1 Did they get the teabagger's name?

2
Suspect in custody.  Teabagger from the Middle East, possibly?

3

I am guessing lone nutjob. Definately labeled a teabagger.

Great.

4 Building is under lock-down and the officers were taken to GWU.

5

I bet that Teabagger was shouting Marxist slogans too.

Damn Teabaggers! Damn THEM all to Hell!

6 Seems to me that "middle eastern teabaggers" are more prone to either committing suicide or killing those of the Jewish persuasion. If we are going for random wild accusations, I'd say a libtard that's angry at the military. Maybe a Cindy Sheehan type.

7
Cindy Sheehan - THE BIGGEST TEABAGGER OF THEM ALL!!!!1!!111

8 I am so sorry for the policemen and their families. God bless them during this time. I hope they caught the scum who did this.

9
Or just maybe a 'local' looking to make an easy score.

10 Bottlenose bruises, blowhole burns, flipper prints... looks like the work of rowdy teenagers.

11 Like I said below, just another fucking space brained moonbat that hates themselves.

12 Haz health insurance?

Probably anti-war too, note the very intelligent 'pissin on a forest fire' act of pea shooting at the LARGEST BEST TRAINED PROFESSIONAL ARMED FORCES IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!

13
Incontheivable!

There are no guns in Washington D.C....they've been banned.

14
There are no guns in Washington D.C....they've been banned.

Yeah, how could this possibly happen?  Guns are bad and have been outlawed in D.C.

15 Give it 48 hrs and we'll see.

16 Pentagon? Never heard of it...

17 If everyone entering the Pentagon were armed, I bet he never would have gotten a shot off

18 Seems to me that "middle eastern teabaggers" are more prone to either committing suicide or killing those of the Jewish persuasion.

Posted by: shibumi at March 04, 2010 07:49 PM (OKZrE)

You mean, like at the Arkansas recruiting station?  Or Ft. Hood?

19
If everyone entering the Pentagon were armed

As much classified shit as some of them are carrying around, they BETTER be armed.

20 A Tbagger mad about DADT?

21 From my research it was wearing a Bush mask and screaming WMD's as he fired it's weapon.


I keeed, I keeeed!

22 like at the Arkansas recruiting station? Or Ft. Hood? Posted by: stuiec at March 04, 2010 07:56 PM (7AOgy) yeah both well known jewish hang outs?

23

Washington Post says:

2 police officers shot at Pentagon entrance

Updated, 7:50 p.m.
Chris Layman, a spokesman for the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, said the suspect walked up to the main entrance of the Pentagon at 6:40 p.,m. and opened fire. He hit two officers, both of whom have injuries that are not life-threatening. The officers fired back, and the suspect was hit. His injures are more serious.

Layman declined to speculate on a motive.

24 Must be teabaggers.

25 Prolly wants that killer whale in Fla. released!

26
the suspect walked up to the main entrance of the Pentagon at 6:40 p.,m. and opened fire

Hmmm.  Never heard of anything like that ever being done, ESPECIALLY by those who follow the RoP.

27 Actually that killer whale is a dolphin for you know nothings. Hahahaha

28 You mean, like at the Arkansas recruiting station?  Or Ft. Hood?

OK, you win on that point. I obviously won't rule out a ROP member, however, even if his name is Jihad al Jihad, he will still be painted as a "lone gunman" who has nothing to do with "Islam" and is, in fact, a "republican."

Actually, whoever does this will be painted as an angry white teabagger who is raging against, oh, I don't know, 'our pious black president who only wants the best for us."

Or some other cr@p like that.

And don't forget the calls for more gun control!

29
You'd think all those Teabaggers would be exhausted after organizing all those riots at the U.C. campuses.  Campus.  Campi?

30 Wow, do you guys see those CA student protest?

31 Did the perp have a grim rictus?

32 Miranda rights in 3..2...1!

33 I'm guessing a muslim converted in prison.

34 I obviously won't rule out a ROP member, however, even if his name is Jihad al Jihad, he will still be painted as a "lone gunman" who has nothing to do with "Islam" and is, in fact, a "republican."

Man, that would be so sweet to watch the newsies try to play that off as a random whacko with absolutely no connection to any prominent religion.

35 This clown needs target practice.

36 even if his name is Jihad al Jihad, he will still be painted as a "lone gunman" who has nothing to do with "Islam" and is, in fact, a "republican."

How dare you damage my good name, sir?

