August 25, 2010

So, Here's How Murky Would Do It
— Ace

Gabe has done what was beneath me (star blogger syndrome, etc.) and read the relevant law.

(1) Win a primary. <--Murkowski can't do it this way if Miller wins.


(2) File a no-party petition. <--Murkowski can't do it this way, she missed the deadline.


(3) Replace a primary winner by party petition.

It's this last one that they may be thinking of. By party petition 48 or more days before the general election, a candidate may be placed on the general election ballot if the primary winner dies, withdraws, resigns, or becomes diqualified.

Presumably AIP has a candidate who won yesterday. She could replace that candidate if AIP files a party petition 48 or more days prior to the general election. It is ridiculously easy to file such a petition. It simply must be signed by the party's state chairperson or by two members of the party's central committee.

I'm assuming there's still time to do this? Is it more than 48 days from Nov. 2? I was told there would be no math.

So, there you go. More: Gabe's not sure that AIP actually participated in the primary, so it's not clear if they have a candidate that could be replaced this way... however, I assume (assume) there's some minor party out there, the Greens, Reform, whoever, who did.

Ass-ume.

Casey Kasem just put out this (Content Warning) long-distance dedication to Lisa Murkowski.

More: Gabe's looking at who had primaries -- the Libertarians?

Also, of course, she could ask the Democrats to run as their candidate -- and who knows, she's almost one now; who knows.


From Larry Sabato, Clarification: Yes those 8000 outstanding ballots are not just R ballots, but a mix of both D and R, so let's say, tops, 6000 are R's. She'd have to win 4000-2000, or 2:1, to pick up 2000 votes from the absentees.

Of course, we now understand she doesn't care at all about Republican votes....


More Gabe: By his reading, you only get on the ballot by those three means -- primary win, independent filing, replacing existing candidate.

He says that a minor-party cannot just put someone up by caucus. (Although I have to say this strikes me as odd.)

But if his reading is right (and he is a lawyer), then Murky can only replace a candidate who in turn had previously won a primary -- and only the Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans held primaries.

So one of those three, and I don't think Miller will agree to it.

Murky: It's "Premature" To Discuss My Already-Decided End-Run Around The People's Decision: And this article seems to indicate it's the Libertarian candidate's ballot-slot she's got her eye on.

As Gabe suggested.


Or the Dems... As I suggested. Speculation: Hey, why shouldn't the Democrats dump their sure-loser candidate in favor of the pro-choice, big government Murky?

So right now she's talking with the Libertarians and Democrats. On the phone with the Libertarians, she's suddenly realizing she's been in favor of gay marriage and drug legalization all her life (no one had informed her of her position previously), and with the Democrats she's realizing... um, that instead of voting with them 43% of the time it wouldn't be all that much to vote with them 73% of the time.

Original Reportage! But a little late. Drew wrote to the AIP about this possibility, and they wrote back:

The chairwoman of AIP responded...

Senator Murkowski is a registered Republican, not AIP. She therefore cannot be a candidate for this Party...we are not a "rent-a-party" for the Republicans. There is NO possibility regarding her "running" as Alaskan Independence Party candidate.

But we know it can't be AIP based on Gabe's legal opinion, so... not as timely as it could have been.

Posted by: Ace at 12:58 PM | Comments (126)
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1 NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!11111!!!!!!!!  I can't stand it!

Posted by: runningrn at August 25, 2010 12:59 PM (CfmlF)

2 So Tancredo style? Both of them need to GTFO.

Posted by: Xander Crews at August 25, 2010 01:01 PM (HRnvS)

3 FYI, Joe Miller will be on with Levin in his first hour.

Posted by: Countrysquire at August 25, 2010 01:01 PM (e910j)

4

Question becomes, are there any other parties with spots on the ballot? besides AIP?

Because I don't see the AIP supporting her....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2010 01:01 PM (H+oXM)

5 Uh, wouldn't you also need the AIP nominee to either die, withdraw, resign or otherwise be disqualified? Do we even know who that might be? Will Murky choose "die" from that menu?

Posted by: XBradTC at August 25, 2010 01:02 PM (X0Ona)

6

www.panynj.gov

Check out the progress on the Freedom tower....340 feet high and 34 stories. The building site is awesome!

Posted by: bob T at August 25, 2010 01:02 PM (SzKHs)

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 25, 2010 01:02 PM (ZJ9VU)

8 AIP probably will not do it, but I am sure there are some other fringe Parties that would be glad to do it.

Hell, if she gets away with that every candidate will start some fringe party with a caretaker until after the primaries.

The question is, will the courts allow this obvious distortion of the law?

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2010 01:02 PM (/jbAw)

9 >>>Uh, wouldn't you also need the AIP nominee to either die, withdraw, resign or otherwise be disqualified? Right -- but I am assuming the AIP could be persuaded to do this if she offers them a few carrots.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2010 01:04 PM (QbA6l)

10

She didn't pass the initiation for the AIP. She has to rebuild a snowmobile motor, shear a moose, prime and start the generator, and develop a community contingency plan to counter a vampire invasion during the dark period.

