October 03, 2010
— Ace You have to see this comparison.
You won't be surprised to hear a lot of extremist groups sponsored this "grassroots" march.
And you want diversity, you got it. The march was full of a diverse sampling of bussed-in union workers.
The union presence was so ubiquitous and so organized that it made for a kind of color coding in the crowd. Looking around, there were large groups of people bunched into separate areas, all wearing the same color T-shirts to mark their union affiliation. There were groups wearing the purple SEIU shirt, others wearing the red CWA shirt, others wearing the blue AFT shirt, and still others wearing green shirts and yellow shirts and so on. There were long rows of tables where union workers sat waiting to get people connected to their groups and their buses. There were thousands of union-printed signs.Organizers will deny that the march was a total union job, compared to the more grassroots character of tea party gatherings. And it's true that union allies like the NAACP also played a big part in staging "One Nation Working Together." But it's safe to say the rally would have been nothing without labor's money and organizing strength.
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Kathryn Riss said she attended the 1963 rally at the Lincoln Memorial, when she was just 16 years old, and came back 46 years later for the inauguration of Barack Obama. This time, she traveled from New Jersey on what she called the "peace bus" ("the Communications Workers of America very graciously paid our way," she explained), and she held a homemade blue flag with a white dove stitched into the middle.
As Michel Barone said, they assumed the Tea Party was a bought-and-paid for false demonstration because that's what theirs are.
And Glenn Reynolds says "I told you so."
Despite my pleasure in saying “I told you so,” I don’t deserve all that much credit. It was easy to see this coming if you paid attention.Both political parties are out of touch, and ordinary Americans are very unhappy about it, as they watch the Treasury being looted, the economy sink, and the political, journalistic, and financial ruling-class figures escaping the consequences of their ham-handed and self-serving actions.
But while ordinary Americans are mad as hell, this time they really donÂ’t have to take it any more. Institutions have failed them, but Internet tools like blogs, Twitter, and Facebook, and personal tools -- like the cheap handheld video cameras that beat back bogus charges of Tea Party racism again and again -- mean that they donÂ’t have to rely on failing institutions.
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But those establishment GOP figures who think that theyÂ’ll cruise to victory and a return to the pocket-stuffing business-as-usual that marked the prior GOP majority need to think again. This election cycle is, in a very real sense, a last chance for the Republicans. If they blow it, weÂ’re likely to see third-party challenges in 2012, not only at the Presidential level but in numerous Congressional races as well.
For the national GOP, it’s do-or-die time. So guys, you’d better perform -- unless you want me to be writing another “I told you so” column in 2013. And trust me, you don’t.
One thing I've advised people in a bloodletting sort of mood is to bear in mind how quickly this all happened, and how enormous it is. And I say that as a way of suggesting, "Allow those who didn't quite get it a little leeway in catching up with the new normal."
I thought the Tea Party would influence the GOP. I did not think that the GOP would wind up influencing the Tea Party. Know what I mean? I thought the Tea Party would be the tail that dog wags; but it turns out, the Tea Party is the dog, and the GOP merely the tail.
This sudden upheaval was entirely unpredictable... except, of course, to those who predicted it, but for those of us who didn't predict it, it was entirely unpredictable, we're still catching up.
I say this in interests of promoting peace. We're not enemies; some of us are just nine months behind the news, you know?
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Posted by: Timmy truthiness at October 03, 2010 01:00 PM (Fr8N6)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 03, 2010 01:00 PM (x81hH)
I thought the Tea Party would be the tail that dog wags; but it turns out, the Tea Party is the dog, and the GOP merely the tail.
Can you give a couple of "for instances" so I can nod in agreement, please?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 03, 2010 01:00 PM (jTUWN)
Posted by: The Other Shoe at October 03, 2010 01:01 PM (vAWJC)
When Mom and Pop are out marching carrying signs we have a new paradigm. Old Cris Wallace tries to make out like this is "anti-incumbent" because some Republicans were primaried out but if you look at the ones that were they were all liberal aisle crossers who helped the Dems.
If the Republicans don't "get it" this time they will cease to be a meaningful Party in ten years.
Posted by: Vic at October 03, 2010 01:02 PM (/jbAw)
Posted by: fluffy, natural blond at October 03, 2010 01:03 PM (4Kl5M)
Okay what's the population of DC? You're telling me they couldn't at least get some of those folks out? They probably went for Obama, what, 90-95%?
Add in the unions that paid for travel arrangments/food and they couldn't even produce a quarter of what Beck drew (and that's probably being generous).
They really are in for a world of hurt come 11/3. Good. Fuck 'em. I watched a good portion of that Hate America pep rally yesterday. It was disgusting. These shitstains aren't my American brothers and sisters. They're beggars that were paid and bought for their attendance and they left their trash behind on our national treasures.
They are my enemy and I will treat them as such.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 01:03 PM (69e1/)
Posted by: Charles Johnson at October 03, 2010 01:03 PM (IcN5c)
Posted by: fluffy can spell 'php' at October 03, 2010 01:04 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: turfmann, vanquisher of crabgrass at October 03, 2010 01:04 PM (l4J9G)
re: the paid transportation accommodations
You guys remember the scene in The Godfather Part II where Michael is in Cuba and he notices the rebels are willing to die for their cause? Michael recognizes the side that wants it more will probably win.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 03, 2010 01:05 PM (jTUWN)
Posted by: ya2daup at October 03, 2010 01:08 PM (/B6Iw)
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Let's hope they're no more interested in voting than they were in turning up for this rally.
