September 02, 2010
— Ace She didn't make the charge; a firm employed by her did. She's not commenting.
A conservative firm until recently employed by the Delaware primary campaign of conservative Christine O'Donnell against Rep. Mike Castle casually leveled an extraordinary — and unsupported — charge of a gay affair against Castle in a video posted to its website today, the ugliest salvo yet in an extremely bitter primary.
Walker said he had no compunction about repeating the rumor about Castle because "he's a threat to American sovereignty."He didn't offer any evidence for the claim.
She cannot win in Delaware, which is usually among the ten most Democratic states in the union. Allow me to be a little elistist -- what in this odd biography says "serious candidate for Senator"?
I was already predisposed to endorsing Castle, feeling this was a bridge too far (or a RINO too far), and then I recalled who Christine O'Donnell was -- she's a fill-in guest on Hannity and other talk shows. She has always grated on me, because she always seems pretty unprepared (or just not really a strong thinker), and tends to just repeat the same three or four obvious bullet-points.
If I have turned the channel off almost every time she's been on, I do not see how she is going to wear well in Democrat-stronghold Delaware.
When we were trying to get Scott Brown elected, some objected that he was a RINO. I said at the time: This is a gift from God. It is unseemly to look down one's nose at a gift from God and ask, "Couldn't you have gotten something better?"
I do not know why it is that Mike Castle is running 12 points or so ahead of his Democratic rival. It could be partly due to his despised RINOism, of course. And it's also due to personal characteristics which he alone possesses and cannot be transferred to O'Donnell -- like, as the state's only at-large Representative (the state has only one Rep.), he knows everyone in the state, has campaigned statewide nine times before. For whatever reason, the voters trust him, seem to like him. (Well, "like" as much as one can like a politician.)
For whatever reason, they've decided he's okay by them. And preferable to a Democrat. And so he polls 10-12 points ahead.
Meanwhile the latest Rasmussen poll puts O'Donnell ten points behind Coons.
And on that point, I ask, where is the plausible pathway to candidate growth? What is the realistic plan for getting O'Donnell up from ten points down to at least even?
Here's the trouble:
1. Ideologically, she is strident and hardcore. This means she's out of sync with Delaware. In 2008, Joe Biden trounced her (no one really wanted to run against him, except O'Donnell) 65%-35%, his largest margin of victory ever... and voters also sort of knew he wasn't even going to be Senator, he was going to be Vice President.
2. Often a compelling biography can make up for some mismatch here (like, Joe Miller's West Point, Bronze Star Desert Storm, Yale Law super-bio), but O'Donnell's is not only not strong, it's noticeably weak. I look at her bio and I sort of see my own. She might as well just say "Sketchy Blogger/Drifter" at the top of the page.
3. A new candidate can often be expected to grow into a good speaker and media-player as she learns the craft, just as a rookie quarterback can grow into the roll. But to the extent Christine O'Donnell has a job at all, it's speaking on FoxNews and CNN when they need someone last-minute. So she does in fact have experience, much more experience than your average neophyte politician. And I'm sorry to say, five or six years at this and she's simply bad at that job, and I cannot for the life of me imagine how she suddenly gets better when we need her to be better.
So where is the plausible pathway for growth? I don't see it. There are three critical areas for candidate success, and she is a... I hate picking on an underdog, and she's a nice lady and all that, but in all three areas she fails. Rather badly.
Now I'm not in love with Mike Castle. He supported cap and tax in the last go-round. That is one my Rubicons... almost my abortion issue, or my 2nd Amendment issue, if you know what I mean. One of my Big Ones. One of the things that get me going emotionally.
I'm not going to tell you he's not a RINO. He is. Straight-up, no chaser. He's a RINO.
But I also know that if he's elected, he votes for a Republican for control of the Senate. (A silly rumor undoubtedly peddled by O'Donnell's supporters notwithstanding.)
That is to say: We cannot win full control of the Senate without a Republican in this seat. This seat has long been one of the seats we were just assuming we would win. Because Castle has been comfortably out front for a long, long time.
This is not some longshot pick-up where it really makes little difference because we have no realistic chance anyway, so might as well swing for the fences. We have been counting this as an easy pick-up. When you read "Republicans will pick up at least 7 seats" this is number two or three on that list, after the gimme Arkansas pick-up.
And we're going to toss this away? For what?
She can't win. Period. So it has to be kept in mind, in doing political calculations: When you vote for her, you are not just voting for someone with a slightly smaller chance of prevailing in the general election. You are voting against someone with a 90% chance of winning in favor of someone with a 0% chance of winning.
Okay, maybe not zero; one can never say zero. Fine. 1%.
The vote for her would not be strategic, or aimed at a plausible victory scenario. It would be pure RINO-punishing (and cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face). If RINO-punishing is the only thing that matters -- and I stress: Castle is a RINO, and I sure the hell can't claim he doesn't deserve to be punished -- then vote for her.
If something more tangible than protest and punishment is sought, vote for the guy who's way out ahead of the Democrat. RINO or not. (And just to be clear-- RINO.)
Mike Castle will vote against us on 30% of stuff. You will not like him. I will not like him.
But I will like him better than the Democrat Coons, voting against us on 88% of stuff. And yeah, in a blue state, with a strong Democratic majority, he can afford to be one of the solid liberal votes for Obama's socialist agenda. Because he is not going to have to worry about losing his seat for voting too liberal.
The pathway to success is to change Blue to Purple, and Purple to Red, and Red to Even Redder. We are doing that. We are trading in RINO Murkowski for a Senator more in sync with a true red state.
But as we trade in, we can't move by more than one color. We can get a purple guy elected to a blue state, a red guy (like Angle) elected to a purple state, and a hooker's-lipstick-red guy elected to a red state.
We cannot get a super-red person elected to a blue state. Period. The anti-Obama factor gives everyone about an 8% bump. Add that to Christine O'Donnell's 35% (from last time) and she gets to 43%.
That's what we call a loss.
Strategically, we go easy on this one, we bank the sure thing and call it progress, because it is progress. If we gamble, we lose. It's not even a gamble. It's just tossing a stack of chips back to the house for no reason.
Uggh: This may be excusable. I know I wouldn't excuse it if she were a Democrat.
I won't lie and say this would be a huge campaign issue. It wouldn't be. But combine this with the "That's the rumor" thuggishness and it begins to paint a rather shabby picture.
So: Bio is out. Ideology is out. Media savvy is out.
Character is.... well, questionable.
What exactly will we be running on, I'd like to know.
That thanks to Gabe.
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Posted by: Bill Bob Jim at September 02, 2010 07:08 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: Flounder at September 02, 2010 07:09 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Dave C at September 02, 2010 07:09 AM (uTXUH)
(I'm not saying this in support of O'Donnell, I just think that propping up any warm body with an (R) is not a workable long-term strategy).
Posted by: Ian S. at September 02, 2010 07:10 AM (tDPey)
You are being insufficiently pure. You must adhere to all of the bedrock conservative principles, and hold all of those you support to all of those principles. How else can you remain on the outside, looking in on those who wield the power, and criticize them?
