1

Yep!

2 I'm in this boat. Newsletter, please!

3 Having lived in New York State, I know firsthand what a wasted opportunity the Pataki governorship was. I'll be backslapped.

4 On point 5, more is better than less.  There is a thing called momentum and if people are afraid of their jobs, given recent history, they might just stop some crap legislation.  Let the Dems worry about being cohesive.

5 Me. Your newsletter.  Some assembly required.

6 5) Unless we get to 52 or 53 seats, a Republican majority is a Republican minority. There is a reason we call them RINOs. They aren't really Republicans at all. If anything, they despite their colleagues in Congress nearly as much as they abhor the rank-and-file conservative voters who help elect the to office. Yes, yes and yes.

7 I agree with him. We have three cycles to get control back.

8 At least we know Christine O'Donnell will get all the anti-masturbation vote!  Maybe she could even campaign for Mark Kirk here in Illinois on the anti-masturbation theme.. might stretch his lead some, ya know?

http://tli.tl/fciSXB

(apologies for a link to a youtube vid that Maddow dug up..)

9 who's to say castile stood a better chance at winning? he got his ass kicked by some fired-up voters, who will show up again come November. the time has come to return the GOP to a conservative party, not Democrat Light. piss on Rove, little Mikey Steels, and all the rest of the candy asses who somehow have taken the reins of the GOP. if they're not real conservatives, f-em. come November, take no prisoners. i want my country back and i want these no talent ass clowns gone from the GOP. that is all. for now.

10 Lindsey has already got hellhounds on his tail, hellhounds with money. Vetted veterans. The time for him to pack his trash and get on with his life is coming.

11 Someone who gets it.  Gotta love it.

12 Yeah, I'd step into this tent and sit next to a fat, sweaty wonk.

13

Key is that many of us want a CONSERVATIVE Majority, not a Republican majority...

Because those two things are not necesarily the same...

OP is dead on... this sends a messege to the ESTABLISHMENT as well... that we voters are not happy with the Status Quo of EITHER party.

14

An additional thing that getting rid of RINOs does as well is make the Dem candidate tack toward the center. While the only thing holding their feet to the fire to stay toward the center if elected is reelection, that's a major start.

15 crap, Steele, not Steels. same asshole, different name.

16

#5.  4th sentence.  despite s/b despise.

 

word police on patrol.

17 My motto: give me 41 rock solid conservative Senators and a decades long policy of no RINOs on the Judiciary panel.

18 OT but Jim Rome just said about the Ines Sainz incident: "It's hard to bottom-line this one."

Probably not intentional, but

19

Bingo.

If we get a majority that is just a carbon copy of the last majority we had it isn't a question of happiness or non-happiness or of levels of purity.

The question is, simply, what would be the point of doing that?

20

The problem with fighting the Establishment is a question of numbers and organization. They hang together, while we tend to attack separately. It's how small disciplined Roman legions beat larger barbarian forces.

And to them, we are the barbarians. So we need to plan. Not so much a counter-Establishment that will make the same mistakes all over again, but a plan.

Right now, Palin seems to have as much of a plan as anyone.

21 Good post, Ace.  Always good to find a potential upside.

Let's face it, O'Donnell is a Hail Mary to a no-name receiver.

22 Bingo, Ace

(And no, I don't mean I am out of fuel.)

23 Amen brother!  Cornyn, you better hope there isn't a Tea Party challenger in your future.  Next to Steele, you have been the second biggest disappointment to me.

24 When we've seen Congress turn into two rival social clubs who both believe that the key to their perpetual success is to bribe taxpayers with government money, you have to shake the box and start again.

25

Once again I ask: how much pee can you ladle into the punchbowl before it no-longer is considered punch, but punch flavored pee?

26 I can drink this valu-rite.

27 On a more serious note..

It's always been my contention that a near majority is, while not ideal, good enough.  There are a lot more DINO's than there are RINO's, and on some votes, they can be courted to vote along with the minority.

This is more true this year than any other.  Dems are already running away from Obama's policies.  We have Dems in Congress already taking solid stands that the Bush tax cuts should remain for all tax brackets.

If we can get out the vote in large enough numbers, the squishy and Blue Dog Dems will be scared shitless and will be even more likely to vote with us.

I'm not saying we should settle... let's try for a takeover of both houses.  But it isn't all doom and gloom if we don't.. and there's still 2012.

So, it is more important than ever to, as we say in Chicago, vote early and often!

28 This post must be rescinded or we will hold a bonfire and burn some American flags.  Death to America.

29 Olympia Snowe is looking at what is going on right now and saying to herself "OMFG!".

30 Hm.  Well, Ace, when the MFM digs up an O'Donnell scandal, you can refuse to defend her, say "I told you guys" and stay home on election day, just to show that your bona fides are all in order. 

A conservative won.  A RINO who would vote for Obama's every policy lost.  RINOs give take away our ability to complain about them--"Well, we all supported this guy, he won, he's a Republican.  We're stuck with him."

The trick is for Republicans in Delaware to show up in November. 

31 Toomey, Rubio, Miller, Mike Lee - why does everyone ignore the fact that the base tossed out an incumbent Republican in UTAH. That a signal that no one is safe.

32 on Riehl: "Mitt Romney just endorsed her, saying, "Now is the time for Republicans to rally behind their nominee, Christine O'Donnell. She ran an impressive campaign. I believe it is important we support her so we can win back the U.S. Senate this fall." Hugh Hewitt must be in the grip of vertigo.

33 All these points have been made in the comments here, but whoever sent it to you put it together nicely.

34 I agree on all counts.

35 I want a Republican majority in the Senate as much as anyone. I still think we can get there, but I only want to get there if the majority is actually going to govern in a conservative direction

This is a critical point. In 2004 the Republicans held both houses of Congress and the Presidency and didn't do much with it. What is the point in donating to and working for Republican candidates if the best they can offer is a slightly slower growth of the leftwing national socialist state?

36 At least we know Christine O'Donnell will get all the anti-masturbation vote!

I'll keep that in mind if Congress debates comprehensive masturbation reform.

37 Can I get a witness!  Praise God.

We are now one cycle closer to getting rid of Lindsay Graham in 2014

Speaking of God, please Lord make this happen!

38 Goal:  Reduce the power of the federal goevernment to within its Constitutional mandate.

What would Castle do as Senator to advance that goal?  Possibly, though nowhere near certainly, be a step towards a very,very slim Republican Majority in the Senate, an eventuality which is itself questionable as to its contribution to "the Goal".  If the Republicans don't take a majority, and Castle is Senator, he's a liability.

What would O'Donnell do as Senator to advance that goal?  Be a fairly reliable vote towards a smaller government whether the Republicans have the majority or not.

There's your analysis of this race.  And I would've voted for Castle.

39 At least we know Christine O'Donnell will get all the anti-masturbation vote! I'll keep that in mind if Congress debates comprehensive masturbation reform. I tried, believe me. I tried.

40 I was going to send in something making most of these points, but not nearly as well.   Well done. 

41 So I ask, who's the risktaker?

42 Like most (or at least many) conservatives I am torn-  I want legislative majorities.  But, your points (or anonymous' points) are valid.  What has settled this for me most of all is the fact that Crist, Murkowski, and now Castle all felt such a sense of entitlement that they all refused to back their opponents when Republican voters had spoken,; and of course in Crist's and Murkowski's cases continue to pursue their overweening need outside their suposedly chosen party.

Each of these weasel fucks have demonstrated that the voters made the right choice after the fact.

43
If we can get out the vote in large enough numbers, the squishy and Blue Dog Dems will be scared shitless and will be even more likely to vote with us.

Meh. How about we just replace them with people who actually agree with us?

44

Count de Monet:  "It is said that the people are revolting."

King Louie XVI:  "You said it!  They stink on ice!"

 

And by King Louie I mean the GOP

45 The loss of a Senate seat is a significant loss, and while that outcome is far from certain, I feel it is approximately as certain as Castle's Senate voting record prius facto.

So the whole thing left me internally balancing the value of purging un-necessarily liberal Republicans, with the value of a RINO Senate seat. I saw value in both, and regret in both. I was left in ambivalence, driven by the fact that at least, 'I' was under no obligation to pick a side *this time*.

In the end the whole primary was a trade off. I hope we got the better deal, and I stand ready to help make the best out of what we have which is OD as a candidate. And as much as I would want to maximize Castle's chances of voting conservative should he have won the primary, I also want to maximize OD chances of winning the seat, which, if we can pull off, puts us in the definite 'win' category on this one. 

46 And WTF is it with the supposed conservatives who get their talking points from left-wing radio?

47

 I think a fragile Republican majority in the Senate that empowered politicians like Castle and Graham and Snowe would have ended up being a disaster.

I've been wondering if this isn't the case for some time and getting no response from the go-along-to-get-the-majority crowd here.

I also do not agree that the old-boy GOP network is so organized. If that's what you call organized then why have we been so disappointed at their lack of message for so long?

Finally, the various Tea Party organizations cannot be depended upon to present a unified message. The Club for Growth can and the establishment loathes the Club every bit as much as they loathe us.

 

48 This is the End Game, people. We are looking at Greek levels of debt, rivaling our GDP. Our currency is going to be trashed, no one will even want it because it will degrade while it even sits in your wallet. The visigoths are sitting in DC and Wall Street and we have to take it back.

49

And to them, we are the barbarians. So we need to plan. Not so much a counter-Establishment that will make the same mistakes all over again, but a plan.

Well, looking at the history - the Romans got lazy and kept depending more and more on the "barbarians" to provide their muscle. Once the "barbarians" realized that they were the power upholding the Roman throne, they took it. 

50 I also want to maximize OD chances of winning the seat,

(Which is why the instant that she became "our" candidate, I started defending her like I had supported her, but in all fairness, I had not)

51 First this:

5) Unless we get to 52 or 53 seats, a Republican majority is a Republican minority. There is a reason we call them RINOs.

Then this:

It's always been my contention that a near majority is, while not ideal, good enough. There are a lot more DINO's than there are RINO's, and on some votes, they can be courted to vote along with the minority.

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at September 15, 2010 01:17 PM

--------------

Both good arguments.

52 I think there is a terminology problem here - I can understand the wish for a bigger tent for a 'liberal Republican' candidate to win in these iffy states, or for those people who are a bit outside the conservative position themselves. 

But a candidate like that has to show that they are a Republican first - and seeing the recent habit of these "moderates" to vote for the other side, or switch to the other side puts some of the burden of proof on them. If they do like Castle, or Murkowski did and turn on the party, they are and probably always were RINOs, and could not have been counted on.

Its one thing to claim we should work for half a loaf - another to be expected to work for no loaf at all.

53 Meh. How about we just replace them with people who actually agree with us?
Posted by: Rob Crawford
----
Sure.. you're welcome to try, but I'm a realist.

And, anyway.. we still have jug ears in the WH... most folks seem to forget that. There ain't jack shit gonna happen in Congress for 2 years.  The best we can do is some compromises, but mostly we'll have to settle for a shutdown.

54 Well-said Ace-- this, and your previous post on vetting.

You may place your penis inside my vagina.

55 The loss of a Senate seat is a significant loss...

What loss? The seat is currently held by a Democrat.

56 Not totally convinced, but some pretty good arguments.

It was more the self-righteous cultishness of O'Donnell supporters that bothered me more than the actual fact that they wanted to vote for her or didn't like Castle (what conservative would?)?

57



I have whiplash now.

58
Sure.. you're welcome to try, but I'm a realist.

You don't think it's possible to replace Blue Dogs with actual conservatives?

You seriously need to get out of the (corrupt) Duchy of Chicago.

59

All these points have been made in the comments here...

Why YES THEY HAVE.  In fact, it's all been said every time this issue has come up during prior elections.  Jeebus...but those saying so were PURISTS and UNREALISTIC and called any number of names.

Criminy.

But it doesn't deserve acknowledgement until now, I suppose.

We're not purists.  We're not unrealistic.  And we're not idiots. 

We happen to be RIGHT.

60 It was more the self-righteous cultishness of O'Donnell supporters that bothered me more than the actual fact that they wanted to vote for her or didn't like Castle (what conservative would?)?

Meh, I chalk that up to emotional investment.

61 delaware's is the first state and it's motto is liberty and independence i think christine needs to state that as much as possible....if we are going to take back our gov't it should begin with delaware.

62 Hey, Ace-- Just wanted to give you a shout out for the great coverage of this. It's been damn hard for me to follow, what with Castle's Nazi sympathizing and O'Donnell's Cult of the Sacred Sperm, but I think you've really been fair in terms of what you thought, what you wanted, and what the opposing sides are. So, thanks.

63 I posted this before the vote yesterday along the same lines: remember Bob Michel, the Republican minority leader pre ‘94? He was always happy to go along to get along with his bosses, the Democrats. That’s how it went for 40 years; the House Republicans grateful for whatever crumbs the Democrats would let them have. It seems that many state Republican parties, Delaware, NY, Maine and more still suffer from that disease. “it’s a blue state, we can’t win...” We’re conservatives because we believe in personal and economic freedom and liberty. That is a winning message. We can elect conservative candidates anywhere - see Chris Christie and Scott Brown. They may not be perfect, but they are far better than the alternatives. It seems obvious at this point that O’Donnell has her flaws, but at least prior to the current scorched-earth campaign, she could win.

64
It was more the self-righteous cultishness of O'Donnell supporters that bothered me more than the actual fact that they wanted to vote for her or didn't like Castle (what conservative would?)?

Totally unlike the self-righteous cultishness of the Castle Crowd, who immediately upon loosing declared it's their ball and they're going home, right?

65 Christ, Schwarzenegger, Lindsey Graham, Snowe?  Scalps. 
Some disassembly required.

66

Related - in a polar opposite sense:

Good, maybe they'll take him and let him continue his bullshit socialist shit over there:

http://tinyurl.com/2fkqnqe

 

67 What loss? The seat is currently held by a Democrat.

It's called opportunity loss. Whole segments on human decisions revolve around it. Live learn read...

68
Rebuilding year, folks.

Go for the end zone, but don't be crushed if we don't win the Super Bowl.

69 I'm thinking I need another czar. Perhaps one for ships' registry or bankruptcy. I'm gonna call Mike Castle. I hear he's available.

70 Think Orrin Hatch is hearing footsteps?

71 emperor you forgot mccain

72 Unfortunately, GOP institutions stink on ice. We need an organization like the NRSC, who could: do some vetting, handle GOTV, keep its ear to the ground with polling and news, raise money from where it was most effective to be raised and prioritize it where it would do the most good, and put out a coherent message of what the party stands for. It's just not the NRSC we have. In fact, if we were looking around for someplace that filled more of these needs than others, it might be found at a certain kitchen table in Wasilla.....

73 Sure it's possible.. It's just not gonna happen this election.  It will take at least a few more cycles.

It would be ideal if all the blue dog senators were up for re-election this Nov with the mood of the country.

74 49 This is the End Game, people.
We are looking at Greek levels of debt, rivaling our GDP. Our currency is going to be trashed, no one will even want it because it will degrade while it even sits in your wallet.

And not to forget what is spinning overseas - namely several thousand Iranian centrifuges to enrich uranium. They got their own nuclear plant now as well, complements of V. Putin.  The only question is if the Iranians will test a nuclear weapon first or simply use it on Israel first (via Shahab-3 missile or a Hezzie subsidiary).

/In the end, there will be only chaos. 

75 Christine O'Donnell finds masturbation morally reprehensible.

Lonely Candy-Ass RINO Blogger Masturbation Addicts, Allapundit and Ace Hardest hit.

76

Ok, how about some funneh?