Posted by: Retread at October 03, 2010 01:08 PM (uEPVX)
Fair enough, and something equally important to remember when dealing with folks who got duped (genuinely duped, not folks that have always been liberals) by the Obama campaign and are now wising up.
Also, if you haven't already, make sure you email links to the online coverage of Commiefest to anyone who needs a reminder to vote. I've gotten pretty positive response from folks I emailed about it already.
Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2010 01:09 PM (v2ogH)
Posted by: typical libtard idjit at October 03, 2010 01:12 PM (E97ku)
Was that Miss Cleo hitting the camera lady?
Jamaican, asshole, loud and obtuse?
Miss Cleo should have known the dustup was coming.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:13 PM (v1gw3)
Fixed. Couldn't help myself to the obvious.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 03, 2010 01:13 PM (M6enm)
I have been saying this for a long time now. This election is not like any other since 1861. Joe Sixpack has taken to the streets.
This. Big time. 8/28 was 500,000 middle aged men and women, little old ladies, military, younger familys...people we all see everyday.
Not freakish looking buffoons, hipsters, union thugs and other assorted parisites on our economy.
They came at there own expense like I did, hotels, cars, gas, food...to make a statement.
It wasn't even about Glenn Beck either. It was a tea party event, sans signs. People were motivated to send a message.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:14 PM (A0VTZ)
Did they clean up their trash?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 05:13 PM (UOM4
All except for the used condoms, Mad Dog 20/20 bottles and Fuck America signs.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:15 PM (v1gw3)
To hell with that liberal fascist fucktard.
Posted by: huh at October 03, 2010 01:15 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: brendan at October 03, 2010 01:16 PM (eGoqm)
Posted by: dogfish at October 03, 2010 01:17 PM (7QOo0)
You already know the answer Jane.
I think you've got blood pressure issues so don't look at the pictures! Esp at the WWII monument.
Leftist pigfilth trash.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 01:17 PM (69e1/)
Posted by: Victor Laszlo at October 03, 2010 01:17 PM (G67/N)
So Michael Vick is out with a rib injury? HAHAHAHAHA well I guess he's done. Tie him up in a burlap sack, hit him over the head with a baseball bat and toss his sorry ass in the river.
Posted by: NC Ref at October 03, 2010 01:17 PM (j3vhd)
A surprisingly large majority of Americans are going to be called racists after Nov. 2. This will not help his personal approval ratings.
Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2010 01:18 PM (v2ogH)
Posted by: ED SHULTZ at October 03, 2010 01:19 PM (bfJxj)
Posted by: ktgreat at October 03, 2010 01:20 PM (Bo24G)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 01:20 PM (69e1/)
Posted by: typical libtard idjit at October 03, 2010 01:21 PM (E97ku)
Posted by: Robert Gibbs, DNC over-stuffed chair at October 03, 2010 01:22 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 05:14 PM (A0VTZ)
My son and I went to 8/28, and the truth was I wanted to just be one more body to swell the crowd. I was sick of the MSM pretending we don't exist.
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 01:22 PM (KuXes)
Barney Fwank, Bill Clinton and John Edwards were there? Who knew!
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 03, 2010 01:22 PM (M6enm)
Posted by: Robert Gibbs, DNC table leg at October 03, 2010 01:23 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Scott ATranny at October 03, 2010 01:23 PM (uHu68)
Posted by: NC Ref at October 03, 2010 05:17 PM (j3vhd)
*evil grin, laughing maniacally*
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:23 PM (A0VTZ)
Disappointed we didn't get to see Gary Sinese Friday night, but spent the entire evening waiting for lib sis to show up and say "goodbye" as she moves to the ATL.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 01:24 PM (UOM48)
Having a small child hold the Socialist banner should be cruel and unusual punishment and the adult should be subject to a good old fashioned ass whipping.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:25 PM (v1gw3)
FIFY.
Posted by: RJ at October 03, 2010 01:25 PM (gXVqy)
Not one normal person could watch both and not see the huge difference.
Posted by: Timbo at October 03, 2010 01:26 PM (ph9vn)
<Snap> Photo showing far fewer commies than actually attended the rally.
Posted by: Reiver at October 03, 2010 01:26 PM (oBAOc)
Posted by: huh at October 03, 2010 01:27 PM (QcFbt)
The Conservatives need the Liberals!
Nope. When cons have freedom and liberty, liberals aren't even a brain fart.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 01:27 PM (aB+U1)
Posted by: Retread at October 03, 2010 01:27 PM (uEPVX)
My son and I went to 8/28, and the truth was I wanted to just be one more body to swell the crowd. I was sick of the MSM pretending we don't exist.
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 05:22 PM (KuXes)
Yeah I hear that. Was basically why I went. The curiosity factor as well. I'm hardly a take to the streets type. To be a part of something that big though was pretty cool.
Glenn Beck was an afterthought, not knocking him or anything, but I think most people went to send a message and considered it a tea party. I know I did. Sat around some great folks too. Funny enough, 2 people from the Springs who were in the military. The husband served in Iraq.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:27 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: redstatedeb at October 03, 2010 01:28 PM (CluUg)
Posted by: CAC at October 03, 2010 01:29 PM (Gr1V1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 05:13 PM (UOM4
All except for the used condoms, Mad Dog 20/20 bottles and Fuck America signs.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 05:15 PM (v1gw3)
You forgot to mention the used hypodermics and other assorted drug paraphernalia.
Posted by: Reiver at October 03, 2010 01:29 PM (oBAOc)
Posted by: Palerider at October 03, 2010 01:29 PM (FBj6Z)
Tails aren't the same as assholes. (And I'll keep the dirty sock from last night on as it's appropriate.)
