February 17, 2010
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A documentary that brings together Jimmy Page, U2's The Edge, and Jack White of the White Stripes and the Raconteurs to talk about the electric guitar and rock and roll.
It's a good movie. Here's the one thing that I didn't like: The whole thing was supposed to be about bringing these three guys together, right? And, hopefully, filming their discussions and inevitable jam session, right?
Well, yeah, but apparently they didn't have much of a conversation, because 75% (or 80%) of the movie isn't about them together, but consists of individual interviews where they talk about their past, and what drew them to rock, and the era they grew up in, and etc. Now, the individual interviews are, in fact, interesting -- did you know Jimmy Page played on Goldfinger? Yeah, the Shirley Bassey Bond theme -- but I kept waiting for the individual interviews to be over and them finally to stick with the three men together.
There's very little of that, really. Some good guitar stuff (great moment when The Edge teaches Page and White his special, pared-down method of playing the E chord), but not enough of it, and definitely very little of these guys talking together.
Still, it's a damn fine documentary.
Here is my absolute favorite moment of the movie.
All those guitar gods whose solos you play air-guitar to? You know what they do in their downtime?
They play air-guitar to their guitar gods.
This movie really made me want to listen to Zeppelin again. And Link Wray. And The Jam (The Edge cites The Jam's appearance on TOTP as opening his eyes to music).
And also... U2. Because I never liked U2, because I didn't like Bono. But The Edge, on the other hand, is such a... cool, understated guy, I think he completely balances out Bono's annoying messianism and makes it okay for me to like the band. The Edge here really was the star, because everything he said was interesting and just... pure information. Just very much fact, fact, interesting anecdote, fact, insight, small amusing joke, fact, fact, fact.
Page was cool too, but he didn't talk as much. I didn't get the sense of him I got about The Edge.
And Jack White? Erm... need to talk less and lose some attitude. Eh, maybe the other guys were just as annoying when they were young but age (and a huge stack of money) have mellowed them out.
Really good documentary which anyone who has even a passing interest in rock will like.
Just wish they would have talked to each other more.
But, as The Edge says, "The guitar is my voice."
Oh: Speaking of rockumentaries, I have two more to recommend. Under the fold.
I saw both of these on Netflix, the streaming video thing.
Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon. Nothing super-unexpected here, just a detailed documentary about the making of the album, song by song, with all the members of Floyd commenting. Very thorough and very much worth watching if you're a fan.
Bit of trivia: Those voices they play in the album, the snatches of dialogue? That was Waters' idea. He'd interview people by just showing them a card with a question, mostly about violence and sin. Questions included "Did you ever strike someone with the intent to really harm him?" and then the next question, "Did he deserve it?"
The answers are what's sampled on the album. Stuff like "Oh yeah that bastard deserved it."
Unless I misunderstood this part, two of the people in the studio that day were Paul McCartney and Linda Eastman, and their voices are sampled. Paul does some fake oldster voice, I think, and Linda Eastman does the "Yeah, he was cruisin' for a bruisin'" answer. (To the "Did he deserve it?" question.)
Good documentary.
Now, the unexpected one:
Glen Tilbrook: One for the Road. Unexpectedly fun and cute travelogue about Squeeze's Glen Tilbrook's solo tour through the US. He doesn't have money for a band, or an entourage, so he buys an RV and cruises through the US going city to city, parking in trailer parks, and generally having fun.
One thing to get out of the way: This is not a neutral documentary. This is a haigograhy by a super Glen Tilbrook fangirl (she admits that in the beginning). So don't expect any bad behavior or uncomfortable revelations from Tilbrook -- this is basically a bit of Squeeze evangelicalism.*
But who cares? It's supposed to be fun, and it is. Tilbrook really seems a sweet guy, and really loves the idea of cruising through America in his big (used) RV. He sort of gets off on the whole RV lifestyle.
Because he doesn't have a band (which he admits he'd like to, he just doesn't have the money; he doesn't try selling you on the idea he's doing it out of principle), he uses all sorts of tricks to connect to his devoted fans, like leading them down the street like the pied piper as he plays guitar and they sing the words. Or, when one fan suggests they leave the small club he's playing at and play at her apartment, agreeing -- and bringing the whole club back to a 400 square foot condo.
The best part of this is when he's parked in a Texas RV park. He needs a spare part for his RV (his is always breaking down), and meets some of his RV park-mates in trying to borrow it.
Not from around here, one Texan says.
-- No, from London, he says.
What do you do there? the Texan wants to know.
-- I'm a musician.
Oh? What do you play?
-- I used to be in a band called Squeeze. My name is Glen Tilbrook.
No shut up.
-- No, I am.
Get the hell out of here.
Turns out not only is this guy a huge Squeeze fan, but his buddy in the next RV is an even bigger Squeeze fan, and gets out his 45 Singles and Under CD for Tilbrook to sign.
It's a really cute moment.
There's really not a lot to this documentary. RV driving, a lot of accoustic Squeeze, cute stuff like Tilbrook playing in Grand Central Station and stuff.
You either like Squeeze and want a fluff documentary about one of its two frontmen or you don't.
Gets a bit boring in the final stretch. Kind of the same thing over and over. Wears out its welcome at about 70 minutes.
This clip contains video from the documentary, but not the audio. They just play the studio version of Goodbye Girl over the visuals. Gives you an idea of what you'll be getting, though.
* Actually I realize this is an unfair thing to say -- the other two documentaries are obviously in love with their rock-star subjects, too, so why point out this particular girl is a fangirl?
I guess just because she makes a point of saying so upfront. And I guess because this documentary follows Tilbrook behind the scenes, through various annoyances and stresses, but he never once loses his grin.
So, maybe he is just an very even-tempered and happy guy... but I suspect at some point Tilbrook cursed or otherwise showed displeasure, but it's not shown.
Not that I really care. It's not like I was looking for this documentary to tear the fascade off Glen Tilbrook's smug face and show me the lie beneath or anything.
Not really sure why I've pointed this out. I guess I just sort of was expecting more of an all-access pass, here, some not-so-happy moments.
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Posted by: Al at February 17, 2010 08:04 PM (0lyUI)
Sorry, no. Bono possesses legendary douchebaggeryness. You know he's a number 2, right? 13 Courics or something like that. The Edge would have had to invent the guitar in order to balance Bono. And have a nice rack.
Oh, and it would help if U2 had some music that didn't suck. I've tried to find even a single song that didn't suck, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. See what I did there?
Posted by: FUBAR at February 17, 2010 08:07 PM (1fanL)
Seriously, seeing that clip of Jimmy Page makes me feel really old. Looking in the mirror doesn't make me feel old, but seeing Jimmy Page looking like that -- damn, I'm getting old.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 08:11 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:12 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:15 PM (jlvw3)
You're forgetting about Adam Clayton. Talk about douchebags.
Posted by: Editor at February 17, 2010 08:17 PM (YX6i/)
Watching them doesn't make me feel old, because most of them are dead, anyway.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 08:18 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: ccruse456 at February 17, 2010 08:18 PM (xcbly)
Posted by: vermin at February 17, 2010 08:18 PM (0XYSF)
Posted by: Sam at February 17, 2010 08:21 PM (Cxsey)
That's it. You're banned. Who do you think you are, anyway?
