September 30, 2010
— Ace Some guy named DrewM. writing over at the New Ledger.
Here's Friedman:
[W]hat is America’s core competency and strategic advantage, and how do we nurture it? Answer: It is our ability to attract, develop and unleash creative talent. That means men and women who invent, build and sell more goods and services that make people’s lives more productive, healthy, comfortable, secure and entertained than any other country.Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates more of that talent and then enacts the laws, regulations and budgets that empower that talent to take its products and services to scale, sell them around the world — and create good jobs here in the process. Without that, we can’t afford the health care or defense we need.
This is the plan the real Tea Party wants from its president. To implement it would require us to actually raise some taxes — on, say, gasoline — and cut others — like payroll taxes and corporate taxes. It would require us to overhaul our immigration laws so we can better control our borders, let in more knowledge workers and retain those skilled foreigners going to college here. And it would require us to reduce some services — like Social Security — while expanding others, like education and research for a 21st-century economy.
By "Real Tea Party" he means liberals such as himself who want higher taxes and an economy planned by people who went to good schools.
Drew's response:
Memo to Tom: the tea party movement in general terms isnÂ’t about government plans, unless itÂ’s a plan to shrink government....
I just love how Friedman absolutely inverts the fundamental principles of the tea party and then has the audacity to say to them,Â’ this new set of values, completely contrary to your own, is what you really wantÂ’.
David Frum used to knock the conservative base as the "Say It Louder" brigade -- that is, confronted with setback, our response was just to say, "Say it even louder this time."
What is Friedman doing apart from that (or any liberal, for that matter)? Confronted with a serious-minded political movement that's insisting on genuine change, what does Friedman do? What do any of them do? They say it louder.
And think they can convince us that the "Real Tea Party" should be supporting statism and even China-style corporate communism. (I mention the latter because we know what a fan of the Chinese dictatorship Friedman is.)
This is their idea of accommodating new ideas: Rejecting them entirely and just trotting out the same old tired failed policies of the past four years of Democratic rule.
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Posted by: Tom Friedman at September 30, 2010 11:16 AM (5aa4z)
You can't write better government propaganda that that
Posted by: Jimi Hendrix at September 30, 2010 11:18 AM (tE8FB)
Posted by: Dan at September 30, 2010 11:19 AM (1jzSs)
Posted by: Zombie James Madison at September 30, 2010 11:19 AM (5aa4z)
Tom Friedman's house Knock knock. -- Who's there? Neo-communist in big house spouting crap.
Paul Krugman and Tom Friedman should be laughed off the stage.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2010 11:20 AM (0fzsA)
You understate it.
Since the 1930's, America has been governed by "progressives". Occasionally Republicans were elected who promised to govern as Americans, but they still bowed to the "progressive" rhetoric. Government just keeps getting bigger; budgets never shrink; only rarely do they admit they had no authority and stop trying to run some part of our lives.
For 40 years, Americans weren't even allowed to brew beer for themselves -- despite it being a common and simple practice. But the minimal relaxation of federal power, graciously granting us permission to make our own beer (with strict limits on how much, and how you can share it with others) led to an explosion of micro-breweries, generating thousands of jobs around the nation.
Now, imagine if the government loosened its grip in other areas...
Posted by: The Revenge Society at September 30, 2010 11:22 AM (ZJ/un)
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Are you dissing Ace here? j/k
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at September 30, 2010 11:22 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 30, 2010 11:22 AM (0GFWk)
Oh, DIAF already, you galloping ignoramus. Government attracts and educates more of that talent? Only to the detriment of the private sector, from which revenue to pay for the gubmint talent must come.
Red China - he's still luvin' it!
Posted by: ya2daup at September 30, 2010 11:22 AM (7GfKM)
The non-moronic way of saying that Friedman wants to trot out the same pig but with a different shade of lipstick.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at September 30, 2010 11:23 AM (/U/Mr)
Aren't his 15 minutes over yet?
Posted by: Drinky Crow at September 30, 2010 11:24 AM (mAm+G)
Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates more of that talent and then enacts the laws, regulations and budgets that empower that talent to take its products and services to scale, sell them around the world — and create good jobs here in the process.
Government: The Engine of Prosperity
Posted by: Cicero at September 30, 2010 11:25 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 30, 2010 11:25 AM (MTnNh)
Posted by: ya2daup at September 30, 2010 11:26 AM (7GfKM)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 30, 2010 11:27 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2010 11:27 AM (RD7QR)
Hell, even Castro has said it is a failure. The only place left in the world where communism is on the rise is in the U.S...........until now.