Posted by: snoopy at October 03, 2010 01:30 PM (oLT/p)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 05:24 PM (UOM4
Well I'm glad to see you didn't go either. I would have been disappointed not to have met you.
Like Marsha Brady, something suddenly came up. I looked for you Friday morning but didn't see you on.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:30 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: steevy at October 03, 2010 01:31 PM (+nknp)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 05:27 PM (A0VTZ)
They were the nicest, kindest people. I have never been in such a lovely crowd.
PS My boy is 15 and the payback was I had to take him to see, Roger Waters performing, "The Wall," which was Friday night. Waters is a lefttard, but the show was great. Also, the crowd was so funny, so many geriatric air guitarests. :-)
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 01:32 PM (KuXes)
Okay what's the population of DC? You're telling me they couldn't at least get some of those folks out? They probably went for Obama, what, 90-95%?
Add in the unions that paid for travel arrangments/food and they couldn't even produce a quarter of what Beck drew (and that's probably being generous).
They really are in for a world of hurt come 11/3. Good. Fuck 'em. I watched a good portion of that Hate America pep rally yesterday. It was disgusting. These shitstains aren't my American brothers and sisters. They're beggars that were paid and bought for their attendance and they left their trash behind on our national treasures.
They are my enemy and I will treat them as such.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 05:03 PM (69e1/)
EXCELLENT, JUST EXCELLENT!
Posted by: imtoast at October 03, 2010 01:32 PM (M2E2K)
Posted by: JIMMY HOFFA at October 03, 2010 01:32 PM (bfJxj)
Posted by: Average Joe at October 03, 2010 01:33 PM (l+v1S)
Wow, that's some place to grow up. We used to drive through there once a year and spend time while on our way to Montana for vaction. The Badlands are something every American should make time to see. Truly beautiful place.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 03, 2010 01:34 PM (M6enm)
I blame the Jooos.
Posted by: Rick Sanchez at October 03, 2010 01:34 PM (AoVGn)
all the pics that all saw made me sad that we have people, no matter what side they are on.......that would go there and trash it like that............ makes me proud to be on our side...........
vick, go home and ask your dog to kiss your ribs and make them better......... dickhead.
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 01:35 PM (4tGRQ)
Posted by: CAC at October 03, 2010 01:35 PM (Gr1V1)
Yesterdays was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
Posted by: Timbo at October 03, 2010 01:35 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: kathysayso at October 03, 2010 01:36 PM (7nu1g)
Did you see the fricken SEIU debris left defacing our WWII Memorial? They have no respect for anything.
Posted by: redstatedeb at October 03, 2010 01:37 PM (CluUg)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 03, 2010 01:37 PM (NITzp)
Posted by: JIMMY HOFFA at October 03, 2010 05:32 PM (bfJxj)
Nope. It was bad ideas and free t-shirts that drove the unions to this rally.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 01:37 PM (aB+U1)
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 03, 2010 05:34 PM (M6enm) ...........
thats one of the places that i have never been and have always wanted to.
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 01:37 PM (4tGRQ)
For instance, I hear some people complain about the Democrats and their death panels...while at the same time other people are still complaining about medicare part D. BTW, Part D came in 43% under budget, amazingly enough. I mention this because I think it emblematic of the problems facing the movement..you can not have it both ways. That will be the real challenge.
People can make cracks about the GOP all they want, but when the Democrats took power in 2006 the deficit was $161 billion for the budget year, unemployment was 4.5% and gas was just over $2 a gallon. Far from perfect, but a lot better than what we are looking at right now.
Posted by: Terrye at October 03, 2010 01:38 PM (/4D/H)
The union presence was so ubiquitous and so organized that it made for a kind of color coding in the crowd.
They do this so they know who to follow to find their bus, you know, like kindergarden.
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 01:39 PM (KuXes)
Posted by: Godzilla at October 03, 2010 01:39 PM (bfJxj)
Glenn Beck will comment about the Communist gathering on the National Mall, but he will remain a gentleman and not chastise the pukes for their unending attempt to overthrow our government.
Congress needs to return to conservative roots, and reinstate the House Un-America Activities Committee with the power of subpoena and the ability to refer to the DOJ, assuming Eric Holder is our of office or in jail.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:40 PM (v1gw3)
The Badlands are something every American should make time to see. Truly beautiful place.
In the summertime.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 01:41 PM (aB+U1)
Okay what's the population of DC? You're telling me they couldn't at least get some of those folks out? They probably went for Obama, what, 90-95%?
People from DC all yawn at the political protests regardless of the party. You would think that all the Obamalovers would have slithered down there to side with the commies, I guess no one offered to pay them, give them lunch, and provide "metro/bus money. I can hear it now, "I ain't goin' all the way down to the mall...nobody's paying me like those other workers." That entire rally was union paid. All of it. With maybe a couple of hippie commie oldsters in it for the bong hit.
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 01:41 PM (TJ/aI)
They do this so they know who to follow to find their bus, you know, like kindergarden.
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 05:39 PM (KuXes).
i think you are right. never thought about it that way....... good point.
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 01:43 PM (4tGRQ)
I have an infection in my 'puter. Redirects webpages to shopping shit. Malware software can't find it. Any help?