 

 

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 25, 2010 01:04 PM (R2fpr)

11 Bitter clingers clinging to their power and  D.C. status. 

Posted by: runningrn at August 25, 2010 01:04 PM (CfmlF)

12 Don't underestimate the desire of minor-parties to occasionally get a big boost of attention for their cause by backing someone like Murkowski.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2010 01:05 PM (QbA6l)

13 The AIP wouldn't do it—not just like that. There's nothing the Murk can give them that's enough to offset the base-alienating (and probably AIP-destroying) cred hit. Only the state R party has enough of a favor bank to buy them off.

I'm sure they're in negotiations right now. We should bet on whether the national GOP is helping them. 2:3 yes is on the board.

Posted by: oblig. at August 25, 2010 01:06 PM (x7Ao8)

14

How pathetic does one have to be to attempt this? I know, I should ask Charlie Christ! He's the Mother of all Sad Sack Losers.

You lost, lady. (assuming that's how it will play out after the absentee votes are counted). Get over it.

Sheesh talk about being a poor sport.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 25, 2010 01:06 PM (gRxD7)

15 Don't underestimate the desire of minor-parties to occasionally get a big boost of attention for their cause by backing someone like Murkowski.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2010 05:05 PM (QbA6l)

Yeah - they might just not care knowing their candidate won't have a chance at winning, either way.

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 01:06 PM (pUfK9)

16 By the way, I kinda hope they do do it, for the comedy factor of it.  Miller should win, either way, right...  Right?

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 01:07 PM (pUfK9)

17 So what, her campaign slogan for the AIP would be "I am a REAL Republican, even though the Republicans voted for someone else." Nah too long.

Hmm.. gonna have to think about.

Oh and Ace, the Wicket meme continues on Althouse's blog. As Cicero stated "the biggest journey begins after Wicket busts a but on you"

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2010 01:08 PM (1PeEC)

18 Yeah, I think the "private party" option will become popular.

Posted by: XBradTC at August 25, 2010 01:08 PM (X0Ona)

19 So, your ex-wife marries your brother to get her hands on your Old Man's money.  By anybody's standard, that's a low-down dirty bitch.

How many votes could she really count on to swing her way?  Surely many of her supporters would throw her over...would she keep enough to hand it to the Democrat, and would AIP really want to see being used to that end?

Posted by: nickless at August 25, 2010 01:09 PM (MMC8r)

20 Remember, there's no crying in elections! (or is that baseball?)

Posted by: EZB at August 25, 2010 01:09 PM (Ty06w)

21

How pathetic does one have to be to attempt this? I know, I should ask Charlie Christ! He's the Mother of all Sad Sack Losers.

 

What does that make me?  Chopped liver?

Posted by: Benedict Arlen at August 25, 2010 01:10 PM (CfmlF)

22

7 Thansk for posting that.

It's nice to see the progress, slow as it may be, being made.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 25, 2010 01:10 PM (gRxD7)

23 She can join the list of dangling chads of 2010!

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 25, 2010 01:10 PM (R2fpr)

24 10 >>>Uh, wouldn't you also need the AIP nominee to either die, withdraw, resign or otherwise be disqualified?

Right -- but I am assuming the AIP could be persuaded to do this if she offers them a few carrots dollars.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2010 05:04 PM (QbA6l)

FIFY.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 25, 2010 01:10 PM (YVZlY)

25

Remember, there's no crying in elections! (or is that baseball?)

 

That's baseball!  (Sniff!)

Posted by: Sore Loserman at August 25, 2010 01:11 PM (CfmlF)

26 Maybe Todd should compete for the AIP nom?

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 25, 2010 01:11 PM (QxSug)

27 17 By the way, I kinda hope they do do it, for the comedy factor of it. Miller should win, either way, right... Right? Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 05:07 PM (pUfK9) No, it could easily split the GOP vote and put a Dem in office.

Posted by: XBradTC at August 25, 2010 01:11 PM (X0Ona)

28

Hmmm.... tried to find it, but, is the GREEN party on the ballot?

Libertarians are...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2010 01:11 PM (H+oXM)

29

How pathetic does one have to be to attempt this? I know, I should ask Charlie Christ! He's the Mother of all Sad Sack Losers.

 

What does that make me?  Chopped liver?

