1 Folk You!

2 Somebody remind me why this is important........

3 Who the fuck is Will Folks? And why should I care?

4

This isn't dodging; this is being coy, and deliberately so, telegraphing the fact you are being coy, more or less sitting there with a big shit-eating grin as he effectively communicates "Yeah it happened, aren't I big playah?"

Ayup.  Well said.

5 If Folks announces that he's a Democrat right now, he might survive this.

6 So, what's the current analysis of this situation?  Total hoax or is there some substance somewhere to this dweeb's story?

7 So I went on vacation and all this Will Folks stuff has been popping up? What the shit is it about?

8 Integrity?  Class?  Common Decency? Dignity?

Yeah, I fucked them all.  Long and hard, but I am not going to talk about that anymore.

9 Attention whore.  He'll get his 15 minutes and be gone.

10

I'm hoping that the longer he drags this out, the more he implicates himself in some activity that can be remedied by a lawsuit, (i.e. for harassment). I know Haley is in the middle of an election and therefore not inclined to direct too much energy to this POS, but at some point he needs to pay the piper.

He is engaging in media-enabled stalking and abuse.

11 Let's just say, when my daughter asked me "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?" I answered, "Yes, yes I did.  Long and hard, but I will speak of it no more, Dear."

12 Ya gotta admit, the ol' coon dog has dragged this out but good. However, it looks like Erick is about to bring the hammer down on him. I suspect that Palin will join in before this is over.

13 This guy needs someone to punch him in the face. A good salutary nose breaking would straighten him right the fuck out.

14 Right now, I'm betting on a combination of a rumor, a jerk, and a woman that would rather not report a grope or 'inartful' advance. her success gives this old rumor tangible value, for the perv, the hack reporter, the Dems and her Republican opponents. The fact that larger outlets haven't touched this, especially after the Palin connection was made, leads me to believe that the perv brings serious baggage to the party.

15 The only proven way to defend a married woman's honor is to claim you've banged her.

16 The Free Times is nothing more than one of those free "alternative" newspapers like Creative Loafing in Atlanta or the Independent here in the greater Raleigh area...it's given away at bars and similar places.  2/3 of it is nothing but what band is playing at what dive this weekend and personals for "men seeking transgendered llamas" or similar shit.  It's completely slanted to the left both editorially and news-wise, I used to live in Columbia and read it many times and no Republican or conservative EVER caught a fair shake even in their "hard" news articles.  The only good thing that was ever in it was Michael Graham's column in the late '90s, before he hit the big time and got on the radio up in Boston. 

I wouldn't trust any political "news" from the Free Times any further than I could kick Will Folks' gigantic swollen head. 

The one on top of his body, you sickos, not the one he's bragging about right now.

17 Ok, ok.

Folks is a Prepubescent douche who MIGHT have gotten laid, once.

I can't stand guys like this. 

Can we stop the Folks posts?  This has nothing to do with 'Smart military' :-)

18 Never trust anyone who shaves their head.  It is obvious they have serious insecurity issues.

19 Never trust anyone who shaves their head.  It is obvious they have serious insecurity issues.

Posted by: crosspatch

Broad brushstroke there, I daresay.

20 so should or shouldn't the people still look for another candidate?


Also, Mark Hammil saying no more Joker after Arkham Asylum 2 sucks ass

21 ace:

At some point Occam's Razor intercedes.  All this guy's actions can be summed up by simply saying "he's not lying about any of it."

He didn't deny it because, maybe, it isn't something he can deny.  Maybe he isn't the amazing liar you seem to think he is.

The rumors are that someone had pictures of them together.  Witnesses had seen her SUV at his townhouse at all hours.  Both of them had apparently told people about it (and not as in leaking it, but as in bragging about it like idiots do).

So he is either an amazing liar and an incredible orchestrator (going back a year) of a meticulously set up hoax.  One where he somehow got her campaign to make fairly incriminating non-denials right up to the end and where he tricked several news sources into investigating him.  And where he puts his entire credibility FULLY on the line.  And for what?  Because one of two or three other Republican candidates wanted her out of the way?  How much would that even be worth? 

Or he simply did have the affair.  And everything he has said about it is true.

 This story was coming out.  The Free Times story was obviously not written in three hours.  They had quotes from numerous on the record sources.  It's quite possible he felt he needed to come clean not for her sake but for his.  He's been a supporter of hers in the primary.  To find out he's been screwing her doesn't look good for him, either.

ace, if you were supporting a candidate on this blog while you were sleeping with her, do you think that would reflect well on you if it came out?  From a journalistic standpoint, isn't that something your readers would have liked to know while you were trashing her opponents?

22

If he was really trying to protect her honor, wouldn't he have just outright lied?

 

He could have said "no comment. You wish to rerun an old rumor so that you can throw a four way primary? that's your editor's decision"  and then hung up. The fact that he stayed on the line and allowed this jerk several bites at the apple proves that he wants attention, not doing the right thing.

23 21 Never trust anyone who shaves their head.  It is obvious they have serious insecurity issues.

Posted by: crosspatch at May 27, 2010 02:34 PM (ZbLJZ)

What?

24 "Can we stop the Folks posts?  This has nothing to do with 'Smart military' :-)

Posted by: MelodicMetal at May 27, 2010 02:33 PM (x4S2a)"

Why is it that you're using a proxy?

25 Somebody remind me why this is important........ This is a redistricting year, control of the statehouses and governorships determines Congressional districts for the next decade. Gerrymandering determines the base level of support for each party in the house, plus or minus a few convictions, scandals, etc. These races matter.

26 Oh look, our resident waterhead has shown up.

27 The SLUG has spakeith. Now fuck off.

28 I thought Will Folks was going to publish some emails that proved his wild claims. Wonder what happened to that? Maybe he lied about it.

29 There is speculation in the Redstate comments that Erickson maybe holding this to break on CNN -- that would give a mighty punch. Who knows?

30 Moose4, why do you have the same hash as me?

31 WF: I’ve been asked whether I’ve had sex with Jenny Sanford, whether I’ve had sex with Mark Sanford; I’ve been asked whether I’ve had sex with … you name ‘em in state politics. I mean s#!t, I’m going to be at the Sarah Palin thing tomorrow, I’ll probably be asked at some point … you know, for some reason people throw my name out there all the time, you know, and I get that because I throw other peoples’ names out there all the time, so I get that. If you are going to write a story and you want a comment from me, my comment is, “No comment.” I’m just not going to comment for your story.


Yeah because this guy is so hot the first thing everyone thinks  about who he slept with.  I hope he avoids schools and zoos.

32 There is speculation in the Redstate comments that Erickson maybe holding this to break on CNN -- that would give a mighty punch. Who knows?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 02:43 PM (8x3SC)

This is going to break alot of leftys and media commies harts if it's true. Nothing better than flaming some SC asswipe on national tv for making up shit and selling it.

33 robtr

Yeah and then his site did a bit on how Haley was hiding behind privacy laws or some such suppressing their release knowing I guess that his type of reader wouldn't be able to put 2 and 2 together.

34 complete douchebag.

35 Yeah and then his site did a bit on how Haley was hiding behind privacy laws or some such suppressing their release knowing I guess that his type of reader wouldn't be able to put 2 and 2 together.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 02:46 PM (8x3SC)

Once you send something to someone else unless it's your attorney you don't have any privacy laws.

36 EC, check behind the couch.

37

No dog food, a down on his luck consultant who got canned by the other person in the rumor doesn't have to worry about "looking good". This was already covered. He was single. Even if photographs exist of a parked car, he worked for her and others at the time. Does this mean that parking in front of a colleague's house is evidence of some sordid activity? Especially since political work usually HAS to take place after business hours? The only proof of a 'physical relationship' would be verifible correspondence, photographs of said relationship, or someone saying "yup, we went at it like mad dogs in the street." The only way that #1 or #3 will appear would be if the two targets provided them. Photographs are the same, unless someone wants to take credit for peeping in a window or theft.

 

If sick Willie wanted this to stay quiet, he could deny it and watch this rag repeat a rumor or at worst, present stolen evidence.

38

In summation, cock.

39 You know who paid Will Folks?  It was Will Folks.

40

Erick wants to confirm that the Birfers are behind it, but he'll have to ban himself from his own blog if he mentions them.

Conundrum!

41 We are at the "pics or it didn't happen" point?

42

Ace, why are you wasting valuable bandwidth on this stupid story?  There is so much more important stuff going on!  The Fight is on!  We need to stay focused!  The First Lady's assault on junkfood, and Mayor Bloomberg's nanny state dictates on salt will result in a loss of limb and life--and most importantly, Cheetos!  Arise all you smart, action oriented commenters!  We must stand up against this oppression!  Who stands in teh gap with me!  Onward warriors!  Currahee!

43 Zuggs, not sure where you got your info, but Occam's razor merely states that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" and it applies to all sorts of things.

44

EC, check behind the couch.

Already did.  I've never used that alias here either, and I don't live in or come from SC like Moose4 seems to be.

Interesting...

45
"Long Black Veil"? Well, who the hell do you think they wrote that song about?

46 I know who paid Folks. I can't say yet either but I will say there the guy doing the paying seemed very concerned about  Haley's uterus.

47

ARRRGGHHHH!!! Rookie mistake, Ace!  Why are you covering this story?  ARRRRGGGHHHH it's all about me!

48 We are at the "pics or it didn't happen" point?

Posted by: Jean

 

I'd say yes.

49 "We know who did it"

Will Folks is the North Pole chicken phucker?

50 Rocks

You know what? I do feel sorry for the wife he lied about protecting because the way this douchbag is talking - and the creepy fantasy robot video he put together and all the rest -- is an abject embarrassment to her. I would in no way be upset to learn that my husband fooled around with a woman before we met/married whatever -- other than to learn possibly -what a douchbag my husband is to fool around with a married women and that would be partly determined on his behavior and conduct after if it had to be publicly revealed.

But this creep is out bragging, talking, laughing while his wife sits home watching this asshole?

Divorce papers.

51 Ace, I love, man...in a purely heterosexual way and all...but would you please STFU about this attention whore?

52

At some point Occam's Razor intercedes.  All this guy's actions can be summed up by simply saying "he's not lying about any of it."

Or he's lying about all of it except the existence of non-confirmatory communications.  I talked to Tom Coburn once.  Doesn't mean I had sex with him.  If I claim I did, that isn't the simplest (Occam's) explaination.

53

We know who did it"

Will Folks is the North Pole chicken phucker?

Posted by: John Galt

 

he does brag about slaying the chicks.

54 The 'Free Times" is an "alternative free weekly" reader. It has zero circulation outside of Columbia.  This is just more shit from Folks the asshole.

55

Ace, I love, man...in a purely heterosexual way and all...but would you please STFU about this attention whore?

It's fun.

56 #42

Actually technically Occam's razor says that plurality should not be invoked without necessity.    In other words it DOES say that the most simple (ie least complex) explanation is usually the right one.

57 It's just Levinson now.

58 The 'Free Times" is an "alternative free weekly" reader. It has zero circulation outside of Columbia.  This is just more shit from Folks the asshole.

Posted by: Vic

 

Oh joy. So the perv and the paper are wannabe players

59 Can we stop the Folks posts?  This has nothing to do with 'Smart military' :-)

Posted by: MelodicMetal at May 27, 2010 02:33 PM (x4S2a)

--I agree.  I can't muster any give-a-damn-ness.

60 --

Once you send something to someone else unless it's your attorney you don't have any privacy laws.

Posted by: robtr at May 27, 2010 02:48 PM (fwSHf)

----

Right. Hence the line about his readership --including lefts blogs and msm - not being able to put 2 and 2 together and write your line above. They just run with it -- Haley hiding! - w/out thinking it through.

61 >>>ace, if you were supporting a candidate on this blog while you were sleeping with her, do you think that would reflect well on you if it came out? From a journalistic standpoint, isn't that something your readers would have liked to know while you were trashing her opponents? Kind of but not really. First of all, in this situation, Folks was supposedly a Haley supporter, and hence, no readers were really "Tricked" into thinking he was objective. They might have not understood the backstory for his lack of objectivity, but none of them would have been deceived that he was objective. In your hypothetical, assuming it were possible for me to have sex with a woman (ridiculous in itself), my readers would not think I was objective and I trust that 98% would "get it" if it did come out (which it wouldn't) and realize that that's just not the sort of thing you share. Further, I don't believe it was about to come out. What might have come out was not "it" but rather the rumors that Will Folks himself peddled originally, earlier. Rumors he could deny and retract and just say, as Obama is going to say about Sestak, "He must have misunderstood what I meant." Or "I was talking about another woman; I'm not sure why he thought I meant Nikki Haley." You act yourself as if you've never white-lie-denied a hook-up with a woman. It's fairly easy I assure you (I assume...) and there is rarely a transcript or recording of these events. If Will Folks says "It didn't happen," how, exactly, does the story take off from there? Even if a claim about the rumors are published, how does the story actually go anywhere with everyone involved denying? You keep saying "I don't want to defend him" but it sure seems to me you're treating him like your New Big Hero. Funny that suddenly a Republican operative with a nasty little record is suddenly Joe Integrity when he can be used as catspaw to wound a much, much, much more important Republican.

62 oh so wait, are we mimicking another situation like this that occurred?  Is it that this guy isn't the one who is alleged to have had the affair with the female front runner old boy network buster.....is it one of his friends?

Are we doing the hair boy scenario....part deux?

Also, if there was anything to this don't you think the enquirer would have been out with something by now?

63 It's times like these when I miss the wisdom and tenderness of those stories between Che Che and his little daughter.

64 They should realize the person's name one letter at a time... shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks!

65 34 I have no idea.  If it's done by IP, I guess we work for the same place.

If not, then I guess we've traced the call, and the posting is coming from INSIDE YOUR HEAD!  GET OUT NOW, SIR!

66 Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 02:53 PM (8x3SC)

Were you answering something I asked?

67 One other thing. Regarding that second Red State story about Spratt's district possibly being up for grabs; don't hold your breath.

This is a heavily gerrymandered district across 14 counties and in 3 major media districts. It is almost impossible for a challenger from the Republican Party to take it. 

If a Republican does take it it means that the Democrat Party has basically folded up shop and should go home.

68 Look Lex,  I don't what the fuck your problem is..

I am AT WORK.  So whatever the router gives for my IP, is what I have.

The Norton 2010 install I have may have some "safe browsing" widget enabled, but STFW?

I post here to vent frustration at this embarrassing Admin, and for the occasional Boobies chat.

GET. BENT.

69

OT:  Warren RI town manager forces fire chief to remove "Tea Party" flag after receiving one complaint:  you will be gobsmacked when you see what this "Tea Party" flag looks like

http://tinyurl.com/3yevutc

 

70

 

everything long-time troll Seattle Slough wrote can be applied to Joe Sestak, yet SS is adamant Sestak and Obama are completely innocent.

Weird, eh?

71 Free Times is the biggest pile of liberal shit in print. I only read it for the News of the Weird and the call-in rant section. And the escort phone numbers... They used to at least have a single conservative viewpoint each week, but culled it.

72 You know what kills me?  People who comment on a thread bitching about the topic the blog guy chose to post.

The internet is kinda big,  Go somewhere else for a day or two.

73 vic, how about redistricting Spratt out?

74 49 is right about Ockham's Razor.  The usual Latin formulation is entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which is translated just as Damn Skippy says it is.  Try here for learned commentary.

75 ace,

Since the troll sort of broached it....Nikki Haley:  Would YOU hit it?

76 The internet is kinda big,  Go somewhere else for a day or two.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

 

That's easy for you Mr. 'I can memorize more than one URL'.

77 You know what kills me?  People who comment on a thread bitching about the topic the blog guy chose to post.

The internet is kinda big,  Go somewhere else for a day or two.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2010 03:02 PM (ZESU0)

Heh, I was thinking the same thing. They might want to maybe go outside or something. Go for a walk maybe, buy some salt, the possibilities are endless.

78 Rocks
that little screed was spurned by this -

Posted by: Rocks at May 27, 2010 02:45 PM (Q1lie)

your comment just made think of his wife he was trying to protect but now humiliating her to death by know going on to be continual disgusting douchebag.

79

OT (mercifully)

The Zero plan for the National Guardsmen is the same do-nothing bullshit D&P show we expected it to be.

80

You know what? I do feel sorry for the wife he lied about protecting because the way this douchbag is talking - and the creepy fantasy robot video he put together and all the rest -- is an abject embarrassment to her.

Just like we all felt sorry for the wife of the grade school teacher who got busted sending SALACIOUS e-mails to one of his students. The girl was 13 years old, and he reeled her in by telling her he could get her to play in a band. (he was a music teacher.) The kid innocently asked her mom what some not-so-innocent words meant, and the next thing you know, a state cop is posing as the little girl in the internet chats with the perv.

Mrs. Folks has got herself exactly this kind of a loser. Except he's using fame and notoriety as the weapon, rather than internet porn.

81 9 Attention whore.  He'll get his 15 minutes and be gone.

I have a feeling that he will achieve eternal life in these pages, as we slice him like an f'n hammer on an integrity kick.

82

 

Ace posts about it becoz he loves it. He does it becoz he loves it.

 

83 My prediction:  The last pussy Folks had was around his neck.  And he likes the original Star Trek, because Uhura's skirts were shorter back then.

84 Come to me like a man, Ace, and axe me TO MY FACE if Will Folks is my bastard love-child with Jamie Gorelik.

85 81 Feds probably won't let it happen.  They gerrymandered up a speshul district for Jim Clyburn to ensure that he will be Congressjerk-for-Life...no reason to think that the Feds will let South Carolina redistrict another Democrat out of a job, with the Voting Rights Act as their hammer.  Not sure about the particulars, but I know a lot of jurisdictions (primarily Southern) have, in the past, had to run their redistricting plans by the Feds in the interest of preventing "discrimination."  In practice, what you end up with are districts like Clyburn's Sixth (and Spratt's to an extent) which are specifically drawn to be majority-minority, or more precisely, majority-Democrat.