37 Did the perp have a grim rictus?

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 04, 2010 08:04 PM (6Rupw)

Smile when you say that, Mister.

38

Curious,

Yep. Remember last week or so when they had the last protest out there and did all kinds of property damage? Odd how all those hundreds of thousands of teabaggers managed not to cause any problems in DC, but you get a couple hundred libtard kids together and they act like a bunch of asses.

39 31  Yeah, pretty funny weren't they?  They had one here in IL too -- teachers getting upset that they might lose their jobs or have to take a cut in salary.  As a former member of the education profession...I'm laughing my ass off.

40 I obviously won't rule out a ROP member, however, even if his name is Jihad al Jihad, he will still be painted as a "lone gunman" who has nothing to do with "Islam" and is, in fact, a "republican."

Man, that would be so sweet to watch the newsies try to play that off as a random whacko with absolutely no connection to any prominent religion.

Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2010 08:06 PM (MMC8r)

They would simply misreport his name as "Jihaddy McJihadderson," and claim he was Scotch-Irish.

41 Here is comes.. the AWB Ban stick.. I can feel it.

42 Guess it had a beef with Pentagon cops, he loses!

43 Yeah, pretty funny weren't they?  They had one here in IL too -- teachers getting upset that they might lose their jobs or have to take a cut in salary.  As a former member of the education profession...I'm laughing my ass off.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 04, 2010 08:08 PM (5/yRG)

I drove past an elementary school in the SF Bay Area this AM and saw the little kiddies being paraded around by their teachers with their little signs: "Save Our School," "No More Cuts," that kind of thing.  I wanted to stop and demand that one of the teachers give me five bucks for lunch - since he thinks he has a right to my money, I ought to have a reciprocal right to his, in the name of fairness and equality.  I mean, if I have to pay taxes for his salary, then who's really working for whom?

44 14
There are no guns in Washington D.C....they've been banned.

Yeah, how could this possibly happen?  Guns are bad and have been outlawed in D.C.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 04, 2010 07:54 PM (v7IWy) 

Silly Teabagger.  The Pentagon is in Virginia.

45 After 30 witnesses pop up saying they heard the guy scream "Allah Akbar" before opening fire, this story will disappear.

46 Yeah, how could this possibly happen?  Guns are bad and have been outlawed in D.C.

Not sense Heller! So this is the SCOTUS's fault.

47

Comments on ABC site covering story:

"Never had these kind of happenings under Bush! Just stating that for the record."

"Wonder if we will ever know the nationality and religion of the shooter, or will it be covered up by media if it is a protected one?"

 

48 Not sense since Heller!

D'oh! Typing too fast. Excited by ME tea baggers, blah blah blah.

49 There are no guns in Washington D.C....they've been banned.

The Pentagon is across the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia

50 Man, that would be so sweet to watch the newsies try to play that off as a random whacko with absolutely no connection to any prominent religion.

Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2010 08:06 PM (MMC8r)

Shep Smith and others did just that by refusing to even mention the name of the Fort Hood shooter until they could come up with an appropriate well sounding lie that did not even acknowledge Islam.

51 We need the Irish Mossad!

52 Moonbats are doing the exact thing that they blame wingers for, idiots!

53 Wow, do you guys see those CA student protest?

Posted by: curious at March 04, 2010 08:03 PM (p302b)

The ones on the UC campuses? I like the douchebags who are claiming the cuts are "racist." Yeah, 40% of the UC population is Asian. Um, they're not really affected by the cuts because they scrape and save from birth to put their kids through college. It's called thinking ahead. Oh, the Asians get in on merit alone, not affirmative action. I hate lefty college students. Bunch of brainwashed douchetools.

54

46 Hell, I'd be for sueing them for child endangerment or something -- after all, the kiddies could get hurt carrying those signs.  Bastiges -- what, too damn fat and lazy to carry your own protest signs?  Oh, I forgot, only teabaggers are too fat and lazy to protest...

I'm waiting for our school district to strike.  Right now the school board is tippy toeing around the idea of staff cuts and salary cuts -- but even with the cuts they've made and the ones on the table they're still something like 200K in the red (gah, don't ask).  Didn't get the town to vote in a property tax increase like they wanted either.  I've always supported education (seeing as that was my job and all), but teachers have become a lazy, greedy, and grasping group (not all, but a fair few too many) .  So bring on some protests, bitches. I want to see some mayhem anyway...'cause I'm getting evil like that.