Someone should ban Ace.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (formerly NJConservative) at September 02, 2010 07:10 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Will Folks at September 02, 2010 07:10 AM (MMC8r)
Sounds like she is trying to expand her credibility or noteriety by running for Senate in order to get more traction in the talk circuits, maybe.
If it's as you say, and I'm sure it is, sounds like a no brainer. We can afford to throw out RINO's in primaries when we have a strong majority. Doing so when we have a near minority is silly.
Posted by: Randy at September 02, 2010 07:12 AM (zQKSr)
Posted by: Randy at September 02, 2010 11:12 AM (zQKSr)
Assuming the more conservative candidate would lose, I mean. If either has a shot, go for the conservative, especially this year. It's a judgement call, not an absolute rule.
Posted by: Randy at September 02, 2010 07:15 AM (zQKSr)
We got a real dildo Republican up here in MA smearing another Republican for the primary.
Joe Malone, former treasurer, has been doing a Will Folks-type character assassination of Jeff Perry: "I hate to do this...but...I heard...and people need to know...but it's not coming from me..."
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:15 AM (uFokq)
A perfect fill-in for Hannity, IOW.
Posted by: Groaty Dick at September 02, 2010 07:15 AM (gzjhZ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 02, 2010 07:15 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 07:16 AM (fO5xj)
We need to automatically shun & oust any Republican who engages in character assassination of another Republican. I hate it. I hate seeing these selfish cocksucking Republican hacks handing ammo to the Democrats.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:17 AM (uFokq)
The only thing that bothered me in this piece was the implication that you would not turn the channel if Hannity was the host.
My heart is troubled.
Other than that I agree. I don't understand how some people think it's possible to elect Righty McConservative in a blue state. Of course these are the same morons who think they might have sex with an actual woman some day if they just want it enough so there's that.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 02, 2010 07:18 AM (VW9/y)
1. Where do I apply for my free subscription?
2. If we are to go this way, cancel the damn primary and spend the resources on keeping the Hiouse seat that Castle is vacating. As it stands now, the Delaware Republican party is doing what it often has done; ceding the seat, playing musical chairs with the Dems.
3. Castle has name recognition (lt. governor under Pete DuPont, then two terms as governor. With no media outlets except he Nes Journal (combine Gannett chain with provincial outlet; allow ingredients to rot in sun for several days. Serve with coupons). He has the backing of the party, hence access to money.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:19 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo
So we should dump Castle because of the ads he's running on this site?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:20 AM (R2fpr)
Yeah, tell me about it.
Posted by: Dino Rossi at September 02, 2010 07:20 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: ingenus at September 02, 2010 07:21 AM (+sBB4)
Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:21 AM (p302b)
Unless the fucker diddles little boys i'll take him in DE
Posted by: lurker at September 02, 2010 07:21 AM (zyaZ1)
Couldn't agree with you more here, Ace. You haven't even mentioned the absolute mess her finances are in, or the fact that she has misappropriated campaign dollars for personal use while stiffing her consultants.
Castle's a mess, he's terrible, and he's the best we can do. Hold your nose and let him win.
Posted by: Lou at September 02, 2010 07:21 AM (IH3P2)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 02, 2010 07:22 AM (9wR2s)
There's probably only half a dozen seats for which one can justify supporting a cap-and-taxer, but this is one of 'em.
Stepping on the occasional RINO dropping is better than having the donkey pissing on you 24/7/365.
Posted by: JEM at September 02, 2010 07:22 AM (o+SC1)
Waitafrigginminute.
A good politician can be an ardent conservative on all issues and win anywhere. If you know how to articulate your views and opinions, you can be successful anywhere.
What she did has nothing at all with being too socially conservative. What she did is nothing more than dirty politics.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:22 AM (uFokq)
Plus, this is not some bright red state where we could dump a RINO (such as AK or UT) or run a conservative in a primary who had a decent shot of winning the general over a hand picked (by the RNC) RINO (see FL or the TX Governor race of KBH).
Also, so long as the NRSC stays as far away as possible, I may have to silently assent to this one and save my energy for getting non RINOs nominated in states where would have a decent chance of winning.
Posted by: eddiebear at September 02, 2010 07:22 AM (v1cQf)
Is it smart to elect a man who is likely to chuck away that advantage and soon? It would be better to get someone younger in that seat. I would liken it to Obama appointing Kagan. At any other time she doesn't get in but Obama knew things were going his way and went with it. The Rs should do the same. We can trust a little bit to luck here if it means a big payoff.
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 07:23 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: ingenus at September 02, 2010 07:24 AM (+sBB4)
Castle's a mess, he's terrible, and he's the best we can do. Hold your nose and let him win.
Posted by: Lou
You say that as if we have a choice. The state party won't allow any other result. They trashed Janet Reznicki when she dared run against Castle in a primary for the House seat years ago. They supported him openly, tried to get her to drop, and then shunned her after that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:24 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 02, 2010 07:24 AM (Qkkd8)
Another example: Sharron Angle.
Angle pandered to the pro-life crowd, which makes her an idiot; it does not make her too conservative. Angle didn't have to pander to the base on a single issue; she already has their vote.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:25 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 02, 2010 07:25 AM (9Cooa)
My main point- As long as he isn't diddling kids an R from DE is pimp shit.
Posted by: lurker at September 02, 2010 07:26 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: ingenus at September 02, 2010 11:24 AM (+sBB4)
They get two senators just like Texas. or was that snark?
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 02, 2010 07:26 AM (Qkkd8)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 07:26 AM (QbA6l)
Any philosophy has to be flexible. O'Donnell is terrible. And John Carney will whip her ass.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 02, 2010 07:26 AM (9wR2s)
I'd lol, but in the current climate, there's a greater-than-even chance some activist group attacks Castle in the general for using his opponent's name in an ad.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 02, 2010 07:27 AM (yhlnw)
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dQKdFoFMa4&feature=player_embedded
And i hate Castle. I had just started to think I would vote against him and take my chances with a loss. In defense (slim) of the ugly rumor- the game has gone ugly against Christine for about a month now. Guess she thought it was pay back time.
Posted by: kidney at September 02, 2010 07:27 AM (ENRGu)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 02, 2010 07:27 AM (1Jaio)
If a carbon copy of Ronald Reagan were running today in the GOP primary in DE some of you would be biting your nails saying DE is too blue, this Reagan guy is too conservative for DE.
It's the candidate, not the values.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:28 AM (uFokq)
Only if "anywhere" excludes places like San Francisco, Berkeley, Boulder CO, Eugene OR, etc.
Posted by: Sugar Ray Bradbury at September 02, 2010 07:29 AM (gzjhZ)
Another example: Sharron Angle.
Angle pandered to the pro-life crowd, which makes her an idiot; it does not make her too conservative. Angle didn't have to pander to the base on a single issue; she already has their vote.
Heretic!
Posted by: Snowhick Worshipper at September 02, 2010 07:29 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 07:29 AM (QbA6l)
*giggle* That's the rumor . . .
sooooooooo disgusting. If only for that, O'Donnell deserves to lose.