86 Actually Ace, since SC state politics seems to be all about who has the most bedpost notches - maybe you should relocate from whatever sweater bound Northern city you live in for a month or so in October. Weather is good, water is warm, and the politicians are apparently mainlining Viagra.

87 Man, Folks don't know shizzle.  But Sic Willie does.  Come a little closer, and I'll whisper it into your ear.

88 Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 03:05 PM (8x3SC)

Oh so you were commenting on what I quoted. Got it.
I agree with you.

89 vic, how about redistricting Spratt out?

I expect some minor changes based on a small population increase but I don't expect much.  SC hasn't been growing that much because the economy here was shit before the big collapse.

SC has a "Northern State" problem. It is the highest taxed State in the SE so it is hard to get business to locate here even without the union environment.

90 Attention whore.  He'll get his 15 minutes and be gone.

I have a feeling that he will achieve eternal life in these pages, as we slice him like an f'n hammer on an integrity kick.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis

 

He shall join the pantheon of luminaries whose lives we were honored to dissect: Anita Dunn, Van Jones, Dr. Amy f***n' Bishop, Charles Gibson,  Bill Ayers. The list goes on.

91 71 It's times like these when I miss the wisdom and tenderness of those stories between Che Che and his little daughter.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 27, 2010 02:57 PM (WvXvd)-----

Listen to Obama Malia quotes to fill your void!

92 Rocks

Yes.

93 SC has a "Northern State" problem. It is the highest taxed State in the SE so it is hard to get business to locate here even without the union environment.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2010 03:09 PM (6taRI)

Well you've got Lindsay Graham, so you've got that.

94 Look, Will Folks isn't saying that he had an affair with Nikki Haley. All Will Folks is saying is that instead of hating the playa, you should be hating the game.

I don't see how he could be more clear.

95 WAY OT But..

Listening to In My Time of Dying being Covered by Zak Wylde.

Ho-ly

Shiet!

Zakk is the Man

96 SC has a "Northern State" problem. It is the highest taxed State in the SE so it is hard to get business to locate here even without the union environment.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2010 03:09 PM (6taRI)

Well you've got Lindsay Graham, so you've got that.

Posted by: robtr

 

Ouch.

97 When I left, international trade and BMW were going the save the state?

98 Uhhhh  Ace?

The um Zappos Ad looks like it's selling Slapdragons Girlfriend  IYKWIM..

99 Ace,

Have you slept with Gillibrand?....or Schumer?
Will  you deny that?
Did any hobos ever ask you if you did?

100 Ace,

Have you slept with Gillibrand?....or Schumer?
Will  you deny that?
Did any hobos ever ask you if you did?

Posted by: Rocks at May 27, 2010 03:13 PM (Q1lie)

I heard it was Didi Scrarsofomazio

101 Know who I been hittin'? Donna Brasile. No shit.

102 Ace,
  Will you go on record as stating that you had gratuitous ex with Hilary Clinton while she was a NY Senator is completely false?

103 a few years ago the rumors were hot and heavy that Rick Perry was going to being outed any day now for a homosexual affair. Oh, the young lefties were all excited, they were sure they had him dead to rights! The rumors were all over the state and the internets.

And . . .

But, they were so sure!! It had to be true, the hair, the cheerleader past, etc. it just had to be!

And . . . .

Same damn thing here.

104 O/T:  "daddy have you plugged the hole today"....

come on guys you have got to address that one, I could use a couple of laughs today....

105 I laugh at all this Occam's Razor BS.  If you wanted to apply the simplest solution just look at who stands to benefit from this the most.

First it is obvious that good old lying jackal Will Folks will have a short term benefit in the payoff he is getting.

Second who was in first place before Haley got the Palin endorsement and took off like a rocket and is now in second?  That would be McMaster who is a protege of the Graham/McCain set. Graham runs the Republican Party in this State and he HATES small government conservatives.

And I do hope Will Folks is not so stupid that he doesn't know that after this he will have to leave the State and change his name. As they used to say in the old cliche about Hollywood, "you'll never work in this town again sucker".

106 When I left, international trade and BMW were going the save the state?

I think this week, it's Boeing.

107 This jerk can't help himself.  Within enough time, he'll incriminate himself and the people who paid him.

108

 

I love my job. I love being a teacher so much I spend half my day bitiching and complaining about my pay and benefits.

The other half of my day is spent working with my union to elect Democrats.

I have no time to do what I love -- teach the children. And it's all your fault.

109 OT - Hey TN, how are you doing?

Tennessee Senate overrides governorÂ’s veto of guns-in-bars bill

NASHVILLE — State senators today voted to override Gov. Phil Bredesen’s veto of legislation that would let people with handgun-carry permits bring their guns into Tennessee bars and restaurants.

The 22-10 Senate vote sends the measure to the House, where representatives had approved the guns-in-bars bill on a 66-31 vote on May 5.

110

I love my job. I love being a teacher so much I spend half my day bitiching and complaining about my pay and benefits.

The other half of my day is spent working with my union to elect Democrats.

I have no time to do what I love -- teach the children. And it's all your fault.

Posted by: Teacher of the Year 2007 (nominee)

 

Lemme guess. You were Dog Food's (Seattle) mentor? it would explain a great deal.

111 come on guys you have got to address that one, I could use a couple of laughs today....

Posted by: curious at May 27, 2010 03:15 PM (p302b)

He tried but the first ship ran out of drilling mud. A second is on the way though

112

O/T:  "daddy have you plugged the hole today"....

come on guys you have got to address that one, I could use a couple of laughs today....

 

I did in an earlier thread but essentially it was like this:

"Malia, honey, Obviously I did it two times before..."

Barack Obama, First Father

113 BTW if anyone is asking did I ever have sex with Meagan Fox repeatedly I will have to go on record as having no comment. I just couldn't dignify such a statement with a comment.

114

Loser hitches cart to wrong horse (Sanford).

Horse dies.

Loser is suddenly unemployed.

Unemployed loser, lacking marketable skills, casts about for way to make a living. Has stupid inspiration; acts upon it.

 

115 Vic, I agree. I think she wins anyway and he has attacked Graham Barrett, a sitting congressman. If he is doing this for McMaster, and fails -- he is toast.

116 What are they voting on today?   How much money are they going to raise in taxes?

117 I thought I read the so-called original AP reporter who was in the texts and is supposedly been trying to track this down when reached about the text messages said he could not comment other than saying they would only print things that could be verified.

An important part of Slough's oscamming.

118 When I left, international trade and BMW were going the save the state?

I think this week, it's Boeing.

Yeah, the press and Columbia like to talk that up but for every BWM and Boeing (which really hasn't got off the ground yet) coming in, you have a bunch more going out or not coming.

There were many parts of the State with 15% unemployment BEFORE the collapse. And note, we didn't have a housing collapse in SC because we never had a housing boom.

And also, I suspect that both BMW and Boeing got substantial tax breaks for locating here. 

119 113 O/T:  "daddy have you plugged the hole today"....

Obama's plugged more than one type of hole IYKWIMAITYD. 

/Think Y-chromosome, NTTIAWWT.

120 A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.   Bet Ace has had some wild experiences with all the gorgeous cable chicks and have we heard about it?  no, cause ace is a gentleman.

121 If he is doing this for McMaster, and fails -- he is toast.

Posted by: Jean

 

I'd agree with an earlier comment. he is toast in ant event. The best he can hope for is an angry husband that exercises restraint and that the check from his boss clears the bank.

122

 

You know who might be a sneaky rat?

Andre Baugher, that's who.

123 I dug up his Hawaii birth certificate.  It says Will Smear Folks.

124

Moose4,

Yes, as far as I know it's done by IP and location (I think) so that means we work for the same place. 

Which building are you in?

125 who are these people anyway and why should I care?

126 vic, there are parts with a lot higher the 15%. Some of those rural, agricultural areas south of Charleston must have off-season rate approaching 50%.

127 #123 The world is kinda big,  Go somewhere else.

Like some prominent libs promised to do if BushHitler was reelected?

And if our system sucks so bad, find a Euro-socialist hell-hole of your liking and move there, left-tards.

128 You know who paid will folks? Seattle Slough

129 Shit happens....

130 Let's just say, when my daughter asked me "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?" I answered, "Yes, yes I did.  Long and hard, but I will speak of it no more, Dear."

Posted by: Will Folks at May 27, 2010 02:29 PM (ZESU0)

Yet another Carteresque moment.  Carter referenced his then twelve year old daughter (I think) Amy about the horrors of nuclear war.  Amy was against it so Carter was too.  The press ridiculed him.  And rightly so.

131 "That would be McMaster who is a protege of the Graham/McCain set. Graham runs the Republican Party in this State and he HATES small government conservatives."

Indeed, Folks is a big Mccain supporter too.  The way this exposure was handled is classic politics of personal destruction.  He won't even admit he had an affair.  Just is this coy bullshit.

My patience has run out.  This guy is trying to screw up an election.  He is attempting to steal our democracy from us.  He has giggled that he has some kind of scandal but won't specify what the scandal is or what evidence he has.  He has made it impossible to deny, impossible to verify, and nearly impossible to sue for libel.

He needs to come forward and explain every detail of his accusation, provide every aspect of evidence, or admit he has none, and explain if any politicians helped him in his basic crime against his state's democratic process.

the people badly want reform, and there will always be slimeballs who will help the corrupt slime the reformers.  Folks is a monster who hurts women because he is a coward.  He will never stand up and be clear because he knows, fundamentally, he cannot measure up.

132

Moose4,

Yes, as far as I know it's done by IP and location (I think) so that means we work for the same place. 

Which building are you in?

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2010 03:23 PM (mAhn3)

Ha! We've finally found the HQ of the Vast Ring Wing Conspiracy!!!!!!!

133 @25

Occam's Razor says the reason that Haley had the confidence to immediately issue an absolute denial, despite the possibility that Folks might have secret recordings or other proof of an affair, is that she is telling the truth and there was no affair.  

134 Loser hitches cart to wrong horse (Sanford).

He was out of the Sanford team long before the "Argentina event". In fact, I think he was out the first term.

And BTW, Sanford is still popular here with most of the normal people, just not with the SC legislature.

135 ace:

I only defend this schmuck because people are saying INSANE things about him here.  It's kind of nuts.  And I defend him only to the point that I refute that he's this villainous genius.  I point out that there are reasonable explanations for much of what he's doing.  He's still a schmuck.  At best he's a home wrecking, name dropping star fucker.  Fuck him.  At worst, he's a psycho.

But none of that gets us to the truth.

And I've probably white lied about something I did with someone (can't really think of it now, but sure), but apparently both he and Haley had told people about the affair, and apparently people had seen her SUV at his home and apparently someone had a picture of them together.

So at that point, do I lie?  I'm a lawyer.  I deal with shades of deniability on a daily basis.  But a bald faced liar I am not. 

Lying to a guy, when he knows you are lying and you know he knows you are lying is not even lying.  It's theater.  And this guy can't do it.  Few of us can.  That's probably why he's laughing on the transcript.  It's nervous laughter.  It's "I can't believe I'm the Monica Lewinski talking to a reporter in this scenario" kind of laughter..

Lying to a co-worker or friend is one thing.  But lying to an investigator (be it a cop or a journalist) who has been digging around is extremely tough.  It's tough because you have no idea what they know.  They call it "gotcha journalism" but really it is basic investigation.  An investigator never sits down with someone and say: "here's what I know so far..." 

I depose people all the time.  I don't tell them what I know.  I get them to commit to a story (if I can) long before I try to suggest they are lying.  I want them to think I know everything but tell them I know nothing.  That's how you investigate. 

I've never said this guy is completely on the level.  But I've seen nothing to suggest he's not.  She has a real basic incentive to lie.  Most of us would lie in the same position.  Crafting an incentive for him requires him to be a villain, a diabolical, string pulling genius, and incredibly short sighted.

I have a theory: 9 times out of 10, cases either get better and better or they get worse and worse.  Same goes for rumors.  The story either gets more and more believable (John Edwards) or it falls apart spectacularly (Larry Sinclair).  There's little middle ground.  Every detail we've learned about these two people makes his claim more believable as time goes on.  And more and more you have to assign this guy more and more complex levels of villainy to support the denial. 

Could it be a hoax?  Yes.  Of course.  Is it a hoax?  You don't think so.  And neither do I.

136 Penn Jillette's Razor says I'm going to cut a bitch if they keep draggin' this shit out.

137 robtr:

I would have waited until she got the nomination. 

138 Some of those rural, agricultural areas south of Charleston must have off-season rate approaching 50%.

I know they get pretty high but the "press" hasn't reported them and the State statistics don't list them that way. I think I have seen some > 20% on the State tables for some months.

I used 15% because the national press raved over that number in MI saying it was awful bad (and we needed stimulus). They also said that MI was the highest in the country and I do think that SC had some months where the whole State was > 15%.

139 ...and a comb-over screams self-actualization.

is that like choking the chicken?

140

So at that point, do I lie?  I'm a lawyer. 

I see you answered your own question but have you noticed that for a lawyer you suck at convincing anyone?

141 I knew he was full of shit when he immediately characterized benign denials as a howitzers gunning after him and that a lame excuse to start blabbing about himself -- either that or he seriously the biggest pussy in the world. It was so set as to be stupid that I guess only peeps like Seattle buy.

And saying insane things about him, like what? That he plead guilty to battering his fiancee or lied about emails before?

The truth is now insane. Lies are normal in Seattle's world.

142

Ha! We've finally found the HQ of the Vast Ring Wing Conspiracy!!!!!!!

This underground volcano base is huge.  I didn't know how huge until today.

Moose4, if I'm thinking what I'm thinking, and the router that assigns both of our IP is the same, then you and I are close by to each other.   Let's play Find The Moron.

143 I have to say that I pretty much agree with Seattle Slough here.  After vacillating back and forth on this, I'm returning to the "smoke = fire" original stance I had.  They probably did the nasty or somesuch.

Of course, he's probably being paid by someone to leak this now too.  And it's beyond doubt that he's a nutjob.  But yeah, I'm going with "probably correct."  Ugh.

144 "Lawyer" is not the impressive intellectual credential that you think it is, jagoff.

I have a theory, too. You still shop in the Boys section for underwear.

145 "but apparently both he and Haley had told people about the affair"

LIE, Seattle.  That's a lie.

Just because someone says Haley told someone about the affair doesn't make it so.  the reason you make this claim so vaguely is that it is based on absolutely nothing.

I don't know if her car was at his home.  He did work for her.  I have seen this 'photo of them together' and it is a typical politician photo.  That you are bringing those up as evidence is *disgusting* and partisan.

You have no reason to believe those claims.  You are defending someone you know is a violent women hating psycho who you know lies. 

Birthers have more evidence of their claims than you do of yours.  Truthers have more too.  There's absolutely no reason to buy this crap except that it's interesting sex drama with a very pretty politician.

It's been long enough since the accusation that there should be some real evidence coming forward.  Instead, we have nothing.  You can't prove a negative.  Haley can deny and just watch as the cloud hangs over her very successful campaign.  you claim the timing is poor, and that's simply insane.  The timing is precise to thwart her avoiding a runoff.

The corrupt democrats and republicans are willing to work together to keep reform out of South Carolina.  Why are you working so hard to help them do that?  You know who the liar is here.  You know there's no evidence against Haley.  You know this is an egregious offense against our elections to drag out accusations and try to hurt someone with vague accusations.

I am confident it will backfire.  I sure hope this man is dragged before a court of law after the election so he can plead the fifth and go bankrupt in legal fees.

146

Lying to a co-worker or friend is one thing.  But lying to an investigator (be it a cop or a journalist) who has been digging around is extremely tough

Please read comments other than your own. Supposedly this investigation is being handled by a free local rag.Either they have suddenly upped their game, they are being used as a front, or our hero baited the hook so that this comes out by the hands of the rag, rather than him. And our hero has a track record of doing exactly what you purport to be difficult; lying to editors and the authorities. That is, when he isn't being violent or stalking. That he has a mixed record of success, at least in the long run, means thatl likely he has a shallow learning curve.

 

She said that she's been faithful. Him accosting her and her putting it behind her would be consistent with her denial. Him shootng his mouth off about how 'close he was to her' or how much 'she values him' would be in keeping with this self aggrandizing jerk, and would account for the rumor..

147 Why is that not suprising?

Look dude, I will be the first, and the loudest, to stand up and say "I GOT SO TOTALLY PWN3D" if this is completely unmasked as a 100% fabricator.  I *hope* he is.  Because god, he is so fucking unctuous and sleazy that he SCREAMS "backpfeifengesicht."  (Look it up, it's the greatest word the German language ever came up with.)  

But honestly?  Listen to what Ace said in the previous post: let's start looking for another candidate, or at least preparing damage control on Haley. 

148 I don't know who this seattle guy is but who is paying him, I mean what's all this concerned citizen bs?

149 I don't know who this seattle guy is but who is paying him, I mean what's all this concerned citizen bs?

Posted by: lions at May 27, 2010 03:38 PM (eS7PT)

Dunno, he pops in every now and then. Says he's a lawyer but I look at his arguments and just don't see it. Maybe he's Gregoires son or something, she ain't to bright either.

150 Why is this a story? Nothing has been "proven". So far it's just, "he said"... "he said"...  Personally, I hope Haley nails this guy hard in the groin with a stilletto. She would be doing a service for all of womenkind.

