guess I got my question answered.  Thank you, all.

There's no hate like liberal tolerance.

212 Can someone definite socially liberal for me? I'm curious to know what your definitions of what being socially liberal are.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:20 PM (gofDd)

1) Opposes any restrictions on abortion, and believes it should be publicly funded. Medical professionals should be forced to participate. The right to have children should be restricted.

2) Favors gay marriage.

3) Wants to criminalize 'hate' speech and marginalize/ban religious speech.

4) Only regulated individuals should have guns: police, high profile bodyguards, etc

5) Believes that government schools should be in the business of re-educating students to make sure they don't think like their parents.

213 AC That was a pretty good headline "Ellie does England"

214 114 Today I glanced at an article which shed tears all over Hillary as "the most unfairly demonized woman in American history."

Have we met?

Posted by: Palin at January 24, 2010 07:47 PM (kmgIE)

SERIOUSLY.

215

Most women are stupid. Hate to say it but it's true.

I once told a group of women that Chelsea looked like Webb Hubble and they thought I was talking about the telescope....

216 Ok, so can someone define small "L" libertarianism?

I'm genuinely curious. I don't believe in gay marriage or welfare or entitlements,  I think there should be some restrictions on abortion and legalizing certain kinds of drugs. I'm all for tax cuts, smaller government, pro 2nd amendment, etc.

Oh, boy, I'm going to get flamed.

217

I once told a group of women that Chelsea looked like Webb Hubble and they thought I was talking about the telescope....

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2010 08:31 PM (8PzSd)

I bet they all know what Halliburton is though...

218
Isn't funny how the 'socially liberal' lefties have no problem with banning smoking and telling people what they can and cannot say (or even think, e.g., hate crime laws)?

219 211 Tried looking for Coulter's article re repealing the 19th amendment. Um, does anyone know where it was first posted? Bing and Google just give me liberal forums.

Check the archive at Ann Coulter dot com, has all her columns going back to 2004. It might have been a chapter in one of her books or a zinger she said on tv.

220

Ok, so can someone define small "L" libertarianism?

Makes sense in theory but in reality you get Ron Paul and Lydon LaRouche.

221

I don't know if Tim Blair writes his own headlines for his MSM blog, I think he does, but if it was someone else at the newspaper, yeah, he/she made a good one, Tipsy.

222 Here's a fun-for-the-whole-family visual depicting the massive job loss in the country.  Click the play button and weep.

223 Ok, so can someone define small "L" libertarianism?

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:31 PM (gofDd)

Belief that the government should provide a "watchman state" and nothing more.

No welfare, no affirmative action, no gun control, low taxes, police focus is on violent and property crime, etc.

Libertarian stands are fairly close to the right's. Which makes sense as the two political philosophies that are country were built on are what we would today call conservatism and libertarianism.

224

I bet they all know what Halliburton is though...

Nope. They know it is a bad bad thing, perhaps a company, who wants blood for oil, and is connected to horrible illegal scandals involving Cheney and Bush. That's all they know. Nothing else. Nada.

225

Isn't funny how the 'socially liberal' lefties have no problem with banning smoking and telling people what they can and cannot say (or even think, e.g., hate crime laws)?

Of course they have no problem with it-- their entire philosophy is based on laziness, envy, and love of power.

226 Coulter's archive is not searchable, but it here's an interview about her book where she addresses that.

227 bet they all know what Halliburton is though...

You mean the company hired by the Clinton administration in 1998 in a 10-year, no bid contract?   The company whose KBR subsidiary was the only company qualified to provide satisfactory logistical support to our soldiers, allowing more of them to, you know, soldier?

228 @217, that's a pretty good list.  You didn't explicitly mention sex, but the "social liberals" of my acquaintance insist that conservatives want to throw people in jail for having sex outside of het marriages...a good social liberal thinks sex should be anytime, anywhere, with anyone, and if you don't want it taught to kindergarteners you're a prude.

Also, they want draconian/totalitarian laws to "Save teh Planet."  While they respect your right to fuck everything that moves, they also insist the government be allowed to dictate what type and size of lightbulbs go in my bedside lamp.  For "the environment." 

229 Isn't funny how the 'socially liberal' lefties have no problem with banning smoking and telling people what they can and cannot say (or even think, e.g., hate crime laws)?

Posted by: This is boner at January 24, 2010 08:32 PM (GRgk4)

Hey, do you really expect us to tolerate those we deem intolerant? Freedom doesn't include anything I might call hateful, mean, or wrong.