 

77 I'm all for purging the current dreck as long as the people we replace them with are actually conservative. And, secondarily, light on the Charlie Manson eyes.

78

Hugh Hewitt must be in the grip of vertigo.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 15, 2010 01:18 PM (AZGON)

L-O-fucking-L

79

Message to Castle(Diablo):

Dude, you got beat by a Girrrl

out here

80 39 At least we know Christine O'Donnell will get all the anti-masturbation vote!

I'll keep that in mind if Congress debates comprehensive masturbation reform.



Comprehension masturbation?  Damn wish I done that.

81 But a candidate like that has to show that they are a Republican first - and seeing the recent habit of these "moderates" to vote for the other side, or switch to the other side puts some of the burden of proof on them. If they do like Castle, or Murkowski did and turn on the party, they are and probably always were RINOs, and could not have been counted on.

Indeed. The Democrats are normally much better at this then we are. In theory they got a large number of "moderate" Democrats elected in 2006/8, but they all vote the way the left wants when there is an important vote.

On our side, people like Graham seem to take relish in attacking other Republicans and screwing us over on important votes.

There is room for moderates in even a conservative Republican party. But they cannot be in the drivers seat, and any real "moderate" has to be willing, at a minimum, to support rolling back every significant piece of legislation that we gotten under Obama. If you support  Obamacare you are not a moderate.

82 logprof: Let's face it, O'Donnell is a Hail Mary to a no-name receiver. With the proper backing and strat she could be a Doug Flutie. We shall see. Has the O'Donnell contribution site come back up.I took the time to send Angel a few bones while waiting for the site to get back up because Rove, you magnificent bastard, you pissed me off so much that it forced me to part with cash that I kinda need right now.

83 The counter-argument to #3 tho, is that after O'Donnell loses in Nov (which she almost certainly will), GOP primary voters will be more cautious about purging RINOs in the future, particularly in blue or purple states: When Olympia Snowe, ect, make the electability argument against their conservative primary opponents, they will be able to point to Delaware 2010 as a cautionary tale, and even tho those opponents might be much stronger general election candidates than O'Donnell, with a good shot at winning, enough voters may decide not to risk throwing another seat away (this is especially true if DE or DE + NV costs us control of the Senate).  

84

What got the GOP kicked out of power in the first place?

It was acting like Democrats that got them kicked out.

You people who think it's a swell idea to keep fronting RINOs because they're "electable" are really stupid.

85 Rob Crawford,
I hang out in conservative circles, so most of the idiocy I saw was from the O'Donnell camp.  But you are right that it went both ways at least some.  I lost respect for both Mark Levin and Karl Rove.  I didn't lose respect for the NSRC because I didn't have any.
I lost respect for Palin too but not because of her O'Donnell endorsement, but because of her Ayotte endorsement.

86 I seriously do NOT understand why Republican leaders don't get it that even and independent like me wants Republican candidates to be more conservative.  I am basically a libertarian, so there are a lot of things that real conservatives value in the political realm that are totally against what I would support, and EVEN STILL, I want Republicans to be more conservative.  The relentless progressive drift to tyranny HAS to be stopped and it is going to take serious stones to make it happen.  We can't have as much compromise as we have had in the past or we are doomed.  The Republican party needs to go in this fall planning to wage scorched earth war if necessary to take down the statist crap that Obama has done.  They just have to.

87 Is Christine married? If not is she the first unmarried women to run for US Senate on a major party ticket? Would she be first unmarried female Senator?

88

Same thing happend in NJ with Whitman. And she went on to help create the monstrosity that the EPA is today.

BTW...Bubba is scared

http://tinyurl.com/28lovfp

Clinton pointed to the tea party movement's influence on the GOP.

"The Boston Tea Party was protesting abuse of power. This is now trading public power for the abuse of private power,"

Ah, I see now- WE are the ones who are abusing our power. Last I checked Mr. Stinky Fingers; this a Republic governed by the people for the people. Shameless Jack-off!

 

89 Treacher's headline regarding Castle is nice: DelawareÂ’s #1 export: sour grapes

90 When does the RINO candy ass apology parade begin?

Romney and the NRSC have a float ready.

91
shit, Ayotte won

I mean...

yay, Ayotte won!

92 Yep all well said.

The EEE (Entitled Elite Establishment) must go or at least be scared well to the right.

93

Ditto for me.  I don't buy all this doomsday 'it's now or never' talk.  

Don't tell me we simply must stop the Obama train wreck before it does irreparable damage.  Don't tell me we simply must go more moderate because Americans aren't really into conservatives, especially when the damn GOP is the biggest reason why some Americans might have a bad opinion of conservatives.

As the man said, the goal is a true Republican majority, not GOP-light, and it's time we sacrificed to get it.  If that means we have to wait till 2012 or 2014, so be it.  I've seen what GOP-light got us.  It got us a Democrat majority.  It got us so much spending that it opened the door for more spending.  It got us people who are too corrupt to call anyone else out for corruption.  It got us a GOP scared to call a spade a spade.  And it got us Barack Obama.  Argument over.      

94 Phoenixgirl,
McCain is a tough SOB.  Our Hayworth knife was just too dull to do the required slicing.

95
So Gov Palin is 2-for-2.

96 68 What loss? The seat is currently held by a Democrat.

It's called opportunity loss. Whole segments on human decisions revolve around it. Live learn read...

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 15, 2010 01:27 PM (0q2P7)

Read for yourself.  It's neither a gain, nor a loss, until November 3.

I've had my fill of the self-fulfilling prophecies from the Eeyore contingent.  Please, pitch in or piss off.

97 OD has raised over $250,000, now going for $350,000.  Site is goofy, says -95%, think they mean 95%?

http://tinyurl.com/24xnn3l

98 Just remember folks.

Sister Sledge says it best.

99 Make this man a co-blogger, Ace!

100
Wait, that's not right. Sarah probably endorsed a lot more than 2 candidates for Tuesday.

Any one know how all her endorsees did on Tuesday?

101 Some Positive Stuff About A Purge
[wipes mouth]

Well, kept my career going, that's for sure.

102 Ooh, Orrin Hatch, add him to the list.  We can do better than that in Utah.  His scalp will make a nice his-and-hers matched set with Bennett's.

103 emperor agreed

104

Hot Air has an interveiw with O'Donnell on ABC that was done this morning.

She seems a lot more well spoken and reasonable then most of the candidates out there. She answered the crap Rove and the Republicans dug up.

I'm not seeing the crazy bitch stuff I have heard so much about. This is the only time I've seen her though.

I did enjoy Palin's polite beat down of Carl Rove on fox this morning though. She and O'Donnell both now have made him look like a baby whining and shaking his rattle.

105 Sour Grapes?

106 They fixed it, she raised over $300,000 today!

Guess she's going to get a nicer apartment!

107 kemp she was only trying for 50k

108 Any one know how all her endorsees did on Tuesday?

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 15, 2010 01:34 PM (uFokq)

I read somewhere she went 4 out of 5.

109 Guess she's going to get a nicer apartment!

LOL!

110 We need to get O'Donnel a Purple Mini Skirt and some Bauhaus T's!

111 You people who think it's a swell idea to keep fronting RINOs because they're "electable" are really stupid.

Fuck you.

112

Hmmm.... interesting question for the Morons...

Would it be better to have 41 SOLID Conservative Senators? or 51 with 11 or 12 or those being RINO or squishy?

113 Holy Shit the site is over loaded.   Looks like the bitter clingers are paying up!

114 #52 Which is why we aim for the majority. If we pick up an unthinkable 10-12 seats, we are going to have some Rinos but a mountain of fresh blood and conservatives out to prove themselves- and empowed by a majority. Thats the kicker- the new blood means nothing if it cant do ANYTHING, and while Obama can veto, that doesnt stop the GOP majority senate from doing stuff and trying. Ace doesn't imply by his "51 means nothing if a jeffords flips" that we dont try to win certain races btw- he is just reminding us of a sobering possibility. But with a 51/52 seat senate, and an election just over 2 years later, its wiser for Snowe to track a little to the right and stay with the GOP than bail- even in Maine look at the Specter example. he bolted the GOP for the Democrats, and lost to the Democrats who saw he was an opportunist. Its better for HER to stay put. Same for Brown in Massachusetts- so we have 2 "rinos" who will be pretending to be conservatives- take it for what we can make with it with a senate majority.

115 Nice essay with a lot of great points, and I'd like to add one more. I think this will empower some of our friends on the left to take back the reins of their own futures from the establishment bunch in their own party. It would be good for our country to see a genuine grassroots movement spring up on the left, as opposed to today's ersatz heavily-funded, "community-organized", bussed-in, union-run, whip-cracking, incumbency-protecting and crony-profitting style of activism that you see today.

116
You guys ever play Blackjack?

You ever sit next to an asshole while playing Blackjack who blames his losing hand on you for taking a card or not taking a card?

"You took my eight!" "You took my five!"

Look, Castle wasn't a sure thing. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it so.

117 Looks like the RINOs are now bitter clingers

118

Read for yourself.  It's neither a gain, nor a loss, until November 3.

I've had my fill of the self-fulfilling prophecies from the Eeyore contingent.  Please, pitch in or piss off.



From the same post you are quoting...
and while that outcome is far from certain, I feel it is approximately as certain as Castle's Senate voting record prius facto.

And as much as I would want to maximize Castle's chances of voting conservative should he have won the primary, I also want to maximize OD chances of winning the seat, which, if we can pull off, puts us in the definite 'win' category on this one. 



F* you read the whole comment next time.

119 To the original poster, THANK YOU!! This is perhaps the best, most persuasively written argument for voting conservative/Tea Party I've ever seen. I know many here are pragmatists by heart. I respect that. Really, I do. What I would like to ask those of you who are pragmatists is this: What good does a "victory" do us when the results are different that a Democrat winning the seat? Seriously? What would a Mike Castle win have done to advance conservatism? Anything at all? No, chances are it would have only emboldened other RINOs to keep on screwing us over just like they have been. It is going to take several election cycles of focused, determined and consistent voting to establish a true conservative majority in Congress. The time we are living in is extraordinary. If we cannot do it now, then we may as well just throw our hands up and admit defeat. We MUST prevail against not only the statist liberals, but perhaps even more importantly, the slightly less statist Republican establishment. The Tea Party has grown from humble beginnings to a tidal wave force in barely 2 years. We have to take advantage of this opportunity. There will never be a better chance to wrest control from the McCain/Snowe/Graham wing of the party. They are on the ropes! Do not let them worm their way out. Those of you who are pragmatists, please, understand where we "purists" are coming from. We all want to get to the same goal. But diluting our vote to elect people who have PROVEN time and time again that they WILL vote against us is not a win. We must be willing to fight the long war, not just the short battles. We will not win every election. But if we keep plugging away, demanding that the Republicans run proper conservative candidates who articulate common sense conservative values, we will eventually build a second Reagan majority. Please join us.

120 110 kemp

she was only trying for 50k

That was this morning.  She raised that in an hour, then went to $200, now she's going for $350, she's got 80% of that.  Bet she closes the day with $500K

121

I read somewhere she went 4 out of 5.

ah, so she's losing her influence and she's clearly on a losing streak.

122 So in the name of getting along, is Castle now going to support OD? Why is it that conservatives must buck up and support RINO's at all cost yet when the shoe is on the other foot, they take their ball and go home? What a sophmorish prick this guy is. Maybe he should have debated her eh?

123

Clinton pointed to the tea party movement's influence on the GOP.

"The Boston Tea Party was protesting abuse of power. This is now trading public power for the abuse of private power,"

If the tea party is moderately successful we'll be back to 2008 levels of government in four years. If it is wildly successful, we'll have 1988 levels of government in four years.

Why is this considered extreme? Were we in Hume's war of all men against each other in the 80s?

124 "Please, pitch in or piss off."

Yes, please pitch in to help Angle, Rossi, Whitman.  O'Donnell too if that's your thing, but any effort that gets O'Donnell from 18 poitns back to 8 points back is wasted if it could have got one of those three over the hump.  Flipping the bird to the NSRC is always good, but making Harry Reid or Barbara Boxer cry is so much sweeter.

125 also- Voinovich, Murkowski, and Bennet are GONE so the Rino coalition further implodes in the senate. I wouldn't worry about Kirk because he absolutely needs the conservatives to close the deal for him at this point and has sent off firing shots BEFORE all of this that he isnt as liberal has he serves to be in IL-10 (the convos with the Palin camp pre-primary and post primary, the mutual endorsements between him and true-conservative Brady, his posturing about being the 42nd vote in the Lame Duck). I wouldn't worry about Fiorina, Raese, Rossi, Johnson, or McMahon either- the conservative explosion is what is driving them up- particularly Carly who is benefiting from increased support and projected turnout in redder areas. Fight for 10-11 seats, get them, and go from there.

126 Palin Goes 4 Out 5, Has She Lost Her Mojo?

127 best analysis yet.

128 Castle is out?

Castle is out?

O'Donnel is in?

Wait a minute, Castle is out?!?

129 "29 Olympia Snowe is looking at what is going on right now and saying to herself "OMFG!"." Olympia's mirror says the same thing every morning. Please tell me no one ever screwed this brain dead hag. Ain't enough tequila in Mexico or drugs in California to make that happen. I'd rather screw Liberace, and he's been dead for quite some time now.

130

For the love of Pete!

Ace, you're going on like 24 hours here. I dig that some of you can dissect this....repeatedly. No seriously. You're commitment is to be applauded. But for those of us that can't, can you at least stick up an open thread or something, man. I beg of you!!

131 Guess she's going to get a nicer apartment!
Posted by: Kemp at September 15, 2010 01:36 PM

Heh.

132 Would it be better to have 41 SOLID Conservative Senators? or 51 with 11 or 12 or those being RINO or squishy?

Tough choice, and reasonable conservatives can go either way.  Obviously some folks in the party think that makes me a bad person, but we have to remember that those folks are retards.

133 Are the Republican Party leaders smart enough to see which way this parade is heading and to run to the front of it?

134 ...a clear message to the Republican party that they should not back RINOs for election races. Period. Look for viable conservative candidates or lose.

For those about to rock, I salute you.

135
The best way to heal the divide at AoS is to put up a nice scathing post about Coons.

136

Hmmm.... interesting question for the Morons...

Would it be better to have 41 SOLID Conservative Senators? or 51 with 11 or 12 or those being RINO or squishy?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 15, 2010 01:37 PM (H+oXM)

Just pull the lever.  They'll circle the bowl a few times but if we are serious about taking the country back from the effing "political class", all the turds will eventually go down the hole.

137 There is no way Odonnell can beat a guy that admits he's a Marxist.

Plus, the media will say bad things about her.

Plus, Obama will come to DE and campaign for Coon.

138 OD donation site still down.  Could this be a dirty trick, a DOS attack?

Moron Geeks we need answers.  Or did she just hire a cheap service?

139 89 Is Christine married? If not is she the first unmarried women to run for US Senate on a major party ticket? Would she be first unmarried female Senator?

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2010 01:31 PM (C7OIp)

--Is that slut Maria Cantwell a Sentor?  I know she's not married.

140 Can anyone dig up that list of names of the members of Congress who are proud members of the Communist Party of the USA? I have misplaced the link.

141 That's a good post.

142 5) Unless we get to 52 or 53 seats, a Republican majority is a Republican minority.

I happen to know based on a first-hand conversation, that as of last week that the Senate Republicans were expecting to get 52 seats. 