Posted by: chuckles at February 17, 2010 08:23 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 08:26 PM (nxUYP)
And they end up playing that godawful geezer rock song at the end.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 17, 2010 08:26 PM (6qcxy)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:28 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: fozzy at February 17, 2010 08:29 PM (ccEuN)
Posted by: Daveyardbird at February 17, 2010 08:29 PM (Bq4QI)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:29 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: lowandslow at February 18, 2010 12:16 AM (GZitp)
He's just happy to be around to age. But he's still a bitch for letting Punk Daddy sample Kazmir for that stupid Godzilla movie. AND playing on the lousy video.
Posted by: Rocks at February 17, 2010 08:30 PM (yguwr)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:32 PM (jlvw3)
Fuck Page, he wasn't worth a shit. Ever heard him live? He's a technician, not a real guitarist, kind of like Mick Mars of Motley Crue.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 08:33 PM (nxUYP)
Huh, i remember actually being impressed with Jack White because i saw an interview with him and when they asked him about iraq he basically said he wasn't interested in getting into politics and really didn't like entertainers who used their celebrity to push their views. Guess he changed his tune. Anyway, i still think this is one of the best live vids of all time.
Posted by: koopy at February 17, 2010 08:38 PM (ctR4U)
...that's right, I'm talking about U2. Haters can suck it. Bono's "Messianism" is his schtick, and frankly, he's done a HELL of a lot more for the continent of Africa than Bob Geldoff over dreamed of accomplishing. Bono's causes (save for Greenpeace) are always apolitical, but I guess the larger than life front man of history's greatest band gots to have his detractors...
...so let me just break it down thusly:
4 guys who've been together since high school (and the longest any rock band has ever stayed together), broke out with early new wave hits (Boy) despite the fact they didn't use keyboards (beyond the piano, at least), fused with spirituality (October) and politics (War), evolved into synth sounds (Unforgettable Fire) changed to reflect their infatuation with early American music (Joshua Tree), then flat-out reinvented themselves with an industrial twinge while all others were buried in grunge (Achtung). Experimented with European soul (Zooropa), then wallowed in Success/Excess with (Pop); stripped it all away for the new century (All That You Can't Leave Behind), reinvigorated with spiritual/punk flavors after that (Atomic Bomb), and moved toward a buffet of sample sounds from their entire history (No Line).
There is no other band on earth or in history that can measure up to such a body or work.
Posted by: g at February 17, 2010 08:39 PM (phFNW)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 12:33 AM (nxUYP)
Yes, in Chicago in '77. You may or may not like Jimmy Page, but a comment like:
"Fuck Page, he wasn't worth a shit."
just demonstrates your own stupidity or drunkenness (I hope it's the latter. The former can't be slept off.)
Posted by: chuckles at February 17, 2010 08:40 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 08:41 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 17, 2010 08:43 PM (l1KFP)
They were, but I guess I also found it frustrating how they'd sort of get into the groove of one story, say Jimmy's, then jump to the Edge's, then jump to Jack White's, and then come back to Jimmy's, but at a different point, or not really following from where it left off. I dunno.
I guess I'd have preferred 45 minutes with Jimmy, followed by 45 with the Edge. Jack White's best bit was the homemade guitar at the beginning.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 17, 2010 08:44 PM (6qcxy)
Don't you blaspheme in here! Don't you blaspheme in here!!
Posted by: Jim R. at February 17, 2010 08:45 PM (yil2W)
Huh?
Well, maybe we're not a rock band....
Posted by: The O'Jays at February 17, 2010 08:48 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: THE ROLLING STONES, FOR CHRISSAKES at February 17, 2010 08:49 PM (l1KFP)
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 08:50 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: koopy at February 17, 2010 08:52 PM (ctR4U)
Posted by: Patrick at February 17, 2010 08:53 PM (UODJq)
Let's try that again.
that's my favorite Hendrix live performance. This is kinda cool, not a real good performance, but it's just rare to see him in a stripped down environment.
Posted by: koopy at February 17, 2010 08:56 PM (ctR4U)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 08:57 PM (jlvw3)
No one can remember to take off their socks....
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 08:57 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 09:00 PM (OBDWE)
That has a Zep vibe to it? Friggin White plays rhythm for God's sake. The only sense of a lead is the slide and it's not him playing it. It's a fun song though.
This is what kills me about these guys. I love U2 but Edge is a rhythm guitarist. He couldn't construct a decent solo if his life depended on it.
Posted by: Rocks at February 17, 2010 09:01 PM (yguwr)
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Sting.
Discuss?
Oh, shit. I don't know. Just always hated him worse.
Damn good bass player, though.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:02 PM (D6KR0)
I agree with everything up until the final period above. They are very good, and by that I mean they have written good songs that will last.
But after Achtung? C'Mon. They just haven't written a song (maybe beautiful day) that can stand next to their previous catalog. That said, give 'em credit. They wrote excellent, lasting stuff.
Posted by: Ray Midge at February 17, 2010 09:03 PM (Z5Sq7)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 09:06 PM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Rocks at February 18, 2010 12:27 AM (yguwr)
That's Oh-ree-on's belt. I don't want you to sound stupid.
Posted by: Your Precedent at February 17, 2010 09:06 PM (A46hP)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 17, 2010 09:06 PM (cpuvG)
I might add Eddie to the list, and maybe Pete, but I can't argue with any of your choices.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:08 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 09:08 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: caspera at February 17, 2010 09:09 PM (Z+uUp)
Not the stones.
It's Golden Earring.
Posted by: ace at February 18, 2010 01:08 AM (jlvw3)
Longer than Fleetwood Mac? (though they had 1232 incarnations)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 17, 2010 09:10 PM (A46hP)
Whew. I was kind of worried that might have been misinterpreted.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 17, 2010 09:10 PM (A46hP)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 09:12 PM (jlvw3)
Dunno, I only saw him once, but he kicked serious ass.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:12 PM (D6KR0)
He is totally on the money with that. I lived some of it, it was unbelievable.
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 09:12 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: Sunny Black at February 17, 2010 09:13 PM (lFhqf)
Posted by: ace at February 18, 2010 01:08 AM (jlvw3)
Doesn't count. 2 of the members aren't founders. If you go by the members they only go back to 1970.
Posted by: Rocks at February 17, 2010 09:13 PM (yguwr)
Posted by: docweasel at February 17, 2010 09:13 PM (kgwdA)
Yep. Fleetwood Mac was 6 years later. Damn! Those are some old bands.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 17, 2010 09:15 PM (A46hP)
O'Jays. 1958. They lost 2 members back in the early 60s, and they didn't settle on their current name until '63, so their integrity is not entirely pure, but Dick Clark always used to give them the longevity award, and if Dick knows anything, it's longevity.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:17 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 09:19 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: Rocks at February 17, 2010 09:22 PM (yguwr)
85
Sure.
Way to waffle.
If you won't defend Golden Earring, you'll probably turn on Sarah Palin as soon as the newest MSM hit piece comes out, too.
RINO.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:22 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: ace at February 18, 2010 01:19 AM (jlvw3)
If you throw in the earliest appearance of a music video on MTV then I think Golden Earring is definitely a lock. They must have been on in the first year, or so, and most people probably still recognize that shot of the bullet going through the card sideways in slow motion.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 17, 2010 09:23 PM (A46hP)
notropis, I was lucky enough to have seen all those I named at least three times except for Rory only once. Anyone who thinks Page couldn't play live caught him on a bad night. And I'm okay with Eddie on the short list but left him off because Randi Rhodes was doing much the same at the same time.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 09:26 PM (OBDWE)
Was it this one?