Now here's a story you should be covering and I'll bet if someone dug 'just a little' there would be ample proof to be found: http://www.t-room.us/

Click on Story #2.

151 "After vacillating back and forth on this, I'm returning to the "smoke = fire" original stance I had.  They probably did the nasty or somesuch."

Why?  There's been no smoke.  The 'vacillating' has been from the accuser.

Stop letting yourself be manipulated by these Anita Hill tactics.  Usually, these accusations turn out to be complete fabrications.  How can anyone not recall that every single major conservative has been accused of this specific vague thing, and eventually nothing comes of it?  Mccain has had this happen to him twice.  Palin has too.  Chris Christie too.  Roberts and Thomas both had this accusation thrown out.  W and Laura Bush also.  Some of these people get the 'gay' affair rumor, some get the staffer one, some get the lobbyist one.  It's always extremely vague and impossible to prove false, and just sort of dies out after the election or nomination process.

The idea that 'where there's smoke there's fire' ignores the point that smoke will automatically be injected into anyone who makes it anywhere in politics on reform (I admit, some of the ones I named are not great reformers at all, but they threatened the wrong people).

Sure, it's conceivable that Haley did something.  There's no more reason to believe that now than there was a year ago.  There's no legitimate smoke.  Whoever the GOP nominates in 2012, whoever is the House majority leader in 2011, whoever manages a major reform in any corrupt state... these people will all have some bullshit fake sex scandal thrown at them.  Stop letting this work!

Someone wants to assert this: they need to be 100% forthright on day 1.  Not playing games and being coy and refusing to answer questions.  This is a serious affront to our society.

152 Just call me the cowardly concern lion.

153

Just because someone says Haley told someone about the affair doesn't make it so.  the reason you make this claim so vaguely is that it is based on absolutely nothing

 

Thank you! But is is very neccessary to give this smear life beyond the word of our model of integrity.As is the claim about photographs of where cars are parked.

Newsflash: It's possible to keep weird hours when you are a politician. I was a volunteer for a state politician here, who was a woman and married, and I often drove her to campaign events via private car (use of a state car, or even the appearance of it would be bad). Driving downstate and back for events is possible in Delaware ( and perhaps only here0) but it involved long, odd hours.

 

By this logic, add one rumor and I am the scourge of Rt 13 and The Delaware State House.

154 I tried to register at RedState, but I got a continuous loop of "invalid password, check your e-mail for the new one" crap that never recognized whatever password I entered. Hate sites like that. Anyway, I know they claim they know who paid, but have they said that they have PROOF of who paid?

155

And BTW, Sanford is still popular here with most of the normal people, just not with the SC legislature.

That's one of the main reasons he crashed so hard, he had no friends in the legislature. He made a lot of enemies trying to keep the budget in line, and I suspect this is the main reason this "rumor" is slow dripping now. The establishment didn't like Sanford and I'm guessing they don't like her either.

156 >>>>Just because someone says Haley told someone about the affair doesn't make it so. the reason you make this claim so vaguely is that it is based on absolutely nothing just because haley denies it doesn't make it so, either. nobody knows. it's he said she said. We will know by the time of the primary -- either will folks has evidence or he doesn't. If he doesn't, he was lying.

157 "But honestly?  Listen to what Ace said in the previous post: let's start looking for another candidate, or at least preparing damage control on Haley. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 27, 2010 03:38 PM (rt1d2)"

What preparation for damage control do you suggest?  It's obvious that the campaign goading this disgusting tactic is the one who would replace Haley in the nomination process.  I would much rather have Haley, an actual Palin style reformer, than someone who pays sleaze to slime and stop reform.

What possible good does it do to go with the bad guys on this?  If it's not Haley, it's time to give the democrats a chance.  I'm not going to let this shit tactic work just because I'm a partisan Republican.  I think we need real reform, and that means some in the GOP need to go.  Anyone associated with this slander needs to be ostracized.  If we abandon Haley over these obviously bullshit charges, we are letting the slimeballs have absolute power over who gets into office.  This is why we are so badly in debt.  This is a tactic that honorable people would never employ (even if the charges were true, this method is sleazy, but the charges are not true).

158 Listen, I slept with Nikki okay? We were in the same building on the same night and in bed. True it was different hotel rooms at the state Republican Convention but it just change the fact I slept with her.

159

21 Never trust anyone who shaves their head.  It is obvious they have serious insecurity issues.

What about somebody who shaves "their" legs? What kind of issues does "they" have?

160 "nobody knows. it's he said she said.

We will know by the time of the primary -- either will folks has evidence or he doesn't. If he doesn't, he was lying.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2010 03:49 PM (66DVY)"

I don't want to diss Seattle.  I like having lefties with the balls to come here honestly.

But this really isn't a he said she said to me.  This is a he said THAT she said, and she didn't actually say anything.  Just one example of many.  Some of the things he's saying are simply lies.  So everything he is saying should be ignored.

Of course, Haley is a human being and probably has done something in her life we would think is shitty.  I honestly don't care, because I recognize this tactic as precisely empowering those who have destroyed out country.  I want to absolutely an unequivocally reject this tactic in all cases.

If someone attempts to smear someone without being upfront and completely clear, that should bolster support for the smeared.  Sure, there's a potential for double blind dirty double dealing tricks, but I highly doubt that's a major possibility.  On the other hand, if someone wants to clearly list their evidence and accusations, under full scrutiny, I will weigh their claims.  I don't think I'm being unreasonable.  By giving Folks's claims any respect, we are empowering the corrupt.

161 Posted by: Dr Benton Quest at May 27, 2010 03:22 PM (OZ0pi) Yep, Bauer would be my guess too. This is fun. Too bad somebody doesn't have a pool going.

162 just because haley denies it doesn't make it so, either.

nobody knows. it's he said she said.

Yeah, but he has the burden of proof.

He picked the timing of releasing this information, yet he did not have any substantive (either material evidence or first party testimony or even a lie detector test) ready to address what he knew would be questions? 

At the very least it demonstrates he's a liar when he claimed he was trying to come clean.  Clearly it's a strategy for teasing the media so the story will be bigger.  And he has a past history of lying about relationships with women that have gone off the rails. 

So I really think that, to date, the odds favor him lying about there being a 4.5 year affair between them. 

163 I have seen a lot of people also asking why Haley doesn't sue or do some other action to counter this BS.

First off, the primary is June 8. She needs to focus on that for now. After that the runoff is June 22 so no time in between there either.

Next she has an election left against a Dem who you can bet your ass is going to use the "Sanford scandal" and wink wink nudge nudge this as well.

As for suing, hahahahahaha. Go back and dig up Earl Warren's grave and the other justices who gave us that abortion in the New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) and throw their rotting corpses on Will Folks doorstep.

164 Folks' blog is now running a squib that "our founding editor" will be releasing phone records... of conversations Folks had with reporters (which will, of course, put paid to all those callous doubts of Will "I'm not going to paint pictures" Foks' integrity). No phone records have been posted, however, just a squib that he's going to release them.

165 Posted by: seattle slough at May 27, 2010 02:37 PM (JRGA6) Nah, sorry, ain't buying it. The dude is nasty looking and doesn't come off as a brilliant comedian or, frankly, anything else that would bag him a sane woman. I guess it doesn't surprise me that this douchebag worked for Mark "soul mate" Sanford, whom I actually used to admire as a politician.

166 " If we abandon Haley over these obviously bullshit charges," If they're obviouisly bullshit, I expect Haley to say so. So far, nada. So if the charges are not bullshit, and she did cheat on her husband with Turtle from "Entourage", then by accepting her we'd be just like the dishonorable Dems who claim that a person who habitually lies and selfishly destroys his/her own family won't do the same to the country when in high office. Haley has about 24 hours before I decide that this W.F. turd (paid or not) is telling the truth (in his own profiteering little way)..

167 She has a real basic incentive to lie.

Yeah, but who has an incentive to fuck Will Folks?

168 "backpfeifengesicht." What a great word!  I was thinking it meant "bagpipe face", but "face that was made for slapping" is even better. Thanks, Jeff B.!

169 Ace, You're a lawyer, right? 
Anyway, if he were testifying in court and was caught in several lies AND there was no corroborating testimony from someone who had first person knowledge of the affair AND there was no physical evidence (or the evidence had suspicious chain of evidence) how much weight should the jury give his testimony? 
And would you advice your client (Haley) to take the stand to refute such weak evidence?

170 "If they're obviouisly bullshit, I expect Haley to say so. So far, nada."

So you're a liar?

She absolutely denied any affair occurred.  You must already know this, or you're an idiot.

Are you an idiot or a liar?

171 Yep, Bauer would be my guess too. This is fun. Too bad somebody doesn't have a pool going.

Posted by: rc at May 27, 2010 03:54 PM (EI1Mm)

Ace should start a pool. Redstate say they know who and how much. So you have to guess not only who but how much they paid without going over.

172 @178
If they're obviouisly bullshit, I expect Haley to say so. So far, nada.

She did deny them.  For example: http://tinyurl.com/234y5z7

173 "Are you an idiot or a liar?" Are you a psycho or a drunk? I've read what I believe are all of the links and I've yet to see her really say anything definitive about her relationship with Willy. Have I missed something important?

174

I have seen a lot of people also asking why Haley doesn't sue or do some other action to counter this BS.

She doesn't have any grounds to sue. All folks said is that there was inappropriate physical contact. That could mean he was drunk at a party and put his hand on her ass for all we know.

If they're obviouisly bullshit, I expect Haley to say so. So far, nada.
So if the charges are not bullshit, and she did cheat on her husband with Turtle from "Entourage", then by accepting her we'd be just like the dishonorable Dems who claim that a person who habitually lies and selfishly destroys his/her own family won't do the same to the country when in high office.

Haley has about 24 hours before I decide that this W.F. turd (paid or not) is telling the truth (in his own profiteering little way)..

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 03:56 PM (7EDH5)

WTF are you talking about, she came out and said it wasn't true and that she had been totally faithful to her husband.

175 I'm guessing the offer wasn't for money explicitly, but for a job that pays well.  A Michelle Obama style bribe, in other words.  I won't bother pointing to who did this because that just opens up another door for the corrupt to slime two innocent people instead of one.  Fact is, sleazy liars are afraid Haley will get into office because they know better than we do that Haley will reform the government.  I know who I'd vote for if I had the misfortune of not being Texan.

Do South Carolinans want their state to become Illinois or Louisiana?  A lot of the people in the legislature want that very badly. 

176 Will needs a quality woman to cheat with.

177

EC and Moose4, a love connection?

178 uh oh  -- Will Folks is walking it all back....

"...Asked by a South Carolina CBS affiliate on Wednesday if he intends to release any additional information on Haley prior to the June 8 primary, Folks responded: “That ain’t up to me, really.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37867.html

179

So at that point, do I lie?  I'm a lawyer.

Wow I feel sorry for anyone who consults you Seattle Slough.  You're so clueless you can't understand what a bribe is.  And despite your own claim that the people aren'te legal geniuses, you believe that if they are lying they would be committing libel because they said they would be.  You know despite just admitting they aren't legal geniuses so how the fuck would they know what are actual grounds for libel.

You truly are nothing more than a pathetic dishonest partisan liberal hack who would suck a democrats dick if they asked you to.

180 Yeah, but who has an incentive to fuck Will Folks? Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 27, 2010 03:56 PM (VmQv1) Exactly. That's why I don't think there's any truth to this crap. Of course, why would Tiger Woods shag all those skanky chicks when he had Elin at home? Some people are crazy, I guess. So, if this proves to be true (very remote possibility, very, very remote)....Ms. Haley is crazy and shouldn't be governor.

181 May 24th: "I have been 100 percent faithful to my husband throughout our 13 years of marriage," Haley said in a statement released to a local television station. "This claim against me is categorically and totally false."

182

I'm guessing the offer wasn't for money explicitly, but for a job that pays well

 

Agreed, which is why he'll get burned. Anyone who hires this jerk just announced who arranged the 'hit'. They'll leave him hanging. We can expect another round of him playing the victim at that point.

183


Vic,

As for suing, hahahahahaha. Go back and dig up Earl Warren's grave and the other justices who gave us that abortion in the New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) and throw their rotting corpses on Will Folks doorstep.


THat was one of the most accurate and descriptive legal analyses I've ever read.  Anywhere.

Kudos

184 "So Haley wasted no time firing back. She said Folks, a former campaign consultant, is lying. " This is all I'd seen from her. I totally missed the press conference (was there one?) where she declared her faithfulness. Do I actually have to go to Will Folk's website? That's the only thing I haven't done yet.

185 "Have I missed something important?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:02 PM (7EDH5)"

Yes, you have.  You clearly have not been reading anything credible about this subject and should reconsider how you are getting informed if you think you can assert Haley has made no denials.  That was an obnoxious lie.  "nada"

I make mistakes all the time, and I'm sorry if you don't like the asshole style I sometimes use when commenting here.  It's not personal, but that was a fucked up thing for you to say about someone who is the victim of a smear campaign.  You absolutely assisted a vicious smear and are part of the problem.  Of course, if she has made no denial, or if people believe your claims, that badly damages her reputation.  I'd appreciate it if you'd check and return to note that she denied this absolutely.  She said she had been faithful for her entire 13 year marriage.  There's no getting around it... she can't prove something didn't happen because of the nature of inductive logic.

But she did deny it.  No Modus Tollens for you, my friend.

186 At some point Occam's Razor intercedes.  All this guy's actions can be summed up by simply saying "he's not lying about any of it."

Posted by: seattle slough at May 27, 2010 02:37 PM (JRGA6)

Exactly, he's a noble honest truth-teller who really wants Haley to win and released his initial information so it could be done in one dump and not see this dragged out into a big media circus.  He's telling the total truth and has been from the beginning. 

You can tell from his dragging her name in the mud, attacking her, and dragging this out as long as possible... wait, what?

Or did you mean other statements of his have to be true; but these statements are clearly complete and utter bullshit?

So far he's made several claims that I'm aware of.

1) He's a big shit blogger - Bullshit - Seriously?  No clue who he is... and not seeing a lot of Name recognition before this broke.

2) He wants to help Haley win - Bullshit - Do you often say politicians you want to win are sleeping around on their spouse?  Is that helpful?

3) He doesn't want a big media circus - Bullshit - Look at what he's doing, not what he says.  He's the one dragging it out at this point... and only him.

4) He had an affair with Haley - unable to prove or disprove based on available evidence.  I have no idea.

Sorry if I generally distrust the statements from a guy who is a habitual liar; that probably makes me a bigot or something; but don't expect me to see that most of what this guy says is clearly bullshit, then assume he's telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Are you sure Occam's Razor says if a guy lies straight to your face 3 times in a row the 4th statement MUST be true?  That seems like a very sloppy shave.

You can give him whatever respect, trust, and faith you can muster up for a man who has constantly fed you lines of shit since this thing started.  Clearly you can muster up a lot of faith and trust for that sort of person.  I'm clearly not as trusting and generaous as you are when I'm constantly lied to... good for you?

Oh, and can I borrow some money?  Whatever you can spare... I promise I'll pay you back.

187 I totally missed the press conference (was there one?) where she declared her faithfulness.

She released a statement through the local media.  Quoted above, per a May 24th WaPo piece. 

Why have a press conference?

188 Oh please.

189 --"I have been 100 percent faithful to my husband throughout our 13 years of marriage," Haley said in a statement released to a local television station. "This claim against me is categorically and totally false."--

And big pussy, Will Folk,equates this with coming after him with a massive fire power.

190 Haley should have told reporters that she could assure them nothing untoward happened and that her official statement would be released shortly.

191

 

I haven't seen AoS this divided since the Terry Schiavo cereal-ban post.

192 Dude, it's McMaster or a Democrat... you heard it hear first...

193 I did it for her, man!

194 "200 Oh please.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:11 PM (7EDH5)"

Admit what you said was untrue, please.

You're whining about being treated poorly, but you're being a dick.  What you said, if anyone believes it, would greatly harm their impression of Haley.  If you are sincere, then you are proof that people can be fooled. 

Wherever you get your information, it sucks.  Figure out why you are so poorly informed as to have missed one entire side of this debate, Haley's 'I have been faithful for my entire 13 year marriage' claim.

Man up.

195

I had sex, repeatedly, with Kathy Ireland.

Prove it didn't happen, wingnutz!

196 Here's the question (obviously I'm behind the curve on this story, despite living in North Carolina)... Is the mass opinion of AoS that this was all made up by Will Folks and that he never touched her, she never touched him, and he's just a profiteering libelous scumbag, or is the mass opinion that she did actually fool around with him a bit, but not to the extent that she considers being "unfaithful".

197

Heh, that Politico article was pretty damning for Folks. It looks like Politico is getting tired of getting jerked around by this liar. They said twice he hasn't been able to prove shit and what he has produced didn't prove shit.

 

198 Photo of husband standing next to Nikki Haley as she denies the allegations.

Written piece contains a statement by Pearson, the aide whose texts were released, that Folks has an overactive imagination and that this rumor is false.

199

 

hahaha @ 'man up'

200 um... "here first" that is...

I put the odds at 55% that it is McMaster, 40% it is a Dem, 5% it is Bauer...

201 I feel bad for saying this, but....at the very least, this is all rather entertaining.

I suppose I feel this way because I have no special brief for Haley either way, and because, hey: it's South-fuckin'-Carolina:  the chances of SC sending a Democrat to the governor's mansion in the 2010 climate is slightly less than the chance of hell getting icy. 

For those who are big Haley fans, this must suck a lot, however.  And I do agree that whichever candidate is behind paying off Folks has disqualified themselves from public office.

Man, SC politics is dirty, isn't it?

202

 

What a stupid name -- McMaster.

^{awww shit, don't get me started on the Irish (or the Scots).}

203 "Dude, it's McMaster or a Democrat... you heard it hear first...

