1 They're getting teste

2 The ass is about to self-destruct? Awesome!

3 This talk is all using today's political conditions (as they see them)... Tomorrow will be very different. They won't do _any_ of these things.

4 I hope they go for it. The nuclear option will just blow-up in their faces.

5 Really, how did we lose to these people?

6

They keep saying that the House could vote on the Senate Bill but to my knowledge that Senate Bill they are talking about is the Baucus bill and it was NOT originated in the House.

 

7 @1 - you bastage.  ROFLMAO.

8 Make no mistake - these guys are getting dangerous. As in "state of emergency" dangerous. These tactics call into question what the Dems WONT do to enact their legislation. At this point it seems that they simply won't be stopped by election or otherwise. The day may come when they deem us "ungovernable" and hence in need of "correction". Dangerous times folks.

9 Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Senate Democrats' Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack! [they all stab themselves] Suicide Squad Leader: That showed 'em, huh?

10 One final banzai charge, before they all commit electoral seppuku.

11 Balls of a feather hang together .

12 Exposing just how fanatical these people are is a reasonably good thing. Flushing the roaches so you know them to be what they are.

13
The more the Democrats pull their shit, the more seats we pick up this year.

And the better chance we have in stopping Obama's radical agenda. We need control of Congress, or at least one house. Gaining a lot of seats doesn't necessarily stop Obama; we need control.

14 Really, how did we lose to these people?

Mass psychosis.

15 Hmm...you know, I'm not entirely sure, but I think Ace might be sending us some subtle hints that things are looking good up at Brown HQ.  Yes...yes, I think I may have just cracked the code...oh, Ace, you sly dog!

16 Hey guys, http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/ is liveblogging if anyone is interested.

17 Allahu Ackbar!

18 The more undemocratic it appears it will take to get this bill passed, the easier it will be to undo it down the road IF they actually do this.  As long as the GOP/Opponents are in the majority, they will be able to undo this undemocratic, un-American monster.

19 Like cocaine addicted monkeys, they can't help themselves.

20 Wow, we're dipping taints now?

Meh, why not?  I think Scott Brown is going to ask Massachusettes Dems how his ass tastes later tonight.

21 They are full of shit. Simple as that. Now back to watching the Chrissy show...

22 If they do it, they own it lock, stock and barrel. There's no foisting it on the Repubs, even though the media will spin it that way.

23

Even I get physically ill watching the Dems try to make legislation.

24 The democrats are nucking futs!

25 These guys are just nutcases.

26 Do it. The House will very interesting with 350 Republicans in it and  majority in the Senate.

27 They did not hesitate a nanosecond to sacrifice the lives of our troops by savagely undermining a President in a time of war to sere their own political ends. What makes anyone think they would hesitate to do this if they calculate it will further their agenda. The ONLY possible thing that could keep them from moving forward is if enough of them decide it is too dangerous politically and that they do not want to committ political suicide. 

28 This is going to be a slow-motion clusterfuck.

The Republicans in the Senate will regularly withhold consent on bills between now and November in order to minimize the amount of "work" done by the body.

They'll also be objecting to every single line of the bill as it goes through the reconciliation process, which will take a lot of time.  Even if they miraculously get it through the process, none of what the Dems *really* want will actually end up in the final product.


On the Dems' side, a bunch of the Blue Dogs will start running for the hills and a bunch of the far-left Dennis Kucinich types will piss and moan about having to swallow the Senate bill instead of the one they passed a few months back.


If they do this, it will single-handedly tie up Congress for at least a few months at a time when Dems should be trying to distance themselves from this bill as much as they can.

Going forward with this is a suicide pact and I think that Barry, Harry, and Pelosi are about to start passing out the Kool-Ade.

29 It is difficult to really know what will happen, but I lean toward the view that this election will scare far to many centrists away from this for it to have any chance of working.

30 The ONLY possible thing that could keep them from moving forward is if enough of them decide it is too dangerous politically and that they do not want to committ political suicide.

The reasoning seems to be that since it is political suicide, they might as well go out in a blaze of glory.

31

Beck is back into his "both" parties are bad BS. This is one of the things that bothers me about him.

 

32 He says "he doesn't know who this Brown is".

33 Excuse the sockpuppet above...  Just reminding people that Andre DOES have a posse.

34 There's just not enough chocolate pudding in Massachusetts for that post, Ace. You might have to scale it back a dollop.

35 The leadership can try all they want.  I would suggest they remember how that vote on the 'doctors' fix' went.

36 OK, I know this is off topic, but damn, the MacGruber red band movie trailer actually looks funny.
http://2azm.sl.pt

37
If the Democrats do this and Obama signs it, the Republicans better not applause Obama at the SOTU.

Republicans should walk out as soon as everyone sits down at the SOTU.

Or perhaps pull their pants down and moon Obama.

38

Go Brown, and the Republicans (or somebody!) needs to start considering a plan to stop these dangerous, dangerous people if either the election is stolen or the Dems go with the nuclear option -- these people are giving signals that they would stop at nothing, including and up to a police state, to get what they want.  The more they lose, the more oppressive they will become -- that much is clear.  They need to be voted out asap!

