1 Sure it wasn't Ace

2

who does number 2 work for?

 

3 Rockefeller, he's some sort of deranged tea-bagger, right?

4 Is he up for election this year?

5 Two years! just repeal the damn thing and if you are wrong, pass another law.

6

I hate winding up on the same side of any issue with a traitor like rockefeller.

Just creeps me out.

7 Its nice to see that this complete lunacy isn't going unchallenged, but ultimately, the EPA is a puppet agency.

Whatever one President doth giveth, another can taketh away.

I'd like to see someone put their foot down and decide to refute the EPA's notion that carbon dioxide. . .ie the air that every living animal exhales. . .is a pollutant.

This is the green-religionists equivalent of the "original sin". . .merely by being ALIVE every human being is destroying the environment.

8 What is an example of "must-pass" legislation? I am just wondering, because Obama seems like the kind of guy who will dig in his heels over the prospect of losing this much power by signing a bill voluntarily. If he refuses to sign, or does a line-item veto there isn't much the GOP can do besides run against him in 2012 or de-fund the EPA.

9 the funny thing is that many of the states that would be bankrupted by the EPA or Tax and Trade are either swing states or Democratic states. Can the Democrats win elections without Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiaina, West Virginia, Colorado, and New York?

10 I guess this guy is trying to lead?  Guess he is thinking about the presidency in a big way, maybe even in 2012.  The EPA is way overstepping its bounds and GWB had already taken care of this with his "no thanks Kyoto"  Why they had to dredge it up again speaks to the power of AL Gore and the billions he is making on the Global Warming issue or as john Bachelor like to call it, "the new global warming theology".

11 I know Rockyfella is in coal country, but it still surprises me that he is taking the initiative on this. I'll drop my hate level for him from 100% to 95%.

12 Rockadollar knows he will never be able to visit West Virginia again on one of his trips from his full-time home in D.C. if he supports Cap & Tax or the Obama/EPA end run on Cap & Tax.  So he'll just have to be content with screwing the people of his carpet-bagged state with government-run healthcare.

13 Hey idiots, just defund and do away with EPA!

Tom

14 Could we move the 1st post of the day back to 3pm, I'm still sleepy.

15 Is he up for election this year?

Posted by: jeff at March 04, 2010 02:21 PM (HScbI)

No but only an idiot would be unable to see that the passage of Cap and Trade would put West Virginia back 19th century living standards.

16 Like health care, Cap and Trade is a wedge issue that Democrats have inflicted upon themselves.

It is The Precedent who is pushing these issues, and he's pushing them, specifically, because they are such wedge issues and cause as many problems within the Dem caucus and among Americans, in general.  He does it because he wants to break EVERYTHING.

My guess is that he tries to move to shamnesty, next, though there will be a great deal of problems within the dems over this (as Shrillary lost her nomination because of her support of Spitzer's licenses for illegals at that primary debate).  The Precedent likes the shamnesty, though, because he can cause tons of problems on the right, too, as McShame and Lady Lindsay and the other slimebags are happy to jump on that suicidal train with him.  In fact, they are dying to commit amnesty suicide with The Precedent.

But, people should disabuse themselves of the notion that The Precedent cares about the dems.  he doesn't.  He just wants to cause as much damage as he can before he's tossed out - and he'll keep causing more and more damage until he's tossed out.

17 15 Could we move the 1st post of the day back to 3pm, I'm still sleepy.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 04, 2010 02:26 PM (I1/U/)

Is this just a matter of Ace preparing for Daylight Savings Time?

18 >>>No but only an idiot would be unable to see that the passage of Cap and Trade would put West Virginia back 19th century living standards.

Setting them back 10 years is hardly cause for concern.

19 I can't grasp the sanity of regulating CO2 emissions until and unless someone comes up with a definitive "ideal" level of atmospheric CO2.   Instead of saying we have too much CO2 in the atmosphere and need to reduce it, how do we know we even have enough?

By the way, carbon isn't created de novo.

Any carbon that ends up in the atmosphere because of human combustion (or ordinary animal metabolism) has to come from the Earth's carbon pool.

If it ends up in the atmosphere, eventually it will get re-sequestered by ordinary (and in fact enhanced) vegetation growth on the planet as every living plant on the planet uses the carbon from the air to grow.

