March 25, 2010
— Ace However, Republicans got a few small parliamentary objections in, and so the bill is not identical to the form passed by the House. The House will have to re-vote-- though I don't think that's such a big political hit for them. They already took 99% of the damage they're going to take.
Regressives are already agitating to take that opportunity to add the public option back into the plan.
But Democratic Senators aren't very enthusiastic about that... yet.
Democratic senators have expressed little enthusiasm for adding a public option to the health care reform fix-it bill that is expected to pass the Senate on Thursday before a final vote in the House."Not in this bill, because we can't make any substantive changes, but down the road we will be debating that," Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) told the Huffington Post.
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A list of Republican amendments shot down by DEMOCRATS in the reconciliation process:
Senator Gregg: Protect Medicare Savings
Senator McCain: Remove Sweetheart Deals
Senator Crapo: No Tax Hikes for Families Earning Less Than $250,000
Senator Enzi: Strike the Employer Mandate
Senator Barrasso: Requires Legislation Not Increase Premiums
Senator Grassley: Requires President, Congress Enroll in Exchange
Senator Alexander: Reduce Student Loan Interest Rate
Senator Hutchinson: State Opt Out
Senator Hatch: Block Medicare Advantage Cuts
Senator Cornyn: Remove New Taxes On Investments
Senator Inhofe: Protect Pediatrics and Disabled from Medical Devise Tax
Senator Collins: Waive Employer Mandate Tax
etc... (There's more. see NRO's the corner.)
All. Shot. Down.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 25, 2010 10:28 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: runningrn at March 25, 2010 10:31 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Pinch hitting for that guy who says en fuego at March 25, 2010 10:32 AM (RD7QR)
OT:
that is where to get tickets for the Tea Party Express in Nevada for this Saturday. I got mine! Coulter is keynote speaker!
Posted by: rightzilla at March 25, 2010 10:33 AM (rVJH4)
Posted by: This is Candygram...Plumber...Landshark at March 25, 2010 10:33 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 25, 2010 10:34 AM (I1/U/)
Posted by: This is Candygram...Plumber...Landshark at March 25, 2010 10:35 AM (z37MR)
That is exactly what the jugeared jackass promised Komrad Kacinich. This is just the first step in nationalizing health care.
That is why it is vital for fullbore repeal and NOT some half ass shit that some of the RINOs are calling for.
Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2010 10:35 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 25, 2010 10:39 AM (RZ8pf)
#10 Yep, this was Phase 1. Phase 2 is when everybody starts dumping their employees' coverage and then the call for the public option will get louder.
I'm afraid in the end, there will be only chaos.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at March 25, 2010 10:39 AM (9hSKh)
Nelson was one, who were the other 2?
Nelson
Blanch Lincoln
Mark Pryor
Hypocrites attempting to save their sorry asses.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 25, 2010 10:40 AM (0fzsA)
Message for Stupak:
Congressman Stupak, you are the hair around a dog's anus. You are the fecal matter found under the toilet bowl rim. I hope a fly flies in your mouth, someday, and takes a shit on your tongue and then jerks off on your front teeth. Have a good day.
Posted by: This is Candygram...Plumber...Landshark at March 25, 2010 10:40 AM (z37MR)
Don't trust democrats. They will add the public option if there is any way.
The problem is - reconciliation wasn't meant for a total bill change.
But that won't stop corrupt rule-breaking dems from doing it.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 25, 2010 10:41 AM (0fzsA)
Nelson was one, who were the other 2?
Nelson
Blanch Lincoln
Mark Pryor
Hypocrites attempting to save their sorry asses.
Hopefully, they'll still get run out of town on a rail. I really hope that the crazy, moonbat left comes after these douchers in the Primary.
Posted by: runningrn at March 25, 2010 10:41 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: This is Candygram...Plumber...Landshark at March 25, 2010 10:41 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 10:43 AM (NA96o)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 25, 2010 10:43 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: nickless at March 25, 2010 10:45 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 10:47 AM (NA96o)
Well I already stocked up on feminine protection products in case of the apocalypse, so I guess I have something for the black market as well.
p.s. If we call it the "black market" is that racist?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 25, 2010 10:49 AM (RZ8pf)
This process is making me ill.
