1 Fuck You Florida.

2 Where's the obligatory mention / picture of his hot ass wife?

3 It would appear Rubio also has a good chance at beating the leading Democratic challenger, South Florida Congressman Kendrick Meek


So you're saying that the Meek shall not inherit the earth?

4

Time to slip another C note into Rubio's tip jar.

5

I've been a big advocate of accepting less than stellar conservatives in states where that's our best chance (hello Massachusetts) but Florida clearly isn't in that category.

Yes, there really is a difference between making that argument when it's true and just making it with your hands over your ears in every case.

6

"Fuck You Florida."

 

For the past 36 years, Florida voters have determined the outcome of every presidential election. As goes Florida, as goes the majority in the rest of the country. That's the state to watch during any presidential election.

7 Let me be perfectly clear.  Rubio at a 47/44 lead is a statistical tie but global warming is an unquestionable certainty. 

8 No Meeks vote for me. I'm still pissed about that damned crop report fiasco.

9 Do the Meeks/Rubio south Florida support bases overlap and potentially nullify each other -- Leaving the more conservative north and panhandle as the battleground?

10

Rubio 2010 and then Rubio 2012.  The precedent has been set for the election of a freshman sentator.  Rubio is captivating, engaging, and represents the next generation of conservative American's. 

Although I hate identity politics, Rubio's ethnicity is a plus for a party branded as looking out for the white guy. 

I know it is a pipe dream, but I haven't seen a candidate emerge yet that I believe can defeat Obama in 2012.   

11 This is good news!

12 Jesus H. Crist!!!

13 Posted by: Guest at January 26, 2010 11:33 AM (ITzbJ)


Fuck you, troll.  Is that the best you got here?

14 If you support Crist on grounds a more conservative candidate isn't electable, the truth is you really aren't interested in electing conservatives.

Exactly.

15 California Red, your assuming he survives a primary challenge - the disenchantment on the Left is real.

16 I think that politicians (lib and conservative) are finding out that ANY connection with Obama can be hazardous to your political career.

17 Rubio has a hot wife?

Damn.  *sniff*

18 I know it is a pipe dream, but I haven't seen a candidate emerge yet that I believe can defeat Obama in 2012.  

I have.  Obama.

19 Don't panic, Charlie! I'm sending over the big tent!

20
Hate to go off topic so early in a thread but Dennis Prager has a nice column out today that shreds Charles Johnson and his ten reasons for parting ways with the right.

21 Did Ace fall down a well?

22 WHY OH WHY ARE MY TROLLS HERE SO FUCKING LAME?  CAN I GET ONE WITH AN IQ OVER FREEZING, WHO MAYBE CAN RECOGNIZE A JOKE INSTEAD OF TEEING OFF ON THAT??????

23 22 Did Ace fall down a well?

That's what Dave in Texas said.  Well, he barked it, really.

24 Damn.  *sniff*


Mizz Radish, it appearz we may be able to healp youz with your widdle problem here.

25 Did Ace fall down a well?

It's that damned fugue state, again. It'll pass.

26 I'm all for Rubio. But if he, or any other senator, wants my vote for higher office he had better get some governing or CEO experience, and not of his own charity  either. Congress does not prepare you for the White House.

27 So, I guess all this sucking up on Fox isn't helping Crist that much, eh?

( I put a little Canadian into my post, in keeping with the international favor here at AoSHQ)

28 Who is Sarah Palin supporting???

29 Meanwhile, if you are a conservative...

I like mine at about 80 degrees.  Lets the boys hang free.

30 Johnny Mac sock off.

31 3 Where's the obligatory mention / picture of his hot ass wife?

Posted by: CCooper at January 26, 2010 11:28 AM (PCN/c)

--That's news to me!

Time to go hunting before class.

32

I've been a big advocate of accepting less than stellar conservatives in states where that's our best chance (hello Massachusetts) but Florida clearly isn't in that category.

Also, South Carolina ... time for Lindsey Graham to sit down (looking ahead to 2014).

33 I just banned the entire state of Florida.

34 As a Floridian, all my friends and associates who are right-thinking are all Rubio supporters. There are a lot of independents who are thinking of changing affiliation to vote in the primary and then go for Rubio in November. But the election to watch is who gets to take out Grayson. That's the one that will make my day.

35 I just banned the entire state of Florida.

You forgot to bid them adieu.

36 It was a rational comment comment. I've yet to see a rational comment from you, you sick freak.

37 Is Ace in rehab, again?

38 That picture of the pudding is so out of focus I can't even tell the flavor. Inquiring balls want to know. Typical loose shit at AoS.

39 #33

10-4 that, too bad Sanford's little head fucked him up.  Lindsey needs to "retire".

40 The big news - Rubio beating Meeks by 9.

It'll be a lot more than that.  I'd predict Meek goes down by double digits in the 15-20 point range.

41 It was a rational comment comment. I've yet to see a rational comment from you, you sick freak.


As Axelrod pointed out above, you were commenting on a joke being offered by a sockpuppet.  How very lame, and when it comes to lame I'm an expert, man.  Now pass the roach...

42 39 That picture of the pudding is so out of focus I can't even tell the flavor. Inquiring balls want to know.

Hey, cut Drew some slack here, his hand is still shaking.  After lunch that first drink will calm him down.

43 Did Ace fall down a well?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 26, 2010 11:40 AM (ehLtp)

No. He inadvertently dipped in top secret government pudding that had been irradiated, mistaking it for Pistachio. It was developed by the Obama Administration to combat a possible uprising by ring wing fanatics. He's in a coma. He hasn't turned big and green or anything but no one really knows if he is going to be a Superhero or Villain at this point.  I think Ace wants to be a Villain though because he hates shaving. 

Ace had been warned of this but he ignored it hoping he might at least get a few inches taller.