The thing that needs to change in the Senate is the stiffness of the leadership's spine in dealing with folks like Snowe and Collins.  They should be stripping them of plum committee assignments.  I don't see how electing neophytes (and slightly nutty neophytes in some cases) to the Senate (if they manage to win the general) changes the dynamics at the top.  They're junior senators, and in some cases with very weak connections to the party, and will have to toe the line to get re-elected and move up. 

And here's a thing about Castle that occurred to me when I read a pro-O'Donnell person's comment on an earlier thread.  He's 70 years old.  He is not the future of the GOP (as that person pointed out), but he was the perfect place-holder candidate to get Delawarians accustomed to the notion of voting for someone other than a Democrat. 

Instead we're taking a huge risk that voters with no recent, reliable history of voting conservative will vote for someone who, frankly, quite a few conservatives find unpalatable... when we could have offered them their former governor, someone who had previously won a state-wide office. 

143

O'Donnell is already up $350,000, and will likely hit over $500,000 by the end of today just through her website.

Yep, she's such an impossible candidate, and hated too.

144 But for those of us that can't, can you at least stick up an open thread or something, man. I beg of you!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 15, 2010 01:43 PM (pLTLS)

Can you stick up your lacy Underalls -- someplace where we can all see and admire them?  I beg of you!

145 Thanks for this analysis!  I was upset last night at O'Donnell's win because I was thinking as a pragmatic.  But now I think I am convinced that it was a good thing.  Keep the momentum going.  Show in office Repubs they had better stick to conservatism.  I feel so much better!   

146

Why is this considered extreme? Were we in Hume's war of all men against each other in the 80s?

Excuse me?

 

147 The best way to heal the divide at AoS is to put up a nice scathing post about Coons.

Posted by: the Politico at September 15, 2010 01:44 PM (uFokq)

Wait, you mean we should be attacking our opposition instead of attacking our allies?

WTF kind of strategery is that?

148

It is time to say Adios Muchacho to Senator Gramnesty.

 

And as for the Tea Party candidates, it wasn't all beer and skittles last night.

The Tea Party candidate in New Hampshire lost in a close one to the Sarah Palin backed candidate for Senator.

There's going to be some scattering of results this fall. But it's pretty clear that the Tea Partiers have zeroed in on the "incumbent" target enough to tell their artillery to "fire for effect".  They won't hit every time, but most of the shots will do some good.  The barbarians are coming to the polls--and that's a good thing.  

And I expect we barbarians will be back in 2012--and maybe, if necessary, we'll rinse and repeat in 2014 as we clean the crud out of Congress.

149 Snowe benefits more by tacking a little to the right over the next 2 years and sticking with the Republicans than risking to jump ship- Specter, not Castle, is the most relevant example for her. Republicans are resurging in New England and she still remains very popular despite the psych-out poll from PPP. She defies everyones expectations and remains liberal BUT sticks with the GOP to fight Obama in the votes, she ends up stronger in 2012 than she was in 2006. Brown benefited from Palin's faux bashing to rebuff attacks from lefties that hes too conservative- the Massholes love him just fine and he can vote as he votes- no advantage to him to bail either. So who WOULD be the jeffords? Kirk, Snowe, Brown are all out. the aforementioned 3 booted/retiring RINOs are gone too. Judd Gregg is gone as well. McCain isn't going anywhere, old bastard. So who? Collins? Lugar?

150 143 89 Is Christine married? If not is she the first unmarried women to run for US Senate on a major party ticket? Would she be first unmarried female Senator?

Mikulski...

is allegedly a woman. 

151 http://christine2010.com/

152 139
The best way to heal the divide at AoS is to put up a nice scathing post about Coons.

Or cheerleaders!

153

Christine O'Donnell finds masturbation morally reprehensible.

Give her 30 years and after the effects time and gravity have on her  she'll probably discover it's less reprehesible than she thinks it is now. 

154
I know, robtr, but I just had a crazy notion, is all.

155 BTW, if Castle can't get behind O'Donnell now, the man is trash and should never be the Republican candidate for anything ever again.  He doesn't have to wax her legs--all I'm asking for is a a statement of support. 

156

Give her 30 years and after the effects time and gravity have on her  she'll probably discover it's less reprehesible than she thinks it is now. 

Posted by: Ugly Old Woman at September 15, 2010 01:47 PM (qaOKJ)

You said it.

157 We elect RINO's... we are giving Obama a second term.

He will go on and on about BI PARTISAN SUPPORT.... ect.
RINOS will line up to reach across the aisle...

SCREW THAT.

The answer from Republicans needs to be HELL NO to anything that idiot in the White House wants.. Let America see a Marxist in the White house.. not a guy who gets along with everyone.

158 I would like to see a new thread on that crazy candidate from DE.

You know the one, the marxist commie sympathizer big govt big spending democrat.  Coon the Loon.

159
y'all hear the clip of Bill Maher's nasty comments on Jay Leno?

Nothing offends me, but that man is offensive.

^{hahaha, Andrew Sullivan used to write that a lot -- "Nothing offends me...but..."}

160

Spot.Effin'.On.

161 The thing that needs to change in the Senate is the stiffness of the leadership's spine in dealing with folks like Snowe and Collins.  They should be stripping them of plum committee assignments.  I don't see how electing neophytes (and slightly nutty neophytes in some cases) to the Senate (if they manage to win the general) changes the dynamics at the top.  They're junior senators, and in some cases with very weak connections to the party, and will have to toe the line to get re-elected and move up. 

And here's a thing about Castle that occurred to me when I read a pro-O'Donnell person's comment on an earlier thread.  He's 70 years old.  He is not the future of the GOP (as that person pointed out), but he was the perfect place-holder candidate to get Delawarians accustomed to the notion of voting for someone other than a Democrat. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2010 01:45 PM (osFsP)

Point one: even the neophytes get to vote for the Senate leadership.  If there are enough of these TEA Party "nuts" in the GOP Senate caucus, maybe Mitch McConnell will need to think about toeing the line a bit himself.

Point two: Wow, Castle is 71 years old.  He might therefore only have been in that Senate seat for another 20-plus years.  I note that there are several octogenarians or near-octogenarians running for re-election to six year Senate terms.

162 When does the RINO candy ass apology parade begin?

After she wins the general.

Anyhow, I agree with this post.  Well said.  The GOP is and has been the problem for a long time.  Only, I'd prefer to upset the establishment with good candidates.  Rubio is awesome.  O'Donnell... I don't know, man.  I hope it turns out well.

163 The Rinos that remain are mostly concentrated in red states- so flipping parties GUARANTEES they lose reelection and power- power they covet over anything else. The only risky RINO would be Collins, but shes lesbo parters with Snowe and since as I have said it makes no sense for her to leave, none for Collins either. (funny thing too- Collins had a higher ACU rating than Castle) I don't think the Jeffords scenerio really plays out this time. The Rinos covet power and reelection and are now an endangered species outside of new england- where the political tide has turned so it makes little sense to jump ship for them and risk their precious power. RINOs arent the thing to worry about at this point- its the hearsay, the rumors, the faux stories pushed to try to divide us and stop us from flipping the Senate.

164

Piss off DrewM, and send her whatever you can.

http://christine2010.com/

Is $20.00 too much to help a vetted GOP candidate? Vetted at slaying RINOS.

165 Damn it people!

Christine O'Donnell robs banks and kills kittens and kicks homeless bums and wants to mutilate children's genitalia and wants to kill Jews and hears the voice of Jesus and is functionally retarded and shits her pants and eats black babies and wants to deprive your kids of porn and secretly thinks Hitler was cool and lies about her eight-grade education and sniffs dogs asses and steals food from nursing homes and farts in front of senior citizens and thinks the world is flat and secretly wants to return to the age of horse and buggies and hates hats and wants to ban all books and bite the heads off bats and thinks the South will rise again and listens to Sweet Home Alabama and thinks that JFK was a fucking cunt and laughs a Michelle Obama's huge ape-arms and thinks Barry has man-boobs and eats opossum soup and shots squirrels and...........UNELECTABLE!!!!!!!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

166 Susan Collins [R-Maine] is unmarried. The in Olympia Snowe's life seem to be fleeting.

167
oh, and guess what else.

Ayotte won but it was a battle. You can bet your sweet lily white asses she moved a little further to the right because of that unvetted teabbagin outsider Lamontaigne.

168 Wait Wait, Coon is a self described Marxist!???!! Ha HA ha HAHA that cannot be true no way. Some are saying O'Donnell cannot win or have no chance against a SELF DESCRIBED MARXIST??!!!!

169 Hey where's that BIG announcement from Tom Kaine??

170
Ines Sainz Bottom Line^tm: Tea Party candidates push everyone in the GOP to the Right.

And that's a good thing.

171 Sorry for my multi-post point of rebuttal to Ace, but I am trying to lay out why it makes less political power sense for them to flip than to stay (the remaining Rinos). McCain served as a route that Snowe will likely take, on a less dramatic scale. And I posted in another thread that O'Donnell would raise $500k today thanks to the NRSC crap last night. Again, no way that was PLANNED to happen like that to help her.

172

I'm with Lacey, this dead horse has had enough. Time to focus on money-bombs for friendlys and scorn and contempt for Libs. A pudding fest of monumental proportions awaits us in just 48 short days...keep your eyes on the prize.

 

173 This post + Vetting Post + Ace + whoever wrote that above.

Assemble.  Win.

Ace, firing on all cylinders today. 

174 MikeTheMoose,

Taking a future result as certain is never wise policy.

I prefer to work towards the possibility than to wallow in doom and defeat.

If you want to assume all is lost just because it got a lot harder, fine.  But if you don't make the effort because it's 'too hard', I never want to hear another kvetch about 'not voting for McCain was a vote for Obama'.

EVER.

AGAIN.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, or your corpses until the battle's done.

175
dude, the posts contradict each other

176 Welcome.  This is what we have been saying for a long time and getting are heads bashed in for believing in just this premise.

177 171 Susan Collins [R-Maine] is unmarried. The in Olympia Snowe's life seem to be fleeting. Posted by: Museisluse at September 15, 2010 01:52 PM (DTfXb) Her and Snowe have been...at it..for years. Funny thing is the shifts in New Hampshire this year will likely push them towards the McCain route (MCCAIN 2010 Conservative Edition) for at least the next 2 years.

178 "You took my eight!" "You took my five!"

Look, Castle wasn't a sure thing. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it so.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 15, 2010 01:38 PM (uFokq)

+1000

179 are=our

180

_{...keep your eyes on the prize.}

That's not acceptable behaviour!.

181

₊₁₀₀₀

On a Hard 18!?!?

You're killing my game!!!!

182 174 Hey where's that BIG announcement from Tom Kaine??

Zombie Stalin to run Coon's campaign. 

183 Saying Castle could have won is pointless. He lost the primary. He isn't the candidate. Donate and help every single primary winner you can. If you are in Illinois, help Kirk, Brady, and your local congressional candidate. Here in Cali? Help Fiorina and your local congressional candidate (Whitman as we all know has a factory warehouse in Freemont filled with Ebay-stamped gold bars---shes doing pretty good).

184 The White House and its allies are plotting campaigns they hope can bolster public opinion of the health care overhaul and improve the DemocratsÂ’ chances at the polls this fall.

Yes, please do this.  Let the WAVE begin. Bwaahahahahah.

185
The RINO bleating around here is becoming unseemly.

186 Oh yeah, Maria Skankwell is a Senator.

Wiki lists her religion as Roman Catholic [laugh track].

187

He doesn't have to wax her legs--all I'm asking for is a a statement of support. 



I'll wax her ... legs.

She's so hot, the Coons has a HUGE picture of HER up. 

http://www.chriscoons.com/splash/

It's not some shadowy, weirdly colored picture, but a nice headshot.

The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins.  I've high hopes for the blithering masses in Delaware who will just pick the nicest looking person.

188

While I agree with most of what is said, I just think when you find that real conservative, you need to make sure it is someone like Joe Miller, who does not have a bunch of wacky background stuff that is the equivalent of scoring an own goal.

There had to be someone with solid conservative principles who did not have all of that extra baggage in DE.

189

We need to stop celebrating that a RINO has been purged and build on the momentum by concentrating on winning the general. I know it feels satisfying to kick the establishment GOP while it's down, but it will all be for naught if we don't use it to stem to tide of socialist policies being pushed by Congress and the White House.

190 If there are enough of these TEA Party "nuts" in the GOP Senate caucus

Being in the TEA Party doesn't make someone nuts, so don't imply that I said that. 

He might therefore only have been in that Senate seat for another 20-plus years.

Well, we won't be able to do that experiment.  You have your opinion and I have mine.  All I know was that he was asked by members of his party to give up his secure seat and run for the Senate and he did it.  If all he cared about was job security, he would have stayed put. 

I'm just wondering why some of you, who slap the RINO tag on anyone who doesn't toe your particular purity line (including the Republicans who are leading the Republican party - neat trick that), are still Republicans. 

191 I sent her $50.00.

Bagging a RINO deserves that. Wish I could give more.

192
The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins. 

--But we had better hair!!

193 I forgot my trademark, Coon the Loon^tm  Copyright, copyright, copyright, patent pending.

194 After all the dissapointements in the last what? 20 years? Being a fiscal conservative first and Republican second, I find this all very refreshing. Even with the in-fighting and circular firing squads. Which leads me to say....Thanks Nancy!

195 The best way to heal the divide at AoS is to put up a nice scathing post about Coons.

Posted by: the Politico at September 15, 2010 01:44 PM (uFokq)

 

See?  More proof of all the racism on the right!!1!111!!!1!

196 197
The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins. 

--But we had better hair!!


Bull shit on that!

197
The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins.  I've high hopes for the blithering masses in Delaware who will just pick the nicest looking person.

Posted by: s'moron at September 15, 2010 01:59 PM (UaxA0)

--To me it's less about a pretty face than about a pretty attitude.  Look at every presidential election the last 30 years: The candidate (atop the ticket, of course) perceived as more cheerful and upbeat defeated the more dour candidate every time.

198 Four out of five Palin endorsees won last night.  The Revolution continues.

Sarah Barracuda.  

Hey, she's vetted, Ace.

199


Posted by: John Kerry at September 15, 2010 02:01 PM (BP6Z1)



Awwww.... why the long face?

200 What does it do our side if the likes of the Kagan Five, McCain, Graham, both President Bushes, Gov. Pawlenty of MN, and on and on and on, continually help the other side in one way shape or form. Sure, you can usually count on their support for our troops (maybe not Mike Castle), but until the putsch against the old Democratic Party in '68 (and ongoing since) by actual Communists, you could count on their support, too. "Red" Harry Truman mobilized the Marines in 1950. Lt. (J.G.) John F. Kennedy, USN (Ret.) formed the Navy SEALs. LBJ sent the Marines ashore near DaNang in 1965.
First, we need to purge our party of people who do not understand the Bill of Rights. Then, we need to send the Commies back under their rocks. Finally, we need to kill Leviathan.

201 MikeTheMoose,

Taking a future result as certain is never wise policy.
If you want to assume all is lost just because it got a lot harder


Again what part of "Far from certain" fails to make it into your verbal comprehension center?

Also what part of "I also want to maximize OD chances of winning" is not getting through?

If I used another language would that help?

If you are continuing this you should have read my followup to my own comment by now at 51

"Which is why the instant that she became 'our' candidate, I started defending her like I had supported her, but in all fairness, I had not"

BTW having realistic probabilities of win/lose scenarios in your long term strategy is a "wise policy" You don't give up battles because you think you are probably going to loose, but you don't make long term plans assuming that you'll win.

202
you know what the funny part is?

We're just gonna repeat this whole thing when Romney (or Pawlenty) wins all the key primaries in 2012.