Posted by: yarrrrr at May 27, 2010 04:15 PM (Jhlre)"

It easily could be a democrat.  This casts doubt on every one of the GOP candidates.  Some are buying the lie that Haley won't deny it and where there's smoke there's fire.  Others, like me, are damn sure not going to support McMaster or Bauer unless they do something drastic to show support for Haley.

It's a classic move.  but I think it's probably McMaster.  This idiot, Folks, was obviously not going to hold up for very long.  He's not a great pick unless your goals are extremely short term, such as the primary.

honestly, I don't feel comfortable blaming anyone.  Even if Folks ever admits who put him up to it, it will be hard to believe him.

204 Yes, Lex, I prostrate myself before the blog gods. I missed an AP link, let the wet noodles fly.

205

 

brb..

I gotta go take a McPiss.

206 Is the mass opinion of AoS that this was all made up by Will Folks and that he never touched her, she never touched him, and he's just a profiteering libelous scumbag, or is the mass opinion that she did actually fool around with him a bit, but not to the extent that she considers being "unfaithful".

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:17 PM (7EDH5)

My experience with AoSHQ is that we usually don't agree on anything as a group and we post here because this is the last place on the interwebs that hasn't banned us.

My opinion on Haley is that she is innocent until proven guilty and that hasn't happened yet.

207 Is the mass opinion of AoS that this was all made up by Will Folks and that he never touched her, she never touched him, and he's just a profiteering libelous scumbag, or is the mass opinion that she did actually fool around with him a bit, but not to the extent that she considers being "unfaithful".

There's no real consensus.  Some of us (read: me for one, Ace as well I'm guessing) lean towards option two.  Some of us (more, I'd say) lean towards option one.  I think the difference probably correlates to the personal cynicism of the poster.

208

And now he tells Politico that he has the evidence, but his lawyers are holding him back, and that "others are controlling the story". If they have something, then he is again the victim. If they don't have something, then he is the victim. And if they simply wait until 6/09, and dissappear, then ..what? he's already whining that people are "going after him".

 

Any legal opinions here? If he has evidence, who or what could hinder him legally?

209 Man, SC politics is dirty, isn't it?

That would be what would disturb me the most.  Particularly the likelihood that it is coming from a GOP opponents' camp.  In addition, it kills me to be confronted on a daily basis by how poor most peoples' critical thinking skills are that an obvious nut-job could make vague allegations and they'd stick. 

210 "Haley Releases Statement On False Allegations May 24th, 2010

Contact: Tim Pearson
803-767-8943

(Columbia, SC) – Today, in response to the allegations made by a South Carolina blogger, Representative Nikki Haley released the following statement:

“I have been 100% faithful to my husband throughout our 13 years of marriage. This claim against me is categorically and totally false.”

“It is sad, but not surprising, that this disgraceful smear has taken form less than a week removed from the release of a poll showing our campaign with a significant lead. It is quite simply South Carolina politics at its worst.”

“These attacks – and those sure to follow – are an effort at distraction, but I will keep my focus on what matters, and that is delivering South Carolina’s government back to our people. That’s a fight I have fought for the last five years. That’s why I entered this race for Governor. And that’s what I will continue to do, despite any outrageous and false claims that are thrown at me.”

211 "For those who are big Haley fans, this must suck a lot, however.  And I do agree that whichever candidate is behind paying off Folks has disqualified themselves from public office.

Man, SC politics is dirty, isn't it?

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 27, 2010 04:19 PM (rt1d2)"

It really does suck.  She's very much like Palin, but I've found her more appealing for some reason.  She's the future of the GOP, and they want to destroy her early.  This kind of shit happens to the good guys as soon as it's clear they have national potential.  We never hear about them.  That's why we are always so angry that the GOP's national bench is so light of the kind of people we know our nation can produce.  Those people are not willing to have their families go through this hell.  That's why I am so angry that people would let this fucking tactic work at all.

If someone has an allegation, they need to make it with 100% clarity and no goofing around.  Otherwise, we need to make sure that tactic backfires.  This is central to saving our country.

212 Any legal opinions here? If he has evidence, who or what could hinder him legally?

I have the same question.

He released Pearson's texts, obviously without his authorization, but we're to believe there are no texts or emails of Nikki's to release?  She was blabbing about this affair to a bunch of people - according to Folks - but she was careful not to ever send him a text message? 

Riiiight. 

213 My opinion will be based on a picture of Folks' wife. If she's hot then that shows he has the chops to get a hot chick despite being fugly and bald and may be credible . If not then he's full of shit. End of story.

214 Lincolntf

My gut is this guy is full of it big time. I think he thinks he's clever and can make up buck and has no allegiance to any one in SC politics because they all abandoned his ass when he plead guilty to battering his girlfriend and then was arrested for harassing her later.

I would not be surprised if he had been trying to get consulting work and couldn't and this is his sick idea of vengence. He has an ax to grind.

He has a reputation of being caustic and scary aggressive when he worked for the Governor


this paper says he has a history of making wild allegations on his blog that he never backs up or pretends he's already provided proof when there is zero

http://tinyurl.com/3xbgd76

215 Rocks

LOL.

216
I had sex, repeatedly, with Kathy Ireland.

Prove it didn't happen, wingnutz!

Posted by: s'moron

 

Piker. I had sex with Ireland! Of course, I was drunk at the time. And so was it. I gave new meaning to 'driving the snakes out of Ireland', IYKWIMAITTYD

217 assuming it were possible for me to have sex with a woman (ridiculous in itself), [Backing away slowly] Sooooooo, what DO you have sex with? [Reaches into pocket for knife]

218

My opinion on Haley is that she is innocent until proven guilty and that hasn't happened yet.

--

Me, too.

I'll add that I would not be at all concerned about an affair - or, let's face it, probably more like a one-night stand at worst based on Folks' wording - that she had with a guy a couple of years ago.  

As long as she didn't do him in the office or use public funds or whatever, I really don't care. 

219 "but not to the extent that she considers being "unfaithful"."

So you did know about the denial, and now you claim maybe she had oral sex or something and didn't call that unfaithful?

GOOD LORD.  Are you a fan of this Folks douchebag or something?  How is it even possible to think this way, twisting even an absolute denial around like that?

When are you going to admit that your 'nada' claim was untrue?  What other aspects of this story are you ignoring?  Where are you getting your information on this story that you didn't even know there was an absolute 100% denial of any extramarital activity, from kissing to holding hands to love letters to anything?  Folks claimed he had hard evidence.  The denial is absolute.  You would have to absolutely unfair to not realize who has the burden at this point, and who should be considered innocent if this burden is unmet. 

220 That statement is really direct and crystal clear.   I think if she were lying the statement would have been worded using obamapseak, it would not have been straightforward.

221 As long as she didn't do him in the office or use public funds or whatever, I really don't care.

Yeah, but unfortunately, SC doesn't want Sanford redux.

222

I'll add that I would not be at all concerned about an affair - or, let's face it, probably more like a one-night stand at worst based on Folks' wording - that she had with a guy a couple of years ago.  

As long as she didn't do him in the office or use public funds or whatever, I really don't care. 

Posted by: Y-not

 

I'm still betting on door #3. he tried something, and she peeled him off. Afterward, she didn't report it. And then the jilted jerk decides to float a rumor. This sort of crap is straight out of high school.

223 Y-Not

--He released Pearson's texts, obviously without his authorization, but we're to believe there are no texts or emails of Nikki's to release?--

If I am not mistaken when he first blabbed after he said he did not have another word to say, he said he had texts and emails in such a way the impression was the text was from Haley herself.

I notice a pattern of his is to flood conflicting info to as many people he can it all gets hard to put together and the MSM needs big pieces of paper and crayons -- and he knows this.

224 Posted by: robtr at May 27, 2010 04:17 PM (fwSHf)

I agree.

225 Y-not has a good mindset on this.

I don't think Haley so much as hugged this jackass, but even if she had an orgy with him and a bus full of midgets, she is obviously a threat to some extremely corrupt and fucked up assholes.

that they would use this coy smear drag-out method shows Haley is exactly the right person to elect.  The issue isn't whether or not she was unfaithful.  That's a red herring.  Sure, it looks like she was faithful, but the real issue is that Folks and whoever is behind his bullshit should be strongly opposed, and the best way to do that is to elect the reformer, Haley.

The scandal is fun to sort through, but the truth is, it almost doesn't matter.

226

 

I'm not gonna believe Haley until she says, "I really really never had sexual relations with that man...pinky swear."

 

 

227

Is the mass opinion of AoS that this was all made up by Will Folks and that he never touched her, she never touched him, and he's just a profiteering libelous scumbag, or is the mass opinion that she did actually fool around with him a bit, but not to the extent that she considers being "unfaithful".

I don't think there is a mass opinion on that.  Its pretty much open for debate with all current information.  I believe there is a mass opinion that this guy is a scumbag liar because he was only going to mention it just one time before talking about it every day after that, and is also completely full of himself, and likely being paid for doing this.

228 "As long as she didn't do him in the office or use public funds or whatever, I really don't care. " What I care about is that if she's putting out these "100% faithful" statements and it turns out that they actually had a tryst then she's a skank and a liar. I looked at the linked statements (I'm sure I missed something) and it seems to me that there is still a bit of non-denial denial going on. "I've never touched that man in my life" is a definitive statement, and I'd accept it. But the "I've been 100% faithful" thing has a tinge of "no sexual relations with that woman".

229 Whatever.  It's long past time for Eric Erickson to shit or get off the pot.  I don't want be strung along by anyone anymore, whether its Will Folks or Redstate.

Can I take the opportunity here to mention that I've never much cared for Redstate?  I like a lot of the guys who are posters over there (Neil Stevens, Moe Lane) but generally....meh.

230 Blue Hen

Your theory is interesting. I had thought maybe she was flirty with him and he cool with manipulating that.

231 If I am not mistaken when he first blabbed after he said he did not have another word to say, he said he had texts and emails in such a way the impression was the text was from Haley herself.

The main texts involved two people (a reporter and the aide) discussing the rumor with Folks.  No one with direct involvement in any boot-knocking. 

The article linked to above refers to Haley emails that are said to show no evidence of anything.

His other piece of evidence (cough, cough) is a photo from a couple of years ago with a completely innocuous inscription by Haley (something like "thanks for the support," I found it yesterday but am too lazy to look for it). 

232 I never heard of Nikki Haley before Ace starting posting about this. She may have knocked boots with Folks; I dunno.

But I know a lying liar when I see one, and Folks is the lyingest liar ever to carry a Douchenozzles International Local #19 card.

233 But the "I've been 100% faithful" thing has a tinge of "no sexual relations with that woman".

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:31 PM (7EDH5)

Ha, jeebus man let it go. You made a statement that was proven to be catagorically false.

What do you think this means:  "This claim against me is categorically and totally false.”

234 But the "I've been 100% faithful" thing has a tinge of "no sexual relations with that woman".

Well, this is just my opinion, but I don't think that is considered to be an equivocation to most - happily - married people. 

235

yeah but, what is Will Folks doing and saying right now?

Will Folks is the most important person in the world and I simply must be informed of his doings on a minute by minute basis.

since I've written this Will Folks has probably done something new/awful/interesting and I haven't been informed.... this state of affairs is unacceptable!

236

"Nikki and her husband Michael, a full time federal technician with the South Carolina National Guard and an officer in the Army National Guard, attend Mt. Horeb United Methodist Church in Lexington. She was previously a board member of both the Orangeburg and Lexington County Chambers of Commerce and a member of the National Association of Women Business Owners. Currently, Nikki sits on the board for Mt. Horeb United Methodist Church, Medmission, and is a proud member of the West Metro Republican Women and the Lexington County Republican Party.

Nikki and Michael live in Lexington with their two children, Rena, 11, and Nalin, 8. "

She really impressive.  Who cares what they are saying....that state needs her as governor and they probably realize it too...

237 THat was one of the most accurate and descriptive legal analyses I've ever read.  Anywhere.

Kudos

Thanks

238

it seems to me that there is still a bit of non-denial denial going on.
"I've never touched that man in my life" is a definitive statement, and I'd accept it.

But the "I've been 100% faithful" thing has a tinge of "no sexual relations with that woman".

 

If he initiated something, or groped her, then it was inappropriate, and this weasel is lying by omission only. If she fought him off, then she was being faithful. If she said " we made physical contact, but it wasn't consensual, we were alone, and I stopped it", then it gets ugly. For her only. There will never be enough to convict him, and her career is trashed. Someone already played out that press conference from Hell in an earlier thread, as sanctimoneous vermin get to ask softcore questions.

239

 

why that's practically a confession!

240 It was the Lt. Governor's people, told you all that two days ago. 

Red State must read Ace.

241 Y-Not

Right. I could swear some of the first stories on it though had him telling reporters he had correspondence with HER that would prove this starting with email in 05 or something ending in May Texts and he said it in such a way that it sounded like the texts were from her and that got all the mouth breathing MSM/Talking Point Memo all hot an bothered and so when the texts were released it was kind of let down and had to be reported it was w/ other parties and no smoking gun.

242 Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Kemp?

243 "What I care about is that if she's putting out these "100% faithful" statements and it turns out that they actually had a tryst then she's a skank and a liar"

What in the hell is the matter with you?

You already got caught in a bald faced lie.  you said you read "everything" and you missed one of the most glaring points.  You asserted something damning to Haley that was totally untrue.

Why is all your care about this 'maybe her absolute denial is some kind of lie!  Maybe she's skank!'  What kind of idiot calls her a skank at this point, anyway?

You say you have a problem with lying, but you need to admit what you said was a lie, when you said you read everything on this topic, and so far, NADA denials.  You have a very selective view on who should be honest and who has the burden.

She's a nice woman who has been faithful to her husband for 13 years.   Any decent person recognizes that her denial is direct and plain and clear.  She can't be more specific because Folks is being impossibly vague about his accusations that there was 'inappropriate physical relations'.  that could be a foot rub.  It could be a slap.

also, Bill Clinton's denial of Lewinsky was clear.  He was just lying.  He had sexual relations with Monica.  The problem wasn't that his denial was too cute... it was that he was a liar.  Note that the evidence against him was his DNA on a dress, not some ridiculous vague coy bullshit.

244 This is the kind of crap that just gets women totally pissed off.  And you know what happens when women get totally pissed off.  (hint this is why guys like to have padlocks on their man caves)

245

 

Her denial insists upon itself.

246 If she said " we made physical contact, but it wasn't consensual, we were alone, and I stopped it", then it gets ugly. For her only. There will never be enough to convict him, and her career is trashed.

Really? 

I had a guy kiss me once after I was married.  He was a friend and somewhat drunk.  It was a dumb move, but meant nothing (well, if it meant something to him it didn't to me because I did not respond in kind so it went nowhere and we remained friends).  I told my husband about it.  He teases me from time to time, but he doesn't consider it to be an act of unfaithfulness. 

People make inappropriate advances on each other all the time, either physical or flirting.  It doesn't rise to the level of infidelity, imho, as long as it is not reciprocated.

As Wesley tells Buttercup when she worries about having gotten married to Prince Humperdink, "You didn't say it. You didn't do it."

247 "Born in Bamberg, S.C., the daughter of Indian immigrants, Nikki’s first job was keeping the books for her family’s clothing store – at the age of 13. She went on to graduate from Clemson University with a B.S. degree in accounting and following her graduation worked as Accounting Supervisor for the Charlotte, N.C. based corporation FCR, Inc. and five of its subsidiaries. Nikki then went back to the family business where she helped oversee its growth into a multi-million dollar operation. Since 2008 she has served as the Assistant Executive Director of the Lexington Medical Foundation."

248

“In fact, one of the reasons that I get such a large volume of reliable political intelligence is that – love me or hate me – everyone in this state knows that I don’t rat anybody out. Obviously not a day goes by that I’m not asked by someone to cough up the name of a source, but I tell everyone the same thing each time that happens:
“I wouldn’t rat you out to them, so I won’t rat them out to you, either.”
That goes for friends, acquaintances, allies and even enemies. Along with staying true to my ideological beliefs, source protection is part of this websiteÂ’s fundamental DNA.
Anyway, in conversing with a source on the Benjamin story, I was challenged a bit regarding something I honestly haven’t done much thinking about – ever. Specifically? I was challenged as to what my “purpose” was. And while I won’t get into the details of the conversation (it was “off the record,” you know), the bottom line is that I was encouraged to start thinking about what it is that I do – and why I do it.”

–Will Folks, in his own words, April 29, 2010

249 Good Lord, Lex, what do you want? I said "nada" when I should've said "nada that I've seen so far". Prostrated myself and everything. So, do YOU think that she gave him a handy under the table at some seedy bar?

250 What pisses me off is when Paula Jones made her allegation that serial horn dog threw his dick in her face the Feminist Democrats called her a whore and drug a dollar bill through her trailer park and now that admitted domestic abuser with a solid reputation for being a fabulist and liar lays out an unproven accusation in the bizarre and suspect manner those same Democrats choose to right after the woman and call her a whore and feel sorry for the fiancee beater.

251

This is such bullshit. There is a blogger who has been convicted of beating women, has a reputation for saying things that aren't true, makes creepy videos about beating Nikki Haley and has been caught by a newpaper editor altering emails to support one of his lies that claims he did something.

There is also a woman with 2 kids who has no past record of anything other that being a state rep, a mother of 2 and a faithful wife for 13 years saying the woman beater is lying.

It's a tough call on who to believe on that one.

252


Yeah, remember, this is a PRIMARY, so this dirt is coming from her "Republican" opponent. 

