1 But Stupaked in crap wants it to pass without his vote!

2 Good news if it plays out.  Thanks for the update(s), Gabe.

3 Bottom line:

The abortion industry continues to own the Dems.  And if they can't get their claws into taxpayer money to kill our children with, there's no deal.

4
Democrats have been running around furiously telling everyone that "there is no abortion funding".
If the pro-abortion feminists are this pissed off about removing abortion funding, that means democrats have been running around lying to everyone.

Jared Polis (wealthy leftist(D-CO) just said on the radio the other day "there is no funding for abortion in this bill."

Fucking liar.

5 Intrade at 80%+

6 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see.....

7 I just watched this guy Cuellar spin the fake CBO numbers on Cavuto whilst in the same breath claim that he's still undecided.

How is that possible?  It seems to me that if he were truly undecided, he wouldn't be going on Fox News and running with the Pelosi spin, would he?

It seemed obvious to me that he was just lying about being undecided.  Are all of them so unpersuasive?

8 don't these evil fucks rest for one second. they seem tireless. how is that cryptkeeper pelosi doing it .. powered by the flames of hell.

9 Wouldn't this be something if this entire thing up to this point has been one big mind game to get wavering Dems to jump aboard and that they haven't had the votes at any time? I know that this is most likely delusional but it's a possibility.

10

On in trade, it had Doug Hoffman very highly rated too right up until the votes started being counted. Intrade is not a crystal ball.

Damn, if this bill goes down I will go out to Mortons and have a filet mignon!

11

And the beat goes on...and on...and on...

12 New deadline: They absolutely positively MUST have this done by June so the president can take the family for summer vacation. I'll be saddened but not surprised if the Dems pass crap the country doesn't want after they've been voted out of office in November.

13 I still don't see how they could possibly see any upside to voting for this. The best thing for them this fall would have been to kill this long ago. Obama must have some kind of spell over these folks.

14
Sadly, some of Stupaks group might want to find a way to vote for it. "Lie to me Nancy!   Lie to me"  I want businesses like Caterpillar to pay pay pay! 

*Abortion funding?  what abortion funding?*

*I'll just look the other way for a second while you lie to me, nancy.*

15 I think peolosi called this vote on sunday thinking that it would pressurize the situation and force the maybes to become YES's. Now it is tough and go and she is wrestling with the fact that she is a few short and is thinking whether or not to bring it to the floor and let the chips fall where they may. She thought the pressure of the vote would bring enough on board and so far it has not happened. It could happen in the next 24 hours though.

16 Fucking liar.

When killing babies is a priority to these pigs lying is small potatoes. You know, whatever it takes.

17 Fat lady hasn't sung yet.  Melt the phones.

18 There are moments in time when the Hand of Providence shows itself and reassures us that we are NOT meant to become a Socialist/Marxist Nation.

1. The Battle of Midway, where a string of fortuitous events turned the tide of the war.
2. Pearl Harbor, where the carriers just happened to be out of port the day of the attack, causing the Japanese to return home rather than occupying Hawaii providing them with a launching point for an invasion of the Western US.
3. The Election of Obama, which was about the ONLY thing that could re-invigorate the conservative wing of the Republican Party and awaken our leadership from utter pussification.

... and now this Stupak thing.

If my guess is right, this entire process will NOT end in the takeover of our healthcare system by the Obama regime, but with the utter downfall forever of the far left wing of the Democrat Party.

Once and for all, they have been exposed for who they are.  Never again will a Democrat be able to run as a "moderate" and have anyone believe them that they will govern that way.

19 From Michelle M: RT @JeffreyYoung_HC: Blue Dog John Barrow no on #hcr: "I donÂ’t think this bill is going 2 do it." http://bit.ly/aIPq0J

20 Someone just break my neck and get this over with.

21 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see.....

If that happens, we'll have to give it a special name like the Miracle on Ice.

22 I wonder if having to cast this vote on a Sunday will make any of the CongressCritters just a little more hesitant to vote in favor of a bill with abortion funding in it?