People have had enough.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2010 11:27 AM (/jbAw)
I don't remember Friedman being such a doucebag during Clinton's presidency. Seems like he was fairly reasonable. Am I remembering that wrong?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 30, 2010 11:28 AM (g6ajN)
Friedman's blather has the sound of desperation, like he's trying to change the course of the stampede at the last second before he's trampled.
He's got the same problem all of the elites have. He's convinced of it himself, but he just can't quite get people to see that he's as smart as he thinks he is.
Keep at it Tom. At least it will give you something to do.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 30, 2010 11:28 AM (RkRxq)
This is the plan the real Tea Party wants from its president. To implement it would require us to actually raise some taxes — on, say, gasoline — and cut others — like payroll taxes and corporate taxes. It would require us to overhaul our immigration laws so we can better control our borders, let in more knowledge workers and retain those skilled foreigners going to college here. And it would require us to reduce some services — like Social Security — while expanding others, like education and research for a 21st-century economy.
Dat be some funny shit rite thar chillin'.
Posted by: maddogg at September 30, 2010 11:29 AM (OlN4e)
A couple of my friends moved to Hong Kong about 6 months ago. The couple both enjoy an active lifestyle. Anyway, after they get home from a walk in the city, their clothes are so foul with industrial pollution that they have to peel them off and throw them in the laundry immediately.
You know - since China is so clean and fresh and modern. Unlike neanderthal America.
The Chinese communists pollute the entire globe, and Tom Friedman is fine with it.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2010 11:29 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 30, 2010 11:30 AM (RkRxq)
Meet the MK 110:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBPGfCq21s
Posted by: CUS at September 30, 2010 11:30 AM (wOGfT)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 30, 2010 11:30 AM (MTnNh)
Here, let me nurture some creativity upside your f*ckin' heads to remind you.
Posted by: Union Boss at September 30, 2010 11:31 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: New Ledger readers & Charles Gibson at September 30, 2010 11:31 AM (pfStM)
Exactly!
Who knows how many Einsteins we could be keeping out if we tried to enforce our southern border?
Posted by: Ear Leader at September 30, 2010 11:31 AM (BP6Z1)
how the U.S. government attracts and educates
Yeah, like all the talent in any federal office you have ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
Posted by: Dang Straights at September 30, 2010 11:31 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: John Galt at September 30, 2010 11:32 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2010 11:34 AM (be1bi)
Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates more of that talent and then enacts the laws, regulations and budgets
Does anyone else find that sentence absolutely infuriating? Damn freidman needs some wall-to-wall counseling on totalitarianism.
Posted by: Dang Straights at September 30, 2010 11:34 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 30, 2010 11:35 AM (g6ajN)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 30, 2010 11:35 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: cali grump at September 30, 2010 11:35 AM (hL0k8)
This is something I don't think the left is getting. Its not just that we are upset at the profligate spending and other crap coming out of DC, but that we are willing to nominate and elect just about anybody to change the nature of DC.
The citizens that can see and hear are telling the DC blind and deaf that a train is coming and trying to pull them off the tracks, but they just keep on walking towards destruction.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2010 11:36 AM (btiSt)
wow, no wonder this administration is crashing into the furniture and pee'ng on the floor. These people are their deep thinkers.
nov. 2nd hurry up!
can we turn this disaster around? I'm serious what..
we can defund. we can do what else? do we have a concise list of steps to derail this crap?
ugh, i'm eeyore-ing
Posted by: willow at September 30, 2010 11:37 AM (8fK1n)
Yes, I actually remember some of my college German.
Yes, that probably makes me a bad person.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at September 30, 2010 11:37 AM (GBXon)
Friedman speaks in Theor-ese.
He's a two-bit philosopher. A bloviator. A campus wonk.
Friedman's 'ideas' are what college sophomores think of while writing essays for their humanities courses.
Posted by: Soothsayer in Chief at September 30, 2010 11:37 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 30, 2010 11:38 AM (zqzYV)
a middle of the week middle of the day thread?
Screw that, there's college football on tonight, this is the weekend buddy.
Posted by: Dang Straights at September 30, 2010 11:39 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: jas at September 30, 2010 11:42 AM (ZM2Bn)
Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates more of that talent and then enacts the laws, regulations and budgets that empower that talent to take its products and services to scale, sell them around the world — and create good jobs here in the process. Without that, we can’t afford the health care or defense we need.
