1 Speaking of RINOs and those opposing them, Christine OÂ’Donnell is hot.

2

I missed the day things went surreal.  When was that?

3 Since when do we have to raise taxes in order to splurge on pork?

4 Reminds me of that debacle in Georgia where one the local councils told the citizens to cut back on water usage.

Well they did, and then the local council had to jack their rates up because no one was using water.

5 We don't want anymore socialist BIG GOVERNMENT roads let's sell them all to private enterprise and ,ake the, profit earning toll roads. And the same with state beaches. Why should I have to pay for dome beach for someone else's kids ?

6 I just love it when senile fools like Voinovich claim to know that people "wouldn't mind" paying higher taxes.

After all, look what we get: More bennies for union thugs, flossier vacations for the Traitor-in-Chief, projects that study the effects of drugs on monkeys, building named after Zombie Robert Byrd and Charlie Rangel, signs telling us about the wonderful "stimulus" projects some crackpot desk-jockey in a gubmint office dreams up, A Department of Justice for Some that cuts members of favored groups free, wide-open borders welcoming new Democrat voters illegals....

Ah, fuck it. The list is endless, and it makes me sick to think about it.

So I'll just say: Screw you, Voinovich. You want to pay higher taxes? Be my guest!

If we had a trustworthy Supreme Court, I'd want to see that "user fee" shit shut down once and for all. As Joltin' Joe Biden would say, "it's a three-letter word -- T-A-X-E-S."

7 Poor George is about as dimwitted as they come, and for a politician that's saying a lot. The guy really suffers from RINO love-me-daddy reach around the aisle syndrome. A totally worthless POS.

8 We just got an ad requesting, and I quote, "vote yes to 1/2 penny for our schools." The ad NEVER says where this 1/2 penny is going to come from, they just say that one 1/2 penny will raise $13.5 million dollars per year and cost the average citizen less than a dollar a week or $49.00 per year. But they NEVER say how that 1/2 penny will be paid. Even my 17 year commented on that, and said "This is just another tax, isn't it?" Too bad we have to put him in public school this year-all those smarts may just fade away.

9 Was he sobbing when he said this?

10

typical for Voinovich , and OH. chase business out, raise property and state taxes to pay for all the gvt employees frill jobs.

innovation? hell no.

11 "I believe Americans are willing to pay a higher gas tax to create jobs, improve our infrastructure and better our climate," Voinovich said at a business conference in Ohio last month. "And many of my conservative colleagues do not consider that gas tax as a tax, but as a user fee."

Well, F-me.  All this time I thought gas taxes were taxes, but according to Senator Einsteinovich, they aren't taxes, taxes; they're user fee taxes. 

Senator, I hope you're wearing a condom when you try and do sex to us this way.

I should have known better than to check the AoS this late...now I'm frosted and won't sleep.    

12

I think self-identified Donks should pay higher taxes.  Then everyone would be happy.

Right?

13 I am not usually sympathetic to the folks who are in the "throw them all out and burn the fucking house down" camp.  Usually.

If you are a moron from Ohio who feels this way, I still do not agree with you, but I can damn well muster up some sympathy.

14 Maybe if these motherfucking retards didn't get "involved", things would be fine.

15

Vote Rob Portman for Senate! Please, for God's sake!

Fuck Voinovich, he'll probably end up in a mental hospital in Cuyahoga Falls.

 

16 How much do we pay for the privilege of the government giving us back our own money?  30%?

17 Maybe Voinovich should go back in time and see what happened to GHW Bush when he reneged on that "Read my lips" debacle.

18 Is his term up this year, and is there a decent GOP challenger?

19 13, Right. I'm slow to answer, but completely on board with your suggestion.

20 Where I live, they have torn down and replaced the 3 nearest rest areas, bought more equipment for the state highway, and repaired zero roads.  The old rest areas were pristine, not made of asbestos and nuclear waste.  The old highway equipment is so unused the paint is barely scratched on the inside of the buckets and dump beds.  People should pay for more of this?

21 *CRYING*

The lack of money in the treasury *SNIFF* makes me weep!

*SOBBING*

22 Geez,  I thought that old geezer was retiring.  Or dead already.  WTF.  On the plus side, he sure knows how to read the mood of the voters, doesn't he?

23 Dear Mr. Senator Dumbass Ignorant Pansy Voinovich,

Fuck you.

Strong letter to follow.

Sincerely,

Merovign
Who is Strong on His Mountain

P.S. If you don't know nothin', don't SAY nothin'. Foo.

24 20-yes, because that's creating jobs. But you really need to make your leftovers last longer, walk to work and sacrifice in other ways to help the economy. It's patriotic. /s

25 That's all those fuckers know: Tax and spend, tax and spend.

Good God almighty fucking lefties are dumber than dirt.

26 #4, Rush has repeatedly pointed out that taxes on "vice behaviors", like smoking, may help curb one dependency, but they create another.  The government becomes dependent on the resulting revenues and needs individuals to keep participating in the vice to keep funding the spending the taxes are committed to.

Logic is hard.

27 26- Didn't power companies in California have to raise rates recently, because power usage was down, and they needed revenue? Logic is not just hard, it's elusive too.

28

A lib's answer to anything is tax it more.  These fools have no clue how much the underground cash economy is booming.  That lost revenue won't be back for a decade, and every time they squeal about more taxes, they stimulate more people to avoid them.

29 26 #4, Rush has repeatedly pointed out that taxes on "vice behaviors", like smoking, may help curb one dependency, but they create another.  The government becomes dependent on the resulting revenues and needs individuals to keep participating in the vice to keep funding the spending the taxes are committed to.

Logic is hard.

Posted by: The Hammer at August 07, 2010 11:32 PM (YBTwf)

--Worse, these gas taxes/"user fees" do not even get plowed back into highways/bridges/other road projects like they should, but get diverted into public transit, high-speed rail, and other unrelated and vanity projects that do not benefit automobile drivers while roads deteriorate.

30 Is a roadside toilet "vanity?"  These clowns can't even get that right.

31 I retract the vanity comment.  I live in Idaho -- the toilets probably have Larry Craig's name on them.

32 Fuel tax is essentially government ordered inflation. It makes EVERYTHING more expensive. It's just a tax on efficiency. It's one of the dumbest of all taxes. And this guy wants more. Seriously, these guys need a high school level economics class. That would do wonders at this point.

33 >>"And many of my conservative colleagues do not consider that gas tax as a tax, but as a user fee."<<

I want names.

Voinovich, I got your user fee.  Right here.

34 Heh. I'm pretty sure that if the GOP would only publicly propose a boatload of good, solid ideas the Dems will reject all of them out of spite and follow only what's left to them. Which is funny, in the way it'll box them in even further.

35 Well, the economy is faltering.  Why not throw sand on the rails?

36

Comrade Voinovich,

 The glorious peoples revolution awaits! If we can just collect a bit more in user fees from the lackey bourgeoisie, then our victory will be assured and the workers paradise we have longed for will become a reality!

Onward Comrade Voinovich, pillage the wealth of the petty capitalists and together we shall realize the triumph of the proletariat!

 

Today Ohio! Tomorrow the USA!

37 Seriously, these guys need a high school level economics class. That would do wonders at this point.

I don't think the stupid fuckers can even read - they obviously can't read the bills they ram through Congress.