230
libertarianism: for small govt and not giving a shit about what other people do

the problem with libertarianism is that you need to keep a leash on people or else you'll become their slaves. You can't just let the Left do what they want with our society.

231

100- Killin' babies.

 

232 You mean the company hired by the Clinton administration in 1998 in a 10-year, no bid contract?   The company whose KBR subsidiary was the only company qualified to provide satisfactory logistical support to our soldiers, allowing more of them to, you know, soldier?

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 24, 2010 08:36 PM (y4B2y)

Uh, dude, uh, like Cheney, uh, owns Halliburton. Uh, no way Clinton, uh, would have worked, uh with those guys. He was like, honest, and for the little guy.

233 Libertarian stands are fairly close to the right's.

Most of the "live and let live" of the libertarian stuff only works if most people live morally/conservatively.  Example, decriminalizing marijuana.  If a few people use recreationally on their days off, society will be OK; if everyone's perpetually stoned, we're in trouble.

234 Thanks, Peaches. I'm looking through her archives, but not finding anything.

Hmm. I guess I'm not socially liberal. I'm a small "L" libertarian.

235
Also, they want draconian/totalitarian laws to "Save teh Planet."  While they respect your right to fuck everything that moves, they also insist the government be allowed to dictate what type and size of lightbulbs go in my bedside lamp.  For "the environment." 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 08:36 PM (OkT2m)

Is environmentalism a social or economic issue? They want your money, and to restrict how you live your life...

I don't really like the social/economic breakdown anyway though as I think it clouds the real debate.  

I do love liberals who support draconian environmental laws in one breathe and then claim that the government should not restrict abortion because you "the government doesn't have the right to tell you how to live your life."

236

232 I know what it is and that no other company even offers the same kind of services as Halliburton which is one reason they get the contract.

Going back to 2004, I was asked if I was going to vote for Bush again. I said, yes--that was met by a gasp--"after all the scandals?" "What scandals I replied?" "You know, Halliburton." "What did Halliburton do?" I asked. You know. "No, no I don't, please enlighten me." (This is one of my favorite games)

They can't answer and look like fools but don't seem to get it anyway.

My top all time favorite is to start a discussion with libs about Bush v. Gore. Let them talk and then ask them specific questions about the opinion-which they didn't read.

A sick hobby but rewarding...

237

239

Or you could just be a "Screw labels, this is who I am and this is what I think."

238 One of the other snippets they found is that a plurality of them attributed Obama and Biden's stupid comments to Palin.

Remember when someone put a passage from a book and loads of people thought "heh, that Palin is soooo stoopid!!"

Until they found the passage was from "Dreams From My Father"

239 The social liberal/fiscal conservative is a communist who thinks their money is worth more than others.

240 Or you could just be a "Screw labels, this is who I am and this is what I think."

I was cringing in expectation of getting flamed like I would have been at HA.

241 Is environmentalism a social or economic issue? They want your money, and to restrict how you live your life...

Yeah, they're kind of entwined.  Fluorescent bulbs trigger my migraines, though, and when I'm dizzy, puking, and in excruciating pain can't fuck everything that moves, so they definitely violate my right of sexual expression.

Keep your laws off my body, assholes.

242 Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2010 08:45 PM (sYxEE)

Was it Howard Stern that sent out one of his minions and attribute all of McCain's campaign stances to Obama and all the black people interviewed said they agreed? And the reporter guy also asked if they like Obama's running mate Sarah Palin and they thought she was great?

243

My top all time favorite is to start a discussion with libs about Bush v. Gore. Let them talk and then ask them specific questions about the opinion-which they didn't read.

A sick hobby but rewarding...

Good lord, do you also enjoy banging your head against the wall?

244

Oh, boy, I'm going to get flamed.

There is nothing wrong with being a libertarian in theory.  Garry Johnson may be running for president and I think he's great.  Watch the problems that are created; 1. selling it and, 2 How do you implement it without, 3. the immediate chaos that ensues with the underclasses new "unlimited freedom". without 4. A moral society to prevent 3 and 4..

Please respond

245 Rum, I could be wrong but my understanding of libertarianism is that it also embraces an isolationist policy, which imo is not sustainable in today's world.

246 Most of the "live and let live" of the libertarian stuff only works if most people live morally/conservatively.  Example, decriminalizing marijuana.  If a few people use recreationally on their days off, society will be OK; if everyone's perpetually stoned, we're in trouble.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2010 08:39 PM (OkT2m)

We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our Constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. --John Adams

247

246

So much nervousness... Anyone would think we were a bunch of Val-U-Rite drinking, hobo-hunting wierdos who dip out nuts in pudding or something!