Sounds a lot like Fucks is getting paid for smearing a threat to the old boy's network ((an I say that as an "old boy," meself [but not in SC])

253 Right. I could swear some of the first stories on it though had him telling reporters he had correspondence with HER that would prove this starting with email in 05

Yes, he claimed they had a ~5 yr relationship that was book-ended by emails, with the last one initiated by him to her this month. 

I double-checked the article linked to above and he has not released emails from her. 

He also has not made it clear when/where these inappropriate contacts occurred.  He implies, via the bookend email logic, that it was an ongoing thing, but in reality all I have seen is reference to inappropriate contact with no specifics. 

So I think he is a delusional guy (we know that) whose career is on the skids (ditto) and who was hung up on this woman (there's also reference to him telling someone how smoking hot she is, see article above) and he got convinced that their working relationship meant something more and eventually he made a grab at her.  She would not want to make a scene - trust me, I didn't when the friend planted on me or even when someone else played grab ass with me at work - but did not reciprocate.  But in his deluded brain and pathetic blog world, he decided it was something requiring confessing. 

254 I think it's great actually, I hope he keeps pushing it.  All it is going to do is solidify her supporters and make them definitely go vote, they will go vote and look at this, she has gone national, with the help of Sarah Palin and ace.  A little known female gubernatorial candidate is now nationally know.  Seems like a huge win for her.

255 "But the "I've been 100% faithful" thing has a tinge of "no sexual relations with that woman".

Well, this is just my opinion, but I don't think that is considered to be an equivocation to most - happily - married people. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 27, 2010 04:35 PM (Kn9r7)"

Exactly.  If you are mentally normal, you realize that Haley's denial is crystal clear.

Lincolntf claimed no denial had ever been made, and within seconds of being told he was full of shit, he came up with this theory that, to him, the denial could cover all kinds of infidelity by this "skank".  In other words, he was way too quick in moving from one goal post to another, and I think it's instructive that he has such a dishonest mentality.  He can claim she never made a denial because the denial he was lying about isn't good enough for him.  And because he is so coy and cute with such matters, no denial could ever be good enough.

And the real point of this strained and dishonest analysis is to constantly pin the burden of proof on the party that can't prove a negative.  It's to keep everyone suspicious of this (his term) "skank".  He constantly spins this away from the corrupt who have smeared and plays loose with the facts (as he did too).  He's said that doesn't matter to him.  All that matters is that maybe she's a skank.

I think a person dishonorable enough to make the dishonest claims Lincolntf has, who has never commented here before the Folks blog got attention from this blog, is probably a douche.  There's a reason he claimed to follow this story closely and only knew the idiot side of it.  He's a Folks devotee.

Jeff B.  I'm not a big fan of Red State either.  I have no idea what their angle is.  Anyone who actually know who is behind this needs to just spit out what evidence they have instead of promoting their blog.

256

258 If she said " we made physical contact, but it wasn't consensual, we were alone, and I stopped it", then it gets ugly. For her only. There will never be enough to convict him, and her career is trashed.

Really? 

I had a guy kiss me once after I was married.  He was a friend and somewhat drunk.  It was a dumb move, but meant nothing (well, if it meant something to him it didn't to me because I did not respond in kind so it went nowhere and we remained friends).  I told my husband about it.  He teases me from time to time, but he doesn't consider it to be an act of unfaithfulness

 

I think that we actually agree. I think that Mrs Haley does too. I think that she is trying to deal with a hostile media, three immediate opponents, and a former colleague who is batshit nuts. The scenario I asserted was based upon the case where the friend turned hostile, rather than remaining a friend. Also, the added element of being a public figure in a competitive race. I do not know her husband, but I have no reason to believe that he would react any differently than yours. But the statement that were were examining was one given to the press, not her husband. I will admit that all of what I said is supposition.

 

Your thoughts?

257 --People make inappropriate advances on each other all the time, either physical or flirting.-

True that. Once when I was 22 I was a party and everyone was drunk and I went into the bathroom and had on a skirt like dress so left me exposed on top and this freaky guy just walked in started fondling my boobs. While HIS wife was there. No shit. And when I told the host they sort of fretted and then decided that he was drunk and I looked pretty so it was my fault. Kid you not.

258 Folks is denying he was paid to start the Haley Affair rumors or that he attempted to shop the story around: http://bit.ly/aVhICB

259 259 "Born in Bamberg, S.C., the daughter of Indian immigrants, Nikki’s first job was keeping the books for her family’s clothing store – at the age of 13. She went on to graduate from Clemson University with a B.S. degree in accounting and following her graduation worked as Accounting Supervisor for the Charlotte, N.C. based corporation FCR, Inc. and five of its subsidiaries. Nikki then went back to the family business where she helped oversee its growth into a multi-million dollar operation. Since 2008 she has served as the Assistant Executive Director of the Lexington Medical Foundation."

Posted by: curious at May 27, 2010 04:43 PM (p302b)

And the biggest thing I see in all that is what I don't see.  And that's 6 letters in succession: Lawyer.  I think this should be the most important thing in politicians.  The fact that they aren't a lawyer.  I consider it to be a very big plus.

260

 

so the party was in a bathroom?

261

re: #269

Posted by: Topsecretk9

 

Geez  that is so wrong on so many levels. I'm sorry for your experience.

262

so the party was in a bathroom?

Posted by: Bill Clinton

 

Bill! Heel! Remember your blood pressure. And the restraining order.

263 Your thoughts?

I was keying in on your "gets ugly" thing.  I thought you were saying that she still is damaged if it winds up that he groped her but she spurned his advances.  I sure hope that's not the case.

I hate this sort of thing, but I guess it's time for the husband to make a statement to the press backing up Nikki and making sure that everyone understands that "faithfulness" in their marriage (or whatever she said) means nothing happened. 

264 Wrong, Lex. I'm not "full of shit". I've made it abundantly clear that I hadn't yet seen the "100% faithful" piece. If I say it four times will it stick to your brain? I DIDN'T SEE THE ARTICLE!

265 Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2010 04:51 PM (oVQFe)

what impressed me is that her parents gave her the books of their small business at the age of 13.  If her parents have that much confidence in her to put their books in her hands and then when she got her degree to put their company in her hands....well, that's good enough for most people.

266 Folks give an exclusive interview... and reveals... wait for it... nothing.

For the first time since this story broke, blogger Will Folks is giving his most detailed interview yet exclusively to WSPA.

Carlson: “Should people believe you?“

Folks: “I think as this story progresses, everything’s gonna come out and everyone shouldn’t have trouble knowing who to believe.“

Carlson: “Now you started this—when is it gonna end?“

Folks: “Don’t know yet.“

Folks says there are more texts between him and Haley that will be released at his lawyerÂ’s direction. He also said there may be a picture released as well.

Carlson: “Will this come to a conclusion before the June 8th primary?“

Folks: “That ain’t up to me really.“

Carlson: “Don’t the voters have a right to know everything you have before then?“

Folks: “Its gonna be up to what my lawyers advise me.“

Carlson: “Have your heard from the Nikki Haley campaign or Haley herself since this all broke?“

Folks: “You know that’s unfortunate because I spent two weeks keeping them apprised of everything. All the rumors—the fact that there has been no communication—listen—I understand they were gonna deny it, I get that. But I think they could have targeted their fire at the people spreading that stuff and not come after me the way they did.“

Folks: “My role is to protect my family—protect my name—my business. All three of which have come under siege, simply because I was forced into a position about having to tell the truth about something.“

Folks: “I didn’t want to be in this position.“

Folks says he sent Haley a message before the story broke.

Folks: “ I sent her a text message letting her know this is what I was gonna do”

Folks: “They asked me to deny it. I told them I couldn’t do that.“

http://bit.ly/c0jVxh

267 Yeah, I'm joining in with the others who say that Red State better stop dicking around and release what they have or I will never hit their site again. 

268 "Good Lord, Lex, what do you want? I said "nada" when I should've said "nada that I've seen so far". Prostrated myself and everything.


So, do YOU think that she gave him a handy under the table at some seedy bar?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:44 PM (7EDH5)"

Yet again, you want to spin this around to the burden being on her.  You call her a skank and say disgusting things about her.  You whine that you're being treated badly, but you repeatedly show you have no problem dishing it out. 

You think you're the victim!  You LIED ABOUT HER.  You're A LIAR.  You have no credibility.  It is gone.  You said you read "EVERYTHING".  You missed the single most critical fact.  You then went on *within seconds of learning your entire awareness of the story was a lie* to say her denial could be consistent with her being a skank, and now, giving hand jobs at a bar.

Of course she didn't do that.  You're a Will Folks fan.  You never commented here until they were linked by this site, and then, you constantly lie about the facts and insinuate that Haley is a disgusting skank whose crystal clear denials can't be trusted.

You are the sleaze that is scared to death of a reformer cleaning up South Carolina.  You already have been shown to be full of shit, so I'm amazed you claim to be the victim and whine that someone else might be a liar.  You clearly have no problem whatsoever with saying things that simply are not the truth.  That's why it's so easy for you to see lies and dishonesty and skankness when normal people see a crystal clear denial by a wonderful parent and wife.

Anyone who has a problem with LinconTf and Will Folks needs to ensure this shit backfires.  Haley needs money to defend her name.

You can give her $10, people.  If you are serious about fighting corruption, it's the best $10 you can spend today.  nikkihaley.com

269 Holy shit, Lex, I've never commented here before? Yeah, I'm a big Will Folks operative sent by Charles Johnson to pollute the blogosphere with tales of Nikki's wanton harlotry. Stop being such a douchebag and start actually reading posts in their context, you whiny little fuck.

270

Your thoughts?

I was keying in on your "gets ugly" thing.  I thought you were saying that she still is damaged if it winds up that he groped her but she spurned his advances.  I sure hope that's not the case.

I hate this sort of thing, but I guess it's time for the husband to make a statement to the press backing up Nikki and making sure that everyone understands that "faithfulness" in their marriage (or whatever she said) means nothing happened. 

Posted by: Y-not

I concur. In a manner of speaking, that is precisely my fear. Please understand that my take is that she and/or those advising her may believe that she cannot acknowledge physical contact without her and her family being subjected to the nightmarish scenario that several people here have envisioned. When that is placed against the very real experiences Sarah Palin and her family have endured, I think that they believe that to be a very likely event.

271 It's a tough call on who to believe on that one.

Yeah, that reminds me of the time when Mike Tyson had been accused of raping 18 y.o. Desiree Washington. One of my co-workers (black) asked me who I believed.

My response was here on the one hand we have Mike Tyson, thug extraordinaire and on the other hand we have a class valedictorian on the church choir. Who do you believe?

272 OK, the format of my comments gets screwed up. 

Go to nikkihaley.com and donate $10 to her, if you really want to see this smear backfire.  If this is the result, we will see far fewer of the sleazy monsters like Folks profit from the destruction of our society.  This corruption is just too powerful to fight without people like you and me doing something about it.

273

 

 You never commented here until they were linked by this site, and then...

hahaha, another AoS troll-hunter sticks his foot in his mouth.

274

 

You noobs need to cool it with it troll hunting crap.

275 Thanks Blue Hen.

---

I guess it's time for the husband to make a statement to the press backing up Nikki

-- might be the right time now but I appreciate he didn't jump up like many a husband rightly might- shows Haley can handle it.

I would love it if he said if asked

"well, Haley and I first just laughed at it and I guess we just keep that up or I might be liable to punch Will Folks in the nose"

276 now now, fakey internet friends.  Let's not bicker and argue about 'o fucked 'o.

277 "Holy shit, Lex, I've never commented here before?
Yeah, I'm a big Will Folks operative sent by Charles Johnson to pollute the blogosphere with tales of Nikki's wanton harlotry.

Stop being such a douchebag and start actually reading posts in their context, you whiny little fuck.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:59 PM (7EDH5)"

I'm a whiney little fuck?

Why?  You obnoxiously asserted that absolutely no denial from Haley had been given, after you read 'everything' on this.  You keep saying nasty stuff like, she's a skank and gives handjobs at the bar. 

Also, you're complaining so much about people simply pointing out that your claims were not the truth.  Am I complaining about your lies?  Of course I am.  But I think I'm pretty justified to make that complain.  I don't think I'm really being all that whiney.  You just can't take even the slightest bit of criticism because you are, in fact, a Will Folks sycophant.  You never commented here before he was linked, and your take on this story, that all that matters is that Haley could be a skank, is downright bizarre.

Of course that's not all that matters.  What Folks did is the core of this story.  Who is behind him and with him is what matters.  Stopping them, by going to nikkihaley.com and donating a few bucks, is what matters.  I realize that Nikki Haley is not perfect and I can't absolutely prove a negative.  There is no way to destroy your repeated and stubborn nasty slurs.  You're a coward, and that's why you can't handle the honest back and forth.

You lied, now you have no credibility, so all you're going to do is call Haley a skank and insist the burden is on her.  Nikkihaley.com, people.

278

I guess it's time for the husband to make a statement to the press backing up Nikki

 

They are likely having the same problem we're having here. What if anything, can they say or do that won't inadvertantly benefit him or whoever is backing this? And what hits can they take that won't result in harm to their family? We here are debating whether discussing this is helpful (as much as any blog exchange can be) or whether this helps the talking turd. I'm settling for giving her the benefit of the doubt, and avoiding giving the jerk any page hits or free rides.

279 You know, this is real simple.  Nikki Haley either told her former staffer, B.J. Boling about the affair as reported or she didn't.

When asked by the Free Times about it, Boling who now works for one of her opponents, Gresham Barrett, said he didn't want to comment about the allegations.

The quote was "you know, it's not something I want to talk about."

At this point, this scandal hurts Gresham Barrett as much as it hurts Nikki Folks.  This BJ Boling guy needs to pipe up.

280 Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 05:01 PM (8x3SC)

I don't think her husband should dignify this for one single minute.   He's not involved.  He's smart to stay out of it, it's her career.   By his silence it is obvious that he supports his wife.   Look how fast sandford's wife was out there with her LL bean wearing bunch of female clones.  She made a statement and she should just go on and prepare for the races and ignore this.  This guy is really making himself look dumb, why should she bail him out?

281 comment at redstate:

NOT Barrett - Folks tried to point at his campaign several times already. That was a diversion. Not McMaster, either - as AG he knows better, and he came out to not only strongly deny any involvement, but to say he doesnÂ’t believe it and point out that Folks is known for false rumors.

That leaves the one guy who has said NOTHING since the scandal broke. Maintained a low profile, kept his same ads running, but no press conference for him. Why miss the free exposure?

Andre Bauer. HeÂ’s got the money, the motivation, and is more friendly with Folks than most SC pols.

282 Good points all on the husband.

283 This very thread show what is totally bad about this kind of shit. We have a lot of red-on-red going on here now.  All with the sad fact that most of the people fighting hard on this are not even from the State of SC.

My point on ALL of these kinds of threads is that we, as people who vote Republican/conservative need to first call anyone who makes these kind of accusations a baseless lying fuck-weasel and then ignore them for the rest of the election.

This is just the kind of shit the Dems have been so successful with. The Repugs are always more than glad to eat their own. Especially when a RINO smears a conservative.

284 NOT Barrett - Folks tried to point at his campaign several times already. That was a diversion. Not McMaster, either - as AG he knows better,

hahahaha, they don't know much about SC then. As I have been saying for several days, McMaster is the prime candidate.

285 Seattle

Do you in hindsight feel bad for the way democrats treated Paula Jones et al as you feel for Will Folks? Just curious.

286 Folks' blog headline says "Haley Refuses To Release Phone, Email Records", but the The Post and Courier article the blog cites only notes:
“I am not wasting any energy on this — none,” Haley said when asked if she would respond voluntary to a request by The Post and Courier for the release of her phone and e-mail records on her state- and campaign-funded accounts.

“If y’all have asked for them, I don’t know about that yet. But I can tell you this right now: I am not wasting any energy on this. It is not worth the time and money of people in this state and it’s not worth the time and energy to get distracted off of this campaign.”

http://bit.ly/bBKBxv

287 At this point, this scandal hurts Gresham Barrett as much as it hurts Nikki Folks.  This BJ Boling guy needs to pipe up.

Posted by: seattle slough

 

Wrong again dog food. It may hurt Barret's campaign. But what can this guy provide? " I say that I heard him/her talk about this?" And that can be corroborated, how? Unless the guy has tapesof her talking, or photographs of them in action, then all he can do is chime in on a rumor. If he does that, then he has just parked himself alongside sick Willie. And the candidate for whom he works. I doubt that his boss wants him to do that.

288 The only revelation so far is that TopsecretK9 has boobs.

Heh. Booooobs.

289

The only revelation so far is that TopsecretK9 has boobs.

Heh. Booooobs.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

 

And that was post #300 ladies and gentlemen. If you wuz expecting us to get better as we ascended, then you don't know us very well. Solid B+ for lightening the mood.

290 "

 You never commented here until they were linked by this site, and then...

hahaha, another AoS troll-hunter sticks his foot in his mouth.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 27, 2010 05:00 PM (Qqb4B)

286

 

You noobs need to cool it with it troll hunting crap.

Posted by: Dr Benton Quest at May 27, 2010 05:01 PM (Qqb4B)"

I didn't call him a troll.  But of course there are tons of phoneys running around being concern trolls or just attempting to steer the conversation by being a jackass.   Also, I'm pretty sure nobody could call me a noob.  I've been following this blog for an awful long time.

He said there was no denial, he had read everything, and when it was proven he was full of shit, called her a skank and started making up sicko fantasies.  I think his hash has never been here before May 26.  Maybe I'm wrong on that, but the crux of my point is that he's obviously getting his information from some terrible sources.  He said he read everything, but even if he had read this blog that he's commenting on he'd have known his claims were untrue.  Hell, if he had read this fucking thread.