2+2 = 4   is way above their heads.
They think if the Treasury prints more money, then that increases wealth.

38 18 Is his term up this year, and is there a decent GOP challenger?

He's retiring... thankfully.  Rob Portman is running for his old seat.

Lord, I've been ready to toss this bozo out of office since he lost his damn mind crying about John Bolton's appointment to the UN.

39 27 26- Didn't power companies in California have to raise rates recently, because power usage was down, and they needed revenue? Logic is not just hard, it's elusive too.

I'm in Michigan. Remember when gas went up to $5 per gallon because of... who the he11 knows? Any ways, gas consumption went way down here, since 2/3 of the people here drive SUV's and did not want to pay $75 twice a week to drive. So... the governor (Gov. Ms. Idiot-D) started floating the idea that we needed a higher gas tax because we weren't consuming enough gas, and we didn't have enough money to fix the roads.

In other words:
Consuming gas= bad
Not consuming gas= bad

So, according to democrats, logic is really sort of deranged and drunken circle jerk?

40 "Due to dwindling fuel tax receipts"

Wasn't that the liberal plan?  To 'wean' ourselves of foreign oil?  To GO ELECTRIC?

Or is this another example of the fucking liberals not having a clue as to what the hell their talking about?

41 "I believe Americans are willing to pay a higher gas tax to... better our climate..."

Uh, isn't that based on the tax increase deterring traffic due to normal supply/demand effects?  So those who would be supposedly "bettering our climate" would be the ones not paying the tax, which means the assertion is nonsensical.

42 And no, the people of Michigan, no matter how stupid and how liberal, did not want to pay more of a gas tax. Although they did not present it as a "job saver" they presented it as a "road saver."

Which is funny, because no matter how much they spend, our roads are like cr@p by February every year.

43 Oil is EVIL!!!11!!!!!1!!

44 Yes, a gas tax increase will help unemployment because when businesses have to fork over more money for any gas they use, they will just run right out there and hire more people, because gee, when your expenses go up, that's what you do, you go on a hiring binge. Do these stupid people in congress know ANYONE who owns and operates a small business?

45 If we burn less oil, we save more for plants!

46

Today Ohio! Tomorrow the USA!

Posted by: Commissar Obama at August 07, 2010 11:47 PM (DlNeu)

Fence off the North Coast and let Kentucky have Cincy. We'll take care of Columbus.

I'm getting awful tired of progressives proclaiming how proud they are of the rotting shit holes that they run.

47 44 Yes, a gas tax increase will help unemployment because when businesses have to fork over more money for any gas they use, they will just run right out there and hire more people, because gee, when your expenses go up, that's what you do, you go on a hiring binge. Do these stupid people in congress know ANYONE who owns and operates a small business?

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 08, 2010 12:03 AM (ZhPif)

--Broken Window Fallacy

48 2012 is coming, folks.

49 Aw, sssssssssssssssssshit!

/Libtard

50 "Due to dwindling fuel tax receipts, Congress has had to transfer billions of dollars from the General Fund to the Highway Trust Fund to maintain our current level of federal involvement."

Voinovich said the tax hike is needed to help keep the Highway Trust Fund afloat.

You want to refloat  your Highway Trust Fund, George?  Repeal Davis-Bacon.

51 "Fence off the North Coast" please tell me before this happens so I can make an escape from The People's Republic...

52

“I believe Americans are willing to pay a higher gas tax to create jobs, improve our infrastructure and better our climate," Voinovich said at a business conference in Ohio last month.

"I also believe the tooth fairy."

53 What a dipshit.

54 There is a reason why he is retiring.

55

Voinabitch has been a lib in Republican clothing for years.  As governor, he was pissed because the voters rolled back his pop tax.  He push the pilot of the state plane to fly even though the airport was closed down while the POTUS (Clinton) was flying in.  When I met the POS in DC I refused to shake his hand.  I will be glad to see his RINO ass gone.

Portman is a local to the Cincinnati area.  I met him a couple times but didn't really get to know him.  What I have heard about him is he is a nice family man.  I am not sure of his conservative creds yet but will  vote for him.

56 And many of my conservative colleagues do not consider that gas tax as a tax, but as a user fee.

A user fee? For roads, bridges, and etc. I presume. Fine. If gas taxes are really a user fee why am I not able to optain a refund on those taxes for gasoline not used in vehicles while driven on the public infrastructure? If I am using a 5 gallons a gas a day driving around my own farm why do I need to pay a user fee for the roads? If I am using 20 gallons a day to run a generator on a construction project why am I required to pay a road user fee? I only pay tolls when I actually use a road or bridge. I don't mail cash to the State of New York for the GW bridge when I ride my quad around my  yard to take care of the toll.

57

We'll enjoy paying more taxes when Voinovich enjoys getting the barbed cock of Satan up his stupid ass.

He'll really be crying when he has to wear diapirs.

58

It isn't so much that Senator George Voinovich is a rino or that he is wishy-washy as it is that his constituents in Ohio are some of the flakiest and most fickle and most erratic  people in the country, many of whom can't decide from day-to-day if they are Democrats, Independents or Republicans. (Never mind the huge  effect that sleazy labor unions of all kinds have on the braindead  electorate in Ohio.)

Remember that Dennis Kucinich is one of their favorite Congressman. That should tell you all that you need to know about the dufuses in Ohio. It's kind of like Missouri, but with scenery.

59 Just make the tax 200%. Think of how the $ will roll in! Interesting times are here.

60

We will tax you into oblivion.

_{Oh, wait...}

61 Draw a line from the Northwest corner of Ohio to the Southeast corner.  Above the line our state is blue, below is red. 

62 Road work in Michigan = Jobs program for union flacks.

63 I thought "upper class twit of the year" was a Monty Python skit, who knew? If Voinovich had any integrity, he'd return the award à la Fareed Zakaria.

64

Oh great! I'm already making less income at a new job because I was laid off in June last year. I now commute 20 miles instead of being close enough to walk or ride my bike. The health insurance is almost twice as expensive and we have no options in the plan this year, just a PPO. And moving where I was hoping to last year makes my already higher commute and transportation costs go up again.

I thought this guy was pathetic before with his crying but damn!

65 I will say this for Ohio:  It might very well have this country's highest concentration of beautiful, dumb blondes, second only to South Beach in Florida.

66

Oh great! I'm already making less income at a new job because I was laid off in June last year. I now commute 20 miles instead of being close enough to walk or ride my bike. The health insurance is almost twice as expensive and we have no options in the plan this year, just a PPO. And moving where I was hoping to last year makes my already higher commute and transportation costs go up again.

What does he care?  His life is nice.

67 He hasn't had to pay for gas in years.

68

With respect to that anarchist, Marilyn Buck, who just died, I've got to say that there was a beautiful, talented and intelligent woman, who was so psychotic and delusional, also, that she she completely wasted her entire life, spending most of her adult life in prison for senseless crimes which she committed, instead of realizing her potential.  What a waste.

Instead of learning from that very sick freak's many mistakes, though, her equally psychotic friends and fellow anarchists regard her as a martyr. Go figure.

Read their comments about her on their websites. They will give you chilling insights as to the screwy mindsets of the creeps, losers, misfits and perverts who voted for Obama, and who continue to praise that damned fool and madman for bizarre and irrational reasons, too..  