Posted by: Benedict Arlen

 

You two are on the chad list as well.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 25, 2010 01:11 PM (R2fpr)

30

the 1st half of my comment is gonna piss people off but stick w/ me and you'll agree come 2nd half of the comment:

1st half: I actually don't blame some people who whine and bitch about losing to these outsiders w/ virtually no exp. if any and who set up Dems for an easier battle then they would have had against the more established candidates, look at folks like Paul, Angle, and now Scott. These in my opinion, are bad candidates who are easy pickings for dems in a year bad for dems; so the frustrations with certain candidates winning thanks to the anti-incumbent wave is in my opinion something that is understandable and whinning and botching about losing is something that is your perfect right (God knows people did when Mac won last night or when Obama won in 0

2nd half: THAT SAID, to be a punk about it and decide to insert yourself as a sore loser and make it harder for a victory for the side you and the candidate who won are supposedly both in is pathethic. I know people backed Lieberman doing it, but it always bothered me no matter who did it. You lost, the party didn't back you, so get with the plan and back the winner. Guys like Crist or Tancredo are the most digraceful to me. Can you complain about the winner and just hold your nose and support them while doing so? yeah, you can. Can you decide to be a little bitch about it and run 3rd party knowing it gives your common enemy a better chance? no, in my opinion, that is not right.

Espc. in a year that bad candidates like Paul, Angle, Scott, and such still have a shot at victory because it is such a bad dem year. Paul is up 8-10 points (though he should be leading 15-20), Angle (who should be winning big) is still up 2 against Reid, Scott (who is a dream opponent and should be at least competitive w/ Sink if he wasn't) isn't down 10 as polling begins on that race.

Whiny losers can whine, but do kamikaze attacks on the people who beat you and deserve your support? nope, not right

Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Ace Commenter-Go Rays!) at August 25, 2010 01:12 PM (38UQ3)

31

"The Future Is Murky"

Posted by: Lisa's Magic 8 Ball at August 25, 2010 01:12 PM (CfmlF)

32 Murkowski Slogan: 

Well, look, I really like Alaska, a lot, but come on - Independence?  That's crazy talk. 

Vote Lisa Murkowski - Alaska Independence Party.

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 01:12 PM (pUfK9)

33 24 She can join the list of dangling chads of 2010!

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 25, 2010 05:10 PM (R2fpr)

There aren't many of us left...

Posted by: a well-hung Chad at August 25, 2010 01:13 PM (YVZlY)

34 By hook or by crook...

Posted by: davidt at August 25, 2010 01:14 PM (QXbzq)

35 She can join the list of dangling chads of 2010!

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 25, 2010 05:10 PM (R2fpr)

There aren't many of us left...

Posted by: a well-hung Chad at August 25, 2010 05:13 PM (YVZlY)

 

I luuuvs me a well-hung Chad! 

Posted by: The Butterfly Ballot at August 25, 2010 01:15 PM (CfmlF)

36 She thinks the AIP will roll over for her because of her "star" power.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2010 01:15 PM (1PeEC)

37 shoot Beck thread, I have to put my 2 cents in

Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Ace Commenter-Go Rays!) at August 25, 2010 01:16 PM (38UQ3)

38

Remember, there's no crying in elections!

 

Wait, I thought (as per yesterday) we were supposed to make 'em cry?

Or is that just the media?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 25, 2010 01:16 PM (QMtmy)

39

I was watching AMessNBC this morning and you should have seen the way they were spinning to completely dimsiss Palin's endorsement of Miller ...when they had previously said it would be a negative for him

Speaking of AMessNBC douchieness. Chunk Turd was doing a story of an MI6 spy being killed over in London.....

...and he pronounced is as M-16

Paging Ted Baxter...

Posted by: beedubya at August 25, 2010 01:17 PM (AnTyA)

40

Alaska is like Peyton Place.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 25, 2010 01:17 PM (RZ8pf)

41

Shorter YRM-

All these 'insurgent' candidates are bad candidates who make winning the election harder.

Refusing to admit defeat against a bad candidate also makes winning the election harder.  Much harder.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 25, 2010 01:17 PM (epBek)

42 Watch your back, Joe.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 25, 2010 01:18 PM (IkEhE)

43 Between daddy Murk and Lisa you'd think she'd just grab that sweet lobbyist cash that would be flowing her way and bow out. Seems like a sweet ticket to me.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2010 01:18 PM (pUO5u)

44

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 25, 2010 05:17 PM (epBek)

you said it better then I could

Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Ace Commenter-Go Rays!) at August 25, 2010 01:19 PM (38UQ3)

45

If that's true, then that's a strike against Fred Thompson. I had not heard this before.

There's more out there than just birther information.

Posted by: polynikes at August 25, 2010 02:48 PM (m2CN7)


Hey polynikes, you left this in the other thread. I thought perhaps you might want it back.

It's funny, I get criticized for talking about the "birther" issue, and how I want to drag it into a discussion, and how I am a "one trick pony"  etc., but when I post nothing even slightly related to the issue, someone decides THEY want to bring it up. 

I actually thought the criticism that I seldom discuss anything else was a reasonably accurate criticism, so I made a little more effort to discuss other stuff. As we approach the election cycle, my interest in "other stuff" is increasing, and therefore so is my motivation for posting comments regarding it.

