1

Obama, on the other hand, lied up and down about his true intentions and now here we are with three years left (and it will only be three years) on his corruptly-gained presidency

from your lips to G-d's. well you know the shtick.

2 I'm Canadian, so maybe an American will be able to tell me: why were the Supreme Court justices all sitting there to personally receive Obama's insults? Do they HAVE to attend this bit of kabuki theatre? Surely the President can't just summon them, but it looked like he thought he was a Sultan, with his vassals assembled before him. Next year, why don't they just skip it? In the past, presidents didn't always even come personally to give this report; it was just dispatched in a letter, which I suppose anyone could read at his leisure. So if the reason for everyone's attendance is "tradition", it's a tradition of not very long standing.

3

"The difference between the Bush and Obama cases is, that clown-like cheering section notwithstanding last night, even ObamaÂ’s own stalwarts are rejecting half of what he does and says, and feel he has betrayed them and let them down."

 

Umm...you know...I really don't feel like eating my pie today, either.

4 So how about them Knicks?

5 Amen.

6 Ace, I never forgot you were white while reading this

7
oh and looksie here - another party-line vote in favor of another dung heap of debt for our grandchildren.


The Senate approved on Thursday a $1.9 trillion boost in the amount of debt the federal government can take out. The bill, which passed 60 to 40 [along party lines], would establish the new limit at $14.3 trillion — equal to about $45,000 for every American.

-Wash Post.

8 Obama, on the other hand, lied up and down about his true intentions He told me the truth.

9

Dr. Mabuse, i had read from one of the Pundits (might have been nro) i also might mis-remember who.

that many times in the past only one or two Justices would appear.

so it's doesn't seem to be mandatory

10

American is just beginning to understand its prison sentence. He all get 3-7 years based on someone else's behavior.

 

11 mmm mmm mmm I love me some malignant narcissist.

12 I really don't feel like eating my pie today, either.

You know where that pie goes, baby.

13
Behind every democrat is a progressive bully-boy.  Behind every promise(D), is deception.

14 Uhm, Bush told us he would deal with Iran and he fucking didn't.

15 Meh, I never liked the son of a bitch anyway.

16 The Senate approved on Thursday a $1.9 trillion boost in the amount of debt the federal government can take out. The bill, which passed 60 to 40 [along party lines], would establish the new limit at $14.3 trillion — equal to about $45,000 for every American.


60-40? Is Paul Kirk still casting votes?

17

It's like he's trying to sell us real estate on Dagobah.

Obamalaise.

18 Is Obama President?

19 The TOTUS performed less than admirably last night.

20

"I'm Canadian, so maybe an American will be able to tell me: why were the Supreme Court justices all sitting there to personally receive Obama's insults?"

Well, they all weren't there.  I'm pretty sure Scalia and Thomas weren't in attendance. 

Maybe it's like my wife and her siblings with funerals for extended family .  They have a bunch of aunts, uncles and cousins that they've had limited contact with throughout their lives.  When someone dies, they take turns showing up.

So next time,  maybe Alito and Roberts get to skip it. 

21
16 - I guess so. 

22 [Torches, pitchforks, tar, feathers, etc]

23

Ace,

As your President, I must inform you that calling me "thin-skinned" is an obvious code word for black, and I resent your rampant racist utterings.  No pudding for you!

Barry

24 Malignant Narcis-sist.  Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

25

/sock

26 WTF happened, my ass is sore as hell.

27 60-40? Is Paul Kirk still casting votes? Until Feb 11, I believe.

28

all throughout history brave sorta-men like our mtero president have stood up to the bullies and forged a new direction for his subjects, i mean people...

  after pol pot killed a 100,000 people he could have stopped but drove on killing more...

if adolf hitler had yet another chance i am sure he would  have invaded russia when he did again and again... whats a little mud anyway?

during that glorious revolution in fran-say the directorate kept killing and killing, they didn't sverve from their goal of killing everyone for anything...sure they got the leadership at the end but thats a small price to pay for progress...

did stalin listen to the whinnig from outside or inside russia, no... he kept on killing and killing for the progressive ideals he stood for...

and so should l'duc-abma... JUST KEEP DOING THE SAME STUPID FUCKING THINGS AND IF YOU HAVE TO - MARSHALL LAW AND GULAGS WORKED BEFORE!!!!!!!!!

i must get back to my sooper smart projects- like spending this stimulus money on whores and shit

 

29 Hate is good. As a motivator it's much better than love. Progs are dead.

30 Good, I'm glad it's okay to hate this clown now, because I'm having a hard time keeping that to myself. 

And holy mackerel, did anyone read Christopher Buckley's slobbering knob job over at Daily Beast?  Apparently, it is not satire.

31 Tell us how you really feel, Ace.  Actually, I started hating him awhile back.  And as Rush said earlier in his show, Barry is the least experienced person in the room, lecturing everyone else.  He truly is a classic, and dangerous narcissist.

32 And holy mackerel, did anyone read Christopher Buckley's slobbering knob job over at Daily Beast?  Apparently, it is not satire.

Really?!?! For true?!?! He must  be super upset that the new IPad didn't include the necessary haptic technology to blow Obama from afar then.

33

#2 & #9:

It's not mandatory, but it is customary.  The only time I can recall a complete SCOTUS boycott of a SOTU speech was Clinton's last one.  Not a single justice showed up.

I think they were all out trying to figure out what the meaning of "is" is, and how Fox News got away with the Trotsky assasination.

