1 So they want another summer like last one. Fine.

2 They intend to pile on the "cap-and-tax" provisions in conference after the elections

3 You know what I like about libtard legislation? The unintended consequences make things so exciting!

4

*sigh*

Here comes yet another p.o.s. bill that was written by some far left radicals, again, that increases the reach of the federal government, again. It will cost us a fortune and be unpopular with the public, again.

Which virtually guarantees it will be passed by the idiots in Congress.

Again.

5
Harry can count on me!

6 And of course our glorious Republican party will naturally oblige in the spirit of being conciliatory and non-contentious. FUCK THESE PEOPLE. FUCK THEM ALL.

7 My adoring peons, bipartisanship means getting it in the squeakhole from both parties.

8
All you fat ass crackkkas will be riding Chinese bicycles now that you're being governed by the black man!

9 Dumbasses!!!! This is why god made lame duck sessions My party is clueless And they can't understand why the voters are pissed...

10
Two-thousand page financial reform bill that does not address Fannie & Freddie nor does it 'fix' anything, authored by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, and I'm voting for it!

11 This the passage of this bill is SURE to get my approval back up over 50% after people find out what's in this bill.

12
And don't be upset at me, you stupid purists, because I do vote for your stupid interests most of the time, so you have no right to complain.

13

Holy smokes, what a bunch of horse hockeypucks. I cannot believe this ridiculous little man is so stupid as to think this will endear him to his constituents. But then, these days liberals are of a mind to tell all of us, what is good for us and what is not, and tsk tsk if we beg to differ. So we are expected to accept what they dish out to us, even if it will necessarily skyrocket the cost of goods and services across the board and further destroy an already crummy economy.

I cannot wait till November. And I sure as shootin' hope that Nevadans feel as enraged as the rest of us do and VOTE HARRY OUT!

14 But what about W's beloved Switchgrass?

15 itÂ’s likely that the carbon-cap piece will be limited to pollution from power plants and will not apply across the economy.

Note how politico worded that; "pollution" from power plants.  Not CO2; POLLUTION. Politico just showing its true colors.

And establishing CO2 limits on power plants is the worst dam thing in the world they could do.

All of this based on a pure scam whose originators all belong in jail, not in the government.

I read something the other day on one of the sites that said about half of the Giai worshiping eco-diots know that AGW is a fraud but hey want it pushed anyway because they see it as the only way to get their own eco-crap through.

16 I better not use the word REVOLUTION, lest Allah and Ed ban me from posting. Oops, wait a minute....

17

Hey Nevada,

  Does us a god damn favor and vote out Reid !!! Jesus H are you people stupid. Your state's economy is mess because of Ried...Duh

18

'Splain it to me Lucy how The Vapid One's® statement that you quoted at the end of the post didn't sink his candidacy right then and there. How could anyone with two neurons to rub together possibly cast a vote for somebody that would want to harm their fellow countrymen by making their energy costs go through the roof?

19 Doubling down on the stupid, they are. Seriously, a lot turns on November, folks. A lot.

20 fil e bust what is the Senate GOP thinking?

21 #15  Note how politico worded that; "pollution" from power plants.  Not CO2; POLLUTION. Politico just showing its true colors.

If a trace gas essential to plant life as we know it is pollution, I dunno what isn't pollution.

22 cap and tax will be the death of this economy.

23 Just as long as they have an energy import tax on the iPhones Apple wants to import from China.

Otherwise a tax like this is just a way to offshore more industry to those countries that don't shove crowbars up the lower intestines of _their_ manufacturers.

24 Crys of wonder and joy will fill the land.

25 Well seeing as how the economy is going to swimmingly, why not toss an extra $1trillion (at least) in taxes on top.  What could possibly go wrong?

Oh, and then let "The Bush Tax Cuts" expire - yeah, that's gonna get the Benny Bucks pouring in.

Exit question: when does Scott Brown announce his support of this latest brilliance brought to us by Your... 2010... Democratic... Party?