69 Hey poster, I was wondering if it was possible for you to post something a little more literate. Calling people drooling idiots or whatever doesn't seem like much of a debating point.

70 And you fucking wingnuts thought I was nuts....

See you bitches on the mothership - I'm out.

71 I shall speak, as an Ohioan. This state never used to be bad. The late 80s-90s were golden years here. We had Greg Lashutka as mayor here in Columbus, a damned good conservative mayor, and Columbus was THE test market for many companies. Voinovich wasn't as godawful as he is now, and most of the looney libs were pretty much confined to the North Coast (i.e. Cleveland metro and Toledo). We had low unemployement, expansion galore, I tell you, they were good times. Now: Columbus' mayor, Greg Coleman, 8 years now, mainly because the libs have discovered the booming market in Columbus and migrated from Cleveland and other places here, which helps keep Coleman elected. The illegal (Mexican mainly) immigration has tripled at least (in the past 5 years Columbus gained a Spanish speaking station), Now we have Strickland as a Gov. We have one far left crap Senator (Sherrod--god, I'm hating this name), and one who might as well be Left. I'm praying that we can at least get Kasich to win against Strickland...that might start to help the state get back to some sense, but as for Columbus...unless Coleman (and his drunk wife Frankie) gets booted out, I'm not holding out much hope in the capital.

72 I will say this for Ohio: It might very well have this country's highest concentration of beautiful, dumb blondes, second only to South Beach in Florida. Well, I wish Columbus did have at least more beautiful blondes, but the only population type that is expanding is hippie-dippie gothy-type lesbians and the gay male population (which further guarantees that Columbus is going from a conservative leaning town to a leftist town).

73 58:

I'll only go so far in flaming my home-state before asking where you hail from.  What rock-ribbed, never-let-the-cause-down Conservative state do you hail from ?

You have Ohio to thank for keeping John Francois out of office, so kindly put the gas-can down and back away slowly. 

Yes, Vbitch is a total fucknut, but he hasn't cornered the market on economic stupidity even in the Rust Belt, much less anywhere else, and I'm guessing whatever state you may hail from was just as much a part of the "52% solution" as the Buckeye state, so kindly put the rock down before you break more of your glass house.

74 Draw a line from the Northwest corner of Ohio to the Southeast corner. Above the line our state is blue, below is red. That would make Columbus 1/2 and 1/2, but I'm thinking you'd have to bend the line so that Columbus is now in the blue section (except for perhaps the southern suburbs.), and also, I'd probably bend the SE corner up a bit...I think much of the southern half of Columbus is pretty conservative (Athens excepted, perhaps, and maybe parts of Dayton).

75 I'll only go so far in flaming my home-state before asking where you hail from. What rock-ribbed, never-let-the-cause-down Conservative state do you hail from ? Indeed, he (the poster) doesn't sound like he is from Ohio at all. Sorry to burst his bubble, but much of the left-leaning has come from migration south from Cleveland on down + leftists from other states (Michigan, hello!), and a rise in illegal immigration (from the NW corner on down). I speak from Columbus, the dying Heart Of It All.

76 74 Cheshire:

I grew up in Athens - it's beyond "perhaps."  OU's tiny conservative bloc has done well for itself in the years since I left but they're still an island in a sea of stupid.  I live in SoCal now and it's more conservative here in San Diego than it ever was in Athens even during my college years under Ronnie.  Reading the college news-rags from OU still provides me with hours of prog-left entertainment.

77 75 Cheshire:

Check your facts before you flap your gums, son.  Care to check me on my bona-fides, Gerbil Village ?  Like most C-Bus residents, you go out of your way to sound like another self-appointed spokesperson for the entire state.  Kindly throttle down to third gear on the rhetoric.

78 Check your facts before you flap your gums, son. I was refering to poster 58, not you, relax. I was responding to Ohio Dan. Care to check me on my bona-fides, Gerbil Village ? Whitehall, via South Linden...bring it. lol

79 I retract the vanity comment.  I live in Idaho -- the toilets probably have Larry Craig's name on them.

Posted by: bil at August 07, 2010 11:39 PM (cke4m)

Built for a wider-than-normal stance, then I guess.

80 I grew up in Athens - it's beyond "perhaps." I agree, I was just being conciliatory, but I come to think of Athens as one giant beer garden.

81 Whitehall, via South Linden...bring it. lol Duxberry Ave, to be precise (between 8 yrs old and 22).

82 Since Cheshire's the newly-appointed "Bucks Stop Here" inspector, perhaps they'd care to explain the bajillion-year tenure of John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum in light of their Michigan carpetbagger theory of the "blueing" of the state ?

Ohio's been a union-supporting, blue-collar, class-war-fighting state since the late 60's and a distressing number of Ohioans have had nothing to depend on but Uncle Suggy's green since high-sulfur coal, small farms and heavy industry went to shit in the 70's.

But what do I know compared to the someone who's feeling the pulse of the "Heart of It All" ?

Physician, get the fuck over thyself.

83 I've also lived in: Findlay, Toledo, Tiffin, Fremont, BG, Dayton, Cinn, Hamilton, Youngstown, Akron, so I have a good handle on how the state works, at least.

84 Woody Hayes sucked cock.

85 Since Cheshire's the newly-appointed "Bucks Stop Here" inspector, perhaps they'd care to explain the bajillion-year tenure of John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum in light of their Michigan carpetbagger theory of the "blueing" of the state ? Um, you are the only one "appointing me" as spokesman here, mate. All I did was express an opinion to counter "just a thoughts" argument that we vacillate that much. You know, someone who's lived in this state for about 35 years might have some sort of notion as to what's going on here. John Glenn's tenure is due to him being a "hero", and a patriot, that's pretty much it. Metzenbaum, had a pretty solid lock on the Northeastern section of Ohio (High population democratic areas--Cleveland metro, Akron, Canton, Youngstown). The Michigan migration started especially in the 90s as the state started going to pot. Glad to see you can scorn from your lofty tower there in California, which seems to have far greater problems at present...but I'm not going to presume to speak for California either. Prescription's free. So are opinions. If you don't like mine, don't respond to me.

86 Re: comment 84 "cheshirecat" at August 08, 2010 03:25 AM (Fr99L) Hey, arsehole...sockpuppetry of other posters is taken rather seriously here. Knock it off. That's why we have hashes on our names.

87 And, yeah, Woody did suck cock, but he could knock a motherfucker to the ground like nobody's business. lol

88 "cheshirecat" at August 08, 2010 03:25 AM (Fr99L) rdBrewster, you've been here long enough at AoS. Cool it.

89 I almost get the feeling that they sit in their conference rooms with a board and movable pieces on which are printed all the money we pay in taxes, the outright ones and the hidden ones.  Today one of my lib/dem friends said "pretty soon they are going to have a breathing tax, that you pay every day and is included in your income tax"....my other friend said "be quiet, you might give them ideas".

90 Curious: "pretty soon they are going to have a breathing tax, that you pay every day and is included in your income tax"....my other friend said "be quiet, you might give them ideas". Hm, well, isn't the taxing of CO2 sort of along those lines? I think they already have that idea.

91 This sounds like such a convoluted ideas that you wonder what is going on in DC.  People abandon logic and reason when they get there.  All along the way the guys on the financial channels, even CNBC, were saying "the more people you have out of work and losing their houses, the less revenue you are going to get in taxes"...what about that simple concept do these people not understand?  Dear God, I really hope they are all not stupide enough to think they can just tax their way out of this...it would be nearly impossible and people would be working 11 months for the government and a month for themselves, no one could survive those conditions.