And can there please be a coalition made up in IL to get rid of that awful bastard Durbin?  IL has suffered too many years of his office holding, enough!

39 Ace you know as I know that the democrats are not trying to appease their base...health care is and has always been a strategic move in the pursuit of total control. Economic slavery is just a short step away from pure tyranny.

40
Beck just played a clip of Nancy Pelosi saying she doesn't care who wins tomorrow, healthcare will go through.  That crazy bitch needs an overdose of botox stat.

41 37
If the Democrats do this and Obama signs it, the Republicans better not applause Obama at the SOTU.

Republicans should walk out as soon as everyone sits down at the SOTU.

Or perhaps pull their pants down and moon Obama.

If the Dems do this, there's little chance of it being done for the SOTU unless it gets pushed back again.

The first day after the election is Wednesday, January 20, and the SOTU is currently scheduled for January 27.  There's no way they can get the bill through reconciliation within a week and I don't think they have the votes to "ping-pong" the Senate version through the House either.

42 I know that all of this crap both pisses off and scares alot of you, as well as it should. However, you need to be a little contrarian at this point and enjoy the show. The Dems are twisting in the wind right now and they are continuing to show the country who they truly are as they attempt to escape their predicament. All of these threats and crazy statements by leaders on the left hurt the WHOLE party down the road. Embrace it, don't fear it.

43 I think the Donks are at the point now that it's vital to just get something passed to avoid looking like a pack of completely incompetent assholes. They're all in -- Pelosi is in a safe seat, and Reid is probably doomed no matter what so they really have nothing to lose by ramrodding something through. And they're also liberal true-believers who desperately want to keep Obama's mystique intact for as long as possible; they know that the failure of Obama's signature intiative will probably doom him to lame-duck status barely a year into his first term. They've chained themselves to the mast on this one.

44 Ace, I lol'ed.

45

"Really, how did we lose to these people?"

The media.  And I think this is the nail on the media's coffin too.  May they enjoy Satan's barbed cock.

46 geeze, i wish that really were a Cheney. imagine picking any of their brains.

47 The Democratic leadership appears to have forgotten one part of the equation.  HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE WILLING TO PISS OFF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND COMMIT POLITICAL SUICIDE?

48 Your nuts!

49 43 -- I'll laugh my ass off the day I see Pelosi jeered and pelted with rotten tomatoes (and going stale whitebait) on the steps of the Capitol.  I want that vile Durbin to suffer every bit of a campaign for reelection in IL -- I want him afraid to face his "constituents" here at home; perhaps pelt him with vitamins.

50 Your You're nuts.  Oops.

51 Make no mistake - these guys are getting dangerous. As in "state of emergency" dangerous. These tactics call into question what the Dems WONT do to enact their legislation. Without postulating anything too conspiratorially bizarre (martial law!!11!!!11!), be prepared to see the Demotard Congress do some completely batshit parliamentary maneuvers to get Hellcare into law. They will do it, they will step over any line you imagined was legal, short of guns and a coup-d'état.

52 But "reconciliation" is really one of the lower levels of the "Nuclear Option"

They could just vote to suspend the rules on cloture for the remainder of the day .. it would take 51 votes.

But this would be a "limited strike" "Nuclear Option" .. by far, further than anyone in the Senate really wants to go  .. it sets a bad precedent for the future and would most likely cost Reid his job as Majority Leader.

53

how did we lose to the,. a perfect storm of media lies, bashing reps 24/7 for 7 + years, and this young generation of " properly educated kids" (think ayers group)

Oh and the i'm so cool for voing for this fresh faced  guy and not  the-old-white-dude

54   If the House does pass the Senate bill as is, the whole thing should get tossed by a court. All tax bills have to originate in the House. And this bill is full of new taxes.

55

Harwich students have exit poll. Great to see the kids involved

As in previous elections, government students at Harwich High School will conduct an exit poll today at the special election for the US Senate seat.

By 11am over 2,000 Harwich voters had cast ballots, and while the numbers from the H.H.S. exot pollers is still being crunched, Coakly has lost by over 10% if Harwich is typical of today's voting state-wide.

More at: www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/

 

56 Isn't that kind of a circular firing squad they are planning? Ought to work out fine. What can go wrong?

57

Here's my nuclear option for the Democrats: http://tinypic.com/r/wbfo91/6

 

58 I think the Donks are at the point now that it's vital to just get something passed to avoid looking like a pack of completely incompetent assholes.

If only the American public saw this for what it is, but the American public elected the jug-eared numb-skull, so I'm not surprised they don't.

59 There's a side-effect to reconcilliation: The provisions automatically sunset after 5 years. That would be pretty awesome: The taxes start now, the coverage starts in 2014, and then it all ends in 2016.

60

seriously why Would they do this? don't they realize people will be angrier than hell and they  will likely lose elections for a good time.

sure they'll always have that devoted 30% of soul wreckers but otherwise?