"Cloward and Pivan" is still raping our economy, but "Alinsky" has fucked these people over big-time.
Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2010 11:42 AM (be1bi)
Thanks Drew:
I just read the TF columb in my local Dog Trainer, and needed to deconstruct each sentance down to figure out why it was wrong. Thanks for summing it up.
Posted by: Picric at September 30, 2010 11:47 AM (Y1etz)
Okay, nothing seriously wrong there. Now for the next paragraph.
Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates
more of that talent and then enacts the laws, regulations and budgets
that empower that talent to take its products and services to scale,
sell them around the world — and create good jobs here in the process.
Without that, we canÂ’t afford the health care or defense we need.
Given the bang-up job most if not all US government endeavors turn out, this statement is laughable. And what has been noted here time and time again, much better than I can put it now, is that the best way to unleash such talent in individuals is to get the government out of the way.
btw, Tom, "health care" is not a responsibility of the government. The greatest thing about our Constitution and the Bill of Rights is that our rights aren't predicated on the government having to do a single thing for us to have them. "Health care" as a "right" means that I have to give up liberties and money to somebody else for them to have this "right", which means it isn't a natural right at all.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2010 11:52 AM (9hSKh)
This is laughable on so many levels it's difficult to know where to start.
First; it is precisely government interference in the private sector that stifles innovation. There are a few examples of government innovation; the best is probably the Manhattan Project, but one could argue that with the proper incentives the private sector could have created the atomic bomb; maybe even quicker and less expensively.
Second; I defy this smarmy little cocksucker to show us even one example of the leadership (read: Congress and Obama) acting as the catalyst for creation. He will trot out green energy, but that has been debunked as a huge money sink, without any positive cash flow. There simply are no other examples. Every time that government tries to favor an industry, a process, or anything created by man, it simple creates an unbalanced market that distorts everything around it. Anyone remember ethanol as the savior of America?
Third: Oh, fuck it. Fuck you Thomas Friedman. Go back to your McMansion and your ivory tower and your condescension that just oozes out of you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at September 30, 2010 11:53 AM (LH6ir)
I would love to know how that shlub can afford that ridiculous home he creeps around in...maybe he married wealthy, but it's a ridiculous place.
What a dickhead.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Caan at September 30, 2010 11:55 AM (tcSZb)
Now, that's bullshit right there.
Posted by: Tom Carnahan at September 30, 2010 11:56 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2010 03:29 PM (0fzsA)
Then it's official: Flathead is the NYT's Walter Duranty for a new century.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2010 11:56 AM (hRNYI)
Amen. Better yet, Thomas Friedman should move to that utopia that is China and see for himself the wonders their "corporate communism" (I'm stealing that, btw) has bestowed on the people.
Here's my Ace-style rebuttal to Tho-Mao Zedong-man - Shut the fuck up!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2010 11:57 AM (9hSKh)
One Meme of the Progresive movement, that really needs to be countered, is the idea that the Government is an entity unto itself... one with Wants, desires, and goals... which leads to a Government having RIGHTS.
Anytime I hear someone say "its in the US Governments interest to", I cringe... becaue the US Government is a THING, not a person... and its "interests" should be nothing more than to keep out of the way of a FREE PEOPLE.
Even on Conservative Social Policy, like Marriage... I hear its in the Governments interest to promote Family and Marriage... and I must ask... how would a nonthinking THING have interests, and HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
Its called projection... where you put YOUR interests and beliefs onto a non thinking thing, in order to promote your own Personal Agenda.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 30, 2010 12:00 PM (AdK6a)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 30, 2010 12:01 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Tom Friedman at September 30, 2010 12:03 PM (5aa4z)
Ace, great post, Drew great post. Now get back to work.
What better than Thomas Friedman to sound off against the Tea Party movement? Friedman is a first tier elitist and media smarm who comes across as a self-loathing individual stylized in the mold of Welcome Back Kotter's Arnold Horshack . . . but in Friedman's case, he really thinks he's the cool Freddie 'Boom Boom' Percy Washington. A fool trying to play cool is double the laughter and in that regard . . . Friedman is a veritable 2 for 1 special.
Friedman hails from the Minneapolis suburb of St. Louis Park - the same burb that produced Al Franken. Useless knowledge? You betcha!
