1 When you're interested in building a new Utopian society, you're not that interested in running the current one.

2 ...wait, almost 29?

I call shennanigans!

_{That or I need to arm my walker.}

3 Folks realized after takeoff that Obama's airplane had no landing gear.

4 “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Why don't you save the adults a lot of grief and just kill yourself now.

5 Ace, if you're 29 then I'm Mary, Queen of Scots.

6 The thing about young people is that, yes, some of them are as dumb as stumps, but not all of them. And the ones who aren't suddenly realized that they got boned big time. Their futures are so fucked. They are going to live in smaller houses, drive shitty cars and pay taxes until they bleed all because they fell for the Madison Avenue candidate. Plus they are going to borrow obscene amounts of money to go to some middle level college that no one ever heard of, and thanks to the new law, they are going to be stuck paying off their loans until they are 55 years old. Sucks to be them, really.

7 “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. That vibe is worth a thousand Reason papers and $1M in TV ads. Exactly.

8 Money talks.  Bullshit walks.  That's something that's universally accepted.

9 I like any graph that even sorta looks like a vagina.

10 Just don't poke those youngsters too much, they need to keep sleep-walking and paying our bills

11 There's a vibe. Young Guns in the House.

12 Having to actually pay your own bills and taxes after Mom or Dad loses their job will do that to you.

13
Tr: The unicorn looks like a donkey and  the skittles taste like rat turds.

14 I told you it was a temper tantrum...

15 Having to actually pay your own bills and taxes after Mom or Dad loses their job will do that to you.

Ain't that the truth, and so quickly after the election to boot.

16 My 26 and 21 year old sprogs have always had a two word analysis of the Dems:  Fuck 'em.  And they ain't alone.  Granted we are small town Texas people but everyone wants the nice house, a real car not a clown car, a 4 wheeler, guns and some pocket money for getting out at night.  Nice toys cost money and they can see how the government has yanked it away from them to buy the non-producers.

17 He was doing just fine until I asked him to look out for me by making my car payments and paying  for my gas.

18 Heck, I am only 3 years old and I know that Obama's an empty suit. Toddler Conservatives unite! Throw of the bonds of our Quattorgenarian Masters! Me and the InTrade baby are coming for your liberal asses!

19 I like any graph that even sorta looks like a vagina. Well, it is about Barry, ultimately.

20

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Ya see, kid, that's what makes you a dumbass, and vulnerable to leftard bullshit. What you need to "feel" is a semi load of reality hitting you at 90 mph. That might knock some sense into that empty skull. Maybe.

21 Smells like teen dispirit. Perfect!! A trillion or two in debt hung around you generation's neck will tend to do that.

22 The reason young people are so heavily dem is because of the indoctrination you go through in school.  As time goes on, you realize what a load of shit it all was.

23 Is it too much to hope that my generation may be emerging from its Jersey Shore and Natty Light-induced stupor? I think support for Obama among "millennials" is directly correlated to how much they actually have to live in the so-called real world.

24 As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November)

25 when I first read that Ace was 29 I thought he was joking, but now he's repeating that number? So, who was the ewok that we saw earlier?

26 I like any graph that even sorta looks like a vagina.

I can't find the clitoris, but that's hardly surprising.

27 @24 yeah, what a load of shit indeed. Shit that they charge you $20-50k a year to put between your ears, if you are lucky.

28 Hahahahahah.........to make matters worse many of those 20-somethings who can't find jobs are staying in school for advanced degrees.  And that tuition gets tacked onto the debt they already can't pay.  Good times.

29 oh God, if the One lost his college drones...then all is lost for him.

30 Ace has things in his beard that are older than 29.

31 It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the ratings for each age in that cohort. The ones just starting college are probably still in deep in the daze, while the ones getting out have more than likely had the wool ripped from their faces.

32 I need the G-spotPS coordinates......

33 Yeah I am joking, I am repeating it because if I say it enough times it will true. It's The Big Lie. I'm giving it a shot.

34

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Fuck you, you little dipshit. I don't even come close to giving a shit personally about you..

..I really don't....

What I give a shit about is everyone being able to improve their lives, advance their own lot, etc. without the government fucking everything up...

....do not fucking advocate for someone to make my choices for me

Once you and the other fucking idiots get that, the bettre off we'll all be

35 @24 yeah, what a load of shit indeed. Shit that they charge you $20-50k a year to put between your ears, if you are lucky.

High school and grade school are the real indoctrination centers.  In college your path is already set.

36 Who could have known Obama would suck so bad?

37

But Intrade shows the Dems up with young voters by 20%!!!!!!!

38

@25

Support for all Democrats among all demographics is directly correlated to how much they actually have to live in the real world.  Young people just have very little living in the real world.  I mean, college undergrad?  It is THE most favorable ratio of freedom vs. responsibility anyone will ever have, and probably more than anyone should ever have. 

39 There's an interesting rumor going around it says that "they are going to forgive student debt".....everyone assumes it is their student debt.  I have pointed out to several of my friends that it was very difficult to qualify for cash for clunkers and the measly housing credit of 8 grand which you used on your new home which has now dropped again, was difficult to qualify for also.  Few people were able to use these two programs.  I expect, should they forgive student debt, those whose debt is forgiven will be in another narrow range.

40 >>As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November)

Ace, I have met you. I understand the urge to lie about your age. You probably think if people knew your real age, they won't take you seriously as a political blogger. But you don't look a day over 24.

41 It's The Big Lie. I'm giving it a shot.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2010 04:09 PM (QbA6l)

That's just stupid.

_{I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson.}

42
I think Sarah Palin is this [ ] close to using the c-word when talking about the media.

I'd say in a few more months, Mrs Palin will be calling reporters 'cocksuckers' to their faces. I look forward to it.

43 35 Yeah I am joking, I am repeating it because if I say it enough times it will true.

It's The Big Lie. I'm giving it a shot.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2010 04:09 PM (QbA6l)

Either lying about your age ain't just for the ladies anymore, or...

44 8 “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym.

Hmmmm. Sounds like this guy might be one of the new voters the Republicans are picking up thanks to Ann Coulter appearing at HomoCon.

45 That "vibe" you are feeling is Swiss Miss mocha swirl.

46 >>>I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson. yeah that doesn't work, I tried that.