44 That picture of the pudding is so out of focus I can't even tell the flavor. Inquiring balls want to know.


NOOOOOOO!!  We don't want to know.  If we get any more wrinkled down here we might get mistaken for a Sharpei or something.

45 Wow - Newsweek is calling Obama "fundamentally dishonest" Is the pack starting to turn on the leader? http://tinyurl.com/ychej4r

46 Will noone rid me of this meddlesome (and weak weak weak) troll?  I guess Ace doesn't rate very high yet if this is the caliber of troll they send.

47 Is the pack starting to turn on the leader?

They're deathly afraid that he'll be forced to move more towards the center, a la Bubba Clinton. He's bursting their utopian bubble.

48

But, but McCain's goes to supports cristie!!!

The answer is obvious...more money to Rubio

and JD in AZ...

49 "But the election to watch is who gets to take out Grayson. That's the one that will make my day." I'll second that. I don't know much about Florida politics. What's his district like? Is there a good chance to get rid of this barking moonbat?

50

I've been a big advocate of accepting less than stellar conservatives in states where that's our best chance (hello Massachusetts) but Florida clearly isn't in that category.

Neither, you would think, is Texas.  WTF are we doing with Perry and Hutchison in the gubernatorial race?  Don't get stuck on stupid, GOP.

This requisite Medina boost brought to you by Concerned Conservatives for Medina.

51 Will noone rid me of this meddlesome (and weak weak weak) troll?  I guess Ace doesn't rate very high yet if this is the caliber of troll they send.

My staff keeps telling me how great our trolls are, and then I come here and see Guest's pathetic shit.  PLEASE TELL ME WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY PAYING HIM FOR THAT SHIT!!!!!

52 Will noone rid me of this meddlesome (and weak weak weak) troll?


Sorry man, that's out of my area of expertise.  Check with Axelrod.

53 In honor of his Cuban heritage I will use pork flavored jello

54 To make it easy, vote for the guy or gal Frum doesn't like.

55 OK.  I'm down with the moneybomb.

Somebody set us up the Rubio bomb.  We get signal.

56 Given the current FLA Governor is having to reverse the Crist policies that were reversals of Jeb Bush's, its not too surprising that the Florida electorate has figured out that Crist is a RINO, far to the left of Scott Brown...

57 Rubio is a tea party guy. He has been to several of our rallys and spoke. He is the real deal conservative, long track record as Florida Rep and speaker of Florida's House.

RINO Crist met with Obama last week, for what it's not known. Crist is a known ACORN supporter.

58 Permission to count my stapler as a member of the Forum?

59 Les types désolés, mes moutons préférés sont morts cette semaine et j'ai été hors de lui.  Elle était toujours si avec plaisir quand j'ai sorti avec les hautes bottes et les gants en caoutchouc.

60

Will there be chads?

61 "Ace doesn't rate very high " -- we have numbers, the snark, the ONT, and the guns, what more does it take to get on Axelrod's shit list.

62 In honor of his Cuban heritage I will use pork flavored jello

Posted by: Ben at January 26, 2010 11:58 AM (wuv1c)

You've been fooled, that's just clarified pork fat. Watch out or you'll end up deep fried.

63 No Meeks vote for me. I'm still pissed about that damned crop report fiasco.

That's the first thing that popped into my head, too.  B+

64 Damn, I just can't catch a break.

65 No. He inadvertently dipped in top secret government pudding that had been irradiated, mistaking it for Pistachio.

And now he has turned from mild-mannered Ewok to Pudding Man.  He now has all the amazing powers of pudding.

66 "What's his district like? Is there a good chance to get rid of this barking moonbat?" -- Run Tebow.

67 When I start hearing talk about real conservatives, it makes me uneasy. 

I fear the ascension of social authoritarians.  People whose efforts at social engineering are every bit as rampant, and almost as noxious, as anything the left does.  Dana Carvey's Church Lady is a parody of such people, but they are no joke.  Whiny, holier-than-thou busybodies are a waste of space.  I had the misfortune of having to grow up amongst them in middle Tennessee.  I've since moved to Arizona, with its culture of rugged individuality, and I'm much happier. 

As the Democrats implode, they lose their ability to act as a check on the ambitions of social authoritarians, and that is a problem.  The precise reason why the political pendulum keeps swinging is because of the abuses and excesses that each party brings with it anytime it gets too much power. 

Right now the American people are finding out what it feels like when the communist wing of the Democratic party gets to push its evil policies because there aren't enough Republicans and honest Democrats to keep them quiet.  If things go TOO far the other way in November and 2012, then the American people will find out what it feels like to have the ideological successors to the temperance movement interfering in their personal lives.

I prefer to avoid both personally.

Give me a candidate who is fiscally conservative, and socially libertarian, and I'll vote for them every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Give me a nominally conservative candidate who is chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to tell other people how to live, and I'll vote for the 3rd party candidate every time. 

My liberty is not for sale.

68 I'll second that. I don't know much about Florida politics. What's his district like? Is there a good chance to get rid of this barking moonbat?

No.  By that I mean yes.  Yes in that he could lose, but it is very  unlikely.  However, I'd slather myself in butterscotch pudding to tune into progressives pulling out all the stops to "save the Congressman with guts".

Grayson can self fund.  The trial lawyers won't abandon him.

69

Meek inherited his seat from his mom.  I think she announced her retirement late so that her son was the only one aware and in a position to run for her seat.  I think Rubio will crush him.

 

Can anybody post here using the new Firefox 3.6?  I have to use IE <blechh>.

70

Jeeeez CHRIST #60

Get spell check! NOW!

71 Permission to count my stapler as a member of the Forum?


Only if your stapler is smarter than our liberal trolls.  Is it red by any chance?