26

The third, biggest and most contentious piece is a price on greenhouse gas emissions — a policy at the heart of the climate change debate. In a nod to how heavy a lift this would be, it’s likely that the carbon-cap piece will be limited to pollution from power plants and will not apply across the economy.

 

I for one will dance in teh streets nekkid when idiot libtards can't charge their dumbass electric cars.  Where do these douchers think electricity comes from?  Big cities like L.A., Philly, Chicago and NYC already have rolling brownouts in the summer.  Why should someone (who had a choice in the purchase of their vehichle) be allowed to charge their car at the expense of someone else not having a/c? 

Here in the Seattle area, there are a plethora of these moronic clown cars on the road.  Last week (when it was 90 degrees), I watched a man get out of his Smart Car.  He left the car running, door wide open and a/c on.  (I walked by the car and felt the chill breeze).  He made several ATM transactions during this time.  My husband and I waited in line behind him for several minutes.  I just kept shaking my head.  My husband was so worried I was going to say something snarky.  I restrained myself.  The dumbass got back in his front seats on wheels and peeled out of the parking lot. 

27 Thanks NRA for all your Harry Reid love. I just told them they could shove my membership dues this year up their ass. And I did enunciate the "Fuck you" personally to the dumb shits. It appears that I am not the only one, btw. Nuge better get a better gig.

28 "In a nod to how heavy a lift this would be, itÂ’s likely that the carbon-cap piece will be limited to pollution from power plants and will not apply across the economy." as if raising the price of electricity won't have an effect across the economy...... fing idiots.

29 Seriously, a lot turns on November, folks. A lot.

Yes. It's very important whether Goldman's and GE's bills are passed by 55 Democrats and 5 Republicans, or 25 Democrats and 35 Republicans.

30 Trouble is just like the financial"reform?" bill soon to be law, the public doesn't know what's in it. Shit, Congress doesn't know what is in it. The media portrays it as regulating evil wall street and the willing sheeple are all for it. This cap and crap bill will be no different. A bunch of back loaded crap that won't kick in until even the messiah is out of office.

31 Before August Recess
Somehow I don't think this is the plan.  Somehow, I think they're setting it up so that they can jam something through in the lame duck session. I don't know what parliamentary maneuvering they need to do to get it ready to jam down our throats after the elections, but we have to make sure to stab this thing with a wooden stake to keep it from rising from the grave.

32 How could anyone with two neurons to rub together possibly cast a vote for somebody that would want to harm their fellow countrymen by making their energy costs go through the roof?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 13, 2010 01:35 PM (i3AsK)

What percentage of electorate ever actually heard those words? My guess it is rather close to the 48% that voted against him...

33 #31

If they pass *anything* about climate regs before august recess, or hell, before the november elections.  They can pork the hell out of it with anything they want in conference then pass it with a 51 vote majority.

That's what they're trying to do here.

34 Fuck Harry Reid!

35 "...itÂ’s likely that the carbon-cap piece will be limited to pollution from power plants and will not apply across the economy."

Uh, we run on ELECTRICITY.  You can damned well bet this will impact the entire economy.

36 It's weird we never hear how much cheaper solar and wind produced electricity is than conventional fossil fuel ... Or nuclear, which costs about a 1/3 of fossil fuel electricity generation. I wonder why?

Remember Jimmy Carter's synfules break through? Nor do I, but he wasted billions trying and had really good intentions. Yes Jimmy Carter did say by the year 2000 the earth would not have one drop of oil left.

Did you know there is no such thing as renewable energy? Ever see a burned tree renew itself to be burned again? Renewable energy, just one of those stupid liberal word games.

Raising the drilling liability cap will doom small drillers. How cool is that?

37 "Yes. It's very important whether Goldman's and GE's bills are passed by 55 Democrats and 5 Republicans, or 25 Democrats and 35 Republicans." Oh, right. Let's just give up then. WAF, and all that.

38 I believe that the oil companies support this kind of legislation as the end result is to make natural gas cheaper to use than coal.