55 Isn't the Pentagon Metro stop heavily armed? I know I've been through the station, but I've never gotten off there (obviously). But I was under the impression there are MP or something guarding the exit/entrance.

56 59,

I agree with you, good post.

57 I'm surprised the "this isn't an act of terrorism" disclaimer hasn't been invoked yet.  Usually they fire that one off right away.

58 We all know how rapidly anti-military tea-baggers are with colonial uniforms and muzzle loading muskets...

For what it's worth, I take the bus to the Pentagon every day to rise the metro into D.C. for work (and yes, part of my soul dies every time I enter this den of thieves).

The bus stop is literally less than fifty yards from the Pentagon entrance, with escalators leading down to the Metro lines to either side of the entrance. Most of the time, there's two guards (or more) right outside that entrance, with bullet proof stand-up shields nearby.

The guards usually seem to be carrying UMP .45 smgs and body armor.

Someone would really have to be an idiot to try to take on those guys.

59

The last time we were in D.C. (Nov. 200 , our hotel was the Crystal City Stop, the one after Pentagon. 

60 Posted by: wherestherum at March 04, 2010 08:17 PM (gofDd)

My CA friend is telling us they want to raise tuition like $500. and that they are the cheapest state system in the country.  She is so angry cause they are disrupting her campus but also because she says the state is on the verge of legitimate bankruptcy, they are paying everyone with IOU's that she said may or may not work someday and she is like, "sheeh, they should be glad the university isn't going to be totally gone and just pay the $500 bucks and shut up"

61 He shot 2 people and they both lived?  Rookie.

62 63,

Hence fucking moonbat, they ARE about getting air time y'know!

63
Someone would really have to be an idiot to try to take on those guys.

Nobody ever said the jihadis... I mean, TEABAGGERS, are tactical geniuses.

64 Was watching CNN and it was just creepy.  The reporter came on with allegedly new information and none of it was new.  It almost felt like he was trying harder not to say things than to say things and then ol rick threw in "stay tuned we are sure there will be more information on this"....makes you wonder

65
It almost felt like he was trying harder not to say things than to say things

They've got the piece of shit in custody.  If he was one of you teabagging honkeys with a grudge we'd damn sure be hearing it over and over by now.  They're trying to get the script right so they can craft the narrative, that's all.

66 He shot 2 people and they both lived?  Rookie.

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at March 04, 2010 08:21 PM (vSncj)

Perhaps it's due to strategically placed Kevlar.

67 Hope they took their time calling an amulamps for the asshole.

68 One network was reporting the shooter is in custody.

69

Five hundred bucks?  That's it?  That's what all the "recreate 68" bullshit is over?

Oh, I think some people need to be chased through the streets by angry mobs of plebes wielding baseball bats -- yeah, I'm really getting evil like that; ever since the last couple of years.  I've always managed to deal with my peers' and my students' moonbattery with aplomb and patience -- but after being out of it for a while, and seeing how they've acted since '07 especially...well, they need to come face to face with some serious tribulation.  I'm trying hard to not be the nasty frakker to give it to them either (because I like my kids and home and am generally peace loving on principle).

70 ambulance, sorry.

71 Just wait...the moonbats are going to say this is some guy pissed off about repealing DADT.   Teabagging homophobe!    Eleventy!!!!1!!1

72 Posted by: curious at March 04, 2010 08:21 PM (p302b)

If you dodge the really bad indoctrination, a UC education is the cheapest in the country. It only cost me $14k for two years of UCLA. That's less than half of one year at Stanford or Harvard or any Ivy League. It's a fantastic bargain.

And if you do two years of community college, it's even cheaper. I remember when the community college kids were bitching when the price per unit went from $11 to $18. It's gone up to $26 now, but that's still pretty damn cheap.

No one is entitled to a college education. It is and always was a privilege.

73 Hope they took their time calling an amulamps for the asshole.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2010 08:25 PM (tQXzY)

Not to worry...he's now in the hands of our horrid health care system. /s

74 You know what the UC system could do?

Kill the humanities.

Just sayin'.

75 They're trying to get the script right so they can craft the narrative, that's all.

DHS approved excuses are:

If Muslim - "he's a lone gunman"
If OBot/leftard - "a history of mentally illness"

76 78,

OH WAIT! does it have insurance? It will have to wait I hope.