203 Tim Kaine's BIG announcement is the democrat party logo. A capital "D" inside an "O". Paging Homer Simpson!

204

GOD DAMN YOU WINGNUTS!

NELSON ROCKEFELLER HAD THAT THING SEWN UP!

The Great Society is all your fault!

205 Man I love snapping the suspenders of those old time cobweb brained old farts in the Congress.  Last night snapped them pretty good.

Hurts doesn't it?  Snap again.

206 I agree with everything your anonymous emailer stated.

This fight has barely begun.

207 Conservatism, Bitches!

208 Ace - good post.  Thanks 

209 Snapping the suspenders? Hell I'd prefer to give the an atomic wedgie!

210 Huh. I see Castle will not be endorsing O'Donnell and has said the party shouldn't waste their money on her. Stoking our fires, dirtbag, that's what you're doing.

211 OT, but nails it:

Can 'hottest sports reporter' have it both ways? (http://tinyurl.com/2b4ob4m)

I totally beat Jim Rome to his take!

212

The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins. 

And the headlines...

 

http://tinyurl.com/2995dow

 

yeesh

 

213 Unless we get to 52 or 53 seats, a Republican majority is a Republican minority. Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. And the reason why is that whoever has the majority when the session starts gets to control the calendar for the next two years. And that is a priceless advantage. Why? Well, if Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has 50 Democrat Senators, then he can schedule a recess whenever President Obama has a appointee who can handle a confirmation hearing (hello, Dr. shortages at Medicare). Whereas if Obama sends up another nominee who lies, dodges, and BSes, Senate Majority Leader McConnell can refuse to schedule any votes on the nominee until she fully answers the Republicans questions, and provides all the documents that they've subpoenaed because they are in the majority. Not a whiny minority filibustering a nominee they can't actually defeat, but America's Representatives, trying to do their best to vet an unresponsive nominee. Besides, get real, we need at least 54 "Republican" Senators to have an actual Republican Majority. But we only need 51 to control the calendar. And that's what may have been pissed away yesterday.

214 So how many seats do the Tea Party candidates have to win before they are running the Republican Party?

215 Logprof I had this link in the headline post.

Beat you to it!

216 I think we should look into Karl Rove's integrity and baggage. He has been married twice. What happened Karl? Did you cheat? Did your wife cheat? Why can't you satisfy a woman? Was it about money? Was it about Sex? Did you always leave the toilet seat up? Was lobbyist money involved? How did you or your wives get into too much debt? How much do you owe on your house? I could go on.

217

The prettiest candidate almost ALWAYS wins. 

Marsha!! Marsha!! MARSHA!!11!!

 

 

218 The Democrats nominate the Scum of the Earth and not one of their ass-sniffing multitude says Squat

We nominate someone with Baggage and tear ourselves apart--IN PUBLIC

I know we have a higher standard ( we aren't shit-stained coward traitors who intend to ruin America in order to 'transform' it ) but this is ridiculous--and sad.

I would have voted for Castle as a Safe Bet and place-holder, as Y-not said, but now we have an electable-but-flawed conservative running for her life / running for a Senate seat.

( There are two diamonds on the table and you're holding two diamonds; you've been raised......... )

She is a Republican candidate for the Senate; honor her

219 Man, Ayotte won, too. Sarah and the Tea Party Express roll on!

220
You guys ever hear the clip of Orrin Hatch feeling our pain and frustration with *those people* in Washington?

It's a very short clip and shows the disconnect dishonesty of these Beltway boobs. And it shows how stupid they think we are.

221

215 Huh. I see Castle will not be endorsing O'Donnell and has said the party shouldn't waste their money on her.

Stoking our fires, dirtbag, that's what you're doing.

< T-Bird - you got that right.  Castle will serve as the lightning rod for the Tea Party and his refusal to endorse O'Donnell will stoke the fires of the independents and ultimatley serve to strengthen the tea party movement.  His no is invaluable.

222 I think we should look into Karl Rove's integrity and baggage. He has been married twice.

Karl Rove isn't running for high office.  O'Donnell is.  So she should and will be looked into.

Just a small difference.

223

And the reason why is that whoever has the majority when the session starts gets to control the calendar for the next two years.

Since you still haven't figured it out: I don't care.

We had 55 seats in '04, the House and the POTUS and that congress sucked donkey dick. It was not "priceless". It was well neigh useless.

224 And may I say how brave it was for Mittens to endores O'Donnell....after she won.

225 180
dude, the posts contradict each other

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 15, 2010 01:55 PM (uFokq)

Maybe Ace wants to be "Fair and Balanced"

226

Getting to a 50-50 tie with the dems in the us senate, with slow joe biden as the tie-breaker.........well, the dems could try and say the republicans are in charge, but that dog won't hunt.  People will be paying attention from this point forward.  Blue dog dems will know their days are numbered.  Do they stick with comrade zero and lose, or vote for a stalemated government? 

For the good of the country, a stalemate is better than what we have now with socialism on the march in the usa. 

Half the households in America are on some sort of government program right now, being supported by an ever shrinking pool of productive citizens.  If we get to much more than 50% of the country on "benefits" an the Brits call them, we are finished.  Those dopes will never vote to remove themselves from the teat of benefits. 

A few minutes spent perusing the website People Of Walmart is enough to convince me that we are running out of time to save the republic.  2010, 2012 are crucial.  If Rove & the other insiders cannot see that, they are welcome to join the opposition.

227
hahaha, Rush is having a lot of fun with this "comparing packages" controversy

228
I sense a new AoS meme...

comparing packages...

229 222 I think we should look into Karl Rove's integrity and baggage. He has been married twice. What happened Karl? Did you cheat? Did your wife cheat? Why can't you satisfy a woman? Was it about money? Was it about Sex? Did you always leave the toilet seat up? Was lobbyist money involved? How did you or your wives get into too much debt? How much do you owe on your house? I could go on.

Posted by: Dan at September 15, 2010 02:11 PM (1jzSs)

< Dan - perhaps Frank Luntz could assemble a group to poll.

230 221 Logprof I had this link in the headline post.

Beat you to it!

Posted by: mpfs at September 15, 2010 02:10 PM (iYbLN)

--I hardly ever read those threads.

231

And the majority of Americans agreed with me, as evidenced in '06 and '08 when they tossed those dweebs out.

More of the same will produce more of the same. We put you back in, we can throw you back out again.

I'm going to keep pushing that boggle button until it randomly lands on something I like.

232

There had to be someone with solid conservative principles who did not have all of that extra baggage in DE.

Posted by: AndrewsDad

 

I thank you for your vote of confidence, but I screwed up and started posting here. If Todd Palin ever checks this site I am plucked.

233 Anyone see that Harry Reid is attempting to attach an amnesty clause to a defense bill?

234 O'Donnell's site is STILL down?  WTF?!!

235 #209

Goldwater wanted to run against JFK.  I think he would have beaten him.  You youngsters only remember the JFK myths.  JFK was a horrible president. 

Ask the dead at the Bay of Pigs, or the Steel workers.  He got nothing passed and his BS Cuban Missile crisis was his fault.  No Castro, AKA we support the Bay of Pigs, (the aircraft carrier Essex was ready 20 miles from the invasion, JFK pulled the plug), no Missile crisis. See this.

http://tinyurl.com/28sgh8f

236 When Robert Gibbs starts quoting Karl Rove, we have a problem.

237

Not a whiny minority filibustering a nominee they can't actually defeat, but America's Representatives, trying to do their best to vet an unresponsive nominee.

Um, no. I'd rather they had filibustered her for 3 years.

238 Anyone see that Harry Reid is attempting to attach an amnesty clause to a defense bill?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 15, 2010 02:17 PM (yfJ6g)

I Heart Harry Reid!

239

Some Positive Stuff About A Purge

Word!

240 Posted by: Kemp at September 15, 2010 02:17 PM (AQxTm)

--He did make a great case for tax cuts, and helped get them passed.

(But don't wait to hear any Democrat touting that as a good thing.)

241 Any conservative who dares to criticize the nomination of Christine O’Donnell is getting smacked around and threatened with excommunication by the teabag base — even Karl Rove, that RINO.

Here’s one of the dimmest of the wingnut bloggers, Dan Riehl, demanding that Karl Rove be suspended from Fox News and “investigated” for not supporting the anti-masturbation, anti-gay, young earth creationist

<snip>

I apologize for inflicting that freakish nonsense on you, but RiehlÂ’s attitude is typical of the Know Nothing Party; a universal call to lynch Karl Rove went out when he said OÂ’Donnell might not be the smartest choice for the GOP.

And now, National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn has put out a statement embracing Christine OÂ’Donnell.

ItÂ’s a teabag world. WeÂ’re all just steeping in it.

Charles Johnson 9/15



[Carl psychically probes the captured alien]
Carl: It's afraid. It's afraid!
[everyone cheers]

242 When Robert Gibbs starts quoting Karl Rove, we have a problem.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 15, 2010 02:20 PM (YVZlY)

Exactly, Karl Rove is the new David Frum.

243

218 93% of 350k

Rush was on fire today for O'Donnell, pointing out that her 'win' was more against Castle and Rinos-the GOP idjits in general.

Plus--- Rove is probably off his Christmas Card list and won't be his vaKay fill in anymore.

He said what the email said--- dilute, change and morf conservatism to play nice nice with liberals and it's no longer conservatism.    The GOP extablishment wouldn't know that fact if bit them because R leaders are the worst Rinos these days.

As for Castle acting like a bratty baby who lost his pacy by not endorsing O'Donnell..so what else is new?  And we were supposed to want someone like him in DC?  

244 239 Anyone see that Harry Reid is attempting to attach an amnesty clause to a defense bill?

Wonderful:

WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today announced that he intends to attach a massive illegal alien amnesty provision to the Defense Authorization bill scheduled to be considered by the Senate next week. The DREAM Act would reward illegal aliens with amnesty and would allow them to benefit from taxpayer-funded college tuition and other benefits. The DREAM Act would also reverse a 1996 law that bars states from offering in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens and would make all illegal aliens eligible for taxpayer subsidized tuition at public colleges and universities. 

This development is only a small sample as to why it is imperative that we wrest Congressional control away from the Dems!

245 Anyone see that Harry Reid is attempting to attach an amnesty clause to a defense bill?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 15, 2010 02:17 PM (yfJ6g)

I Heart Harry Reid!

Posted by: Lady Gaga at September 15, 2010 02:21 PM (kCDp6)

--Yeah, Levin brought it up after his O'Donnell rant.

Harry Reid is indeed a desperate shitweasel and is looking for a last-minute save by pandering to minority voters.

246 [Carl psychically probes the captured alien]
Carl: It's afraid. It's afraid!
[everyone cheers]

Nice pull.

247
When Robert Gibbs starts quoting Karl Rove, we have a problem.

Exfuckingzactly. We have deep fundamentals problems in our party that need to be corrected.

Have you heard a single Democrat pundit talk smack about any Democrat candidate like Rove did?

Not one pundit on the Left put down that retard Alvin Greene like Rove put down O'Donnell. She might have her shortcomings, but she's not a drooling retard.

248

You youngsters only remember the JFK myths.  JFK was a horrible president.

It's all about presence.  How many politicians would have been elected had it not been for TV?

^{(Tho I've always been confused about Barney Frank.)}

249 I hope Ace wasn't listening to Rush today, talking about how it's "Washington vs. the rest of the country", etc.

Rush is just another vengeful, paranoid nutjob loser, fapping his dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against him!

250 This is a great storyline. Losing the Senate that is.
It lowers the expectation of the November Election into reasonable levels, and gives those lazy conservatives and Tea Partiers a kick in the ass to get out and vote.

I'm psyched.

Rove may yet be proved to be a counter-intuitive genius.

251 Until now, Rove was the only of the two with national recognition. And he used his reputation to impugn her credibility AFTER SHE WON. And not satisfied trashing her, Rove called anyone who supports her a damned fool to be targeted for payback having refused Rove's candidate.

Rove and Alinsky.

252 Check out Rebecca Kleefisch, WI GOP nominee for Lt. Gov., speaking of "the prettiest candidate always wins."

253 237 And the majority of Americans agreed with me, as evidenced in '06 and '08 when they tossed those dweebs out.

More of the same will produce more of the same. We put you back in, we can throw you back out again.

I'm going to keep pushing that boggle button until it randomly lands on something I like.

Yes, and it gave us the evil, unholy triumverate of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and President Obama. Look at what has happened to this country over the last 2yrs. Now people are threatening to not vote in 2010, leaving us with 2 more yrs of unchecked communist government.

You know what? I'm sick of it. I'm tired of seeing my country run by a bunch of communists for the sake of a purity experiment. Some of us have to live the rest of our lives with the results of this test just because people are getting their jollies from "sticking it to the man". You know what? We have some great conservative candidates like Marco Rubio, a man of principle who can also win. Why don't we stick to supporting those people instead of waiting for 51 Reagans? It isn't going to happen. We aren't all a bunch of hamsters in a lab.  

254

^{(Tho I've always been confused about Barney Frank.)++}

Don't forget Waxman. That one boggles the mind.

255 98%!

She'll make $500K.  Drudge has a link to her site in his headlines in RED!

"I love the smell of napalm, it smells like,  VICTORY!"

256

_{A drudge link sends massive traffic to a site. Here is the explanation of the error code you probably got:}

Posted by: USS Titanic Brass Polishers Union at September 15, 2010 02:23 PM (IhHdM)

Well, Rush took credit for crashing the site after he suggested that all of his listeners send $1 via her website, so may the pissing contest ensue!

257 Not one pundit on the Left put down that retard Alvin Greene like Rove put down O'Donnell. She might have her shortcomings, but she's not a drooling retard.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 15, 2010 02:23 PM (uFokq)

Hey now, wait just a minute!  *resumes drooling*

258

Some Positive Stuff About A Purge

Word!

You ain't kidding.

259

@ 21
Let's face it, O'Donnell is a Hail Mary to a no-name receiver.

Sometimes, that Hail Mary pass directly leads to a superbowl win (see: Tyree, David, Helmet Catch)

260 Ah declare, these Tea Partiahs ah downright beastly!  Ah do believe they'ah givin' me the vapahs!  Ashley, be a dahlin' and help me to the sofa!

261 258

You youngsters only remember the JFK myths.  JFK was a horrible president.

It's all about presence.  How many politicians would have been elected had it not been for TV?

^{(Tho I've always been confused about Barney Frank.)}

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 15, 2010 02:24 PM (Q6Mjq)

House races are somewhat of an exception because they're smaller races in a body with less per politican power.  As the exclusilivity of the job increases, the importance of good looks and TV presense increases.  It's not just National, but you see the same in State races when you think about it.

262 What has settled this for me most of all is the fact that Crist, Murkowski, and now Castle all felt such a sense of entitlement that they all refused to back their opponents when Republican voters had spoken



Eleventy. This is the true rotten, stinking core of the GOP establishment. And it must be got rid of.

263 -He did make a great case for tax cuts, and helped get them passed.

(But don't wait to hear any Democrat touting that as a good thing

And he did fuck Marilyn Monroe in the WH, so I guess he wasn't THAT bad.

And he actually served in the armed forces!

264 "1) This sends a clear message to the Republican party that they should not back RINOs for election races."

Like Scott Brown? Or Ronald Reagan? Over the past day I have heard Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristal, Dick Armey all called RINO's. So everyone who would rather see Joe Bidens seat not go to another Marxist because we nominated a bimbo who walks away from the bills she runs up is now a RINO....
This sends a clear message that we would rather shoot ourselves in the foot and complain about Megan McCains double chin while waiting for Sarah Palens next tweet. Meanwhile the country suffers.

265

Some Positive Stuff About A Purge

Word!