Edgerton's a fellow Husker.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:26 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 09:26 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: ace at February 17, 2010 09:31 PM (jlvw3)
We're about ten weeks into the adventure and we've got three guitars-- a Jay Turser electric, a Little Martin acoustic and an acoustic-electric by Rogue... wife hadda put the brakes on me, elsewise we'd own three more... what is it about guitars that people can't just buy one?!
I was playing "El Paso" by Marty Robbins last night... Can't believe I can actually make sound with this thing. I highly recommend learning the guitar! (Hell, I'm 52 and she's 44... never too late!!)
Posted by: Brian McKim at February 17, 2010 09:31 PM (LHQux)
That was the look. I remember seeing some guy do that, live as it were, on a sharpshooter documentary. Awesome. And then he hit a nail from 50 feet with a .38 snubnose, IIRC. (Don't quote me on that last one, but it was something close)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 17, 2010 09:31 PM (A46hP)
I'm jealous.
I missed seeing Rory Gallagher in, it must have been the early '80s, and somehow I knew I'd never get another chance. Well, that's why they record the shit, I guess.
So I'm listening to him now, until my daughter tells me to turn it down because it's a school night (like she wants to sleep. She's just having a hard time talking to her boyfriend on the phone.)
"Brute force and ignorance...."
Yeah.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:36 PM (D6KR0)
If thats the song I'm thinking of, I think all the background guitar was actually Glen campbell when he was doing studio stuff. If I'm remembering right.
You're never too old to learn guitar. I taught a a chick in her late 40's to play classical, she never touched a guitar, and in 1 month time she was learning songs on her own.
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 09:39 PM (gWHrG)
All I can think about when I hear that song is The Grateful Dead, who played it at nearly every show of their entire career. "I picked a good one, he looked like a good run, up on his back and away I did ride..."
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 17, 2010 09:41 PM (l1KFP)
Beat me to it.
Bobby Weir would usually manage to get all the lyrics correct, and in the correct order, which is no small feat, given the length of the song, and the condition of Bobby Weir.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:44 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: chuckles at February 18, 2010 12:40 AM (D6KR0)
I'll admit drunkenness, but Page could not hold a candle to Jimi, Clapton, Van Halen, Rhoads, Malmsteen, K.K.Downing, or a shitload of others. He was technically a good guitarist who wallowed in the brilliance of Robert Plant.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 09:49 PM (nxUYP)
notropis: "I missed seeing Rory Gallagher in, it must have been the early '80s, and somehow I knew I'd never get another chance. Well, that's why they record the shit, I guess."
I saw him play in Texas in 1972.
A couple of excellent DVDs exist, I recommend "Live at Rockplast" (Germany, two shows) and "Live at Cork". Sadly, that one was near the end.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 09:50 PM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 01:50 AM (OBDWE)
Thanks, I'll definitely check them out.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 09:52 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 09:52 PM (gLSaO)
Yeah, he got that one right. It was the lyrics to "Truckin'" that he always screwed up.
The Dead probably played "El Paso" more than 3,000 times between 1970 and 1995, and sometimes I think I've heard nearly 2000+ of them, without particularly intending to.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 17, 2010 09:53 PM (l1KFP)
Ok, some rules here-
First off, its called GAS- Guitar Acquisition Syndrome, when you start getting into the other shit like guitar amp hording, it evolves into Gear Acquisition Syndrome. This is documented in the guitar world, GAS says it all.
Its related to the ferengi rules of acquisition-
#115 - Greed is eternal
#242- More is good, all is better
3 is not enough, 5 is not enough, 10 is not enough.
The secret is to always leave the house with a guitar case. This way every time you leave or come home you are carrying a case. Doing that allows you to sneak in new guitars at a terrifying rate, because the wife will just get confused trying to keep track of what you are doing and will just give up.
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 09:53 PM (gWHrG)
He's fallen out of favor.
When I was in high school, he was god, and I was a moron.
Now, I'm still a moron and he's no longer god.
I think I got the better of that exchange.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:00 PM (D6KR0)
3 is not enough, 5 is not enough, 10 is not enough.
I've never had more than one guitar at a time. I have had guitar lust for 40 years, though, without the money to indulge it.
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 10:00 PM (gLSaO)
SRV was Jimmy's little brother to those of us in Austin in the '70's but he did turn out pretty good, huh?
For a great show find one of Stevie's old band mates from back then, Alan Haynes. Still going strong in Austin and he tours. You'll never see anyone fingerpick a Strat like that man can.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 10:02 PM (OBDWE)
Pretty much where I'm at with women....
Well, maybe not 40 years.
Well, yeah, come to think of it, 40 years....
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:02 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at February 17, 2010 10:04 PM (Jwx5s)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at February 17, 2010 10:05 PM (Jwx5s)
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 10:06 PM (gLSaO)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 10:11 PM (nxUYP)
Them boys could pick. And they always made it look so damn easy.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:11 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 17, 2010 10:12 PM (7oTqv)
Well, if somebody would dig my ass up, then maybe I would be available for interviews.
Posted by: Stevie Ray Vaughan at February 17, 2010 10:13 PM (nxUYP)
Dude, you never said shit, even when your brain was working.
Shut up and play already, and don't use this "I'm dead" crap as an excuse.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:15 PM (D6KR0)
Bands usually morph. Meaning they go from talent to fame. Up through Joshua Tree, U-2 was unbeatable. After getting their asses kissed from Joshua Tree, they became more "artists", and less musicians. It happens to just about every band.
Posted by: Stevie Ray Vaughan at February 17, 2010 10:17 PM (nxUYP)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 10:20 PM (OBDWE)
I always thought that the Edge was underrated. His harmonic playing style is unique, and the earlier U2 songs are treats to listen to. Bono was not yet the over-the-top showman, the band just played solid rock. Bono's head really grew after Joshua Tree, and with the exception of some tunes on Achtung Baby, the band became unlistenable. Their new stuff just seems forced.
They have new stuff? Huh.
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 10:20 PM (gLSaO)
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 10:24 PM (gLSaO)
We don't mention Joni Mitchell because she was limited in her guitar playing skills. This is a thread about alledged guitar talent. Joni was a hell of a folk player, but limited in her range. Her niche is carved in her music, not her musical talents.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 10:24 PM (nxUYP)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 17, 2010 10:25 PM (7oTqv)
It's like you're living in my head.
Anyway.
You lived/live in Austin?
Have you had a chance to see Robert Randolph and the Family Band?
I caught him on an Austin City Limits episode and I'm hooked. I wanted to pick up tickets when they came to Des Moines (closest place to me on the last tour) but they were opening for Dave Matthews so tickets were gone pretty much instantly.
Fun, energy, talent, blues, rock and lots o' feedback -- all on a pedal steel.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:29 PM (D6KR0)
Of course there is a place at the table for Slayer and AC/DC. In my opinion, this thread is about the best guitarists in the rock era. Problem is that it is subjective. Angus Young is a great guitarist, but some purists consider him a one or two chord guy who made good. To me, Hetfield is the best guitarist in Metallica, but some others would disagree since he is mostly of the rythm variety.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 10:31 PM (nxUYP)
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:35 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2010 10:39 PM (gLSaO)
Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2010 02:39 AM (gLSaO)
Because they did drugs, and you're (we're) old.