I would suggest that you allow me to follow your collective advice without attempts to goad me about an issue that I still regard as unresolved, and that I feel was shouted down and suppressed not because it had been proven wrong, but because people simply made up their minds about it (with an absence of facts) and simply couldn't stand hearing anything further regarding it.

Fine. You don't want to discuss it, don't bring it up. I'll make an effort to not bring it up unless I can see some sort of relevance to whatever the thread topic is which is currently being discussed.

That being said, i'll not mention it again till the next relevant thread topic, unless someone else starts some shit about it. 

Sound fair?



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 01:20 PM (eVJ7T)

46 Slight rebuttal to YRM...sometimes it's not the 'outside' candidate that's the weaker choice.  And the 'insider' is, in R-ville, increasingly less likely to be the candidate who would actually work to the desires of their theoretical constituency.  (See RINO, DIABLO, OMBWTFBBQ, etc.)

Beyond that, however, you're pretty well on target here.  Just make sure what you're putting on the ballot before hitting those levers, no?

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 25, 2010 01:21 PM (IkEhE)

47 Oh, and on the thread topic, I predict Murky is toast. 

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 01:21 PM (eVJ7T)

48 Yeah. My bet is they get Haase, the Libertarian, to roll over for her. They will jump at the chance to have someone with an L after her name in the Senate and it's a good fit for Murkowski anyway.

Posted by: Rocks at August 25, 2010 01:24 PM (Q1lie)

49

Only three parties had primaries in the Alaska Senate election - Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians (their guy was unopposed).  I somehow doubt they'll take on Murkowski.

The Atlantic is speculating the Rats will replace their winner, but Murkowski's name didn't pop up in that.  Something tells me Teh Won and Dingy Harry will try to pull another Specter move.

Posted by: steveegg at August 25, 2010 01:24 PM (51MkX)

50 Don't worry. I'm all talk, no cock.

Posted by: "throw the bums out" 2010 at August 25, 2010 01:25 PM (CQFjE)

51 Vote Lisa Murkowski - Alaska Independence Party.

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 05:12 PM (pUfK9)


I predict that if Murkowski actually ran on the Alaska Independence Party, the media would be saying all sorts of wonderful things about them. One would never know that Todd Palin and Sarah through him, was demonized by the media for being connected to such a radical group.

Again, the major problem with this nation is the fact that the media is ALL LIBERAL, and work as a coordinated group to set the topics of discussion in this country.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 01:26 PM (eVJ7T)

52

The Atlantic is speculating the Rats will replace their winner, but Murkowski's name didn't pop up in that.  Something tells me Teh Won and Dingy Harry will try to pull another Specter move.

 

Oh bring it on, Bitchez!  That really worked out well for Ardent Sphincter didn't it?

Posted by: runningrn at August 25, 2010 01:26 PM (CfmlF)

53 I fully support Lisa Murkowski in her attempt to continue to run.

Posted by: Bob Bennett - (R)epulsive Utah at August 25, 2010 01:27 PM (YVZlY)

54 and only the Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans held primaries.

Well, Miller isn't stepping aside. Murky did get an ACU of 70 so I don't think the Dems will take her, and does the LP like pork?

Or I guess she could suddenly come out  in favor of legalizing dope.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2010 01:27 PM (7BU4a)

55 Why would the Libertarians put Murkowski on the ballot when Miller is much closer to being a libertarian than she is?

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 01:28 PM (jbVm4)

56 If Murkowski runs with the AIP because Palin endorsed her primary opponent, does that mean Sarah Palin is no longer a secessionist?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 25, 2010 01:28 PM (mHQ7T)

57 Whew, if it's the libertarians, we're safe.  They don't want to win, they actually get their jollies from losing.

Posted by: Lawyer who drafted the statute at August 25, 2010 01:28 PM (T0NGe)

58 Term Limits people. It's not a panacea, but like chicken soup, it couldn't hoit!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 01:29 PM (eVJ7T)

59 Murky running LP? Ain't gonna happen. AK LP has too long and proud a tradition to suicide that spectacularly.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at August 25, 2010 01:29 PM (g9neE)

60

But if his reading is right (and he is a lawyer), then Murky can only replace a candidate who in turn had previously won a primary -- and only the Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans held primaries.

So one of those three, and I don't think Miller will agree to it.

I'm not sure the Libertarian party would want her.  Also, Palin has a very good relationship with the AK Libertarian party.  Their candidate in '06 dropped out of the race in the final weeks and asked his supporters to vote for her and volunteer for her campaign.  She's spoken at a Libertarian function on at least one occasion.

What the Libertarian Party should do is drop their candidate and endorse Miller. 