47 At first I was going to ask how in god's name you could be a year younger than me.  Then I realized you're joking around.  There's no way you're a year under 32, with your pop culture obsessions.

48 Too bad they can't find a way to do the kind of commercials being done against FIOS

49
In college your path is already set.

Womens Studies Major= day care worker
History Major= waiter
Journalism Major= bicycle messenger
Black History Major=taxi driver

50
in b4 john ex-democrat tells us he's an ex-democrat for the fifteen-hundredth time!

51
That "vibe" you are feeling is Swiss Miss mocha swirl.



Is Swiss Miss getting into the pudding business?

52 Holy shit, Ace is a Scorpio?

Now it all makes sense.  That envenomed stinger packs a wallop!

53 There is an old saying: a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. I think that makes the Obama administration the mugger.

54

But you don't look a day over 24.

in dog years

55
What movie is that from?

The Asian-Chinese kid with the big wang tells the nerd to think big wang and he'll have a big wang?

56 The real motivated voter this cycle are the older voters. They flat out hate ObamaCare in huge numbers and health issue are disproportionally important to them. They also tend to be very nostalgic about this country and concerned about their kids and grand kids. They always vote but they are going to be even more motivated now and they are going to punish Dems. I can't wait until November.

57 OT, just a quick update:

Forced to be in a room where the Oprah show is on, is like being pecked
to death by a duck.

Update.  Must credit me;

Suze Orman is a cabbage patch doll.

58

I still blame the media. Millions of people simply bought what was being sold.

59 We voted for the black guy.

What else were we supposed to do?

60 You know I have a WS friend who is applying for credit cards and then slowly running them up.  He seriously thinks this will be a "winning strategy" in the end.  I've been trying to figure out what he anticipates happening that he would think it was a great idea to be up to his ears in debt, although I suspect a lot of it is cash advances.

61 I find this graph strangely compelling.

62

OT - but maybe this will help to explain it:

“Now that socialism has definitively, once and for all, without question, been proven not to work as a viable economic model, what is needed now is something that will work – something new – something bold.  What is needed now is socialism.”  Robert Reich

The stupidity of "experts" (who, we are led to believe, are smart people) is effing depressing.

Can someone loan me a pill, maybe a cocktail?  Fuck me this is tiresome.

 

63

#60

I still blame the media. Millions of people simply bought what was being sold.

 

Even a scintilla of time spent on basic background information about the Indonesian imbecile would have given them cause to think he was a bad idea..

fuck THEM

64 As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November)... You mean in dog years?

65 Is Swiss Miss getting into the pudding business?


That's like asking if lace wigs is getting into the spamming business.

Swiss Miss Pudding

66 Is Swiss Miss getting into the pudding business? Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 03, 2010 04:19 PM (P9+0W) I would LOVE to see the Swiss Miss dip those suckers...

67 Viewed horizontally, that graph looks oddly sexual. Just sayin'.

68 Testament to the successful indoctrination of my generation by the public school system.

I'm disappointed that still the majority of my generation still would vote democrat after all of this.  Even with a minimal knowledge of history and the application of the smallest amount of common sense you would think that the youngest voters would have a predisposition to dislike the idea of more government.

69
the Vagina Omen?

70 And notice that the realignment of younger voters significantly precedes the shift in other groups.

That said, turnout among youth voters is significantly less than other groups, though I have noticed that conservative youth vote in larger numbers than others. (I have not missed an election since 1982 when I turned 18.)

71 Well dune road is closed and flooded out and the hurricane isn't even there yet.  John Batchelor had a NYT's real estate writer who was saying that the hamptons is driven by WS and they haven't been buying but that now the three million plus category in the hamptons has picked up a lot, houses there are selling.  It's almost as though they want a place to park their money and, as bad as it is, they figure the hamptons will always come back.

72 58 The real motivated voter this cycle are the older voters. They flat out hate ObamaCare in huge numbers and health issue are disproportionally important to them. They also tend to be very nostalgic about this country and concerned about their kids and grand kids.

They always vote but they are going to be even more motivated now and they are going to punish Dems.

I can't wait until November.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2010 04:20 PM (VW9/y)

Yep, and the real issue is that co-pay is going up and max payout is going down.

My co-pay went from $10 to 15% of the bill. When people have to start laying out cash - Obama is gonna get bashed

73 Won't it be just GREAT when Sen. McCaskil uses her "mother's voice" to give her concession speech?? BWAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha!!! *cough, cough!*

74 omg just watched Word Girl - and I swear "Tiny Big" was a commentary on Obama! (he was a skinny teen-idol villain without much substance who hypnotized everybody) definitely the zeitgeist is a-changin

75 WordGirl is a kids' show on PBS btw

76
let's look at the 1994 chart and compare trends


We  (you sick fucks) might have a discovered a new graphical phenomen that predicts GOP landslides -- the Vagina Omen.

77 I don't see a vagina.

78 The White House's November youth outreach will include this Presidential address from the Oval Office:

I see you swept into office by the voters I love
And I'm like, FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooo!
I guess the change and the hope just weren't enough
And I'm like, FUCK YOU
And FUCK THEM, too!
I guess you would be richer
 if your job was still wit'cha
Now, ain't that some shit?
And now Pelosi is out I just stand here and shout,
Hey, voters!  FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooh

I was only too willin to spend eight hundred billion
But that didn't seem to make a dent
You love the Tea Party but I'm more of a soiree
A Kobe-eating President

I pity the fool who gets elected by you
(Oh shit they're spoiled brats)
Well
(Gave up on the Democrats)
Ooo
I got some news for you
Yeah run and tell your Sarah and Glenn

I see you swept into office by the voters I love
And I'm like, FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooo!
I guess the change and the hope just weren't enough
And I'm like, FUCK YOU
And FUCK THEM, too!
I guess you would be richer
 if your job was still wit'cha
Now, ain't that some shit?
And now Pelosi is out I just stand here and shout,
Hey, voters!  FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooh

Now I know that I had to borrow
From China and your grandchildren
Trying to keep ya, trying to please ya
But unemployment is still pushing ten

I pity the fool who gets elected by you
(Oh shit they're spoiled brats)
Well
(Gave up on the Democrats)
Ooo
I got some news for you
Yeah run and tell your Sarah and Glenn

Now all you little voters, why you wanna hurt me so bad?
(So bad, so bad, so bad)
I thought you were sick and tired of W and his dad
(His dad, his dad, his dad)
Uh! Whyyyy? Uh! Whyyy?!?
Uh! Whyyyy, people?!?!?
Ooo, I'm the one -- oh! -- you waited for!!!
OOOOO!