39 They'll do what they did with ObamaCare: Jam something through that will give the coal state senators plausible denial, then lard on the cap and tax bit in reconciliation. The GOP will either do nothing or quietly abet this, because the want new taxes too but don't want responsibility for them.

40 Well, as long as he doesn't raise my taxes, I'm cool. He's keeping his promises!

41 Laid off workers  People who vote for a living who can't afford electricity for their house while awaiting their next unemployment check.

Is there still a provision in this piece of shit bill to direct-deposit tax dollars into the bank accounts of "poor people" to "make up for loss of purchasing power" brought about by this piece of shit bill?

42 Gah!

Is the GOP just going to sit there and let this higher cost for energy pass into law?

I don't give a damn about saving the world.  I'm trying to stay afloat in this suck-all economy and cannot afford a higher electrical bill.  Hell, my thermostat for the summer is stilling on 80 degrees as it is!

43
More new taxes...

Because Obamacare and the expiring Bush tax cuts are not enough to soothe the democrats burning hot addiction to Krugmanesque porkypie spending.

44

I don't give a damn about saving the world.

Nor do the bill's sponsors.

45
The GOP do not have the votes to stop anything. 

46 Eastern governors protest Midwest wind transmission line

Fuck "renewable energy"--give us that sweet sweet federal gubbamint money!

47 The people pushing hardest for the carbon tax on power plants are the power companies. They "need a price for carbon" to justify the costs to the regulators associated with building new, more efficeint plants (NG and Nuclear_

48 Is there still a provision in this piece of shit bill to direct-deposit tax dollars into the bank accounts of "poor people" to "make up for loss of purchasing power" brought about by this piece of shit bill?

There is in the House bill which has already been passed.

49 The people pushing hardest for the carbon tax on power plants are the power companies.

There is only one company who initially signed on to talk to them about this shit (supposedly to get a seat at the table). That was Duke Energy. After they had been there a while they signed off.

Utilities haven't been able to pass on the costs of all these new government regulations in a long time. Typically the PSCs allow them 50 to 75 cents on the dollar.

50

I've never experienced a rolling brownout Must be because I'm a cracker in Philly.

51

Jeez, let Harry say something stupid and everybody goes off on a "mad minute", blazing away at everything in sight. What a waste of ammunition. Let him bring it up two months before the election. All he's doing is trying to put out a fire with gasoline and that'll make the burn bigger. We were all worried people would forget about health care so long before the election, but people are still mad. Crap like this makes the fire hotter. Watch the polls, even the a**kissing ones are dropping. The aim here is to get the House and enough of the Senate to counter any outbreak of Rhinoism from the usual suspects, then keep the ball rolling til 2012. Nobody is going to stop following one group of screaming idiots to follow another. Stay rational and pick your shots. We have a chance to knock off Feingold here and that would be a major coup, and he isn't the only one.

I don't know who will carry the flag in 2012. It's only July 2010 on my calender. Lets listen to everyone make their case, wheather Sarah, Mitt, Newt or someone we don't even know yet. Things do and will change, most of it beyond our control. Let's try to be rational any ready for anything, keeping our heads while all others are losing theirs. It'll work better for us in the future.

52 Vic - I sat in a meeting and watched each an every power company lobbyist present say they need a price for carbon. Without the a cost associated with carbon they would not be able to build nukes or new Natural Gas plants. Duke, Constellation, ConEd, Edison Institute, etc -- everyone said the same thing.

53 Sorry - Edison International, not Edison Institute

54 I guess this explains all the 'Air Conditioning is Teh EVIL' thumbsuckers that have coinkidinkely popped up in the media last week or two. Free translation: Give it up now, because it's about to be taxed into unaffordability. For your own good, peon.

55 itÂ’s likely that the carbon-cap piece will be limited to pollution from power plants and will not apply across the economy.

Anything that increases electrical generation costs AUTOMATICALLY applies across the economy.

Or do people think electricity is generated by rainbow-powered, skittle-shitting unicorns?

(has Texas told the EPA to go fuck themselves, yet? Perry needs to tell the feds to stuff then deploy the Texas National guard there to protect those assets from 'terrorist attack'.)