34 I let Jules do my thinking for me too. Not my drinking, just my thinkin'.

35 I wonder if we're going to start seeing some 7-2, 8-1 decisions coming out of the supreme court favoring the constitution. Payback is a bitch.

36 Buckley can't decide how to feel about Teh Won.  Just like Kathleen Parker's on-again-off-again love for Barky.  I'm sick of these people.  They helped elect the bastard.

37

Ace.  You need to dissect this - Buckley Piece.

What a festering pie of shit...

38
That's a good observation about The One's supposedly first-class temperment. Say what you like about McCain - and I've said most of it myself over the years - the man was a rock in the Hanoi Hilton. Can you imagine Obama going through a similar ordeal?

No, I can't either.

39

When he was talking about Al-Qaida at one point I thought he said "Al-Qaida spiders." I think TOTUS was totally messing with him.

Oh, and my friend's 8 year old daughter watched the speech with her father and then spent the rest of the evening storming around the house muttering "I hate him, I hate him, I hate that man."

When you can't even fool 8 year olds the gig is up.

40 There's a large portion of indepdent voters, who in 2008, told Obama that they could do whatever they want to them, just keep it out of their hair. Now, these same people are breaking out the shampoo and combs.

Or how 'bout this one?
Obama played 'just the tip' with America, and now we're looking at Son of Stimulus.

41

Absolutely right on.  The tone of the MSM articles about the SoTU this morning could only be described as tenuous, imo.  They really wanted something good to say about the performance but, in the end, were left with what they've been fed, 12 month old reheated, reconstituted socialist gruel.  They wanted so much that Obama would jink back to the center but instead he leaned even more against the grain of sentiment that will resist socialism for all it's worth.

The U.S. isn't a socialist country and Obama is proving himself to be the same type of socialist joke that Chavez is, with one difference - Obama does not have a majority of oppressed poor to prop him up.

He's finished.

42 We are so fucked but the bottom line is nobody should be surprised. This guy was the most radical leftist in the entire United States Fucking Congress. That was not a secret, mightily as the media tried to downplay it. He said he was going to Fundamentally Transform America, for crying out loud. Just what the fuck did people think he was going to do and how fundamentally did they think the country needed changing? I know I'm preaching to the choir but just had to rant anyway........while it's still legal. I hope.

43 American Jews boted 80% for Obama. should they also be hated for helping to elect him ?

44 But IÂ’m beginning to get the leftÂ’s visceral reaction to everything our often inarticulate, chimp-like former president did and said. The difference between the Bush and Obama cases is, that clown-like cheering section notwithstanding last night, even ObamaÂ’s own stalwarts are rejecting half of what he does and says, and feel he has betrayed them and let them down. The comparisons to the left and Bush are really lame and totally inaccurate. Even the attempt to equate emotional levels and reactions is clearly mistaken.

45 Not that I am comforted by the Oval Office being occupied by an empty suit, but Don Surber absolutely nailed where we are today....

"...Obama will not be re-elected. That makes him a ruptured duck. And the alligators on Capitol Hill gobble the ruptured ducks first.

The State Of The Union is we are presidentless."

46 Every time I go to the Daily Beast I feel the need for a shower.  And after the Buckley piece I feel like scrubbing myself with sandpaper.  "Tears streaming down their faces"--really?  Where the hell was he and who was he watching this crap fest with?  Kathleen?  Peggy?

47 Remember when he gave the example of how open his administrations been because he revealed the guest list? Classic Jedi mind trick fail.

48 I didn't watch it last night.  Figured I'd be getting highlight all week, and the recap from here is the best...the Best Jerry!  But Ginsburg look like she was ready to drop to the floor, and not be able to get up.

49
posted by: doug


Actually doug Bush was always straight up and told Americans in no uncertain terms that Iraq was going to be a long difficult struggle.

50 43 American Jews boted 80% for Obama. should they also be hated for helping to elect him ?

Posted by: sheik Yamani at January 28, 2010 01:03 PM (mhD2v)

Yeah and they make up just two percent of all voters - so fuck you.

51 nevermind

52 Looks like the trolls may be out today.

53

I don't hate The Vapid One©.

I prefer to just pat him on his little head when he says something stupid (which explains why my arm stays cramped up all the time) and tell him to go back to his room and play. It's impolite to interrupt adults while we're doing something important.

54 "He doesn't want disagreement. He especially doesn't want criticism. He just wants to be endlessly told how incredibly awesome he is, as he was told his entire charmed life, and as the press used to on a daily basis."

This reminds me of the same sycophantic behavior Michael Jackson had with his fans and close associates. This is why is is ignoring the economy and pushing this hard left crap no one wants. Just like Michael is is taking the advice of people who just want to ride this thing out until it expires. No one is telling him it might be a bad idea.

"You want to take a chimp and webster to an awards show, good idea"

"You want to share your bed with 8 year old boys, go ahead."

"You want some drip-inol, I call the doctor"

Like wacko jacko Obama is feeding his own political urges than doing the people voted him on for. It is pissing everyone off including his base.

"The economy is in shambles, you want to focus on healthcare, great idea."

Health Care in ways became Obama's Iraq, it is the issue drove a wedge in his presidency and fired up his opposition. Only difference is the Tea Party Movement is far more effective in changing the political climate than Code Pink or any of their ilk were over Iraq.

55

After Barky's bullshit posturing about how he and the Donkeycrats were going to impose fiscal discipline..the fuckheads today just raised the debt limit by another $1.9 trillion putting it now at $14.3 trillion..