The name, address, description, and an outline of the daily habits of the mother fucker who wrote the code will do.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 01:45 PM (I30wK)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 01:45 PM (TJ/aI)
Bastards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 01:46 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 01:46 PM (TJ/aI)
You just know that Joe Biden was in the Vice Presidents Naval Observatory residence watching on C-SPAN, and spanking his monkey will glee as the Communist flags and banners were displayed.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:47 PM (v1gw3)
You would think that all the Obamalovers would have slithered down there to side with the commies
Good point. On the day healthscare passed, 50k TP types showed up, and a few hundred.........yeah, SEIU stooges.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:47 PM (A0VTZ)
Did you see the fricken SEIU debris left defacing our WWII Memorial? They have no respect for anything.
I shall not write what is in my heart right now. I like posting on AoS too much.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 01:48 PM (aB+U1)
HERR MORGANHOLTZ
Unless you know how to clean up your own registry by hand, then the only other option is to do a system restore or hire a local high school hacker.
Posted by: Godzilla at October 03, 2010 01:48 PM (bfJxj)
Malwarebytes ain't finding it. Unless I've had a reinstall of this turd in the last 24 hours.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 01:49 PM (I30wK)
Besides, to representative of american, the crowd has to be majority white for a little while yet. Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 05:45 PM (TJ/aI)
Christiana Amanpuke had a panel discussion about the mosque today. The audience was 75/25 pro-mosque. To be representative of the country it should have been the other way around. Also, sickening, was the references, to bad, ill advised, and other manevolent words to describe the anti-mosque side. They is how they grab the narravite, call you bad, and then all you can do is defend yourself. I hate them.
Posted by: madamex at October 03, 2010 01:50 PM (KuXes)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 01:50 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Average Joe at October 03, 2010 05:33 PM (l+v1S)
My favorite troll impersonator strikes again! Keep it up.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:50 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 01:50 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 01:51 PM (I30wK)
I hear the Jews have been creating viruses lately.
Posted by: Dirty Sanchez at October 03, 2010 01:52 PM (RO16R)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 05:50 PM (TJ/aI)
I hope its a flop but I see lots of libtards all gung ho for it.
Posted by: Timbo at October 03, 2010 01:52 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 05:50 PM (UOM4
See #67
And Delta Smelt is sans ball and chain. Heh.
One of these days we need to have a SE Moron Meatspace meetup. Let me know though if you get up here and have some free time. The drink offer stands. I'll be getting down your way one of these days. I love Savannah.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 01:54 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 03, 2010 01:55 PM (NITzp)
Posted by: kathysayso at October 03, 2010 05:36 PM (7nu1g)
Same here although I've been trying to emphasize that we were on the same side all along. Now it's time to really kick some ass.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 03, 2010 01:55 PM (hRNYI)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 05:45 PM (I30wK) ......
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Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 01:56 PM (4tGRQ)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 05:51 PM (I30wK)
Advanced Registry Optimizer got my shit working fine.
Posted by: garrett at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (uHu68)
It will take a lot of 'Tards to equate with the Glenn Beck rally. Assume they believe 500K will attend?
200K lied to appease their friends, another 100K will wake up drunk or so stoned they're unable to travel, and another 100K will sleep to noon which is their normal practice. 100K could show up for the event, but a more likely number is much less.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (v1gw3)
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20101011,00.html
Can you believe this shit?
Posted by: Tollhouse at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (yt6tb)
This will break your heart: "When we attend events like this, we're surrounded by others who are going through the same thing," Rosie Babin said. "There's no explanation needed; everyone gets it. Everyone kind of looks out for each other while we're here. It's like a big family."
Her son was a combat medic with the 82nd Airborne when he was shot in the stomach in 2003 in Iraq. He lost his spleen, most of his intestines and 90 percent of his stomach. A stroke during his recovery left him needing a wheelchair and around-the-clock care.
"It takes days of preparation to travel with someone in a wheelchair...and someone who is paraplegic," she said. "It's like having a 170-pound newborn, but it's so important that Alan have these relationships and have these goals."
Cannot imagine our only son coming home like that. Yet, we'd devote what's left of our lives to him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (UOM48)
Check out these communists et al from the rally. I'm confused by the socialists carrying signs of socialists carrying signs. Guess that's all they do.
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: redstatedeb at October 03, 2010 05:28 PM (CluUg)
Dittos Deb
In West Michigan back in the day it was waaay Gerald Ford territory. Despite My father and grandfather knowing Ford (Dad's an old school democrat) My brother and I were Reaganites to the core. Reagan was my first and favorite presidential vote.
They're pulling the same crap here as across the US. The Tea Party candidate Justin Amash won the primary over the establishments hand picked successor to fill Vern Ehlers vacated rep. seat. So a bunch of old republican party hacks endorsed the democrat, including Ehlers daughters.
This is your last chance Republican party !
Posted by: Hiltop at October 03, 2010 01:57 PM (Pyl6E)
You know everyone's been bitching about how much of a mess the union/leftist/thugs left the mall and memorials. They're missing the point. They were just making sure their union buddies in the Department of Sanitation and Parks Departments could rack up some overtime.They were being thoughtful and compassionate.
Posted by: Iblis at October 03, 2010 01:58 PM (9221z)
Basically, I've still got people over here saying they look forward to seeing the Tea Party movement get proven to be the small minority fringe that they absolutely, thoroughly believe them to be. They won't even look at the comparison photos, they just dismiss anything that doesn't confirm their preconceptions (that it's all just a kook fringe of yahoos) as lies or propaganda. And I'm standing next to them not saying anything, but needing an electoral blowout to shove in their faces, and shove it in hard. 60+ House seats and 11-12 Senate seats, or better. I want them having as few avenues of "Well at least we didn't lose _______, we still rock!" self-delusion as possible.