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 25, 2010 01:30 PM (IoUF1)

61 I never liked Crist, Tancredo or Specter.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 25, 2010 01:30 PM (mHQ7T)

62 Why would the Libertarians put Murkowski on the ballot when Miller is much closer to being a libertarian than she is?

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 05:28 PM (jbVm4)

Because Miller isn't going to put a big L after his name and she would have to keep it even if she caucuses with the Rs.. Having an actual officeholder in Congress has a lot of legal benefits for a political party.

Posted by: Rocks at August 25, 2010 01:31 PM (Q1lie)

63 I don't think any self-respecting libertarian would be interested.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 25, 2010 01:31 PM (X+sda)

64 Proving once again why shitheads like Murky, Crist, Specter, and many others deserve to lose.  The only thing they are all about is their own power.  Representing and respecting the wishes of their constituents is a joke to them.

Posted by: buzzion at August 25, 2010 01:32 PM (oVQFe)

65 Maybe the plan is to get Miller disqualified.

Posted by: davidt at August 25, 2010 01:32 PM (QXbzq)

66 How the hell can Murkowski run as a Libertarian against a Tea Party approved candidate? That would be like Crist running as a Socialist (all jokes aside). I could see Joe Miller doing that if HE had lost to Murkowski, but WTF?

Posted by: Chris R at August 25, 2010 01:33 PM (AO4qz)

67

I don't think any self-respecting libertarian would be interested.

Are there any of the big-L kind?

Posted by: steveegg at August 25, 2010 01:33 PM (51MkX)

68

Run Lisa Run!

Get while the getting is good!  Now Vamoose!

Posted by: runningrn at August 25, 2010 01:34 PM (CfmlF)

69 "Vote Murkowski-- She's Giving You Another Chance To Get It Right This Time, You Idiots."

Posted by: nickless at August 25, 2010 01:35 PM (MMC8r)

70

I don't think any self-respecting libertarian would be interested.

Are there any of the big-L kind?

 

Well, I've always considered myself a Liberaltarian!

 

 

Posted by: Rosie O'Doughole at August 25, 2010 01:35 PM (CfmlF)

71

I don't think Alaskans would vote for such an obviously self serving bitch.

She is toast, turn her over and butter her ass.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2010 01:36 PM (OlN4e)

72 Senator Murk will be wearing knee pads as she seeks to suck up to parties she was previously too good for ... those parties should give her the opportunity to see if she can suck a golf ball through a hose ... before they send her on her way ...

Posted by: bill at August 25, 2010 01:40 PM (SusEZ)

73 More updates. Murkowski thinking about running as a Dem?

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 01:41 PM (jbVm4)

74 if she does find her way onto the ballot .. that would be a good slogan

"Vote Murky" ... she can suck a golf ball through a hose

Posted by: bill at August 25, 2010 01:42 PM (SusEZ)

75 Ace, thanks for checking on the absentees.

Posted by: Dan at August 25, 2010 01:43 PM (1jzSs)

76 Crist, Murkowski, and Specter are the reasons that so many have a bad opinion of the GOP. They see them being embraced, and then they stab us in the back when we knew they would do it all along. I am so glad we are booting them.

Posted by: Dan at August 25, 2010 01:46 PM (1jzSs)

77 I could see the Dem candidate having a hunting accident or something creating an opening for Murkowski.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 01:46 PM (jbVm4)

78

Some politicians remind me of bratty kids who were their Mummie's darlin's and never did anything wrong.

Now in the real world, they still can't handle that its not all about them.  Aargh!

Posted by: EZB at August 25, 2010 01:47 PM (Ty06w)

79 74 More updates. Murkowski thinking about running as a Dem?

That actually makes sense.  She can't win a 3-way race.

I would think Alaskans are pissed enough about having been tricked into electing Begich, though.

Posted by: Lawyer who drafted the statute at August 25, 2010 01:48 PM (T0NGe)

80 Why didn't I think of that?  All I have to do is put on another hat and she'll take me back!  Yea, that'll work. 

12 Bitter clingers clinging to their power and  D.C. status
Nice

Posted by: spurned lover at August 25, 2010 01:50 PM (0K3p3)

81 We have term limits. Everybody gets one term and then they have to run again. This is government By The People, democracy requires citizen participation. If the citizens are too G-D lazy to participate, then Lenin was right, they get the government they deserve. To get rid of a Teddy, we would lose a DeMint, a Pence, a Sensenbrenner (he called BS on the Katrina aid, if you remember), no guarantee on what would replace them. Freedom is hard and lazy people lose theirs no matter how many terms are limited and there is no way to make it easy. You might as well wait for Obama to pay your gas and mortgage, and everything else you're to lazy to work for.

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 01:52 PM (cX9pO)

82

Lightining will strike me for this but...damn.

http://tinyurl.com/2epcpea

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2010 01:54 PM (pUO5u)

83 The Libertarian Candidate has filed and now is Fredrick "David" Haase. 

According to this page, the only way that Murkowski can get it changed via simple withdrawal is by having it done prior to September 15th:

"Candidates who have withdrawn their name from consideration will be listed on this web page. The withdrawal deadline for a candidate to remove their name from the General Election ballot is September 15, 2010."