77 O/T: but fascinating.  and what, no vikram?

78

Oh, the pups are playing outside on the deck!

http://tiny.cc/QLOnX

79 Watch, it'll turn out that he had a 50 year old .38 revolver.


OMG OMG OMG BAN THE HIGH CALIBER BULLET HOSE SPRAY FROM THE HIP COP KILLER PUPPY SLAUGHTERING ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!!

80 No blood for oil?

81
Oh, the pups are playing outside on the deck!

Heh.  They're 'helping' clean up.

82

79  Hey now, is that any way to talk about a rape-rape victim?

(Humanities was my department -- that poor old girl has been chronically defiled with extreme prejudice for decades now...it's hard to watch: Shakespeare and Plato to Madonna studies and interpretations of Piss Christ)

83 Well, now that we've disarmed, the College That Owns The Nuke will be effectively de-funded, so there's that.

84

Chris Layman, a spokesman for the Pentagon Force Protection Agency, said the suspect walked up to the main entrance of the Pentagon at 6:40 p.,m. and opened fire. He hit two officers, both of whom have injuries that are not life-threatening. The officers fired back, and the suspect was hit. His injures are more serious.

'Serious' enough to 'get dead' hopefully.

85 Has Shepard Smith uttered the shooter's forbidden name yet? The first sign that it was an Islamist attack will, of course, be the denial by Washington DC police that it was terrorism. Funny how these shootings didn't happen... hell, didn't become so damned routine... when Bush was President.

86 Did the Obama fan club release Amy Bishop, again?

87 69 Was watching CNN and it was just creepy.  The reporter came on with allegedly new information and none of it was new.  It almost felt like he was trying harder not to say things than to say things and then ol rick threw in "stay tuned we are sure there will be more information on this"....makes you wonder

Posted by: curious at March 04, 2010 08:23 PM (p302b)

I've noticed how much of the media is dedicated to hiding information from us.  Bias is one thing, I'm used to it, but what kind of media refuses to tell people basic facts?

They've destroyed themselves and they deserve every shuttered newspaper.

88 Don't jump to conclusions! Islam-alakem!

89 Just an aside but I'm having fresh jumbo gulf shrimp with a tangy/hot cajun sauce over a bed of fettucini and garlic bread for supper all made from scratch, eat your hearts out morons. haha

90 Posted by: CoolCzech at March 04, 2010 08:36 PM (9IHmo)

can't find it on the WMAL site, doesn't mean it's not there, just can't find it.

91 (Humanities was my department -- that poor old girl has been chronically defiled with extreme prejudice for decades now...it's hard to watch: Shakespeare and Plato to Madonna studies and interpretations of Piss Christ)

Some have accused me of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but what's the difference if the baby has already drowned?

92
fresh jumbo gulf shrimp with a tangy/hot cajun sauce over a bed of fettucini and garlic bread

Jeez, we all need to have dinner at Chez Grunt sometime.  That sounds a lot better than my leftovers.

93 Witnessed a fascinating conversation between a kid who just graduate college and an old timer.  The old timer was pointing out to the newly minted college kid that we produce nothing in this country anymore and that is the main part of our problem with jobs and the economy.  The college kid's response was "well, who with a college degree wants to have to work in a factory and make things, it's not going to happen">

94
News conference should be starting right about now.

95 97,

I do eat well my friend.

96 100 97,

I do eat well my friend.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt

Deservedly. Mangia.

(I would have picked Capellini al dente, but I'm a dame.)

97 NG@100:  Sopa Paraguaya and buffalo steaks.  Not as involved, but pretty good.

98 "A Pentagon official working late in the building said people inside first heard of the shooting on television. They were later told the building was locked down and to stay in place. The huge five-sided building is crisscrossed by 10 main corridors.

Then at around 7:30 p.m., they heard an announcement on the public address system that they could leave through Corridor 3 - one widely used to get access to one of the parking lots."

Isn't it heartwarming to know how good the communication system is there? "people inside first heard of the shooting on television."

99 98 - Some of us are trying to produce goods right here in the old USA but the Federales just keep making it harder.  My outfit is now half in Mexico and pulling out of the US is on the table.

100

98  Heh, just saw a young kid (who had to drop from college because he couldn't afford it) recently get hired by a local factory (one of the last remaining) -- was asked (after 60 days on the job) to work a 3 12's shift one week (only one freaking week!).  His response: oh, no, I don't think I'm ready to pull that sort of shift yet...I mean, that's more work than they told me I'd be doing.