72

18 Rubio has a hot wife?

Damn.  *sniff*

You should just forget him Miss Radish.  Now, I know this guy, lives in the Shire.  Not too awful bad looking,  has a great heart and is a true conservative.  Slips on a tin foil hat once in a while but maybe you can cure that.  Goes by the nickname of teej once in a while.  Let me know.

73

"I know it is a pipe dream, but I haven't seen a candidate emerge yet that I believe can defeat Obama in 2012."

 

A candidate will emerge. You can count on it.  I suspect that even many of those 52%ers realize by now that Obama is an empty suit. Rosiland Carter likes him, though. He makes her husband look almost competent.

74

But, but McCain's goes to supports cristie!!!

I'm having a problem with Palin supporting McCain. WTF?

75 IreneFingIrene: I am using Firefox 3.6 without any hitches.

Maybe it's an addon that isn't fully compatible with 3.6?

76 <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002364/">Ru-bi-Ooooooooooo!</a>

77 Get spell check! NOW!

That's not mis-spelled.  That's French.  The language of pussies.

78 I fear the ascension of social authoritarians.

Yes, those people are awful, now PUT OUT THAT CIGARETTE and stop driving that awful SUV and replace that high-flow toilet and we'll be back later because we don't like how you're raising those kids of "yours."

79 Give me a nominally conservative candidate who is chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to tell other people how to live, and I'll vote for the 3rd party candidate every time. 

Those damned church lady Christianists! They're out to spoil our debauchery!

80

@79: FU htmlz

 

81 #81

Like I said before, they're ALMOST as noxious as the left.

82 I'll second that. I don't know much about Florida politics. What's his district like? Is there a good chance to get rid of this barking moonbat?

Grayson is in a R+2 registration district.  Seems to me he could lose this year, especially with Rubio on an upper ticket.

83 What's his district like? Is there a good chance to get rid of this barking moonbat?

Orlando area.  There's a big chunk of metro Orlando in there which would be strong for him, the rest of the district not so much.  

Looking at the map, Grayson's district is very clearly one of those that was gerrymandered to provide a slim 10 point or so margin to the democrat under normal circumstances.  Its definitely not a district gerrymandered with an unbeatable democrat advantage to protect congressional "royalty" like Pelosi

With circumstances being anything other than normal these days, I'd have to say that district could be very much in play if the Republicans put up a credible candidate.

84 Like I said before, they're ALMOST as noxious as the left.

Uh, that was sarcasm...

85 Like I said before, they're ALMOST as noxious as the left.

Yeah, but it's like being afraid of those awful Zoroastrians.  You're fearing a caricature .

86

60 Les types désolés, mes moutons préférés sont morts cette semaine et j'ai été hors de lui.  Elle était toujours si avec plaisir quand j'ai sorti avec les hautes bottes et les gants en caoutchouc.

No thats some funny shit...I think.

87

@77 - I'm having a problem with Palin supporting McCain. WTF?

That's kind of bothering me too.  I have to wonder if she feels like she "owes him one".  And hopefully only one.  I would much prefer to see her get behind an actual conservative. 

88 No, I'm fearing the very kind of people I GREW UP AMONGST.

It only sounds like a caricature until you see it for yourself.

89 You know, Jell-O isn't the only pudding makers in the world.

90 WTFCI:

I see the problem.  It's just that the cursor is invisible, but I can post.  I googled it.  Other people are having the same problem.  Wierd.

91 Hey Lee, can you give us an example of a "fiscally conservative, and socially libertarian" politician? It seems everytime we elect one of those they turn out to be squishes on spending. Maybe the lack of faith and conviction in their personal lives is an indicator of the faith we can put in them to politically remain true fiscal conservatives. How about we elect fiscal conservatives, of good faith and character, who desire a limited government, under a strictly interpreted constitution?

92 That's French.  The language of pussies.

Rare photo of 1940's tour de france.

http://tiny.cc/TfKVa

93

Looking at the map, Grayson's district is very clearly one of those that was gerrymandered to provide a slim 10 point or so margin to the democrat under normal circumstances.  Its definitely not a district gerrymandered with an unbeatable democrat advantage to protect congressional "royalty" like Pelosi

B'jeezers I get blamed for everything, WTF!!

This PC B.S. has got to go, Afro Engineering ain't no angel either ya know!

 

94 I have to wonder if she feels like she "owes him one".

The unfortunate thing about politics is that the "coattails" syndrome is endemic. McCain still wields a lot of power within the "old boys network" in Washington. Republicans seeking advancement have been forced to associate with him.

95 Wow.  Khloe Kardashian really was hosted at the White House?

That shit is real.

The Hollywood "save the Unicorn King" gambit is going to have to pull out all the stops.  I'll guess Celebrity Big Brother's next season will be hosting the cast at the White House.

96

No, I'm fearing the very kind of people I GREW UP AMONGST.

It only sounds like a caricature until you see it for yourself.

The likelihood of social conservatives gaining a strong majority AND passing social legislation as opposed to undoing liberal social legislation is extremely low.

97 Wow.  Khloe Kardashian really was hosted at the White House?

Who in the hell are these Kardashians? What is their societal contribution, and why won't they just go the fu*k away?

98 You know, Jell-O isn't the only pudding makers in the world.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at January 26, 2010 12:14 PM (+gX1+)

We don't want any commie foreign pudding. Jell-O or home made.

The morons stick with Jell-O because they kept forgetting to let the homemade cool, that hurts.

I know what you are thinking....instant pudding. Get behind me Satan!

99 then you can have a liberal telling you how to eat, what to drive, what to wear and what to look at on the internet.

How is that worse than a Mike Huckabee telling you what you can eat, what you can drive, what you can wear, and what you can look at on the internet? 

100 #94 That JELL-O is sugar free. That to me is a RINO jello. It's almost like finding a real Republican Conservative, the real deal. I want real sugar in my JELL-O.  Do you know how hard it is to find real JELL-O?

