November 23, 2010

Reflecting on the Airport Security That Might Have Been
— Geoff

It strikes me that it's not really fair to criticize the TSA without giving them guidance as to our thinking on airport security needs. So here, in the spirit of outreach to those who molestprotect us, is a short list of things we wanted to see, compared to what the TSA gave us:





What We WantedWhat TSA Gave Us
Let us leave our shoes on!Take shoes off! And belts! And anything metallic! And baggy clothing!!
Accelerate the screening process!Add 10 second delay for full body scan!!
No more pat downs!More invasive pat downs!!
Let us take liquids on!Hahahahaha!!!

So the changes implemented by the TSA went in exactly the wrong direction: we wanted fewer hassles and delays, and the TSA increased hassles and delays. We wanted our rights as passengers restored, and the TSA decided that we don't have any.

Imagine a screening process where you don't have to take your laptops & liquids out, where you don't take your shoes off, and where your friends and family can accompany you to the gate. Air travel would be fast, convenient, and fun. Improved detection technology is supposed to make that happen, not make our trips even more painful.

But we, unfortunately, live in a Napolitano world.

UPDATE: Per Purple Avenger's suggestion in the comments (the relevant stuff starts 48 seconds in):

Posted by: Geoff at 11:43 AM | Comments (58)
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1
I wouldn't touch Janet Incompetano's cooter with a blowtorch!

Posted by: Barney Frank, 1Lt, Rump Rangers at November 23, 2010 11:46 AM (v1gw3)

2 I posted this in the other thread.  Should have waited.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 23, 2010 11:47 AM (JcRgg)

3

One can always dream indeed.

Posted by: Journolist at November 23, 2010 11:47 AM (O/NP5)

4
This is what the "But we have to do something!" mentality gets us.


Posted by: Soothsayer is sometimes like his father -- too cold at November 23, 2010 11:48 AM (uFokq)

5

By "the TSA" you mean "President Obama."

"Don't touch my junk, Barack" applies in so many contexts.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 23, 2010 11:48 AM (BvBKY)

6
I love pat downs, especially when it's done by a hot looking young man......well, maybe an average young man to be politically correct.

Posted by: Lindsey "I'm Not Gay" Grahamanesty at November 23, 2010 11:48 AM (v1gw3)

7 And your point is what, exactly? Shuttup and register for your Obamacare, peon. Flying commercially isn't some constitutional right like not having to verify your doubtful citizenship. Freedom's just another word for your selfish individualism. We're all in this together.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 23, 2010 11:49 AM (nSkOL)

8
You could make the same box chart for health care, too.


Posted by: Soothsayer is sometimes like his father -- too cold at November 23, 2010 11:49 AM (uFokq)

9
I posted this in the other thread.  Should have waited.

I saw that at Hot Air - it's what inspired me to blow off work for a bit and write this little post. It's a similar theme I have with regard to other areas: traffic violations, for instance. Why is the push always toward more regulation or making us safer within existing regulations, rather than making it possible to raise the speed limit?

Posted by: geoff at November 23, 2010 11:50 AM (W11pV)

10 To clarify, that was typed in full shift-key anti-doublethink sarcasm mode.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 23, 2010 11:50 AM (nSkOL)

11

Now we know why TSA has been collecting the "liquid gels." 

TSA: Sir this won't hurt, oh by the way your prostate didn't feel right, may want to have that checked out by our new baggage claim nurses downstairs.  

Posted by: Journolist at November 23, 2010 11:52 AM (O/NP5)

12 I fly to my basement.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at November 23, 2010 11:52 AM (LLZiU)

13 You know what this thread needs? A cheerleader picture.

Posted by: Dave C at November 23, 2010 11:53 AM (poJjg)

14 Issue loaded .38's to all passengers upon boarding, collect them up when deplaning.  There may be a few random murders, but no plane will ever be hijacked again...ever.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2010 11:54 AM (VyKZx)

15
why not make every single seat in the airplane ejectable?


Posted by: Alan Funt at November 23, 2010 11:55 AM (uFokq)

16
A cheerleader for killing all the Joo's  HERE

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 23, 2010 11:56 AM (v1gw3)

17 Why is the push always toward more regulation or making us safer within existing regulations, rather than making it possible to raise the speed limit?

It depends upon who's friend needs to make money off the new regs or who's enemy needs to be gored.  I'm just amazed that they guy got thru with basically two 12" hack saws.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 23, 2010 11:56 AM (JcRgg)

18 I love it, PA.  Love. It.  And the occasional murder?  Probably just some knocking off the guy sitting next to them who won't shut up.  Is that really unreasonable?

Posted by: Editor at November 23, 2010 11:57 AM (YX6i/)

19 Incompetano's World.  Safety through subjugation.  Display yourself naked or we fondle your genitals.  It may be humorous to make farm animal noises if you are subject to a good TSA fondling.