...this is not hyperbole...i think Obama really is mentally unbalanced

I honsestly believe he really does suffer from malignant narcissism...how else can he he fucking reconcile in his own mind what are such fucking blatant contradictions

 

56 Only difference is the Tea Party Movement is far more effective in changing the political climate than Code Pink or any of their ilk were over Iraq.


You're telling me dressing up in drag and wearing costumes didn't change the political climate. Fuck, I need a new plan.

57

J.D. Salinger is dead..

...I guess its significant...I personally didn't like his work...was forced to read it in HS

58 I linked to the Buckley piece in the other SOTU thread.  What a pathetic excuse for a "conservative."

59 Oh, and my friend's 8 year old daughter watched the speech with her father and then spent the rest of the evening storming around the house muttering "I hate him, I hate him, I hate that man."

PGiS, that is priceless!

60

but the fact of the matter is I'm starting to hate this guy.....

LOL, just starting Ace?

61 Justice Kennedy is probably thinking that il douchbag needs reigning in.

62 Obama's biggest problem is that he's lazy and, apparently, tires easily. Not a good combo for president. He's also stupid and goes both ways.

63 Ace, the hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

64

But Ginsburg look like she was ready to drop to the floor, and not be able to get up.

Ginsberg is mostly dead but not truely dead---like health care.

65

63 Posted by: Barack Obama at January 28, 2010 01:12 PM (CCcDq)

You're his father?

 

66

I think I'll go back to school and get another degree - get a "public service" job and get my student loans forgiven.

Because of course no one should be obligated to pay their student loans after 10 or 20 years.  What the hell!!! 

What the hell kind of messge is that?  Then he does mention the cost of college tuition.  Schools like Yale that pay no property tax to the city of New Haven and suck them dry on public services with their billion dollar endowments and million dollar college administrator salaries.

Why not a tax on the universities with the huge endowments ... let's keep this class warfare thing going full steam. 

67

Oh yeah...Meghyn Kelly is getting her own show...starts this Monday...1:00PM.

MILF!!!

68

BTW, "The last decade, some call it the lost decade..." who calls it that? Who?

Not my fault, wah!

69

J.D. Salinger is dead..

^**Po-Tweet ^**

70 Wow, Rush is on fire eviscerating teh Bamster.  He used the word "I" more than once a minute (96 times in 70 min.)  Unbelievable.  Anyone that can't see that this man is a malignant narcissist is willfully blind.

71 J.D. Salinger is dead..

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!

72 Obama lied, Alito sighed.

73 I am your father, Ace.

74 Rush nailed Barky's SOTU:  petulant.

75 Ha!  Rush playing the clip of Teh Bamster getting laughed at for his spending freeze.  Wow!  Rush thinks he went off prompter for the last 5 minutes of the speech.  Rush thinks it's the first time Obama has experienced failure where no one greased the skids for him and covered it up for him.

76 The devil cannot stand to be mocked.

77 WILD OVERSAMPLING OF DEMOCRATS CONTINUES IN MSM POLLING!

Well folks, you would really think that after being exposes as conducting polls with FRAUDULENT SAMPLES in the past, CBS News and CNN would get religion and give us an honest sample.

Not so much.

In the polls conducted last night, CBS News gives Democrats a 23 POINT sampling advantage over Republicans while CNN trims it to only 13 POINTS.  Meanwhile, Rasmussen tells us the party affiliation advantage to Democrats is down to 1 POINT.

Isn't there some sort of law against reporting fraud as truth over the airwaves?

Amazing, simply amazing.

78 I will not miss Plastic Jesus. Three years, better than four.

79 I don't hate Bammer, but that's mainly because I knew what he was all about right from the very first. He couldn't disappointment because I never expected anything of him other than what he has consistently delivered: nothing. The reason that I equate Obama with Jimmy Carter is that both men are true ideologues in a way that Clinton, for all his pandering to the leftist base, never was. Bammer isn't pandering. He actually believes in the shit he's shoveling. This comes of being promoted too far, too fast; and of being raised in a left-liberal hothouse for most of his adult life. He's never been sincerely challenged by anyone, nor have his beliefs or assumptions ever undergone concerted attack. He's always swum in friendly waters until now. So what you're seeing is a naive and rather arrogant young ideologue reacting with frustration and anger at a world that is refusing to unfold as he believes it should. He is discovering that all of his gifts do not offset a lack of experience. And his response speaks volumes about his character: rather than admit his mistakes, he insists that he is right and everyone else is wrong. He is, in short, an amateur. He talked himself into a job that is way over his head, that he has neither the temperament nor the insight to learn, and in which he is too proud to admit failure. Obama is a man who'd rather let a house burn down than admit he dropped the cigarette.

80 LOL. The Precedent just made a funny Freudian slip,

"... we took many unpopular, unnecessary ... uh"

[paraphrased, but along those lines]

Will this guy ever get off of my TV??!

81 Monty, you're a better man than I  (well, I'm not a man, but you know what I mean).  I absolutely, loathe, detest, and hate this pathetic, unpresidential, whining, lying, unqualified, undignified, unprofessional, unaccountable, evil, backstabbing, thuggish, hypocritical, malignantly narcissistic, affirmative action, anti-American, arrogant, uncharismatic, hectoring, snotty, anti-Capitalistic cry-baby douche bag.   (I'm sure I missed something). 

82

Oops, should have used the objective pronoun me.  I just hope I addressed this before LittleMissSpellcheck says something. 

Hmm, SOTU speech was longest speech in 45 years and that it contradicted itself (as per Heritage Foundation via Rush).

83 WTF is Paul Kirk doing still casting votes? Did the GOP decide not to make a big deal of it so the Dems could wholly own the debt limit increase?