Wait...

248 Whoever posted that the real reason the left hates Palin is bc after her speech at the RNC they realized she can win is dead on. It's not just the fear that some Repub can oust their liberal poster boy but that it's Palin who can do it. This fairly young, experienced executive who's got brass ovaries to take on her own party when they're being dickheads. God help those who aren't on her side. They saw the crowds on her book tour. What VP candidate on a losing ticket still has that sway a year after an election? And these fuckers still think she can't win over voters? Cause if thay dd thay wouldn't be hitting her so hard. Well, piss on this author. If Palin ever becomes President I have a big ol' wad of chew to spit this author's eye. Courtesy of Pres. Palin.

249 Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 07:38 PM (gofDd)

You know I have a friend who just lost her job.  She has been thinking about starting a small business for years.  Our friend told her she can get a grant casue she is a woman.  So after three weeks of trying she came back to us all saying, "no one can get a grant, who are they giving this money too if not to someone like me who just lost their job and is trying to keep their house?"

250 248 If you are forced to talk to them at Christmas and Thanksgiving you have to have a backup plan for your own amusement.

251 My top all time favorite is to start a discussion with libs about Bush v. Gore. Let them talk and then ask them specific questions about the opinion-which they didn't read.

Besides, to libs, feelings trump facts every time

252 Heather, those CF bulbs just plain suck.  They will pry my incandescents from my cold dead fingers.  It's just BAD light.

253 WTR Yes it was Howard Stern

254 I was cringing in expectation of getting flamed like I would have been at HA.

Why? Nothing you espoused was either unreasonable, nor inflammatory. Seems to me your core values are basically sound, and that you have a good head on your shoulders. Certainly nothing to flame there.

255 Posted by: mghorning at January 24, 2010 08:47 PM (Q4Edg)

Before the 60s, I think it would have been more of a possibility. And it was almost assuredly even more libertarian than today's society. The thing about libertarianism is that it also promotes self-responsibility. You can't have libertarianism without that. Since no one cares about personal accountability anymore, there's no hope of having that kind of rule as a whole.

I don't think there's a way to erase the entitlement mentality without taking away the entitlements as a whole. Which will never happen.

256 Remember when someone put a passage from a book and loads of people thought "heh, that Palin is soooo stoopid!!"

Until they found the passage was from "Dreams From My Father"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2010 08:45 PM (sYxEE)

One of my favorite activities of the 2008 election was pointing out that apparently the thought that the President might have used cocaine bothered Lerfties so much that they went out and chose a cokehead to represent them.

257 Hmm. I guess I'm not socially liberal. I'm a small "L" libertarian.

Can't tell for sure, but from your previous posts, I would have guessed a federalist.

258 They will pry my incandescents from my cold dead fingers.

I'm right with you. Sometimes it's the smaller violations of personal liberty perpetrated by these fuckin' busybodies that pisses me off the most.

259 What VP candidate on a losing ticket still has that sway a year after an election?

I got to be Treasury Secretary.  Well, eventually.

260 Why can't you all just stop looking at my chest long enough to credit me with being an author. I mean Real Clear Politics published me...and everything!

261 Ooops. Sock off.

262
I don't think there's a way to erase the entitlement mentality without taking away the entitlements as a whole. Which will never happen.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:51 PM (gofDd)

I would actually argue that entitlements as we now know them will go away at some point. Now whether it will be because conservatives and libertarians convince people that the government shouldn't be in the business of bread and circuses, or whether they will go away because the national socialists will no longer need to buy the votes of the dependent class is an open question.

263 Peaches, yeah, I'm not down with libertarian foreign policy. That's unsustainable and unrealistic. I was thinking more fiscally.

264 I hate it when I leave my President Toonces sock on for too long. It starts getting dank and moldy.

265 There. That's much better.

266 I think most conservatives are libertarian in many ways, but understand that a pure libertarian society is an unattainable utopia, hence the 'ordered liberty' that the founders designed.

267 The comments at RCP are merciless. Ripping a new one doesn't even get close. Awesome.

268 Can't tell for sure, but from your previous posts, I would have guessed a federalist.

I would agree with that.

269 I'm not down with libertarian foreign policy . . . I was thinking more fiscally.

Fiscally and socially, I am 100% in line with libertarianism.  Ah, shit, I've gotta go back to the football game.