61 I think the exact quote is "We must hang together or surely we shall all hang separately," at least according to Stuff Jefferson Said, Vol. II

62 More Here

63

I don't think it's so much Left vs. Right - it's two ideologies - either healthcare is a right or it isn't. If it's a right (like Switzerland, Taiwan, Germany, Canada, UK, Japan, etc. have chosen) then the Government should take it over - only problem is that path has proven to be unsustainable - there will never be enough money to give EVERYONE top-quality health care for free (or greatly subsidized).

If healthcare is NOT a right then healthcare should be left up to the private market.

The current system of a mix of private and public (Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, etc.) isn't working well today - healthcare costs are out of control.

But making a bunch of deals with Big Phrma, doctors groups, lawyers (healthcare costs would immediately be reduced with caps and tort reforms), hospital groups, unions, special deals (bribes) for certain Senators, illegal aliens (they'll be included somehow) and endless other special interest groups is the worst possible way to proceed - yet that is what Obama, Pelosi and company are doing - and, big surprise, people are starting to rebel. Also amazing is that the taxes proposed by the Dems (which are likely to be found unconstitutional) kick in right away but benefits won't be provided for many years. All this being done while thousands upon thousands more Americans lose their jobs every month.

Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the Dems have to be the most out of touch and clueless "leaders" this country has ever had.

64 Except for the whole we-may-get-obliterated-by-terrorists thing, I'm having a moment of happiness that they Won.

This Brown revolution would not have happened under President McCain, and it's going to be much deeper and harder and longer-lasting than any conservative wind that McCain would have blown.

65

@5: "Really, how did we lose to these people?"

Because the GOP sucks really, really badly at actually governing.  If the Dems were even minimally competent, the GOP would be done.

66

Regarding Dick Durbin in Illinois politics, he is not from Chicago, he's from 'downstate' (anywhere except Chicago, even north of Chicago, can be considered downstate).  Although he is from southern Illinois.  Which makes the folks downstate think that he is somehow on THEIR side against Chicago. (Half the state population is the Chicago metro area, the other half is 'downstate'.)

Plus he is the most bland nothing little pudgy nobody you can imagine.  Talk about your banality of evil.  But that's how he wins, even when he calls our troops the equivalent of the Kyhmer Rouge in Laos, and says they are killers, he comes home and he's Mr. Milquetoast and never gets any negative publicity.  Ever.

67 66 You seddit, Cube.

68 67 (anywhere except Chicago, even north of Chicago, can be considered downstate)

I like that term better than the one the media uses in Michigan. Here, if it's not in the Detroit Metro Area, it's "outstate." Makes it sound like they mean someplace not in the state.

69 60There's a side-effect to reconcilliation: The provisions automatically sunset after 5 years. That would be pretty awesome: The taxes start now, the coverage starts in 2014, and then it all ends in 2016.

Posted by: Topper Harley at January 19, 2010 05:37 PM (xRDFS)

I'm not sure how to search for an authoritative link on that, Topper.  I've heard pundits say it a few times, so I'm sure it must be true.  But I'm betting there's some nasty chicanery that could be worked into the bill to make that difficult.  For example, didn't the Totalitarian Trio (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) try to make the bill un-repealable by requiring a supermajority?

70

Actually it is called "the Byrd Rule" who got it passed to amend the "reconcilliation act".  It limits the uses of the process AND calls for all budget things that are passed using it to sunset after 10 years.

That is why the Bush tax cuts expire after 10 years.

Byrd called for this after Bill Clinton tried to pass the first healthscam using reconcilliation.

They can not use reconcilliation for this bill because ANY senator can raise objections to its use for the bill and it takes 60 votes to settle that call,

 

71 If Brown wins, could Biden be the 60Th vote or can the VP only vote to break a tie?

72 He only gets to vote in the event of a tie.

73 Nuclear option giveth and nuclear option taketh away.

How many federal agencies will be dismantled in the next ten years if they take this tack?

74

67, Trust me Boots, I know where he is from.  Since the bastard got into office my family has been trying to vote him out (they didn't vote to put him in in the first place).  My hatred for that piece of shit has only intensified over the years -- and yep, every dipshit yellow dog who can only seem to vote for a D rather than for a person votes for him down here, plus the unions (why, I'll never know -- there are hardly any union jobs left down here; there are hardly any jobs period) plus the campus lefties, plus the welfare n'erdowells. 

There are those who see him for what he is, and he could lose -- but he has Chicago behind him, plus a whole lot of stupid down here.  And every time he's up for election he always promises the downstate lots of goodies...you'd think the dumbasses would learn...but they don't -- they could live in Haiti-esque conditions and if that sonofabitch offered to get them 50 jobs in the downstate they'd have his signs all over their yard come election time.

I want to fight that -- and not by myself this time; I'd like a little backup and somebody at least somewhat decent to run against that traitorous ass.  I'm beginning to think that will never happen.

75
they are determined to ram it down our throats

Wrong oriface. And they don't have the decency to use some lube.

76 My bad -- I don't know why I was thinking 5 years when it was 10...

77 Follow your spirit, and upon this charge,
Cry "God for Harry, England, and Saint George!"

Unleash HELL!