84 "A temperament is only first class if it has been tested, repeatedly, and has held up well under such heat." This is a great point. When examined through that prism, Bush had a 1st class temperament. He never lashed out or shifted blame despite much of the mountain of abuse he got was unfair. He was resolute on Iraq when most of his own party was bailing, and he never lost sight of who and what the enemy was. That's an impressive temperament, if you ask me. I would have been tempted to headbutt that lying bitch Pelosi to open every SOTU address if it had been me.

85

WTF is Paul Kirk doing still casting votes? Did the GOP decide not to make a big deal of it so the Dems could wholly own the debt limit increase?

Hopefully.

86 I'm starting to hate this guy.

Does loathing count as hate, or is it more of a feeling of horror?

87 Obama just added another definition to the term "fanatic":

Someone who believes in something so strongly that they'll keeps doing the same damn thing over and over, regardless of the consequences.

88

Yesterday I predicted a SOTU of "condescension with a high chance of bullshit". I'll be over to collect my winnings momentarily.

At the odds I was quoted, I reckon I've won about three cents.

89 Had the media told the truth about Obama, he'd be where Dennis Kunicich (sp) is today--nowhere, and staying there. 

90

WTF is Paul Kirk doing still casting votes? Did the GOP decide not to make a big deal of it so the Dems could wholly own the debt limit increase?

 

Yeah, I distinctly recall Scott Brown saying that Paul Kirk told him he was finished.  Maybe that was just about voting on health care.  Who knows.  But the thing is the Dems do own this debt ceiling increase.  The vote was completely along partisan lines.  It makes me wonder what kind of dirt McConnell has on the twits from Maine--photos of them in compromising positions with animals? 

91 I'm beginning to feel like Eddie Rickenbacker watching the Red Baron shoot his propeller off.  He knows he's in trouble, but he keeps firing anyway.

I know that there's a long way for him to fall, and it's going to be a real sight to see.

92 Monty, you're a better man than I (well, I'm not a man, but you know what I mean). Hating a politician is like hating the weather: no point to it at all. And, you know, I'm really not able to hate people in the abstract. Hate is a personal emotion to me. It's as personal as love is, really. I can't "hate" Obama because I don't know him; I don't know what's in his heart. And hatred is draining, both spiritually and physically -- just look at the self-inflicted misery the Left took on during the Bush years. And to what point? Hatred becomes a way of life, an end in itself; it becomes a badge of identity among the faithful. I find that...disturbing.* But finally, I just cannot find it in myself to hate this ridiculous child-man. He is a product of a deeply twisted and poisonous culture. Yes, a man may overcome his origins; but he will always be his parents son, as the saying goes. *Which I should, being a Christian. Forgiveness ought always to figure large in a Christian's life, but I confess I do struggle with this admonition more than any other.

93

Slightly on-topic and I don't know if this has been hit upon yet:

 

Obama's high-speed rail thing in the SOTU is the quid pro quo for the states that elected him.

http://tinyurl.com/yem5zhk

Notice the places mentioned in the ABC report linked above. Compare it to the map of states that elected Obama, and think about the goofy-ass routes mentioned in the piece. Tampa-Orlando? North Carolina in the list, but none of the surrounding states are? WTF?

94 DeVore brought up a point I share: it's great to hear Obama talk about nuclear energy and increased domestic oil production, but I don't believe one fucking word of it. I can talk about playing strong safety for the Falcons next year and making a Pro Bowl, but the odds are against it. Nothing in Obama's background or demeanor makes me think this is anything more than talk.

95 Somebody may have pointed this out already, but, as a Texan, I have to argue with Devore's description of a "Post Turtle."

The proper explanation of a Post Turtle should read:

You know he didn't get up there by himself. You know he doesn't belong up there. You know he doesn't know what the hell to do while he's up there, and you have to wonder what manner of dumbass put him up there to begin with.

A minor quibble, but I think a much more apropos description of Captain Temper Tantrum.

96

Posted by: Monty at January 28, 2010 01:51 PM (4Pleu)

 

I'm a Christian too.  I have never hated anyone before.  I think a large reason for my great animus towards Obama is that he is doing all the stuff he's doing deliberately to bring down and destroy the greatest country in the world.  The country that has the greatest capacity for success and for doing good.  I love this country and to see someone lie about its past history and its present motives and  purposefully wreak havoc and destruction in order redistribute wealth and "atone" for prior sins absolutely infuriates me. 

97

Monty's right (again).

Plus, if you let hate become a feature of this blog, next time itzbj / Guest and the rest of the killgore trouts show up here with their "lynch him NAO" crap, we're at risk of having real commenters get in trouble.

98

runningrn, righteous anger works.

Me, I'm just enjoying watching this fool fail.

99

2 I'm Canadian, so maybe an American will be able to tell me: why were the Supreme Court justices all sitting there to personally receive Obama's insults? Do they HAVE to attend this bit of kabuki theatre? Surely the President can't just summon them, but it looked like he thought he was a Sultan, with his vassals assembled before him. Next year, why don't they just skip it? In the past, presidents didn't always even come personally to give this report; it was just dispatched in a letter, which I suppose anyone could read at his leisure. So if the reason for everyone's attendance is "tradition", it's a tradition of not very long standing.

Prior to mass media transmission via TV and Radio, the SOTU was mailed to Congress for the record and then printed and published for mass distribution. Since broadcasting has evolved, the event has been taken by all sides as an opportunity to maximize exposure and publicity. At ANY event in our history where the President chose to address an assembly of both houses of Congress, it was a matter of respect for the Supremes to attend so as to acertain his intentions for future consideration in court rulings. When Congress writes laws the intent must be in the words. When and individual speaks the circumstances and intention are all part of that communication.