270 I don't think there's a way to erase the entitlement mentality without taking away the entitlements as a whole. Which will never happen.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:51 PM (gofDd)

You know, I sometimes fantasize about President Palin making a speech early after her inauguration, saying that we're done, flat broke, busted.  Entitlements are no more.  We either have to pull ourselves out of this mess or cease being a country.  (The libs would probably vote for the latter as long as they could keep somehow getting bennies.) 

We're going to start over again, and it's going to be every man for himself.  The govt is through paying for you.  We'll go back to relying on family, friends, churches and charity. 

271 Peaches, yeah, I'm not down with libertarian foreign policy. That's unsustainable and unrealistic. I was thinking more fiscally.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 08:54 PM (gofDd)

Well...I'm not sure that what passes for 'libertarian foreign policy' really is. Look at Thomas Jefferson, for example, who is often held up as seminal libertarian thinker. His war against the Barbary pirates was a lot more George Bush and a lot less Ron Paul...

272 Now whether it will be because conservatives and libertarians convince people that the government shouldn't be in the business of bread and circuses, or whether they will go away because the national socialists will no longer need to buy the votes of the dependent class is an open question.

Hmm. I'm inclined to go with the latter out of pure cynicism. The government has long stopped being what the Founding Fathers envisioned it to be. It didn't start with teh Won (arguably it started with FDR) and it won't end with him.

273

I don't think there's a way to erase the entitlement mentality without taking away the entitlements as a whole. Which will never happen.

See how you answered your own question there. I do/did not disagree with you view or your answer.

274

Ombudsman, I spent a week back in Chicago last summer.  And, walking through Lincoln Square, I get buttonholed by a couple of earnest, attractive, and extremely stupid coeds ("Do you have a minute for the environment?").  But I'm feeling froggy, so I tell them I do contract work for oil companies ("So, um, how do you, like, feel about that?" was the response) and listen to their line of bullshit.  It was the usual--His Divine Majesty the God-Emperor of Mankind is going to create "millions of green jobs" but bad old Big Oil (which was capitalized in their pamphlet, BTW) is standing in the way, and we need alternative energy sources.

So what are you talking about?  Corn ethanol?  Biodiesel?  Wind power?  Run everybody's car on Bacardi?

"Well, um, we don't have one picked out right now..."  They DIDN'T HAVE A FREAKING CLUE.  It was awesome.  Hook, line, sinker, no thought required or desired.

What a pity.  What a waste.  One of them was freaking hot, too.

275 It didn't start with teh Won (arguably it started with FDR) and it won't end with him.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 09:00 PM (gofDd)

Even farther back - Woodrow Wilson. Have you read Goldberg's Liberal Fascism?

276 Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2010 08:59 PM (bgcml)

I think the current libertarian movement has been co-opted by the Ronulans and some uber lefties. Reason (the mag) seems to go 50/50 politically. The opinion seems to be that libertarians only care about legalizing pot and becoming isolationist. Which is probably true with the noisiest part of the party.

But the original philosophy, I'd wager, is closer to what Jefferson believed. Also I think Washington should have been heeded re foreign wars when he made his farewell speech.

277 "70 59 Why do they keep on with the "palin is stupid" trend.  Once she disproves that with her stint on Fox news, what will they think up next?

Are you serious??? Anybody can use a TELEPROMPTER!

Posted by: irony is lost on libs at January 24, 2010 07:28 PM (qyKoF)"

Yes, I am quite serious.  Intelligence is not measured by just book smarts and whether or not you had the means and the connections to go to an ivy league school.   She has more smarts in her pinky than many of these so called ivy leageuers.  But we shall see right?

278 While they respect your right to fuck everything that moves, they also insist the government be allowed to dictate what type and size of lightbulbs go in my bedside lamp.
What about those of us who "accidentally" sit on light bulbs.  A lot.  Can they dictate the size of those? 

279

What a pity.  What a waste.  One of them was freaking hot, too.

Posted by: Secundus at January 24, 2010 09:00 PM (+EvNy)

See, this is why you wingnuts aren't very bright. I would have asked the earnest, brilliant young lady to come back to my place to talk about her pet issue and whatever else might pop up. 

280

282

You mean Woodrow "The KKK is my BFF" Wilson?  Do the Dems gloss that part over, or just pretend he never existed?