23 In dc morons but thanks to AT&T I can't tweet. Rep king speaking now..."kill the bill"!

24 @Kensington at March 20, 2010 10:56 AM (aDdAT)

I saw it, too.  Cuellar's a clear yes, and he's a fucking liar about it. 

Is there a single ounce of integrity anywhere in the Democrat party?  One fucking ounce?

25 "This bill is good for ALL Americans."


 It's just that there aren't too many of us left. But maybe enough?


I trust we all have called or e-mailed the fence-sitters? If not, put that on the top of your to-do list today.

26
The democrats are full-on deceptive liars.  They lie to themselves, they lie to their constituents, they lie to each other.

Fucking bunch of crap weasel liars - ALL. (D)

The lie about funding, money, the CBO, taxes, everything.

27 On Cavuto talking about the new tax on capital gains.  Funny listening to the liberal asshole from SF trying to defend it.

But I kept waiting for someone to speak the obvious....the dems ALWAYS start out a new tax with "its only on the rich". After a few years it is on everybody.

We still haven't got rid of the AMT which never did what it was supposed to do.  The last time we tried to get rid of it the Dems filibustered and said "paygo paygo".

Where is this BS paygo now with us running multi-trillion dollar deficits?

28 Someone just break my neck and get this over with.
Posted by: The Chicken

Sorry, you're needed for the humor if nothing else.

29 You're doin' a great job, Gabe. Thank You!

30 O/T:  Steve Levy and Rick Lazio are on Larry kudlow in the next segment.  They are both candidates for Governor of New York.

Levy announced his candidacy yesterday and his switch of party.  Kudlow just noted that he has the support of the republican chair and another prominent republican.

This is how the dems fill both the republican and the democratic slot.

31 Kensington, I saw him too.  Undecided my ass.  I don't believe that for a second.  He was spouting his joy about the CBO numbers...the ones that really aren't fucking REAL.  Either he's dense as a brick, or a manipulative, lying fucker.  I go with the latter.  He is, after all, a Democrap.

32 @John Cornyn tweets: "A deal on taxpayer funding for abortions in House cannot pass in Senate."

Does that mean that if the house passes this shitball that it's still not over?

Via the Corner.

33 Fat lady hasn't sung yet.  Melt the phones.

From RCP:

Four Illinois House Dems (Melissa Bean, Jerry Costello, Bill Foster and Deborah Halvorson) remain undecided and would not return phone calls to the Chicago Tribune yesterday.

Fax machine melting as we speak.

34 Sounds like it might be time for Pelousy to postpone the vote.  If she's not guaranteed a win, she won't schedule a vote - simple as that.

35 Just wrap your mind around being someone who takes money from the abortion lobby. You are using money which was amassed from "doctors" who stab completely helpless infants in the skull or dismember them in the womb. It makes hit men for the mafia look like cuddley bunnies. But these people believe they have the defence of "rights" on their side. Frickin' bizarro world here in the culture of death.

36  Is there a single ounce of integrity anywhere in the Democrat party?  One fucking ounce?

Yes, I'm sure there is.

It exists in exactly the same ratio to mendacious Dem bullshit as the ratio of human-generated CO2 to the rest of our atmosphere. 

In other words, bring a big shovel and a very powerful magnifying glass.

37

Henry Waxman "There will be no deal on Abortion"

http://tinyurl.com/yzprv32

 

 

38 I think peolosi called this vote on sunday thinking that it would pressurize the situation and force the maybes to become YES's. Now it is tough and go and she is wrestling with the fact that she is a few short and is thinking whether or not to bring it to the floor and let the chips fall where they may. She thought the pressure of the vote would bring enough on board and so far it has not happened. It could happen in the next 24 hours though.
Posted by: Dan

Does everyone agree it will be a tiny bit epic if there is no vote on Sunday?

39

Sounds like Nazi Pelosio's got a case of squeezing too hard and letting too much slip between her fingers.

Great news if this is true.