I see you swept into office by the voters I love
And I'm like, FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooo!
I guess the change and the hope just weren't enough
And I'm like, FUCK YOU
And FUCK THEM, too!
I guess you would be richer
 if your job was still wit'cha
Now, ain't that some shit?
And now Pelosi is out I just stand here and shout,
Hey, voters!  FUCK YOU!
Oo, oo, ooh

79 79 I don't see a vagina. Posted by: a. sullivan at September 03, 2010 04:32 PM (5I0Yr) Not since birth, I'm sure.

80 Hi MOM!!!!

81 Well, well, well, coastal elitists. You may enjoy sitting around your fancy condos and talking about Russian novels and Italian cinema while drinking fine French wine, but  you might have forgotten something about what not having a menu plan at that fancy Ivy League school of yours means:

Eating Ramen noodles everyday sucks!

82 Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 03, 2010 04:31 PM (zqzYV)

wait until they realize that they have to, by law, pay for their records to be made electronic.  It's not much if you make less than $250 grand but after that it is in excess of 2 thousand dollars plus to get those suckers onto the computer.  No wonder the computer records guys are chomping at the bit, this is going to make them billionaires.

83 Ace, if you're 29 then I'm Mary, Queen of Scots.

Posted by: MDH3 at September 03, 2010 03:54 PM (CZcCo)

No one under the age of forty knows what the word "hobo" means.  Except ApeLad.

84 Posted by: stuiec at September 03, 2010 04:32 PM (5UP6n)

Nicely done. Kinda sums up the whole presidency, really.

85 I really hope this marks a turning point for higher education away from the leftist indoctrination institutions and a realization by the kids that their professors are, for the most part, drug and perverted ideology addled idiots.

86
stu, still commenting at Frum's pickle-smoochin' factory & blog with the other three people?

87 Well, don't ice the champagne yet boys and girls.

A lot of wunnerful shit has to happen. Hopefully we get complete Hill gridlock. This two years will be a complete waste. Then we have to hope we can root out a slash and burn candidate that detests gummint and realizes that the re-birth of America happens when someone is finally willing and able to get government out of our lives. Campaign reform, term limits, get rid of the Fed, Flat tax, get rid of the Energy Commission, Fannie, Freddie, student loans, Obamacare and every other waste of our money...then perhaps we have a slight chance of recovery.

We need a state convention to demand all of this and soon. Anything short of a complete and total demolition and rebuild...gets us the same old results.

88 Hi MOM!!!!

Posted by: The Little Man in The Boat at September 03, 2010 04:34 PM (tJjm/)

I used to love your commercials!

(You are this guy, right?)

89
Frum's Bums & Forum isn't exactly taking off like huffpo, is it?

heh

90 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 03, 2010 04:37 PM (r1h5M)

you have to do what they do with sports.  If you have a men's team you have to have a women's team so if you have an ultra lib professor you have to have an ultra conservative professor.

91 My kids, all very young, refer to Obama as "babykiller", the ones over six can all put 6 .22 rnd in the black at 100', are going to catholic schools until college - which will either be full ride or via the military. Wife and I have already decided, wrote it down as well - in case she changes her mind. They will have every opportunity to not vote liberal. (and I know the WordGirl theme music, too BlackOrchid)

92 stu, still commenting at Frum's pickle-smoochin' factory & blog with the other three people?

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at September 03, 2010 04:37 PM (uFokq)

No - I realized that was merely casting pearls before swine.

93 STUIEC!

Quit stealing my shit.

94 Thought of the day:  Why is it that lib-talkers always say 'The reality is...' (or words to that effect) right before presenting an absolutely delusional scenario?

95
yeah, plus it was only the four of you

96 96 Thought of the day:  Why is it that lib-talkers always say 'The reality is...' (or words to that effect) right before presenting an absolutely delusional scenario?

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at September 03, 2010 04:42 PM (IkEhE)

It's like saying, "Let me be honest", so, are you dishonest every other time you talk to me?

97 I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson. I have a 10 inch johnson.

yeah that doesn't work, I tried that.

Posted by: ace

 

My johnson is only 10 inches long. my johnson is only 10 inches long.

You are indeed correct.

98 I half expect Robert Gibb's head to suddenly pop from inside that graph...

99 Frum's Bums & Forum isn't exactly taking off like huffpo, is it?

heh

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at September 03, 2010 04:38 PM (uFokq)

I just love that site!!

100 You're only 29?

101 Hopefully we get complete Hill gridlock. This two years will be a complete waste.

I love gridlock.  Really the only hope we have for real no shit budget cuts is a complete government shutdown for a few months.

102 I just turned 29 a few weeks ago, and I've always considered myself a Gen-X'er.  Which, to be honest, probably isn't the most accurate (Gen X ends in 1981, the year I was born), but I've always thought "Generation X" sounds way cooler than Generation Y.

103
Thought of the day:  Why is it that lib-talkers always say 'The reality is...' (or words to that effect) right before presenting an absolutely delusional scenario?


"The real issue is....."

Hate, hate, hate that phrase. Almost exclusively used by liberals to tell an audience that not only are they wrong, but they are too stupid to even ask the right questions.

104 I think the bulk of the millennial generation isn't so much seeing the light as easily manipulated, shallow thinking, ignorant of politics, and moving with the tide. But maybe I'm just getting old.

105

Psssst, hey Milleniums! If your parents voted for The One, give them a call from your college dorm and ask them when everyone gets on of those awesome new Green Jobs.

Also, be sure to demand lots of money for partying and new clothes. If they balk, inform them that it's better when you spread the wealth around. Tell them that you want to spend some of that money treating your black friends to a movie and if your parents won't help you with that, then they're racists.

106 The reality is, is that libtards have already drawn their conclusion based on their ridiculous microview that instant gratification is always better than some longterm macroview. Or that life should be fair. Hence our current situation.

I really hate these people. They live in some utopian fantasy wherein they believe their idiotic opinions are reality.

107 As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November) You Young Punk! You have no idea how much respect I've just lost for you! Hell, who am I kidding? How do you respect an Ewok in the first place?