WTF?? (and why can't I have that damned job?  3 12's?  shit, I'll do that every damn week if you want mofos). This, this is what is indeed wrong with our country -- too many goddamn slackers.

Amish -- I was hoping for, perhaps, you know, a resurrection on the third day?  Seems only right since the true humanities has been sacrificed for the sins of the leftards after all.  I hate what those bastiges have done to that department -- and it trickles down, all the way to kindergarten -- and the students are the poorer for it (so is society, but I digress).

101 That's why I do math, jane.  Metaphysical certainty, every single time.

102 curious - I agree, too many colleges are actually a net negative. Unrealistic expectations and an extended adolescence are not good for a society.

103 AmishDude - so you do old math

104

>>His injures are more serious.

 

*heh*

105 Why isn't he DEAD?  Sounds like two cops who need more range time.

106 If I have to pay 500 dollars more for tuition, that's like so unfair! How will I buy the newest iPod, how will I pay for my texting?  I can't download lots of songs and pay tuition too!

107 Posted by: Jean at March 04, 2010 09:04 PM (/8Gs3)
I have a co worker with a son who is supposed to be applying for college next year.  The other night, the math genius, figured out how much his parents would spend on his college education and presented them with a request for the money.  It so freaked them out.  The kid said that he could do more with the money than he could with a college education.  apparently, using funds from his part time job he has been dallying in the currency markets and doing quite well.  My co worker is still upset.  we all sided with the kid and that made it worse.

108 106  You do realize that in a sense a sentence is a bit like a mathematical equation...at least that's the way I always approached them.

109 Now understand, while I send all my faux sympathies to those shot, we have to understand what caused the REAL victim here to lash out. We have to understand the pain he felt as a muslim in a racist workplace, living the torment of the stink eye every day.

110 forgot the funny part.  The kids grandfather opened the currency trading account for the kid.  She and her hubby are furious with the grand pa who also thinks this is too funny.

111 The kids grandfather opened the currency trading account for the kid.  She and her hubby are furious with the grand pa who also thinks this is too funny.

Posted by: curious at March 04, 2010 09:27 PM (p302b)

There's certainly some validity to the skip-college approach, especially if the kid has found something he can do successfully already.  The cost of a college education, depending on what kind you get and how much you pay, can wipe out any boost it gives your earnings for litterally decades. 

112 62 I'm surprised the "this isn't an act of terrorism" disclaimer hasn't been invoked yet.  Usually they fire that one off right away.

Which means that the shooter must be pasty white.  The gov't officials always rush to disclaim terrorism if the shooter is "foreign looking" -- to prevent backlash from the racist public.  Never mind that this betrays the inherent racism of the gov't official...

113 "Magnitude 2.6 - NORTHERN CALIFORNIA 2010 March 05 02:11:02 UTC" Is the USGS equipment malfunctioning?

114 Anyone with a job who turns down 3/12's in this economy is an idiot. 

115

122 lazy idiot -- fixed it for you

Joke was on him though -- guess who just got laid off two days ago? bwahahahah (usually I don't laugh at someone's lack of work, but under the circumstances)

116 I thought it was "asalami-a-lickum"

guess it's all in the delivery.

117 Anyone seen Bill Ayers?

118 The shooter is being identified as 36 or 38 (depending on reports) year old John Patrick Bedell. 

There is a J. Patrick Bedell all over the net who is a techno geek, 9-11 truther, Bush-hater and Obama fan.

119 Isn't it weird how CommieCrats alway complain about "cop-killer" bullets, while simultaneously endorsing actual cop killers like Mumia Abu Jamal?

120

"Those injuries were grazing injuries," Keevill said. "The police officers were able to return fire. The suspect's injuries were much more severe."

http://tinyurl.com/yewgsek

Good news!

121 "Medical examiner's office says suspect in Pentagon shooting has died."

122 Sounds like suicide by cop to me. Some pretty staggering overreaches being made by left sites already trying to tie him to tea-partiers in some way.

123 "Law enforcement officials say they've got one person in custody and are investigating whether a second was involved in a shooting at the Pentagon subway entrance.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding.

They say there's no immediate signs of terrorism but, with information coming in quickly, they haven't ruled anything out.

Two police officers were shot and sustained grazing wounds. The suspect was also shot. His injuries were described as "pretty critical."

Three law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation, said authorities were also scrutinizing a second man who may have accompanied the shooting suspect"

Just found this on breitbart.

