March 09, 2010
— Maetenloch Has it really been 27 years? Wow, time flies when you win the Cold War.
On March 8, 1983 President Reagan delivered an address to the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando, Florida. It would have been a decent, not particularly memorable speech except for a few extra paragraphs Reagan added where he described communism as 'the focus of evil in the modern world' and called the Soviet Union an 'evil empire'. This might seem pretty unremarkable now but at the time it was highly controversial with all the right-thinking people decrying it as 'dangerous' and 'unhelpful'. And I suppose it was unhelpful - but it was also true.

We tend to forget how many of the elite back then (including even some in the GOP) were invested in the idea of a détente with the Soviet Union, and resigned to a permanent Soviet sphere of influence. So why upset the Bear with a bunch of words in a speech? Lurking behind all of this was the assumption of a moral equivalence between the US and the USSR which was considered the 'sophisticated' way to see things. Well lucky for us Reagan would have none of it and was willing to say the truth.
And apart from upsetting all the right people his words even had an impact all the way into the Soviet Gulag. Natan Sharansky, then a political prisoner in a Siberian labor camp, recalled how news of Reagan's speech eventually made it into the prison and convinced the dissidents that the days of communism were numbered. Finally someone had spoken the truth that everyone else was afraid to say.
And Andrew Sullivan, before he became unbalanced, gave I think one of the finest tributes ever to Reagan's speech back in 2001:
I will never forget the moment I heard his "evil empire" speech. It was broadcast on Radio Four in snippets, festooned with sceptical British commentary about this inflammatory and dangerous new president, this cowboy who knew nothing about geo-politics or the complexities of late-Communism. But for all the criticism, what came through to my teenage brain was an actual truth. Yes, the Soviet Union was evil. Who now doubts that? But who in a position of power said so when it mattered? Barely no-one but Reagan. He alone saw that communism was destined to be put on the "ash-heap of history," as he told the House of Commons. And he helped put it there. His achievement in this respect was so monumental that a whole generation of former peaceniks now take it for granted. Think of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. In the 1980s, they were nuclear freeze supporters. And yet both now thoughtlessly enjoy the soft and easy fruits of a greater man's courage.Here's a clip from Reagan's speech - the good stuff starts around the 2:30 mark.
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Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at March 09, 2010 10:37 PM (dQdrY)
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Posted by: ahem at March 10, 2010 02:48 AM (LvZLQ)
Not true. We gave a lot of support (political , financial, and otherwise) to Russia in the 90's. Much of this was done quietly to avoid wounding Russian pride.
Ultimately the Russian people will end up with the government that they are willing to tolerate and no outsider can change this. There's a reason that Russian history is so tragic.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 09, 2010 11:00 PM (oYxkV)
Posted by: bella@shopmoncler.hk at March 09, 2010 11:08 PM (v1DgG)
Mistaken in certain respects. But a wonderful, courageous, self-confident leader.
Posted by: Christoph at March 09, 2010 11:20 PM (0fq7b)
Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at March 09, 2010 11:21 PM (FIVyR)
Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at March 09, 2010 11:26 PM (FIVyR)
Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at March 10, 2010 03:26 AM (FIVyR)
But you're forgetting how he emptied out the mental hospitals and single handedly created the homeless problem.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 09, 2010 11:31 PM (oYxkV)
If only he'd have rounded up all the Dems and Rinos in congress and had them hanged, he'd have been perfect.
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Posted by: rdbrewer at March 10, 2010 12:05 AM (7rTCf)
Barry Obama,why do you ask? Yesss, I. can. give a. speech. I can talk.. All day long. Mean anything, well, um uh, no, I don't expect my speechess to mean anything. It'sss just talk.
Posted by: Barry Odrama at March 10, 2010 12:06 AM (gLSaO)
History has taught the educated classes like myself to venerate Reagan while at the time we furrowed our brow while James Baker was fraught with concern over the possible upset at the balance of the universe as we knew it then
Go ahead, call me a phony, but I bet you can't call me a phony with a long essay that says so
Posted by: David Brooks at March 10, 2010 12:41 AM (sYxEE)
The great triumph of America has been that bold, visionary leaders have always come along at the right time to set the nation on course to even greater heights. Let us not forget this day and every day henceforth to say a prayer to the Lord God Almighty for another bold, visionary leader to pick up this country and set it back on the path to what it has always been ... a shining city on a hill.
America is the world's only shining beacon of democracy and freedom. Let us commit today to stand up for freedom's way. An America in which its people lose their freedoms, is not America anymore.
Posted by: Jon at March 10, 2010 01:09 AM (tiLVm)
@14: "And he fired the air traffic controllers, busting a union and putting our air defense at risk."