Posted by: Charvanek at October 03, 2010 01:59 PM (BFm2s)
Posted by: Palerider at October 03, 2010 01:59 PM (FBj6Z)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 05:45 PM (I30wK) .
hoping you have cleaned your cookies, cash, and history to fix it first tho????????
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 01:59 PM (4tGRQ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 03, 2010 01:59 PM (9Cooa)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 02:00 PM (UOM48)
Is there going to be some trendy rock band playing to draw out the hipsters & hippies and pad the crowd size like at Obama's Berlin appearance?
Posted by: Sugar Ray Bradbury at October 03, 2010 02:00 PM (gzjhZ)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:01 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: kathysayso at October 03, 2010 05:36 PM (7nu1g)
Same here although I've been trying to emphasize that we were on the same side all along. Now it's time to really kick some ass.
Agree. Although, I have to say, I'm going to miss some of the impromptu "flaming skull" primaries threads.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 02:02 PM (aB+U1)
And I'm standing next to them not saying anything, but needing an electoral blowout to shove in their faces up their squeakholes.
Posted by: Charvanek at October 03, 2010 05:59 PM (BFm2s)
Thank you.
Posted by: Fish at October 03, 2010 02:02 PM (v1gw3)
I erase my history daily. My wife uses this too.
As for cookies and cash: tossed and laundered.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 02:04 PM (I30wK)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 06:00 PM (UOM4
Are you on the yahoo group page? If not, make up a junk email addy and sign up.
My address is my AOS name with an underslash.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 03, 2010 02:05 PM (A0VTZ)
Total example of "wishcasting". I wish there way we could pile on these jokers every time they make these minor yet obnoxious slants. Like a flash-mob of their email/phone lines.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 03, 2010 02:05 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:08 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 03, 2010 02:08 PM (NITzp)
Posted by: Gen. Sir Harry Flashman, VC at October 03, 2010 02:09 PM (G67/N)
If it was that make "scan required" worm if you didn't stop it before it started "scanning" it is likely too late. You can try Malwarebytes to see if it will remove it but most likely you will have to reformat the hard drive and reload from scratch.
Posted by: Vic at October 03, 2010 02:10 PM (/jbAw)
These are not real communist they are tit sucking babies and the only audiance for the MSM.
Posted by: RICK SANCHEZ ATE MY BABY at October 03, 2010 02:10 PM (bfJxj)
I have an infection in my 'puter. Redirects webpages to shopping shit. Malware software can't find it. Any help?
The name, address, description, and an outline of the daily habits of the mother fucker who wrote the code will do.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 05:45 PM (I30wK)
Morgenholz, I had the same problem and downloaded Spyhunter 4 for free and it fixed it.
Posted by: robtr at October 03, 2010 02:10 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 02:11 PM (aB+U1)
Is it just me or is there a Bachman is Beatable ad at the top of this thread and if so why are they wasting money here?
Isnt that like running a Mcdonalds commercial on a PETA website?
Posted by: RICK SANCHEZ ATE MY BABY at October 03, 2010 02:15 PM (bfJxj)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 03, 2010 02:16 PM (3jxR/)
That has been the targeting mechanism for most of these viruses and worms.
Posted by: Vic at October 03, 2010 02:16 PM (/jbAw)
Got the Weber going, and we're going to each have one brat (for October) and the last of the fresh corn, grilled, and sprinkled with chili powder and some fresh lime squeezed over.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 02:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:19 PM (TJ/aI)
If it was that make "scan required" worm if you didn't stop it before it started "scanning" it is likely too late. You can try Malwarebytes to see if it will remove it but most likely you will have to reformat the hard drive and reload from scratch.
Posted by: Vic at October 03, 2010 06:10 PM (/jbAw) ..............
you are right about that......... if it says scan reguired........... the best thing todo is hold the power button down for 5 seconds and let it shut off.......... DONT CLICK NOTHING.
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 02:20 PM (4tGRQ)
Actually, I'm amending my previous statements. None of this may actually matter.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 02:20 PM (mQ758)
Also, I think Beck made if very clear that he wanted no signs and that everyone was to remain peaceful. He also made it clear that there would be lots and lots of security, some of whom you wouldn't realize were security. People felt they could attend.
I'm not so sure you wanted to attend this rally as you knew who was going to be there and you were fearful of trouble. At least this is the excuse being given by the BO supporters who didn't go or get on the free buses.
Also, people don't want to attend the Stewart/Colbert rallies as they think there will be all kinds of problems there as the purpose of said rallies has not been clearly identified.
Was surprised to see on drudge that the prez opted out of the rally too and went to camp david.
Posted by: curious at October 03, 2010 02:21 PM (p302b)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:22 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 02:23 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 06:22 PM (TJ/aI)
When you get her in the pool, I volunteer to hold her under.
Posted by: Tami at October 03, 2010 02:24 PM (VuLos)
Ace, the Tea Party will prove to be beyond phenomenal. Things are happening behind the scenes at a constancy in terms of its grass roots essence that would make even Van Jones' head spin.
The Tea Party is the personification of the country's grit; in sum, it's heart and soul.
Posted by: journolist at October 03, 2010 02:24 PM (O/NP5)
Posted by: curious at October 03, 2010 02:24 PM (p302b)
Posted by: redstatedeb at October 03, 2010 02:24 PM (CluUg)
I have an infection in my 'puter. Redirects webpages to shopping shit. Malware software can't find it. Any help?
The name, address, description, and an outline of the daily habits of the mother fucker who wrote the code will do.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 05:45 PM (I30wK)
Dude, edit your Hosts file Usually found in
C:windows\system32\drivers\etc\
Malware will overwrite that file, cleaning it out should solve the redirects.