Posted by: hobgoblin at September 02, 2010 07:29 AM (qpjtv)
Posted by: lurker at September 02, 2010 07:29 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 02, 2010 07:30 AM (9Cooa)
Posted by: Windsor at September 02, 2010 07:30 AM (X/8xI)
Posted by: doom_n_gloom at September 02, 2010 07:30 AM (J939Q)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 07:30 AM (QbA6l)
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 11:22 AM (uFokq)
First of all, she's not a good politician.
Second of all, what you wrote is the conservative equivalent of skittles and rainbows for everyone. There are actually places where there are a lot of liberals and they shockingly want to be represented by....liberals.
If that's going to be the case (a liberal will have the seat), we might as well get something out of it.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2010 07:30 AM (ycZcD)
Posted by: doom_n_gloom at September 02, 2010 11:30 AM (J939Q)
The real issue is to get the right candidates on the ballot. Starting from House level using the precinct captain system.
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 02, 2010 07:31 AM (Qkkd8)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth
John Carney is running for the House seat. And he'll get it. Because the state party here has the same attitude as Ace and more; it's a Dem state, and don't seriously contest the Dems.What we see here is a bizarre exercise straight from summer camp. Everybody wins something, no one is challenged hard, and nobody questions their betters.
But John Carney cannot and will not 'whip anything'. He has no talent and no accomplishements to his name, and he's a liar. But he's a Dem, he has a pulse, he has name recognition, and the Republican party will not seriously contest him.
O'Donnell is running for the Senate.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:31 AM (R2fpr)
Yeah, and the candidate sucks. O'Donnell is a gadfly and a broke commentator who runs for money and publicity. Ace has her pegged. She can't win.
Posted by: Lou at September 02, 2010 07:32 AM (IH3P2)
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 07:32 AM (Q1lie)
Universal suffrage is a pain in the ass. If you're voting for someone based on their dental work (or their pec implants) instead of their ideas, you have no business being allowed to vote.
Get off my lawn!
Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:32 AM (yhlnw)
Yeah, and the candidate sucks. O'Donnell is a gadfly and a broke commentator who runs for money and publicity. Ace has her pegged. She can't win.
Posted by: Lou at September 02, 2010 11:32 AM (IH3P2)
Thanks for the blow-job, time for the reach-around
Posted by: Sockpuppet Ace at September 02, 2010 07:33 AM (Qkkd8)
You seem quite animated here. You're last name isn't Folks is it?
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 07:34 AM (Q1lie)
If they even have an election in Delaware...after this hurricane season, it'll fold into New Jersey like a man's scrotum in winter.
So long as I can still incoporate my hot pants distributorship there, I won't care who represents it in Congress.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 02, 2010 07:35 AM (3iMgs)
And yes, I have said many times, there is a downside to having a Republican RINO or DIABLO even if it somehow gives you "control" which I don't think we are going to get even with this State. These people sit on important committees as well and they enable Dems to get stuff out by stabbing the Repubs in the back.
As for charges of a gay affair with no evidence he should seek legal counsel because that, in a race for office, should be considered actionable. I think it meets the "malice" test.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 07:35 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 07:35 AM (QbA6l)
If they even have an election in Delaware...after this hurricane season, it'll fold into New Jersey like a man's scrotum in winter.
So long as I can still incoporate my hot pants distributorship there, I won't care who represents it in Congress.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
No. No you can't. We'll be busy re-inflating the State scrotum.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:36 AM (R2fpr)
That's what Rush kept saying about Sharpton. Instead of 'Al Sharpton, Race Hustler' or 'Al Sharpton, Riot Instigator' after 2008 it could say, 'Al Sharpton, former candidate for Democrat presidential primary'
Posted by: DSkinner at September 02, 2010 07:37 AM (rnINQ)
Posted by: WillOTP at September 02, 2010 07:37 AM (+Uv5V)
1) I'm not making the case for O'Donnell.
2) Ace: " No, honestly, he can't." I disagree. See my comment about Reagan. My point is a good candidate who adheres to all conservative values can win anywhere. See: Scott Brown.
Barack Hussein Obama won big in 2008. Anything is possible. Obama was a great candidate. He somehow articulated all his radical leftwing views in a way that made him seem reasonable and moderate. He won NC and IN, for pete's sake!
Of course the difference between Reagan and Obama is Reagan wasn't fooling the electorate into voting for him; Reagan was sincere. Reagan can win in DE in 2010...if he was alive...and young.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:37 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Mjdzfun at September 02, 2010 07:37 AM (DM6DH)
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 11:34 AM (Q1lie)
Not hardly, though you'll recall that the last guy named "Folks" was also peddling slanderous and unsupported charges.
My only hang-up is that some folks have bought into O'Donnell's nonsense and are using her as a cudgel against Castle, and we're all going to lose in the end. Nothing more to it than that.
Posted by: Lou at September 02, 2010 07:38 AM (IH3P2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 02, 2010 07:38 AM (9Cooa)
Posted by: Wodeshed at September 02, 2010 11:33 AM (MFbfZ)
Yea, Sean's simplistic but in order to get through to people, you have to keep the message simple. What did Reagan say? - "Simple answers, hard to implement"
That being said, I like to listen to Steve Malzberg in NYC. He has much better guests - like the mustache - John Bolton.
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 02, 2010 07:38 AM (Qkkd8)
It's a judgment call, not an absolute rule.
That's the problem. Too many of the purity-minded just want to apply a simple algorithm. X is more conservative than Y. Support X.
Life is messier than that. The GOP hierarchy is probably reasonably conservative, but their judgment has been poor lately. Since they are paid to provide good judgment, people get angry. All of the sturm und drang on this site about RINOs vs purity Repubs boils down to this problem. If we get leaders who can read the zeitgeist and even get just a bit ahead of it, we'll do well. As it is, the current "leaders" can't even read the past.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2010 07:38 AM (YXmuI)
What's she going to run on? Pluck? She can't run on pluck and moxie the whole campaign.
Pluck has electrolytes.
Posted by: gator at September 02, 2010 07:39 AM (aOKEC)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 11:35 AM (QbA6l)
Okay so you can't support her for Senate. But could you at least try to get Gutfield to have her on Red Eye and ask her dirty questions?
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 07:40 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 02, 2010 07:40 AM (554T5)
No, understanding what is possible is what got us in this mess.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2010 07:40 AM (YXmuI)
It's a judgment call, not an absolute rule.
That's the problem. Too many of the purity-minded just want to apply a simple algorithm. X is more conservative than Y. Support X.
Life is messier than that. The GOP hierarchy is probably reasonably conservative, but their judgment has been poor lately. Since they are paid to provide good judgment, people get angry. All of the sturm und drang on this site about RINOs vs purity Repubs boils down to this problem. If we get leaders who can read the zeitgeist and even get just a bit ahead of it, we'll do well. As it is, the current "leaders" can't even read the past.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2010 11:38 AM (YXmuI)
In the primaries, stay classy and fight hard. After it's over, shake hands and go kick the Dems ass.
Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at September 02, 2010 07:41 AM (Qkkd8)
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at September 02, 2010 07:41 AM (f9c2L)
And yes, I have said many times, there is a downside to having a Republican RINO or DIABLO even if it somehow gives you "control" which I don't think we are going to get even with this State. These people sit on important committees as well and they enable Dems to get stuff out by stabbing the Repubs in the back.