281 Even farther back - Woodrow Wilson. Have you read Goldberg's Liberal Fascism?

I'd originally typed in Wilson and put in FDR instead because it was more overt under FDR. I have Goldberg's book on my stack. I haven't gotten to it yet. Mark Steyn's America Alone is next followed by GB's Arguing with Idiots.

282 Mark Steyn's America Alone is next followed by GB's Arguing with Idiots.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 09:05 PM (gofDd)

I'm reading Steyn's right now.  Love that guy.  Some LOL moments in that book so far.

283 Do the Dems gloss that part over, or just pretend he never existed?

Wilson was a Democrat???? /sarc

Same way they deal with Robert "KKK" Byrd. It never happened.

284 I'm reading Steyn's right now.  Love that guy.  Some LOL moments in that book so far.

He's my favorite sub for Rush. He's funny and brilliant.

285 WTR,

Small 'l' libertarianism is basically the tendency to want limited government, and that especialy includes in areas where consenting adults are harming no one.  It's pretty much "conservatism" without emphasis on church-based rules.  In fact, I'd guess many libertarian Republicans are agnostic. However libertarian Republicans are often tolerant and respectful of religious people and their faith.

The Republican party has many of these folks, and several are highly respected (William Safire was one, Walter Williams is one).

Another characteristic of small 'l' libertarians is disgust with uppercase 'L' Libertarian party types.  The hard-core Libertarians are a mass of contradiction when it comes to things like national defense, federalism, banking, and other institutional things.

Some professed Libertarians are like John Stossel, and are decent, intelligent folks who don't mind a few rules that help society get along.  Some (all too many, alas) Libertarians are nearly anarchist.

The ones who prefer to vote Republican are not like the Ron Paul crazies.

286 America Alone is a great book.  Some freaky scary statistics in there.

287

286

I was staying with my parents, and I could not have brought this chick anywhere near my mom.  They would have found her flayed body in a Dumpster.

288

and we need alternative energy sources.

I went to a focus group the other day and was cornered with whether the statement that a company was investigating or utilitzing "alternative energy sources" made me more likely to shop there on a scale of 0-10. I shocked the group by saying "less than 0". 

"Oh why, pray tell?" I was asked

"Tell me what the alternative sources are, I replied." If I think they will raise the prices of their goods, like solar investments, then I will avoid them. What are they?"

No one knows. Alternative energy must mean solar because that's all there is that works and is transferable and they have been working on that since the '70s to little improvement.

289 Mine, too, WTR.

Patterico has a story up about a shitload more Astroturfer letters being found.  The fake names are adding up fast.

290 I kept hearing Leftards fretting over McCain's age. Well....

McCain, still alive and energetic, would've been in one year so far.
Hopefully, he'd have steered a better course on the economy and healthcare, and I know we'd all be safer than with Barry.

Also, after Climategate, he'd have walked out of Copenhagen altogether.

Last, Palin would now have enough experience to take over at any time.

OTOH, the Tea Partiers wouldn't be a force, so there's some advantage, I guess.

291 Besides, to libs, feelings trump facts every time

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 24, 2010 08:50 PM (y4B2y)

And they're not embarrassed to admit that - as we just saw a SCOTUS nominee whose only real qualifications were the fact that she was a she, a dark she, and empathetic. Thank you, Lady Lindsay for letting that one out of committee ... sheesh.

Leftism is ensconced in emotion. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but leftists also tend to be Staticists (they can only envision a static, unchanging world) which is why they are so quick to try and centralize control and steal everyone's wealth and money, because any static system is easily and efficiently centralized (as all that is needed to run a static system is to decide how many paper clips go to desk #43998 next week, ...) and they want to steal people's money because they don't understand dynamics and how wealth is created.

I spent some time on Israeli Kibbutzim and one could see everything one needs to know about leftist ideas there - including their major problems. Growth and dynamics are what kills leftist structures, as they are built for a static world. Even normal population growth drives leftist structures to ruin, since there is a stratification that is introduced just by the need for new housing that kills any equality they might have forced on the society at that point.

292 What about those of us who "accidentally" sit on light bulbs.  A lot.  Can they dictate the size of those?


Lucky for you, only the twisty ones will be legal in 2012.

293 But the original philosophy, I'd wager, is closer to what Jefferson believed. Also I think Washington should have been heeded re foreign wars when he made his farewell speech.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 09:03 PM (gofDd)

The LP and many Libertarians made a *big* mistake in the mid-late 90s. They wanted to be relevant, but not tied to conservatives, so they looked at where their were votes for the taking. The answer was obviously college students. And the pitch then became drugs. 