108 Ace, I can't believe you're only 29 years old. You looked older (more mature) in person.

109

 

Part of me remains optimistic. How many times have you heard, "Jimmy Carter made me a conservative"?

110 The think I've found is that the kids who are in college now, and the ones I went to college with (2000-2005) are liberal because they can AFFORD to be.  They grew up with parents who were successful enough to afford to pay for college, to afford a car to give their kids, and to send their kids money every week to spend on booze and drugs.

Now that economic times have become a bit tougher for mom and dad, these kids are starting to see the benefits dry up.  They're starting to see the job prospects that were all but guaranteed them out of college suddenly became a lot more competitive.

Liberalism is easy...until you start running out of money... then you have to start making tough decisions.

111 Black History Major=taxi driver

Uh, no.  Underqualified.

112 College-age people respond very well to libertarian (small "L") ideas. Republicans should emphasize the libertarian elements of their platform with younger voters. "Don't Tread on Me!" could be a winner with them.

113 I can't find the clitoris, but that's hardly surprising.

Posted by: nickless at September 03, 2010 04:08 PM (MMC8r)

Yeah...there's a reason for that.

114

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.- Winston Churchill

Happily I was a heartless young man - if only there were more!

 

115 Communication degree = call center customer service rep for life

116 Even worse! Now you lie about your age like a G-d'ed woman! That's it! I want to see a copy of your birth certificate or I cancel my subscription to your newsletter!

117 117 Communication degree = call center customer service rep for life

Oh, magod!  That's, like, totally the degree that I, like, got and stuff.

118 I don't care that Ace is young and has no heart, Winston. I admire his spunk.

With any hope, he will make that middle age move to reality when he realizes that fighting an R and D war was a complete waste of time and energy.

119 These kids are getting sick of being called racist too. They've been propagandized their entire lives but have never know a time when they were not the ones who were second best. They are sick of it. They are also sick of the global warming crap. I agree that we could have an entire generation of libertarians because they hate the nanny state that they've been smothered by.

120

102 You're only 29?

He just says that.

121 114 If by 'Libertarian' you mean 'weed, sex, cheetos, and no taxes', yeah.

When you point out the rest of the package, I've noticed they sour kinda quickly.

122 I agree that we could have an entire generation of libertarians because they hate the nanny state that they've been smothered by.

Gawd Dagny, I pray you are right...oh do I pray.

123 My 15 year old got his paycheck for lifeguarding 60 hours in 105 degree heat. He saw $145 taken out for medicare. He said, "call grandma, she owes me money."

124 good stuff!

125 Jesus, Ace is (barely) younger than me? Good lord.

126

They are sick of global warming. Really really sick of it. They are sick of feminists. They are sickened by partial birth abortion. They are sick of the 21 drinking age. They hate the 55 speed limit on rural highways in some states and know that they change in states with balls. They hate getting medicare and social security taken out of their checks if they work. They are sick of being told how bad they are if they have a soda or a candy bar. They listen to rap so the idea that there are words that are prohibited to some but not others they find ridiculous. They were scared to death by 9-11. They were told to "be careful" everytime they wanted to play dodgeball or kickball. The boys didn't like being feminized. They have never been outside to play alone and they don't like that. They aren't impressed by starbucks, avatar, new york, sushi, weed, cocaine, rappers or the elite.

I just hope they can remember wanting to be free.

127

I agree that we could have an entire generation of libertarians because they hate the nanny state that they've been smothered by.

The problem is that the leftists are moving to infect libertarians as well.  They took over and killed the meaning of liberal, then rebranded to "progressive" and now that they've killed that idea they're going to rot libertarianism into a muddled mash of leftist rehash.

128 Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon. “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Philip Stricker, 21, biology major, if there is any justice in this fucking world your weight-lifting douchebag functional-retard ass will be eating dog food out of some dumpster by 2011.

See what kind of "vibe" that gives you, you miserable empty-headed sorry piece of shit.

129 120 I don't care that Ace is young and has no heart, Winston. I admire his spunk.

Apparently it's available to pretty much anyone.

130 I can't believe y'all are missing the "29" joke.

131 And by the way, I really don't know which age group I have more contempt for -- the mush-skulled Millennials who know dick about anything at all, have no fucking clue what's going on or any practical ability to do anything themselves and don't really care so long as the next iProduct comes out on schedule; or the I-got-mine-fuck-you Boomers who cannibalized the country, lived high, and now tell the subsequent generations to pay the bill with a casual sneer of "hey, life is hard."

132 People keep asking me if I'm serious, and I say, "No, it's just a joke," and they don't even seem to read that. So I guess I'm 29. Well, I WILL BE 29. I was thinking about this. If 90% of people "know" me from this site, and according to this site, I am 29 (well, will be 29), then am I not really kinda-sorta 29 (well, will kinda-sorta be 29) for all practical purposes? I mean, who knows. What the hell. I *am* 29. (Well, I *will be* 29.)

133

I have no data to back this up but the collapse of the 20 sumptins vote in a midterm was almost a given whether Obama was a good or bad precident.  His cult following was willing to get off their dead ass to get him elected but, except for a 5-10% corp group,  that was about as far as their political sophistication and energy would carry them. 

I believe the conservatives in that generation remain fired up  unless given a Bob Drole or John (I hope the Dems give me a reach around) McCain.  Dem support in November will disappear faster than piss in a foot of snow.

134 Philip Stricker, 21, biology major, if there is any justice in this fucking world your weight-lifting douchebag functional-retard ass will be eating dog food out of some dumpster by 2011.

Either that or ends up with $300,000 worth of medical school debt.

135 Once around, over the top, bottom of the pudding cup and voila 10 inches

136 Either that or ends up with $300,000 worth of medical school debt.

Probably both.

137 If you want to blame a generation, consider:

Somebody raised the Boomers.

Flame away, but think about it.

138 true.  thanks for fixing that.

139

The voting paterns of young people back up the following 2 propositions:

1.  Registering to vote should be a serious inconvenience, and require filling out long forms and waiting around a government office.  Anything that even smacks of work will drive away your typical layabout moocher brat.

2.  Voting should be restricted to property owners and veterans.

 

140 I'm taking some community college courses (upgrading job skills).
I see a lot of young ex-military.  A lot more than when I was a kid.
Maybe that has something to do with it.  I think this generation's best and brightest went to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Maybe there's hope.