124 Sadly, it appears that the shooter was a libertarian...

125 Is there evidence for that statement, RJ, or is that just an interpretation of what books he reads? If you have evidence, then please post it for others to read. There's going to be a lot of crap flying round about this guy in the next 24 hours, and unfortunately he won't be speaking to anyone about his motives now. Already there are people trying to paint him as a rabid rightwinger. Please don't post stuff like this without some hard facts. If it's your opinion, then fine, but please say so.

126 His Facebook page (which has now been blocked) showed that he was a fan of Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He was also a fan of Republican candidate Meg Whitman.

127 OK, but that doesn't mean he was a libertarian. I follow people on FB who aren't Republicans but that doesn't make me a democrat.
You may very well be right, but so far I don't see anything to prove that he was, in fact, a libertarian. I see various data from his wiki page supporting the fact that he was a Truther and anti-Bush. In reality, he could have been a conglomeration of all of these traits. The only thing we can probably agree on right now is that he was a complete whackjob. What motivated him is still up in the air. It's just amazing how quickly the armies are out from both sides either trying to exonerate him from 'their side' or pinning him firmly on the 'other side.' It's still all speculation.

128 Look, the last thing I want is for the mass media to be able to call him a "teabag terrorist" or a "right-wing militia domestic terrorist" or whatever. But facts are facts. Unlike leftists, we conservatives have a duty to deal with actual reality, not some twisted fantasyland version of it.

The kook who flew his plane into the IRS building was a leftist. The professor who shot the other professors down in Alabama was a leftist. This guy, though, was apparently a libertarian. I have no idea if his politics played a role in his crime, but he was what he was.

I also suspect he was an anti-war type. First of all, his target was the Pentagon. Second, some of his Facebook friends seemed to be pretty rabidly anti-war. A case could be made that he was a left-libertarian, not a conservative libertarian. Perhaps we should begin making that case, before the mass media is able to define him as a "conservative."

129 I understand that. I truly do. You don't need to explain to me how this will be distorted by leftwing media, especially if facts emerge that point to his leanings towards the left side of the aisle. They'll be desperate to paint him anything, anything but a leftwing loon. However, trying to jump the gun ourselves will not help. He isn't anything yet. He's a crackpot. His political leanings are not confirmed, nor do we know if they played a part in what he did.

For example, I'm not a Christian. I have nothing against Christians or Christianity itself, I'm simply not religious. I have Christian friends. But if I get involved in a road rage incident with someone and run them over, and it turns out they are a Christian, then I can be painted as an anti-Christian nutcase out to destroy Christians, by someone simply doing what you did, looking up my profile on the net and drawing inferences. It turns out I ran the guy over because he cut me off and I got mad. Nothing to do with religion. You are, with motives that seem worthwhile to you, attempting to do the same thing to this guy before we know any better. If it turns out he's a libertarian and KILLED THESE GUYS BECAUSE OF IT, then it's bad for libertarians and probably bad for all rightwing politics because we know how the media works these days. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, that's all I ask. Fair?

130 I know where you are coming from, but my point is this: If we wait for all the facts to come in before we make any judgments about it, we'll be waiting for a while. Several days, at least. And in those several days of us conservatives sitting on our hands and saying nothing about it, the leftists will have been successful in defining him as a right-winger, regardless of the actual facts. The leftists certainly won't wait for all the facts to come in. They barely even care about the facts.

We are in an ideological battle with Marxists who have no problem whatsoever with lying, and doing so repeatedly, so long as it advances their agenda. If they win, we will wake up one day soon in a country that more resembles Chavez's Venezuela than Reagan's America. We cannot afford to play nice.

If it looks like the guy was a libertarian (and it does), then we have to deal with that reality, and then quickly come up with some talking points that will blunt the mass media's inevitable and predictable attacks. Ace and Gabriel are already doing that with a couple of their latest posts. So is Michelle Malkin. So is Patterico.

Still, I understand your points. Thank you for the civil discussion.

131 I understand your points too, RJ, believe me. You have a very valid view which is also held by other people. My hesitation to judge before facts is based on personal experience, as I know what happens when a story breaks that involves you and your family and the press rush to judgment, and the general public believe that judgment. The facts are lost, buried, and often never to be retrieved. I simply won't be a party to anything like that to another human being. The line has to be drawn somewhere and where better than when it involves your own beliefs?

Thank you also for the debate. It's nice to have a civilised conversation between two people who disagree.

132 "It's nice to have a civilised conversation between two people who disagree."

Ditto.

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