Now in fairness, libertarianism should oppose drug criminalization. But only after it has dramatically reduced the scope of the IRS, EPA, HUD, etc...

But college kids generally aren't interested in such things. So the LP's strategy made them center more and more on drugs and less on the important stuff. At the same time, gay rights and millennial environmentalist propaganda were being hammered into these kids as the LP folks stood by. 

So today you can find many 'libertarians' that want to all but ban Christianity and capitalism. Insanity. 

Libertarians should instead have formed a shadow party that essentially just endorses R or D candidates who will advance real libertarian goals and stop with the fringe candidates.

294 Posted by: K~Bob at January 24, 2010 09:08 PM (9b6FB)

All that you said was my understanding of libertarianism. And you summed it up more eloquently than I could. Thanks.

295 My nephew just married a San Francisco child of Israelis. Her mother was raised on a Kibbutz. They are super leftiest communes, right? How do the rest of the Israelis feel about them? Their existence in Israel seems antithetical.

296 I'd originally typed in Wilson and put in FDR instead because it was more overt under FDR. I have Goldberg's book on my stack. I haven't gotten to it yet. Mark Steyn's America Alone is next followed by GB's Arguing with Idiots.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 09:05 PM (gofDd)

You will be surprised by how bad Wilson was...

There is a reason most people don't know much about the progressives besides their views on the problems with the meat packing industry and political machines...

297 I was staying with my parents, and I could not have brought this chick anywhere near my mom.  They would have found her flayed body in a Dumpster.

HA! Gotta love Moms.  I sometimes think theyre more protective of their sons than their daughters.   I know my mom was.  Maybe because, as a woman she knows that guys are ruled by testosterone and their dicks.

298

You mean Woodrow "The KKK is my BFF" Wilson?  Do the Dems gloss that part over, or just pretend he never existed?

Posted by: Secundus at January 24, 2010 09:05 PM (+EvNy)

Wait, people don't like the KKK? We throw the best bonfires!

299

Yep, Wilson was like the worst president we've ever had.  Well, until now.

300 Uh, likely, not like.  Dammit.

301 Uh, likely, not like.  Dammit.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 24, 2010 09:25 PM (MNxpu)

Uh, I prefer, like, the way you, uh, put it originally.

302 wasn't around this weekend.  Did anyone see Beck's show on friday.  I forgot to set the TIVO.

303

One of those disgusted commenters at RCP tracked down Dorson's pix.  Those people mean bidness!

http://tinyurl.com/ybpm8zc

 

304

#307

Well, if you throw more commas in there, it becomes Valley Girl!

Yep, Wilson was, like, the worst president we've ever had.

 

305 309 wasn't around this weekend.  Did anyone see Beck's show on friday.  I forgot to set the TIVO.

Posted by: curious at January 24, 2010 09:26 PM (p302b)

Lucianne has it - http://bit.ly/7toDI1

306 I left a comment for that airhead. I made sure I didn't use any big words...

307 301
All that you said was my understanding of libertarianism. And you summed it up more eloquently than I could. Thanks.

Posted by: wherestherum at January 24, 2010 09:14 PM (gofDd)

You just wrote that to make me blush.

Good thing even non-libertarians are okay with the occasional beer or ten.  I think I'll go get me one.  Or more.

308

Well, if you throw more commas in there, it becomes Valley Girl!

Yep, Wilson was, like, the worst president we've ever had.

 

Posted by: Secundus at January 24, 2010 09:28 PM (+EvNy)

Fur Shuuuuure!

309
"Can someone help me out here, by the way?  I've never been able to figure out what, exactly, the libs' objection to Palin was.  Was there ever anything beyond 'LOL she's a dumbass'?"

The objections I've generally heard are:

- In favor of censoring libraries.

- Forced rape victims to pay for their own examinations.

- Played fast and loose with expense accounts.

- She is stupid and uninformed.

All of which are lies, but they give cover. The real reasons, though, are:

- She talks with a funny accent. You'll never hear those hard consonants in a Cambridge common room or a Georgetown dinner party.You think I'm kidding, but I'm not: there's an enormous amount of snobbery bound up in accents, and liberals are, above all, snobs.

- She's in her mid-40s and hot. And attractive women are bimbos. You see, liberals are not only snobs, their sexist snobs.

- She did not attend an Ivy League university. See my points about snobbery, above.