Posted by: Vic
The worst part in my opinion, is that I'm helping perpetuate this.
I've been getting a crap load of polling calls, including one that zeroed in on this race. It asked who I'd support in the primary, and then in the general. And I dutifully said that I'd support Castle in the general. He and the party probably know that they can treat her like any other outsider and flatten her, in the knowledge that they will not suffer a cost.
P.S. he refused twice opportunities to run against Delaware's own' Joe Biden, including one time where Biden was vulnerable.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:41 AM (R2fpr)
Or, quite simply, f**k Erick Erickson for peddling stupid shit that someone else was paid to make up.
Posted by: Mippilis at September 02, 2010 07:42 AM (VWhPF)
66 Wow. You still don't get it.
This chick might be fine in 20 years. She needs seasoning, alot of seasoning and a sandwich.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 07:42 AM (/HFKu)
I like Scott Brown. I voted for him and I think he's a great guy. But he's not a conservative. What he is, though, is infinitely better than Ted Kennedy or Martha "Attack Craigslist"Coakley.
But, because of his win, there's a whole crop of good republican candidates running in MA now. Some of them are really good and -dare I say it- could perform some upsets nobody sees coming.
Not yet, but maybe at some future date, full-fledged conservatives may be able to run in MA and compete.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 02, 2010 07:42 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 11:35 AM (QbA6l)
She's not a serious candidate. Anyone who can read a newspaper from '08 or any of her press releases can tell that. You don't really need to hold back. Think of the other bloggers who have bought into her nonsense in the service of teaching Castle a lesson. You know all those baseless accusations about Sarah Palin and policy and gravitas and all that garbage? Observation of her '08 campaign shows that O'Donnell is actually those things.
I know that it's not appropriate to attack fellow conservatives like this, but she isn't one of them. She's a con artist. I truly believe that.
Posted by: Lou at September 02, 2010 07:44 AM (IH3P2)
You support the most conservative candidate in a primary that has a chance at winning the general.
Places like in UT and AK, we had RINOs in seats that should have been blood-red.
Places like here, and IL, you support the most conservative candidate who has a shot in hell at pulling out a general victory. Then you hope the caucus elects a fucking arm-twisting, knee-capping leader who will eat the guy's children if he votes the wrong way on major initiatives.
Polynikes, if you think this is inconsistency, well, you're a fucking idiot. And this is precisely the type of puritan bull shit we all went off on the other day.
Posted by: ATaLien at September 02, 2010 07:44 AM (SkRi5)
Is there any other kind?
Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Do you really want to get an answer to that question?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:45 AM (R2fpr)
True, Scott Brown is not a staunch conservative. But he was painted as one by the Democrats up here in MA. My mistake; I was using Scott as an example of a not-so-liberal Republican who can win in a very liberal state.
Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo...zoo...zoo...zoo at September 02, 2010 07:46 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: motionview at September 02, 2010 07:46 AM (zRbkQ)
anyone who wears a gold lame dress should be shot
http://www.signature-auction.com /charity_ball_gala_event.asp
Posted by: hobgoblin at September 02, 2010 07:47 AM (qpjtv)
With Hannity? I bet that's a scintillating conversation.
Posted by: Barry F'in Obama at September 02, 2010 07:47 AM (oAZ1S)
Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:50 AM (yhlnw)
Ace,
If Castle is gone, we win, even if the Dem wins in Nov. The anti-incumbency fever spreading across this country is not just because of Dems. It's guys like Castle, especially, that hurts all Repubs. Let's get rid of him and his ilk and then at least the Dems will bear the brunt of voter animus in the future, if per chance O'Donnell beats him and loses in the General Election....we can't lose!
Posted by: tomshup at September 02, 2010 07:50 AM (rns8t)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 02, 2010 07:50 AM (+gX1+)
Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 11:50 A
I know I'm from Delaware, but even I'm not stupid enough to click on that link.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:51 AM (R2fpr)
I don't understand what's so hard for people to understand about that. It's like pi. It just is.
Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:53 AM (yhlnw)
Posted by: bigred at September 02, 2010 07:54 AM (cX9pO)
Posted by: CAC at September 02, 2010 07:55 AM (lV4Fs)
I'm glad they didn't take that attitude during the war. "Sure, Hitler is bad, but I don't like Uncle Joe all that much, so we'll let him take Russia and then we'll deal with him."
Some bad things are really bad and irreversible. Time is a luxury we don't have.
@120 Why don't you both just deflate your chests a bit.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2010 07:56 AM (YXmuI)
And . . . TTIWWOP.
I think Ace's analysis of O'Donnell's political viability misses the point that she keeps running for super-duper high office (U.S. Senator) without making her, em, "bones" by getting elected in a bid for a more modest office and working her way up through the party and learning that way. In her defense, I don't think there is much of a Republican party structure in Delaware considering party affiliation and the fact that most public office holders in Delaware - even if Democrats - have a more lax attitude towards business and regulation than is typical of national Democrats, thus siphoning off financial support that would otherwise inure to the benefit of Republicans.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 02, 2010 07:56 AM (r1OG3)
Quite frankly, I'd rather have have a democrat win that race. That way, the Republican party, and by association Conservatives and Libertarians, can't be blamed for his screwups.
It is people like McCain, Kirk, Snowe, and Graham who screwed up so badly that they put us into this position where we now have a bunch of hardcore statists doing their best to ruin this country in the shortest time possible.
No, they AREN'T better than Democrats because they act just like them and destroy Conservatism in the process.
Posted by: blindside at September 02, 2010 07:56 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: kidney at September 02, 2010 07:57 AM (ENRGu)
Polynikes, if you think this is inconsistency, well, you're a fucking idiot. And this is precisely the type of puritan bull shit we all went off on the other day.
Posted by: ATaLien at September 02, 2010 11:44 AM (SkRi5
First I'm anything but a puritan. Second , my support is dependent on who I agree with , not who has the better chance to win as underdogs win a lot of the time. Third, fuck off.
Posted by: polynikes
yes, we have tried to discuss what matters to us as voters. And again, we are told that some social issues are "puritanical bullshit". Presumably fiscal issues are not. Except that Castle voted for Cap and trade. He also has an 'F' rating from the NRA. And as a Senator, he would be one of those confirming a Supreme Court nominee, who decide more than "puritanical bullshit" issues.
Finally, remember how we got Obamacare. The Maine sisters and Specter enabled that. You know, the ones that "we were lucky to get, given where they're from and the circumstances that we grown-ups know all about".
Looking ahead two years from now, will we revisit this, when cap and trade is the law of the land because Castle was building his eco-cred legacy, like former Gov. Peterson did here? I doubt it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 07:58 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: kidney
Thanks, I'll check it after work. it's a moot point, since Castle will win, and the party won't forgive her running against him. She's done here, and that' may be the reason that they ran the stupid ad.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:00 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:00 AM (QbA6l)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:02 AM (QbA6l)
Posted by: kidney at September 02, 2010 08:02 AM (ENRGu)
http://tinyurl.com/ydqcb2w
Ace, I think he may only vote with the R's 30% of the time. He may even change parties.