101

I'm having a problem with Palin supporting McCain.

As long as she doesn't support support him, I'm okay with it. Token appearance, say a couple nice things about him and then stay out of it.

Now if she were to do more, or say something bad about other candidates, that wouldn't be good.

102

Sorry for OT, if you really want to get your blood pressure WAY up there, check out the headline on BreitbarTV (don't know how to link with tinyurl stuff):

Obama Blames Congress: ‘I Didn’t Make a Bunch of Deals’ to Pass Health Reform

103 Who in the hell are these Kardashians? What is their societal contribution, and why won't they just go the fu*k away?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 26, 2010 12:20 PM (554T5)

It's amazing how far filming something going in your ass will take you.

104 #80 How come 79 can use spell check but 60 gets a pass...what are you? a Commie!!!

105 Give me a nominally conservative candidate who is chomping at the bit to use the power of the state to tell other people how to live, and I'll vote for the 3rd party candidate every time.

Ditto

106 I'd prefer that Palin just keep the tea-party meme going strong about independent thought.

107 @ 89

You paint a false dilemma.

The truth is that by giving voice to my wishes, and voting accordingly, I'll have a Republican party that will be more responsive to those wishes, and less beholden to social authoritarians. 

When pandering to those fucktards costs the party electorally, they'll stop doing it. 

Right now that isn't a problem, but it may soon become one.  I'm keeping my eye on the candidates.  If my bullshit-sense starts tingling, you can rest assured I'll call shenanigans on them.  I have no intention of trading one flavor of tyranny for another.

108 Who in the hell are these Kardashians?

The occupy Bajor and have been at war with the Federation for some time now.

^_What?

109

92 No, I'm fearing the very kind of people I GREW UP AMONGST.

Fine, then don't vote for your relatives.  But for God's sake, don't feed into the leftist narrative of right-wing Christianist Bible-freaks.  They wish to smear ALL of us, the libertarian-minded included, with this broad brush in order to discredit all of us.

110 That JELL-O is sugar free. That to me is a RINO jello. It's almost like finding a real Republican Conservative, the real deal. I want real sugar in my JELL-O.  Do you know how hard it is to find real JELL-O?

Posted by: mystry at January 26, 2010 12:21 PM (kmgIE)

Even worse it's vanilla. It was a last minute run to a 7-11. They had to take what was there. 

111 @ 105

Exactly.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

The bullshit stinks just as bad, the only difference is the color.

I'd forgotten all about Huckabee, he's the perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about.  Fred Thompson called him a Christian Socialist. 

112

"It was a rational comment comment. I've yet to see a rational comment from you, you sick freak."

By the way, you might want to take note:  That's "sick, twisted, freak" to you, and some of us wear the phrase as a badge of honor.

113 Lee @ 113, you're getting pretty close to concern-trolling here.

114 Who in the hell are these Kardashians? What is their societal contribution, and why won't they just go the fu*k away?

That explanation needs an ace rant.  I can only give you the black and white story.

115 5

Time to slip another C note into Rubio's tip jar.

Would rather slip it into his briefs, but I'll settle for his tip jar.

116

"The occupy Bajor and have been at war with the Federation for some time now."

FIRE THE FLESH-ORBS!

117

Isn't it time for David Frum to quietly recede into the woodwork, never to be heard from again? I mean for a guy who claims to know know all the "smart moves" that Republicans should make, its odd that he's proven wrong time and again, yet he keeps coming back with more of his boring pretentiousness.

Seriously, Republicans would be well served to listen to his advice and do the exact opposite.

On another subject, what happened to Michael Steele?

118

Speaking of Breitbart, I just heard him on the radio telling Mike Church that he has some big time bombshells planned for this year, imparticular in October!

Hunker down, git your popcorn ready and enjoy.

 

 

   

119

@116: Vanilla pudding is delicious. I love eating it.  (ohwait)

120

On another subject, what happened to Michael Steele?

SHHHHH keep quiet - maybe if we don't mention him anymore, he will vanish for good

121

Fine, then don't vote for your relatives.  But for God's sake, don't feed into the leftist narrative of right-wing Christianist Bible-freaks.  They wish to smear ALL of us, the libertarian-minded included, with this broad brush in order to discredit all of us.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2010 12:25 PM (pTyL2)

I'm always amazed by 'conservatives' or libertarians that fear social conservatives. Looking at the socon agenda:

1) Break up the government school monopoly - generally suggested via a voucher system

2) Get the Supreme Court out of the business of legislating

3) Stop the expansion of hate crime laws to behavioral groups

I'm not sure what the issue is. Seriously, what libertarian would oppose those?

122

Gov Palin has to support turd from AZ, its the honorable thing to do. However she promised to support only conservatives so I don't see her exceeding other rinos.

If the turd from AZ gets zipped the rino establishment are finished and the young Turks will steer the GOP.

The above was written without speel chech...

123 On another subject, what happened to Michael Steele?

You actually have to pay for the answer to that question.

124 On another subject, what happened to Michael Steele?


Steele appears to be doing the best thing he can do right now, which is to keep his fool yap shut.  Or perhaps bringing Ed Gillespie back is the start of a move to marginalize him, by having people who are actually competent do his work for him.

125 #99 SOAP.. You are right.  Remember when McCain came up with thar gand of 14 Senators to train wreck Bush. I wonder how many of the 14 are left.  The people in Ohio threw out Mike DeWine. He just went down again in "08.

126 @93 - hate it when I forget to 'puppet off'.  Maybe she didn't notice.

127

@96 - Posted by: Jean at January 26, 2010 12:16 PM (IcVGZ) -

Have you been reading my stuff?

John Jay

128 "I know it is a pipe dream, but I haven't seen a candidate emerge yet that I believe can defeat Obama in 2012."

My current thinking is Pence.  We'll see.  Subject to easy change.