Posted by: Dusty at August 25, 2010 01:54 PM (tmRSK)

84 "Original Reportage! But a little late. Drew wrote to the AIP about this possibility, and they wrote back:"

I don't think she could go AIP even without their statement/bylaws.  The Party would have to submit the candidate by June 1 and the only ones that did are R, D and L.  Other Party Groups would have had to submit petitions by the Primary Date.  None have.

Posted by: Dusty at August 25, 2010 01:58 PM (tmRSK)

85 Ace: "But if his [Gabe's] reading is right (and he is a lawyer)..."

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a lawyer. Congress is also loaded with 'em. Seems like a dubious distinction. You should probably read the entrails of a slaughtered chicken just to confirm his findings.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 25, 2010 02:00 PM (swuwV)

86 So, funny how all these "moderates" and "centrists" who are essential to building the party throw a tantrum and do their damnedest to destroy the party whenever they don't get their way.

I know, I know!--more outreach and sensitivity lest we turn them away from the party. Kinda like how we need to keep bending over and walking on eggshells 'round the moslums lest we turn them radical terrorists.

Posted by: jimmuy at August 25, 2010 02:04 PM (jXG2x)

87 Whew, if it's the libertarians, we're safe.  They don't want to win, they actually get their jollies from losing.

Posted by: Lawyer who drafted the statute at August 25, 2010 05:28 PM (T0NGe)

Heh.

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 02:04 PM (pUfK9)

88 I should ask Charlie Christ!

I'll thank you to remember I'm the only Messiah-wannabe around here.

Posted by: The Preznit at August 25, 2010 02:07 PM (yMe1z)

89

this is part of the reason i hate most republicans.

they aren't ideologues. They are just self interested pricks.

Honestly, she's considering running in the general as a libertarian or democrat? First, didn't the democrats hold a primary? Second isn't this a republican wave year? Third, how could the libertarians accepts a big government politician.

Why are so many politicians so short sighted. The republicans will need a candidate to run again Begigich in the next senatorial election, why not wait until then?>

Posted by: Ben at August 25, 2010 02:07 PM (DKV43)

90 If she ran as a Dem, do you think that she would be able to pull the R votes with them knowing voting for her would flip the seat?  Or would they be upset and stay home and vote for Miller?

Posted by: Opus at August 25, 2010 02:10 PM (IebeI)

91 Stupid sock.  It never even passed the bar.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2010 02:10 PM (T0NGe)

92

And if the Losertarian Party picks a big gov't RINO like her because she will give them "free pot, maaaan..." they have just proven further what a joke party they are.

So, funny how all these "moderates" and "centrists" who are essential to building the party throw a tantrum and do their damnedest to destroy the party whenever they don't get their way.

And yet, there are still people here who cling to the myth of the "Fiscal conservative, social moderate"

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 25, 2010 02:10 PM (ujg0T)

93 83 We have term limits. Everybody gets one term and then they have to run again. This is government By The People, democracy requires citizen participation. If the citizens are too G-D lazy to participate, then Lenin was right, they get the government they deserve. To get rid of a Teddy, we would lose a DeMint, a Pence, a Sensenbrenner (he called BS on the Katrina aid, if you remember), no guarantee on what would replace them. Freedom is hard and lazy people lose theirs no matter how many terms are limited and there is no way to make it easy. You might as well wait for Obama to pay your gas and mortgage, and everything else you're to lazy to work for.

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 05:52 PM (cX9pO)


The characteristics of incumbency give an unfair advantage to the incumbent. Were you to argue that they must achieve a greater percentage of the vote every year to win, then you might be producing an offset for the incumbency advantage.

My personal belief is that far too many people are allowed to vote who should not be. The original intent of the founders were that landowners alone should vote, because they possessed an inherent interest in the well being of the nation.

The modern equivalent in my mind, is taxpayers, but the 24th amendment pretty much screwed that up. I think that if voting were limited to the people who actually pay the bills the government runs up, we would never get another liberal person elected to office, and the country would be strong and secure.

It is because we let imbeciles and parasites vote that we are in the trouble we are in.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:10 PM (eVJ7T)

94 Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a lawyer. Congress is also loaded with 'em. Seems like a dubious distinction. You should probably read the entrails of a slaughtered chicken just to confirm his findings.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 25, 2010 06:00 PM (swuwV)


It is an amusing reality of life that Lawyers don't even understand what the law says much of the time.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:12 PM (eVJ7T)

95 Most libertarians have principles.  If Murky runs, she'll run as a Democrat.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 25, 2010 02:14 PM (epBek)

96

And yet, there are still people here who cling to the myth of the "Fiscal conservative, social moderate"

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 25, 2010 06:10 PM (ujg0T)

I've never understood how people can think it is reasonable to expect common sense with money, but not with everything else. The two are inseparable in the real world.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:14 PM (eVJ7T)

97 Dan: "...that so many have a bad opinion of the GOP. They see them being embraced, and then they stab us in the back when we knew they would do it all along. I am so glad we are booting them."