Or else because you (we) did drugs and they're old.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:41 PM (D6KR0)
128:
Lived in Austin for a long time. Living in Singapore for the past year but based halfway between Austin and Houston. Back to Tejas in May then off to Brazil in September. I have not seen Robert Randolph except in the same Austin City Limits episode and the Crossroads DVD. I will definitely find that band. Another suggestion is Monte Montegomery destroying acoustic guitars and Jim Suhler who works for George Thorogood when he tours but Dallas based and has a band called Jim Suhler and Monkey Beat. "Are You Experienced" on a 1932 National resonator with all the feedback. Good guy too.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 10:42 PM (OBDWE)
I keep thinking I'm typing in everything the same, but it comes out sort of pot luck.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:42 PM (D6KR0)
Joe is from my neck of the woods, so I would never exclude him from some list. In fact, if it wasn't for Joe, the Eagles maybe would not have been as big as they were. I think the argument is mainly who was the most talented guitarists of the modern rock era. Clapton and Jimi have to be at the top especially since Jimi didn't use wa-wa pedals. Eddie did shit to guitars that still cannot be duplicated, and Randy Rhoads as well. It's a subjective argument but fun as well.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 10:44 PM (nxUYP)
Cool, thanks. I haven't heard of either of them (no surprise, I'm sort of stuck in the 70s), but I've added them to my list and I'll check them out.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 10:45 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 10:58 PM (nxUYP)
I keep thinking I'm typing in everything the same, but it comes out sort of pot luck.
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 02:42 AM (D6KR0)
That happens when you select the "Posted by:" line along with the other text you are pasting into the comment box.If you leave off the "Posted by:" line, you probably won't get the dashed lines. If you want to see what happens, click the symbol that looks like <>. That brings up a source editor. Inside you'll see paragraph elements with the class ID of "posted". That's what brings out the dashed lines.Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:01 PM (9b6FB)
That's like saying them old blues guys were terrible musicians.
Perspective, dood.
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:04 PM (9b6FB)
Okay, listen to Page's old solos compared to the written songs. I have. His solos sucked at least compared to Hendryx or Van Halen or a million others. His niche was rhythm and he was great at that. DOOD!
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 11:09 PM (nxUYP)
That's true, sorry to go off-topic.
Another guitar player that I think is underrated is David Gilmour. Probably because Floyd is greater than the sum of it's parts. But he is absolutely mesmerizing on many of Floyd's tunes, and also as a solo act. Even without, um, "help".
Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 17, 2010 11:09 PM (7oTqv)
That doesn't make them great, I've also played with some technically brilliant guys who I just don't like to listen to. Sometimes a guy who is like Link Wray is better to have in your band.
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:11 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: FUBAR at February 17, 2010 11:11 PM (1fanL)
I'm going to keep picking on you, because everyone else seems to have passed out, and you're nice enough to respond.
I've always thought that Keith Richards both pioneered and perfected the rhythm guitar, although John Mayall also had some major contributions.
Jimmy Page was Zeppelin's lone guitarist. He was both rhythm and lead. He also wrote the music to most of Zeppelin's songs, and he and John Paul Jones did all the arrangements, which included some incredibly intricate scorings and rhythm changes, as well as some seriously kick ass solos.
Certainly he always valued musicality above virtuosity; he wasn't about trying to show off his mad fast finger skills; but his arrangements of Willie Dixon and Elmore James and others, as well as his original work, is both unprecedented and unequaled, and usually recognized as such (although not, apparently, by you.)
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:12 PM (D6KR0)
'Ace' posting about music is like Sarah Palin talking about 'foreign policy'. major lol whut?
get a grip you fat bearded epileptic spastic - you dont know shit about music.
fuck me... Jesus wept.
Posted by: Malik Shabazz NBP at February 17, 2010 11:13 PM (ptYyx)
Thank you.
You've opened a whole new world, which will disappear when I pass out tonight, and totally forget what I learned.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:14 PM (D6KR0)
That's sort of where I'm at.
Thanks for the reinforcement.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:15 PM (D6KR0)
There's a movie coming out with Ben Barnes called 'Killing Bono' that I can't wait to be released - all about U2's early days.
Posted by: tdpwells at February 17, 2010 11:18 PM (Ei3oZ)
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:19 PM (9b6FB)
you can thank that jerkoff Bob Rock for that.
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 11:19 PM (gWHrG)
Here they are covering Metallica's instrumental Orion, from the Master of Puppets album:
http://tinyurl.com/cl43qz
Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 17, 2010 11:21 PM (7oTqv)
The source editor is a little funky, but if you use "span" tags, you can get more control over you format. To see what a span tag looks like, just select some text in the regular edit box and italicise it or bold it. Then look at the result in the source editor.
The regular edit box accomplishes the bold and italic stuff via "span".
THat's enough haitch tee emell from me!
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:25 PM (9b6FB)
I'd never heard of them before, but that's seriously hot. Thanks.
Ace don't know it, but we all learn more here after he's gone to bed than he ever learned in law school.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:27 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Berserker at February 17, 2010 11:27 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: GEnisis at February 18, 2010 03:25 AM (FD2Ex)"
I'd say "he's dead," but then, so are most of the others we've mentioned.
Fact is, we all left out the entire Zappa/Belew/Fripp/Eno wing of guitar geniuses.
You're good. The rest of us suck. Seriously.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:33 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 11:41 PM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at February 18, 2010 03:21 AM (7oTqv)
Sort of hard to straighten out, but my "160" post was supposed to link to your comment.
Someone must be screwing with my postings. It couldn't possibly be that I've had too much to drink and it's pushing 3 a.m. Central time.
Posted by: notropis at February 17, 2010 11:42 PM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 17, 2010 11:43 PM (OBDWE)
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:44 PM (9b6FB)
The whole argument here is that I do not consider Page a great guitarist. Does that mean I do not like Zeppelin? Absolutely not, I love Zeppelin. Page's niche to me was rhythm, and he was good at it. Richards was not. Granted, the Stones were much more talented than the Beatles, but that is not saying much. You see, as a 46 year old man who loves heavy metal from the 70's through the 80's and into today, I recognize what made Page great. And it was his rhythmic stylings and 16th notes that made metal what it became.
. I guarantee Van Halen has respect for Page, just as Page has for Hendrix.
Posted by: K~Bob at February 18, 2010 03:19 AM (9b6FB)
No Bob, Eddie has nothing but disdain for Page. Check out his interviews where he slams Page. And yes Beserker, Cliff Burton was much better than Jayson Newstead, but if it wasn't for the Black album, Metallica would never have been considered the greatest metal band of all time. May be unfair thanks to Bob Rock, but it is the truth. And Justice For All was great, but a million miles from the greatest selling rock act (Guns N Roses) at the time. The black album changed that.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 11:46 PM (nxUYP)
Posted by: K~Bob at February 17, 2010 11:49 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: K~Bob at February 18, 2010 03:49 AM (9b6FB)
Pantera: 101 Proof Live. He is unfairly forgotten in the pantheon of great guitarists. Pantera started out as thrash metal that was linked unfairly to white supremacy. That I think is why Dimebag never got his just dues.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 17, 2010 11:53 PM (nxUYP)
Ah well. That's guitar players for ya. I was thinking more about regular musicians when I made that assertion. Come to think of it, it seems like guitar guys love ragging on each other more than most.