40 From Allah: Report: Stupak deal collapses http://is.gd/aQi5T

41 The amazing part is that the democrats KNOW the CBO numbers are utter BS and they have actually convinced themselves that they are meaningful.  When you start to believe your OWN lies, now THAT'S scary.

42

Posted by: Pavel at March 20, 2010 11:01 AM (1jazK)

I just don't get it.  Is being on TV so important to some of these imbeciles that it's worth it even if they have to lie to get the attention?

43

Fat lady hasn't sung yet.

OOOOOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEE!

To soon?

44 Am I the only one who thinks that if this bill passes, it doesn't matter what it says about abortion? They can change that part a dozen times a year if they feel like it.

45

I think they are a few votes short but will have the vote and keep it open. Then they will beat the shit out of every member and get them to change their vote on the floor.

Vote No and get the hell out of there!

46 This has to be a bluff. There's no other way to explain it.

47 Locally DC, protestors having trouble getting to the Capitol because of road construction. Coincidence?

48 From Michelle M: RT @NROcorner: Stupak is 'Finished with Pelosi' -- By: Robert Costa http://bit.ly/c5eIID #hcr

49 This is how the dems fill both the republican and the democratic slot.
Posted by: curious

That's exactly how they did it in California when spendaholic Dem Gray Davis was originally elected. Bill Clinton showed him how to pick his opponent. (The details aren't pretty; Davis "instructed" California Repubs to knock out the guy who was polling way ahead of Davis on the basis of his pro-choice stance, in favor of a pro-life political loser whom Davis was killing in the polls. California Repubs obeyed, and we got a pro-choice spendaholic Democrat governor who was followed incidentally by the same type of Repub, Governor Schwarz.)

50 Representative Danny Davis, Senators Dick Durbin, Roland Burris all have taken their phones off the hook at every office they have-even the faxes are down. Silence is golden. Tyranny must be punished.

51 Am I the only one who thinks that if this bill passes, it doesn't matter what it says about abortion? They can change that part a dozen times a year if they feel like it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 20, 2010 11:11 AM (Be4xl)

If that were the case, wouldn't Pelosi give in to Stupak and tell the pro-choicers, *wink* "Don't worry about it" *wink*

52 Twinks@32:
"[Cuellar] was spouting his joy about the CBO numbers..."

Exactly.  At best, it showed that he's eager to be lied to.

Undecided, my ass.

53 From Michelle M: RT @NROcorner: Stupak is 'Finished with Pelosi' -- By: Robert Costa http://bit.ly/c5eIID #hcr

Well that looks rather huge-ish.

54 This is very encouraging!  And, damn, I just want to give a huge shout-out to Gabe, who has gone above and beyond the call of duty on this thing.  Awesome job on this, Gabe, thank you so much!!

55

Kill the Bill Rally live here: http://ustre.am/dXMA

56
Silence is golden. Tyranny must be punished.

Posted by: Jeff at March 20, 2010 11:13 AM (HScbI)

Speakin' of which, check this story out.  Constituent get's transferred to Capital Police for calling his rep.

http://tinyurl.com/yfe5h2l

57 Chicago is out?  Chicago is out?

Not yet.  Keep the pressure on!

58 There are a lot of people, seniors, my mother-in-law, etc. that want to do something to stop this but don't know where to begin (ie. they are not good with computer or are doing something ineffectual like calling the White House).  We, the engaged, need to tell them how their voice can be heard in effective ways, using media they typically know about.  Let's face it, I doubt a lot of seniors visit, for example, Redstate.

Get on the compute at CNN, ABC, FOX etc and show them where they need to visit to get Congressional contact info.  WE need to show people how to express their frustration in ways the weasels in DC can understand. I visit hughhewitt.com for lists of DC and District phone numbers.  I'm sure you all have your favorites.  Get to work.

59 Tami, that story was great.  And not just any constituent -- a lawyer and former Marine. 

60 Some Dem on Cavuto calling this a "celebration of democracy".Unreal.

61

Well, Tami, that's the thing. I don't know if this is about abortion or about how they appear to their supporters. They could easily make it neutral, but then none of their supporters would think they stood up for their point of view.