92 They are stuck.  Americans are retiring credit and credit cars at a record rate.  They are scrambling to try and pay their debts and retire them too..  They are saving and not buying anything frivolous anymore.  In the economy of the 1930's that was the right thing to do.  But in a service based economy where nothing is really produced in this country anymore, they are literally choking the system with their retiring of credit, saving and lack of buying.  If they don't buy the "services" then the economy begins to choke and the flow of money isn't there and liquidity is gone.  The corporations are doing the same thing and short of compelling them to spend by law, they have every right to do that as they aren't sure what is coming their way.  Probably so much money has flowed out of this country to "safe havens" it isn't even funny.  So all this money is static, parked, not moving and the liquidty begins to dry up and things get worse.   This was caused by the dems and they are the ones who should have to fix it...and it starts with extending the bush tax cuts across the board.   Otherwise you'll see Americans and corporations horde even more and things will get worse.

93 Now: Columbus' mayor, Greg Coleman Oh, that should be Mike, of course...I was typing too fast...and he's been mayor 10 years.

94 They are stuck. Americans are retiring credit and credit cars at a record rate. They are scrambling to try and pay their debts and retire them too.. They are saving and not buying anything frivolous anymore. Can't blame them, especially if their jobs are tenuous or they aren't getting any raises. I'm in that situation myself. I haven't had my modest 2% raise in about 2 years (and I don't expect one this coming year either) and costs are still going up (my rent went up last year another $50. I've paid off all but one of my credit cards (and that will be paid by the end of the year), and I'm driving a 15 year old car, which badly needs replaced but I cannot afford to.

95 Good Morning Morons

I don't know if this has been said yet because I haven't read all the posts.

No Voinovich is not stupid. Like all liberal politicians, he is a damn liar.

"Fuel taxes today fund the vast majority of the federal government's investment in infrastructure projects," Voinovich wrote in the letter. "Due to dwindling fuel tax receipts, Congress has had to transfer billions of dollars from the General Fund to the Highway Trust Fund to maintain our current level of federal involvement."

That is a GD lie. In fact it is the exact opposite of the truth.  The government routinely raids the highway fund for general revenue items. Not only that the commies a few years back in their zeal to supply cities like Detroit with operating funds came up with a scheme to rob 20% of all the highway funds to pay for mass transit in the urban areas. Never mind that the cities were already paying for this through fares and taxes lets give them 20% of all the gasoline taxes. Then they can use that money on some more socialism, graft, and corruption.

Folks, this is just a harbinger of things to come from this so-called budget commission.  It is 3/4 commie and 1/4 RINO so expect every solution to involve some kind of tax increase.

96 Wow, looking over the comments we find two posters, both nominally from OH flaming each other over OH.

I've been to OH several times have some friends there, as well as a neice-in-law(?) from there. We have numerous conservative posters on here from OH. Right now from an overall standpoint, I would say OH is a purple State.

Like all States, OH has the "urban island effect" and it is not heat. Any city with a population over 35K is going to go hardcore liberal because, for what ever reason, minorities gravitate to the cities and vote in blocks for Democrats.  When that happens pretty soon the city becomes a model of communist failure complete with graft and corruption, in short it becomes another Detroit.

Yes Voinobitch is a RINO. Hell his lifetime rating is 69.8 and in 2008 it was 52. That's near DIABLO territory. I haven't pulled all the years but I am sure that he did hit DIABLO some years.

He is retiring this year probably because he sees the handwriting on the wall. Too bad our own Lindsey Graham SOB is up for election this year as well.

If he was he would be retiring as well, whether he did it on his own or not.

97 Vic: Wow, looking over the comments we find two posters, both nominally from OH flaming each other over OH. Hi, Vic! I think 35 years qualifies a bit more than "nominally", but I wasn't intending to flame anyone. I did respond when I was attacked though. Any city with a population over 35K is going to go hardcore liberal because, for what ever reason, minorities gravitate to the cities and vote in blocks for Democrats. I think you are probably right, but it wasn't always the case for Columbus...it had a fairly solid conservative population for the longest time (if you look at the list of mayors for Columbus, you'll see that 90% of them were Republican).

98 I said nominally because one is really in CA now.

99 oops I notice I left out NOT in the Graham up foe election.

100 LOL, I just thought of something else about Columbus. Years ago my wife and I farmed our daughter out to her sister who was living in Columbus at the time. She spent a summer and 1 school year there to see if she would do better in the public schools there than here.

We had been sending her to a secular private school here and they shut down all the grades above 7th because of "lack of interest by parents" due to no football.

101 And I see on Fox that the Mexican Police are now kidnapping their bosses and protesting corruption in the streets.

Can Mexico last much longer without a civil war? And if not, will it be the narco-gangs who finally end up in power?

If you think we have them pouring over the border now, wait till that happens.

102 I see from a linked story from the NYT at Drudge that the WH claims that the Worf is paying for her own costs on the vacation trip, except for security. I'm sure that includes the cost of transportation as well huh?

But in any case, does anyone actually believe this?

I don't believe a single thing this crowd says anymore.

103 LOL, we have often remarked about the libtard assholes in these cities faced with budget cuts and how they moan that they are going to lay off cops and teachers unless they get a tax hike.

Well here is a new wrinkle on this (via Drudge) in Camden, NJ.  Not only are they going to shut down all their libraries but the have to get rid of the books as well....why? 

Because they are a fire hazard!

The library board president says the library system, which opened in 1904, is preparing to donate, sell or destroy its collections, including 187,000 books.

Board president Martin McKernan says keeping the books around would pose a fire hazard.

The question is, will Chris Christie allow them to do this?

The only time I have seen a book pose a fire hazard is when some tard decides he doesn't like what is in one and wants to burn it.

104 The Columbia Democrat PR rag must realize that their candidate for the Senate, Alvin Greene has zero chance of going anywhere against DeMint.

So what do they do in the face of that lost cause?  They embrace the Green party Candidate for another lost cause:

http://tinyurl.com/29hz8aa

105 Is there anybody else awake aout there besides Lous Vuitton spam?

106 just us

107 I'm an Ohioan, economic refugee from MI in '86. I'd like to think that those of us who left remember WHY we left. Voiny at least used to be a tightwad. No more, evidently.

108 Tim Scott (R-SC) is the black conservative Republican from the SC legislature running for SC district 1 seat vacated by ousted RINO Inglis.

He is attending a rally by a newly formed black conservative organization in SC.  But it is tough to get the word out there about either with these misleading headlines by AP in the Charleston paper.

What does it tell you when you read this headline?

Black conservatives rally for immigration

You would think there is a group of black conservatives holding a rally to support increasing immigration. And in today's climate, probably amnesty as well. None of these things normally the work of any conservative organization. Also, no mention of Tim Scott at all in the headline. 

But here are some nips from the story:

COLUMBIA -- A black conservative organization in South Carolina rallied people at the Statehouse on Saturday to support tougher immigration laws.

State. Rep. Tim Scott, who is running for South Carolina's 1st congressional district seat was the speaker and would be the first black Republican congressman since Oklahoma's J.C. Watts retired in 2003.