Oddly enough, it was Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers that convinced the Russians that he was someone to be feared. The Soviets figured that he would cave to the union. When he didn't, they realized that he was something different than they were used to in a Western leader.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 10, 2010 01:23 AM (8MuSQ)
Posted by: baldilocks at March 10, 2010 02:31 AM (XXHXQ)
Ditto for me. My last Naval Reserve drill was the month after Clinton got elected. My enlistment was up and I was out. Dec 1984-Dec 1993 EM2 USNR.
Posted by: torabora at March 10, 2010 01:31 AM (pEjB6)
Posted by: torabora at March 10, 2010 01:34 AM (pEjB6)
There is one way that RP could get my vote -- if it was him or Teh Won. As an aside, many Tea Party folks have finally come around to the libertarian view of limited government, but always with a strong national defense component.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 10, 2010 02:03 AM (h0RtZ)
He hand wrote a great deal - it shows in his grasp of the words. In this clip you can see him look down to his notes every once in a while, but for long long passages he is speaking without looking down. He knew his stuff.
Barry - compare and contrast.....
Posted by: JD Will at March 10, 2010 02:49 AM (XVHJO)
Cats and dogs sleeping together...
Posted by: Popcorn at March 10, 2010 02:57 AM (OOehk)
Posted by: kraut hammer at March 10, 2010 03:10 AM (Vc/xe)
If only he'd have rounded up all the Dems and Rinos in congress and had them hanged, he'd have been perfect.
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Public works crews then hung some of the dead birds from the trees at the suggestion of a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employee.
It may be a strange sight, but Cannon says it has worked
There may be an idea about cleaning up Congress in there but I'm not sure.Posted by: harleycowboy at March 10, 2010 04:04 AM (JKGfQ)
Posted by: mama winger at March 10, 2010 04:09 AM (Ue9UN)
The concept of evil embarasses the knowledgable ubereducated elites. The dumb Christians, on the other hand, get it and got it. Reagan knew that. The national press was appalled. The common man cheered.
Posted by: mama winger at March 10, 2010 04:14 AM (Ue9UN)
But Reagan made great speeches and sound points.
Posted by: bill at March 10, 2010 04:22 AM (x49/7)
In the 1980s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil Ronald Reagan was.
In the 1990s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil George W. Bush was.
In the 2000s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil Sarah Palin was.
And people wonder why I stopped watching television.
Posted by: Crusty at March 10, 2010 04:30 AM (qzgbP)
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:31 AM (QrA9E)
In the 1980s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil Ronald Reagan was.
In the 1990s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil George W. Bush was.
In the 2000s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil Sarah Palin was.
In the 2010s you couldn't turn on the TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how wonderful and dreamy Obama is.
FTFY
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:33 AM (QrA9E)
"Liberal" reaction to the phrase "evil empire" tells you a lot more about them than it does about Reagan or the Cold War. Even today members of the Hive use the phrase "evil empire" derisively or satirically, as they once used "Commie prevert" from DR. STRANGELOVE. It's a way of showing their sophistication, versus Reagan's simple-mindedness and lack of "nuance." But why was the phrase "evil empire" so silly? Clearly the Soviet Union was an empire (ask the Poles, Lithuanians, Hungarians, etc.); and clearly, to anyone who had even a modicum of mild affection for liberty, evil. Yet calling it just what it was--i.e., an evil empire--was considered the height of Reagan foolishness. Yet who looks foolish now?
Posted by: Bilwick at March 10, 2010 04:35 AM (AktpP)
One more:
In the 1970s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil and the spawn of Satan Nixon was and how Ford was a bumbling uncoordinated idiot and how silent they were on the actual stupidity of Carter.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:38 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 10, 2010 03:00 AM (oYxkV)
We sure did and the result has been that the Russians came to the conclusion that we're a bunch of pussies. The same thing happens with the Communist Chinese. The State Dept. gets their analysis wrong, assumes that everyone else around the world lives by the idea of "quid pro quo" -- that is, that if we are solicitous towards others, they will return the favor. So when we propose something they don't like, they have a temper tantrum, we take the tantrum seriously and over-compensate with our apologies and generosity and they take that as an invitations to try to get more out of us.
The Reagan-esque notion of "Peace Through Strength" -- twist the other guy's arm until he cries "Uncle!" then make the deal -- has been lost.
Posted by: Starless at March 10, 2010 04:41 AM (HbeWz)
The beauty of R.R. wasn't so much how conservative he was but his skill in getting things done in the face of a hostile environment.