141

O.T. but I just have to spread the funny.

http://tinyurl.com/27p7bt5

142 142 If you want to blame a generation, consider:

I know, blaming generations is ultimately stupid and pointless because there are always good and evil people in every one.  The Silent Generation and Greatest Generations were awash in socialists and New Dealers that lit many a slow-burning fuse.  But I just got kicked in the teeth again today by the Obamaconomy and felt like taking it out on someone without starting a flamewar, so Philip Fucking Stricker and a couple of abstract generational constructs served nicely.

143

as the youngest Ace commenter all I have to say is...I already caught on to this liberal crap before those my age did

In 2004 I was a sophmore in High School and a big time Dubya supporter (not seeing the storm that would be his 2nd term) and I had to deal w/ clowns on election day telling me how Kerry was going to blowout Bush (even though polls had it at a dead heat w/ a lean towards Bush) and the next day watched all their sad faces as I gladly let them eat crow

144 "Why do people, in all times and places, obey the commands of the government, which always constitutes a small minority of the society?" Etienne de La Boetie, 1550.

Victimized voter guinea pigs have had enough of Obama's administered Milgram Experiment.

Milgram's experiment really had nothing to do with memory, learning, and punishment, of course. It was rather, as he described it in 1974, "a simple experiment Â… to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not." Yet, at any point in the proceedings, all any of the teachers had to do was refuse to continue. All any of them had to do was stand up and walk out of the laboratory. It is rather like the situation Etienne de La Boetie describes in his essay on the politics of obedience. Because the ruled always outnumber the ruler, La Boetie wrote, the ruled can free themselves at any time "merely by willing to be free."

And a big FU to James J. Martin's academic conclusion that the general American populace has always been genetically born to serve a master, lacking the gumption to demand Liberty by denying assent to a demanding authoritarian. We wouldn't have had our successful revolution against the Crown if only a handful of Americans were riled. Since the 20th Century, effective civil rights protests began with organized labor; and now the successful local Townhalls and national DC protests turned out combined millions opposing federal Marxist aggressive annihilation of Liberty, Justice and Prosperity. 

145 Even if younger voters are more skeptical of The One now (and I think they probably are), it's not going to translate into a big surge of hot young GOP'ers at the local Republican HQ (would that it were..).

At least Obama's cult of personality will not match FDR's.

146 Wow, it is the Carter years all over again, where new voters voted for Uncle Ron and other Republicans in record proportions. Nice to see a New Generation wising up.

147

142 If you want to blame a generation, consider:

Somebody raised the Boomers

EXACTLY!!! The so-called greatest generation gave us the great 'war on poverty' programs that started this great big debt bomb. The boomers just kept adding more shit to it!

Sorry, the italics wont turn off.

148 Ace,
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about in 134, I mean it seems awfully philosophical but my only philosophical knowledge comes from Bruce Banner who once said "Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.  If fact I'm feeling pretty perturbed right now so I'm gonna turn green and smash some shit but first you need to blow me" which is how I've lived my life ever since I made it up 5 minutes ago.  Which makes me feel kind of stupid in addition to old since if you are really 28 I'm almost 10 years older than you and I saw your ewok ass on CNN that one time and I thought you were definitely older than me.  So, like so many Fridays before, I'm confused and feeling bad about myself  but this time I'm not even drunk yet so thanks for that.   

149

Posted by: someone else at September 03, 2010 05:56 PM (csCCS)

FDR got lucky enough to be in a time when the GOP was at it's worst branding itself (the GOP of the 30s and 40s make today's look like fucking geniuses) and a time when the world was experimenting w/ socialism and liberalism which would ultimately lead to the 60s and 70s downward spiral that lead to the conservative alignment of the late 60s and the Reagan revolution of the 80s, all the way up to the Republican revolution of the 90s and then Dubya screwed the momentum up w/ "compassionate conservatism" which allowed Dems to lie themselves into office and fuck us all

150

Somebody raised the Boomers.

Flame away, but think about it.

And so many of the Boomers rejected their parents and what they taught and stood for.

Who to blame?

151

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Why don't you save the adults a lot of grief and just kill yourself now

Now now, a young skull full of mush may use different lingo than you, and may need more wising up, but his statement is a damn good sign. These hipsters need nurturing.

152 At least Obama's cult of personality will not match FDR's.
Posted by: someone else

No kidding. Remember how MANY great Americans he was espoused to be the "next"! Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Jimmah Carter, whoever else...

You can't be everybody all the time.

153

Sorry, the italics wont turn off. -- Posted by: Schwalbe

Nor the outrage.

154 Ace is 29 in Ewok years.

155 One of the beauties of young voters not having some of the biases that perhaps older voters have is that they're not too impressed by "the other". They could really care less if you're gay, or black, or a woman. It really means nothing. With Obama, they genuinely are color blind. So, while the baby-boomers still get jazzed at having "the black friend", this generation could really give a shit about any of the identity politics. They might say to an older person "who gives a shit that Obama is black." It's really because they think "who gives a shit". He's black, big deal. This actually could hurt if not completely end the age of identity politics and that hurts the left.

156

This comment saddens me:

Ya see, kid, that's what makes you a dumbass, and vulnerable to leftard bullshit. What you need to "feel" is a semi load of reality hitting you at 90 mph. That might knock some sense into that empty skull. Maybe.

....and this one is even worse:

Fuck you, you little dipshit. I don't even come close to giving a shit personally about you..

..I really don't....

What I give a shit about is everyone being able to improve their lives, advance their own lot, etc. without the government fucking everything up...

....do not fucking advocate for someone to make my choices for me

Once you and the other fucking idiots get that, the bettre off we'll all be

Just picture this kid, or someone who identifies with the kid interviewed, coming over to this blog to learn more. It's like a slap in the face to them. What a way to turn off someone who is just starting to wise up!!!

OF COURSE the politically naive will use terms like "bad vibe" and "care a lot more".

That's all they have been taught.

Just be patient with them and straighten them out (NTTAWW being gay and conservative).

157 So, while the baby-boomers still get jazzed at having "the black friend", this generation could really give a shit about any of the identity politics.--  Posted by: JDW

Except that there are still as many youth today jazzed at having "the black friend" as there ever were boomers.

Being color blind isn't a novelty, even if youth have realized like boomers that "He's black, big deal." You should get out of your own comfort zone more to get over that ageism.