"One thing the federal government should be doing is stopping illegal immigration," Scott said to the crowd of roughly 150 people -- who were almost all white.

Still, Scott was one of only a handful of blacks attending the rally sponsored by the newly formed South Carolina Black Conservative Movement.

http://tinyurl.com/36mtqos

So why the headline and why all the bias in the story?

Duh, its AP of course.

109 Voiny at least used to be a tightwad. No more, evidently.

Great someone else up besides the chicken. LOL, I haven't look at his spending habits but with ratings as low as his he had to join in on a lot of those Dem spending bills as well as this tax hike shit he is lying about now. 

110 LOL, some of ya'll will recall the post I did yesterday morning about the girls (22 yo) who left an infant in their car with the windows all rolled up at 3 pm in Darlington, SC while they went shopping.

Well that article in the paper has become a flame war in the comments section between numerous posters and the relatives of the girls.

Some people just don't know when it is best to keep their mouths shut.

111 Rangel at it again. Funneling federal money to a NYC ACORN type organization who is funneling money to a dubious project with a troubled financial history.

NY Post:

http://tinyurl.com/2376ref

112 And that last post concludes my perusal of the news this morning.

There is one more story that the NYP has about Rangel blaming the Republicans on a failure to cut a deal with the ethics commission.

They reference Politico though so it is BS from the get-go.

113
So there you have your unintended consequence of higher fuel efficiency, more people riding the bus, and less people flying.

So Sen dickweed wants to raise our taxes so we can be even more like Europe. That I freakin great.

114 Breaking News on Fox: NK has seized a SK fishing boat.

They are not going to be satisfied until they stir up something or get another major surrender from Obammy.

This is what you get when you have a pussy in the WH.

115 Morning Mallumutt

Looks like nobody up but the chicken and Mr. Quick from OH.

116 oops, Steevo up as well.

117 My Mama used to say "If you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

So I'll just say that Voinovich was not as bad a governor as Taft was.

Of course, Mama's been gone for 20 years, so I'll add that Voinovich always was a piece of shit.  I wouldn't follow that asshole across the street for free beer.

118 yeah, I guess we have to keep the cussin to a minimum today.

119 Morning Herr, I guess its SC and OH taking the lead today. Mallumutt is gonna leave.

120 So yesterday morning wifey says to me "gonna fix the lawn mower readin yer Ace-O-Spades?".

121

I suspect Kim Il Jong seizes them to to try to get his citizens minds off the fact that they are eating boiled rocks.

 

There's nothing wrong with boiled rocks, stupid American!

122 So yesterday morning wifey says to me "gonna fix the lawn mower readin yer Ace-O-Spades?".

Ah, the "Honey Do" list. At least for me doing the lawn is an excuse for drinking beer. With 1.5 acres its at least 4 beers even with a 50" cut.

123

There's nothing wrong with boiled rocks, stupid American!

Posted by: Kim Jong-Il

You will be eating cold rocks when we get done with you.

124 Mornin Vic:

I've despised Voinovich since the day he became governor.  He's the dickhead that started a great state down the slope to what it's become.  We had one of the lowest overall tax loads in the country when he took office.  Now we're mentioned in the same breath as California, Massachusetts, and New Jersey.  Portman will win the Senate seat, and I'm assuming John "Check out the Hair" Kasich will take the governor's seat, although Strickland really hasn't been all that bad, for a Dem, except for this dipshit idea of "high-speed rail", meaning of course an average speed of 34 miles per hour between Cincinnati and Cleveland.  Why they're pushing this boondoggle is beyond me.

125 Ah stupid Amelican, we excuse from carbon penalty by U.N. hahahahahaha

126 Why they're pushing this boondoggle is beyond me.

That is one of Obammy's socialist projects. Not supposed to be any logic to it. 

127 Why they're pushing this boondoggle is beyond me.

That is one of Obammy's socialist projects. Not supposed to be any logic to it.

Kasich is leading slightly, and a good part of the reason is opposition to this.  Ohioans might stupid, but we're not complete droolers, collectively.

128 Actually that is not just an OH thing. They are pushing it all over the country.

It was part of the porkulous bill. Rails that connect not much of anything and will be useless unless you spend a lot more to expand it.

129

You will be eating cold rocks when we get done with you.

No chance, Yankee.  We need those to stone our loose women!

130 Why they're pushing this boondoggle is beyond me.

It is all about inner city gang chapter fraternization.

131  "Due to dwindling fuel tax receipts, Congress has had to transfer billions of dollars from the General Fund to the Highway Trust Fund..."

Ah, so the answer is to make EVERYTHING- cereal, produce, lumber, TV sets, refrigerators, a camping trip with the kids- more expensive.
A fuel tax increases the cost of everydamnthing, and this idiot thinks the American people won't mind.

132 The only reason he made it to the Senate is that the seat has been contested by complete window-lickers on the Dem side, Mary Boyle in 98 and Eric Fingerhut in 04.  But hey, at least we had Mike DeWine!!

133 Sock drawers open again.

134 Posted by: lauraw at August 08, 2010 08:09 AM (DbybK)

Ah but laura, you're missing the real story. There are no "dwindling reciepts". What there is is robbing the highway fund to pay for other boondoggles and rapid transit, like this BS train scheme.

135 Come on, Chewy is spreading the wealth around...to the damn socialist.

136

I've been in Ohio since 1972 and Groin-itch is a worthless RINO fuck.  He would be a Cuyahoga Country drone if it wasn't for the fact that some drunk shithead driving a van hit and killed his young daughter Molly when he was running for mayor against Kucinich.  That turned the votes of the bluehairs away from "that cute little" commie cocksucker over to crying George and, as they say, the rest is history.  He's never met a tax increase he didn't like and has always had the good fortune of never having had a primary challenge (thanks a fucking lot, Ohio Repuke party) or running in the general election against complete idiots.

He used to steer a lot of bidness to his crook brother Paul, who died recently and he's probably retiring because there's nobody left to shovel the pork to.  Regarding comments on the voting breakdown of the state, could somebody explain that asshole twitch Strickland to me?  That fuckstick came from what I thought was a conservative area and he's been completely worthless as a governor.  Truth be known, we haven't had a decent governor since Rhodes.

137 That fuckstick came from what I thought was a conservative area

Portsmouth.  Home of the cousin fuckers.  I think the biggest industry down there now is Lotto sales.  Or maybe trading foodstamps for Oxycontin.

138

Home of the cousin fuckers.

 

Hey, have you seen my cousin?  Smoking hot!

139 Ah, so the answer is to make EVERYTHING- cereal, produce, lumber, TV sets, refrigerators, a camping trip with the kids- more expensive.

For them, that's a feature, not a bug.

140 Alright--off my ass and get ready for some old time religion.  Later folks.

141 For them, that's a feature, not a bug.

Yep, increase the transportation tax the sales tax and future VAT automatically go up.

142 Vic @ 143- that's just adding injury to injury...

143 Lovely morning! The L.A. Slimes wants the Terrorist Center mosque built near Ground Zero -- we must have tolerance! -- and Rangel is participating in yet another ripoff scheme while awaiting his punishing tap on the wrist from the House. Big article in the local rag today about the zillions of US citizens born to illegals at a big hospital in town.

Oh, well. Haven't seen Osama Obama's face on the tube yet today. And he won't be at the NASCAR race I'll watch later, so I won't see him there....