Every now and then someone claims greatness and actually lives up to it. Kinda like Jaco Pastorius telling Ray Brown that he (Jaco) was the greatest bass player in the world (paraphrasing. I forget the actual quote I read, which was probably paraphrased, too). Oddly enough Ray Brown claimed to respect Jaco later, even though he was taken aback by Jaco's claim. I forget where I read that.
All of this was before Jaco went nuts, of course.
BTW, Ray Brown was never the technician that Jaco and Stanley Clark were, but Ray was a great bass player.
"Great" is obviously subjective. It's not as quantifiable in music as it is in sports.
Posted by: K~Bob at February 18, 2010 12:00 AM (9b6FB)
Posted by: fluffy at February 18, 2010 12:03 AM (SwkdU)
What are you granting? No one in this entire thread mentioned the Beatles until you just did.
Your dismissal of Keith Richards in this post is about as stupid as your original dismissal (that you've backed waaaay up on) of Jimmy Page as "Fuck Page, he wasn't worth a shit."
And "16th notes?" That's all you get from Jimmy Page?
We must be speaking different languages, or listening to different music.
Just curious. Do you play guitar? Have you actually sat down and worked out Zeppelin's arrangements? If the answers are yes, how do you come away thinking Page's contributions to music are simply rhythmic stylings and 16th notes?
Chart out something like "The Crunge" or "Achilles Last Stand" (just to grab two totally at random).
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 12:03 AM (D6KR0)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 12:05 AM (nxUYP)
You're angry with me I can tell. Look, I'm telling you what my opinion is of Jimmy Page. To me he is a rhythm guitarist and a damn good one who paved the way for the new wave of British heavy metal. I just don't think he was a great lead guitarist, that is all. Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Lovin, and Cashmere proves to me what a great rhythm guitarist he was since those were the songs Zeppelin made a shitload of money off of. (Stairway To Heaven doesn't count). I don't recall his greatest hits having anything to do with great melodic lead riffs or solos. Oh and by the way, the Beatles were way overrated and Lennon sucked ass.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 12:14 AM (nxUYP)
The Kids Are Alright.
Best rock movie ever made.
Watch it and you'll understand why Keith Moon's death tore the heart out of
The Who.
Posted by: lotocoti at February 18, 2010 12:17 AM (b1OiT)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 04:05 AM (nxUYP)
I watched a bit. Women's downhill was pretty damned wild. Hard, fast icy shit was causing some major wipeouts. When they fell, they still kept going a long way until either hitting something or finally grinding to a halt.
I think the games are more exciting if, like NASCAR, people can get hurt. I'm not sadistic, but sports are not for lard-ass couch potatoes like me. THey're for the kinda folks that want to compete. Serious competition often involves risk of injury or death. Imagine racing with governors on the cars to make them stay under 100mph. Imagine concerts with guitar amps all under 100watts. Imagine making it through a thread without a long ramble like this to put you to sleep.
I gotta get some shuteye. Good night, messrs Adams, notropis and whoever is still hangin'.
Posted by: K~Bob at February 18, 2010 12:21 AM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 12:22 AM (OBDWE)
Your hash is fed-ex you fucking bastard. We"ll get our payback bitch.
Posted by: U.P.S. screwed out of a good hash because of Fed-ex. at February 18, 2010 12:30 AM (nxUYP)
First, I ain't angry. Why would I be? I simply find your opinion uninformed, unsubstantiated and unwarranted.
Actually, Led Zeppelin didn't make a "shitload of money" off of any of those songs that you listed, since none of those went anywhere on the singles charts. The Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, and Kashmir might show up now on oldies stations, but none of them were played on the radio when they came out. Led Zeppelin made their money off album sales.
Why you've stipulated that Stairway to Heaven wouldn't count, when that actually is the single, along with Rock and Roll, that they made most of their record sales money off of, is your business, I guess, and really takes the topic off in some strange other direction; but it has no actual bearing on the original conversation.
(If you actually can recall the 70s, then you'd also recall that Zeppelin sold almost no singles and got pretty much no a.m. radio airplay, so there's really no "greatest hits" argument at all as regards Led Zeppelin.)
And I really don't know why you're still hung up on the Beatles. I mean, you caught me; the White Album was, in fact, the first album I ever bought, but I was maybe 10 years old at the time, and my mom confiscated it because of the picture of Yoko's naked pendulous breasts, and after that I stuck to the Stones, Canned Heat, O. V. Wright and Ray Charles, at least until I hit my teen years.
But anyway, Jimmy Page is now seen to be (by you) a damn good rhythm guitarist who should be fucked and wasn't worth shit.
OK
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 12:42 AM (D6KR0)
Posted by: fluffy at February 18, 2010 12:43 AM (SwkdU)
fluffy, correct both counts. People drift in and out of King Crimson depending on when Robert Fripp decides to reactivate it.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 12:50 AM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 12:53 AM (OBDWE)
Well, I wouldn't fuck him and I think he had a hell of a lot of talent. But you are right about one thing, Zeppelins songs did not become mainstream on the radio until 1976 (oh oh o o ho all those tears i cry) too much beer to remember that pop 40 hit of theirs, sorry forgot the name. But, I didn't think Yoko had pendulous breasts, probably used them to choke John into submission and make him an anti-war British pussy who had no right or business publicly bitching about Vietnam since he was not an American citizen. Thank God for Mark David Chapman. (Although the White Album was a good album.)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 12:54 AM (nxUYP)
Posted by: fluffy at February 18, 2010 12:56 AM (SwkdU)
That's a great observation.
I worked in a blues bar (Zoo Bar, Lincoln, NE, in case you're interested) off and on for over a decade, and I saw a multitude of really fantastic acts, and probably some guitarists that could challenge any of those we've mentioned in this thread, and most of them also knew they were going nowhere.
The arts are funny that way. Any large enough region (around here, maybe ten rural counties should do it) is likely to include people who are as good as, or better than, 90% of the national acts that we see, and yet, they all know that they are likely to go nowhere.
It's a good thing that most musicians play for the love of the music and the fun of the performance, and not for the money or the fame or the chicks.
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 01:05 AM (D6KR0)
Posted by: gomm at February 18, 2010 01:12 AM (Ibk1S)
NSFW link.
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 05:08 AM (D6KR0)
Okay, got me there. Forgot about that pic. Jesus, she could hide a grizzly in that bush.
Posted by: U.P.S. at February 18, 2010 01:13 AM (nxUYP)
notropis, I completely agree...you do it for love of playing. That's why I still keep the pads on my fingers after all these years..... even if I have to earn my groceries another way. I will play anytime I find anyone that is interested, no matter the talent level. Lots of people can smoke me on guitar. I don't care, I'm having fun and learning all the time.
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 01:14 AM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 05:14 AM (OBDWE)
**************
Amen.
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 01:16 AM (D6KR0)
See that's what I'm arguing about. Subjective artistry. To me, Page paved the way for some of the greatest British heavy metal there ever was simply because of his rhythmic guitar writings, riffs and talents. I am in no way disrespecting Page's ability to play guitar, I am just saying that his legacy belongs in a different but equal category in the realm of contemporary hard rock music. In other words, if I want to hear a hard rhythm riff in the classical sense then I will listen to Rock-N-Roll or Cashmere. If I want to hear a hard solo lead riff then I will listen to Eddie Van Halen or Randy Rhoads or Jimi, or a shitload of guitarists. Again, it is subjective, meaning opinion.