Posted by: Nicholae Kzintius at November 23, 2010 11:59 AM (a1415)

20 18 I love it, PA.  Love. It.  And the occasional murder?  Probably just some knocking off the guy sitting next to them who won't shut up.  Is that really unreasonable?

No, it is actually the direction we need to be moving in.  Who wants to join me in the "Stop the Assholes Movement"

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 23, 2010 11:59 AM (IqfKc)

21 Whats amazing is that TSA has somehow gotten lucky, despite all of their goofs and stupid procedures - nothing has happened from a domestic standpoint.

Posted by: Jean at November 23, 2010 12:00 PM (xkJak)

22 Why is the push always toward more regulation or making us safer within existing regulations, rather than making it possible to raise the speed limit?

Posted by: geoff at November 23, 2010 03:50 PM (W11pV)

Simple.. Those who work for Government wish to keep their jobs, and get promoted.  In order to do so they MUST ensure that they appear to be doing somthing AND as Government adds more poeple to enforce the new Regulations, people will have to be promoted to oversee the new people...

Its the nature of beurocracy to grow... and unless there is an outside force creating counterpressure, it will grow until there is nothing else left...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 23, 2010 12:01 PM (AdK6a)

23 Yes, Lemmi - we can join forces with the Left Lane Drivers Unite! Move over!  movement.  It's a win-win. 

Count me in.

Posted by: Editor at November 23, 2010 12:02 PM (YX6i/)

24 A cheerleader for killing all the Joo's  HERE

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 23, 2010 03:56 PM (v1gw3)

You are a very bad man.

Posted by: Schrodinger's Doberman at November 23, 2010 12:05 PM (WDySP)

25

OT: 

So, I go to google maps to find Yeonpyeong Island in S. Korea, and I find it right away; but, I notice that the kiss-assers-to-any-murdering-commie-regime owners of google have not inlcuded any map labels (cities, provinces, lakes, etc....) in N. Korea at all. 

You see the satellite image, but nothing else. 

Nothing.

Are those butt munching America hating liberal pukes scared of the Norks, like they were the ChiComs?

"Do no Evil" my ass.

(you can zoom into Pyongyang fairly well, if you know where it is)

Posted by: FreakyBoy at November 23, 2010 12:05 PM (YU9IY)

26 All this money wasted on security theater, when they could have put it into something sensible like biometric identification instead. Why keep re-screening non-threats, people like me that have been frequent flyers for nearly 20 years? Apparently Big Sis thinks any one of us might one day decide to go jihad and bring down a plane. Idiots. All of them. But in a way I'm grateful for it - all this intrusive, overreaching TSA crap has given me great ammunition for my arguments in favor of smaller government. I've got a lot of Lib friends in Chicago (yes, Chicago, as in Obama Ground Zero) that are starting to see the light!

Posted by: Swanny at November 23, 2010 12:11 PM (fUJ5A)

27 I've got a lot of Lib friends in Chicago (yes, Chicago, as in Obama Ground Zero) that are starting to see the light!

Keep telling yourself that....

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 23, 2010 12:13 PM (HNAAi)

28 Are those butt munching America hating liberal pukes scared of the Norks

Not scared, just lending a helping hand.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2010 12:13 PM (VyKZx)

29 How about infrared scanners as an alternative?

I know there's no chance, since it's not invasive, demeaning, or a violation of the Constitution...but is it technically feasible?

(Been watching too much old L&O lately...all kinds of pedophiles being released because the detectives don't have 'probable cause'...but merely trying to board a flight is 'probable cause' for naked image searches?!)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 23, 2010 12:22 PM (4ucxv)

30 I love it, PA.  Love. It.  And the occasional murder?  Probably just some knocking off the guy sitting next to them who won't shut up.  Is that really unreasonable?
Posted by: Editor

Whose armrest is it? That's what I thought.

Posted by: upgrade or else at November 23, 2010 12:29 PM (1O93r)

31 To be fair to Napolitano, not that she deserves it, airport security has sucked big green diseased Obama dicks since the 80's.

Posted by: John Galt at November 23, 2010 12:30 PM (F/4zf)

32 But, Gloria Allred (sp?) said that she enjoyed being felt up.....mainly because she hadn't been in so long, she forgot what it was like......