Posted by: journolist at September 30, 2010 12:05 PM (O/NP5)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at September 30, 2010 12:08 PM (LH6ir)
Answer: It is our ability to attract, develop and unleash creative talent. That means men and women who invent, build and sell more goods and services that make peopleÂ’s lives more productive, healthy, comfortable, secure and entertained than any other country.
And clearly the way to nurture this "core competency" is through a heavy handed, centralized, top-down command economy.
Everyone knows that nothing nurtures creativity like inflexible rules, unmanageable red tape, and punishment of success.
Posted by: Warden at September 30, 2010 12:14 PM (QoR4a)
I guess isolating yourself from the world in a McMansion can have the effect of making you forget that the Soviet Union failed, some time back as it turns out.
Or, he's just a print & paper concern troll.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 30, 2010 12:18 PM (bxiXv)
How can you take a movement seriously that says it wants to cut government spending by billions of dollars but won’t identify the specific defense programs, Social Security, Medicare or other services it’s ready to cut — let alone explain how this will make us more competitive and grow the economy?
*cough*
You have to pass the bill to see what's in the bill, cocksucker.
Now fetch me a juice box. Wonton flavored.
Posted by: Warden at September 30, 2010 12:23 PM (QoR4a)
My wife learned this lesson while doing some pressure cooking. She had seen me do 3/4 full boil cooking vice steam cooking before and decided to take a crack at it. She failed to turn the heat down from high when the hula dancer lifted as I had been careful to do every time I cooked this way. Fortunately she was not injured when the seal broke and released super heated flashing dinner all over the kitchen.
So this liberal "their just letting off steam" meme; I wonder if they have ever asked themselves how high that steam pressure really is and what is going to happen if they keep the heat on.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 30, 2010 12:28 PM (0q2P7)
How cute. Thomas Friedman's in-laws are billionaires who aren't terribly fond of paying all those higher taxes Friedman wishes to impose on us.
Posted by: Warden at September 30, 2010 12:28 PM (QoR4a)
b) we are Americans, we are not protofascists who long to be ruled by ubermensches because
c) a free government of just laws does not need experts to pull the levers and switches of government.
We ordinary folk can govern ourselves, Mr. Friedman.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2010 12:28 PM (EBO4y)
In the squish mitten
Posted by: Rocks at September 30, 2010 03:15 PM (Q1lie)
________________
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Posted by: Anachronda at September 30, 2010 12:30 PM (NmR1a)
So far so good until this:
Leadership today is about how the U.S. government attracts and educates ....
A teacher I know showed me this trick that proves 1=2. The mathematical sleight is toward the middle when he divides by zero. That's an invalid step that also invalidates everything that follows.
That's what Friedman did when he equated leadership with government action. Everything after that phrase is just intellectual-sounding jibberish.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 30, 2010 12:36 PM (sWynj)
we are Americans, we are not protofascists who long to be ruled by ubermensches because
we r Mercians, we r not pro... pro...protofashistz who long 2 B ruleed by ooo... oooo....oooburrr-mensas
Posted by: How Tom Friedman Heard It at September 30, 2010 12:48 PM (QoR4a)
"[W]hat is AmericaÂ’s core competency and strategic advantage, and how do we nurture it? Answer: It is our ability to attract, develop and unleash creative talent. "
No, Tom. The answer is freedom. Freedom.
Freedom is why we attract the creative talent to our shores. Here, in America, people have traditionally had the opportunity to be innovative and successful without some bureaucrat gumming up the works. Or, you know, breaking down the doors at night and hauling dissenters off to some remote secret prison.
That's why people have put their life in jeapordy to come here. The freedom. Not to be developed and unleashed by some monstrous government planning agency funded by a staggering tax burden. To live free lives in which they might develop and unleash themselves.
Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at September 30, 2010 12:57 PM (dUunI)
Posted by: MarkD at September 30, 2010 01:11 PM (YhZfg)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team at September 30, 2010 01:23 PM (eCAn3)
"If you think you hate it now, wait til you drive it home!"
Posted by: Bitsko at September 30, 2010 03:15 PM (8/KZN)
Fine, Tom...you want our plan? Our real, complete, ultimate plan, laid out in such excruciatingly microscopic detail that even a nitpicking, intellectually dishonest douchebag like you will be unable to find one single thing wrong with it? OK, here it is:
Hope. Change. Unicorns.
If it was good enough for you, it's good enough for us.
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Posted by: Rocks at September 30, 2010 11:15 AM (Q1lie)