158 This is exactly what I went through between 1992 and 1994. In 1992 I was a wide eyed 20yo liberal who enthusiastically voted for Obama. 2 years later, I was a Gingrich disciple. All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

159

171

You mean Clinton? He was black too.

160 61 We voted for the black guy.

What else were we supposed to do?

I actually voted for his white half.

161 172

So does this mean I was a racist already in 1993? I always wondered why I opposed Hillarycare, but I always thought it was because Betsy McCaughey was so damned hot.

162 As the millennials age and realize that rather they are not the beneficiaries of the Democrat's profligate spending, but the benefactors, they will continue that trend line away from the Democrats.

163 169,

Exactly. I'm 23 and conservative, and I've been dicking around on conservative blogs since I was 18, so I'm used to the general rage at my age cohort. Granted, a good many people my age are ignorant about a lot of shit, but that's because they're young and have grown up in a education system that emphasizes the -isms, like racism, imperialism, colonialism, etc etc. I've been able to "convert" a lot of people just because of their lack of any substantive historical or political knowledge, but then they come into contact with older Repubs and Cons that basically give them the FOAD because they don't have the line down pat just yet. FFS, give them a chance, and try to encourage that kind of thought process, or there won't be any more conservatives once all you geezers die off.

And the "vibe" kid? He's worth that much anger? Really? Because the fact that he said vibe is more important than the fact that he is questioning the direction that Democrats are taking this country in, which could turn him into a lifelong conservative down the line? Have some fucking perspective.

164 169, if you read HuffPo, Kos or even Daily Beast, these comments are mild by comparison. I find mostly good comments from the regular "morons". I have had enough political discussions with recent college graduates and twenty somethings to realize that many abandoned their deductive reasoning (if they had any) and fell for Obama with the same adore as per-teen and teen girls for Justin Beiber. Obama was never an intellectual sell but an emotional one. 1. vote for a black man and we are no longer racist, 2. vote for the cool, super smart guy that all the media says is incredible who looks, acts and sounds like a President. 3.Vote to end the war, 4. Vote lower the oceans, end global warming. 5. Vote so people around the world will like us again. 6. Vote to make the world more "fair". The far left finally got their George McGovern (without the history of personal courage in WWII or any legislative accomplishment.) American's took a flyer on a guy and were manipulated by the press, gave the dems control and look what they got. Far left, EU type socialism ! Who in the hell can honestly believe that "hope & change" was nothing more than an empty slogan. All things to all people will never work. Obama and Dems were not honest with the public. Many of America's young and younger adults grew up in the 25+ year boom and were clueless about the world. They say many conservatives start life as liberals that are then mugged by reality.

165

And the "vibe" kid? He's worth that much anger? Really?

Exactly right back to you! :-)

When I was young, I was "all, like, Mondale is really, like, a commie, y'know?"

And I am sure to older ears I might have seemed a little grating, Valspeak and all.

 

166 177: My point is when they start to wise up, don't cuss them out--welcome them. We all start out mushyheaded.

167 Hey, we made history votin' for the first, historic, kinda black guy.  Plus, when stoned, saying the dude's name cracked us all up.  ""barak, barak, barak".  Sounds kinda like the sound some foreign duck would make. Hehe.  Found a new shiny rock.  If you hold it right in the sun, it looks like the moon.  November 2 does not ring a bell. Pass the bong, man. 

168 You know what might make an interesting thread.  one that focused on changing a lib to a conservative.  Personal stories of enlightenment.  Suggestions of positive action at the one on one level.  What words or actions worked.  Did you change a lib to a conservative and how.  I put out signs hit the fund raisers and such but I would like more tools in my belt to make conversions.

169 Until I was 35 years old, I was quite uninformed most of the time about the political happenings of this nation, therefore liberal.  But then I sobered up and my ideals changed almost overnight.    

170

 You know what might make an interesting thread.  one that focused on changing a lib to a conservative.  Personal stories of enlightenment.  Suggestions of positive action at the one on one level.  What words or actions worked.  Did you change a lib to a conservative and how.  I put out signs hit the fund raisers and such but I would like more tools in my belt to make conversions.

 

No beatings????

171

181

Make conversions by talking about the issues without using labels like "right," "left," "conservative," or "liberal." 

When I first got internet I read all kinds of sites not knowing whether they were left or right. I kept gravitating back to what was the right/libertarian ones over time.

Many young people think they're liberal by default. I did. It's what liberals have become is what has changed.

I didn't actually change. Political quizzes I took almost 20 years ago put me as "moderate libertarian."  Same-ish today.

172

You know what might make an interesting thread.  one that focused on changing a lib to a conservative

My wife voted for Al Gore before we met.  Now she's hard-core, 100%  down-the-line conservative. And it's all because I helped her put 2 and 2 together.

See, she's a traditionalist with conservative values. But in her 20's she was a low-information voter who just picked the cooler, younger guy that the media said was the better pick.

Converting her just took me showing her how her existing values connected with conservative ideology.

Also, I had to walk her through media bias 101. She actually thought that they were straight shooting truth tellers.

Why? Because she's honest and expects others to be. Why wouldn't someone whose job it is to be neutral not behave that way professionally?

She's a smart cookie, but very naive. Or was. Not so much since she ran into my cynical, grumpy self.

I'm currently working on my brother-in-law who voted for Obama. He's a Democrat in the same way someone becomes a Cowboys fan because he grew up in Texas and his dad was a Cowboys fan.

But he has some conservative leanings. So what I do is push all the hot button stuff that gets him worked up. Like pointing out how much gets taken out of his check to the government can go waste it on useless bullshit.

He also has an anti-authority streak, so I always point out how the government is up his ass all the time.

But I almost never use the words Republicans and Democrats.

It's a process.

173

They voted for Obama because of the color of his skin.  They're racists with short attention spans and a need for instant gratification.  Now they're racists that care about their place in the bad economy, still having short attention spans and a need for instant gratification.  If they don't get that instant gratification soon after the GOP takes back the house... they'll flip again because of their short attention spans.

Shallow is as shallow does.  Hope I'm wrong.