Congress isn't in session today! We may get through this Sunday without having our taxes raised or any new infringements of our Constitutional liberties ordered.

144 I supported the bastard in Ohio but he is part of the rot of the Ohio GOP.

145 that's just adding injury to injury...

Bingo, I want to puke every time I hear them talking about poor infrastructure.

146 ya'll have fun in church. We'll get the Monty book thread.

147 Using highway funds to build a train that may or may not be utilized by many makes zero sense when they should be fixing roads that many many more utilize.  It's a safety thing too.

The train thing is new and hasn't got off the ground yet. Where a lot of the money has gone is the mandatory 20% that goes to urban area mass transit.

Read that to mean fungible money that based for subways and buses so that the receipts from those can be funneled to other cash cows the socialists like.

148 Posted by: CDR M at August 08, 2010 08:36 AM

This doesn't strike me as being as bad as the "high-speed" rail line the loons in CA want to build, and for which the citizens have already authorized at least one hefty bond issue on top of funds ordered up by legislators.

Speeds (supposedly) of 200 mph or more, running from San Diego to Sacramento -- at least it'll get illegals from the border to the heartland quickly, even if no one else but gubmint workers want to go anywhere near Sacto -- while apparently pretty much bypassing L.A., and running through the state's biggest earthquake fault zone. What could go wrong?

149

Oh, well. Haven't seen Osama Obama's face on the tube yet today. And he won't be at the NASCAR race I'll watch later, so I won't see him there....

Watkins Glen.  I love the road courses.

150 Posted by: J. Pinkerton Snoopington at August 08, 2010 08:47 AM (Ulu3i)

That one is also part of the porkulous that I referenced above.

As I said, it is all over the country. There is one in FL as well.

151 Here is an article and a map

http://tinyurl.com/34gg6r2

8B for high speed rail, but keep in mind that this only pays for short blocks between two local areas.  The States would have to fork over big piles of money to complete all these "green" lines shown on the map.

Obammy gets more union jobs, more money spent by the government therefore more taxes and he claim "green green green" all the way to bankruptcy. 

152 Voinovick

Nice work if you can get it. IF you can get it.

Those who did have jobs during the last Great Depression had it so good.

153 O/T How did Ted Olson turn into such a fuckhead on gay marriage?

154 mornin' all
yeah, at a different time and under different circumstances, I might favor government spending on high-speed rail - I have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for trains myself, and I do think it could do a lot to alleviate airline traffic and improve safety overall for long-distance transportation, with fewer people driving over relatively more dangerous interstate highways.

BUT - under the current situation?  No way, as (1) we are BROKE and (2) the "high-speed rail" we are talking about isn't all that high-speed, it's just a slightly faster version of Amtrak

so I'll pass, thankyouverymuch

155 Captain Hate, Ted Olson has always been a gay marriage supporter, so he didn't have to turn into anything.

156 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2010 08:48 AM

Road courses are the best thing about NASCAR these days. Usually good, close racin' and a place for drivers new to the series to stand out. Wish they'd run top-line cars at Elkhart Lake and Laguna Seca without ordering track changes that would make those tracks as sterile as some of the ovals....

I don't like the new wide runoffs areas at Watkins Glen. They have become part of the racing line, and thus defeat the purpose for which they were installed.

Oh, well. I remember watching the NASCAR gang at Riverside, CA back in the 1960s and '70s. Them ole boys had lots of trouble getting around there. Great fun, and the Fords, Shivolays, etc. actually almost looked like the ones in the showrooms!

157 How long before we see "marriages" between groups of people (3 or more) or people and animals or things. 

158 172 How long before we see "marriages" between groups of people (3 or more) or people and animals or things.

Marriages to things?  Wow what a great idea.  I think I'd like to marry a keg of beer.  The divorce would be easy and painless.

159
Between now and November, the democrats are going to toss out some crazy desperation into the ring.  Obama will push a new law that forgives everyone's debt. 

Never mind the consequences.

160 yeah, at a different time and under different circumstances, I might favor government spending on high-speed rail

The way I look at it, if it was good thing and viable, private industry would have already built it.

The government with the unions has basically destroyed the railroad industry in the U.S. The railway union should be abolished and all subsidies to AMTRAC eliminated and let the chips fall where they may. 

161 Olson looked like a character out of the Muppets on FNS.  I can't imagine being around him and not feeling creeped out, at least by the weird cadences of his sentences.

162 heh  - trying to shoot out train wheels?  what's in the bullets, molten iron?  that's about what it would take

163 Yeah, but do you get to keep the tap though?

That's the job of a properly-worded pre-nup.

164
Comparing gay people to kegs of beer, animals, and inanimate objects is insulting, and tired.

I know, I used to do it too.

165 Dear Sen. Voinovich:Maybe if Congress and the administration would stop destroying jobs, more people would be working, and buying gas to get to work, thus bringing up the funds available for infrastructure work.

166 The way I look at it, if it was good thing and viable, private industry would have already built it.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2010 09:15 AM

Cripes, Vic, that salmonella must have affected your mind!

"Private industry" doing anything on its own is so, well, 20th Century. These days, only fools and a few bitter clingers operate under that philosophy. Why build a rail line, sports stadium or anything else without gubmint "help?"

Next thing, you're going to tell us high taxes and massive public handouts are Bad, that the unfortunates who bought houses they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out....

You must be a subversive. Or running a high fever.

167

Comparing gay people to kegs of beer, animals, and inanimate objects is insulting, and tired.

 

I did not do that.  If "marriage" is no longer one man and one woman, what is it?  I really love my dog.  Can I "marry" her?  I really love pizza and beer.  How about "marrying" pizza and beer.  The Hooters girls.... all of them.  Heteros have done a fine job over the last 50 years in ruining the state of "marriage", but I believe that overturning prop 8 and other such measures are basically putting the spike into the institution of marriage. 

168
I did not do that.  If "marriage" is no longer one man and one woman, what is it?  I really love my dog.  Can I "marry" her?  I really love pizza and beer.  How about "marrying" pizza and beer.  The Hooters girls.... all of them.  Heteros have done a fine job over the last 50 years in ruining the state of "marriage", but I believe that overturning prop 8 and other such measures are basically putting the spike into the institution of marriage.


OK.

169 Why build a rail line, sports stadium or anything else without gubmint "help?"

Yeah, it will be interesting to see if the Republicans we get in will squash that kind of shit or if they will go back to the crap they were doing since the Gingrich congress got ousted.

170 27 - Also, as a result of cars getting better gas mileage (a government mandate), the state of California was seeing a drop in revenues from their state gas tax. Solution - switch over to a tax based on the number of miles driven between fill ups.  And to accomplish this they were able to get people to voluntarily (as a part of a "pilot project") install a transponder in their cars that could be read by meters at the gas station.

171

Fuck Voinovich

That cocksucker is retiring with two different taxpayer funded pensions, not to mention the healthcare plan these fuckers provided for themselves at our expense.

He is retiring...but you can count on him to vote for crap and tax should the Jackassocrats try to force it through. They would also have Miss Lindsey Graham, The Maverick, Murkowski, Scott Fucking Brown and the Maine sisters on board.