Posted by: Iblis at October 03, 2010 02:25 PM (9221z)
If I've said it once, I've said it bazillion times -- we need civics test before any registered voter can exercise their privilege to vote.
According to that Pew poll it would have knocked out nearly four in ten young voters.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 02:26 PM (mQ758)
Posted by: tarpon at October 03, 2010 02:27 PM (g0QB8)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:27 PM (TJ/aI)
The Tea Party is the personification of the country's grit; in sum, it's heart and soul.
Posted by: journolist at October 03, 2010 06:24 PM (O/NP5)
I have never been to a rally.. or a tea party meet up. I get the emails though.
It really is normal everyday people. They all have jobs.. this is something they do on the side.. nobody gets paid for what they do.
Its an amazing thing in American history.
Posted by: Timbo at October 03, 2010 02:27 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 03, 2010 02:27 PM (3jxR/)
Ace, I understand your scepticism about the Tea Party in the beginning, but not getting it after 9/12 last year is no excuse. Have you ever seen that many non-leftists in a march, ever? That should have made everyone sit up & take notice. To think those people would take the time to do that and then, what? Go home, sit down & shut up? Not very bloody likely.
I know what I feel about what I've been seeing in the country, and after that march last year, I realized I wasn't alone. That, in and of itself, is part of what is motivating me to crawl to the polls, if I have to.
Millions of people are awake, disgusted, and motivated like I've never seen. And, I'm not a young 'un. That feeling has not subsided one bit in the last yr & a half. It has only grown stronger. Most of us understand that this election will not be the last time we have to stand up. As soon as we kick ass on 11/2, we have to begin the quest for control of the WH n '12.
We refuse the let this commie/socialist crap continue to breed.
Posted by: Steph at October 03, 2010 02:28 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:29 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 03, 2010 02:33 PM (I49Jm)
Otherwise they expect you to get your idea of how the government works in the half a class they devote to it in AP US History.
Only those interested in a career in politics take the AP Gov. You'd rather be in AP chem or physics or bio in that time so that you can get into a better college.
Posted by: curious at October 03, 2010 02:33 PM (p302b)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 03, 2010 06:20 PM (mQ75
.....
i dont have words to say ....... except these..... that was fucked up....... someone must have paid the band alot todo that. i guess the gaga guy......
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 02:34 PM (4tGRQ)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 03, 2010 02:34 PM (NITzp)
Only those interested in a career in politics take the AP Gov. You'd rather be in AP chem or physics or bio in that time so that you can get into a better college.
I would have rather been getting laid at a keg party.
Posted by: Soona at October 03, 2010 02:38 PM (aB+U1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 02:39 PM (UOM48)
Thanks to the Moron who suggested SmitFraudFix. Quick and dirty and effective.
Thanks all.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 02:42 PM (lN56Y)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 06:29 PM (TJ/aI)
I'll take the test!
Posted by: NC Ref at October 03, 2010 02:42 PM (j3vhd)
173 You can do both. Why couldn't you take AP Gov and an ap science? They aren't mutually exclusive. The more selective schools (I won't say better, because I don't believe that) like multiple AP classes with multiple AP exams.
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:42 PM (TJ/aI)
My favorite parts ('favorite', as it "making me scream at the TV):
- The media spin about the "diversity of the crowd" and how it was a "picture of America". Really? So minorities are now the majority? America is made up entirely of color coded minions that are dependent on someone else to tell them what to do, where to go, what to wear, and pay for a ride, meals, and hotel accommodations for it? Blatant Communist groups now speak for a significant percentage of the population? It's good form to leave places looking like a garbage dump after standing on your soapbox about protecting the environment? Huh... if that's really a "picture of America", I want to move.
- The "We'd been planning this since WAAAAY before Beck's rally. This rally has nothing to do with being a response to his." meme. Uh huh. Funny how Ed Schulz only seemed to find out immediately after Beck's rally and no one heard of it before then.
Posted by: Damiano at October 03, 2010 02:43 PM (PA722)
Dude, edit your Hosts file Usually found in
C:windows\system32\drivers\etc\
Malware will overwrite that file, cleaning it out should solve the redirects.
Thats where it was.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 03, 2010 02:43 PM (lN56Y)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:43 PM (TJ/aI)
oh i took a lot of AP classes and then was told that my 4's and 5's couldn't be used for credit.
But, they would not schedule the AP government at a time convenient to most students and not within the time frame of other AP classes that carried more weight on the transcript. I always felt they did that on purpose.
Posted by: curious at October 03, 2010 02:45 PM (p302b)
Seconded.
And Thirded. This is just the beginning.
In the past, most leftards matured past their infatuation with revolution, hell if the band Chicago can do it, anyone can. However, there seem to be quite a few '60's retreads who never grew up, as most of the idiots in the movement now were members of the Weather Underground and other assorted groups. We must have thought that they were like us and that they did the same thing we did, namely outgrew our rebellion.
Obviously, some did not.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 03, 2010 02:48 PM (3jxR/)
Posted by: Concentration Camp workers of America (CCWoA) at October 03, 2010 02:49 PM (1O93r)
I think 10-20% of Obama's "support" comes from people who are afraid of being called racist by the cool kids if they make their true feelings known.
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 03, 2010 02:53 PM (Id5+U)
1. Name the 9 supreme court justices and indicate which one is the chief justice.
2. What are the 3 branches of the US govt and what are their functions?
3. Explain the phrase "checks and balances".
4, Who wrote the Declaration of Independence and why was he selected? What were the signers effectively doing if they did not win the rebellion?