174

Being certified old fart material, I can dredge me up some stories.  Sit down and listen you whippersnappers.  I was in a Catholic grade school when Kennedy was elected President.  The Nuns were ecstatic and their mood was passed on to the kids.  Being 9, I was happy to see the nuns ecstatic and supported Kennedy.  I fancied myself a conservative none the less.  I supported Nixon.  I was in bootcamp in 68 and only 18 so I couldn't vote.  I, being a dumbass, actually volunteered for Vietnam for the first 2 years of my enlistment. When they suspended Bombing the North I knew we weren't planning on winning that war and quit voluntering, so naturally that's when I got sent.  I was in Okinawa when Nixon froze prices to "Combat" inflation.  When I came home and went to college I got a clue about how stupid and unpatriotic the left was.  Then I became more acquainted with how we fucked up the Bay of Pigs invasion.  No more PT109 hero worship for JFK.  Thanks for his service but he was an elitist, skirt chasing philanderer, drugged up on prescription meds and paved the way for unions to get their nose under the government tent.  Also, I found out how badly Nixon's price freezes screwed the pooch back home on supply and demand.  I wasn't aware Nixon was the president who pushed thru the EPA and ADA untill 20 or so years later.  I was really scared for our country when the Peanut Farmer was elected in spite of my vote.  I can fairly say Carter is the reason I could never be a Democrat.  Reagan is the reason I am a conservative. 

 Now I have the years of perspective under my belt to fully appreciate the law of unintended consequences.  While being a nice and charitable person I hate that govenment is trying to take over that role.

175

 Not all of them are drones, some are just morons.

 

Hey!!!

176 Blame the college kids if you must for being apathetic, but don't throw Obama on us.  My demographic doesn't vote enough to have an effect.  Look at some of the ill-informed middle-class, middle-aged Americans who just voted for who they saw on the nightly news, I think they deserved the lions share of the blame.

177 You're kidding when you say you are only 29, right?

178 My change over was after I was a CASA [court appointed special advocate] for kids "in the system" for abuse/neglect. I saw concrete consequences for all of the government programs and do-overs- the complete breakdown of the two-parent family, self-responsibility and how "fairness" is only a real concept when you are 3 years old and even-steven is enforced by Mom when she pours juice.

Where this country is now is the culmination of the policies started by Woodrow Wilson.

179

186 Same story with my husband except he ran around with a bunch of libtards in college who ran down Reagan of all people. While he was doing that I was taking the young democrat bus to vote for Jesse Helms and laughing all the way there and back. Now, he's to my right. I also flipped my parents, my sister and brother in law, some friends and a couple of neighbors.

Showing them the media bias is the strongest argument. Once they realize they've been manipulated they usually flip. You have to do it like you're taming a screw though, simple and easy, no loud noises.

180

193 We've been over this before and he is not 29. He's older but likes to say, "I'll be 29 in November". I don't get the joke but he does.

181

Their futures are so fucked. They are going to live in smaller houses, drive shitty cars and pay taxes until they bleed all because they fell for the Madison Avenue candidate. Plus they are going to borrow obscene amounts of money to go to some middle level college that no one ever heard of, and thanks to the new law, they are going to be stuck paying off their loans until they are 55 years old.

 

Yeah, it's good, isn't it? Vote for him again, retards! Bwahahaha!

182

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Fuck you, you little dipshit. I don't even come close to giving a shit personally about you..

I do. I care about him very much. I want him to cry himself to sleep for the next forty years, thinking how his life is a shit buffet, and it's all you can eat. Yum yum, numbnuts.

183 183 I meant Clinton. I keep mixing up my failed Democratic presidents, there are so many of them.

184 That vibe they're feeling has nothing to do with the republicans, its Obama/Pelosi/Reid short stroking their squeak holes.

185 “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

It doesn't matter even if he votes all-Republican in the next election, because he's still a dumbass.

186 We should be careful how we treat these young Obamaniacs who are now regretting their vote. Bash them and they will stay liberal. Woo them and you create new, young conservatives for the future.

187 We've been over this before and he is not 29. He's older but likes to say, "I'll be 29 in November". I don't get the joke but he does.

I don't get it either.

188

Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon.

Yeah, that's a euphemism for "The few conservative buddies I have left who aren't disgusted by my metrosexual worthlessness have been giving me crap on Facebook and Twitter, and I have no response that doesn't make me feel like a filthy prostitute."

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

Typical dimwit college undergrad logic--"Who's going to serve as my political mommy and allow me to extend my emotional adolescence a few more years?"

I know commenters here have remarked how Gen Yers and Millenials have had their futures mortgaged by the government and Obama's subprime-style leadership, but quite frankly, I have trouble feeling sorry for them. 

They wanted Obama as president and they got him--and not because of his qualifications, but for the same reason that our society as a whole has degenerated into bullshit Oprah-fied "self-esteem" decadence.  It was so these tards could give themselves a pat on the back and give themselves a big hug for supporting the "first black president."  It was NEVER about improving our country, it was all about THEM and their superficial attitudes.  And now they have buyer's remorse because they're finding out that their celebrity-worshipping mindset has screwed them for a generation? 

Yeah, it sucks that most of these kids will face a job market that increasingly has no room for them.  It sucks that our so-called "leaders" have been playing extend and pretend with the economy for 40 years.  But you know what?  That's THEIR fault and THEIR PARENTS' fault for not demanding better, and allowing politicians to get away with promising them something for nothing, or that "someone else" will pay for.

The philosophy of parasitic socialism, in place ever since the original wolf in Santa clothing, FDR, came into office, is now coming around to bite us all in the ass.  Can't say conservatives didn't warn 'em.

189 I was a democrat until  Mr. Peanut finally made me see the error of my ways.  In fact,  when I went to my 20th high school reunion no one could believe I had voted for Reagan.

In higih school,  I was that annoying liberal gal who argued about everything and thought if only people would see things correctly they would agree with me.  I voted for McGovern in my first election.

What woke me up?  The misery years of Carter,  which I have described in detail here before.   When Reagan came along,  things were so bad I thought, "Why not vote forReagan?  At least he won't be EMBARRASSING and maybe we can refinance our mortgage for something less than 17%."

Reagan was a wonderful man who had a lot of good ideas which I was surprised I agreed with.  Plus,  he liked the American people.

So to our young man who speaks of "vibes,"  welcome to the real world,  where people speak the truth and are generally happier,  because they don't spend their days looking for grievances.