Posted by: Sponge © at November 23, 2010 12:30 PM (UK9cE)

33 What we wanted: Terrorists harassed and roughed up. What the TSA gave us: Old ladies, children, cancer patients, and amputees harassed and roughed up. What we wanted: Scaring the terrorists away. What the TSA gave us: Scaring the customers away. What we wanted: Security What the TSA gave us: Security Theater

Posted by: Old Grouch at November 23, 2010 12:31 PM (1D3jL)

34 Mikey the Worm Kinsley is praising the TSA pervs now, the same Kinsley who went into weepy fits if they gave the stinkeye to a muzzie coming through with a 55 gallon drum of ammonium nitrate

The dork will probably bring his own dildo and drop his pants for them

Posted by: Montgomery Scott at November 23, 2010 12:31 PM (vdfwz)

35

I long for the days when you could walk up to the gate, and purchase a ticket 15 minutes before the flight left.

Too bad we won't be seeing that anytime soon.

Too bad some airline/airport can't figure out how to make that happen.

Then maybe airtravel would be more convient and less of a burden.

Posted by: Iblis at November 23, 2010 12:34 PM (9221z)

36 14 Issue loaded .38's to all passengers upon boarding, collect them up when deplaning. There may be a few random murders, but no plane will ever be hijacked again...ever.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2010 03:54 PM (VyKZx)

I've suggested a modified version of your approach since 9/11. Instead of .38's (since not everyone is a crack shot) issue knives (or bring your own) to every passenger that wants one. Kind of like conceal and carry, but there can be no mistake that there will be someone on that plane that can take out the terrorist.  This approach would work since passengers, not TSA, have been the ones to stop attempted attacks.  I am deadly serious about this approach.

Posted by: dogfish at November 23, 2010 12:35 PM (Ncv/n)

37 dogfish - we need a good sharps thread, we've discussed longbows and firearms, but never knives.

Posted by: Jean at November 23, 2010 12:39 PM (wgkZv)

38 Delays are graphable for presentation at government/bureaucrat meetings.

Longer delays = spiky graphs

Bureaucrats hate spiky graphs

Too eliminate spiky graphs, the TSA leadership proposes more agents and more scanners.

TSA Agents lead a much larger agency/region/station, so they need to be higher rated/payed.

Everyone involved makes money.

Posted by: ef at November 23, 2010 12:41 PM (c7Pp2)

39 You know who this helps? The APA, that's who. TSA's idiocy is going to create a new generation of people traumatized as kids who claim that they're child molesters/suicidal/depressed/clock-tower snipers/Marylanders due to the TSA hand jive they got as a kid. And those peeps are gonna need therapy. Compulsive Fondlers Anonymous, your ship has arrived...

Posted by: railwriter at November 23, 2010 12:42 PM (3qItU)

40 Oh, that we treated people sneaking in to this country with the same scrutiny that we treat airline passengers, but no, they are a treasured, hands-off minority.

Posted by: nickless© at November 23, 2010 12:42 PM (MMC8r)

41 Kinsley is a tool.  You can tell who the total liberal tools are by this particular episode.  Nobody likes the ramped up, extra annoying TSA.  Even libs.  Especially libs, actually.  They started getting all 4th amendmenty and Kinsley's job is to tell them to shut up and eat their crap sandwich.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 23, 2010 12:42 PM (BvBKY)

42 I hate driving places if I can fly, but with this mess going on, I'll deal with long drive times.

Posted by: Adlib at November 23, 2010 12:44 PM (k/CNO)

43

Geoff, I have two really good recent pictures of the TSA you might want:

This one.

And this one.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 23, 2010 01:01 PM (RsFpR)

44 I remember that Archie Bunker editorial.  I saw it when it was first aired.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 23, 2010 01:02 PM (RsFpR)

45

It's time to transfer the misery of flying on commercial airliners to the people who have caused it.
I haven't thought this out completely...actually...not at all. But wouldn't be nice to drag out a few of the junk airliners that are resting in the Mojave desert boneyard and turn them into "Special airliners". They could be used to carry nothing but islamics. Perhaps one or two flights a day across each ocean and a couple of flights a day across the US to some of the major hubs. They could be flown by Islamic pilots, and passengers would be served by burka clad flight attendants. I'm sure others could come up with a menu and other niceties for the flight.
Islamics would no longer be allowed on regular commercial carriers. They would have to fly on their own special airline and blow themselves up if they wish.

Posted by: Hafar Al Batin at November 23, 2010 01:11 PM (FyqFA)

46 Has anyone else connected the new patdown/fondle/grope regimen with the arrival of the new electronic stripping machines?   Coincidence? It is as if TSA is trying some new kind of psychology; make the alternative to the electronic scanner so intrusive and disgusting that passengers will welcome the scanner.

It is a much easier job to sit on one's fat backside and look at a TV screen than it is to actually do some detective work.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 23, 2010 01:18 PM (V9Q+f)

47 I assume that the order went out from liberal high command to start writing glowing and favorable articles about being groped and humiliated because in the last two days an awful lot of liberal writers have written their "I don't mind being felt up a bit" homages to the awesome work the gubbmint is doing in keeping us safe.