129

I'm not sure what the issue is. Seriously, what libertarian would oppose those?

IMO it's either the hard-core atheist Objectivist types, or it's the hip cool kids who generally support the Democrats' social agenda but don't want to bust the budget, so they call themselves "libertarian" to reflect this.

130 Who in the hell are these Kardashians? What is their societal contribution, and why won't they just go the fu*k away?


Lacey Underalls had the best theory, that they are aliens from the planet Plastisurgia.  Clearly their 15 minutes aren't up yet.

131

OT - re:  Palin's various endorsements.  I'm a little bothered with Sarah Palin endorsing incumbent Rick Perry here in TX.

There might be a little "back-scratching" going on there, or perhaps just some sort of professional courtesy amongst the Order of Governors, but I don't like it.  From an ideological standpoint, I think she would find that Deborah Medina is significantly more conservative than Perry.  Or Kay-Bee, for that matter.

132 Doesn't Palin's support of McCain get a perceived notion that she supports all those who McCain endorses?

133

I'd forgotten all about Huckabee, he's the perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about. 

You are in much more danger from his liberal policy of releasing violent felons than from any possible socially conservative policy he might come up with.

134 18-1 @ 127,

You omitted the very things that distinguish the socon agenda from the libertarian.

135 Who in the hell are these Kardashians? What is their societal contribution, and why won't they just go the fu*k away? That explanation needs an ace rant. I can only give you the black and white story. The rant needs to be accompanied by a lengthy pictorial.

136 @100

Oh yes, I'm a moby. 

You got me!! 

Drats, foiled again!

@ 96

Someone who claims to be fiscally conservative and then turns around and increases spending isn't a fiscal conservative in the first place and should be removed from office.

Socially libertarian does NOT mean morally questionable.  It means someone who recognizes that the legitimate power and authority of the state is LIMITED.  Trying to use the power of the state to regulate the private lives of citizens is a violation of their rights.  It doesn't matter whether it is some leftist trying to rob from the productive to pay off the useless, or a social authoritarian trying to regulate "obscenity" on the internet (for the chiillllldrennnn of course).  Both are examples of evil and tyranny.

137 hate it when I forget to 'puppet off'.  Maybe she didn't notice.


I could be wrong, but I think Radish already has a bf.  Perhaps you could convince her that you would be an upgrade.  Possessing Marco Rubio hotness, possibly...

138 I've been thinking about the Palin endorsement of McCain for a couple of days. In fact, I had a discussion about it last night with my wife. She's of the opnion that Palin should keep inthe public eye and learn the ropes of national politics before considering a run for higher office. Additionally, she opined that Palin had no idea that she was going to be such a huge target of the left hate machine and that the McCain campaign picked her because she is a conservatve woman. Unfortunately, she concluded, the campaign wouldn't let her use those strengths, effectively muzzling her. The fact that she went along with it is proof, in Mrs. Outlaw's eyes that she is so far a political neophyte and not yet ready for the big time. The fact that she's making nice with McCain is evidence of her political maturation. She doesn't have to adopt his policies but she will have to rub the right elbows in order to have a politcal future on the national level.

139

Lee, the reform / real-conservative movement is entirely fiscal this year. Only frauds like Perry and Huckabee are waving their Bibles around, and they're doing that because everyone knows they're weak on economics.

For Hoffman, Brown, and Christie the whole "social-conservative" thing didn't even turn up; Brown went so far as to declare that he "believes in evolution". Someone told me that McConnell had written some kind of thesis, but even he didn't make it part of his platform.

Lee, you may have had a point in 2004 and 2005 but this is 2010.

140 Speaking of gerrymandered seats, Who is tracking the State level races for Governor and Legislatures? With the 2010 census being implemented, the composition of those races is critical to the next decade.

141 IMO it's either the hard-core atheist Objectivist types, or it's the hip cool kids who generally support the Democrats' social agenda but don't want to bust the budget, so they call themselves "libertarian" to reflect this.

I think the hip cool kids don't have much of an issue with busting the budget either. Libertarian just sounds a little cooler that socialist. Overall, the LP's effort to focus on college kids whose primary concern is legalizing pot has backfired in a big way for libertarianism as a whole.

I often run into young 'libertarians' who can give a good rant about how the government has no right to control what you smoke followed by how the government needs to control what you drive, eat, and do to save the earth.

I think the more fundamental issue is that liberals *hate* socons so it becomes much easier to play along with their strawman of what the social right stands for. Give socons a working majority in the government and you will get a more libertarian agenda then what we have now...

142 You omitted the very things that distinguish the socon agenda from the libertarian.

Oh yes, the true hard-core libertarians are all for abortion-on-demand, child porn, and drugs on every street corner.  Things much of society, not just the SoCons, oppose.

143 Well, it's a good thing that I'm not running, Mortimer.

144 You know, Jell-O isn't the only pudding makers in the world.
Posted by: Tom in Korea

True. There's always F-Cup Pudding from Japan.
...and yes, they mean that kind of F-cup.

145 126

On another subject, what happened to Michael Steele?

SHHHHH keep quiet - maybe if we don't mention him anymore, he will vanish for good

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2010 12:28 PM (pTyL2)

Tru-dat...I think the Rino fuckwads in the GOP are beginning to understand that we know what we want. Based on Ma, NJ & VA and apparently so in FL  the efforts of folks on the interwebs, tea party talk radio etc. have clearly done a much better job than those monthly news letters from Steele(I use them as kindling)   Is the RNC even neccesarry anymore? May be as a forum for the exchange of ideas but thats about it. 

 

146 I don't like the way Obie stands at the teleprompter, it reminds me of the time I had to stand in the toy store window next to Ken for 6 months.. .talk about a bad deal...Ken is a litlle light on the "junk" if you know what I mean...