Heh.

You can't kick worth shit.

Posted by: Maverick McMaverick at August 25, 2010 02:15 PM (swuwV)

98 88 So, funny how all these "moderates" and "centrists" who are essential to building the party throw a tantrum and do their damnedest to destroy the party whenever they don't get their way.


Preach it brother.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 02:15 PM (jbVm4)

99 100 88 So, funny how all these "moderates" and "centrists" who are essential to building the party throw a tantrum and do their damnedest to destroy the party whenever they don't get their way.


Preach it brother.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 06:15 PM (jbVm4)


Amen! Halleluia!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:16 PM (eVJ7T)

100 88 So, funny how all these "moderates" and "centrists" who are essential to building the party throw a tantrum and do their damnedest to destroy the party whenever they don't get their way.

I know, I know!--more outreach and sensitivity lest we turn them away from the party. Kinda like how we need to keep bending over and walking on eggshells 'round the moslums lest we turn them radical terrorists.

Ouch.  Stop it.  Stop hitting me.

Posted by: Straw Man at August 25, 2010 02:20 PM (0K3p3)

101

And yet, there are still people here who cling to the myth of the "Fiscal conservative, social moderate"

what about lisa murkowski is moderate or conservative exactly?

Posted by: Ben at August 25, 2010 02:20 PM (DKV43)

102 Diogenes. Truth in that. But incumbents also have more of a record to either promote or defend. A more involved electorate would force them to do just that, not just say I'm here, vote for me. Most candidates for a higher office come from the ranks of lower office holders, so there is some record there, too. It is tempting to disenfranchise idiots, but pretty hard to do. How many well-off people still voted for O?  I'm just saying that democracy is hard, tyranny is easy. As Franklin said "A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it".

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 02:25 PM (cX9pO)

103

this isn't about her politics. it is about character.

it is about accepting the peoples decision and moving on. It is about actually acting in the best interests of your voters, not yourself.

Again, this is why i fucking hate so many republicans. When democrats lose they step aside.

I can only name one Democrat who lost of was going to lose a primary and switched parties or became an independent.

Yet with republicans it is happening all the time. Crist, Spector, Jeffords, maybe murkoswki.

and even worse, when the republican loses he does nothing but bash the people, party and right wingers.

What happened to exiting the stage with grace and dignity. What happened to saying, "thanks for supporting me for such a long time, it was an honor" and then walking away.

Are all republican politicians meglomaniacs?

Posted by: Ben at August 25, 2010 02:25 PM (DKV43)

104 Well, she has no integrity nor convictions, so she's moderate material.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 02:26 PM (jbVm4)

105 The more I think about this possible 3rd party run, the more it makes no sense.
There is no way she will keep even most of the voters she got in this primary if she bails  on  the party and keeps running.

Concede and go away.

Posted by: Brian72 at August 25, 2010 02:26 PM (GNBk5)

106

actually. this is why i thought Romney's speech at CPAC was his best speech by far. He walked away gracefully. He thanked his supporters and acknowledged that it was more important for the party that they close ranks behind  McCain because he was going to win the primary.

i am not a big mitt fan, but i respect him, and that speech was a big reason why.

Posted by: Ben at August 25, 2010 02:29 PM (DKV43)

107 Saw this at HotAir, the guy does sing like Jack Black and look like Chris Farley.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 02:30 PM (jbVm4)

108 Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 06:30 PM (jbVm4)

You gotta be patient, here, man.  It'll show up in 3-5 days.  Then we can all comment how awesome it is.

Posted by: Editor at August 25, 2010 02:33 PM (pUfK9)

109 LOL.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2010 02:33 PM (jbVm4)

110 How many well-off people still voted for O?  I'm just saying that democracy is hard, tyranny is easy. As Franklin said "A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it".

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 06:25 PM (cX9pO)

Lots, but i'm sure there were more taxpayers that wouldn't have. As for Franklin, we aren't keeping it, and most likely it is because we are deviating from the common sense notions of the founders, like restricting enfranchisement.

The founders had not faith in Democracy. They regarded it as mob rule. The opposite extreme was Monarchy. They founded us as a Republic with rights guaranteed which the mob could not gainsay, and restrictions on who could vote for the leadership.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:35 PM (eVJ7T)

111 Libertarian, oh, please.  Miller is more libertarian than she is.

And Dem? Seems to fit, but come on, red state republicans are going to cross over and vote for a female Specter and give Harry Ried a vote? Nada. She's not gonna win either way.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 25, 2010 02:35 PM (L8kaT)

112 Gee, Ben, don't you remember Reagan talking trash about Ford and the Party and threatening to run 3rd party after he lost in '76? Funny, I don't either. Note to Lisa: just STFU, work for the good of the party and country, and come back in 4 years and whip Begich's ass on your own merit, not daddy's holding the door for you. Be a Reagan, not just another whiny little bitch.