Prior to Jimmy Carter, it was a matter of historical record that no past President would comment on the policies and actions of a sitting President. It was assumed that the weight of the job did not improve with any 2nd guessing by someone that hadn't handled the problem during their terms in office. Jimmy, being the classless wonder that he is, was and always will be, was saddled for all eternity with the title of Worst President In History. If he touched it, it failed. Even the actions leading to his Nobel Peace Prize resulted in the death of an Egyptian President, the formation of the progenitors of Al Qaida, and the expulsion of Menachem Begin from the Knesset.

Well, Jimmy couldn't keep his mouth shut. He had no problems bad mouthing Richard Nixon, or leading the opposition to most of Reagan's recommendations. He continued his vocal second guessing during GHWBushs's administraion. In his wake, Slick Willie Clinton had no problems publicly questioning G.W.Bush's actions and policies either. The precident had already been changed by Jimmy. You did  NOT however ever see Reagan blamming Jimmy Carter for the problems he inherited. Neither the same for GHWBush or GWBush.

Last night our Classless boy President once again showed his incredible lack of knowledge of American History and Tradition by publicly disagreeing with a recent ruling by the Supreme Court. They were there in a traditional show of respect for his office: The President of the United States. Traditionally, he would respect their office as well if not the men. Last night he showed how clueless he really is by disrespecting them to their face and implying that their actions were wrong.

I fully respect the Supreme Court to continue to uphold their respect for the office, and the traditions, in spite of his arrogance and ignorance. That they had to endure this, should be factored in by voters in all states who understand how the process is supposed to work.

100 It makes me wonder what kind of dirt McConnell has on the twits from Maine--photos of them in compromising positions with animals?

I don't think it takes dirt anymore. Whatever political advantage back home that could be gained by cooperating with Obama is long gone.

101

As for American Jews, I don't blame them. Everything in the Jewish experience teaches them that conservative populism is bad for them. McCain chose Sarah Palin, a conservative populist. QED.

We know that American conservatism is pro-Semitic; but your average Jew hasn't met enough conservatives to make that call. At most he's met some Polish union guy, a "Reagan Democrat", whom he remembers as having thrown rocks at Jews after shul when the two were younger.

I expect the Internet to change some opinions over time. So there's that.

102 DeVore brought up a point I share: it's great to hear Obama talk about nuclear energy and increased domestic oil production, but I don't believe one fucking word of it.


Did you see Pelosi roll her eyes when he mentioned off-shore drilling? She's not letting that through under her watch. Not that it means anything getting Obama on the record, but the GOP will have this to wave at him when they take the House back.

103 O-5bama has become the political version of Michael Jackson.  His latest crotch grab just doesn't have the same shock value it once did.  he's living off the royalties of his past performances and is slipping into his own NeverNeverWorld.

104

That was not a State of the Union address, it was a Hate of the Union address ...

105 As for American Jews, I don't blame them. Everything in the Jewish experience teaches them that conservative populism is bad for them. McCain chose Sarah Palin, a conservative populist. QED.

Posted by: Zimriel at January 28, 2010 02:06 PM (9Sbz+)

I blame liberal American Jews and think that they are playing with fire they are blissfully unaware of. The Indonesian imbecile's position on Israel, the absolute lunatics he surrounded himself with, every indication that he gave that he was going to go after Israel in a truly dangerous way ... American Jews who voted for him really f#cked up more than usual.

Luckily, the Jewish vote is essentially inconsequential, with the caveat that George Bush and the whole US have a tiny slice of confused Jewish voters in Florida to thank for his election in 2000.

106 The Office is nothing more than the person in it - usually a political hack, the top political hack of the country.

107 ..chimp like.  Fuck him.

108 "hard-left"

You're an idiot. Must explain why you're terrified of "KSM."

Well, actually the latter, you prove yourself to be a risible pussy.

109 Some in the DemSM are comparing Alito's mouthing of "not true" to Joe Wilson's shout of "you lie".  That Koolaid did permanent damage to many in the media

110 As for American Jews, I don't blame them. Everything in the Jewish experience teaches them that conservative populism is bad for them. McCain chose Sarah Palin, a conservative populist. QED.

Yet they shower love on muslims who are vocal in their hate for them and blacks who actively dislike them. They shrug it off as "I'm more afraid of Pat Buchanan than Louis Farrakhan".

Or as I put it, "better dead than unhip"

111  Poor knuckleheads. It's just 24/7 wingnut whinging. About anything. Whatever can be mapped onto Obama, it is.

112

I'm going to repeat myself from Russ's thread just because it sums up my mood:

"Is there a usurper upon the Throne?"

"Yes."

"Do you attempt to take your rightful place for the good of the Empire?"

"Yes."

"Will you keep Our Empire safe, hold Our people in your hands, protect them as you would your children, and ensure the continuity of Our line?"

"Yes."

"Then We give unto you Our sword. Bear it under God, to defend the right, to protect Our people from their enemies, to safeguard Our people's liberties, and to preserve Our House."

 

-excerpted from We Few, by John Ringo and David Weber.

I look at that Kenyan Marxist on TV, the Indonesian Idiot, and my subconscious just screams "outsider" and "usurper" at me.

I'm glad Ace is starting to feel the hate too. I know the King Ewok is more reasonable about such things than I am. I don't feel alone that way.

113  
 
Ace,

I beat you to the punch.