You ain't kidding.

Posted by: Joseph Stalin at September 15, 2010 02:28 PM (tf9Ne)

Any positive stuff about a Heimlich?

Anybody?

266 Rush is just another hugely successful, influential radio host, banging a smoking hot wife, and bringing home millions of dollars each year. vengeful, paranoid nutjob loser, fapping his dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against him!

FIFY

267 228, yeah karl sure, he only advised the most powerful man in the world for 8 years and still works behind the scenes to get people elected in that mold. yeah we should just leave him alone lol.

268

Rove may yet be proved to be a counter-intuitive genius.

People seem to have fun and enjoy giving Karl Rove more intrepretive flexibility than Nostradamus.

Meh, whatevs.

Karl Rove's sucess rate with predictions would probably skyrocket if he became totally incomprehensible.

'In 13 the Beast shall rise from the West and slay the Duke of the 4 Powers while the Harlot of the First Conferance weeps with Flowers.'

OMG Rove's a genius! He totally called Jill winning American Idol with that!

269

A few minutes spent perusing the website People Of Walmart is enough to convince me that we are running out of time to save the republic.  2010, 2012 are crucial.  If Rove & the other insiders cannot see that, they are welcome to join the opposition.

Either that or the alien invasion has already started.  A society that doesn't understand that spandex is a priviledge, not a right is doomed.   Also, one that doesn't get that 38DD implants on the chest of a 65 year old man with a full beard is a crime against humanity. 

270

I just got Micheal Vick in the Moron Fantasy Football League.I have a dog handle.Why do I feel dirty?

Tase your balls and you'll feel better.

271 Oh, I thought he said splurge!  I must want the other line.

272

^{(Tho I've always been confused about Barney Frank.)++}

Don't forget Waxman. That one boggles the mind.

Posted by: Bosk at September 15, 2010 02:26 PM (pUO5u)

Henry Waxman looks like a freak.

273

If you want the GOP to be ideologically pure thatÂ’s fine, but if you can't get conservatives into office does it get you anything?

 

I am serious, and I would appreciate serious answers, not the usual flip-offs I get here.

 

I get that conservatives feel strongly about their ideology and want their candidates to be as conservative as they are. I get that people are angry. But Washington isn't built that way. ItÂ’s all about making deals. It always has been.

274 Fred Thompson spent his show coming back again to Rove/O'Donnell .

In the end, Thompson said that the Tea Party MOVEMENT has changed everything away from the old standard line, and now has proven that NO ONE KNOWS ANY MORE WHO IS ELECTABLE AND WHO IS NOT.

imo, The great thing about the Tea Party is that it is LOCAL. It represents LOCAL concerns and interests, and directs state politics ground up contrary to the RNC and entrenched national Washingtonian affiliated authoritarians.

275

Posted by: tsj017 at September 15, 2010 02:25 PM (4YUWF)

I know David and his bro.  I don't know u but your name must be dick.

276 I don't remember JFK as president, but I have heard some of his speeches, and he did not sound like a Democrat-at least not a 2010 Obama democrat.  The Democrat party needs to be purged, just like  the Republicans.  When I began hearing that reforming Obamacare was preferable to repealing Obamacare, I realized that the Republican party was a huge part of the problem.  They want to have things like Obamacare to hang over us to get votes.  That is not what I want.  I want problems fixed, not promises that they will work on things.  With RINOS in office, Obamacare would become the new third rail.

BTW, please send campaign money to Dan Benshek, Michigan 1st district, the Bart Stupak seat.  We could win that seat with a few donations.

277 Nicely put.

278

Sometimes, that Hail Mary pass directly leads to a superbowl win (see: Tyree, David, Helmet Catch)

Posted by: tekkz at September 15, 2010 02:28 PM (sGtp+)

--Technically speaking, that pass was not a Hail Mary.  It was not targeting the end zone.

279 Since we are hawking our personal candidates, how about sending some much needed money to Jacob Turk?  Wouldn't you love to see Cleaver thrown out on his ass?

280 BTW, please send campaign money to Dan Benshek, Michigan 1st district, the Bart Stupak seat.  We could win that seat with a few donations.

Post a link!

281

I just got Micheal Vick in the Moron Fantasy Football League.I have a dog handle.Why do I feel dirty?

Tase your balls and you'll feel better.

Posted by: Atomic Roach

 

I know that we will, but then, we're kinda cruel that way.

282 241 O'Donnell's site is STILL down?  WTF?!!

Posted by: flyondawall at September 15, 2010 02:17 PM (/wdUP)

 

DAMN You RRRRRRROOOOOOOVVVEEE!!!1!!

283 Ace should put together a AoSHQ approved candidates and have a money bomb day from the HQ.

I think KOS does that.

284 Palin is 4 for 5?

Well one of those wins is Ayotte, so that 'win' is a loss.

285 Posted by: Kemp at September 15, 2010 02:26 PM (AQxTm)

you left me out of your iconic quote !!1!!

IMHO,  it's almost-but-not-quite morning in America.

286
Have you heard a single Democrat pundit talk smack about any Democrat candidate like Rove did?

No, but then I've never seen the Dems throw away a likely Senate pickup in a purity purge either.  If they had, with a similarly flawed candidate,  there might have been some similar recriminations.  

287 So everyone who would rather see Joe Bidens seat not go to another Marxist because we nominated a bimbo who walks away from the bills she runs up is now a RINO

No but. That doesn't change the fact Castle was. The choice was Crazy Lady and RINO man. Well the electorate told the establishment they would rather run with Crazy Lady. That sends a message to the establishment that they had better not run someone like RINOman again. That does not imply, by any reasonable logic, that ALL of Castle's supporters were RINOs just because they supported a RINO they thought could win; anymore than it makes OD supporters who wanted to send the message that they wanted someone more conservative, share in OD's crazy.

288 140
Just pull the lever.  They'll circle the bowl a few times but if we are serious about taking the country back from the effing "political class", all the turds will eventually go down the hole.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 15, 2010 01:44 PM (RkRxq)

Spoken like a true plumber.

Question: Does that mean the RINOs that ride this one out were lucky because they were floating in a low-flow toilet -- next flush or two, they're gone?

289 262 Check out Rebecca Kleefisch, WI GOP nominee for Lt. Gov., speaking of "the prettiest candidate always wins."

Posted by: Prosqtor at September 15, 2010 02:26 PM (gcA9u)

--First photo of her I saw, I thought, "News anchor babe." I skimmed her bio and sure enough . . .

290 Since we are hawking our personal candidates, how about sending some much needed money to Jacob Turk?  Wouldn't you love to see Cleaver thrown out on his ass?

Posted by: jewells at September 15, 2010 02:35 PM (l/N7H)

292 BTW, please send campaign money to Dan Benshek, Michigan 1st district, the Bart Stupak seat.  We could win that seat with a few donations.

Post a link!
  This!!   Can we set up a feature, sidebar or set of links to connect Morons to various campaigns? Need and Moronic compatability can be measured with 1-4 flaming skulls or pudding cups.

291 #298

oops, sorry morning!

http://tinyurl.com/b3ay9w

292 Harry Reid is indeed a desperate shitweasel and is looking for a last-minute save by pandering to minority voters.

Stupid move for Reid.  He laid all of that groundwork scaring the electorate about Angle being out of touch and now that will all be thrown out the window as the narrative changes.

He must have seen some poll numbers that suggested that Hispanics were not all that jazzed to GOTV for him.  I'm thinking that this move will be a net loss because anything that puts the spotlight on Reid is bad for him and even though Hispanics tend to see anti-illegal as a an attack on them (I know, I know but that's how it's perceived) Hispanic voters will not be excited about increasing immigration.

293 The great thing about the Tea Party is that it is LOCAL.doesn't exist as a comprehensive body.

Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

294

Politicians had spent the last 200 odd years creating a system that heavily favored incombents.

The Tea Party movement threw a stick in those spokes.  And that's a good thing.  Business as usual in Washington, like the debt and the deficit, is unsustainable.  It has cost us a lot and a lot needs to be done to fix it. 

The Tea Party is a good start. 

295 243 When Robert Gibbs starts quoting Karl Rove, we have a problem.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 15, 2010 02:20 PM (YVZlY)

Karl has jumped the shark, pounded the pultry, spit the bit and flogged the bishop all in the span of 24hrs...eh, bonus points for effort.

 

296 Ace, showing the White House how a "hard pivot" is actually done. Kudos.

297 BTW, please send campaign money to Dan Benshek, Michigan 1st district, the Bart Stupak seat.  We could win that seat with a few donations.

Posted by: chillin the most at September 15, 2010 02:33 PM (6IV8T)

--And don't be shy about calling him Doctor (Dan) Benishek.

Those credentials are good for an anti-Øbamacare election.

298 Kemp
Thank you.  He is a good man who would be great in Congress.  He decided to run when Stupak caved.

www.danbenishekforcongress.com 

We could win this seat.

299 Check out Rebecca Kleefisch, WI GOP nominee for Lt. Gov., speaking of "the prettiest candidate always wins."

I voted for her without ever seeing her picture; her major opponent was a DIABLO.

300 #304

Most excellent idea! 

301 This year, even someone kooky might win on the GOP side. And seriously, wouldn't you rather have thrown that nine year "RINO" turd out than give him another shot just because he pretends he's Rupublican?

302 This point has probably already been made, but I think the case can be made that the polling firms' "likely voters" model can be thrown out the door this year.  The turnout last night was through the roof. 

I don't think they are able to judge the motivation of conservatives to vote, this year. 

303 Speaking of Vick, I do not recall the waiver priorities (so I may not have acquired him anyway) but I dropped my waiver request for him once I saw that Brandon Jackson would be the starter for the Pack.

304 "She also endorsed McCain. Must be a RINO!"

Are you serious?  The McCain endorsement makes sense.  Hayworth is a nutjob and Palin owes McCain.  The Ayotte endorsement doesn't. It's pure grrrrl power politics, which should have no place in the conservative movement.  Lamontaigne was more conservative and a better candidate.

305
Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

This is an excellent point. The Democrats are struggling right now for that very fact. they cannot fix and personalize the target.

They tried Boehner Fail.
They tried Palin Fail.
Next Rush Limbaugh.

306 No, but then I've never seen the Dems throw away a likely Senate pickup in a purity purge either.  If they had, with a similarly flawed candidate,  there might have been some similar recriminations.  

We forget, but that was the intention of the Ned Lamont move.  If the CTGOP had had a good candidate or Leiberman was more comfortable in the GOP, they would have thrown it away.

307

Since Obama became President my quarterly Health Insurance rates have increased from $413.00 to $718.53.

Is that a 3000% savings?

308

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 02:40 PM (5aa4z)

Good point.  For all of the notoriety that Alinsky's rules enjoyed, Obama and crew putting them into effect proved they weren't fool proof, in fact their application has revealed a lot of weaknesses including the disgust one feels when one witnesses them being applied.

They are not only distastful, they are evil.

309 #314

Try this, it's the way we do it here.

http://tinyurl.com/3agesen

Make the link using a tinyurl and paste it into the little chain looking thing in the bar above the comments page.

310 Next Rush Limbaugh.

He's always on the fundraising letters.  He's a periodic bete noir.

311  I would be a lot more likely to jump into the 2012 race now that we've seen Toomey, and Rubio, and Miller, and O'Donnell all win races that they couldn't possibly win by running on real conservative principles

312 "Some day this war's gonna end"

==over-the-top Robert Duval character ( from over-budgeted movie and confused, overrated director )

This O'Donnell war better end, like, you know, yesterday

313 I think this may have saved the Republican Party for at least two years. Both major parties are coming apart. The Democrats have promised the groups that form their coalition many contradictory things. They cannot fulfill their promises to Blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, other organized minorities, labor and academia. But they'll survive. They'll cut their losses and the smallest interests will be ignored. They'll still have enough votes to be viable. The GOP, on the other hand, is faced with extinction. If we win in November and do as was done in 1995-2007, the party cannot be saved. A majority of non-Democrats will no long accept politics as usual. If the GOP in the next Congress is not ready to do whatever is necessary to repeal the Obama catastrophe and prevent its return there will be no viable Republican Party in 2012. It is that simple. I say this sadly. I've been a Republican since Goldwater. But unless the GOP reforms itself in the next two years it will be dead. It will hang on as did the Federalists in the 1830s or the Whigs in the 1850s but it will cease as a major force in America.

314 Epic fail on the Frazier link????


http://tiny.cc/52c8m

315 Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

Not only that, the Alinsky shit doesn't work as well (or, at least, not as intended) when the Alinskyites are actually in power.

316

They tried Boehner Fail.
They tried Palin Fail.
Next Rush Limbaugh.

 

Clinton already tried that, it failed.  Comrade Zero can't hold a candle to Clinton in the propaganda dept.

317 Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 02:40 PM (5aa4z)

Very well put and a fundamental reason why Progressivism is fatally flawed.

I could go on about the good v. evil  thing but, well, you know.

318 I am so sorry......not sure what I am doing wrong.

http://www.frazierforcolorado.com/

319 325 #314

Try this, it's the way we do it here.

http://tinyurl.com/3agesen

Make the link using a tinyurl and paste it into the little chain looking thing in the bar above the comments page.

Posted by: Kemp at September 15, 2010 02:46 PM (AQxTm)

...and if you want some text in your comment to appear rather than the URL, select that text before you click on the chain widget.

320 Did I miss a statement by Miss O'Donnell saying she would ban bopping the bishop?


Stop thinking with your dick, dummies. Her opinions on sexuality mean nothing unless you are dating her.

321 OK, the long version, complete with the "Flight"  This will pump you up!

http://tinyurl.com/5ztg5q

322

Is that a 3000% savings?

Posted by: garrett at September 15, 2010 02:46 PM (RDnvk)

Looks like a 30,000-cent savings.

323 Thanks! I did try tiny url the first two times, but the links don't go to the Frazier site. I'm a dork, thanks for your patience!

324

@327-

Pat Toomey did not run against a moderate Republican in his primary. He was challenged by perennial candidate Peg Luksik, known for her ultra conservative views. Toomey won handily with 81% of the vote. The excerpt I posted in 327 suggests that Toomey's opponent was a liberal Republican a la Arlen Specter.

That was 2004.

325 Don't worry MissTammy, I can't get it to work either.  You all can just google Jacob Turk, you'll find his website.

326 Can you imagine what  McCain, McConnell, Hatch, Graham and the rest of the RINOSs look like today?

I bet they all look like they're constipated.

Let them eat Ex-Lax!!!!

Snap those suspenders!

327 There was someone posting a lot about NY lately.  They knew a lot about NY politics, stuff only a real NYer, someone that lives here, would know.  The dems in NY use the republican party by joining it and saying they are republicans.  NYer's are savvy so they saw that tea party endorsements would be the ticket and the wrong guy got the tea party endorsement and the win.  A little research and a brain will tell you that.  And, whoever was advising Rick Lazio ought to be ashamed of themselves.  In NY where the 5 minute shower and the ten minute hair dry is the norm, the commercials matter a lot.  People assume that "you can't say that in a commercial if it isn't true" so, palladino said a lot of stuff and got himself a nomination.  Lazio, on the other hand could not even identify his opponent.  His commercials, through the good graces of the conservative party of NY, made cumo the opponent.  People don't realize that having the conservative nomination meant that he could run those commercials without compunction, they saw that he was in the republican race and right or wrong thought he was a pompous ass who wouldn't even acknowledge his opponents because he was somehow above them.  NYer's have enough of that, we have bloomie to remind us of that every single day.  Palladino didn't become the donald trump of upstate NY being dumb.  He capitalized on every one of Lazio's mistakes, every single one, not one got by.  Lazio behaved like mcshame did in the presidential election "I'm here but I'm going to subtly endorse all of my opponents cause really I've decided I don't want the job and it's fine if I lose"   So, NY can now choose between a real dem, cumo and a closet dem, palladino.  Oh and palladino, as smart as he is, apparently has enough material for Rachel madcow to use against him  in "emails she has obtained" that she felt compelled to begin using them last night feeling that she will have plenty of material to last through to the election.   As one of my friends likes to say things "there's a conspiracy theory in there somewhere"

so there aren't any real republicans left in the republican party and the tea party seems to be corrupted by dems in NYS so where are the republicans and conservatives in NY.   they are in hiding.  It's a open invitation to abuse to say you are a republican or a conservative so, rather than suffer the consequences, you register as an independent.  I've always been an independent but now, since so many people are independents by choice and won't register, NYS is in a panic so now they ask you to register as an independent.  I guess it makes them uncomfortable if you can't be labeled.