If they fucking do this...we'll move past Caddell's pre-revolutionary stage

172 The reason High speed rail works really well in Japan is readily apparent by looking at a map. All the major population and industrial centers lined up on the coasts. The mountainous interioir only gets the local rail lines. If you wanted to put a Shinkansen-type rail line in the US, your best bet would be between DC and Boston, and the California Coast (San Diego to San Francisco)

173 Yeah, it will be interesting to see if the Republicans we get in will squash that kind of shit or if they will go back to the crap they were doing since the Gingrich congress got ousted.

The problem is the way the money works these days if you want to have enough to run your campaign you need to dole goodies out to unions, contractors, and various community-organizer-type groups.  The Republicans won't change things unless voters make it clear they will be ignoring the 15 second spots and paying attention to where the tax money is going.

174 If you wanted to put a Shinkansen-type rail line in the US, your best bet would be between DC and Boston, and the California Coast (San Diego to San Francisco)

Problem is they can't use existing rights-of-way, so it's gonna be enormously expensive.  And those kinds of projects need subsidy forever, too.  If you charge what it actually costs to run, nobody will ride it.

175
Separating marriage and state.  An idea whose time has come?

176

I did not do that.  If "marriage" is no longer one man and one woman, what is it?  I really love my dog.  Can I "marry" her?  I really love pizza and beer.  How about "marrying" pizza and beer.  The Hooters girls.... all of them.  Heteros have done a fine job over the last 50 years in ruining the state of "marriage", but I believe that overturning prop 8 and other such measures are basically putting the spike into the institution of marriage. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 08, 2010 09:28 AM (yQWNf)

Not to disagree with you, but the "marry my dog" argument falls apart because it's not between two consenting adults.  That said, the polygamy issue is out there unrefuted and has even existed historically and doesn't call for redefining words.  Too bad that dumbfuck Chris Wallace didn't choose to ask Olson about this and let him try to explicate how that is ruled out.

177 And to accomplish this they were able to get people to voluntarily (as a part of a "pilot project") install a transponder in their cars that could be read by meters at the gas station.

The problem I have seen with this proposed "switchover" is that it isn't a "switchover" at all. Its the old bait and switch more than switchover. They wish to add the "miles driven tax" to the already existing fuel tax.

Never ever vote for a tax increase or a tax "replacement" unless an ironclad unbreakable rule is put in place that keeps the "replaced tax" from being brought back.

178 I'll be glad in January when Crybaby Voinovich finally leaves the Senate.  I just wish he'd take Lindsey and the RINO broads from Maine with him.

179 The Republicans won't change things unless voters make it clear they will be ignoring the 15 second spots and paying attention to where the tax money is going.

If R's win big, I think it's safe to say that they will be getting scrutinized, fact-checked, corrected as needed, and frisked down daily both by the media and the street-level republican base that elected them.

180 If R's win big, I think it's safe to say that they will be getting scrutinized, fact-checked, corrected as needed, and frisked down daily both by the media and the street-level republican base that elected them.

Posted by: lauraw at August 08, 2010 09:45 AM (DbybK)

Damn I hope so. If they go back to doing what they did during the past 12 to 18 years they will be destroyed as a Party and we will have permanent communist majorities until we can build a third Party up to take their place.  

181

Not to disagree with you, but the "marry my dog" argument falls apart because it's not between two consenting adults

What about your siblings...or your children?? They can be consenting adults. Would that be OK???

Sorry...but marriage is a social construct born out of biology...and in my opinion anything that deviates from one man/one woman bastardizes the concept and makes it meaningless.

182

What about your siblings...or your children?? They can be consenting adults. Would that be OK???

Posted by: beedubya at August 08, 2010 09:56 AM (AnTyA)

Of course it wouldn't be ok; I don't think anything I stated could be reasonably interpreted as supporting that.

183 Posted by: Captain Hate at August 08, 2010 09:41 AM

The answer to all this "marry a beer keg/animal/sibling" stuff is simple:

Move to Japan, and marry a robot or a Sim.

184 Roads fail from two causes - weathering and traffic. The traffic part is interesting - a 40 ton 18 wheeler does hundreds to thousands of times the damage of car/SUV. Damage goes as the cube of axle weight - give or take, not an exact formula by any means. Rail freight is up because it is more efficient and that doesn't include the hidden subsidy car drivers give the big trucks - we gave the railroads all the subsidies in the 19th century and still do for commuter rail - a stupid idea anywhere but the NE corridor. Still pales compared to the big rig subsidy.

Back on topic - it still is a tax - if it were a rational user fee, big rigs would pay a lot more per gallon into the highway fund. Our roads and bridges are in terrible shape locally. For more than a decade, one of our interstates' overpasses was largely held up by giant pressure treated wood columns and girders. We still have a truck detour on I95 around a bridge that was so rusted it couldn't take the weight cycling of trucks - the tipping point there was a crack a few feet long. Old. Worn out. Need new. Don't need bike paths and light rail funded by automotive taxes - you riders should fund them your own damn selves.

185 The answer to all this "marry a beer keg/animal/sibling" stuff is simple:

Move to Japan, and marry a robot or a Sim.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2010 10:08 AM (Ulu3i)

That might be a solution, except that Japan is not nearly as irresponsible and stupid in printing Japanese citizenships for the whole world as the US is ... though they might be happy to start churning out marriage certificates for aliens and robots ... just for the hell of it.

186 Back on topic - it still is a tax - if it were a rational user fee, big rigs would pay a lot more per gallon into the highway fund. Our roads and bridges are in terrible shape locally.

What you are missing and what I keep posting on this thread is that there is no need for any of the roads and bridges to be deteriorating.  There is ample money being collected from the various highway tax items that are supposed to go towards road/bridge maintenance.

The problem is they are spending it on other things and then saying look "we need more road taxes".

it is the same bait and switch crap they do every time the economy goes downhill; need more taxes or we'll lay off cops and firemen. Then when economy recovers they increase social spending.

187 The problem is they are spending it on other things and then saying look "we need more road taxes".

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2010 10:20 AM (/jbAw)

Yep.  Just as they did with that $250 billion extorted from the tobacco companies, ostensibly to use to fund other health insurance that the pols wanted (even though smokers cost less, in health care, than others, as cigarette smokers die younger and quicker than normal people).  That money just disappeared into everything but health insurance for anyone.  ... So they hiked cigarette taxes, again, and started in with a second suit to extort even more.

188

Of course it wouldn't be ok; I don't think anything I stated could be reasonably interpreted as supporting that

Obviously. 

I was just making the point that the concept of "consenting adults" argument fall flat

189 Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 08, 2010 10:16 AM

Killjoy.

And here I was, all ready to head for Nippon and a life of wedded bliss with one of those big-eyed chicas from a Sim game I once saw....

190 OT: Interesting NYC mosque development from the NY Post:

Half-baked mosque

Developer owns only part of site

Not so fast.

The developers of the controversial mosque proposed near Ground Zero own only half the site where they want to construct the $100 million building, The Post has learned.

One of the two buildings on Park Place is owned by Con Edison, even though Soho Properties told officials and the public that it owns the entire parcel. And any potential sale by Con Ed faces a review by the state Public Service Commission.