Posted by: Hedgehog at September 02, 2010 08:04 AM (oQIfB)
Does anyone here fucking realize that all the RINO votes you are complaining about came with a Dem majority?
Posted by: ATaLien at September 02, 2010 08:05 AM (SkRi5)
Posted by: kidney at September 02, 2010 08:05 AM (ENRGu)
Posted by: CAC at September 02, 2010 08:05 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Caiwyn at September 02, 2010 08:06 AM (ttktr)
Posted by: Rob in Katy at September 02, 2010 08:06 AM (gdGJ1)
Looking ahead two years from now, will we revisit this, when cap and trade is the law of the land because Castle was building his eco-cred legacy, like former Gov. Peterson did here? I doubt it.
Me too. Because Cap and Trade is not going to be the law of the land. Ironically, the reason is because of Democrats from coal producing states.
I'm not sure I understand the logic of saying the guy isn't right on all the issues so lets elect a Democrat who is wrong on all the issues and won't help us get a majority. A senate seat once won is more times than not a lifetime appointment or at least good for 2 or 3 terms. Is it easier to take a Republican who wavers on certain issues and pull him into the fold when the trend is going to the right or flip a Democrat on all issues?
And seriously, O'Donnell is against pre-marital sex. I can't get behind a woman who thinks like this.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 02, 2010 08:06 AM (VW9/y)
Posted by: section9 at September 02, 2010 08:10 AM (H6lGz)
Posted by: section9 at September 02, 2010 08:11 AM (H6lGz)
Give it up ace.
You can throw a rock at a vegetable all you want, the most you will do is bruise it. And then it's not much use anyway.
If you can't grasp the concept that 59 DEMOCRATS betrayed us before the Rinos, you can't grasp thinks like A, B, C or 2+2.
Posted by: CAC
I got it. I already said several times that I'm going to vote for the jerk. And we get to watch another outsider dumped by the state party. Try researching Janet Reznicki. She didn't have financial questions (she was State Treasurer and a good one,; Delaware improved its bond rating under her, she had good name recognition, and best of all, she loved abortion. And the state party here still dumped her? Why? She dared oppose Castle, their pre-ordained pick. Primaries here are a joke (think the NY process for NY-23).
We're going to have Castle. I. Got. It.
Now can we get a post to try and save the House seat that Castle is walking away from?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:13 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: CAC at September 02, 2010 08:14 AM (lV4Fs)
Your double entendre aside.....it would alleviate the strain on the welfare state.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 08:14 AM (/HFKu)
Posted by: motionview at September 02, 2010 08:14 AM (zRbkQ)
Posted by: lawdvd at September 02, 2010 08:16 AM (UpdGw)
Posted by: Hedgehog at September 02, 2010 08:17 AM (oQIfB)
Posted by: RedneknSC at September 02, 2010 08:17 AM (6cEN2)
Posted by: ford sells volts at September 02, 2010 08:19 AM (Ki7fm)
Castle's a good, intelligent Rep. He's respected at home and in DC. Yeah, I realize that's kind of a back-handed compliment, but he's the best we're gonna get, by far. Good Lord, we're talking about Delaware here.
Castle for Senate.
Posted by: Bob Foster at September 02, 2010 08:19 AM (xh3gA)
Now there, theres something I have to work with.
Who do we have on the bench for the House seat?
Posted by: CAC
Did you bother to read any of my earlier posts? There is no bench. We have the widow of a businessman/real estate developer (John Rollins) ruinning against a businessman. She may be self financing. The party is doing nothing. The state party is doing what it has done before. They are ceding the race to the conventional wisdom that a placeholder named John Carney is a juggernaut that can't be stopped. We don't often have elections here; we have candidates versus sacrifical lamds/ idealists.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:19 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Warren at September 02, 2010 08:19 AM (bI3xQ)
2009 - 56, 2008 - 28, 2007 - 20, 2006 - 52
He votes with the Dems more than the Repubs. In short he is a DIABLO. He is likely to change parties if supported.
We are better off not supporting either one of these candidates.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 08:19 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: ford sells volts at September 02, 2010 08:20 AM (Ki7fm)
If the conservative did not win the primary then you have to VOTE FOR THE RINO.
THERE IS NO "SITTING IT OUT' THIS TIME.
If you are truely stupid enough to let the dem win because you stayed home, then just go ahead and register and vote dem, you will be more comfortable there with the other idiots.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 08:20 AM (/HFKu)
Posted by: YRM On iPod Touch at September 02, 2010 08:21 AM (4NbXN)
You have to listen to it. It's hilarious. She's a compulsive liar and a terrible debater.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2010 08:22 AM (NjYDy)
On the flip side, yes, we can elect a RINO. But keep in mind what the other three letters that aren't R mean, and that, well, the accomplishment may well be meaningless, unless you just want to give the Maine sisters a Delaware brother.
Victory begins with the electorate. If you don't have that foundation, the rest won't mean much.
Beyond that, make your own call. I'm not convinced there's a choice that gets us near where we want to be in practical terms, but I may be wrong; if you see it different, go ahead. Not my state, so not my headache in this case...
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at September 02, 2010 08:22 AM (IkEhE)
Posted by: bigred at September 02, 2010 08:22 AM (cX9pO)
some morons have a problem with winning???
Posted by: ford sells volts
Some Morons have a problem with parties handing out offices like they owned them. (well here, they do).
Some Mornons have a problem with independents or newcomers to the party being marginalized or crushed because they dare question the leadership of the party.
Some Morons have a problem with the bi-partisan hero worship of Joe Biden.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:23 AM (R2fpr)
Bloomberg will endorse a string of politicians running in races across the country, including Democratic Senate candidate Joe Sestak, Republican Senate candidate Mike Castle, and Washington, D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty, another Democrat.
The mayor's appearance on the campaign trail comes as his passionate defense of building a mosque near Ground Zero garners national attention. Bloomberg's first stop was a scheduled morning appearance in Philadelphia to endorse Democratic Rep. Joe Sestak, who is running for Senate.
"In deciding to throw his support behind Joe, Mayor Bloomberg cited the independent, pragmatic mindset that Joe will bring to solving problems in the Senate — much like he did in the military — and Joe's approach to putting Americans back to work," the campaign said in a statement. Sestak has also spoken out in support of the mosque.
Bloomberg will return to New York to hold a fundraiser for Delaware Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Mike Castle, the Wall Street Journal reported.
Mike Castle - the New York RINO's choice.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 02, 2010 08:25 AM (3WdEX)
If the conservative did not win the primary then you have to VOTE FOR THE RINO.
THERE IS NO "SITTING IT OUT' THIS TIME.
If you are truely stupid enough to let the dem win because you stayed home, then just go ahead and register and vote dem, you will be more comfortable there with the other idiots.
Posted by: dagny
And who here suggested that? I said before today that I was voting for that jerk Castle. That hasn't changed. The fact that Castle is a jerk hasn't changed either.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:25 AM (R2fpr)
But we don't.
When we manage to displace the Dems with RINOs, the next step is to broom RINOs and get conservatives in.