5. Name 3 events that led to the american revolution.
6. Who designed and began the committees of correspondence and what was their significance.
7. Who wrote the constitution? Why was it written? How was it ratified? What was a major compromise between the northern and southern states?
7. What is the Bill of Rights and why was it added to the constitution?
8. The beginning of the declaration of independence says that we are endowed with inalienable rights, by whom and what does this mean?
9. All rights not innumerated in the constitution are reserved to what entity?
10 What made our constitution different from all other goverments proceeding it in history?
11. What does a representative democracy mean?
I have many more. I think it should be about 20 questions.
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:55 PM (TJ/aI)
Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 02:56 PM (TJ/aI)
I'm gonna fucking kill a bitch.
I have an infection in my 'puter. Redirects webpages to shopping shit. Malware software can't find it. Any help?
The name, address, description, and an outline of the daily habits of the mother fucker who wrote the code will do.
You need a root-kit. ComboFix should take care of it.
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Posted by: YESTERDAYS RALLY ATTENDEE at October 03, 2010 03:02 PM (bfJxj)
Turns out, Socialists not only steal your income - they are also slobs. And they expect YOU to clean up after them.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 03, 2010 03:09 PM (0fzsA)
Nine months eh Ace?
Welcome to your rebirth mate.
Posted by: Russtovich at October 03, 2010 03:15 PM (acXih)
Posted by: theMachiavellian at October 03, 2010 03:17 PM (MZevL)
Unless we take 2/3 of both the House and The Senate. Then the Preznit's veto means nothing. Don't believe that will happen though.
Mebbe. Mebbe not. PBHO is already radioactive. Some of the Dems out there are running on how they opposed all this guff. Do you really suppose that a veto or two on something as obnoxious as Obamacare is going to improve that? Some of those Democrats are gonna be getting really nervous about what is going down.
The nice thing about hack politicians is that at some point, self-preservation trumps party discipline.
Posted by: Gen. Sir Harry Flashman, VC at October 03, 2010 03:20 PM (G67/N)
Posted by: NotAMolly at October 03, 2010 03:20 PM (ADJFU)
If some stranger came up to me and asked me if I liked the president or put a mike in my face and asked that question, I would venture to guess that the vast majority of Americans would say "of course" and I would include myself in that group.
No one is going to say no, no one. It's impolite to say no. It's like when you have the crazy black sheep in the family and everyone whispers about them but when one of the neighbors gets in your dads face about them your dad defends them because "damn it, he/she may be a black sheep but he's our black sheep and so and so isn't going to say something about them to me and get away with it"....
I think that's the principle at work.
Posted by: curious at October 03, 2010 03:36 PM (p302b)
Plus, we had legitimate paper mache heads. Do tea baggers have paper mache heads teabagging each other? No? Well we do. So pfft.
Posted by: The Black Knight at October 03, 2010 03:45 PM (MHK3Q)
i miss my old little white dog Lilly, and my old brown dog Spike....
and thats why i hate Vick...... fuck him...... glad to see him gone from Atlanta........... and for all my black friends round Atlanta....... i hate to tell you i told you so....... i dont care if he is green from Mar's................... fuck him. and may old Lilly and Spike look down on him and piss on his ribs from heaven.
that said............. i think i'll have another beer......... and a pork tenderloin plate with gravey and taters............
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 03:47 PM (UY/kO)
Big government is bad, unless it's something you want. Welfare is evil but Social Security is good. Cutting spending on entitlements is good, but cutting military spending is evil. The government shouldn't run deficits, but personal debt is good...blah, blah, blah...
...and may your god have mercy on anyone who ever disagrees with your so well-reasoned conclusions.
There's a trend here, Ace... You folks onna right might wanna get a handle on it. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
Those hobos you keep hunting have a better clue than you do...although some of you are finally waking up and rubbing the sleep out of your eyes.
So, wake up, smell the coffee...er... T.E.A. (plus, you're more like three years behind the curve, at best.)
The truth is out there...but it isn't the truth you've been hoping for.
You want peace? Bring peace. You want forgiveness? Stop stepping on your dick and blaming in on someone else. Stop using the same Alinsky tactics against those who are on your team....the same tactics that are now bringing down your political opposition.
I gave up on the left after Jimmah. I *finally* gave up on the right after Haditha.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at October 03, 2010 03:55 PM (ERw7X)
Herr,
Not sure if anyone addressed your problem other than running the usual fixes, but it sounds like you've got a nasty rootkit virus that just does not go away very easily at all. Malwarebytes gets it sometimes, but you'll probably have to reformat. I got this one one of my laptops and had to reformat after trying everything.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 03, 2010 03:56 PM (fLHQe)
Comparing the two rallies simply points out the difference between citizens who love their country and citizens who merely live here.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 03, 2010 03:57 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 03, 2010 03:58 PM (fLHQe)
Posted by: DM! at October 03, 2010 04:01 PM (O0Qwy)
Clyde, I think there were several reasons the Republicans lost...for one thing the incessant attacks from both sides just wore everyone out. I can remember Malkin putting Spike Lee to shame when it came to blaming Bush for Katrina for Chrisake.
Now everyone blames the other guy. The paleos blame the neo cons, the fiscal cons blame the social cons..in fact when you think about Beck..he uses religion to get people fired up. That is one reason I have trouble trusting the guy. Don't get me wrong, I like to see him go after Obama, but at the same time I have to admit I have had some reservations about Beck every since he said we were better off with Obama than with McCain. We are not, by a long shot. The debt alone makes that plain.