It was a particularly damaging claim, too.  And the reaction he's had to it has been completely unreasonable.  If you want to tell me why I'm wrong, go right ahead.  But I'm just pointing out that he's obviously a Folks reader rather than an ace reader, and his whining about Haley's potential dishonesty being the problem is 100% without credibility coming from someone like him, who said things that were untrue and meant to cause damage.

I don't think I'm being unfair about this at all.  I don't really care if you want to call him a troll, but he is full of shit.

291

The only revelation so far is that TopsecretK9 has boobs.

Heh. Booooobs.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2010 05:15 PM (shC/P)

 

That's why I like this blog. It always meanders back to the important things in life.

292 Posted by: jwpaine at May 27, 2010 05:13 PM (g4J4S)==

It seems quite obvious that if Haley had emailed him, douchebag would save them to produce as evidence, right?

293 If doucheness were a hat, Will Folks would be walking around with the Ark Royal on his noggin.

294 Lincolntf, you have really shown your ass on this one.  Every time you have a chance to admit your original statement was stupid and uninformed you compound your stupidity with another ridiculous statement.  100% faithful is vague and fuzzy?  A handjob under the bar?  Why are you trying so hard convince everyone that she is lying? 

295 Posted by: jwpaine at May 27, 2010 05:13 PM (g4J4S)==

It seems quite obvious that if Haley had emailed him, douchebag would save them to produce as evidence, right?

Posted by: Topsecretk9

 

I 'm wondering if the original intention was to make her drop out, so that they didn't have to actually man up and present evidence. Her deciding to hang tough may be a surprise to these scum. Either that, the post Palin boost she got caused someone to flail around and resort to this.

296

Posted by: curious at May 27, 2010 04:56 PM (p302b)

well yeah but I'm talking politically here. I'm just really sick of lawyers as politicians.  They fuck up everything.  Just look at congress and their belief in government can do everything all you need is a 3000 page bill that none of them have even tried reading.  And by not being a lawyer demonstrates you have real intelligence and marketable skills and your first response to any situation will not be "there oughta be a law". 

297 I have to head out. Take care all, and sorry for all of the posts. This one has me puzzled. 

298 Vic -

For those of us who are just rubberneckers as far as SC politics is concerned, could you explain why you're so certain that McMaster is behind this?  What's his character, his past?  Shady associations?

Hell, if you could give me a thumbnail rundown of ALL these mooks (Barrett, Bauer, McMaster), I'd be grateful.  Looks like a bunch of indistiguishable white guys with neat accents, from my vantage point in the Upper Midwest.

299 "This very thread show what is totally bad about this kind of shit. We have a lot of red-on-red going on here now.  All with the sad fact that most of the people fighting hard on this are not even from the State of SC.

My point on ALL of these kinds of threads is that we, as people who vote Republican/conservative need to first call anyone who makes these kind of accusations a baseless lying fuck-weasel and then ignore them for the rest of the election.

This is just the kind of shit the Dems have been so successful with. The Repugs are always more than glad to eat their own. Especially when a RINO smears a conservative.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2010 05:09 PM (6taRI)"

It's just the nature of a party that champions some kind of basic tradition and honor that smears will be very effective.  That's part of why I say the McMaster culprit assumptions (though the most likely) could serve the democrats.  While the timing obviously implied a republican, democrats aren't stupid and if they wanted to create a red on red fight, this is a good way to do it.  Kinda felt that way about the 'Mccain has a black love child' crap.  Sounds like something that would come from a democrat when fantasizing about how Republicans think.

And I'm the most guilty.  There is absolutely no way I'm going to support one of Haley's competitors from the GOP.  None.  If I've been played, and it's totally possible, then I've been played well.

300

Sounds a lot like Fucks is getting paid for smearing a threat to the old boy's network ((an I say that as an "old boy," meself [but not in SC])

My boss pretty much let it slip that the old boys' network does its best to keep "you women" out.

 

 

301 Topsecretk9: "It seems quite obvious that if Haley had emailed him, douchebag would save them to produce as evidence, right?"

Well, my guess is that Folks encouraged the Post and Courier to ask Haley for her email and phone records hoping that she would decline, which would put her in a bad light.

You read that PaC article, and it is very slanted toward Folks' agenda.

302 @152 - well, I'm at home now so my hash should be different if it goes by IP.  As for the building at work...starts with an "R".  Don't want to be too much more specific than that due to my paranoia.

I love South Carolina, I lived there for 7 1/2 years, but it's a damn weird little state.  It's a state who had a sitting Representative walk over to the Senate and issue a straight-outta-Compton beatdown on a Senator (Preston Brooks and Charles Sumner, 1856).  It produced one of the nastiest, meanest, most vile men ever to sit in the state governor's mansion and the Senate ("Pitchfork Ben" Tillman).  And its most famous political son was the friggin' Humpty Hump of Capitol Hill...Strom Thurmond.  Ol' Strom probably got busy pretty much everywhere but a Burger King bathroom.  Everybody knew Strom was a horndog and they sent him back to Washington for forty-eight years.  (Probably for their daughters' safety back home.)

None of which makes Will Folks any less of a doucherag.  I just wanted an excuse to use the line "Humpty Hump of Capitol Hill."

303


And by not being a lawyer demonstrates you have real intelligence and marketable skills and your first response to any situation will not be "there oughta be a law".


Yes, of course, because all lawyers are on the side of big government.

When under fire, be sure to bitch about the armorer next to you in the trenches when your gun breaks.

304

 I think his hash has never been here before May 26.  Maybe I'm wrong on that,

Yeah you're wrong on that especially since I recognize his name even more than yours so he's beenn around for awhile.  Idiocy or not of his statements aside the "I've been on this blog longer than you so don't you dare call me a noob" pissing matches are fucking pathetic, and almost worse than declaring everyone not siding with you on a subject a concern troll or a LGF plant.

305 He's dening he was paid and says

"

“I did not ask for this fight. In fact, I worked with Nikki’s campaign at every step of this process to prevent this information from coming out – a claim which has been extensively documented,” Folks said."

Is it weird that he calls his working with the campaign a "claim"?

Also, like Ace sayd, he broke the so-called story and saying he worked to keep it from coming out just does not comport with protecting his wife. Also again, doesn't this statement seem slightly different than his statement before?

306

 

buzzion is an old AoS homo from way back, so listen to him

 

 

307


his freaky guy just walked in started fondling my boobs. While HIS wife was there.


Pics or GTFO, TSK9.


_{(lol, what kind of "party" was this?)}

308 Waving Bye Blue Hen!!!

309 "You know, this is real simple.  Nikki Haley either told her former staffer, B.J. Boling about the affair as reported or she didn't.

When asked by the Free Times about it, Boling who now works for one of her opponents, Gresham Barrett, said he didn't want to comment about the allegations.

The quote was "you know, it's not something I want to talk about."

At this point, this scandal hurts Gresham Barrett as much as it hurts Nikki Folks.  This BJ Boling guy needs to pipe up.

Posted by: seattle slough at May 27, 2010 05:07 PM (JRGA6)"

That's compelling, but imagine if Boling wanted to deny this rumor, knowing that if he did it would destroy his employer's campaign.  He might feel it best to just refuse to comment on it.  I would greatly prefer if he simply fessed up totally.  But I don't know this guy except that he associated with Folks in some way.  Does anyone know if he's a stand up guy?

310 And I'm the most guilty.  There is absolutely no way I'm going to support one of Haley's competitors from the GOP.  None.  If I've been played, and it's totally possible, then I've been played well.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
What is the point of speculating which of her opponents was the source of all this?  It's not like this is a fabulously expensive undertaking that requires a wealthy benefactor.  If this is false, which it appears to be, the most likely instigator is pretty obvious.  Not everything is a goddamn clandestine operation.  This, by the way, is what Occam's Razor refers to, not the all rumors are true thing like that one lawyer asshole said.

311

 

I've seen k9's pic.

312 The quote was "you know, it's not something I want to talk about."

At this point, this scandal hurts Gresham Barrett as much as it hurts Nikki Folks.  This BJ Boling guy needs to pipe up.

Posted by: seattle slough at May 27, 2010 05:07 PM (JRGA6)"

Yeah that makes sense. A woman not know for having affairs has one and then confesses to a guy working on her opponents campaign.

I mean why wouldn't that happen.

313

Yes, of course, because all lawyers are on the side of big government.

When under fire, be sure to bitch about the armorer next to you in the trenches when your gun breaks.

Posted by: s'moron at May 27, 2010 05:27 PM (UaxA0)

I didn't say all lawyers are bad.  But really to put it simply I have more faith in a businessman turned politician than a lawyer turned politician.  And really enough of them are on big governments side that when I hear "lawyer" that is my first reaction just like when I hear democrat I'm going to think pro-abortion anti-gun.  But you wouldn't call me out on that despite there being pro-gun pro-life democrats in existence.  And I think a lot of it can boil down to more laws means more work for them.

314 "

Yeah you're wrong on that especially since I recognize his name even more than yours so he's beenn around for awhile.  Idiocy or not of his statements aside the "I've been on this blog longer than you so don't you dare call me a noob" pissing matches are fucking pathetic, and almost worse than declaring everyone not siding with you on a subject a concern troll or a LGF plant.

Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2010 05:27 PM (oVQFe)"

Hey, I didn't say "I've been on this blog loner than you".  I didn't say anything like that.  I didn't say he was a troll and I didn't mention LGF (he did).

All I said was that he was full of shit and obviously where he gets his information was terrible.

Maybe you should reread my comments.  You're out of line.  All I said was that I'm not a noob.  I didn't claim seniority. 

End of the line: lincolntf said shit that wasn't true, and his reaction to this being pointed out was extremely unreasonable.  I didn't say he was a troll, but I think he's got no credibility.

315

I've seen k9's pic.

Posted by: Dr Benton Quest at May 27, 2010 05:33 PM (Qqb4B)

Did Will Folks show it to you?

316 s'moron

I swear it was the weirdest thing. He was a hairdresser with a creepy look and a gay vibe. he like forced his way in and just started to go to town till I pushed him out. I don't know maybe he was just a Buffalo Bill looking gay aspergers or something. I just don't know how a woman married him.

I don't spend too much thinking about (not  traumatized, more pissed they blamed me though) but I have wondered if a person who could do that didn't go on to rape someone.

317 And yeah, his nick has been around for a while.  I was wrong to claim he hadn't commented here before the folks blog thing.  Just the hash is that new, as far as I can tell, which means nothing.

318

 

hahaha, yeah.

but seriously...I did

319 Are you fucking kidding me? How many times do i have to say it? I had no idea she had said the "100% Faithful" thing, that's the "lie" this jackass is yammering about. Everything after that was fucking with LeLu and reading the links. Not everybody who asks a question or poses a hypothetical is looking to manipulate people or push a fucking conspiracy. I was chatting. You people were going off your fucking gourds. Look, I get that some of you think it was somehow a dick move (I'd love to know what my secret scary motives were), but the people I generally see posting here probably generally get what I meant and what I'm generally about, generally. Not to generalize, but... So if a few of you don't dig me, so be it. I don't hate Haley, I don't like Folks and I'm gonna stop this sentence right here before I risk a banning for obscenity to the point of incitement... Beer calls.

320 Dr Benton Quest

Proof of Life?

321

buzz, we're on the same side here, but that's not what you said.  So I'll let it go for my part.  Really, though, the last thing I want to see more of is Amishmagician's anti-lawyer screeds.

It would be wonderful if we could all be particle physicists, but some folks just can't do math.  I'm fairly up on particle theory, but I can't work my way through an equation to save my eyes.  And I flatter myself to consider what I do as helping rather than hurting the cause.

322 " This, by the way, is what Occam's Razor refers to, not the all rumors are true thing like that one lawyer asshole said.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at May 27, 2010 05:33 PM (+lsX1)"

Yeah, I'm acknowledging that.  I also know that some of these people employ game theory and understand they can use 'Occam's Razor' thinking.  In fact, when it's clear someone is manipulating the media, trying to turn and election around, and using quite a bit of dishonestly, I think we have to be wary about assuming that the most simple explanations are the true ones

323 Blue Hen:

Boling certainly knows whether Nikki Haley did or did not admit to him that she had an affair with Will Folks.  Yes?

IF she did, then, I would agree, he'd just be painted as yet another political enemy piling on the accusations.  Though this isn't a "rumor."  It is direct first hand testimony.  She told him.  Not a heard thought the grapevine kind of thing.  But I get the point.

On the other hand:

If she didn't.  If Nikki Haley never told BJ Boling that she slept with Will Folks, then it would be real easy for him to say that, right?  "Nikki Haley never told me anything about this."  Done.  It releases a lot of pressure off his employer and he's out of it.  Regardless of what kind of proof Will Folks produces.  He just simply says I didn't hear that.

But he doesn't.

Imagine that you worked for Nikki Haley.  Now you work for her opponent.  Then a reporter calls you and asks "did Nikki Haley admit to you she slept with Will Folks?"

"You know, it's not something I want to talk about."

324

Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at May 27, 2010 05:35 PM (dUOK+)

You did claim to have not seen his hash before yesterday so that's kind of getting into a "how long have you been here" claim.  And the rest was more of a general distaste for those tactics.  They've been thrown around quite a bit lately by several people, claims of people trolling or being from LGF when that person has been around for years.  Should have separated that into a separate sentence so I didn't seem like I was only calling you out on things like that.

325 "I had no idea she had said the "100% Faithful" thing, that's the "lie" this jackass is yammering about. Everything after that was fucking with LeLu and reading the links."

But you claimed you read "everything".  You hadn't even read everything on this blog, which isn't really that much.

and yeah, your reaction to that 'well, saying she's been unfaithful doesn't mean she didn't give a handjob' is unreasonable.  The burden isn't on her, yet you keep putting it on her.  You shouldn't have such impossible standards of truth for others, while also having such terrible standards for yourself.  When you say you read everything, but also assert something that is huge and untrue, that's bullshit, man.

326

TSK9, maybe he was just a hairdresser that loved titties (the wife was probably relieved that he was fondling a woman, I suppose)

Seriously, though, if you have any pics to unload, feel free to unburden yourself (I was going to say "get them off your chest" inadvertently) to us oh-so-sympathetic morons.

327

 

nah, K9 it was at another blog which is dead to me.

so what's the deal, are you gonna disappear for another couple months, or are you sticking around for a while?

328 Gotcha Lex. This is my first day on the Internet and all, so I really appreciate all your help.

329

Really, though, the last thing I want to see more of is Amishmagician's anti-lawyer screeds.

Heh, well good luck with that but, well you're a lawyer.

330 "Should have separated that into a separate sentence so I didn't seem like I was only calling you out on things like that.

Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2010 05:42 PM (oVQFe)"

No problem.  I admitted I was wrong in that claim, but my specific point (not completely wrong) was that if someone was repeating Folks's bullshit and had only been here since Folks's blog was linked, that they are probably a Folks's fan and thus pretty damn not credible.

In no way is that a 'I've been here longer than you so I have more awesomeness'.  That argument relied on someone being a fan of an asshole like Folks, not on any kind of seniority claim.

331 rather than "not completely wrong" I meant "now completely wrong"

332 and Seattle Slough isn't helping give lawyers a steller reputation here. You have to admit.

333 I'm out folks they are power washing my house and it sounds like I am sitting on a runway. I need to go to a nice quiet bar with large breasted women in it.

334

not directed at anyone, just on the topic of troll-calling:

THis has been bothering me for months, too.  A LOT of odl regulars post very infrequently (who did I see the other day, Kennsington and ed snate...someone else)  anyway, it's tedious.  Ive been through about 6 names and 4 hashes over 5 years, so even if someone's not recognizable, don't jump ugly all the time, morons. 

One thing was nearly universal here, and that was debate.  It's never been an echo chamber.  Unless someone's obviously trolling, don't whip out the [troll] or [concern] labels unless you know for sure (like with erg or, hell, cedarford if he ever showed up again)

335 Bye Robtr

340

In and out. I'm stuck on twitter though.

336 "Gotcha Lex. This is my first day on the Internet and all, so I really appreciate all your help.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 05:44 PM (7EDH5)"

You do seem to need some basic reasoning help.  I admit, your hash only appearing after Folks's blog was linked made me assert you are a folk's fan.  Anyone who reads that blog and believes it is a fucking idiot.

I don't know why you missed such a major detail.  I don't know why you would assert something that isn't true, that is easy to check, and practically impossible not to notice if you read 'everything'.  Whatever. 

People fuck up.  I don't think that's why you're unreasonable.  When it was shown your claim was full of shit, you decided to dig deeper, saying, within seconds, that the denial you just said didn't even exist, wasn't good enough.  You asserted it sounded, to you, like some sleazy attempt to cover for cheating.

I don't see how a normal person finds "I've been faithful for my entire 13 year marriage" to have any loopholes at all.  I don't think your 'maybe she's a skank!' or 'She maybe gave him a handjob in a bar' reactions, you claim are based on her denial's impression in your head, are reasonable.

And as I've said, they keep turning the burden onto Haley.  She's supposed to shut down her campaign, and devote 100% of her time to proving a negative.  She can't talk about the issues anymore, because, as you said, what matters to you is if she's a skank.

Since your own claims were not the truth, I think you have no credibility on this 'her denial just smells dishonest' line of thinking.

I don't know why you brought up LGF.  I don't care about them.  But may I ask, where in the world did you read 'everything' about this?  Are you a Folks blog reader?  Is that really your primary source?  Your source clearly isn't this blog, after all.  I've already proven that.

337 Oh and 340

I was one of those people locked out of Ace's for MONTHS (like 5) in that snafu

338

But you claimed you read "everything". 

Um Lex no he didn't...