Even with a Democrat congress oppossing him on everything he tried to do he was able to work around them and communicate with the people. No he didn't get everything done and he signed into law a few things that the Dems wanted that conservatives hate but we must remember, you can not veto everything.
Bush's biggest problem was that he didn't veto anything.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:43 AM (QrA9E)
One more:
In the 1970s you couldn't turn on TV without every reporter, comedian, actor, singer, author, commentator and protest crowd telling you how stupid, crazy and evil and the spawn of Satan Nixon was and how Ford was a bumbling uncoordinated idiot and how silent they were on the actual stupidity of Carter.
Posted by: Vic
Chevy Chase was the Tiny Fey of his day, wasn't he?
Posted by: Crusty at March 10, 2010 04:50 AM (qzgbP)
But you're forgetting how he emptied out the mental hospitals and single handedly created the homeless problem....
This is a myth created by the liberals. If anyone group is responsible for empting the mental hospitals it is the ACLU who took it to court and had them turn loose the patients.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:58 AM (QrA9E)
Chevy Chase was the Tiny Fey of his day, wasn't he?
I never thought either one of them was funny.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 04:59 AM (QrA9E)
~Jon
Reagan was the "Great Communicator" and arrived just in the nick of time.
That said, his decampment from Beirut after the Marine Barracks Bombing set the stage for 9/11.
Reagan never did win the Cold War, it still goes on and we are losing it.
Thatcher's greatest longest lasting vision was to start the meme that coal produced a greenhouse gas called CO2 that was warming up the atmosphere to dangerous levels and we should all switch to nuclear power to mitigate the problem.(she started this meme to break the Communist led British Coalminers Union)
Somehow the UKs CND(Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament) found themselves out of a job after many in the West imagined wrongly that we had won the Cold War and the CND, having a ready made protest machine, turned from Red to Green and started to push Thatcher's Global Warming meme in a way that prevented nuclear power plants from being built but still attempted to shut down coal powered and other hydrocarbon fueled power plants.
The rest is history, or at least myth.
Posted by: Speller at March 10, 2010 05:00 AM (o0R2E)
Egads. I miss the Gipper more every day. Here's a link to I Own the World and their stellar find in this Ronaldus Magnus video. It's a scream, and more proof that Reagan was an all-round likeable guy.
Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2010 05:01 AM (LKkE8)
Posted by: redmonkey at March 10, 2010 05:13 AM (8K5j5)
Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2010 05:15 AM (LKkE8)
and started to push Thatcher's Global Warming ....
Yes Thatcher is the one who pushed the AGW fraud. It was Reagan's idea to create the UN IPCC Panel where international scientists would show what a cray thing the AGW myth was. At the time all real atmospheric scientists though the entire thing was ludicrous. Reagan though the panel would shut her up. He was tired of hearing about it at the G-8 conferences.
As it turned out the creation of the IPCC coincided with the third world communists taking over the U.N. and the panel became stacked with politics instead of science. By the time the final report was issued Clinton was in office and he sent Al Bore to sign the Kyoto accords. The Senate looked over those accords and ruled 98-0 that they would not even take them up, much less pass them.
When Bush won in 2000 the communist wing of the Dem Party decided that it was Bush's fault that these accords were never made law in the U.S. and the rest, as they say, is history.
Now we are finally finding out the level of fraud that was used to justify the scam.
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Posted by: Rick Warren at March 10, 2010 05:36 AM (mhD2v)
Reagan's withdrawel from Lebanon didn't lead to 9/11 but it did lead to the awful situation in Lebanon today with it's people being held in thrall by murderous Hezbollah and Syrian proxies...
At the time he had a choice, go to all out war with Syria and Iran or withdraw. With a Democrap congress who wouldn't support any kind of military option he didn't have much choice. Syria and Iran knew this and so did the young OBL who said the U.S. was a paper tiger.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 05:42 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 10, 2010 05:43 AM (jmf9+)
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose.'- Ronald Reagan
I've always felt he said that to tweak the Left. He knew it'd get out.
BTW - one Leftist derisive name for him was Ronald Rayguns. They'd string out the latter.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 10, 2010 05:49 AM (ucq49)
the theme of Walter Russel Meads "God and Gold" makes some interesting historical connections to Reagan's speech. In esssence, Oliver Cromwell gave the same speech, though much more blunt, 3 centuries before...
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More than 300 years ago, Oliver Cromwell summoned the English to a war against Catholic Spain using arguments we still hear today. Who are our enemies, Cromwell asked in 1656. His answer: the league of evil men throughout the earth. And why do they hate us? Because the evil that is in them sees and hates the good that we do here in England. Or in Cromwell?s own words, ?through that enmity that is in him against all that is of God, that is in you?? What are we fighting for? The future of liberty all over the world. Why will we triumph? Because God is on our side.