- She didn't off the 'tard. Now we get to the heart of the matter. She is a walking, talking rebuke to every pro-choice liberal out there. Now, it's certainly possible to be pro-choice and respect a woman's decision not to kill her child; but most liberals I've known are not so open-minded in their attitudes. For them, her decision to bear her child is a slap in the face; and the fact that she is open about her inner struggles over her decision only makes it worse for them.

- She's a Republican. She's getting much the same treatment that Elizabeth Dole and Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan and other prominent Republican women received. Only worse, because she represents a genuine threat to them.

Do you remember The Silver Chair? American politics these days is like Experiment House, with Sarah Palin as Jill and the Democratic power establishment and media as Them.

310 My nephew just married a San Francisco child of Israelis. Her mother was raised on a Kibbutz. They are super leftiest communes, right?

Yep. Most are gone now. They went out of business and the few that happened onto money-making industries tended to be ripped apart because the children of leftists don't tend to be leftists, so much. The losers stay on the kibbutz while anyone with possibilities leaves.

How do the rest of the Israelis feel about them? Their existence in Israel seems antithetical.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2010 09:18 PM (XFwRZ)

Kibbutznics are known to be a bit weird. But they are part of the founding of the nation, having done a huge amount of the work in securing Israel in the beginning. Also, a huge percentage of the military elite used to come from the kibbutzim (something like 35% of the commando forces from a population comprising some 2% of Israel - my numbers are probably a little off, but that's the general line). Personally, I think this is because the kibbutzim were farms and farmers just tend to make heartier people (from the hard work and long hours) and real kick-ass soldiers.

But, the kibbutzim are pretty much all gone, now. They either sold off or started inviting outsiders in for rent and board.

But, the kibbutzim were the purest implementations of leftist theories ever, and on the most workable of scales (from a hundred to several thousand people). They used to do the really weird leftist borg-like practices, like taking very young children from their parents and raising all the kids together in a communal house - that practice died at most kibbutzim within two generations. It was amazing to see, really.

But, in the end, you could see that the kibbutzim were fine until they had to adjust to some change. They had to build new housing for growing families, but then there was stratified housing and people got jealous of each other. They used to rotate people through jobs, with no thought of whether anyone was good or not, but had to abandon that with the specialties in the fields and work in their factories - though they wasted tons of money learning that not everyone can do every job. And on and on.

I very much enjoyed my time on the kibbutzim (they were big parties) but you could feel the stagnation of the system. And that is what leftism always leads to - stagnation, as they try to stop the dynamics of the world around them and fit it into the static world that they imagine in their minds.

Sorry if I rambled on a bit. I get constricted in these little text entry boxes

311  My nephew just married a San Francisco child of Israelis. Her mother was raised on a Kibbutz. They are super leftiest communes, right? How do the rest of the Israelis feel about them? Their existence in Israel seems antithetical.

~dagny

 

Socially Liberal means government defining the basis of social culture from the top down.

Real culture bubbles up from the grass roots, it is defined by how the mass of citizens actually live.  The citizens will define culture through their living, economic choices, and ultimately, how they vote.

In Israel, they majority of people have a common weal based on Jewish culture and a mostly common religious view that is defined by their religion(which has a certain book that tells them how to live).  The communism Israel has is a voluntary social pact accomplished through a common view defined by that certain book.

What we understand as social liberalism is a top down elitist culture dictated to the proletariat(citizens) by the government and enforced through legislation and the limiting of choices through economic restrictions commonly known as International Communism.

In social liberalism the government tells us what culture is, instead of the majority of citizens deciding what culture means to themselves through living their choices.

312
"I was staying with my parents, and I could not have brought this chick anywhere near my mom.  They would have found her flayed body in a Dumpster."

Secundus, a middle-aged woman who was reading this comment over my shoulder remarked, "Well, duh! Beauty fades, but stupid is forever!"

313 317 The grandmother and grandfather left the bronx in the 40s and moved to the Kibbutz. Their daughter while doing her spell in the Israeli army fell in love with a non-kibbutz man. The man's family was not pleased with the connection so the young man and woman moved to California. Years pass and they produce children who speak fluent hebrew but are radically anti-judiasm and any other religion. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the background of this girl and why I might find her so difficult (and lefty).

314

319

Who said anything about 'forever'?

315 wasn't around this weekend.  Did anyone see Beck's show on friday.  I forgot to set the TIVO.
Posted by: curious at January 24, 2010 09:26 PM (p302b)

I'm a Beck guy, by and large, but I wasn't impressed.  His style doesnt lend itself to documentaries, and the information presented was basic and a little disorganized.  I TIVOd it but didnt keep it.