I hated this guy over a year ago.

I don't remember whether you were part of a group of commenters who thought I was going overboard by saying, "Obama is a fascist," as my memory on who said what then is a bit foggy.

There were those who couldn't get it out of their heads that fascism isn't necessarily an ultra-nationalist agenda, but instead is properly defined in economic terms as government directing private industry to take certain actions, without actually taking ownership over the private industry.

Obama is a fascist, and would tend toward outright communism if he thought he could get away with it.

And yes, he's smarmy and dishonest too. Our saving grace is he's ineffective.

114 Don't hold back Ace .....Tell us how you really feel about him

115 I'm Canadian, so maybe an American will be able to tell me: why were the Supreme Court justices all sitting there to personally receive Obama's insults?

The short answer is the SOTU address (like the Presidency in general) is an old, once much more spartan ceremony, which has gotten completely out of hand - now resembling the ceremonies of an imperial court. Now those there are expected to dip their heads to the King.

See http://tiny.cc/VAiVi for more.

116

Hate is not the word...despise is.  Hate is a passionate emotion - the flip side of love - whereas to despise is to be cold.

When you hate somebody you give yourself over to the passionate heat of your heart; when you despise something you give yourself over to the cold logic of the mind that allows you to have no more sympathy for the subject of your disdain than you would have for the rattlesnake you find in your yard or the roach in your kitchen.

I disdain this man.

117 and despise him too -- I have disdained him for quite some time, but despise is coming up fast on the outside and appears to be leading by a solid length now.

118 Monty,

It's really hard not to hate a guy who hates me, and I am 100% positive that Obama does.  He hates almost everyone in this country, even a fair amount of his supporters.  He hates presidents I loved and respected. He hates Republicans.  He hates the middle class.  He hates Christians and Jews.  He hates southerners and Midwesterners.  He hates people who don't have Ivy League degrees.

Now,  I know I am commanded by my faith not to hate, so I struggle with this every single day.  The best I can do is fear him, because I honestly think he's mentally disturbed, perhaps because of his upbringing,  perhaps because of his education,  or perhaps because of whatever caused that huge scar on the right side of his head that no one will ever talk about.

But I fear for my kids and grandkids.  No one is watching the walls while the barbarians are sharpening their knives.  Instead,  our leader has turned on his own people. I hope we make it to 2012.

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#121, Miss Marple, I assure you a few of the Legions are left on Rome's walls. Maybe not enough to stem the tide when it comes, but perhaps enough to sound an alarm that a second line of defense may be formed.

Now if we can just avoid the temptation to play kingmaker and auction off the crown as the Praetorians once did....

120 I think you overreach, Miss Marple.

I don't like Obama. Hell, I said I personally hate him on this thread, and did a year ago. I think he's a fascist and a terrible president. A liar, dangerous, etc.

But you're really stretching by saying Obama hates Christians, when he is one at least nominally, I'm not sure what proof you have he hates Jews, and I think your point about him "hating" people who don't have Ivy League degrees, not to mentioning southerners et al. is actually silly.

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123 -- Really?  He's a Christian?

He doesn't hate all the people Marple mentioned (and she left out some too, probably out of restraint)?

The man is a Gollum -- he hates everything, and perhaps most of all himself.

122 Christoph:

Those of us in the "bitter clingers group" (you know, those who cling to their FAITH and guns) are pretty sure he holds us in contempt.   His antipathy to Israel is evident in his foreign policy, in the way he has treated Netenyahu, and in the fact that he comes from the anti-semitic left. 

His contempt for those who aren't in his little in-crowd oozes from every pore. 

I have lived a long time,  probably a lot longer than you.  I know what is evident to those of us who have seen quite a few bad episodes in history.  You can call me silly if you wish;  old ladies are routinely dismissed as being airheads.

Of course,  this is why my namesake was such a successful detective.

I stand by my opinion,  silly though you may think it.

123 122 -- and we'd better hope the legions haven't had their belly full with us for allowing this mess.

124

123, Christoph, perhaps he doesn't hate Christians/Southerners or non Ivy Leaguers, but he certainly holds us in contempt. His choice of churches was the Black Muslims with a cross on the door from a theological standpoint. While claiming to rule on behalf of us little people, we've been robbed by the Geitners and Bernankes, with billions of dollars being shuffled away in payoffs, bailouts, and classic Chicago graft.

We're the plebian class to him, a mob that is supposed to shut up and be thankful for whatever crumbs we're given from the elites' table. His hundred dollar a pound Japanese steaks, his "date nights" with his Klingon/Wookie hybrid in Air Force One, the big houses and vacations, those are for the deserving. It's the same attitude that had the elite in the five-star hotels and limousines in Copenhagen bitching about OUR carbon footprint. The trans-national progressives see themselves as the deserving politically correct aristocracy of the whole fucking world. Obama is just an affirmative-action hire into their ranks.

125 #122

SGT Dan, it's grateful I am for those of you who stand watch.   It's the only thing some days that keeps me from heading for the hills with my family and my dog. 

It's just very difficult to watch the country being disassembled,  bit by bit,  while the people are encouraged to turn on each other, all while we are at war.

I haven't forgotten there is a war.  Thanks for serving!

126 I loved this line ...

Last night Barack Obama waterboarded the nation with another baroque flood of words.

127 I don't think Obama is a particularly "hard core" Christian.

He's Christian in a social sense because he had to be Christian (or possibly a member of another religious group) to have any possibility of accomplishing his life's goals.

And that is a tragedy.