328 Stop thinking with your dick, dummies. Her opinions on sexuality mean nothing unless you are dating her.

Posted by: kidney at September 15, 2010 02:52 PM (ENRGu)

Well, I guess that means all of us!

329 Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 02:40 PM (5aa4z)

Which is EXACTLY why it is such a bad idea for any Tea Party group to endorse a candidate.  It gives the other side a target to shoot at, and it alienates members who might not be of the same party even though they share the movement's basic principles.  The TP should continue to organize around principles and let the members decide on their own which candidates can best advance those principles. 

Back in the early 80s, the Jerry Falwell Moral Majority movement was picking up a lot of support.  Then they started endorsing candidates.  At first, many of them won.  But eventually Falwell and Pat Robertson decided it was a kingmaking organization within the Republican Party and started scaring independents and moderate Democrats.  And Democrats beat the Republicans over the head with Falwell and Robertson.  Robertson drove the final nail into it when he ran for President, and it fell apart. 

I fear the Tea Party is following the same path. 

330 Posted by: JEA at September 15, 2010 02:32 PM (H7yeS)

Simply: It clarifies the differences in the ideologies.

Those of us that are big C conservatives see no difference in destination between electing RINOs and electing Dems.

The end result is a socialist state of some sort. The only difference is the time it takes to get there.

The mask has slipped from the Dems platform, in regards to what their agenda truly is. Now is not the time to give them an opportunity to re-affix that mask by providing "bi-partisan" beards like Castle.

Clarity of ideology allows voters to see clearly that the Dem agenda is a failure. It allows voters an opportunity, not just over one election, but over several, to come to that realization and choose a real alternative that would stop that agenda, not merely slow it down.

Yes - as in any war, in an ideological war there are casualties and setbacks.

But make no mistake that it is a war. The far left started their campaign decades ago, and it will likely take decades to right the ship of state.

331

299
Have you heard a single Democrat pundit talk smack about any Democrat candidate like Rove did?

Yes there was an effort on the part of the Democrats to invalidate Alvin Greene of South Carolina.

332

To point three.

preference cascades

333 We actually have 3 parties, though nobody is wearing the correct tag.  Tea Party (true Republicans), Republican (Democrats) and Democrat (Marxists).

334 What the fuck is 'purging'?

And where's Maddow, Paul and Tattoo? I need my bearded Marxist stroked.

335 "I get that people are angry. But Washington isn't built that way. ItÂ’s all about making deals. It always has been."

Voters have forever been voting for their taxes to get cut. Politicians always run promising lower taxes for voters, sometimes for businesses as well. But spending never recedes, taxes inevitably are raised, and any so-called "cuts" are temporary with expiration dates, and finally the insulting to intelligence "tax rebates" must all be repaid within the year.

After running a campaign to cut taxes, in his first 18 months this potus spent more than all presidents from Washington through Reagan combined. That would include all the costs of our wars from the Revolution through Vietnam and the Contras. Unprecedented corruption requires unprecedented voter response to nip what has occurred in the bud.

Deals, like rules, laws and mandates, are made to be broken by politicians, so far as THEY are concerned. Obviously, there are those today who benefit from the government's corruption: not only politicians collecting kick-backs but those corporations with government contracts.

It has not always been "the way it's always been" -- though it has been far too long.  Our American Revolution changed how things had always been. And with the exception of Alexander Hamilton, the "compromises" that our Founders made to form our Constitutional Republic were not motivated by corruption, to steal tax funds from American citizens for personal gain.  The joke's on Obama for instigating the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN slogan for American citizens through their Tea Party Movement to eradicate Obama's corruption. And THAT is the way it is.

American Renaissance 2010

 

336 Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

I was thinking earlier about how this all started with MoveOn, Kos, and the Dean insurgency.  They retooled their own party with a harder leftist bent when Dean took the DNC chair.  I'm not sure how Lieberman's beating Lamont figures into this except as an indication that their party was already pretty far left when they started.

They played against Bush.  We are playing against Obama.

The biggest difference I see is that Bush needed to be actively vilified with lies.  Obama is a bag full of shit bursting at the seams, and the MFM needs to lie actively to misdirect attention away from the fact that it stinks in here.

The second biggest difference is that yesteryears' points of contention were symbolic ones like protesting the war, promoting abortion, and pushing for leftist social spending priorities.  Today's contention is over Obama policies that are harming the livelihoods of every American.

Another difference worth mentioning is that folks on the right are not on the right because they are collectivist by nature.

The Tea Party movement will spend the next few cycles pushing the GOP rightward.  It has had a good track record purging RINOs this cycle.  RINOs are not principled, so expect smart RINOs who survive 2010 to move rightward out of self interest.

In ten years or so, this Tea Party thing will blow over because we will all be too busy enjoying our prosperity. 

337

Well, I guess that means all of us!

Posted by: logprof

Yup yup!

338 wrong- The clear message to the Republican party is that the tea party has taken over. Give up the keys.

339 They can keep the keys, we'll take the door off its hinges and get some new locks.

340

224I would have voted for Castle as a Safe Bet and place-holder, as Y-not said, but now we have an electable-but-flawed conservative running for her life / running for a Senate seat.

How do you come to the conclusion that O'Donnell is electable in Delaware? Democrats there enjoy something like a 2:1 registration margin.

341 What I'm seeing now is a couple of things:

(1) The GOP is officially a bottom-up party now.  Cornyn said "How high?"

(2) The GOP is now aggressive.  RINOs always got nominated because of the fear that the electorate was unwilling to elect somebody who is too conservative.  Now the base has shown that they aren't going to be cowed by unelectability just to get somebody in a Republican suit. 

That means there may be some reckless moves like this.  I don't think choosing O'Donnell was wise because a Senate seat is so big, but it's done.  So what we take from it is that Graham will go.  Cornyn might go.  Snowe could stay if she makes overtures to the base, but I don't think we'll ever again get the sort of condescending attitude where the wise politicians treat the base like something unfortunate on the soles of their shoes.

(3) It's a conservative party.  One must remember that in the 70s, the GOP was a moderate party through and through.  Much like the Tories in the UK today.  Get all the liberal, but half the crazy!  Reagan changed that and a lot of GOP Senators and Congressmen shut up but fumed during the Reagan years.  Now it's back to that 80s mentality after some drift.

Can moderates get elected?  Of course, but now they will have to acknowledge their base, and they will have to be to the right of their constituents. (I think Castle was slightly to the left of DE voters.  As blue as the state is, they are still so far a sane state when it comes to business.)

342

I haven't been able to keep up with the comments lately, so maybe someone has already brought this up. Could Rove have done O'Donnell a favor last night with his comments on Hannity? I mean, since Rove himself is considered by liberals to be the source of all evil in this world, doesn't his attack on her give O'Donnell some instant cred with blue DE? The first commercial practically writes itself:

"KARL ROVE will say or do anything to prevent Christine O'Donnell from becoming your next senator. We don't need KARL ROVE in Delaware politics. Send KARL ROVE a message and vote for Christine O'Donnell."

Magnificent bastard, indeed.

(And, no, I don't really believe this. Just having some fun.)

343 Well, I'm not sure what else could be thrown at the tea parties.

Doubt they are worried about the MSM/DNC machine, since even before they endorsed a soul, they were smearing as being too "white, racist, Islamophobes, Homophobes, stupid uneducated rednecks,idiots, bible-thumpers from Jesusland, rubes, gauche,zenophobic, crudely patriotic....."

What did I miss?

344

What the fuck is 'purging'?

345 oh, and  in my mind, the biggest disgrace was the way Adrian Fenty was abused by the very people he has saved for the last four years.  I would say "what are they smokin crack in DC" but Adrian Fenty dealt with that head on so no.  four years ago DC looked like it was headed to hell and it was actually a disgrace that our nation's capitol could deteriorate to that extent.  Fenty won and in four short years managed to turn the whole place around.  Go down there an look.  He made DC liveable for everyone again.  But, Fenty challenged the teachers, ergo he was challenging their union, ergo all the unions were then going to quietly undermine Fenty.  so, with all the colleges in DC and the surrounding area, you can imagine the powerful force this turned out to be.  All because the guy hired a smart education person who dared to test the teachers and fire the ones who failed.  Every good and honest teacher I know thought that was great, the ones who aren't that smart and that honest thought it was terrible.  You can draw your own conclusions. 

Fenty was the Rudy Guiliani of DC.  Guiliani inherited a trashed NY thanks to David dinkins who proudly stood behind his friend Charlie last night.  Rudy saved NY, really saved NY in more way than you can see.  The other night Savage was saying that the old Rudy Guiliani is back and where was that guy during the election cycle?  He is right, the old Guiliani is back and more effective and logical than ever.  America didn't see the Rudy NY knows, America saw the Rudy crafted by the idiots who run campaigns to "please the whole country".  By the time they had carved Rudy up, no NYer recognized the guy.

You will see Adrian Fenty again.  I'm hoping that Steele has enough gumption in him to go over there and have a nice talk with Adrian, cause Adrian is gold, solid, solid gold and the dems in DC were too stupid to notice or appreciate what they had.

I think it is becoming safe to say that Americans are really good at seeing through the bullshit, yeah they mused the bullshit this last presidential cycle, they didn't realize that and "evil genius" like Rove could exist among the dems.  But, now they got it, now they are going to seer into your eyes to your soul to see what is there and, if they don't like it, as heidi klune says "you're out".

346 @219 Whereas if Obama sends up another nominee who lies, dodges, and BSes, Senate Majority Leader McConnell can refuse to schedule any votes on the nominee until she fully answers the Republicans questions, and provides all the documents that they've subpoenaed because they are in the majority. I admit I don't follow politics like some of you do - but really how often do the repubs actually do this stuff? Seems to me they usually just go the "collegial" route.

347 Sigh.  Bit by bit.

206 MikeTheMoose,

Taking a future result as certain is never wise policy.
If you want to assume all is lost just because it got a lot harder


Again what part of "Far from certain" fails to make it into your verbal comprehension center?

Also what part of "I also want to maximize OD chances of winning" is not getting through?

If I used another language would that help?

[Are you done with the insults?  Because, y'know, it so seals the argument.]

If you are continuing this you should have read my followup to my own comment by now at 51

"Which is why the instant that she became 'our' candidate, I started defending her like I had supported her, but in all fairness, I had not"

[To be honest, I'd missed that.  Which actually bears little on my original point, recapitulated below.]

BTW having realistic probabilities of win/lose scenarios in your long term strategy is a "wise policy" You don't give up battles because you think you are probably going to loose, but you don't make long term plans assuming that you'll win.

[At what point did I make statements about realistic probabilities?  And while we're at it, exactly how realistic a scenario was it that we could take the Senate, even before?  I never considered it such, personally; that's going to at least take one more cycle.]

The point I'm making is that the 'opportunity' lost was, well, open to debate how valuable it actually was.  I'm of a mind that Castle in the Senate would have been a wash at best, and thus not actually more than window dressing for the real prize, that is, to move Congress back towards the people.  While I realize full well that O'Donnell is an uphill battle, well, that's the battle we have, and any idea that it needed to be otherwise to 'take the Senate' was never more than a wishful illusion.

Disagree if you like.

348

299
Have you heard a single Democrat pundit talk smack about any Democrat candidate like Rove did?

Yes there was an effort on the part of the Democrats to invalidate Alvin Greene of South Carolina.

True that, BUT they didn't get on TV and say anything about his Felony Porn Charge.  They didn't call him dishonest or stupid.  He's unemployed and living with his dad.  Why didn't they dis him? 

He's Black and it would piss off they're base.  Everything they did was done by another Black Politician to give them cover, Clayburn called him a GOP plant.

The media got tried of the story, since Alvin is obviously a little mentally challenged and they didn't want to look like they were racist by picking on him.

Story has disappeared.  Think the same thing will happen in DE?  NOT

349 Um, curious, the NY Gov. race is lost already.  It doesn't matter. 

I'm sure many voters said that Lazio was a loser so why not go with the other guy.

Besides, that's an ABC election -- anybody but Cuomo.

350 That's their base not they're base.  idiot

351 "The TP should continue to organize around principles and let the members decide on their own which candidates can best advance those principles."

I've been thinking the Republican Party should do that.

The RNC with its national funds should be flooding the media with national ads advertising the Democratic ruin of our nation's economy; and emphasizing the real ways that cut federal spending and lowered taxes do generate economic prosperity. At the end of the commercials, the local candidate cameo finishes saying, "I'm so-and-so and I not only approve this message, but I will fight for your constitutional rights in Washington DC as your such-and-such."

It's hard to argue at this point that Tea Party underdogs would have won primaries without nationally recognized personalities supporting their efforts, and contributing to their financial campaign costs. It seems that Palin's forte is as the new architect of national campaigns, replacing Rove who remains steadfast in the past, out of touch with American anger with corrupt government. But as far as that comment applies, neither Rove nor Palin would have my support/vote were either to run for potus. They'd simply be the alternative to the Axelrod/Emanuel Democrat ticket, none a good choice for the presidency.

352

222 I think we should look into Karl Rove's integrity and baggage. He has been married twice. What happened Karl? Did you cheat? Did your wife cheat? Why can't you satisfy a woman? Was it about money? Was it about Sex? Did you always leave the toilet seat up? Was lobbyist money involved? How did you or your wives get into too much debt? How much do you owe on your house? I could go on.

But why would you need to? He's not running for national office as the Icon of Conservative Values.

353 Posted by: AmishDude at September 15, 2010 03:12 PM (T0NGe)

the fact that they put up Caspar milquetoast (not sure if that's right) shows that there really is no NY republican party or at least not one that cares to fight

354 How do you come to the conclusion that O'Donnell is electable in Delaware? Democrats there enjoy something like a 2:1 registration margin.

How can anyone come to any conclusion about anything political in this climate?

Brown beat Coakley in Massachusetts.

We are in uncharted territory.  If I had said during the 2008 campaign that Obama would do even half of the crazy shit that he's done (bailouts, "pitchforks and torches," BP spill incompetence, nationalization, Obamacare jamdown, extremist czars, etc.), I would have be branded a nutjob.

Nobody has any idea of how far this pendulum will swing in either direction.

355 Once the guy started talking about getting rid of Lindsey Graham in 2014, I knew he was off the deep end.

We've got a Presidential cycle and another huge congressional cycle to go through before 2014, and we haven't even got to the 2010 election.  Is somebody putting the cart before the horse?

Not that you don't need to start saving to do it - a credible primary challenge will cost $1-2 million - Graham will probably have twice that in the bank and no reason not to spend it all. 

SC is different - we kept Fritz Hollings in office for decades after he went all DC-liberal in the '70s to further his Presidential ambitions.  He only had one really tough challenge, from Tommy Hartnett, and this is one of the most conservative, Republican states in the country.