“We never heard anything about Con Ed whatsoever,” said a stunned Julie Menin, the chairwoman of Community Board 1, which passed a May resolution supporting the mosque.

http://tinyurl.com/2dx4daw

191

I was just making the point that the concept of "consenting adults" argument fall flat

Posted by: beedubya at August 08, 2010 10:26 AM (AnTyA)

I get a kick out of the fact that liberals will try to force condoms to be handed out to 12 year olds, but then those same liberals will argue that the condom receiving 12 year olds can't be consenting adults to marriage (even as they're being encouraged to have sex by the liberals) and therefore marriage to children could never possibly be argued using the same basis that libs use to tear 'marriage' to shreds.  It's almost funny.  Almost.

192 #4, my little burb in Ca. pulled the same trick--forced us to conserve, then charged us more because their revenues were down. I'm sure city managers tell each other these kind of tricks at their confabs. F them.

Also, our local civic building turned down its air conditioning to be "green". One Monday morning, they opened up the valves to fire it up again and blew out all the pipes! The only good news was it gave local contractors a heap of money to repair the pipes and clean up the ocean in the basement of the building.  F them too.

193 Vic@10:20

Didn't miss it at all. I want to pay proportionately lower fuel taxes and have fewer 18 wheelers in my way - send the heavy crap by rail. Love it when I can't see more than a K'worth bumper in my rear view mirror and wonder whether the driver is all amped up or half asleep. The road repairs will be funded somehow - let the carless urban dwellers pick up more of their share of transporting their daily necessities through higher fees on that transport. 

I have no idea whether the Highway Trust Fund has enough money even if all the money only went to legitimate highway needs. Roads and bridges are damn expensive where they are needed most.

194 so, the bottom line is: i can't marry a beer keg?

195 so, the bottom line is: i can't marry a beer keg?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2010 11:00 AM (Pm5H

No, but a civil union with one is ok.

196

I will give it my full blessing Chemjeff.

197 so, the bottom line is: i can't marry a beer keg?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2010 11:00 AM

I'd worry about the marriage losing that certain "something" after a while. Beer goes flat, you know; no more of that lovely "head."

198

Tami, great link from the Post. Thank you.

From the NY Post article linked: El-Gamal told The Post his long-term lease was equivalent to ownership (really?) and that it even allowed him to demolish the building (Con Ed might think differently). Still, he said, he was determined to buy the property. “The cost is not an issue,” he said.
  The cost is not an issue. Really. 1) Money from Saudi Arabia.  This mosque is a political act, not one of freedom of religion. 2) This is very much another cultural assault on the very Constitutional rights being ballyhooed that are trying to be protected. Warfare by other means.   Lastly, I'm from Ohio (lived here all my life, all over the state), and know some of the political prinicples involved.  All I can say is it's time for George to retire, which he is doing.  It could be worse (Howard Metzenbaum, grrrrr!, or Joel Hyatt, his imbecile son-in-law), as Ohio Dan mentioned  who George's opposition was in the last two Senate races.   Like Vic said, Ohio is a "purple" state, with the inner urban areas trending Democrat and the suburbs and rural areas trending Republican. And Coleman as Mayor of Columbus has turned into a jerk (and his drunken wife, heh).  He'll be Mayor for as long as he wants, because the Dispatch (crappy newspaper that it is) carries water for him and  would empty his drool bucket if asked.
 

199 What about the phrase "rolled over the will of the American people" (Pence) do the meet the depressed panelists not get, seems pretty self explanatory to most people.  Upon the utterance of said phrase David Gregory said "well that is debatable" and "let's move on".   Aren't there tons of polls indicating that "rolled over the will of the American people" isn't really debatable at all?

200 Maria Bartiromo (who had a bit part in last night's movie, the other guys" has Rick Santelli on her show on NBC...The Wall Street Journal Report!

201 Santelli "what I like to call the "SCI" , saved created or imagined".....saying the governments own reports are not clear.

202

Howard Metzenbaum, grrrrr!, or Joel Hyatt, his imbecile son-in-law

Few things in politics have given me as much pleasure as watching that smarmy fuck Hyatt's campaign go down in the most completely tone-deaf flames I've ever witnessed.  I hope Satan makes Howard relive that as he's shredding his asshole with his barbed cock.

203 Near where I live on the Northern California coastside, a new highway tunnel is going in. It cost $110M to build, with generous federal grants.

A surface bypass would have cost less than one-third of that to construct. And if the federal teat had been cut off, the surface road would have been built instead of the tunnel.

Why throw away money we don't have on an unnecessary tunnel?

A sop to the environmentalists, who claimed a surface road would be horribly damaging to the environment (the area through which it would run is scrubby rocky wasteland not noted for biodiversity), and to the trades unions, who of course realized that the fat price tag of a tunnel meant more boodle siphoned into their pockets.

THAT circus is the sort of thing which federal gas taxes enable. Don't fall for it.

204

Somebody say beer keg?  Got mine chilling right now.

After watching just 30 seconds of the new ABC christianaamapoor show, I am looking forward to a beer this afternoon.  What a shell of a Sunday news show from Brinkley and now to this - arrggh. 

On a separate note, Chris Wallace is keeping Juan Williams in check, fairly funny to watch Juan getting shut down, not sure the dems want to do away with the filibuster, that's their style, at least on MSM.

 

205 27 26- Didn't power companies in California have to raise rates recently, because power usage was down, and they needed revenue? Logic is not just hard, it's elusive too.

Our brilliant government in Oregon has been preaching green jobs/green energy/ hybrid cars and all that bullshit for years.  So what so they do when they find out higher mileage cars result in less gas tax reciepts?  They propose equipping these cars with GPS so the government can track where they have been driving and send them a bill in the mail, thus destroying the whole incentive of owning one of these cars in the first place.

206 69 Hey poster, I was wondering if it was possible for you to post something a little more literate. Calling people drooling idiots or whatever doesn't seem like much of a debating point.

Posted by: Me at August 08, 2010 02:35 AM (Lug+6)

 

Your, um, request was a non sequitur, consistent with your history of making assumptions, conjectures and accusations which are not supported by the facts.

Wasn't looking for a debate, dimwit. Simply expressed an opinion. If you disagree, that is your prerogative.

BTW, I'm not criticizing your bizarre rationales, just your inability to mind your own business and your compulsion to start fights with other posters on senseless and petty pretexts.

 _{(All of which is a nice way of saying, go fuck yourself. Is that "literate" enough for you?)}

 

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Errr, Chief, would you believe...when we force you to buy insurance, well that's actually a tax, so it's okay!  If we raise taxes on gasoline, well, that's not really a tax, it's a fee!  See how easy this is!   Tax, fee, tax, fee!  Hey, let's put a toll on every road in the country and call them admission tickets!   Your income taxes will be raised, but we'll just call them National Service Donations.  After all this, we'll tell them we have completely eliminated taxes!  And then we can say the Republicans were against eliminating taxes!  Ha!

208 Face it .. this is an attempt to make a sow’s ear into a purse .. it’s a repackage of a “carbon tax”.
… and George Vionovich … is as amusing as a “Slinky” .. he will make you laugh when pushed down a flight of stairs.

209 My big question is, who are Voinovich's "conservative" colleagues in Congress who agree with him that a gas tax hike is a good idea? Inquiring Minds (and Voters) Want To Know.

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Voinovoich is afflicted with cranial-rectal inversion disease.  Unfortunately, we have several politicians in the state of Ohio with that condition. Kucinich, Sutton, and Brown all need a tript to the proctologist for a head extraction.

211 When was that?