147

I could be wrong, but I think Radish already has a bf.  Perhaps you could convince her that you would be an upgrade.  Possessing Marco Rubio hotness, possibly...

Hell, I'm not even good looking in my dreams.

148 You omitted the very things that distinguish the socon agenda from the libertarian.

Posted by: arhooley at January 26, 2010 12:38 PM (C5ZSk)

Such as...?

149

103 Wow.  Khloe Kardashian really was hosted at the White House?

 

Her sister Kim had a very nice spread in Playboy.

150 Hell, I'm not even good looking in my dreams.


Are you perhaps a multi-millionaire with your own private jet?  I'm trying to help you out here, man.

151

As for Palin, I'm not surprised she's backing Perry. They're both outspoken creationists, and not very bright.

Halfsigma had her pegged last November (link on my name). Her IQ probably isn't 100 like he said, but it's no higher than 115.

152 152 I don't like the way Obie stands at the teleprompter, it reminds me of the time I had to stand in the toy store window next to Ken for 6 months..
.talk about a bad deal...Ken is a litlle light on the "junk" if you know what I mean...

Posted by: Barbie, the doll?woman at January 26, 2010 12:44 PM (Ki7fm)

Light in the junk? Funny to hear that coming from a woman that's only half anatomically correct.... 

153 Socially libertarian does NOT mean morally questionable.  It means someone who recognizes that the legitimate power and authority of the state is LIMITED.

Posted by: Lee at January 26, 2010 12:38 PM (8cnnJ)

It depends actually. Out of people that identify as libertarian a large number are actually dopitarian/liberalitarian thanks to the failures of the LP. But there certainly are real libertarians out there. And those people are worried about the National Socialists currently running the not Sarah Palin.

154

1) Break up the government school monopoly - generally suggested via a voucher system

2) Get the Supreme Court out of the business of legislating

3) Stop the expansion of hate crime laws to behavioral groups
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18-1, these are all on the libertarian agenda, so it's total bunk to ask "What could libertarians possibly object to from the socons?" Keep thinking, you'll come up with it.

155 Lee, it is simple, please identify a fiscal conservative, social libertarian politician from the last 30 years or so, who didn't lose their fiscal compass once they were ensconced like a tick in Washington? You are saying this is who we should vote for -- put a face to one. I would wager the threat to your personal liberties is far greater from big spending, big taxing, do-good liberals. What "social conservative" issue bothers you - no drugs, no killing babies, guns, hate for the NEA, something else?

156

@127 I'm always amazed by 'conservatives' or libertarians that fear social conservatives.

Methinks he's referring to things like pr0n, titty bars, alcohol, gambling, and weed.

157

Her sister Kim had a very nice spread in Playboy.

Posted by: TC at January 26, 2010 12:46 PM (DYJjQ)

I see what you did there...

158 18-1, these are all on the libertarian agenda, so it's total bunk to ask "What could libertarians possibly object to from the socons?" Keep thinking, you'll come up with it.

Posted by: arhooley at January 26, 2010 12:48 PM (C5ZSk)

So...you can't actually come up with anything else huh? Well, let me know if you do.

159 please identify a fiscal conservative, social libertarian politician from the last 30 years or so, who didn't lose their fiscal compass once they were ensconced like a tick in Washington?
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Oh, so the solibs are the only conservatives who do this? Ever hear of George W. Bush?

160 I keep telling you, 18-1, those items are all on the libertarian agenda and solib fisconservatives have no objection to them.

161 The big news - Rubio beating Meeks by 9.

It'll be a lot more than that.  I'd predict Meek goes down by double digits in the 15-20 point range.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 26, 2010 11:46 AM (ffbXx)

You're right! Meek is a total imbecile. As soon as the general election starts and people get to see him talk, he's going down big time. The only elected leaders in Florida who are worse than Meek right now are Teacups Grayson and Corrine Brown.

162 Hatchet is in his own littele world. That loony just babbles away incoherently,  having a conversation with the voices that he hears in his head. Kinda like Chemjeff, except that when that schizophrenic loopy loony's split personality speaks in French, his other split personalities can't understand what he is saying.   

163 168  Both lame and incoherent.  I think you would be a fascinating one to have on the couch.  Do you perhaps suffer some unresolved lust for your crack-whore mother?

164 Marco is my man. Donated to him twice already and feel another one comin' on! Go MARCO!

165 Her IQ probably isn't 100 like he said, but it's no higher than 115.

JFK's IQ was around 117-119. 

Nixon was genius grade in the 140's

166 What exactly will a social-con be able to do anyways?  Ban dancing and rock and roll music?

167 Oh, so the solibs are the only conservatives who do this? Ever hear of George W. Bush?

Posted by: arhooley at January 26, 2010 12:52 PM (C5ZSk)

Actually, Bush is an interesting case in point. He actually stuck with what he said he was going to do - most of us (certainly I did) just presumed that 'compassionate conservatism' crap was pure electioneering. In the end though, what were the alternatives? McCain? Gore? 

The problem that we all need to face front and certain is the damage that the LP types did to the libertarian brand. It looks like Obama's overreach might have reminded people why they hate big government again, but from the late 90s to late 00s the majority of the populace saw 'economic conservatism' in a negative light. "Those crazy people want to get rid of meat inspectors and let big business piss in our corn flakes!"

I've argued for years that libertarians should dump their current party model (and in fairness many have been trying to dump the LP) and find individuals that will advance their agenda to support. It looks like the 'Tea Party movement' might be sort of doing that, ironically fused with social conservatives doing the same thing...

But overall the point is good - RINOs and 'socially moderate' Republicans are invariably the first ones to stab conservatives in the back when it is in their immediate interests - look at Specter or Chaffee.

168 pr0n, titty bars, alcohol, gambling, and weed.