56 Vic - I sat in a meeting and watched each an every power company lobbyist present say they need a price for carbon.

A meeting with who. Them only write-ups I have seen about power companies meeting with the current adm is Duke and they backed out of it.

57 Vic - three senior Republican Senators, only one of whom was a RINO. The other big issue was the handling of derivatives in the financial bill - how it would effect the long term buys of natural gas.

58 Drilling standards reform is something Ds and Rs could probably agree on.  By piggybacking reform of drilling regs on the back of crap n tax, Dims insure their ability to continue hollering "OBSTRUCTIONISTS!" and accuse Republicans of being against regulating big oil if they stand against the main thrust of this taxpayer and economy-raping bill.   Change we can believe in!

59 Signing on to "buy carbon" makes no sense at all. If they want to build new plants (and not gas turbine since that still emits carbon) they are allowed to include the cost of the new plant in the rate base.

The problem in the past in the 80s during the last building phase was that the PSCs would not allow them to include the total cost in the rate base.

In fact, one utility (who I will not name) was allowed only 50% recapture of a nuke plant costs.  They had to take a write-down on the rest of the costs. That was huge.

The PSC's are not going to be any more amenable to allow recapture of CO2 taxes in the rate base either.

60

"Raising the drilling liability cap will doom small drillers. How cool is that?"-bill-tb

 

I think that's part of the plan.

1) eliminates competition for leases with the larger oil companies

2) actaully reduces demand for equipment and contract drillers, again lowering costs for the larger oil companies

3) in short, a classic "corporatist" move by the government to "screw the little guy" in favor of the oligopolists.

Federal Corporatism is fascism by another name.  Are we still a free people?

61 Our elected representatives, like the Energizer Bunny, just keep going, and going, and going...   but ALWAYS the wrong way.

Is there any way to shut off the air conditioning wherever these arrogant twits meet?  Just tell the morons "We're saving energy, and saving the planet at the same time.  You don't have a problem with that do you?  Besides, you need to experience what you're legislating the rest of the country into (you big fat sanctimonious buffoons)." 

Heh, heh--  July and August in Washington DC are always hot, humid, and awful.  Keep 'em sweating, and their "productivity" will fall to zero.  Trust me, this is MUCH more humane than my original reaction to this article....

62 Vic  - the "price for carbon" is critical for the financing side of the problem.  The meeting wasn't about actual power generation, the environment, etc. - it was all about how to finance new plant, specifically nukes, construction.  Every single power company lobbyist, with the exception of the distribution types, said the same thing.  They need a "price for carbon:" to justify the higher initial costs of a nuke or NG plant, so the regulators will allow them to begin charging the "working capital" against current rate payers as the plants are built. 

The alternative is that the regulators always go for the cheaper coal or NG plants.  The NG plants have a problem in that the long term supply contracts are financial derivatives.  I got the impression that they did not care about the operational costs of carbon taxes/credits.

63 My friend CPT Charles was handed a $294 electric bill today, courtesy of Cinergy. If Reid wants to have us bring our frustration over higher modern living costs (OH here nearly all coal powered), he is doing a great job of it.

Democrats' legislation full court press now, but the ball is coming back down the court in a couple of months. It doesn't make much sense to bring the Revolution, when the Counter-revolution will take it all back soon afterward....

64 "The third, biggest and most contentious piece is a price on greenhouse gas emissions"

Pay up suckaz...

65 These guys are growing a monster government and they need a monster tax base.

What's likely to also be coming is a monster backlash, beginning in November.

66 It's an ANTI-ENERGY bill.

And isn't it funny that the MFM had a "surge" on the subject just BEFORE this announcement? Not that I'd suggest any collusion or anything like that.

67 The headline on this late introduction of Cap and Tax by Reid should read "Reid fishing for campaign donations from Econuts"

68 Included in the Beats' impressive packaging are two Duracell AAA batteries. I hadn't installed them. I removed the headphones and searched all over for a battery compartment. Again: Nothing. I was perplexed. And charley-horsed.