Posted by: U.P.S. at February 18, 2010 01:21 AM (nxUYP)
Posted by: gomm at February 18, 2010 01:23 AM (Ibk1S)
Posted by: U.P.S. at February 18, 2010 01:27 AM (nxUYP)
And the fewest scruples.
;-)
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 01:32 AM (D6KR0)
;-)
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 05:32 AM (D6KR0)
Your point being?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 01:33 AM (nxUYP)
Sorry. Let me translate that to drummer-speak:
"and really don't care whether she's fat, toofless, filthy, or my first cousin."
(We kid because we care.)
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 01:36 AM (D6KR0)
Again, is there a hole and does it face the front. And of course, will the lights be off? Not asking for much.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 01:39 AM (nxUYP)
Oh and all kidding aside. What drummer married not only Pamela Anderson but Heather Locklear as well smartypants. Eddie married a chick that got fat. John Mayer is so in love with masturbating that he forgot to fuck Jessica Simpson.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 01:43 AM (nxUYP)
Posted by: Dave in Singapore at February 18, 2010 01:45 AM (OBDWE)
Now that there's funny.
Posted by: notropis at February 18, 2010 01:49 AM (D6KR0)
Posted by: frustrated Jessica Simpson at February 18, 2010 02:04 AM (SwkdU)
Posted by: aficionado of cuties at February 18, 2010 02:14 AM (ITzbJ)
I saw an interview with the guy that made It Might Get Loud. Believe it or not not he's the same guy who produced Al Gore's piece of shit An Inconvenient Truth.
I half expected this to be something about how electric guitars fucked up the environment,
Being a fan of great guitar players, White and The Edge would not be my first choices, but it seems like an interesting mix of styles and generations.
I think they were chosen primarily for the name recognition. There are waaayyyy better players out there
Thing is..I just fucking hate U2...can't stand them. I think their "music" would be extremely effective as an EIT on the muzzie prisoners.
Me...? For my 14th birthday, I got a CD of Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs. I spent the whole summer working odd jobs working to buy a Strat
Posted by: beedubya at February 18, 2010 02:34 AM (AnTyA)
Hey morons, ace recomended two other films under the fold, one about Pink Floyd, and the other called "Glen Tilbrook: One for the Road."
I actually watched the Glen movie based off of ace's recomendation. It was touching and funny at points. Did ANY of you commenters watch or have anything to add about what was below the fold, or was I the only sucker who went there?
Posted by: Ed at February 18, 2010 02:40 AM (OCfDT)
Posted by: frustrated Jessica Simpson at February 18, 2010 02:56 AM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Corona at February 18, 2010 03:09 AM (woZIc)
"The Load" by the Band
...and and and put your milky load put your milky load right on me
OK..now you..put your milky load on me..
..next!!
C.mon...who else has a milky load for rawmuscleglutes??
Posted by: beedubya at February 18, 2010 03:10 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: LtE113 at February 18, 2010 03:11 AM (3NFq/)
Posted by: beedubya at February 18, 2010 07:10 AM (AnTyA)
Shit..forgot to put on the Andy Sullivan sock
Posted by: beedubya at February 18, 2010 03:12 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: LtE113 at February 18, 2010 03:18 AM (3NFq/)
Posted by: Decaf at February 18, 2010 03:29 AM (NooBZ)
Anyone see Joe Biden with the ashes on his forehead?
I didn't realize he was Catholic...I just thought thats where Obama stubbed out his cigarette while Slow Joe was blowing him
Dear God..that was just a joke..please don't send me to hell
Posted by: beedubya at February 18, 2010 03:30 AM (AnTyA)
Oh, and it would help if U2 had some music that didn't suck. I've tried to find even a single song that didn't suck,
New Years Day, but that's about it.
Posted by: Decaf at February 18, 2010 03:33 AM (NooBZ)
Anyone see Joe Biden with the ashes on his forehead?
I didn't realize he was Catholic...I just thought thats where Obama stubbed out his cigarette while Slow Joe was blowing him
Dear God..that was just a joke..please don't send me to hell
If God were that vengeful Dennis Miller would be destined for that place as well. I heard him tell a similar joke to O'Reilly.
Posted by: Decaf at February 18, 2010 03:39 AM (NooBZ)
Posted by: Tim at February 18, 2010 03:45 AM (Sxt4Z)
It might have been except it had that big-headed fool David Byrne in it.
Posted by: Steve L. at February 18, 2010 03:50 AM (Gkhxf)
YouTube is offline.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 18, 2010 03:55 AM (oeESr)
hahaha, the fake rape victim in the Duke Lacrosse case has been charged with attempted murder and child abuse.
Posted by: This is Clarence Darrow at February 18, 2010 03:58 AM (00r+V)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 18, 2010 03:59 AM (oeESr)
okay, thanks for keeping us updated, Bonesteel.
let us know when what you plan on having for lunch, too
Posted by: This is Clarence Darrow at February 18, 2010 04:02 AM (00r+V)
If the guitar is his "voice," he's as articulate as South Park's Timmy.
Posted by: Jack.The.Dipper at February 18, 2010 04:06 AM (hyP1j)
Posted by: curious at February 18, 2010 04:08 AM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at February 18, 2010 04:11 AM (p302b)
Speaking of U2, here's a Maddox article about U2's 2004 album.
The Eleven Worst Songs of 2004.
/Believe me, I LOLed.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at February 18, 2010 04:12 AM (9hSKh)
Speaking of The Jam...Paul Weller's early solo albums "Paul Weller" & "Wildwood" are classics as well.
Cheers,
Posted by: william at February 18, 2010 04:14 AM (Pgwuz)
Sorry, but U2 still sucks. Yeah Edge is great, not great-great, but great. But the songs sucked too much. Now let's bring back the dead and have Jimi and Les Paul talk to Jimmy and Eric and Stevie Ray and they can all gang up on Eddie Van Halen... My perfect guitar documentary.
Posted by: Deanna at February 18, 2010 04:15 AM (1lbXG)
Posted by: curious at February 18, 2010 04:17 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 18, 2010 04:22 AM (WvXvd)
"okay, thanks for keeping us updated, Bonesteel.
let us know when what you plan on having for lunch, too"
Breakfast is coffee and cigarettes.
Lunch will be a homemade taco salad, with coffee, iced tea or milk.
Supper will be a stroganoff. Bring your favorite whine.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 18, 2010 04:53 AM (oeESr)
O/T morn' maroons, this will gete yer juices flowin this morning:
Bill Maher, still keepin it classy...
"...while we were off, Sarah Palin agreed to do commentary at Fox News. Which is actually very similar to her day job - talking to a baby with Down Syndrome."
Posted by: dananjcon at February 18, 2010 05:03 AM (pr+up)
The White Stripes are down right irritating to listen to, and U2 lost whatever semblance of 'Rock' it had a long time ago.
Jimmy is a GOD that should not be insulted with the like of that garbage on the same movie.
Posted by: MelodicMetal in MA at February 18, 2010 05:08 AM (x4S2a)
I'd love to see them do one for "Court of the Crimson King" while all the original King Crimson guys are still alive.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 18, 2010 05:10 AM (eNxMU)
And The Jam
I heard a Style Council tune in IHOP yesterday; a week ago I heard "A Town Called Malice" at Coco's.