The Green nazis ought to be HAPPY if atmospheric CO2 levels increase since it likely means faster reforestation of the Earth's surface, greater crop yields, etc..

20

 "This legislation will issue a two-year suspension on EPA regulation of greenhouse gases from stationary sources...

It's a start, but it sounds like it would still allow EPA regulation of "greenhouse gases" from non-stationary sources- namely, automobiles.  Urban liberals would much rather see us dependent on government run public transportation.  Anything that can be done to increase dependance on government, they're for it.

21 Rockafella actually ran for President in 1988--but then nearly every Demo governor and Senator did in 88, including AlGore.  He actually gave some very intelligent speeches that went way over the heads of the Democrat activists who came to hear the speakin'.

He's a very intelligent and well-educated man, and understands political theory and the nature of politics--which makes his sorta-lefty voting record all the more shameful.  Apparently, he Grew Up Guilty surrounded by more money than Scrooge McDuck, and decided to live a life of faux-protest against what he actually is ( uber-rich, uber-privileged, etc )

22 The Green nazis ought to be HAPPY if atmospheric CO2 levels increase since it likely means faster reforestation of the Earth's surface, greater crop yields, etc..

More crops = more people, and better-nourished.  Exactly the opposite of what ecofascists want...

23 Winning the House in November may stop this commie juggernaut in its tracks.  Pelosi would be ousted from running the agenda, all spending must originate in the House, and Barry O couldn't spend us into the poorhouse without that power of the purse.  They might even arm-twist him into rolling some shit back if we get a hardcore enough bunch into leadership there.

The Senate would matter on judges, but the House can stop the expansion.

24 oh come, guys, grow up - living in tents and eating bark and running around naked (think Sarah Palin, and her gun has no ammunition...) can be fun if you just remember that it's for the good of our children, presuming any survive childhood, in which Comrade Barry and his spawn will have more room for wagyu beef cows and arugula. See? Either way the best people win.

25 Need to kill off the EPA and kill it hard like the old kung-fu guys in the movie. It needs to flop around a die a hard, hard death so that it will not come back

26 But, people should disabuse themselves of the notion that The Precedent cares about the dems.  he doesn't.  He just wants to cause as much damage as he can before he's tossed out - and he'll keep causing more and more damage until he's tossed out.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 04, 2010 02:29 PM (A46hP)

I'd like Odumbass to bring up Amnesty as soon as possible, so we can flush out people like McCain before the November elections.  Would McCain stay with his original position or would he change it for the sake of votes?

27

I posted this on the other thread but it fits better here:

From Drudge:

 Former vice president and Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore will receive an honorary doctoral degree from the University of Tennessee.

I am damn glad I am not an alumni of U.T.  I hope GA stomps the piss out of them in every sport this year.

28 O/T:  Here we go people!!!!:  "We're not sure what it's about -- though you can use your imagination -- but WSJ saysdamaged NY governor David Paterson has called an emergency meeting with staff for this afternoon at 2:30.

This comes simultaneous o Al Sharpton calling for an emergency meeting of black leaders regarding their support for the governor.

Update: And now his communications director Peter Kaufmann just quit."

29

I'd like Odumbass to bring up Amnesty as soon as possible, so we can flush out people like McCain before the November elections.  Would McCain stay with his original position or would he change it for the sake of votes?

Posted by: conscious and knows McCain is a squish at March 04, 2010 02:35 PM (Vu6sl)

McShame and Lady Lindsay were both making grumblings that they wanted to work with the administration on shamnesty.  McShame can't help himself.  The minute he got up a couple of points in the campaign (after choosing Palin) he ran off to La Raza to tell them that he was going to be pushing his shamnesty, again, as his first priority in office.

30 Rockafella actually ran for President in 1988--but then nearly every Demo governor and Senator did in 88, including AlGore.  He actually gave some very intelligent speeches that went way over the heads of the Democrat activists who came to hear the speakin'.

He's a very intelligent and well-educated man, and understands political theory and the nature of politics--which makes his sorta-lefty voting record all the more shameful.  Apparently, he Grew Up Guilty surrounded by more money than Scrooge McDuck, and decided to live a life of faux-protest against what he actually is ( uber-rich, uber-privileged, etc )

No more like he's a pragmatic power broker who sees better job security in structured society, government dependence, and identity politics rather than selling independence, personal responsibility, and equality in opportunity.