I'm pretty sure you're a racist/violent extremist/Eric Cantor for getting sick after this legislation has made everyone healthy.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 25, 2010 10:50 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: big_pale at March 25, 2010 10:52 AM (DNczs)
Stupak, you swim in Pelosi's vaginal leakage. You bathe in Obama's piss. I've scraped better shit than you off the bottom of my shoe.
Posted by: This is Candygram...Plumber...Landshark at March 25, 2010 10:52 AM (z37MR)
The PC term would the Alternatively Sourced Products market.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 10:54 AM (NA96o)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 02:47 PM (NA96o)
PA, ---- I'd love to see an ONT devoted to this. This is the American spirit on steroids and true self-reliance. Was it you who mentioned this once before in regards to some tiny commie country that had a thriving black market? I recall someone mentioning a few tricks they had up their sleeves.
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 10:54 AM (LKkE8)
IOWA CITY, Iowa – President Barack Obama mocked Republicans' campaign to try to repeal his new health care law, saying Thursday they should "Go for it" and see how well they fare with voters.
"Be my guest," Obama said in prepared remarks for the first of many appearances around the country to sell the overhaul to voters before the fall congressional elections. "I welcome that fight. Because I don't believe the American people are going to put the insurance industry back in the driver's seat."
Good thing we have an adult and not a petulant teenager in the White House. Or is it the other way around?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 25, 2010 10:54 AM (1Jaio)
The Senate version Ogabe signed and lot of voting record ammunition come November.
The public will just love that they voted to keep subsidizing Viagra for sex offenders. That vote alone, promoted properly, gives us the chance to run the table in the Senate.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 10:57 AM (NA96o)
Well I already stocked up on feminine protection products in case of the apocalypse, so I guess I have something for the black market as well.
p.s. If we call it the "black market" is that racist?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 25, 2010 02:49 PM (RZ8pf)
PGiS -- Liquor, esp. the staples like whiskey, gin, vodka and rum -- will be getting good trades. You also can't go wrong with TP and bags of rice and beans.
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 10:57 AM (LKkE8)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 25, 2010 10:57 AM (r7tiD)
"I welcome that fight. Because I don't believe the American people are going to put the insurance industry back in the driver's seat."
Ahem.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 25, 2010 10:58 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 25, 2010 02:58 PM (RZ8pf)
That's what I thought. An "asp" is a snake right? Or am I thinking of an adder?
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 11:01 AM (LKkE8)
Nelson was one, who were the other 2?
Nelson's a whore - plain and simple. He only voted against it this time because he knew it would pass without his vote. Total bullshit and designed soley to give him some cover when he comes up for re-election in 2012.
He thinks were dumb enough to fall for it. Not likely. Come 2012 I'll mortgage the house if I have to get this asshat thrown out on his ear. When his vote mattered, he sold us out. That's all people need to know about Ben Nelson.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 25, 2010 11:01 AM (e8T35)
Every communist country has/had a thriving black market and big underground economies. They have to. Its the only way people can survive.
Comrade Hugo has already accused food producers of holding back and selling on the black market to avoid his price controls.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 25, 2010 11:01 AM (NA96o)
You're right, an asp is a snake. It's the kind Cleopatra used to kill herself. I think.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 25, 2010 11:03 AM (gofDd)
These bastards have already pivoted. It's amazing how many lefties are already admitting that this piece of sh*t bill will fail.
Their solution: single-payer. Big f**king surprise.
The GOP HAS TO COME UP with a coherent, free market alternative NOW.
This monstrosity is going down hard, and if the GOP doesn't push for total reform (see Paul Ryan), the Democrats are going to fill the vacuum with single-payer.
Posted by: stickety at March 25, 2010 11:05 AM (cEXzj)
You know who some of the smartest guys are when it comes to ASP stuff? Garage mechanics. I know one who I'd say is a certifiable genius. If he can keep tax revenue out of Uncle Sugar's hands, he comes up with his own products.