I just think that people got tired of it all and wanted something new and different and instead they got stuck with the same tired Democrat crap...and people want to go back..they want to go back to a time when they felt comfortable in their own country. All of this hope and change is freaking them out.
However, that does not mean the whole country has turned into a bunch of libertarians. I think it would be a mistake to think it did.
Posted by: Terrye at October 03, 2010 04:15 PM (SkhDW)
One thing I've advised people in a bloodletting sort of mood is to bear in mind how quickly this all happened, and how enormous it is. And I say that as a way of suggesting, "Allow those who didn't quite get it a little leeway in catching up with the new normal."
No, no, no, no, no. These folks who "didn't quite get it" are exactly the people who aided and abetted the Democrats in bringing about the current state of affairs. For years, the working philosophy of these Republicans has been "Enforce our low-tax, small government principles by giving the Democrats one-third of whatever they ask for". I have no doubt that, if the pressure is reduced, they will return to their philosophy of relaxed accommodation. Enough.Posted by: AytchMan at October 03, 2010 04:19 PM (rJbbn)
Posted by: Racefan at October 03, 2010 04:25 PM (UY/kO)
The "machine" in DC is going to do everything in their power to co-opt the new class of Republican freshmen. They had better not fall into the trappings of power, from the inside of the party or the outside. The GOP really has no idea how short of a leash the electorate is going to give them.
I can see tea parties next spring too.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 03, 2010 04:34 PM (E6pP6)
AytchMan:
You see this is where I disagree. When those old folks show up at those townhalls and start screaming "leave my medicare alone" they are not pissed that someone is giving them some entitlement..they are pissed off that someone is taking something away from them to give it to someone else who probably does not want or need it.
You can that for years the "working philosophy of these Republicans" has been to give Democrats one third of whatever they asked for...but you forget that the American people voted for those Democrats and put them in control of the White House and the Congress..No doubt they have thought better of it and want to get rid of a lot of those people, but that does not mean that they are all behind some libertarian purge of the program.
I think they would be happy with a return to a few years ago at this point. I do think the American people are more receptive to reform of the entitlement programs than they were when Bush tried to reform social security in 2005, but if Republicans go too far the other way those Independents can turn on them too.Don't think they won't.
Maybe people want honest competent government that does not regulate or tax them into poverty. They may not all agree on the way to get there.
Posted by: Terrye at October 03, 2010 04:35 PM (SkhDW)
I don't think the lamestream media or the dems or the gop realises that many millions of people who are independent minded now have the internet to find out information, rediscover the founding principles of this country, the sacrifices made by 56 signers of a piece of a paper as well as thousands upons thousands who gave up their lives so that future generations may live in prosperity and peace.
and longer they don't realise they are just temporary holders of an office, they are not kings and queens, they are supposed to represent their voters, not themselves or there marxist/socialist party, the backlash is only growing, and it is not abating after the november elections.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 03, 2010 04:38 PM (ACkhT)
and the Tea Party movement is not anti-govt, it is anti-BIG-govt.
and frankly there are mainly 2 things that bind everyone in the movement, fiscal responsibility, and adherance to the founding father's principles outlined in the US Constitution.
Anyone who doesn't adhere to this, dems or repubs, are part of the problem.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 03, 2010 04:40 PM (ACkhT)
I'd do it, but my Photoshoppe skills appear to be primarily spelling it correctly, sometimes...
Posted by: RightThinker at October 03, 2010 04:44 PM (KmHbv)
Posted by: Patrick Boylston at October 03, 2010 05:00 PM (ldbn+)
Posted by: My Kids Are All Screaming Weasles at October 03, 2010 05:21 PM (ldbn+)
Posted by: My Kids Are All Screaming Weasles at October 03, 2010 06:24 PM (ldbn+)
It would take an enormously long post to fully explain my position. Suffice to say, I take a very long view with regard to American politics. There is a disease in all advanced democracies that results in an irreversible, if erratic, drift to the left. This process occurs over generations and has been in motion in the US since FDR at the latest. It can be summarized as "the squeaky, activist wheel gets the grease".
Moderate Republicans have rarely attempted to reverse this trend and have never succeeded. They win the occasional counter-attack, never the war. Thus, I see no hope for any sort of moderate response or compromise from the fiscally-conservative Right -- an amorphous group not to be confused with the Republicans of recent decades.
At this juncture, I see the only responsible strategy as follows: formalize our philosophy of government, fight the good fight, accept our tour in the wilderness and rescue the country when it sobers up. Then, we'll have the transformative mandate. The main body of the Republican party will never accept this, of course, But moderation and compromise will only result in More Of The Same.
Posted by: AytchMan at October 03, 2010 10:42 PM (tY5Qd)
I always thought the fear many had - that an official Tea Party party would form - didn't really make any sense. There's a "Conservative Party", isn't there? And a bunch of other minor parties (like the Socialist one Obama ran on back in IL, while he was also on the Dem ticket).
The question is, "Does it have staying power?" Well, I've been around a long time, and I've never seen anything like it. Further, it is a response to an unimaginably huge govt-made mess, which ain't going anywhere soon. The Tea Party is really our only hope to avoid the kind of riots they're starting to have in Europe.
Take heart! Here in NYS (New f-ing York!!) a gubenatorial candiate with no name recognition is doing remarkably well, his campaign posters exclaiming, "I'm mad, too, Carl!" People aren't going to stop being mad.
And let's remember that - not so long ago - we learned that there are actual Americans still living in Massachusetts, of all places! Who knew!?!
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