31 only an idiot would be unable to see that the passage of Cap and Trade would put West Virginia back 19th century living standards.
Posted by: Rocks

There's a fix for that. (It's in your wallet.)

32 Posted by: curious at March 04, 2010 02:38 PM (p302b)

BTW, last night on one of the threads posted a link to a Quinnipiac poll which said that 67% of NYer's don't want Paterson to step down and they don't want Cumo doing any investigations. 

33 Apparently, letting O crater the economy by controlling carbon by royal decree is making him feel a little less job security.

34 Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) has introduced a resolution of disapproval that would overturn the agency's scientific ass-extracted finding that greenhouse gases endanger public health and welfare...

Fixed.

35

Its nice to see that this complete lunacy isn't going unchallenged, but ultimately, the EPA is a puppet agency.

Actually the EPA is made up of a host of commies and "green" zealots who do not care who is president. They ran amuck on several fronts when Bush was President as well.  I mean, who in the hell wants to get out of college and go to work for the EPA?  Is it someone who wants to build things and create a better mousetrap or a Giai zealot who wants to elliminate humanity to protect the mother earth?

In the case of Rockefellor he is just trying to protect his ass for reelection. What they should be doing is elliminating the EPA. It is like a union, it has long outlived its purpose.

36 No more like he's a pragmatic power broker who sees better job security in structured society, government dependence, and identity politics rather than selling independence, personal responsibility, and equality in opportunity.


Job security for himself, you mean?

37

because there are way to many states that would have been bankrupted by it

As many as 57.

38 Anyone who has read that House Crap and Tax bill owuld know that only an insane person would vote for it. It is AWFUL and it would destroy the country within a few years.

39

Slightly o/t but somewhat relevant: just read over at GP that Katrina "victims" (the quintessential ones -- sorry, sorry, I must even though it's wrong) are either already filing or are wishing to file suit against the oil companies for contributing to greenhouse gases, which cause global warming, which cause hurricanes, which were so awfully unleashed upon them.  Anybody have the full goods on that story?

Don't ask me to link -- I'm not skilled in the ways of link fu.

40 Jay Rockefeller is an anti-science, racist, birther?

41 This could prove to be the first time Rockefeller's ever done anything useful.  I wish him success. 

42 "Congress, not the EPA, must be the ideal decision-maker...."

What a NOVEL concept.

43

Posted by: unknown jane at March 04, 2010 02:50 PM (5/yRG)

That story came out a while back. They are idiots and in a just society with real justice their lawyer would be disbarred.

44 Job security for himself, you mean?

I thought that was implied by the fact he is a politician.

45

Congress, not the EPA, must be the ideal decision-maker....

Is there a missing page on this menu?  I wanted a column C.

46 Added bonus...the House passed their Cap and Trade bill only to see the Senate walk run away from it. That's one of the factors that has created such ill will between the two houses that has held up health care.

It's almost as if Obama doesn't know what he's doing.

Maybe a few more years of seasoning in the Senate would have helped.

47

44, yeah, but which part? the suit, the "legality", or the slant of the report?

46 really? I haven't heard of it prior, but of course.

If crap and tax goes down, on top of healthscam...oh, I don't even want to think about it.

48

"By the way, carbon isn't created de novo."

Really?

49

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 02:40 PM (0q2P7)

I don't understand what you're saying.  I don't see where he's a a 'power broker'.

Rockafella doesn't need 'job security' for himself, as his seat is Bought & Paid For.  He could stand up on his Senate desk and gobble like a deranged turkey and still get serially re-elected. 

I don't know what he believes; my point was that his motivation seems to be a life-long attempt to be accepted as 'one of the people'--in the way that uber-rich tools tend to think of The People.  He's uncomfortable in his own skin, man:  He apparently wants to be Not His Father.  So he usually hides his intellect and coasts along with Lame Lefty slogans--and really, really enjoys being a Senator.

To him, that Senate seat is a way of being a powerful unaccountable Prick while posing as a Friend of the Little Guy.  He's an uber-hypocrite.....

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And he is actually representing the interests of his state in the US Senate.  No matter how he came to do that, that is appropriate.

Good for Sen. Rockefeller.

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