62 Political insider, lawyer, Dc husband says pay no attention to any of this. The process is so butchered that the vote on sunday means nothing. She doesn't have the votes because she was there all night wheelin' and dealin' but it doesn't matter really the senate ain't going along with it.

63 We know how much Pelosi & co. want this bill. It is a gateway to all their socialist plans.

Which shows just how much they value the whole abortion industry; even status quo is not enough for them, it must be ever expanding. Truly disgusting.

64 @ 51 are you kidding me?

65

So if Bart Stupak and his remaining gang actually STOP the HC bill by actually sticking to their principles...

 

Who wants to bet some of the Republican House leadership AREN'T calling them privately to switch/ to offer reelection assurances?

If they don't have to fear their own party's wrath because the "opposition" party promises to save their skins in mostly R-leaning districts, they have no need to "bend" to Obama or Pelosi...

66

Something I don't get: 

More or less all the Democrats want this bill to pass, the problem is that too many of them don't actually want to vote for it because it would mean political suicide for them. 

So what advantage does it serve Pelosi to claim she has all the votes she needs?  Wouldn't the Dems that are still 'undecided' all breath a sigh of relief and come out against the bill, since their votes apparently aren't needed?

The only thing I see as an advantage is the attempt to demoralize the opposition (no, not the Republicans; the constituents) so that they'll stop pestering their congress vermin with calls about how they're going to eat their liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.  But it's just as likely to have the opposite effect and fire people up even further, so I don't see it as a clear advantage, just a possible advantage/possible disadvantage. 

So what am I missing?  What's in it for Pelosi to claim she has the votes when she doesn't?

67

They are all a bunch of fucking liars.  The tru CBO numbers come in at $2 trillion plus and add to the deficit...but the lemming Dems and pathetic Obambi followers choose to ignore.  Especially since the "rich" pay for it.  Hey, let's jack up taxes, especially the cap gains tax while we are in a recession and have 10% unemployment...and force businesses to pay for employee healthcare...THAT will work.  Bunch of fucking morons.

68 Girl on live feed from D.C. just said they heard from Boehner's office that their going ahead with Deem & Pass.

69 66 I dont want stupach as a republican. Hes a hardcore lib who just happens to be pro life. He would for this big government healthcare bill if the abortion shit was changed. I say we use him to stop this bill and then boot his ass out! LOL

70 If this pile of crap bill does pass, it will be interesting to see the Democrats have to defend all of the various aspects of the plan that they denied or lied about the past few months (e.g., abortion coverage, higher premiums, expanding deficits) while the taxes begin to kick in and all the unintended consequences start (e.g., companies paring back or starting to phase out their health care coverage for employees to deal with the extra taxes/costs) in the midst of horrible economic conditions in the country.  Because the bill is truly this bad and it the "benefits" don't start for four years while the "negatives" (e.g., new taxes) start immediately, it gives me some hope that this bill could actually be the rare one that is overturned in the next 12 months.

I think the Democrats are committing political suicide and at this point, this will be true whether the bill passes or not since much of the public has been watching their never-ending attempt to get this bill passed despite 70+% of the country wanting them to craft a different, more bipartisan bill.  I know the Democrats don't really care because they think about their agenda over the long term, but they may have done significant long-term damage to the Democrat brand (in the minds of Independents and some moderate Democrats) with their efforts.  The payoffs, accounting gimmicks, half-truths, and outright lies are bound to cause them problems for the foreseeable future, such as their credibility in criticizing the GOP.  Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part since a good chunk of the American populace let's me down on a regular basis with their bad decisions, such as in 2008.

71 It appears Cavuto's going off the rez.

72

6 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see.....

Stillwater..I,ve had the same thought..for days..and i pray it happens

73 Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2010 11:02 AM (QrA9E)

I loved that Cavuto jumped on that idiot's azz about it, too and kept stopping his spew so Varney could tell him how much of an idiot he was. 