Many people, particularly in the Bible belt, are Christians for this reason. Many more, of course, are Christians because they believe it.

Back on point, Obama went to Church with many people who are strongly believing Christians, albeit of a hard left-wing church. Do I think he "hated" these people?

No, I don't. I think Obama is a narcissist and could hardly be bothered to have much in the way of opinions on them.

And no, unknown jane, I don't think there's any evidence at all that Obama "hates" all the people Miss Marple mentioned. Your believing a thing does not make it reasonable.

He might hate his political opponents, but a lot of the people she mentioned are actually his allies and boosters. The people cheering in crowds for him. I'm sure he doesn't "hate" those.

128 "Christoph, perhaps he doesn't hate Christians/Southerners or non Ivy Leaguers, but he certainly holds us in contempt."

Since Obama is a narcissist, I think that is a more reasonable explanation. I'm still not completely convinced by it, but it is closer to the mark.

129 130 I don't think Obama is a particularly "hard core" Christian.

Posted by: Christoph at January 28, 2010 03:24 PM (0fq7b)

The Indonesian imbecile is a crypto-Christian. In reality, Trinity Church is closer to the Nation of Islam than Christianity. But, The Precedent's true religion is hating the US and the West. He fancies himself an avenging angel of the third world, come to wreak destruction on us for our humiliating his people (the third world) through our creativity, productivity and general advancement. He wants to cut us down to size.

130 #128, I've kept the ID just because I've been commenting here for a few years, I got out last April and began as a training contractor for the Army. Still part of the team, but on the sidelines. But on behalf of the kids still out there, you're all very welcome.

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130  He cares about his supporters, really?  Do you know anything of his days as a community organizer here and how those communities were served by him?

He does not love them; he uses them -- and that's not love.  It isn't even liking; it isn't even caring or concern. 

Although I will grant you that again, the appropriate word is not "hate", as hate takes some passion, of which he has none.  Disdain and despise, and perhaps unconcern at the least.  That I'll grant.

132

#132, progress, you nailed it. Who makes up most of the permanent bureaucracy at the UN? Third Worlders and their European liberal role models. As long as the US exists as anything more than a UN province, all their failures are highlighted. That is why the UN would stop at nothing to bring us to heel under their banner.

That is the ideological foundation of the Indonesian Idiot, the usurper upon our throne.

133 I more or less agree with your point, progressoverpeace, in the sense that "Nation of Islam" is a far-left wing religious/political movement, as much communist as Mohammedan.

But it's the last part of your post which I mostly agree with. This is one of the reasons why I believe he is, and always was, such a dangerous man.

I wasn't one of the last to see this, I was one of the first.

My point is only that criticising Obama for "hating" vast swaths of people, many of them his supporters, isn't particularly effective, and it's not effective because it's probably inaccurate.

Obama does clearly seem to hate the Capitalist system, America's wealth and prestige, etc., and these seem like troubling beliefs for an American Commander-in-Chief, no?

134

He forgot the most important part of the turtle metaphor,

 

"...heÂ’s a turtle on a post: you arenÂ’t sure how he got there, and heÂ’s not sure what heÂ’ll do about it."

I'll fill it in.

 

"It makes you wonder who the dumb SOB was that put him there."

 

Just needed to be said. 

135 "He cares about his supporters, really?"

Did I say that, unknown jane?

Even once?

I said he's a narcissist and he probably doesn't care about them much one way or the other. That accusing him of "hating" them is silly without some evidence that he does.

What is your evidence that he "hates" his supporters? You have none. It's a silly position to take, and politically useless even if you were right. (Which you're not.)

You're not going to convince Obama's supporters, or Independents, or swing-Republicans, that Obama actually hates his own supporters.

136

I liked your compare-and-contrast woth Obama and Bush. It's spot on, except for your conclusion. President Obama does so have a mandate to do everything he's doing.

Here's why: He's the president.

We don't elect presidents on the condition that they keep their campaign promises. Instead, we give them the keys to the executive branch and hope for the best.

Caveat emptor, voters. This is why backgrounds, associates, church memberships, previous jobs, complete military records, past successes and past failures all matter. I don't know what those 66 million people were thinking (actually I have an inkling) but I'll bet they won't do it again.

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138 -- Why is it such a "silly" thing? What evidence do you have to the contrary?

It would appear, by his actions (or lack thereof) througout his career as a public servant that the evidence points towards that very conclusion (again, I point to the communities he "organized" -- and I did grant that "hate" was perhaps not the appropriate word and offered up some reasonable alternatives).

I'm not saying it to sway or convince anyone -- it was merely an opinion.  Obviously one you are having a great deal of trouble with; I'm sorry that you are, but that does not make it any less my opinion.

138 139 -- I hope they won't do it again, but am realistic in my expectations of any change in their thinking!

139 unknown jane, I'm sorry to be persistent. We're on the same side here in that we both oppose Obama, strongly.

But forgive me for insisting on some standards in my intellectual thought process when I form opinions or judge those of others.

You make a strong claim, that Obama hates his own supporters. If true, that would be very damning against the man personally, so much so that Chris Mathews would probably be taken aback.

And I've asked you what evidence you have for this.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. AT ALL.

Q. Why is it such a "silly" thing? What evidence do you have to the contrary?

Non A. It would appear, by his actions (or lack thereof) througout his career as a public servant that the evidence points towards that very conclusion (again, I point to the communities he "organized" -- and I did grant that "hate" was perhaps not the appropriate word and offered up some reasonable alternatives).

How does your answer improve my, or anyone here's, understanding of how Obama hates his supporters?