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 11:08 AM (LKkE8)
I hope that the R's remember this when they are back in the majority in the Senate. Reconciliation is wide open now. It might as well not be there.
Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2010 11:09 AM (QrA9E)
The GOP HAS TO COME UP with a coherent, free market alternative NOW.
This monstrosity is going down hard, and if the GOP doesn't push for total reform (see Paul Ryan), the Democrats are going to fill the vacuum with single-payer.
Posted by: stickety at March 25, 2010 03:05 PM (cEXzj)
I think the GOP's problem is they don't have a strong leader. Too many chief wannabes. They need a Palin or an Allen West type to show everyone why a certain strategy would work, rally them and keep them from getting wobbly.
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 11:10 AM (LKkE8)
This monstrosity is going down hard, and if the GOP doesn't push for total reform (see Paul Ryan), the Democrats are going to fill the vacuum with single-payer. Posted by: stickety at March 25, 2010 03:05 PM (cEXzj)
Could be that was their plan all along. They've been planning this shit for decades, and I put nothing past them.
Posted by: Steph at March 25, 2010 11:13 AM (riZEn)
Posted by: Leftist libtard at March 25, 2010 11:17 AM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Catbert077 at March 25, 2010 11:20 AM (SZdlt)
Blanch Lincoln
Mark Pryor
Hypocrites attempting to save their sorry asses.
Dumbasses. This makes us even more angry. Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.
Posted by: Lando Calrissian at March 25, 2010 11:28 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 25, 2010 11:28 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: RushBabe at March 25, 2010 03:10 PM (LKkE
Speaking of West, what has he been up to? We need a fire-breather and he would definitely fit the bill.
Posted by: ErikW at March 25, 2010 11:29 AM (8jHAW)
Posted by: dogfish at March 25, 2010 11:29 AM (GQwdV)
the Parlimentarian specifically did not rule on all of the current raised GOP points ... the House may be voting on a bill that will again be changed in the Senate ...
there may be other points specifically not yet raised that may also cause the bill to change ...
hopefully the GOP kept their powder dry and have addition challenges for when the bill returns to the Senate ...
Posted by: Jeff at March 25, 2010 11:34 AM (FDdKZ)
If the reconciliation just now passes the Senate, then what did Oclown sign the other day?
I think it was the property title of the White House. It's a return favor for the book that Chavez gave him down in 'Zuela.
Posted by: ErikW at March 25, 2010 11:34 AM (8jHAW)
"Not in this bill, because we can't make any substantive changes, but down the road we will be debating that," Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) told the Huffington Post.
Down the road there won't BE any debate....if they have their way. And they do for now.
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2010 11:39 AM (zMVot)
PA, ---- I'd love to see an ONT devoted to this. This is the American spirit on steroids and true self-reliance. Was it you who mentioned this once before in regards to some tiny commie country that had a thriving black market? I recall someone mentioning a few tricks they had up their sleeves.
Maybe not for during the chaos but have definitely been considering plans for a bomb shelter (1950's style). With a small crew I could probably put in 3/wk up until next November--at that point I would hope there would no long be a need,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but
Posted by: Carednek at March 25, 2010 11:54 AM (onuG5)
Posted by: Christian at March 25, 2010 12:01 PM (Lgc/F)
Posted by: Christian
I was wondering the same thing myself. And what the hell happened to all our predictions that the Senate would promptly trash reconciliation because the Dems have no motive to change their own bill?
Posted by: arhooley at March 25, 2010 12:10 PM (aWN75)
That was for the 2700 page bill. If the Dems had tried with that they could have.
That is why they went all out for the House to pass the Senate bill then make a "new" bill that was much shorter for reconciliation.
Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2010 12:18 PM (QrA9E)
This is what I've been wondering all morning. For a deliberative body they sure seem to have jammed this through quickly. I thought they were supposed to attach stuff to every line in the thing.
Posted by: kurtilator at March 25, 2010 12:34 PM (juh4Z)
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Make it more expensive, oh holy democrats! Add more punitive taxation! Prove you hate us, democrats!
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 25, 2010 10:27 AM (0fzsA)