316 There are basically five commandments that even agnostic Conservative/libertarian/Republicans tend to agree with though.

Theft, Murder, Honor ancestors, false witness, covet not neighbor's wife.

The expanded 'Don't covet any of the neighbor's crap' lines up.

The idea of a Restday/family day isn't anethema to our secular society.

And the 'Golden Rule' flies pretty well as regards to fairness.

That's a pretty sizable chunk of 'the way things work well' without strictly drawing any of the religious trappings in at all.

If you interpret another couple of the commandments somewhat differently than the normal, they line up with some fairly non-religious but useful ideas as well:
No adultery -> Don't mess up functional families.
No idolatry -> Even for political figures. (Principles over slick-talking.)
No blasphemy -> Strive for civil speech.

That's nine of ten plus the golden rule. Once you've accepted that much, one might as well call oneself a strict Calvinist and blame every single deviation on predestination anyway.

317

progressoverpeace, in Alberta Canada we have a group of people, originally from Germany, called Hutterites.

They have a Kibbutz-like structure and have been here for many generations longer than Israel has existed and do fine, both economically and socially, including buying up some of the best farmland in the province.  They have also made major upgrades in their standards of living even though they lived like the Amish in the U.S.A. at one time in the recent past, making everything like clothing, homes, furniture, etc, from scratch.

By the way, the American Amish seem to be doing just fine with the commune thing.  Success in a commune is dependent on having a common world view.

318 the American Amish seem to be doing just fine with the commune thing. 

How strong is their central organization?  Do they confiscate cows from one family for redistribution if they have more than another?

319 Posted by: Speller at January 24, 2010 10:04 PM (o0R2E)

You make a good about the Amish and your German group in Canada. I would note, though, that the Amish seek stagnation, which is the key to it all. But for any group that values progress, it won't work. Well, I don't believe it will work, because centralized systems force the surrounding environment into stagnation - to stay in sync with the centralized control structures. And centralized systems are unable to develop highly complex infrastructure that requires many different actors individually trying all sorts of different schemes, with many failing and suffering in the process, until they finally hit on the right combination and we get a strong, adaptable industry - for the larger scale societies.

But you brought up a good point, Speller, with the Amish and Hutterites and I'll have to check into it and see how it fits into my leftist-commune spiel.

320 Speller, for completeness, I would add that Moshavim in Israel have done okay. A Moshav is like a kibbutz in that there were central dining halls and stuff where the community got together, but in the moshav each family owns its own farmland and house. In a kibbutz there is no private ownership of much of anything - certainly not major assets. In fact, kibbutznics weren't even supposed to have any money outside of the kibbutz (even though they all cheated on that).

321 If Jill Dorson is a Republican, I'm the King of Siam...

"Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...."

322 The Amish also require that you voluntarily cooperate and they take folks out to see the 'outside world' prior to joining their group, which is a whole lot different then forcing folks into a system they don't want.

323 And there's a bit of a difference between voluntarily cooperating with your neighbors and forced redistribution.

324 Hmmmm.

Shorter version for the time challenged:

ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME!

And I regret not being able to write 4,000 more of ME!

325 It's time for Americans to realize that governing is hard work, and that a president can't just wave a magic wand and fix everything.

326 She voted for a babysitter not a president, she voted for a personal assistant and a mommy, not a president. She is the problem. No convictions. It is all ME ME ME ME ME - all about her. Pretty scary if you ask me.

327

as a concerned -gasp- conservative professor of really important sooper smart stuff, i must agree with this important writer... i too am concerned about that damn ice woman from alaska being our standard for family women everywhere!!! who does this trollop think she is ?   married, children, working womyn, for gods sake just spike the ball ...she puts her family above the grass roots efforts to smear her by the whitehouse, the devil herself....

 we must do all we can as concerned conservatives to stop this womyn from gaining power of any sort... stop watching fox, don't buy the nypost or wsj and for gods sake write in to all backers of these products...

we must band together as god fear'n folk and promote a real conservative womyn such as barb milkuski of whoopi goldburg...

ps- this damn woman and her nephew , trig , MUST BE STOPPED....

back to my research on why conservatives are inferior to progressives, and why i am so scared of black people

 

328 Are these ("independents") people for real?  They think Palin is as bad as 9/11 and the current econmic crisis.  Get a grip.

329

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