Ideological purity is nice for the armchair theorists and cranks like Michelle Malkin (thanks YRM) and Hannity. It sucks in the real world.
No matter what you think of him, the nation would be in far better shape -- and far less stuck up the Muzzies' asses -- if the purists had held their noses and voted for McCain.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 02, 2010 08:26 AM (Ulu3i)
Mike Castle - the New York RINO's choice.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
I fucking hate this state and its politics.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:26 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 08:27 AM (/HFKu)
Why is there always this "DE is one of the bluest of blue states" to start an argument?
I thought Pete DuPont / Mike Castle were elected governors, and the state went for Reagan.
All those arguments and poll numbers are merely CW (conventional wisdom), but this year is an anomaly.
If O'Donnell is really terrible, then she will have just serve one term. I don't know how anybody can be so sure Caslte will vote 70% of the time WITH the Repub issues, but I do know she'll be to the right of Castle.
Posted by: always right at September 02, 2010 08:28 AM (8/wkb)
Posted by: dagny
If you live in Delaware, your principles are anything but virgin.
Snow, we got.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:28 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Moi at September 02, 2010 08:30 AM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 08:33 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:36 AM (QbA6l)
Your grasp of strategy is intriguing, please post your PokerStars user name.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at September 02, 2010 08:37 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Vic
To date, he's only held county office, but it was as an executive, balancing budgets. Castle was once governor here, so he has similar experience. Coons has had some disagreements with labor (county worker wage agreements) and has gotten some things done.
Then again, when running for the general (and for Coons, that already started) he will start out running as an independent, particularly here, and this year.
yeah, Delaware politics is fun that way.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:39 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:39 AM (QbA6l)
Which frankly, dimes to donuts, they started.
Posted by: ace
Agreed. Baseless rumors are just that. Put up or shut up. And that applies only to rumors that have relevence to the office.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:40 AM (R2fpr)
You're that idiot who was defending this on HotAir, weren't you? I recognize the same hilariously specious line of reasoning.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2010 08:41 AM (NjYDy)
Whaddya want to bet that his past "conservative" history will promptly disappear if he goes to the Senate? Jim Webb was supposed to be a "conservative" too. Didn't hear a peep out of him about voting for the Stimulus and ObamaCare.
Seriously, if you vote for a Democrat in a deep-blue state, you deserve what you get: a freshman Democrat who will vote with Democratic leadership nearly 99% of the time.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2010 08:44 AM (NjYDy)
But without any of those? What's she going to run on? Pluck? She can't run on pluck and moxie the whole campaign.
Heck, she could lock up the whole male vote with that alone. Oh wait ... you said "Pluck".
Posted by: MM at September 02, 2010 08:44 AM (EtH1K)
You are suggesting (perhaps inadvertently) that people chiefly oppose her due to her "questioning the leadership of the party." I like that part of it.
The parts I don't like are most of the other stuff. Ideologically, she's good by me, but I don't get how she can win with that profile. On other parts, she's just a really bad candidate.
This is not just some impulse to defend the status quo and crush the "newcomers and independents."
if it were I'd've supported Murky Murkowski.
There was a difference there. Miller could win.
Posted by: ace
I'm gratified to hear that. Please note the example I provided above. The party here is infamous for what I've described. Janet Reznicki might be a national name by now, but for the party. I worked for her, despite her being pro-abortion. She had good ideas for running the state and its finances, and an amazing rapport that reached across party lines; which is vital here. But that was cast aside.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 08:45 AM (R2fpr)
About three-quarters of the way into the bottom video there's roughly ten seconds of two parties standing face-to-face videotaping each other close-up, all shot by a third party. That is my dystopian vision of our future.
I categorically reject Ace's proposition (oft repeated) that in State X the best we can ever hope for is a liberal republican because the state is just too blue. I think there are several historical examples of conservatives winning in liberal states (and liberals in conservative states). You just need a very good candidate. I agree that it looks quite likely that O'Donnell is not that candidate.
Posted by: SteveN at September 02, 2010 08:47 AM (7EV/g)
LOL, I didn't say he WAS a conservative. I said he more conservative, or you could say "less liberal" than Castle.
Castle in 2008 with a rating of 28 and 2007 20. Hell many Democrats have better ratings than that.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 08:50 AM (/jbAw)
Repeat this comment. Often.
Here in Washington State we're still hearing gripping from Didder voters ("Even Redder") in a state that is - at best - light blue.
The entire point is to do your intraparty screaming and scheming during the primary - then lock the hell up and vote for whichever asshole wins. If you have to grumble going forward, do it by nudging people you know that seem plausible for next time. How in the hell we ended up with McCain again....
Posted by: Al at September 02, 2010 08:50 AM (MzQOZ)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:53 AM (QbA6l)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2010 12:41 PM
Some typical jiveass poster over at Tepid Air just blasted another for "preferring power to integrity."
Integrity don't mean shit unless you have the power to make something happen with it. Those who have their "integrity" because they stayed home and allowed Osama Obama to win are second-placers. "Second place" means "first loser."
Oh, and @SteveN at September 02, 2010 12:47 PM: I don't believe ace ever said "the best we can ever do." Supporting a candidate because he or she is the "best we can do right now" is a whole 'nother thing.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 02, 2010 08:54 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 08:56 AM (QbA6l)
Posted by: Jeremy at September 02, 2010 08:57 AM (XR7IU)
Posted by: ATaLien at September 02, 2010 08:59 AM (SkRi5)
Posted by: Moi at September 02, 2010 08:59 AM (Ez4Ql)
I am an outsider. My opinion means little. But my opinion, to the extent it means anything, is that O'Donnell can't win in any realistic scenario.
Maybe the DE GOP blocked or discouraged more plausible candidates. I don't know. Sounds like something a party apparatus would do.
Posted by: ace
I've been active in it since 1982. Sadly, it sounds as though O'Donnell is self-destructing. It's a pity, but thuggish behavior and wild ass rumors have no place anywhere. And, her resume in any event does not match Castle's.
Castle is who we've got. it would be nice to see the party here make something more than a token effort for the House seat, but I fear that they've already written it off.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:00 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Moi at September 02, 2010 09:03 AM (Ez4Ql)
Looking at Coons' bio it looks like he may very well be more conservative than Castle!
Until it is time to organize the Senate. Then Coons vote for whoever the Democratic Majority Leader is.
Posted by: Mallamutt
Sadly, both of you are right. FML.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:03 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 09:03 AM (xtAfO)
Posted by: martha stewarts left nipple at September 02, 2010 09:06 AM (kN1ie)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 09:11 AM (xtAfO)
Posted by: Dr Spank
As I had noted before. The party and Castle know that they have a green light. If my experience and those whom I know are typical, while many prefer O'Donnell's positions, they will support Castle in the end. So he knows that he can wail away here with little cost to himself. Admittedly, an edited tape doesn't negate a botched interview or a baseless rumor.