What information did you give that would support your extraordinary conclusion?

Hey, maybe you're right. But if "throught his career" the evidence points to that "very conclusion" then shouldn't it be possible to, you know, name some?

Because otherwise, yes, quite reasonably I have "a great deal of trouble with" your opinion. You haven't given a single reason for it.

140 As far as, "What evidence do you have to the contrary?" goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

And if not extraordinary evidence, then at least some evidence.

It is an error in logic to think that a person is required to prove a negative. I can't prove Obama doesn't hate his supporters.

But then, most people don't hate their supporters. Not hating one's supporters is the default position!

If you are claiming the contrary, it is you who have the burden of proof.

141

Me too, unkown jane. The more I try to figure out their thinking, the more I realize how utterly different they are from us.

(Just as an example: People on our side have an underlying respect for other people based on the simple fact that they're people -- but they all hold contempt for everybody else. I swear, even if I agreed with thewm on everything, I could never be one of them.)

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142 -- Cristoph, I have given up as evidence the communities that he served as an organizer (I would remind you that I was not the one who first made the claim of his hatred, but merely seconded it -- if you want to start nitpicking rhetorical stylistics here, but I digress; I seconded the first remark and that's when you came in, so I'll stand by what I seconded).

If you look at the history of his service, first to the communities he organized (hah) in Chicago, then the people of IL, then the country -- there has been little to support the arguement that he has done nothing more than use the people he was sworn to serve in a most blatant and calculating manner.  There has been no service; there has been nothing more than cold hearted intent to pursue his own agendas (while at the same time pandering to and even inciting many of these same people, often against themselves or their own best interests).

Sadly, language can be such an inexact function of communication (and I did suggest in granting you that there were perhaps more precise words to use other than hate -- but again that is rhetorical nitpicking).  Still, the manner in which he has used, pandered to, sold out, decieved, manipulated, divided, and purposely confused people for his own benefit, people he has been sworn to serve and protect can perhaps best be described only by the term "hateful". 

As for evidence of this -- well, his entire political and academic career (hell, even his personal life as witnessed in his books) are the evidence and examples.  I'm really too damn lazy to start enumerating examples from an overwhelming body of evidence (and I suck with computers, so don't even ask for links).  I suppose the manner in which he treated his grandmother and spoke in certain segments about his father (and even his mother a bit) point quite readily to the amount of hatred that this individual feels -- which, if you draw parallels between his personal and professional life, would indicate a certain level of ...hatefulness. (but again, if you are intellectually miffed at my paltry language skills and imprecision, I'll grant once again that there are probably more exact words to use here...if you'd like).

As for being on the same side as you -- well, I don't know.  I'm not really on anybody's side (because nobody is really on my side).  I think this is a very dangerous and damaging person to have in such a position of power, and dearly pray he will not get to damage things more than is probably his want.  If you are of the same opinion on this matter then, goody, I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and anyone else of the same opinion.  But I would be lying (or dissembling, if you will) if I came to you with a pronouncement of complete, unending loyalty to you and your causes no matter what -- so grant me my opinions and please try to accept my honesty, even if those are distasteful to you.

143

...and by the way, I'm not here to sway your opinoin or anything of the like; don't even come here to seek approbation.

If I wanted to sway or seek favor I'd first go someplace where there were people who didn't think like me to sway, then I'd use a much difference rhetorical approach -- and as for approval here, well, I certainly wouldn't have outed myself a long time ago as a proclaimed classic liberal, independent, moderate voter.  I would have fashioned myself as something more pleasing (I also wouldn't have said I was a washed up middle aged hausfrau and failed two bit humanities instructor -- talk about not pleasing to the general readership here! no?)

144 Obama didn't lie before the election, at least not much more than your average politician.  America didn't vote for Obama, they voted for a president with "light skin and no Negro dialect if he doesn't want one".  He has a mandate for that.

145

Unknown Jane: What you and I said (#144 and #145) kind of say the same thing, which contradicts a wonderful comment in another thread that I also agree with. "He's not of us" was the thrust, and I agree: he's from a sheltered caste of society that can neither understand nor represent us.

That said, he is of another part of society, the part which holds everyone else in low regard. Call it hate, call it contempt; whatever. The country, sadly, is full of those people. They control, manipulate, condescend, insult, pout and throw temper tantrums. There's no sense of community in the true sense -- no love or brotherhood, only relationships built on expressions of hostility.

President Obama is truly of them, and to the extent that he dismisses his supporters because he knows better than them, he's representing them very well. He also plays the role of overbearing father while blaming every woe on his father, making him a fitting head of state for too much our society. I'd pity them all (Obama included) had they not chosen to be the way they are.

146 I pity those people who are not in a position of such power as to cause misery to everyone else with their issues; I don't pity him because he has that power.

147

By the way:

washed up middle aged hausfrau

I'm guessing from your choice of words that you make a mean jager schnitzel ...

failed two bit humanities instructor

... and I'm thinking that a failed humanities instructor is actually better in many ways than a successful humanities instructor.

(FWIW.)

148 And there goes Olbermann somehow trying to say that Alito's silent head-shake is worse than an outburst. Way to go champ!

149 The fact is a majority of voters fell for his flowery speech and elected him. He is counting for a repetition of that success. Sadly it will be a close call because the majority are easily led astray.

At the end of the movie "Downfall" when death reigned supreme in Berlin  Goebbels says that the German people are now getting there little throats cuts. Yet incredibly they elected us (the Nazi).

The America voter will have to show some real backbone and NOW,  or sadly suffer some very real punishment for their wishful thinking.