Damn. Few things make me feel older.
I did enjoy the tunes.
Posted by: Tom vG at February 18, 2010 05:22 AM (TRJxR)
Goldfinger was hands down the best bond theme ever, and look at that. Jimmy Page played on that?!! Also, I met Bono and Alicia Keyes at a fundraiser by Mario Batalli, and they were both really sweet, actually. She is gorgeous in real life. Next to Marisa Tomei, easily the most naturally beautiful celebrities working today.
I'm not surprised Jack White comes off so douchey. He takes himself too seriously, shoots too much junk and doesn't have legs, musically speaking.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2010 05:28 AM (mHQ7T)
Marginalization of the opposition is all the loony Libs have left. They see everything they ever wanted falling apart and are desperate to find some shred of dignity or credibility to cling to.
If mocking disabled children and taking potshots at their Moms is their current depth, I can't wait to see where they sink to by November.
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 18, 2010 05:32 AM (vVM8h)
Passes the old knucklehead ideology test, eh?
Knuckleheads listen to mainstream, shit-pop. What a surprise.
You're in your wheelhouse, ace, when you do culture critique in which the first order of business is: "Now, does this offend my political sensibility?"
So much stuff to hate, when you're a knucklehead.
Posted by: Roky Erikson at February 18, 2010 06:07 AM (mNU7w)
You know what the best part about them is?
NO GUITARS.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 18, 2010 06:10 AM (GhUHn)
Seriously, who's better? I can make a case for Fripp over almost anyone else. The last truly 'important' guitar innovator since the '70s IMO.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 18, 2010 06:14 AM (GhUHn)
Jack White said that about the Air Force? Fuck Jack White.
I'd have interviewed Slash. Peter Hook if we're dealing with bassists.
Posted by: Zimriel at February 18, 2010 06:40 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Zimriel at February 18, 2010 06:42 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Zimriel at February 18, 2010 06:44 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Vile Roman at February 18, 2010 06:44 AM (iBzKc)
Posted by: Vile Roman at February 18, 2010 06:48 AM (iBzKc)
It's old now, but check out the Pawlenty/Miller thread a few posts below...the subject of how Palin just lowers herself by responding to these people did come up.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 18, 2010 06:52 AM (GhUHn)
Posted by: doug at February 18, 2010 06:53 AM (UpJts)
Posted by: slade at February 18, 2010 06:56 AM (XsHAM)
There is a clip of a deleted scene on youtube from the movie where Jimmy explains to the Edge how the riff for Kashmir came about. Then he plays the riff. Awesome, chill up your spine awesome. Jimmy was the creative force behind the greatest rock 'n roll band of all time. A legendary producer, composer, and not to mention....one of the most the most prodigious session guitarists ever.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at February 18, 2010 06:57 AM (b68Df)
Does Jimmy Page talk about his concert back in '88 when someone threw a mini-pumpkin at him (Halloween time) and it bounced off, making him feign pain; and then the security guy grabbed the pumpkin, and I, in the front row, made pleading eyes to the security guy who then handed me the pumpkin? And if so, does he mention how he looked me straight in the eyes while doing an awesome windmill on his guitar?
Just curious.
Posted by: antimatter at February 18, 2010 06:58 AM (gbCNS)
270
Was that on the "Outrider" tour? I saw him on that one in 1988 at the Starplex in Dallas. This is when people raised concerns about the structural integrity of that venue. We were a bit concerned for Jimmy's safety,....er as well as our own.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at February 18, 2010 07:02 AM (b68Df)
Yeah, but this concert was in K.C. There were no seats assigned to the tickets, so I waited outside the concert hall for hours. I made the front row, but I still spent the whole concert fighting off people trying to shove into my space.
I've got a picture of my infant son with that mini-pumpkin that touched Jimmy Page!
Posted by: antimatter at February 18, 2010 07:07 AM (gbCNS)
#258, first leftist troll! Who bet closest to #258? We really need to make this an AOS contest.
Ok, guys, as for U2--anyone who was inspired by Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy fame (truly an unsung hero of Rock and Roll--especially given the disco 1970's when he peaked) can't be all bad.
And Page? Given that he comes all the way from skiffle days, his longevity alone makes him a rock god.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 18, 2010 07:12 AM (ujg0T)
Dude, drop off your panties on the way out.
After reading your post claiming U2 to be the best Rock Band ever, I can now understand how people voted for Obama.
Do you PLAY guitar? Do you play any instrument?
How old are you?
Oh and no one said anything about Page being better than Hendrix, trucks etc. They are all 10 levels higher than "The edge". Yeah U2 had some decent stuff, but now its ALL ABOUT BONO. and his faggy shades.
Zeppelin = Pioneers
U2 = Boy band
Posted by: MelodicMetal in MA at February 18, 2010 07:12 AM (x4S2a)
Posted by: KillTruck at February 18, 2010 07:13 AM (7M769)
White is in the movie because he and Page have sat for double interviews before (Guitar World, most recently), and they're both basically mining the same Delta Blues sound. You might find the Stripes simplistic (and they are, intentionally so), but White has great passion for what he does, and it comes through on every record.
Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at February 18, 2010 07:25 AM (V0QP1)
Jimmy Page is like Wal-Mart, the suburbs, and American Idol: Everyone hates him, except for the public.
Best rockumentary? The Kids Are Alright belongs in the top three.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at February 18, 2010 07:29 AM (uw+0A)
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at February 18, 2010 07:30 AM (uw+0A)
Oh Jeebus. Passion does not translate into great (or even good) playing. One can have all the passion in the world but it means zilch if they can't play for shit. White is a fucking joke.
Posted by: Vile Roman at February 18, 2010 07:32 AM (iBzKc)
Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy fame
Curmudgeon, you're the man. He truly is one of the most underrated singers of my (our) generation. I'd also like to add John Waite. But we're getting off on tangents here.
Anyone else truly appreciate Michael Schenker and David Gilmore as some of the best tone-guitar players in the business?
Posted by: Gunslinger at February 18, 2010 07:35 AM (Zi+FQ)
Posted by: Ashen at February 18, 2010 07:36 AM (bKHXb)
Posted by: Kerry at February 18, 2010 07:43 AM (a/VXa)
Metallica (before the black album) fucking rules
At the risk of being pummeled by the Metallica purists, The Black Album was Metallica's "Dark Side Of The Moon". It changed the band just as Dark Side changed Pink Floyd (maybe not for the better, but changed undeniably nonetheless). And yes, I was a fan of Metallica all the way from Cliff Burton days.
OK, Andrew The Noisy is right--we are geeking up the thread. "I hereby put on my robe and wizard hat..."
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 18, 2010 07:46 AM (ujg0T)
As cliche as "Stairway" is, you have to allow that it has a tasteful, well-composed, melodic lead break that millions upon millions of people can hum from memory. Perhaps excluding that song from the discussion is the only way to make your point.
By the way, you people are all assholes for talking about the greatest guitarists of all time and failing to mention the single greatest of them all: Robert Fripp.
Fripp was mentioned at least five times before that post. But most people have never heard of him, and many of the ones who are familiar with his work find it "pedantic and joyless," to borrow a phrase from Achewood. He can be interesting at times, but "greatest of them all" is quite a stretch. (And I kind of preferred Belew's lead work in King Crimson anyway.)