Can we re-name this post as "the Blue Hen pity party"?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:15 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: martha stewarts left nipple at September 02, 2010 09:16 AM (kN1ie)
1) Like most morons, I'd hit it; and
2) RINO Castle is better than Coons
Posted by: Alec Leamas
1. Speaking from the basis of an in-person meeting, Oh yes.
2. Just from the leadership vote, Castle is preferable.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:16 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: GOP pundits, who have just kicked Ace out of the clubhouse at September 02, 2010 09:24 AM (K/USr)
But John Carney cannot and will not 'whip anything'. He has no talent and no accomplishements to his name, and he's a liar. But he's a Dem, he has a pulse, he has name recognition, and the Republican party will not seriously contest him.
O'Donnell is running for the Senate.
Sorry, meant Coons. I was also commenting elsewhere on whether any of the Republicans can beat O'Donnell. And the answer is perhaps only Rose Izzo...
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 02, 2010 09:25 AM (c3i/K)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:31 AM (R2fpr)
Rather than worry about whether we should support a sketchy sociopath like O'Donnell or a Lincoln Chaffee pimp like Castle, I think conservatives' long-term interests lie in working to get the whole of New England and all of its ridiculously small and inconsequential states absorbed into Massachusetts and call it a victory.
I'll send a link to a petition this afternoon.
Posted by: VJay at September 02, 2010 09:35 AM (gQ+XA)
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 09:37 AM (Q1lie)
Rather than worry about whether we should support a sketchy sociopath like O'Donnell or a Lincoln Chaffee pimp like Castle, I think conservatives' long-term interests lie in working to get the whole of New England and all of its ridiculously small and inconsequential states absorbed into Massachusetts and call it a victory.
I'll send a link to a petition this afternoon.
Posted by: VJay
Cute. Now FOAD.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:37 AM (R2fpr)
Save the purity for South Carolina when it's time for Lindsey Graham... Hey, I would have loved to have seen John McCain lose a primary this year, but not when the alternative was a lousy candidate like JD Hayworth, who probably would have been a posterchild for corruption in the next election cycle...
Posted by: Lowell Weicker at September 02, 2010 09:38 AM (1AnxB)
Does this mean that we aren't friends any more? Man, you Delawarianitions really are touchy.
Aw, lighten up, Blue. I grew up in Cleveland, for crying out loud. I know, right?
Posted by: VJay at September 02, 2010 09:39 AM (gQ+XA)
Posted by: Rocks
Having met both, you are two for two. Ace does raise valid points in that on the face of it, her positions place her to the right, while Castle is agreeably malleable( to the Delaware voter). The primary is moot at ths point. Her campaign may be self-destructing, and the state party is likely to remain distant even if she wins.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:41 AM (R2fpr)
Aw, lighten up, Blue. I grew up in Cleveland, for crying out loud. I know, right?
Posted by: VJay
That's Delaweeners to you bub.
As to your planet of origin, you have my condolences.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:42 AM (R2fpr)
This is crazy. O'Donnell's bio suggests nothing more than an opportunistic grifter who plays the gender card to cover up for running a for-profit business from her desk at ISI and getting caught. And now resorts to really despicalble campaign tactics against a fellowRepuiblican, violating Reagan's 11th Commandment.
Plus, there's no way she can win.
No-brainer... elect Castle and then try to influence him as much as possible, but at least with him conservatives will have some influence. And in the unlikely even there are 51 GOP senators come January, he'll vote with teh GOP to organize teh Senate.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Posted by: Marty at September 02, 2010 09:43 AM (b0AML)
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The posts at HA are generally decomposed.
Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 09:44 AM (osFsP)
Different dynamic. The Republican candidate had no name recognition, a gambling scandal and no cash. He was the guy who got the nod because no one else wanted it. Plus it was a one issue election, the war. If he had been even as good as Christine O'Donnell then Ned Lamont would be a Senator today.
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 09:44 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Jack at September 02, 2010 09:44 AM (bvDV5)
And now resorts to really despicalble campaign tactics against a fellowRepuiblican, violating Reagan's 11th Commandment.
Have you seen Castle's ads on this site? We'll wait. he's hauling off on a 'fellow republican' and will expect, no, demand that that be forgotten once he wins. And he'll get it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 09:45 AM (R2fpr)
This is a DIABLO liberal who voted FOR crap and tax and who has voted with Dems 80% of the time. In order to purify something first you have to have something to make purer.
I don't favor the O'Dennell either for all the reasons Ace stated. What I favor is everyone spend their money and efforts in other races where we have a chance of getting a net plus.
We have already lost this race. We can't win because it is heads they win, tails we lose.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 09:51 AM (/jbAw)
This is a DIABLO liberal who voted FOR crap and tax and who has voted with Dems 80% of the time. In order to purify something first you have to have something to make purer.
I don't favor the O'Dennell either for all the reasons Ace stated. What I favor is everyone spend their money and efforts in other races where we have a chance of getting a net plus.
We have already lost this race. We can't win because it is heads they win, tails we lose.
Posted by: Vic
Thank you.
This wouldn't bother half as much as the fact that the party here is kissing off the House seat. This, during an expected wave year, where party identification is at a record level of difference. And this stinking little state only has two national offices up for grabs this year. We're talking about re-taking the House and in Delaware we're handing off the seat. Watch what happens. You'll se the republican candidate descend to token status. Against a placeholder whose only achievement was avoiding being devoured by his boss (Gov Ruthann 'no-neck' Minner). She isn't quite as thin as Christine. (think 16" shell).
Posted by: The Duggars at September 02, 2010 09:56 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Selfcenter at September 02, 2010 09:57 AM (srEU1)
Posted by: Selfcenter
I like this. Whether it will fly, beats the crap outta me. But well put.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:00 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 10:03 AM (xtAfO)
I know that it's not appropriate to attack fellow conservatives like this, but she isn't one of them. She's a con artist. I truly believe that.
Blue Hen - or any other First Staters - I'm right across the border in PA. We've heard rumblings that O'Donnell's former employees are suing for nonpayment of wages. Do you know anything about this?
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2010 10:04 AM (+FkcS)
I know that it's not appropriate to attack fellow conservatives like this, but she isn't one of them. She's a con artist. I truly believe that.
Blue Hen - or any other First Staters - I'm right across the border in PA. We've heard rumblings that O'Donnell's former employees are suing for nonpayment of wages. Do you know anything about this?
Posted by: kallisto
Nope. If true, and if the allegations have merit, that's a huge problem. Please note that the local rag holds no love for any republican, especially one that dares to be pro-life. The fact that this is being aired now smacks of opportunism. In this same environment, the late Sen. Roth was subjected to attacks daily. if this had any tarction, I would have expected the 'News' Journal to trumpet this from the rooftops.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:08 AM (R2fpr)
Put it this way, the other guy might be a RINO, but this bitch has "potential scandal" written all over her. She'd be a drag on the whole party. Who wants to take that chance?
Screw her.
Posted by: Robert at September 02, 2010 10:08 AM (jYQ2v)
Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2010 10:09 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: alexthedude at September 02, 2010 10:10 AM (X2eGz)
Posted by: Rocks
This is my life. It sucks.
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233 -
I did a quick search and found some related info on Delaware Tomorrow - July 29, 2010 and June 17 editions. (I'm not posting the links because I don't feel like tinyurling or hreffing.)