74

#66 conartcritic:

I would hope they are calling Stupak and any other Dems that are up for re-election in November and telling them they will send a complete clown to run against them or not give much money to their competitor if they vote No...well, Ithey should be doing this...you are right.

75 The only benefit to its passing would be if the nation experiences what they're trying to do to us, we won't have to worry about them again for at least another couple of generations.

76 Levy: "Contract for New York"....similar to the one in '94
"we need some very deep structural reform"  "most candidates don't want to say this because they don't want to lose the unions going in"
he said "they aren't going to vote for me anyway"

Kudlow:  "you let the cat out of the bag" the public employee benefit unions are bankrupting us.

Levy:  You have to declare a "fiscal state of emergency which give you extraordinary powers in extraordinary times"

Kudlow saying former governor in the 1970's did something similar and he asked if Levy was following this model.  

Levy wants an independent control board for the state.  Put everything in one bill "the bill to save New York" and you either vote yes to save New York or you vote no and we go into bankruptcy"

Kudlow keeps referencing Christie in Jersey.

Levy reminds Kudlow that his county, suffolk county, is bigger than 11 states.
"I inherited a budget in 2004 which they said was the biggest deficit in county history"  "I've shown it can be done, we can do it in Albany as well if you have a person who knows what they are doing, knows what to do and can implement it"
"The public employee unions are too embedded and too powerful.  Someone has to run on a specific mandate.  These guys don't want to have change.  You've got to have the leader who wants to take on the fight."

Kudlow "yeah it's going to be hand to hand combat"

Levy:  "One bill, one vote and that is how you will save the state." 
his 10 pt plan includes a capital gains holiday for investment.

Ed cox and Faso.  What about mike long of the NY conservative party.  Now it's my hope that the conservative party which is absolutely needed if you want to win in November, now I'm hoping they will come forward.  You really have to have a person there who has executive experience and leadership.

"If you run on a clear agenda and you win then you implement your agenda" says kudlow

Talking about some guy from Buffalo named Pallotino who is the "darling of the tea partiers up there"  They met and are considering an alliance.  He has a great deal of tea party support.  These folks are not only disgusted with democrats but many republicans who they feel are republican in name only.  He is post partisan, his goal is to change this state, I don't look at politics as a football game to cheer our side.  What I do try to do is lead by example.

77
The Corner:

"Rep. Paul Ryan is owning Louise Slaughter's Rules Committee on C-SPAN right now.

I suspect this little experiment of cameras in the Committee won't last long."

*GET THE CAMERAS OFF - democrats are being exposed as corrupt liars - and we can't have that in a democracy!*

-Paul Ryan rocks my world.

78 The thing I am trying to figure out is why the democratic party is willing to completely jettison any future credibility they have on any issue to pass something that won't even go into effect for 4 years?

79 Does everyone agree it will be a tiny bit epic if there is no vote on Sunday?

Posted by: Ben Dover at March 20, 2010 11:08 AM (etgVC)

No vote on Sunday will be a death blow to Pelosi and probably ObamaCare.

80
#77 curious -

I know nothing about Levy.  Is he a democrat?

81 Some Dem on Cavuto calling this a "celebration of democracy".Unreal.

Didn't the National Socialist Party say the same thing after the Reichstag Fire Decree ( Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State; Verordnung des Reichspräsidenten zum Schutz von Volk und Staat)

82 69 Girl on live feed from D.C. just said they heard from Boehner's office that their going ahead with Deem & Pass.

Posted by: Twinks at March 20, 2010 11:22 AM (wRPBa)

Even if Pelosi doesn't have the votes, she's going to continue to make it appear as if they are going to hold the vote in order to pressure wavering Democrats.  If she cancels the vote, I think it will be at the very last second.

83 From a Lopez posting at the NRO Corner: A Dissenting View

Subject: You people are tiresome

Millions of people with no healthcare.
You don't care.
Children without healthcare.
You don't care.
Infant mortality higher than any other western country
You don't care.
Woman want an abortion...
OMFG!!!! MURDER!!!!! GENOCIDE.
Christ you're pathetic.
Really

The fucking vapidity of these people strains credulity.