Posted by: Alex at February 18, 2010 07:46 AM (xQBr6)
(And I kind of preferred Belew's lead work in King Crimson anyway.)
I DO put on my robe and wizard hat! Music to play D&D by! (And that's not a put down in the slightest)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 18, 2010 07:48 AM (ujg0T)
thanks for the tip on Tilbrook's film -- Squeeze was one of those bands that could always give you three perfect pop songs per record, and on East Side Story (1981), they gave you 10. The other half of the Squeeze creative team, Chris Difford, put out a solo record last year that was very good, also. Terribly unfair that they aren't rich, but Brett Michaels is. Of course, ex-keyboardist Jools Holland is rich, being the The Man in the UK with his great Later... musical showcase on BBC2.
If you want a current band that's similar to Squeeze, I'll give you The Shout Out Louds from Sweden. Same riff-based alt-pop aesthetic, and they just put out a superb third record last week.
There are about forty bands out there now trying to be The Jam. The closest copy might be Good Shoes from England, and the best update of The Jam might be The Cribs, three brothers (plus Johnny Marr from the Smiths on the last record) from Wakefield in the north of England.
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 18, 2010 07:51 AM (EWvJ6)
Hey, I disagree with this.
Posted by: Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead at February 18, 2010 07:52 AM (GhUHn)
1.) King Crimson's best era was the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross/(Muir) era, the one period where their every live show is worth owning because were such an insanely gifted improvisational group. Every night a different experience, and the basic songs they were working with were all gems as well (check our Larks' Tongues In Aspic or Red -- whoa, nelly.)
2.) Squeeze were a fanfuckingtastic band who fell right in alongside Elvis Costello as the great British tunesmiths of the late '70s/early '80s. Everyone knows "Tempted," but it's "Black Coffee In Bed" for the win. Their first album is hilariously bad, tho' -- produced by John Cale in an attempt to present them as androgynous glam-rockers.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 18, 2010 07:56 AM (GhUHn)
Shredding guitarists may diss The Edge, and he's certainly not an expert technician, but he is probably one of the most influential guitarists in history, as he pretty much created the sound everyone used in the '80's (for better or for worse).
I like White Stripes, but not sure how Jack Black can be included with Page & Edge as far as being influential or great guitarists. Maybe to make 'the kids' notice.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at February 18, 2010 08:01 AM (+45yf)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at February 18, 2010 08:02 AM (+45yf)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at February 18, 2010 08:04 AM (+45yf)
All right you guys, rise and shine:
When the Silver Beetles played Hamburg, they opened for Johnny and the Hurricanes, just sayin.
Posted by: comatus at February 18, 2010 08:04 AM (/VEEI)
Both produced by Elvis Costello, with him on backing vocals...
A few months ago, my wife wanted a 45-minute Squeeze playlist for her workouts, and I had a hard time making cuts -- Pulling Mussels from the Shell, Black Coffee, Tempted (all of East Side Story, really), Another Nail in My Heart, Misadventure, Goodbye Girl, Up the Junction, Vicky Verky, Wrong Side of the Moon... a lot of great tunes.
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 18, 2010 08:13 AM (EWvJ6)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at February 18, 2010 08:21 AM (+45yf)
Posted by: Ashen at February 18, 2010 08:24 AM (bKHXb)
And what about If I Didn't Love You? Hourglass? That's what I mean. Try making cuts to that playlist! (Farfisa Beat sounds a bit more dated than most of Argybargy, because that Farfisa organ just sounds so much like 1980 -- great guitar riff, though).
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 18, 2010 08:29 AM (EWvJ6)
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 18, 2010 08:32 AM (EWvJ6)
What-frigging-ever, man. Arguing about rock guitar players is the dumbest slapfight imaginable. Rock music is not cultivated. It's all fucking 12-bar blues sped up with riffs and arpeggios and possibly some minor-key/modal variations. Slashing at the more raw ones because they don't play this game is sheer geekery.
This stuff is not jazz.
I hear Jack White play, I hear Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon, you name it. I hear plenty of Jimmy Page, too, and White does not pretend he doesn't owe him a great debt. There's nothing wrong with his sound, unless you resent that some kid made himself a bucketload of cash with something so simple. That's the bar-band/session-man disease, and those guys are easily the most miserable bastards on the planet.
To put in the words of the general who argued with the artillerist: "Damn the execution, sir! It's the sound we want."
Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at February 18, 2010 08:42 AM (V0QP1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 18, 2010 08:47 AM (GhUHn)
I thought I was the only one who thought that. lol
Posted by: Berserker at February 18, 2010 09:06 AM (gWHrG)
The Edge Sucks, always has and always will.
If the guitar is his voice he sings like Blaire's cousin Geri.
Although the thought of him waxing poetic on the History of Guitar might be funnier than Geri's material.
Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2010 09:07 AM (gOiiu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOVSwHjfLM&feature=related
Posted by: NYCcon at February 18, 2010 09:12 AM (jLXdE)
Rob Zombie has the best line, though. "Metal is a way of life. No one says, 'yeah, I was really into Slayer... that one summer.'"
Posted by: Phelps at February 18, 2010 09:46 AM (QhXW0)
Go watch " Our Band Could Be Your Life " , Ace.
Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2010 01:09 PM (gOiiu)
Do you mean "We Jam Econo"? The Minutemen were awesome.
Posted by: sean at February 18, 2010 10:30 AM (sHxOn)
Posted by: ziptie at February 18, 2010 11:40 AM (0135J)
Posted by: ziptie at February 18, 2010 11:42 AM (0135J)
The list of guitarists in this thread is gaping with holes.
Page gets the respect because his work is everywhere. man did a ton of studio work on some great stuff. one of his biggest pros is his knowledge of production, which rarely gets the attention it deserves. JPJ and Page in a studio is a formidable pair.
Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2010 11:52 AM (gOiiu)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 12:26 AM (nxUYP)
Admittedly, his body of work does fall short of your own, but he did pretty well with his limited skill.
Posted by: The Drizzle at February 18, 2010 12:14 PM (utBD9)
Dude, Pink Floyd 'Live at Pompeii'.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at February 18, 2010 12:39 PM (+3fAP)
I watch at least least some of this dvd every day. The solo from 'Echoes' is the first Pink Floyd solo I learned when I started playing guitar. Frigging awesome.
Posted by: The Drizzle at February 18, 2010 12:18 PM (utBD9)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 18, 2010 01:49 AM (nxUYP)
I used to hate hate hate Zeppelin and pink floyd. After spending the past 21 years playing guitar, I finally started sampling all of the 'greatest' guitartists. My take is that Page is sloppy, but wrote riffs like a mother. Clapton is smooth and technically awesome, but a ball-less no talent when it came time to write a riff or solo. To each their own, and all that. To me though, guitarist begin and ends with: Charles "Icarus" Johnson-Jazz-douche extraordinaire.
Posted by: The Drizzle at February 18, 2010 12:32 PM (utBD9)
U2 = Boy band
Posted by: MelodicMetal in MA at February 18, 2010 11:12 AM (x4S2a)
You, sir, have a keen eye for the obvious.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 18, 2010 01:34 PM (1fanL)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2010 03:22 PM (mHQ7T)
If the discussion is about rhythm guitarists and riffwriting, Malcolm Young should be a large part of the conversation. It is a shame that he usually is forgotten.
The sound he got from a '63 Gretsch Firebird stuffed with socks is unique, amazing, and timeless.
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