I've read what I believe are all of the links and I've yet to see her really say anything definitive about her relationship with Willy. Have I missed something important?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 04:02 PM (7EDH5)  

He didn't say he read everything and even asked if he was missing something.  Doesn't at all sound like he was being absolutist in any way.

339 robtr:  I just saw your point about her not telling a guy who works for her opponent.  I wanted to make it clear that the allegation is she told him when he worked for her.

And when asked about this, he said he didn't want to talk about it.  So he was unwilling to confirm or deny.

340 OK -- I'll be  back later. Gotta go do some things.

341 I'll say it because it's not like I'm burning a bridge...

Lex and Lincoln:  Both of you, give it a rest already. 

342 s'moron, fair enough.

But let's not let that get in the way of the real debate.  I feel like I made a fair case against Lincolntf's reasoning, and then the rebuttal is 'Don't say you've been here longer!  don't say he's an LGF troll!  Don't make such invalid rebuttals!'

I agree, those rebuttals would have been unreasonable.  Troll catchers, and I probably do that more than I should, aren't as effective as the actual debaters. 

But I'm still interested in lincolntf backing up his claim that he read every link and never saw even the most basic showing of Haley's side of it.  He didn't even know she made *any* sort of denial.  What blog or website was he checking that he thinks was so reliable, and yet is clearly so unreliable?  He spat out LGF... I don't think that's it.

343

 

who did I see the other day, Kennsington and ed snate...someone else

comatus the other morning. It's getting fickin ridiculous.

344 "I'll say it because it's not like I'm burning a bridge...

Lex and Lincoln:  Both of you, give it a rest already. 

Posted by: seattle slough at May 27, 2010 05:56 PM (JRGA6)"

Why?  Isn't a major aspect of this story how the media is handling it?  I want to know where he read every link and thought he had a full coverage, but didn't know some of the most central details.

I want to know why he has this attitude that the burden is on Haley, that the issue is if she's skank, etc.

345

 

I don't Tweet, k9.

346 For those of us who are just rubberneckers as far as SC politics is concerned, could you explain why you're so certain that McMaster is behind this?  What's his character, his past?  Shady associations?

McMaster has been part of the State Republican hierarchy for a long time. He is currently AG so there is no voting record there. He was a big McCain backer for the primary in 2008.  That should tell you all you need to know about him. 

I am not "certain" that he is behind this, hell if I was it would take hard evidence and I would have put that out there already and given it to the newspapers. What I said was that he is the "prime candidate" because before Palin endorsed Haley he was in the lead. Since then he has been relegated to a distant second place.  But most of all, think of him as long established good ole boy Party establishment.

Bauer is the Lt. Gov and I don't know a lot about him other than he has made some really stupid statements when the campaign started and it appears that he is in last place and hasn't got a chance. He also started out acting like he would support Sanford then immediately started stabbing him in the back. (Which is probably why he is in last place).

I don't know much about Barrett at all.

Haley however has been a hard fiscal conservative and supported Sanford in all of his attempts to hold in spending and tax hikes. Haley is the favorite of the Tea Party here as well.

347 Kinda felt that way about the 'Mccain has a black love child' crap.

You know that McCain love child shit I never heard about until after the election. I went around work and asked about 100 people if they had got one of those calls and had zero yes answers.

So I wonder about the validity of that thing.

348

349 by the way, why can't he be a troll?

Someone pointed out that claiming seniority is irrational.  But I didn't do that.  That was a misunderstanding, but even once one argument is settled (that he's been here for a while,  under a different hash) why should that shut down the entire discussion?

Of course there are trolls.  Even the best commenters can occasionally say something that is obnoxious.  We don't have a reputation beyond what we say, so why can't I question where lincolntf is coming from without all this civility minding?

I don't think this is a very good example of a debate that should be shut down because there are too many troll hunters.  My apologies to anyone who is annoyed at my questions, though.

350

 

so debate him, already

it's like Godwin's rule.

pulling the troll card is the same thing as pulling the hitler card.

351

 

except for seattle slough, who is a nasty dishonest moonbat troll

352 @362
fwiw, I think s/he came off as a troll, too.  Too much unsupported assertions, 'just asking questions' (without doing any reason), and beating the same dead horse.  Trollish behavior, if not a classic troll. 
It doesn't really matter.  I think you and others made good points.  The burden of proof rests on the accuser, a guy who most agree stinks to high heaven. 
Don't let it get to you. 

353 Wasn't there a rumor that O did coke in the back of a limo with a gay guy? Where there's smoke there's fire!

354 Lex, what you're doing here could be construed as trolling. Fer shit's sake, even Seattle Slough is behaving better than that. Stupid, but behaving.

355 News: http://bit.ly/dBuCCX
In a new article entitled "Haley flatly denies affair with political blogger", WIS10 says Folks released nearly a thousand pages of phone records. Additionally, the article notes:

When questioned about potential legal action against Folks, Haley says she has spoke with her husband and said there would be steps taken in due time.

"There will be a time and place for when all this is over that we will take care of this accordingly," said Haley.

356 Posted by: Moose4 at May 27, 2010 05:26 PM (ZN+Dd)

Most of us hear view the Preston Brooks beat-down of Sumner with pride. As for Pitchfork Ben Tillman he had some good point and he had some bad points. One has to keep in mind that he came into office in a time when the State was an occupied territory and the government had been dictated at the point of a bayonet.

As for Horndog Strom how many other politicians do you know who would acknowledge an illegitimate black daughter and support her through college?  Surely that champion of black rights Teddy Kennedy would right???

I myself am not an original resident of SC. I was born in VA, grew up in GA, and I have lived all over the United States in the North, The West and just about everywhere.

One of the things I did after I moved here was get a copy of "South Carolina A History" by Walter Edgar. It is a college textbook for State history here and it is a good read. I recommend you read it.

357

367 Lex, what you're doing here could be construed as trolling. Fer shit's sake, even Seattle Slough is behaving better than that. Stupid, but behaving.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2010 06:12 PM (TATbF)

Yeah I mean even your claim of him saying he read everything is a little silly.  He even directly asked if he had missed something. 

358 http://bit.ly/dBuCCX

359 Vic, McMaster is the obvious choice but I think it's Fast Andy Bauer because it seems like he has the most to lose.

I also don't rule out the possibility that this is someone's campaign operative taking the initiative and running a solo operation. This news that Boling, who works for Barrett and was supposedly informed by his former employer Haley, has said that he won't comment on the story makes me wonder if perhaps he's behind it. Consider this: if the story's not true and you say it's not true, then more than likely your employer (Barrett) loses. On the other hand, if the story's not true and you refuse to comment, then (a) you haven't technically told a lie (although I believe this could be a lie by omission) (b) you can claim to be taking the moral high ground ("I will never engage in the politics of personal destruction"), and (c) you leave open to the public the chance that this might be true, thereby possibly raising doubt amongst the voters and maybe getting your employer into position for a runoff. So for the people who ask why would Boling refuse comment, there's your answer.

I wasn't going to take the time to vote but I will now, and I've told me wife about this and she'll be heading to the polls too.

360

uniball, that was it.  Though he is around occasionally, like Kennsington.

361 349 Fuck off, Sharmuta.

362 242 Blue Hen Your theory is interesting. I had thought maybe she was flirty with him and he cool with manipulating that. Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 04:32 PM (8x3SC) Seriously? Why would she flirt with him? That pic of Folks with his arms around Haley and Sanford pretty much convinced me that there's just no way...no way she sought him out for a relationship. Doughy douchebag...shudder. No way. Now, she may have been kind to him, and may not have broken his wrist after he tried to fondle her or something, but flirt? Ugh.

363 Just watched WIS10's interview with Haley that accompanies their article, and I have to say, she is very credible in her denials of any sexual contact with Folks. Toward the end, she doesn't answer a question put to her directly, and that made me a bit uncomfortable, since it pertained to whether she would condemn a public official who lied about anything, including personal matters, but her response was very much "on message" (we're not going to be distracted), so I dunno. Overall, she's credible.

364 Empire of Jeff, what exactly was wrong with my behavior?

Is it the idea of saying someone is a noob?  I was defending myself from that, not doing it.  People misunderstood my defense because I didn't quote the attack, but when I say I've been here for many years, I'm only saying I'm not the noob I was accused of being, not saying it actually matters.

Was it saying someone is a troll?  I am defending myself from that.  You're doing it.

Is it saying that Lincolntf's arguments are one-sided, show a lack of awareness of the situation, and are unreasonable?  I am guilty as charged!

Is it that I'm being a bit of a dick, using swear words, etc?  Welcome to ace.mu.nu.

Again, my goal isn't to stir up a bunch of shit, and I'm sorry that I agitated this reaction, but it really does piss me off that people like Lincolntf were so unfair.  I explicitly call bullshit on several of his claims, such as the claim the denial fails the smell test, that he didn't know such a denial occurred but also was following this story very closely and fairly.  Sure, he left himself the 'maybe I'm wrong' out.  I should mention, I did the exact same thing when asking if he was only here for the last couple of days (which I was wrong about, of course).

I think part of the problem is that you and buzz are so tired of troll hunters that you're assuming I'm not making a reasonable point because I think lincolntf is a dickhead.

365 I just think you're being a bit overly obsessive with the "you said you had read 'everything' Admit you were wrong about that. Admit it! Admit it NOW!" 

366 It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again!

367 I think there's science out there confirming what I notice in real life - men tend to think too much of a woman's smile, or attempts to be nice and friendly. Once when over the moon in love with my eventual husband, with eyes for no other, I was shocked to find out a young man I'd recently trained to take over my job was telling everyone how I was really into him and putting the moves on him; which apparently consists of smiling and general friendliness.

368 That is so asking for it, SarahW!

369 Ingrid

I didn't say " I want to do you"flirty, just sorta fun, jokey flirty and he's a dick and knows he's manipulating and equivocating. (like he's justifying "she did put her had on my for arm" so that's inappropriate physical)


Below are tweets from a FOX NEws producer down in Columbia---

Sounds like other tv stations still giving Folks/Haley air time. My gut is that's the aim of all this. I'm done if no pic/video/audio proof.
about 2 hours ago via web

Attention world. Folks' phone calls will show we've spoken. I confess we've been in same room too. Just trying to get out in front of story.
about 3 hours ago via web

370 "378 I just think you're being a bit overly obsessive with the "you said you had read 'everything' Admit you were wrong about that. Admit it! Admit it NOW!" 

Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2010 07:00 PM (oVQFe)"

OK, fair enough.  I think it's damn implausible that he had even barely attempted to read up on this and missed that to the point where he could confidently claim she was not denying anything.

Sorry, but I felt it was a point worth being a prick about.  The reaction he had to learning he had just said something really harmful that wasn't the truth was "Oh Please".  And "that denial sucks" (It doesn't).

But yes, I really did rail on that point.  I think it's bizarre someone would claim to know this story well and not be aware of that part of it.  It's like saying you are an expert on chemistry but don't know what Hydrogen is.

371 " since it pertained to whether she would condemn a public official who lied about anything"

Um, I know what they're getting at... IIRC, Haley didn't exactly condemn Sanford...

372 Oh FFS.  This is bullshit.

373 SarahW

Yep.

I still think he thought he was going to get a bunch of work on her campaign and he got nothing nada and he's pissed

But it could be that he put a move on her and she turned down.

374 also, another point I made what that we really need to see what redstate knows, so that instead of speculating about what's going on, we can reject most of the possibilities. 

I'm extremely annoyed at the notion that Haley has to disprove any possibility of anything.  There's no evidence, and the assertions are clearly from a liar.  Her denial is ironclad.  Her reputation is strong enough that it's fucked up to call her a skank giving handjobs in the bar.  Or suggest her denial opens the door for that.  Of course that's a lie.  No one sincerely accepts that she thinks her denial opens up the door for that, but the assertions are so vague she can never really get completely around them.

TSK9 quotes the idea that even a touch on the arm, or being in the same room, could give Folks something consistent with his vague claims.  And yet I have to tolerate a politician I respect and view as the future of the GOP being slurred.  Yes, that pisses me off a bit.

What else pisses me off is conservatives playing games with this.  I'm sure a lot of people like other candidates than Haley.  And a lot of bloggers like a sexy story they can use for self promotion.  Let me give you an example that REALLY pisses me off.

"

Oh, and you guys in the media, youÂ’ve let Folks string you along. WeÂ’re going to string you along.

Tune in later for the answer."

That's the latest from Red State.  I do not appreciate a very important election being hijacked so a blog can, in their own words, string people along.  I don't want to tune in later.  Tell me the fucking news.

Until they do, I have to defend Haley from 'maybe she's giving out handjobs and a skank!  Her absolute denial didn't cover that specifically, hell, did she deny anything!!!!!lol!!!!'  I know that's kinda annoying.  Perhaps it's not necessary for most of the readers here, but clearly some people are buying into the 'where there's smoke there's fire shit', which is unfairly harming a candidate I believe in.

375 Hadn't thought of that. I suppose that may have been reason enough to sidestep the question...

376 I'm bizarrely missing parts of major stories right now!!!! Arrrrggghhhh!!!!! Seriously, Lex. if you thought I was a troll or that I had never been here before, couldn't you probe a little before going on a jihad? Within a post or two I made it clear that I was looking for more info. And I assume it was clear that I wasn't taking this whole thing very seriously to begin with, (but maybe I failed in that regard). Here's the thing, Lex. Accusing someone of being behind the times on the latest news cycle is not the same as accusing someone of being a manipulative liar.

377 Sorry, my last comment was addressed to #384 from yarrrrr

378
grown women don't give handjobs

379
right?

380
okay, zip it, Lancelot Link.

the only reason I came to your defense is because you were a Masshole once.

^{haha, j/k}

381 "
Seriously, Lex. if you thought I was a troll or that I had never been here before, couldn't you probe a little before going on a jihad?

I don't really care about your reputation anymore.  You've been ridiculous, you are very uninformed about basic aspects of stories you claim to be extremely well versed in, and you're just plain nasty.  you're the using the term skank and fantasizing about handjobs being plausible within the denial of any unfaithfulness.

This isn't really about you.  If anyone respects anything you say, there's nothing I'm going to be able to do to change that at this point.  You've really been nasty for no reason, you've been much harsher towards me than I've been towards you, despite my arguments being much more reasonable than yours.

Anyway, I did say you may not be a troll.  I did say only that your hash was very new, and that I may have been wrong (I said this before people corrected me, noting you weren't new).  I never said it mattered how much seniority you had... people said that about me, though.  I just said I thought you were acting like a Folks fan.

"Accusing someone of being behind the times on the latest news cycle is not the same as accusing someone of being a manipulative liar.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 07:25 PM (7EDH5)"

You are both.  It is simply unfair to say Haley's denial leaves open all the disgusting fantasies you've had in this thread.  I can't prove this, but I do think you were dishonest about either reading everything here or not knowing about this denial.

Your comment about the handjobs and the rest if very trollish.  I don't know if you meant it to be.  I don't really care.  It's obviously obnoxious and meant to stir up the shit about an innocent person.  As you've said, what matters to you isn't anything Folks has done, or the corruption that may be behind it.  All that matters to you is if Haley is really a "skank".  Ugh.

I find a different aspect interesting.

What I find interesting is Red State's 'We're stringing you along with this cliffhanger' approach.  That's letting people like you destroy Haley's credibility.  I don't think she can recover from that in time for the primary.  I don't think Red State has enough to prove a negative, which is your standard.  This is why I've asked you to clarify your earlier comments.  You say you read 'every link' somewhere.  I just want to know where.  Folks's site?  Your take on this mirrors theirs, after all, and your comments don't make sense if you meant this site.

Just curiosity.  I think this particular 'are you a troll' debate is not worthwhile and I apologize for even slightly implying it matters.  What matters is where you got your impression.

382

You've been ridiculous, you are very uninformed about basic aspects of stories you claim to be extremely well versed in, and you're just plain nasty.

Dude, really I think the only one claiming that lincoln has claimed to be any sort of expert on this topic is you

383 I think he didn't get work from her like expected.

OK -- If I am correct he posted that weird robot vid

"Jun 02, 2009 First referral from - www.F*&tsnews.com"

and Erickson says he's been shopping the story for about a year....

And I have been browsing around his site and I'll be damned if it seems like she's the candidate he wants. All the stories  I see things like he calls her a long shot and take this for instance..------

Haley resigned from her job as assistant executive director of the Lexington Medical Foundation because she says she wanted to devote all her time/energy to her gubernatorial campaign but

"but that strikes us as a rather odd explanation considering that Haley has basically been splitting her time already between campaigning and serving in the state legislature...

So Â… why would she give up a $110,000 a year job with six weeks to go in an election she seems unlikely to win?

ThatÂ’s the question a lot of Palmetto politicos are asking themselves right now.

Adding fuel to insidersÂ’ speculation is the fact that HaleyÂ’s campaign appears to have been caught flat-footed in responding to the original news reports."

Is that the stupidest speculation you've ever heard?

And there is one in March that is VERY, VERY interesting in which a reporter asked Folks who he was working for as a blogger, as there were rumors --- I wish I could paste the whole thing. It's odd

" Originally, the rumor circulating within the Palmetto political world was that our founding editor was “on the payroll” of the gubernatorial campaign of S.C. Rep. Nikki Haley (R-Lexington) or Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer (RINO-Newberry).

“Are you working for Vincent Sheheen?” the reporter asked.

“Huh?” he replied, a bit taken aback.

“Well you never seem to have anything negative to say about him,” they replied."

The reporter never asked about Haley you see..."

384

MORE:

"According to the theory, Sic has a major man-crush not on Sheheen, but on S.C. Senator Tom Davis – who as things stand now would be among the GOP front-runners in 2014 should a Democrat (like Sheheen) capture the GovernorÂ’s Mansion in 2010.  Therefore, the theory goes, Sic is working to help elect the most “electable” of the 2010 Democrats – a.k.a. Sheheen.