O'Donnell never received a diploma from Fairleigh Dickinson because she owed the school money. I don't know if she's ever referred to that factoid about her background. There is reference to two unpaid debts from her 2008 campaign, one to a worker, for 500 bucks or so, and the other debt in the amt. of $2000, also campaign related. According to the DE Tomorrow articles, she did not abide by Financial Disclosure requirements expected of candidates in your state.
I first heard about these bad debt issues on local talk radio, many months ago. Maybe the local rag isn't beating her up over it because they think Castle is a foregone conclusion.
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2010 10:16 AM (+FkcS)
If we win all the Senate seats I think we can (10-13), you combine those freshmen with the Jim DeMint caucus and I'm not so sure McConnell is Senate Majority leader.
I would bet he is, just because no one wants to start a term with drama and dissention... but.... I don't know. He's not lighting the world on fire, and so many of his candidates and allies were defeated.
Posted by: ace
Hmmm.
It's a cheerier thought than voting for Castle. Do you think that a DeMint, fresh off a triple digit win could seize the crown?
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, for writing what I have been trying to get across in the comments for weeks now. O'DONNELL IS A JOKE OF A CANDIDATE. I have read the "Mike Castle is a RINO" bullshit all day long, but this should make obvious, even to the most ridiculous Tea Partier, that O'Donnell is not a viable candidate. Castle, unlike O'Donnell, will win the general election and Castle, unlike Coons, will not be a rubber stamp for the Obama agenda. Yes, he is a little more liberal than I would like, but he votes with the Republicans a majority of the time.
If the Tea Party Express goes ahead with their ad buy here, instead of using the money to help candidates that can actually win, like Rand Paul, they deserve to lose any and all credibility they have.
Posted by: Bob at September 02, 2010 10:20 AM (/G0pB)
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Can I trade Senate races with you? Please?
I have candy.
Don't need candy, but if you can bring the following two things to the table, yes, it's a deal:
1.Wake up the Phillies bats - through September
2.Reopen the Krispy Kreme that used to be across from Staples on Concord Pike.
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2010 10:20 AM (+FkcS)
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I did a quick search and found some related info on Delaware Tomorrow - July 29, 2010 and June 17 editions. (I'm not posting the links because I don't feel like tinyurling or hreffing.)
O'Donnell never received a diploma from Fairleigh Dickinson because she owed the school money. I don't know if she's ever referred to that factoid about her background. There is reference to two unpaid debts from her 2008 campaign, one to a worker, for 500 bucks or so, and the other debt in the amt. of $2000, also campaign related. According to the DE Tomorrow articles, she did not abide by Financial Disclosure requirements expected of candidates in your state.
I first heard about these bad debt issues on local talk radio, many months ago. Maybe the local rag isn't beating her up over it because they think Castle is a foregone conclusion.
Posted by: kallisto
I know many people who had to wrangle with colleges over debts, especially in the fee and loan filled world. That could stem from several things
Financial disclosure violations are serious, in and of themselves, and because we see Dems treat them like Sheryl Crow treats toilet paper.
Old debts from prior campaigns also aren't new, but then they are still serious. We've seen how that can get distorted, especially when 'sacred honor' is at stake.
What sticks with me is that the local rag never misses the chance to fire off on a republican candidate. This is the paper whose star columnist (Barney Frank) gleefully accused ALL wives of airmen at Dover AFB to be whores. They are what passes for class here.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:23 AM (R2fpr)
And the most laughable damn thing is he uses her personal finance issues to claim she is not fit to deal with the public's money.
You know, cause old Mike has been such a fiscal hawk.
Posted by: kidney at September 02, 2010 10:24 AM (ENRGu)
Posted by: ace
I dunno. If we could get Vitter and the hookers for the same incredibly low, low price, that would go a looong way to prove our committment to fiscal repsonsibility.
I'm thinking the big picture here.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:25 AM (R2fpr)
I have candy.
Don't need candy, but if you can bring the following two things to the table, yes, it's a deal:
1.Wake up the Phillies bats - through September
2.Reopen the Krispy Kreme that used to be across from Staples on Concord Pike.
Posted by: kallisto
Deal, except for one teensy thing:
I'm a transplanted New Yorker (Astoria, Queens) and thus a Mets fan. How about tickets to a Blue Rocks game (Carolina league team).
The return of Kriskpy Kreme would herald a return of civilization.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:28 AM (R2fpr)
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Cool. I just voted for Christine there. because, I could, and this is the only place where my vote will matter, and because she is hot.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:32 AM (R2fpr)
Compare to his Democratic successor.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2010 02:15 PM (QbA6l)
His successor? You mean the New England's Most Independent Congressman?
His successor, Jim Himes, is about to have his ass handed to him by a guy 10X as Conservative as Shays would ever allow himself to be. I don't remember Shays ever being with us alot either. He would vote R till what he wanted got put in the bill and then cave. But there was never a question of him caving. You don't get endorsed by the NYT as a Republican over a Liberal Democrat by being with the Republicans a lot. It was worth 2 years of Jim Himes to get Dan Debicella any day.
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That was the one that everybody said had a rat problem, right?
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it was only a problem when you didn't give them the 13th donut. Then they got crabby.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:36 AM (R2fpr)
253 I'm a transplanted New Yorker (Astoria, Queens) and thus a Mets fan. How about tickets to a Blue Rocks game (Carolina league team).
HA
My co-worker is a Mets fan, he told me this morning that the Mets aren't helping the Phillies out. Of course not, they always save Dickey for the Phils. I know about the Blue Rocks, only went once though. It's a great way to enjoy baseball on a summer night without spending too much.
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That was the one that everybody said had a rat problem, right?
I thought when I moved out of Philadelphia that I had seen the last of those disgusting creatures. Not so. I was at the Starbucks in Chadds Ford, when I saw a rat scurry out of the lovely planting bordering their sidewalk cafe. I told the manager and they were not in the least impressed. Since then I've become acquainted with what rat traps look like. I see them around the hoity toity "shoppes".
At least in the city they didn't sneak attack, you kind of expected them.
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2010 10:43 AM (+FkcS)
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Posted by: Y-not
1. For the same reason that Castle resorted to the ads that I see right now on this site.
2. Because he has the party behind him and she does not
3. He is better placed, both within the party and by being a current officeholder.
The nice thing about this country, and this site, is that you get to see the terrible ratings that Castle received. You also get to se unsettling allegations regarding O'Donnell. You can then make up your mind for yourself.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:46 AM (R2fpr)
No, they went all-in for the Porkulus bill (aka ARRA, of Recovery Summer Fevah fame). Specter had skedaddled over to the Dims by the time ObamaCare was voted on by the Senate and the Maine sisters, and all Republicans, voted against it.
Posted by: ya2daup at September 02, 2010 10:47 AM (HmCnI)
At least in the city they didn't sneak attack, you kind of expected them.
Posted by: kallisto
Here in the suburbs, even the rats are discreet. Not that urban rodentine hustle one often finds.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2010 10:48 AM (R2fpr)
http://tinyurl.com/3a5aae2
I don't see that they have done so bad so far.
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I still don't like Castle, but this is simply out of hand.
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