It wasn't libertarians agitating for the regulation of the internet in the 1990s by the government to keep adults from seeing boobies because children might see them, too.  (It's kind of a stretch to think of Bill Clinton, who signed the legislation into law, as socially-conservative, but it was 1996 and he was taking orders from Congress.)

Think also of No Child Left Behind and Bush's "faith-based initiatives".  Good principles, but ended up costing billions of dollars of government spending and oversight.

169 keep telling you, 18-1, those items are all on the libertarian agenda and solib fisconservatives have no objection to them.

Posted by: arhooley at January 26, 2010 12:54 PM (C5ZSk)

And those are exactly what you would get from a federal government made up of socons. So...why do you have an issue with them?

170 Jean, you're a breath of fresh air on this website.

171 I'm sick of the Kardashians too.  Only in this reality can a no-talent morally vacuous plastic faced two-bit fat-assed whorish whory whorebag charge $10,000 per tweet for no other reason than because she is followed by legions of horny beta males and mini-whore wannabes.

The fact that she, Ashton Kutcher, Oprah, Obama, etc are the top followed people on Twitter is reason alone to bomb all the Twitter servers out of existence.

172 arhooey - I don't consider the Bush family social conservatives, they courted the social conservative vote - but he ran as a "compassionate conservative." The solution is to elect fiscal conservatives at the Federal level who understand the Constitution and leave the social issues to the States. If you don't like your Tennessee relatives telling you not to smoke weed on Sunday -- move.

173 Rubio's Wife: http://tinyurl.com/yjwsa6y Wowzers!

174 If you don't like your Tennessee relatives telling you not to smoke weed on Sunday -- move.

Posted by: Jean at January 26, 2010 01:05 PM (tTdaQ)

Federalism - the solution to almost every public issue we face in America today.

175 178 arhooey - I don't consider the Bush family social conservatives, they courted the social conservative vote - but he ran as a "compassionate conservative." The solution is to elect fiscal conservatives at the Federal level who understand the Constitution and leave the social issues to the States. If you don't like your Tennessee relatives telling you not to smoke weed on Sunday -- move.

Posted by: Jean at January 26, 2010 01:05 PM (tTdaQ)

+ 1000!!

I lean libertarian federally but am much more socon at the local level. The biggest problem I have with the LP is that they flirt way too much with the conspiracy types for my taste. And the LP's foreign policy sure looks a lot like everything is the fault of the US and we should just back ourselves into a nice little isolationist bubble and pretend all other countries don't exist. Way too naive for this day and age, IMO.

176

Federalism - the solution to almost every public issue we face in America today.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 26, 2010 01:09 PM (7BU4a)

Exactly.

177 The solution is to elect fiscal conservatives at the Federal level who understand the Constitution and leave the social issues to the States.
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Sounds distinctly libertarian to me, and totally agreeable.

18-1, let's flip this around. If we agree that your list is also libertarian, then tell me what you have against them?

178 179  Oooohh la la!!

179 #174  Heather Radish.... Bullseye.  Leave No Child Behind was sponsored by none other than Ted Kennedy. Bush should have know that bad things were going to happen. Of all these billions of dollars spent, most went to the Teachers Union.  Now, how did that help anything! All money, no results!

180

It wasn't libertarians agitating for the regulation of the internet in the 1990s by the government to keep adults from seeing boobies because children might see them, too.  (It's kind of a stretch to think of Bill Clinton, who signed the legislation into law, as socially-conservative, but it was 1996 and he was taking orders from Congress.)

Think also of No Child Left Behind and Bush's "faith-based initiatives".  Good principles, but ended up costing billions of dollars of government spending and oversight.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 26, 2010 01:03 PM (mR7mk)

I know that, I was referring to what I assume Lee's problem is with social conservatives. Having also grown up in middle Tennessee, I figure his issues likely derive from people who don't want legalized gambling, who create various local ordinances that are designed to make it impossible to operate strip joints or adult stores, and who want dry counties. And don't forget the weed. None of those should be federal issues and I really don't see too many people running for federal office on this stuff.

The last time I remember some federal uproar about the social conservative agenda had to do with internet gambling, and I am still not convinced that there wasn't some other ulterior motive involved, namely, preserving a cottage industry for Nevada and the various states with off-shore casinos along with the ability to easily dodge income taxes on winnings.

181 (Peering down glasses perched on the end of nose)  Jello Pudding Cups?   (Sniff!)  Never heard  of them!  Probably a subject best left to the bloggers.

182 156 Hell, I'm not even good looking in my dreams.


Are you perhaps a multi-millionaire with your own private jet?  I'm trying to help you out here, man.

 

Dude!  This is the innertubes!  You can be as handsome, smart, and wealthy as you want to be--the beauty of the virtual world!  The world is your oyster!  Oh, and just a couple more days til your surgery, huh?

183

I'm with Lee -- I really have no desire to have the Mike Huckabee's of the world running the show, or the Pat Buchanan's.  They are almost as obnoxious as the far left imho.  No thanks.  Yes, they do exist and there are people out there who are very supportive of them. Huckabee, Paul, and Buchanan had/have a pretty staunch following in my neck of the woods, and if you only spoke to the folks who are their fan club it would make you think Republicans are of every bad thing the Dems accuse them (which has been quite artfully manipulated by the media and academia).

I suppose Sarah Palin comes pretty close to a fiscal conservative/social libertarian, at least in my idea of what that means.  She really doesn't force her morals/ideals upon people and has not had an administrative history of doing it either.  She was, above all else, very pragmatic and upholding of personal freedoms, rights, and responsiblities in her administrative tenure.  That may be the thing I like most about her.

 

184 ( I put a little Canadian into my post, in keeping with the international favor here at AoSHQ)

Iceback scandi-lover.

185 Call Cornyn...tell him and Steele to get off the Crist wagon....

Money bomb for Rubio in Feb.

Palin supports Rubio.....