356 Rudy saved NY, really saved NY in more way than you can see.

Here's how you can tell.  Population:
1970 7.9 million
1980 7.1 million -10.1%
1990 7.3 million +3.5%
2000 8.0 million +9.4%
2009 8.4 million +4.8% (est)

Rudy took office in 1994 and left in 2001.

357

I believe I read/heard something about Palin's endorsement of Ayotte - it was done early, when it looked like Binnie was going to be giving her a run for her money.  Lamontagne wasn't even considered in contention at that point.  That may be why Palin waited so long to give other candidates her endorsement after that.  Then again, maybe not.....

And did I read correctly that EIGHT NR(S)C-chosen candidates fell this primary season, or was that a misprint?

Also, remember that in 2012, there are more Democratic-held Senate seats up for grabs than Republican-held seats - by a margin of 2-to-1.  We have a good opportunity to run some solid Conservative candidates - and get solid control of the Senate - if the NRSC decides to finally listen to the wishes of the electorate.

Whether O'Donnell wins or not, whether she turns out to be a good Senator or not, this is ultimately a win/win for our side.  We may finally get some good candidates for office next time around, and for some time after that, as well.

358

Story has disappeared.  Think the same thing will happen in DE?  NOT

If you're referring to stories regarding Ms. O'Donnell's "baggage", sadly, no. There is already discussion about her not appearing at a traditional post-primary debate at the JCC. I believe it will take place tomorrow evening. Her opponent Chris Coons has already committed to be there. Since Ms. O'Donnell made Castle's refusal to debate her a mainstay of her campaign, I hope she shows up to debate Coons because if she does not he will use this as a talking point against her.

359 Posted by: AmishDude at September 15, 2010 03:18 PM (T0NGe)

you are so smart, you and vic,  I go by what I see and observe and hear and just plain old feel in my gut.  But you, you always have facts.  

360 Fred Thompson notes the CHANGE that the Tea Party has already made in our national politics.

I would say that the old GOP boys' club rhetoric directing ALL SUPPORT only to WINNABLE CAMPAIGNS has been bogus all along. It was a self fulfilling prophesy, to only support RINOs because they are the only ones who could win.

That these old farts bitterly cling to their monopoly on national funds and "credibility" really dates them as expired.

361 O'Donnell 80% of way to half a mil

362 357- hell yeah. And they already have a new rug picked out for the oval office.

363 and this is one of the most conservative, Republican states in the country.

Not in the 70s it wasn't.  Graham has burned too many bridges in the SCGOP anyway.  Lots of county parties denounced him.  The establishment that nominated him just got trounced by Nikki Haley.  The only way Graham gets renominated is if there are too many good challengers in a cattle call primary.

That's one thing the Tea Party can do effectively and ought to focus on in future primaries.

364 How do you come to the conclusion that O'Donnell is electable in Delaware? Democrats there enjoy something like a 2:1 registration margin.

Turnout. Turnout can overcome this. We turnout. They don't. And the Dems nominated another white face in a heavily black state. Coons ain't Obama.

365

-O'Donnell wins

-Herr Mergenholz uses the word "ergo" in a post 

-Ace produces a manuscript from a "nameless" source, writing to right his past 

- Rush blasts Rove

We aint in Kansas ennymooore.

 

366 #379

Told ya make $500K!

367 ergo next stop for O'Donnell a cool million ....

368 But you, you always have facts. 

Thanks.  I forgot why I ran across those numbers but they staggered me.

I was also struck by the TV movie "The Bronx Is Burning" a few years ago about the 77(?) Yankees against a backdrop of the Son of Sam murders. How NYC was such a horrible place to live.  If you can find it, also look at the Barney Miller pilot.  It was all about how the police captain had to live with bars on the windows and the whole city (paralleling the country) was going to hell.

369 358
How do you come to the conclusion that O'Donnell is electable in Delaware? Democrats there enjoy something like a 2:1 registration margin.

Posted by: Pennsylvania at September 15, 2010 03:05 PM (AWxUm)

See this comment from this morning's Five Reasons O'Donnell Could Win post.

370 351 What the fuck is 'purging'?

And where's Maddow, Paul and Tattoo? I need my bearded Marxist stroked.

Posted by: rosie o'donut at September 15, 2010 02:58 PM (3phFo)

A binge is followed by a purge.  I'd say we've had more than a binge, we've had an orgy

371 Rudy saved NY, really saved NY in more way than you can see.

That's good economic data.

Speaking of Rudy, it's interesting that Michael Savage resurrected Giuliani's political influence this week on moral grounds since Rudy dissed every premise that Rauf progresses through in the media for his gz mosque. He spoke of two Rudy's, the real Rudy as former prosecutor and effective mayor vs. the one who swallowed all the hype from his national advisers who ruined his potus run.

Geez, given Obama I'd think that ANYONE disillusioned with this administration would demand either Rudy or Fred back on the '12 ticket since America's eyes have been opened.

372 curious at September 15, 2010 03:28 PM

Someone's had the orgy while the rest of us have been raped.

373

372 Brown beat Coakley in Massachusetts.

Senator Brown had a record of public service, he held office as a State Senator before he decided to run for Ted Kennedy's seat. (yes, we are aware, Brown famously reminded us it is the people's seat.) In any case, the Delaware electorate is, shall we say...unique. Last night the Democrats nominated a candidate for State Auditor who has expressed his admiration for Hugo Chavez.

In addition to the 2:1 margin the Democrats enjoy, there are roughly 150,000 independent voters in the state. Christine will have to win a significant number of them to her side. I am glad to learn today's money bomb is succesful for her, she will need the funds to wage a successful fight. It may be that some commenters here don't realize that the election last night was a closed primary.

374

382, 358

Thank you for replies to my question.

375 308 The great thing about the Tea Party is that it is LOCAL.doesn't exist as a comprehensive body.

Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 02:40 PM (5aa4z)

wasn't the American Revolution won largely due to guerilla warfare?

376 ergo next stop for O'Donnell a cool million ....
Run amok even!

377

One thing all those crying about Castle's defeat don't get is that if O'Donnell (and she just might) wins in November it will totally reshape the narrative. It will prove that unapologetic conservatism CAN WIN in deep blue states (Chris Christie anyone?).

It will also scare the living shit out of Graham, Snowe, Collins. They will definitely shift to the right, you just watch. Craven, spineless, whores that they are.    

 

378 Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2010 03:29 PM (H+LJc)

I didn't even know about fred till I came here.  But why why did he have to do those reverese mortgage commercials?  Kinda like why why did rudy dress in drag for SNL. 

I think when you have real people, they have flaws. 

Heck, were you to have a kid today, and you wanted to give them a chance in politics, you had better make sure they are nearly perfect.  You never know, they might inadvertently grab something off the shelf while they are in the stroller and the store's cameras might record it and save it for posterity until said child runs for office and his/her opponent is "digging up stuff to discredit them".

Seriously, is this the world we all want to live in?

379

That's their base not they're base.  idiot

And it are belong to us.

380 Those of us that are big C conservatives see no difference in destination between electing RINOs and electing Dems.

I am a conservative.  You don't speak for me.

381

I've been firmly on the fence during this whole debate. That's how brave, open-minded and "thinky" i am.

Unlike you dullards with your big, stupid opinions and whatnot.

I'll say this, though, I like my politicians scared. This primary has at least accomplished that much. I don't want any Republican to feel safe. I want them groveling and kissing ass to the grass roots rabble.

382

(1) The GOP is officially a bottom-up party now

And I'm now officially ready to reach across the aisle.

383 This is total gutcheck time for squishes and wannabe RINOs.
I still don't think they realize that we've played it their way for decades, and got nothing for it but bigger government and massive losses. They need get out of the way.

384 Having lived in New York State the United States, I know firsthand what a wasted opportunity the Pataki governorship Bush presidency plus control of both houses of Congress was.

Fixed.

385 382  And the Dems nominated another white face in a heavily black state. Coons ain't Obama.

Really?  (I'm asking, not being snarky.)  I never thought of Delaware as a "heavily black" state.  I always thought of it as Vermont, just further south.

386 How do you come to the conclusion that O'Donnell is electable in Delaware? Democrats there enjoy something like a 2:1 registration margin.

Posted by: Pennsylvania at September 15, 2010 03:05 PM (AWxUm)

OK, here's the thing.  Before the primary was actually held, before the results were seen, before the kerfuffle about Rove and NRSC comments, before the reversal...

FiveThirtyEight already ran the race through the forecasting model there, which has been surprisingly accurate for the last couple of years.  Yes, the host leans left, but the math is pretty solid.

For all of you who are treating this as a fait accompli, who think there is no chance she could win there, that the seat is a guaranteed non-pickup, before the improvements started piling up.. just how bad do you think the outlook was for O'Donnell to win the general against Coons?  How much of a Long Shot Louie was she?

A million to one?  A thousand to one?  100 to 1?  10 to 1?

No.  She was estimated back then (all of 2 days ago) to have the insurmountable problem of overcoming a one in six shot of taking it.

Clearly, that's impossible.  Go prove it to yourself.  Go pick up a die from some game set, and declare that against all odds, you're going to throw that die and it's gonna come up six.

Never.  Gonna.  Happen.  It's a forgone conclusion.  What are you, nuts?

Those odds are improving with what we are seeing today.  So I'd like to propose something to all of you folks who keep insisting that this means the seat is already a non-pickup, and our hopes are dashed.  It's crazy, I know, but here me out.

Let's actually have the general election campaign for the next seven weeks, actually try like total morons to help her win against these clearly-impossible odds, and then go and actually vote.

I know, it's not listening to polls which give her opponent the edge, it's tedious, there's a likelihood that we might expend all that effort and expense and actually lose, and thus not get the pickup of a seat that you wanted.  It's not listening to the smart ruling-class pundits who declare categorically that she's unelectable.

It's not following conventional wisdom at all.  It's crazy!

So crazy, it just might work!  Whaddaya say, kids?  Who's with me!?!

387 Ha HA ha HAHA that cannot be true no way.
Some are saying O'Donnell cannot win or have no chance against a SELF DESCRIBED MARXIST??!!!!

Posted by: lions at September 15, 2010 01:52 PM (H8tcq)

When will you people get it through your heads that the whole country does not think like us. IT'S DELAWARE. They fucking love Marxists. You think Bernie Sanders keeps getting re-elected because he's managed to pull the wool over the voters' eyes?

388 When will you people get it through your heads that the whole country does not think like us.

This.

I thought Obama had the election won until I heard him say a few days beforehand that he was going to resdistribute the wealth. Said it right on TV, for all the country to hear, and I thought well, that's it, no way in Hell average Americans will vote for that shit.

I have grown up since then, and I now realize what we're up against. We're not just fighting for control of Congress, we are fighting for the fucking soul of our country.

389

Stated far better than I could have, but, states my sentiments exactly.  As an FYI, here is the latest Tweet from Christine:

ChristineOD

  

We have surpassed our earlier goal of $500,000. What do you think? Can we hit $750,000? http://bit.ly/9kdQUI #DESEN #tcot #teaparty

390

"Here's the thing.  The Tea Party movement doesn't have a public face, or a location.  It's just an ideological movement without being an identifiable target.  Ergo, it can not be fixed, or polarized.  Alinsky didn't plan on this reaction,  His tactics don't work, and in fact they backfire."

Not so sure, particularly if "tea party" groups starting endorsing candidates. I've already talked to one moderate type who really didn't know much about the tea parties, but who did think O'Donnell was a wacko. His view now is that obviously the tea parties or pretty much anyone affiliated with them is that they have no credibility, since they will back any nutcase as long as he or she is a right winger.

391 72 good letter. One typo worth fixing:

If anything, they despite their colleagues in Congress

'despise' is what he means, I think based on context

Correct, if archaic, use of the word.  Of course, it might be a typo.  But if it isn't, tip of the hat . . . that's the first time in ages I've seen the word used in that sense (in writing from the last hundred years or so).

"Despite" & "despise" share the same Latin root.

392 Oh, and good post.

393 Random, here are the Demographics: Blacks make up 21 percent of the populace of De versus 12% nationwide.
 

394 412 is me

395 It's me, my friends.

396

I was thinking earlier about how this all started with MoveOn, Kos, and the Dean insurgency.  They retooled their own party with a harder leftist bent when Dean took the DNC chair.  I'm not sure how Lieberman's beating Lamont figures into this except as an indication that their party was already pretty far left when they started.

They played against Bush.  We are playing against Obama.

Yeah, and right now the Tea Party crowd looks a lot like the Kos crowd did when all it looked like they were doing was organizing and energizing progressives.   Then they got Howard Dean into the DNC chair (and let me tell you, I know some of those guys and they hated Terry McAuliffe worse than anyone on our side hates Michal Steele or Mitch McConnell.) Then they started doing shit like going after Joe Lieberman WHO WAS THE DEMOCRATS' OWN VP NOMINEE just two years before. 

Then they got Obama elected President, but he won mostly because he fooled a lot of middle-of-the-road people into believing he was a middle-of-the-road guy.  And the progressives proceeded to COMPLETELY misread the election result and go on a bacchanalia of spending, debt, regulation, and government takeovers of half the economy.

Now look at the shit they are in.  They are still bitching and whining that Obama hasn't delivered on their entire progressive agenda, but America thinks he's given us too damn much of the progressive agenda. 

Looks to me like we are about to to the same damn thing. 

397 Very clever, Ace.

First a post pro-Castle; then a post pro-O'Donnell.

It's like you've joined Wall Street and become a trading house cashing in Main Street traffic from both sides.

It's just so devious that I don't recognize you anymore. I don't know whether to add a new wing to my Ewok shrine or to torch it.

One thing I do know: Karl Rove still exhibits great suckitude.

398

Then they started doing shit like going after Joe Lieberman WHO WAS THE DEMOCRATS' OWN VP NOMINEE just two years before. 

Well hell I was out to knock off McCain and he was P nominee like last year.

Not everything they do is insane. I sympathized with their plight when they were doing that - not the cause, but the pliught - and you know what? They cashed in on it. Big time. It worked.

It worked.

Not with Lieberman (nor with McCain). But they definetly got their money's worth out of their own party, and now we've got Obama.

There is also a fundemental difference. Ignore it all you please but it is real and meaningful.

A "RINO" is someone who votes R 40% of the time. A "DINO" is someone who votes D 90% of the time.

Liberman only ever deviated on ONE issue. McCain and Castle have had dozens. Dozens.

They are still bitching and whining that Obama hasn't delivered on their entire progressive agenda, but America thinks he's given us too damn much of the progressive agenda. 

Again - difference. America is a right leaning country.

Besides - who ares? Do you know what a "ratchet effect" is?

It's working.

It's been working. Who cares about an election? They're winning the country. Will it matter ONE BIT if democrats loose congress and the presidency, if we do not repeal obamacare? They'll have won, BIGTIME.

When the private insurers die off or turn into public/private abominations like FannieMae and everyone depends on Government as the sole payer for their deadly neccessary health care; they'll have won bigger than any party ever wins from one measly plebicite.

Forest > Trees.

399

Gramsci has marched through our institutions.

Mock them if you please (they are kooks, seriously) but they are effective. They're killing us. Don't underestimate them.

And the progressives proceeded to COMPLETELY misread the election result and go on a bacchanalia of spending, debt, regulation, and government takeovers of half the economy.

You seem to think this is bad for them...

You put another H. W. Bush in office in '12, and cheer your heart out like you will never win anything again because in 30 years Bambi will go down with Roosevelt as a founding father of the brave new State.