These are essentially the arguments of Ronald Reagan?s famous "evil empire" speech; they are the arguments that Tony Blair and George W. Bush made after 9/11. They are the arguments Churchill and Roosevelt made in World War II, the arguments Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson made in World War I, the arguments that British ministers and intellectuals made during the wars against Napoleon, the Jacobins, and against Louis XIV.
This isn?t just rhetoric. God and Gold chronicles the centuries-long war between the Anglo-Americans and their enemies and argues for the importance of understanding the cultural, religious, and financial roots of the English-speaking peoples because they form the foundation of America?s global position. Today we face a new kind of enemy. With American society divided over the nature of the threat and even in some quarters the existence of the threat it is more important than ever to understand what makes America strong, why others hate us, and what are the qualities that have enabled the Americans and the British to prevail in the contests that shaped our world.
Posted by: jp at March 10, 2010 05:51 AM (DFDtC)
A genocidal asshole like Cromwell talking about evil men. That's a laugh
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 10, 2010 06:26 AM (1Jaio)
Cromwell was about the most purely evil leader in the Anglosphere's history. The best comparison is with Lenin.
Posted by: Zimriel at March 10, 2010 06:50 AM (9Sbz+)
We won the Cold War but then handed the trophy back to the Russians. We did so little to follow up, encourage, and help the Russians become a democracy that they are once again in the hands of the communists. An incredible victory thrown away with both hands. Reagan would be ashamed.
Actually, I think Russia has reverted to Tsarism (Czarism). Putin is much more supportive of a market economy than the Obamunists.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 10, 2010 07:51 AM (ujg0T)
What I remember vividly from the 1980s were
(1) the nuclear freeze appease and surrender dupes, and
(2) the Sandinista symp-dupes (I went to a high school with "Catholic" high school teachers who actually volunteered down there summers, probably molesting boys in good "Liberation Theology" fashion).
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 10, 2010 07:57 AM (ujg0T)
#46, the fact that the State Department is several generations of Communist and "trans-national progressive" infiltrated doesn't help.
If I achieved the Presidency, or a temporary military dictator position, having the entire State Department above the level of "building janitors and groundskeepers" exiled or executed seems like an excellent place to start.
Posted by: SGT Dan at March 10, 2010 08:44 AM (GgXZc)
Posted by: SGT Dan at March 10, 2010 08:45 AM (GgXZc)
"At least that's what the Irish think [about Cromwell]."
Gee, I can't imagine why those bog-trotters got such a negative opinion of the guy. After all, he treated them so nicely.
Posted by: Bilwick at March 10, 2010 08:51 AM (AktpP)
At least that's what the Irish think. Did you know Zimriel that Cromwell allowed Jews to settle in England over the objections of Parliment?
Posted by: polynikes at March 10, 2010 11:41 AM (m2CN7)
Well you slaughter several thousand of them, sell more into slavery, confiscate their land and you tend to get a bad reputation.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 10, 2010 09:07 AM (1Jaio)
"At the time he had a choice, go to all out war with Syria and Iran or withdraw. With a Democrap congress who wouldn't support any kind of military option he didn't have much choice. Syria and Iran knew this and so did the young OBL who said the U.S. was a paper tiger."
Or as an alternative to all out war, he could have used Special Forces-types to hunt down all the SOB's responsible, like Israel after the Munich Massacre. In any event, you can't tell me, that if Reagan was such a great orator, he couldn't get win the support of the American people to go after those who murdered hundreds of our own in cold blood.
If he couldn't do that, he wasn't a leader. He had a choice, and he turned tail and ran, he could have done a number of things other than that. Can't blame that on the Democrats. And as a result, Hezbollah and Iran are still a threatening force today.
Posted by: aggiebc at March 10, 2010 09:18 AM (LQav2)
Posted by: mbs at March 10, 2010 09:23 AM (Skt7u)
Reagan's biographer was asking Gorbachev through a translator about what kind of man Reagan was. The translater used a word that was hard to understand in the context, something along the line of honor or greatness, whatever. The biographer asked the translator to explain further. As the translater tried to explain, Gorbachev was listening intently. Then Gorbachev interrupted and said one word, "Kalibur."
The English word and the Russian word are essentially the same.
Posted by: Colonoscopy Aficianado at March 10, 2010 10:13 AM (BEXqc)
What I find infuriating is the number of people who claim that this was not so and that they backed Reagan's words. That is total bullshit. I was there, and the eidtorial pages and tv talking heads almost uniformly condemned the president
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