Posted by: ParanoidIcicleInSeattle at November 23, 2010 01:31 PM (RZ8pf)

48 What Archie said after 48".
Plus, I don't think we're blowing up enough of the enemy. You eff with us, we take out all your family and extended family. I didn't think this up: Ex 17,14

Posted by: Thorvald at November 23, 2010 01:44 PM (lqueA)

49 The union worker will provide timely, quality searches as soon as we get these poor, underpayed, overworked wretches a decent living wage.

Posted by: Jehessee Jahaksona at November 23, 2010 01:52 PM (rZOYC)

50

Everything but the obvious.

Everyfrickinthing but the obvious. Only a PC cultimulcheral bunch of supine libs could fuck up this big and this bad

The Muj laugh. Deservedly so.

BTW, when they make their next move, BANK on al-Hussein Pasha, Vizier of Chicago, to throw the full weight of DC-Douchedom into protecting them from their deserved consequences for either being A) active or B) complicit in this latest chapter of a 1300-year old story

Posted by: OhioDude at November 23, 2010 02:16 PM (ojJB9)

51 Incompetano's World.  Safety through subjugation.  Display yourself naked or we fondle your genitals.  It may be humorous to make farm animal noises if you are subject to a good TSA fondling.

Posted by: Nicholae Kzintius at November 23, 2010 03:59 PM (a1415)

There's always the option of going in with a raging hard-on.  It may not accomplish anything, but it will be both highly uncomfortable and high-larious.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at November 23, 2010 02:24 PM (uQe/L)

52 Can't wait for that quantum teleportation tech. Though TSA might want to teleport your privates ahead of the rest

Posted by: Captain Keerque at November 23, 2010 02:30 PM (3/DqY)

53 I wonder if they'll ever realize the groping was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Speaking for myself and several friends I've discussed this with, what we really want is for it to be FASTER and easier. The whole process is designed with the convenience of the TSA in mind, not the passenger's. A good professional ergonomics company should be called in to analyze and streamline the process. God, hopping around trying to get your shoes on and off while people swarm around you, unpacking your laptop while the guy behind you taps his foot, trying to put your shoes and belt back on while also trying to get your laptop back into the case while more stuff floods out of the x-ray machine....
No real company would treat "customers"* with this level of contempt and ineptitude.
My first suggestion is that the TSA randomly choose 1 in 5 passengers to just get waved through. I doubt this will encourage terrorists. My other idea is that if airlines have multiple flights to a location in one day, maybe they could call one the "You Takes Your Chances" flight and let everyone who flies on it skip the security check.
The reality is that any thinking terrorist isn't going to try and get things through security any more. They'll be using airport employees to plant bombs in luggage or placing explosive packages in the secured areas for the flier to pick up. (The secured area of airports is only secured for passengers. The employees that work there often get no more than a perfunctory check.) Hell, the TSA will apparently hire anybody. I'd say there are opportunities there.
Bottom line is, the TSA has not provably stopped a single terrorist since they were started. All terrorist attempts worldwide have been stopped by the passengers.

*Check the TSA brochures--we are, apparently, "customers." With the chance to win an all-expenses paid trip to Club Fed.

Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at November 23, 2010 03:15 PM (0OLb8)

54

I was watching CBS news this evening, and they were running another fluff piece about how most travelers do not mind the additional sexual assault security patdown, because they knew it made them safer. What made this particular piece more, uh, interesting, was that they interviewed the security officer who passed Mohammad Atta through the x-ray machine and on to his flight, which he eventually flew into 1 of the World Trade Towers. The icing on this cake was when this guy- whose name escapes me- stated "What would you rather have, your jumk touched, or your plane taken over by terrorists" (Or words to that effect). I startled my wife and kids when I yelled "Yeah, that really means a lot coming from the man who facilitated a mass murder".

That was rather cathartic, for some reason. 

Posted by: DaveK at November 23, 2010 05:25 PM (qM8Pf)

55 There is obviously a lot to know about this. I think you made some good points in Features also without any research paper critique.

Posted by: Freddy at November 24, 2010 03:42 AM (LqHcX)

56 Hey, the international bankers are masticulating or eating us alive, so he's right there too!

Posted by: republicanmother at November 24, 2010 04:35 AM (4JT7Z)

57 While your at it join us! Were looking to get our left lane rights back. Which is regulated but the people just choose not to be courteous and lawful! LeftLaneCampers on facebook and twitter. Join us!

Posted by: Left lane at November 24, 2010 11:14 AM (7/17p)

58 Just have to be sure to give the passengers a slow round, like the .45 APC. Over penetration is a VERY bad thing on an airline. I'm talking about the video of course
paper terms

Posted by: genry at November 29, 2010 07:16 AM (qKSBv)

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