Never will so much be won through losing as what they'll have accomplished.

400

"Despite" & "despise" share the same Latin root.

I thought despite was the noun version.

As in, rather than 'despite someone', you would despise them. But then you could say you regarded them 'with despite'.

401 Since you still haven't figured it out: I don't care. That, entropy, is because you're an idiot. Either that, or you want Obama to be able to do more in 2011 and 2012. Which would make you an idiot. We had 55 seats in '04, the House and the POTUS and that congress sucked donkey dick. It was not "priceless". It was well neigh useless. We picked up a bare majority in 2002, and as a result we got the Bush tax cuts, and deposed Saddam. More importantly, unlike 2001 - 2009, you might have noticed that we don't have a Republican President any more. Which means we're not trying to get things through the Senate, we're just trying to not get things through the Senate. And it's a lot easier to do that when you control the calendar. If the Republicans controlled the calendar in the Senate, then Obama's rationing Medicare boss would have been grilled on national TV, and then defeated, not appointed as a recess appointment. If the Republicans controlled the calendar in the Senate right now, Kagan would still be waiting for a vote, while the Republicans demanded answers, she refused to give them, and the Republicans refused to hold a vote until she answered their questions. If you don't want the Republicans doing that to Obama in 2011, don't waste your time talking about what a "true" conservative you are, because it's all bullshit. If you do want the Republicans doing that to Obama, then you want at least 51 people who call themselves Republicans in the Senate in January 2011. And you want that more than you want any amount of ideological "purity". look, I don't like RINOs, and I'm more than happy to get rid of them when it won't cost us an important vote. 51 is a f*cking important vote.

402

That, entropy, is because you're an idiot.

Nu uh! You're a, great giant hugenormous anal-wart-head!

We picked up a bare majority in 2002, and as a result we got the Bush tax cuts,

Tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts. I've long ago tired of tax cuts. The tax rate is temporary. It changes constantly. One adminstration jacks it up, the next down, the next back up. It averages over time. It's nothing they can't undo.

And frankly, the problem is SPENDING! We've forgotten why we wanted to cut the taxes! We were suppose to starve the ebast. It doesn't work. I want balanced budgets! I'll pay more taxes, and happily, if you cut the hell out of the spending.

Tax cuts are an opiate. Let's be rid of them and their sillyness. SPENDING CUTS. That's the issue.

and deposed Saddam.

Saddam? Well WOOP-DE-DOO for South Park and millions of Iraqis. But it's not really doing much for me. Bunch of dead marines later, no WMD after all. What was that crackpot going to do to me? That it required our money and our lives to end his lunacy? Let France deal with it. Let the Iraqis get off their fatalistic asses and have a proper revolution if they are suffering.

I got to tell you in 1999 that was a huge issue for me. I'm all like "Fuck man! That Saddam Hussein is pissing me off!"

Where's Bin Laden by the way? You know... the guy who actually blew up the tower?

Which means we're not trying to get things through the Senate, we're just trying to not get things through the Senate.

I like it better when we're NOT trying to get NCLB or Medicare Part D or Amnesty or Campaign Finance Reform or banning poker through the senate.

Apparently this is the best argument I ever heard for voting for D presidents.

Let's say you convince me. I'm not sure how this argument is suppose to benefit your position with backfiring on you.

 don't waste your time talking about what a "true" conservative you are

Mmmkay.

I'm a libertarian then.

I like Jim DeMint though. And DeMint, who knows something about congress, seems to think he can get more done with 30 conservatives than with 60 RINO's.

Besides the fact that I tended to agree with that logic even before he said it, we may as well give him a shot, as there ain't a bastard in DC I'd be liable to more trust not to fuck things up worse then that one.

You got small potatos issues. You're gonna stall Kagan. Wee.

WHY are you gonna stall Kagan? Because she won't answer a questionaire? Reveal her records? BZZT.

Momentary victories. A rear-guard fight to cover a retreat. All you're doing is pestering the marxists and ruining an otherwise perfectly good march toward inevitable History.

All your victories are like tax cuts.

None of them are spending cuts.

403

51 is a f*cking important vote.

41 is more important.

Politics is funny math. Things are different when you count politicians.

Castles and Snowes count, if you count to 51.

But they don't count if you plan to stop counting at 41.

The proof is in the pudding.

In the 2008 congress, we had 41 seats, if you're counting to 51.

But probably 35 if you try to count to 41.

But, we could have 46, and not a damn thing would have changed. Somehow, we'd still have 35.

But if we had 41 counting to 41, 41 of DeMint, Sessions, Coburn, and Vitter, Obamacare would not have happened.

We had 55 Snowes, and they EXPANDED the welfare state. 52 is dangerous. When you count past 51, it turns into -5, because everyone becomes democrats.

But 41 is what we need, and we if we had that many, none of this shit would have happened.

404

SOME positive stuff.

How quickly we forget.  The seat being run for by Rubio and Crist, was vacated by Mel Martinez.  Charlie Crist and Mel Martinez, aided by the worm Huckabee, gave the entire nation no other choice against Obama, apart from McCain.  Martinez and Crist propelled McCain to a narrow victory, in Florida, by using their pull in South Florida.  Had 200,000 (more or less, going on recollection, here) votes in Florida not gone to the only alternative left, Bob Barr, McCain would have won Florida, but he didn't draw voters.  He only drew the conservative determined, as with me, though I voted for McCain.

Too many people I knew that I had worked on for years, people that had been independents, or liberals, or even far-left liberals, that I had convinced to vote R in the past few elections,  people that had grown to trust my judgement, told me in 2008 that they were rejecting my best efforts.  They told me that there was no difference between the parties, so they were going to give the other side a chance in 2008.  Thanks to Charlie Crist and Mel Martinez, Jeb Bush's hand-picked Flying Monkeys, plus, of course Jeb Bush himself, as a country, we came away from Florida with no choice left, but McCain.

Jeb Bush is no conservative; he only supports that which benefits his crony-capitalism development interests.  There is no such thing as a worth-a-fuck Bush, to my knowledge, though I can't speak for the younger Bushes.   I know what I have seen, my entire life, in the Bushes we are aware of.  Those that I am personally aware of are a paternalistic, wishy-washy clan.

They gave us McCain and did so purposefully, in 2008.  My experience, again from Florida, is that John Cornyn is a lying sack of shit.  There is no falsehood that he won't spin, there is no principle he will stand behind.  I have carefully listened to two interviews he recently gave and he is a flat-out liar.  He did everything he could do to torpedo Marco Rubio's primary effort against Crist and, personally, admitted by him, convinced Crist to run against Rubio.  He claims that, as NRSC head, he convinced Crist to run and wasn't aware of Rubio.  That's a flat lie.  Go back and read RedState from that time period;  Cornyn was well aware that Rubio was already running.  I was here.  I read his words and heard him speak, then; the man is not honest, to be kind.  He did everything he could to convince Florida conservatives to back Crist, knowing that Rubio was already running.

These incumbents are scum, nearly without exception.  Fuck them with a RINO horn.  These kind R leaders that pretend to have nothing but the best intentions, if only they could have a slightly greater majority, would also like to convince you that they would be more effective if they just had your sister helping out.

We demonize the Maine sisters, knowing what they are, and we grouse about Scott Brown, while the entire Republican caucuses in the House and Senate knowingly and purposely coddle, then beat us.  They don't give a crap about us, our the Constitution.

It will take several election cycles and we have to pander to them, just as they pander to the electorate, but we have to weed out every one of these scum bags, as the timing befits us and not the people that make their livings from Washington.  Fuck Mel Martinez: done.  Fuck Charlie Crist: done.  Fuck Lisa Murkowski: done.  Fuck Mike Castle: done.  In each case, we will either win a better replacement, or we at least have a shot.

Six months ago, John Cornyn was solidly behind Charlie Crist as was every Justin Beiber Republican.  In Florida, we defeated John Cornyn.  When I voted in the primary, as always happens, they had to go through a special process to give me a Republican ballot, because the assholes that run polling places have to make a special, big deal about saying, "Oh, he's a Republican," out loud, then they have to hunt around for a primary ballot.

The people that work the tables at voting booths don't have jobs, which is not rare, today, but Democrats probably have seniority.

You want to have an impact at th local level on the election?  Right now, or tomorrow, contact your local election's supervisor.  Ask to be an observer and let them know you are going to sit there, the entire day, and film every minute of it.  And then actually do it.  I have stories going back decades of how hard it is, just to get a Republican ballot in a primary.  I have actually been told, loudly, that, "You don't look like a Republican," then had to stare people down until they would give me a ballot.

Who do you think sits there, all day in election precincts?  They are all retired teachers or other union members, making their last ditch effort to sway results.  Those that aren't retired are unemployed, hoping for some government largess.

Don't bother trying to break into their ranks and taking a space, as they are a close-knit group.  Instead, consider giving a day to being an observer and recording everything you can get away with.  Remember, this year is important, but that the First Team will be out in 2012, seeking to throw elections.  We can use this election and depict the blatant misbehavior of the personnel at the polls for two years.

The socialists will never quit; they never have and never will.  They are not like normal people.  Regardless of what happens in November, the socialists will be back in 2012 with a redoubled effort and most of their efforts will be in the cheating arena that conservatives don't fight in.

You wanna win this year, then win again in 2012?  Don't vote for RINOs and don't let natural born thieves steal elections.  There isn't an honest bone in the body of a leftist, or in a RINO that pretends to be just conservative enough, to get elected.  They can never make an honest statement about what they really think, or feel, to the electorate.

Unlike relatively honest people, these sorts of people have to lie, every day, just to make their paycheck.  They are very good at lying to themselves, while convincing themselves that their lies are for the greater good.

That's what people of good faith miss about professional liars.   People of good faith would never lie to anybody, except perhaps their wives, when she asks that question about how she looks in a certain outfit.

I'm a scientist.  If I ever lied to anybody, about anything, my reputation would be ruined, unless I pretended I believed in anthropogenic global warming, in which case, that would be a career enhancement.  This is the fundamental thing that everybody seems to miss about life, and science.

Never, since the domination by the Catholic Church, has science been so bolloxed.  Except when the Arabs capitulated to Islam and destroyed their scientific tradition.

So, let's pretend that when the Muslims killed infidels and the Christians burned and drowned blasphemers ended awhile back.  I'm pretty sure the Christians stopped that centuries ago and the Muslims still do so, but let's pretend.

Tomorrow, if I attempt to open a lemonade stand on your block, properly, I will be swamped by a mountain of paperwork by the secular god of paperwork.

Both my (liberal) fiance and I have tried this.  I started with this, after 20 years in the corporate world, back in 2007.  My liberal fiance started this 6 months ago.  We receive important-looking envelopes, every single day.

Neither Muslims nor Christians are my problem, nor the dreaded Jews.   If the Fort Hood Shooter showed up in my yard, I would shoot him and that wouldn't be a problem.  Except for on big thing.  The governmet voted for by every lazy citizen around me would require me to defend myself for having shot him.

So, please, let's waste pixels on the merits and demerits of Castle versus O'Donnell.  As proper sheep you will focus upon that, instead of why your government now has stolen your rights and is involved in every aspect of your lives.

While you focus upon whom get to be the new committee chairmen in Washington, this is only about which doggy butt you stare at, as they all drag you over a cliff of ice.

Ultimately, too many people, even on Ace of Spades, are content to select doggy butt.  I won't, because I see disaster and a cliff ahead.  There are no better dog butts to follow over the cliff.

For that reason, I assume I will have to jump away from the sled that follows dog butts over the cliff.  I don't require of myself that I have to be the lead dog, but you know the old saying; "If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes."

We are already 14 trillion dollars in debt and the best most Republicans have to offer is that, had we elected them, we wouldn't have gotten here, quite as soon.

405

We picked up a bare majority in 2002, and as a result we got the Bush tax cuts, and deposed Saddam.

Although... On second thought... you have a point.

Relatively speaking, the 2002 congress (51) was much much better than the 2004 congress (55).

Which leads me to believe 31 is going to be pure nivana.

But...like I said - 52 is a very bad number.

If Christine O'Donnell loses her race and we still get 51 seats, you'll have to thank me, because we saved your ass.

If she loses and we still we get 52, you'll wish we'd sunk Kirk with a suprise Alan Keyes rematch, because the dems will still run the show as far as anyone can tell, they'll just have different names and less minorities.

406

Never, since the domination by the Catholic Church, has science been so bolloxed. 

Good post, on the whole, but you should read your religous and science history. And then, for kicks read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Arthur A. Miller. Great scifi novel.

The relationship of science with the church is often misrepresented. It has no real comparison to today. There was no seperate establishment of science apart from religion, or of state.

Lysenkoist mergers of State and science as deadly or worse than religion. Frankly, worse. Far worse.

And even in the days of the Catholic church, the Church WAS the academic education and scientific establishment, as well as the church, as well as the government too. And being the government, the church screwed science in that capacity as often or more as it did on the grounds of genuine theology.

Read about Galileo. Not the cliff notes with the narrative all packaged for you, but the nitty gritty. It is... nuanced, actually. And complicated. And rooted in that time.

Both politics and, frankly, other academic scientists with opposing scientific theories played plenty a hand in condemning Galileo, who was not, on the whole, condemned for Heliocentricity as he was for what hackish things he tried to do with it.

Note: nobody religous ever had a problem with Koepernicus.

Koepernicus, by the way... and Newton... and monastic orders preserving the secrets of the dead Roman Empire... St. Thomas Aquinas

In the name of "Natural Philosophy" or "Natural Theology", the catholic church birthed what became modern science, as well as the very episteme of it, and it sustained and conducted science much more oftan than it truly persecuted it.

Although it did do that a bit too.

407 2 other points.

1.  If there was ever a time to cram as many conservatives into office as possible, this is the time. The people want a change. They tried "democrat lite" and they tried full-on socialist. Now is the time to give the people what they've never seen before. Real conservatives in a real position of power.

2. America is seeing the Republican party change so dramatically it's catching many off guard. The MSM can't avoid reporting the excitement even though they claim it will never work. The Dems are begging to run against what Obama calls "the same old tired ideas that got us into this mess." And that line sells whether it's true or not. But the Dem line won't work if the Republicans are known nationwide for having deposed their former masters.

You're witnessing the conservative wing of the Republican party reach the rock star status that pushed Obama and the libs into office. It's not just Republicans feeling the heat from this change. The whole country is watching and loving it!

408 If the Republicans controlled the calendar in the Senate right now, Kagan would still be waiting for a vote, while the Republicans demanded answers, she refused to give them, and the Republicans refused to hold a vote until she answered their questions.

This is complete crap.  Mitch McConnell has let it be know time and time again, and reiterated as recently as this year, that his philosophy is that the President gets to nominate whoever he wants, and the only role of the Senate is to determine whether they are qualified or not... that it is not the job of the Senate to oppose a nominee being seated because they disagree with the nominee's philosophy.  He subscribes very heavily to the "elections have consequences" camp, and thinks both sides should get to seat pretty-much whoever they want, because they won.

There's a philosophical argument to be made for that position.  I don't subscribe to it.  But it is naive in the extreme to think that he's suddenly not going to subscribe to it just because the Republicans can set the calendar. 

He's a "bipartisan" RINO squish (and he looks like a turtle...  NTTAWWT.)

The time has come to send a strong message that the newly revitalized wing of the Republican party (with extra Tea Party in every bite!) is the governing philosophy that should be offered in contrast to the Democrats, not more of the same thing that has put us into this ditch to begin with.

You want ultra-liberal judges kicked to the curb when nominated?   Put enough conservative senators in to get better leadership in the Senate for a change... leadership who will play hardball.