186 I guess going to all those TeaParty events is starting to pay off for Rubio... who'd uh thunk it.   Not tangerine man... 

187

Heh!  From Hotair:  (If this doesn't motivate you to send some money to Rubio, I don't know what will!)

"Gov. Charlie Crist, who has been taking a steady pounding for his "man hug" with President Obama in Fort Myers last February, says he may be with the president again at the University of Tampa Thursday when the president may announce a major award of high-speed rail money for Florida -- money that state officials say will create thousands of new jobs."

 

188

Heh!  From Hotair:  (If this doesn't motivate you to send some money to Rubio, I don't know what will!)

"Gov. Charlie Crist, who has been taking a steady pounding for his "man hug" with President Obama in Fort Myers last February, says he may be with the president again at the University of Tampa Thursday when the president may announce a major award of high-speed rail money for Florida -- money that state officials say will create thousands of new jobs."

 

Posted by: runningrn at January 26, 2010 02:00 PM (CfmlF)

Ugh! Not the high-speed rail thing. That is such a bust. It was originally supposed to go from the Daytona area all the way down the I-4 corridor to Tampa. Which, frankly, kinda stinks. If we have to have it, I think we would be better served going from Jacksonville to Miami, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, it went from that plan to basically being transit from downtown Orlando to Disney. in other words, it's for the tourists, and it's going to costs billions.

The other really stinky part is apparently the strings that come with the money mean that the state can only hire union people to do the job. Double ugh. It'll never get done and likely cost much more than projected, which we'll end up footing the bill for of course. It's a boondoggle if I ever saw one.

189 I got a message from her admin that my boss couldn't be on a conference call recently because she was in a meeting with Governor Crist.  I told her to tell him to enjoy his retirement!

190

18-1 173, yes, Gore. We should have voted Gore in 2000.

Knowing what we know now, we'd have shaken out the hippy-ness by 2002, any economic problems would have been blamed on the CRA and not on "compassionate conservatism", and Jeb Bush (much smarter and with better conservative instinct than George) would have been President in 2004 and, presumably, today.

Contesting Florida in 2000 was the biggest mistake the Republicans have made since 1876.

191

Ugh! Not the high-speed rail thing. That is such a bust. It was originally supposed to go from the Daytona area all the way down the I-4 corridor to Tampa. Which, frankly, kinda stinks. If we have to have it, I think we would be better served going from Jacksonville to Miami, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, it went from that plan to basically being transit from downtown Orlando to Disney. in other words, it's for the tourists, and it's going to costs billions.

I don't understand why people can't see the stupidity in this idea. What is the supposed benefit to building this rail system? For the record, we were down there last year and did go from Orlando to Tampa for one day, but that's because our package had one day at Busch Gardens included. Other than that, we would not even have considered going to Tampa. We drove, it took us less than an hour and a half on the road, we went directly from our hotel to Busch Gardens, and it didn't cost much extra in gas. Taking a train would take at least as long when you factor in your time at the station and the time spent traveling from the station to your destination, plus the cost of the train tickets, and you don't have the convenience of being able to leave whenever you want. How many Orlando tourists even go to Tampa now, and why would anyone think that a train would increase that number enough to justify the contruction and maintenance costs?

This thing will be as successful as the Springfield Monorail.

192 You fucking fools. I know I don't stand a chance against Rubio in the primaries. I also know that Meek doesn't stand a chance against either Marco or I. Therefore, the Democrat Party will have no problem with my switching parties and running as their candidate. I know damn well that they'll like their chances alot more with my name on the ballot.

193 Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 26, 2010 02:55 PM (sXLx/)

It's not even going that far anymore. It's only going from downtown Orlando to the attractions (I Drive, Disney, Universal, etc). And Crist is getting billions for it. Like I said, it's a boondoggle. But Crist and his people are trying to spin it into some big jobs program.

194

Rubio 2010 and then Rubio 2012.  The precedent has been set for the election of a freshman sentator.

Precedent has also been set that such experience isn't enough for said President to be any good at the job, so I don't think that floats.

On a separate note: Sugar Free pudding isn't as sticky as the regular kind.

195

It's not even going that far anymore. It's only going from downtown Orlando to the attractions (I Drive, Disney, Universal, etc). And Crist is getting billions for it. Like I said, it's a boondoggle. But Crist and his people are trying to spin it into some big jobs program.

Ugh. Galactically stupid. As a tourist I can say that if we travel to Orlando it's not because we are interested in anything downtown. I doubt that most tourists are either, and if they really are, then they can drive there or get a cab.

This really wouldn't anger me except that it's going to be paid for by federal money. If they really want this train, let the city and county pay for it themselves.

196

I like Marco Rubio, but he isn't saying anything new. He is saying essentially what Rush Limbaugh has been saying for the past 20 years. The story here is why is his message just now beginning to resonate with voters? You think it might have something to do with the fact that his message is in such stark contrast to the Obama administration's agenda, which has already turned out to be an unmitigated disaster after only one year?

Obama doesn't have any leadership skills, absolutely none whatsoever, and he doesn't have any qualifications whatever to be president. I continue to be incredulous that that empty suit got elected.

I had to laugh at Ben Stein on Cavuto today. In so many words, but tactfully, he said that Obama is an imbecile, who doesn't even have enough common sense to realize that he is fucking up. It's all about promoting himself, not about promoting any agenda. That egomaniacal fool is falling down drunk with power. That psycho will have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the White House.

197 What the hell was Bob Smith doing down there? Was he trying to be a spoiler?

198 "A former state lawmaker virtually unknown outside of his South Florida home whose challenge to an exceedingly popular sitting governor for...."

Seems to me that if the virtual unknown has managed to catch the exceedingly popular sitting governor, maybe the guv wasn't really that popular to start off with, let alone "exceedingly"...

199 Intrade has Rubio over Crist 60/40