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 02:36 PM (cX9pO)

113

What happened to exiting the stage with grace and dignity. What happened to saying, "thanks for supporting me for such a long time, it was an honor" and then walking away.

Are all republican politicians meglomaniacs?

Posted by: Ben at August 25, 2010 06:25 PM (DKV43)


I think part of the problem is the narcissism of the sixties. This generation of politicians are the most spoiled rotten children the nation has ever known. Especially the Democrats, but more and more the Republicans. 

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 02:37 PM (eVJ7T)

114

this isn't about her politics. it is about character.

it is about accepting the peoples decision and moving on. It is about actually acting in the best interests of your voters, not yourself.

Again, this is why i fucking hate so many republicans. When democrats lose they step aside.

Why hello there.

Posted by: Joe Lieberman at August 25, 2010 02:41 PM (plsiE)

115

Diogenes. The problem I see in limiting it to taxpayers is now we have so many taxes everyone can claim to pay some. Even a dope addict at least pays something on food, rent, everything but dope. Of course if some have their way they'll be paying on that, too. Illegals also pay on everything they buy. Hard to draw a line there.

Yes we are a republic, but that is under the broad heading of democracy. Our only hope may be to get more of the 40% or more who don't vote to realise that sitting home and bitching isn't going cut it anymore.

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 02:46 PM (cX9pO)

116 I like Mark Levin's idea I heard the other day.

Let's term limit liberals. Problem solved.

Posted by: Brian72 at August 25, 2010 02:49 PM (GNBk5)

117 Didn't Lieberman successfully pull off this stunt? 

It sure seems you should only be able to run in one primary per election.

Posted by: bill at August 25, 2010 02:58 PM (SusEZ)

118

Yes we are a republic, but that is under the broad heading of democracy. Our only hope may be to get more of the 40% or more who don't vote to realise that sitting home and bitching isn't going cut it anymore.

Posted by: bigred at August 25, 2010 06:46 PM (cX9pO)


It's wish full dreaming, I know. Perhaps after the economic collapse?

In any case, I would suggest that if you pay federal income taxes, you have a vote for any Federal office. If you pay State income Taxes, you have a vote for State office. If you pay County Property Taxes, you have a vote for County Office, etc.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at August 25, 2010 03:02 PM (eVJ7T)

119 Some kind of justice would be if Murkowski wins with the absentee ballots after she has made noises about jumping to dem or Libertarian.
I agree she should be an adult, support Miller and run against Begich in 4 years. She is giving women a bad name by being a spoilsport.

Posted by: Louie at August 25, 2010 03:18 PM (DTfXb)

120

Um, what do you think the chances are that Palin will be on the Murky family Christmas card list? First pops... now Lisa.

 

Palin's don't watch out, their house just might get toilet papered by the Murkys.

Posted by: ObamaSuxDonkeyBalls at August 25, 2010 03:44 PM (w74G6)

121 Lisa might do it (presuming another party nominee wants to step down for Lisa to take over). Afterall, the Murky family ain't exactly fans of the Palins. And since Palin caused this "fiasco".... Lisa just might burn her own house down just to create an eye sore for her neighbors.

Posted by: ObamaSuxDonkeyBalls at August 25, 2010 03:49 PM (w74G6)

122 I still don't think its possible. Here in Colorado, Tancredo had to change his party affiliation by a certain date and then file to run by a certain date. That is why he gave his stupid ultimatum. Murkowski would have to change party affiliation first, then force a primary winner off the ticket. Is there a deadline in Alaska regarding changing party affiliation?

Posted by: Firelight at August 25, 2010 03:55 PM (1kUwC)

123

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Posted by: diet solution at August 25, 2010 04:23 PM (dryD6)

124 22

How pathetic does one have to be to attempt this? I know, I should ask Charlie Christ! He's the Mother of all Sad Sack Losers.

 

What does that make me?  Chopped liver?

Posted by: Benedict Arlen at August 25, 2010 05:10 PM (CfmlF)

Hey Now!

Posted by: Jimmy Carter having kim chi in Pyongyang with Swedish hookers at August 25, 2010 04:59 PM (JiSy5)

125 In 1990 the following occurred (from wiki)

Alaskan Independence Party chairman Joe Vogler seized on this discontent to offer the seats on the AIP ticket to Hickel and Jack Coghill, who had been nominated as the Republican candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Alaska. John Howard Lindauer and Jerry Ward, the previous AIP candidates, stepped aside, citing the illness of Lindauer's wife[7], and Hickel and Coghill prevailed in the general election.


Posted by: Master Of None at August 25, 2010 05:36 PM (UCRLO)

126 THaaanks My Deeer

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