190

Posted by: someone else at September 03, 2010 05:56 PM (csCCS)

FDR got lucky enough to be in a time when the GOP was at it's worst branding itself (the GOP of the 30s and 40s make today's look like fucking geniuses) and a time when the world was experimenting w/ socialism and liberalism which would ultimately lead to the 60s and 70s downward spiral that lead to the conservative alignment of the late 60s and the Reagan revolution of the 80s, all the way up to the Republican revolution of the 90s and then Dubya screwed the momentum up w/ "compassionate conservatism" which allowed Dems to lie themselves into office and fuck us all

And there you have it, a succint history of the past 80 years

191 Bash them and they will stay liberal.

Fuck 'em. Real conservatives (and grownups, for that matter) will admit their mistakes instead of avoiding responsibility for bad decisions they've made.

192

As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November), it heartens me that so many of my Generation Z'ers are seeing the light.
-Ace

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*gasp*

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

193 heh 29... i stole that schtick (mumblemumble) years ago

194

Fuck 'em. Real conservatives (and grownups, for that matter) will admit their mistakes instead of avoiding responsibility for bad decisions they've made.

THEY AREN"T REAL CONSERVATIVES YET. Do you really think real conservatives are born? Do you really? It's a learning process.

THEY AREN'T REALLY GROWN UP YET, EITHER. You don't like that, because in your day kids were grown up at 13 or whatever? Well, sorry, things have changed.

It's sad. So many of you would turn away people who are very likely to seek out this blog. (And I don't mean trolls; I mean real people who are just starting to wise up. I have known many of them. I am married to one. And there are literally millions of them).

And you wonder why you lose elections.

I'm not saying become a RINO; I'm saying just don't be an asshole.

 

195

 Also, I found out how badly Nixon's price freezes screwed the pooch back home on supply and demand.  I wasn't aware Nixon was the president who pushed thru the EPA and ADA untill 20 or so years later. 

Just as Demunist fools can wise up young people into voting Republican, RINOs can disillusion young people into voting Democrat. See Carter, Jimmy, Clinton, Bill, and Obama, Barack Hussein.

196

THEY AREN'T REALLY GROWN UP YET, EITHER. You don't like that, because in your day kids were grown up at 13 or whatever? Well, sorry, things have changed.

Sorry, not buying it.  These are grown-ass men and women, by any cultural standard.  Just because their parents and teachers have enabled their emotional immaturity doesn't mean everyone else needs to as well.

197

Sorry, not buying it.  These are grown-ass men and women, by any cultural standard.  Just because their parents and teachers have enabled their emotional immaturity doesn't mean everyone else needs to as well.

Duh, of course you shouldn't enable their emotional immaturity, but you had better *make allowance for it* when trying to persuade them.

Because you have to persuade them.

Of course, The Real World Effects will work steadily in your favor, *if you will only let them*.

But these people aren't signing on for boot camp.

And politics will always be an all-volunteer fight.

So ditch the D.I. growl.

198 As a near-Millennial myself, now 29 years old (well, I will be 29 in November), it heartens me that so many of my Generation Z'ers are seeing the light.

Ace, that's a train.  Get off the tracks!

199 I'm about to turn 40 (shudders). Have been conservative since I was 10 and Reagan was running against Carter. Have been able to see my age-peers grow up and gain wisdom. Just keep throwing out the John McClaine line: "Welcome to the party, pal!"

200 That's some crappy spam there.

201 What was that Churchill quote...if you aren't a liberal at 18 you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative by 30 you have no brain. Or something. Well, in spite of our fisting-before-alphabets public education system, it seems people are quickly developing brains. It's probably more of a survival mechanism than anything, at this point.

202 I'm 40-sumptin and finishing my bs from 1982 (holy fuck!). I was in class in Nov. 2008 when bho was elected and my prof nearly wet himself thanking the class. It was em-bar-ras-sing. He is basically a good guy who is a flower child from the 60's. I was embarrassed for him because I knew this day would come. Kum bay ya mother-fucka.

203 Do you really think real conservatives are born? Do you really?

Can't speak all the way back to the exact moment of birth, but I never bought into the leftist tripe.

All that aside, if people like Stricker wanna dance around the fact that they fucked up, well, that's up to them. If and when they face up to the truth then they'll be worth a second look, but not before then.

204

I don't want 'caring' conservatives, or compassionate conservatives. We tried that and it's nearly ruined the country.

This is chance to permanently capture voters by doing the right thing. Act like conservatives and BE conservatives. It only works everytime we've actually tried it.

The (R)s better not screw this up. This is their last chance.

205 The (R)s better not screw this up. This is their last chance.

I have this sneaky suspicion that they'll manage to do just that.

206

"like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats"

Once again, voting with emotions and not reasoning. The key word is "care" (, again, as usual). I'm fine if it works in our favor, but voting on emotions is infantile and counter productive. It's also a flag in the wind and therefore unreliable as it has no rational basis so it's subject to change on a whim.

A more appropriate verbal indicator for the health of the country would have been words that indicate an understanding of economics, Lord of the Flies Syndrome, demographics, etc. and how each party makes these better or worse for the country.

But then, what do I know.

207 great post Ace. i am surprised what a young'un you are (again!). For some reason I always mentally put you in Gen X where I am. My daughter is a millenial (21). God Bless them. She does not vote! I know shocking. A way to rebel against Mom methinks.

Anywho glad to see so many of the Gen right behind Gen X are working so hard for the country :0)

Ace, if you were a lib Dem, and you are 29 now, and left Lib Demness during Big Dawg yrs, how long were you a Dem? 2 yrs? NTTAWWT :0)

208 As someone in college, I can tell ya there has been something of a shift. A number of my friends eagerly voted for Obama in '08 and thought he could do no wrong. Now? Whenever the subject comes up, I hear "He's not doing what he said he would" or "He's not being very transparent" or so forth. Whenever I hear all that, I just laugh and say, "You believed a politician was telling the truth while he was begging for your vote? Welcome to the real world."

209 #142, I knew a lot of WWII guys who admitted they didn't raise their kids well. "After what we'd been through, we spoiled them" was something I heard a lot.

I ended up with a lot of boxes. "My kids and grandkids won't take care of this when I'm gone."

210 Can someone fill me in on Ace's "I'm 29" gag?  I've noticed it a few times, but my reading has been spotty lately.

211 Ace can be 29, he just has to state that he has several years of experience at being 29.  Don't you just love semantics.

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