Interesting notion, right?

Unfortunately for all the schemers out there, itÂ’s just not true (although judging from SheheenÂ’s bank account, we wish that it was).

HereÂ’s the deal Â…

Despite several offers, Sic Willie made a decision prior to the 2008 presidential primary election to refrain from working for any candidate"

uh huh.

385
curiouser and curiouser

386 Thanks buzz and others. My fault for playing along with Lex. Apparently I'm a vicious anti-Haley operative who lies and smears people out of a deep need to do something or other. I lost track after LuLu said "disgusting fantasies". You're a peach, L.L., a real peach.

387 well we are just going to have to wait for the first pictures and then if we are lucky THE SEX TAPE

388
stfu, dunce

389 Hmmmmm

This is online chat with Wes Donehue in Dec. 09.


jasontspencer: @wesleydonehue Name some of the hottest 2010 races. (The Hill has already named SCÂ’s 4th Congressional one of the top 7 nationally)

wesleydonehue: @jasontspencer 2nd congressional. 1st cong. gubernatorial.

jasontspencer: @wesleydonehue The Dems certainly have a strong field in the gubernatorial race. Which one would be hardest for a Republican to beat?

wesleydonehue: @jasontspencer Vincent Sheheen. HeÂ’s a very polished individual.

whatthefolks: @wesleydonehue why did you work with Will Folks to bring down Katon Dawson last year during the RNC race

wesleydonehue: @whatthefolks now thatÂ’s funny. you obviously donÂ’t know me and Will

-----

and here is whatthefolks twitter page and up to Dec 2009, whatthefolks had a real problem with Folks

http://twitter.com/whatthefolks

FITSNews blogger Will Folks has posted what appear to be nearly 100 text messages among himself, Haley spokesman Tim Pearson, GOP consultant Wes Donehue and Associated Press reporter Jim Davenport going back to May 13. On Monday, Folks announced that he previously had an “inappropriate physical relationship” with Haley, but provided very few details.

390 "You've been ridiculous, you are very uninformed about basic aspects of stories you claim to be extremely well versed in, and you're just plain nasty.

Dude, really I think the only one claiming that lincoln has claimed to be any sort of expert on this topic is you

Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2010 07:41 PM (oVQFe)"

Would you mind actually quoting something where I said that he was an expert?  You didn't.  I said he claimed to be well versed.

here's the quotes I guess you missed.

"" If we abandon Haley over these obviously bullshit charges,"

If they're obviouisly bullshit, I expect Haley to say so. So far, nada.
So if the charges are not bullshit, and she did cheat on her husband with Turtle from "Entourage", then by accepting her we'd be just like the dishonorable Dems who claim that a person who habitually lies and selfishly destroys his/her own family won't do the same to the country when in high office.

Haley has about 24 hours before I decide that this W.F. turd (paid or not) is telling the truth (in his own profiteering little way)..

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2010 03:56 PM (7EDH5)"

And to be absolutely clear, after several people in this very thread remarked on her denial, he said

"Are you a psycho or a drunk?

I've read what I believe are all of the links and I've yet to see her really say anything definitive about her relationship with Willy. Have I missed something important?"

In other words, HE CLAIMED TO HAVE READ ALL LINKS.  I asked him where he read all links and what he meant by that several times, while noting that his strange awareness of only one side, and my mistaken impression of his tenure here, made me suspect he had only read Folks's view.

He's gone from that claim, which he claimed even after several people pointed it out, but backed off of once the denial was quoted several times, to saying this absolutely ironclad denial has holes wide enough for a variety of nasty comments he then made.

"I lost track after LuLu said "disgusting fantasies".

You're a peach, L.L., a real peach."

OK, anyone can go through the thread and see that you've been pretty ugly.  I don't mind that.  This is aceofspades and that's part of the ambiance.  You've been both whining about my reaction, which is based on argument, which your constant insults.  I get that some people are tired of 'troll hunters'.  I could just repeat my explanation of why your comments are unreasonable, but it's obviously rude to keep saying the same thing.  As you are.

Buzz, I think I've demonstrated that you're wrong.  I didn't claim he was an expert.  I said I think he's dishonest to claim he read every link on something and deny (after at least three commenters pointed it out) the existence of the denial.  Yes, just before he gave it up, he said 'maybe I'm wrong'.  So what?  He's still full of shit and placing the burden on Haley and claiming the only interesting thing about this case is if she's a skank... I don't understand how that's reasonable, but everyone is entitled to their view.

I've gone out of my way to explain myself.  I'm not whining about it.  but why aren't you upset with lincolntf's bullshit comments towards me?  I think it's because you don't expect jack shit out of an obvious troll, but you don't want to actually come out and call him a troll.

391 You know what, I'm just distracting from the issue here.  I'd like red state to go ahead and stop playing cliff hanger.  I don't really want to help lincolntf keep repeating that Haley's denial opens up the door to his fantasies, or that she's possible a skank.

I'm out for the time being.  Sorry for the mess!

The issue is that NikkiHaley.com needs some support to deal with this vicious and coordinated and impossible to completely defeat slur.  Whether you think I'm a raging douchebag or not, if you want this tactic to fail you should give her at least a few bucks at nikkyhaley.com.

392 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceFVpJ-Gyc

Hey since unproven accusations against politicians are popular, why doesn't the press contact Larry Sinclair about his special night with Barak Hussein Obama?
This one seems more relevant to me?

Will folks seems to be the same type of person as Sinclair!  He and Folks just want everyone to learn the honest truth.  Has anyone asked the White House about this?

393 Batchelor discussing Will folks now

394

Would you mind actually quoting something where I said that he was an expert?

Well you are the one playing loose with wording.  Since you claim he said to have read everything.  Guess it kind of sucks when people claim you say something when you didn't.  Let me rephrase to make you happy.  The only one claiming Lincoln claims to be very well versed in this is you.

You're just being way too obsessive over this and what he said.  Take a fucking chill pill man.  I mean look at what you're saying. 

In other words, HE CLAIMED TO HAVE READ ALL LINKS.  I asked him where he read all links and what he meant by that several times

He  doesn't claim to have read all the links.  He believed he had and directly asked if he missed anything.

 but why aren't you upset with lincolntf's bullshit comments towards me?  I think it's because you don't expect jack shit out of an obvious troll, but you don't want to actually come out and call him a troll.

Because I ultimately don't care and found your obsession with his reading of "everything" to be completely stupid.  So I pointed it out.  Nothing he said comes off particularly troll like.

395 Curious Tell us what he says.

396 he has this guy on:  "The Serialized Destruction of a Politician"

Batchelor feels something isn't right and he was funny he says he doesn't like people who do interviews wearing baseball caps cause you can't see their eyes.

Batchelor will put the podcast here

this is when he was discussing it:  Thursday 920P Eastern Time: Taegan Goddard, PoliticalWire.com, in re: South Carolina

I went to the political wire site and Goddard links to a tv station that claims they were given a thousand pages of phone records.

They are also saying McMaster has threats to his life.

397 "Phone Records Released Showing Calls to Haley"TV station link
"Death Threat Made Against Henry McMaster" Honestly, if some of this is repetitive, I apologize.   I haven't followed this as closely as everyone else because I think it is only important in so far as people should not be allowed to make accusations and possibly ruin someone's career without providing immediate and absolute proof.  I don't think a lot of voters will care if she had an affair one way or another, they will care that she is a fiscal conservative and an accountant who has business experience.

398 Haley needs to go Roethlisberger and accuse Will Folks of rape.  Folks = suspended, case closed.

399 Thanks Curious She addressed phone calls to when he worked for her. I'm guessing if calls were hinky or outside of that time frame we would have heard about it already.

400 Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 27, 2010 10:21 PM (8x3SC)

no problem...

see I'm a big Sarah Palin fan....so if she is ok with Sarah, she's ok...

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Is it safe....?

402 Maybe some half-wits like Ace are swallowing this crap, but local media is taking an increasing skeptical view of Folks.

I love the idiots whining, "Why doesn't her lawyer make him retract or sue?"  Just how STUPID do you have to be to ask something like that?  I mean, if you've suffered a severe head injury or the like, I apologize.

First of all, idiots, he hasn't actually SAID anything "libelous" at all - all he's said is "inappropriate physical contact" which could be bumping into her in the hallway.  Secondly, idiots, a public figure like Haley would have to prove "malicious intent" at trial, an extremely high standard of proof which to my knowledge hasn't been achieved by any politician in the last 20 years (a few celebrities have whipped the tabloids, after spending millions on attorney fees).  Thirdly, you bithering freakin' idiots, this loser and his "business" has no assets worth taking, unless you really need some black light posters and a badly stained futon.

403 Also, for dimwits from out of state with no facts but many opinions, please to note that the Free Times is an "alternative newspaper" which means you can place all your gay threesome personal ads there, but you better have a big mail-box!

That guy is Folks' only friend in "media" because they are the only ones who consider each other "media."  Everyone else in media or politics considers them slimy little sleazeballs.

404 buzz, I think you're being about as obsessive with me as I was towards him.

and frankly, I don't get why.  After all, he's saying incindiary stuff, getting the reaction he's clearly wanted.

You're mad at me because you interpret me saying 'He claims to have read every link; as me saying 'he's an expert'.  I don't understand it, but if you're angry or annoyed with me, there's nothing I can do about it.  I explained myself as best I can.

I think you've twice misconstrued what I said, and I laid out how you did so precisely and with more respect than is normal here.  I think sometimes, people get so invested in their position they can't realize they are completely out of line.  And I think that describes your point of view.  You're right, as I've already said, it's a distraction for me to keep demonizing lincolntf.  I'm more interested in where he gets his information than in his twisting the burden onto Haley (and all the rest of my complains I won't labor you with again).

So if I already say that a few times, why beat me over the head with that same point?  I only keep returning to it because people like you keep bringing it up, while I keep saying it's not as big a deal as I made it out to be.  It's just the nature of these scandals that someone like lincolntf will goad.  I really like Nikki Haley and wish to defend her reputation to some extent, but I don't want to distract from the heart of the story, which obviously is not people lying about her denial's content or existence.

Folks and who is with him... that's the story.  If you don't feel my explanation is good enough for you, OK... I guess I fail your standards.  But I think it's strange you're still harping... about my shorter duration of harping about a more egregious thing.

405

God it really does suck when you're getting a taste of your own medicine doesn't it?  Keep that in mind the next time you want to go off on someone for something they actually never said.

You're mad at me because you interpret me saying 'He claims to have read every link; as me saying 'he's an expert'. 

Here's where I think your problem is with this, you have an issue of selective reading.  You first thought he said he read everything, and he never did, and infact asked if there was anything missed.  And now you have skipped a step from reading every link to expert.  Its from your own writing too, and infact I quoted it when I said "expert."

If someone is extremely well versed in a topic wouldn't you call them an expert?  I know I would.  You're complaining about my changing your claim of him being extremely well versed in this topic to him being an expert on the topic.  Whether you consider those things to be synonymous as I do the ultimate point is the same: The only one making that claim was you.

 

406 Sweet baby Jesus.

Lex's only serious mistake is responding to Lincolntf's shit-stirring at all.

Learn your lesson, Lex, if you feel a need to correct someone's passive-aggressive bullshit, just point it out, don't get into a conversation with them.

And if Lincolntf is honestly confused about the reaction to what it's saying, I can only assume a severe communication disorder. For example, when you phrase an apology in the form of a vulgar accusation, people are unlikely to accept it.

I doubt this is a teachable moment, however, nor am I engaging in a conversation. Y'all have fun if you want to.

407 Merovign,

You're right.  And I don't mean that in the douchey "thanks for taking my side" shit.  I really fucked up the thread being needlessly irritated with that.  No matter what I may have argued or convinced anyone of, I made my point the first couple of times.

408 Also, Buzzion, he made the claim he read everything.  All I did was repeat that claim as him claiming to be well versed.  You say I have to take my own medicine as though somehow I'm a liar for using someone's claim to show they are unfair.  Why?  I asked you to quote what it is that isn't a simple and fair rephrase.  I was precise about what I meant, when you made this attack the first few times, and you have failed to show me where I did what you say I did.

You're getting respectful responses, and act more douchey each time.  I won't guess what your motivations are.  I already admitted fault, so you're harping like a bitch for no good reason.  You've convicted me and no matter how I explain what I meant and why it's reasonable, you'll ignore it.

What's so funny is that you spent several hours pissed at this incredibly minor problem (that I said he was well versed when he said he clicked every link on a topic, which you obtusely misinterpret as me unjustifiably calling him an expert).  That just doesn't seem like something a mentally healthy adult could be obsessed about.

But your other attack is hilariously that I was obsessed.  Even though I'm pissed about a great person being smeared... which obviously pisses normal people off all the time.  So you're far more guilty than I of this offense.

Last point, note that I admit I was wrong, as soon as it's shown, without equivocation.  That's the difference between you and me, and we both know it.  Lincoln's just a troll who got the better of me for the lulz.  You clearly argued this crap in earnest.

409 @369

Hey, I agree with you on most points--well, except Tillman (he wasn't elected governor until 1890 and Reconstruction was over by 1877).  As for Strom, hey, I lived in Columbia for 7 1/2 years.  I watched Strom's funeral procession out my office window downtown.  I thought, and still think, he was one hell of a man and one hell of a politician.  And yep, he did as right by his illegitimate black daughter as a man in his position could in that day and age...and not only that, but she and the rest of Thurmond's family handled the entire situation with a class and grace that no liberal would probably bother to muster nowadays.

There are a lot of days I wish Ol' Strom would dig himself out of the ground in Edgefield, hitch a ride to D.C., and kick his successor Pandsey Graham right in his nonexistent jubblies.  Zombie Strom Thurmond would be awesome.

410

 Also, Buzzion, he made the claim he read everything. 

No he didn't.  See you keep claiming to have corrected your error yet you keep repeating your lie.

If you keep saying that he claims to have read everything why can't I claim that you claimed he claimed he was an expert.

411 Just wanted to pop down here and note that EE at Redstate admitted today that they have nothing.  And meanwhile, that guy who barely worked for Nikki Haley apparently had dozens of two and three hour, late-night phone calls with her.

For what it's worth.

412 Yes he did.  He said he clicked every link.  And yeah, in one comment he also asked if he missed something, so I guess you're saying I can't point out that he clearly was wofully misinformed.

It's hilarious taht you're basically deranged with obsession about what amounts to a matter of tone.

But you fit in with this blog, just as I do, in not really giving a shit about tone.  Anyone can see your comments in any thread you're in.  You have no problem exaggerating and mocking, swearing, and being a bit angry, when confronted with a terrible argument.  You even obnoxious note you're wrong in 429, saying "you were kinda wrong, so why can't I also distort what you said, huh?  huh?" 

You are just trying to prove you're right, because you're too insecure to admit fault.  You're one of those idiots, who simply cannot back down.   You have absolutely nothing to say about the actual argument I made, which is that that particular shit stirring troll was saying things that were totally ridiculous, while also claiming to have read, and I quote "EVERY" link.  He used the word "EVERY".  Your have latched on to the obvious logical certainty that this is impossible as proof I'm not perfectly correct... and yet you aren't bright enough to see that this BOLSTERS my logic, that he was incredibly poorly informed and I'm curious where he got these fucked up ideas (I repeatedly asked him, he chickened out because he's a liar, as everyone knew and I shouldn't have bothered to point out repeatedly). 

My real sin was bothering to engage someone who wanted to stir up shit and pin a dirty burden on an innocent person.  He had a much easier time doing that because I fed the troll.  I also was wrong on a couple of actual facts.  You can see that I immediately agreed when I was wrong, once shown, because I'm not a fucking coward like you are.

You never contribute jack shit but your hack bashing of people and your whining about other people's much more thoughtful commentary.   I can tell you know this by how you harp about a really stupid point (this 'how dare you call him an expert' point that doesn't actually make any sense) rather than go beyond tone to the actual argument I make.

You're obsessed.  You've been bashing me for something that is fucking stupid for 4 times the length of time I was bashing someone for saying Haley could be a skank giving handjobs.  I don't mind idiots, but you're extremely judgmental about things that apply much more accurately to you.  That's lame.

413 Blah blah blah Lex.  You don't get it.

414 No, I clearly have your number, Buzzion.

You have a problem with my characterizing something a way you don't think is fair, because you *interpreted* that as me calling him an expert.

I asked you for your basis for this interpretation, which would have been a bit unfair I guess (who gives a shit, though).  You quoted me saying something like he claimed to be well-versed.  That claim was very fair, though.  He said he clicked every link, I said he claimed to be well versed (merely so I wasn't repeating the exact same verbage, as a style issue). 

This 'how dare you call him an expert' issue, which is obviously incredibly stupid anyway, is something you are LYING about at this point, when I have precisely explained how that isn't what I meant and showed a much more logical and reasonable explanation for where I got me 'he's well versed, yet doesn't know the most basic shit' argument... that being the direct quote I showed you, where he used the word 'every' to describe the links he read.

What's interesting is that you have no problem smearing liberals with angry exaggerations, swearing, mockery, etc.  I don't either, of course.  This is the place to do that.  Your insane obsession with my tone is amazingly hypocritical, and it also completely avoids the argument.

You've spent several hours and lots of words condemning me for this tiny point, and I knew in advance you would dismiss me simply answering your specifically and precisely as 'bla bla bla'.  You are a hack.  You have clearly lost this argument and are to insecure to simply admit your fault.  I don't mind admitting when I get something wrong.  The difference between us isn't tone or penchant to get pissed.  The difference is that I'm honorable and you are not.

415

He said he clicked every link

No he didn't.

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