84 Tami, that story was great.  And not just any constituent -- a lawyer and former Marine. 

Posted by: Peaches at March 20, 2010 11:18 AM (9Wv2j)

Yeah, and he pwnnned the capital police.

85

Paul Ryan in 2012!!!  Please, please, please!!!

86

6 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see.....

Stillwater..I,ve had the same thought..for days..and i pray it happens

Also praying for that scenario.  And it's what I'd do if I had that raving hell-hag bothering me 24/7.

87

The controversy over the abortion funding should be THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES,PEOPLE.

Jesuschristonacrutch.

It's an abuse of power. There are so many items in these bills that exapnd government intrusion, including the IRS.  Not only that, but there's a shitload of funding that has NOTHING to do with "healthcare".  Payoffs, kickbacks, and shit like this:

Sec. 1408.  Elimination of unintended application of cellulosic biofuel producer credit. Adds an additional revenue provision.  In 2008, Congress enacted a $1.01 per gallon tax credit for the production of biofuel from cellulosic feedstocks in order to encourage the development of new production capacity for biofuels that are not derived from food source materials.  Congress is aware that some taxpayers are seeking to claim the cellulosic biofuel tax credit for unprocessed fuels, such as black liquor.  The provision would limit eligibility for the tax credit to processed fuels (i.e., fuels that could be used in a car engine or in a home heating application). 

Sec. 1409.  Codification of economic substance doctrine and penalties.  Adds an additional revenue provision.  The economic substance doctrine is a judicial doctrine that has been used by the courts to deny tax benefits when the transaction generating these tax benefits lacks economic substance.  The courts have not applied the economic substance doctrine uniformly. The provision would clarify the manner in which the economic substance doctrine should be applied by the courts and would impose a penalty on understatements attributable to a transaction lacking economic substance. 

Sec. 1410.  Time for payment of corporate estimated taxes.  Provides for a one-time adjustment to corporate estimated taxes for payments made during calendar year 2014. 

Sec. 1411.  No impact on Social Security trust funds.  Provides that Title II of the Social Security Act (the old age, survivor, and disability benefits program (OASDI)) is not amended or modified by the bill.

Subtitle F – Other Provisions

Sec. 1501.  TAA for communities. Appropriates $500 Million a year for fiscal years 2010 through 2014 in the Community College and Career Training Grant program for community colleges to develop and improve educational or career training programs. Ensures that each state receives at least 0.5 percent of the total funds appropriated.

Part I—Investing in Students and Families

Section 2101. Federal Pell Grants.  Amends the Higher Education Act to include mandatory funding for the Pell Grant.  This provides additional mandatory funding to augment funds appropriated to increase the federal maximum Pell Grant award by the change in the Consumer Price Index.  The mandatory component of the funding is determined by inflating the previous yearÂ’s total and subtracting the maximum award provided for in the appropriations act for the previous year or $4860, whichever is greater.  Beginning in the 2018-2019 academic year, the maximum Pell award will be at the 2017-2018 level.

Section 2102. Student Financial Assistance.  This section provides $13.5 billion in mandatory appropriations to the Federal Pell Grant program.

Section 2103. College Access Challenge Grant Program.  This section amends section 786 of the Higher Education Act by authorizing and appropriating $150 million for fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for the College Access Challenge Grant program created under the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007.  Provides that the allotment for each State under this section for a fiscal year shall not be an amount that is less than 1.0 percent of the total amount appropriated for a fiscal year.

Section 2104.  Investment in Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Minority Serving Institutions.  This section amends section 371(b) of the Higher Education Act by extending funding for programs under this section created under the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 for programs at Historically Black Colleges and Universities and minority-serving institutions through 2019, including programs that help low-income students attain degrees in the fields of science, technology, engineering or mathematics by the following annual amounts: $100 million to Hispanic Serving Institutions, $85 million to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Predominantly Black Institutions, $30 million to Tribal Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Alaska, Hawaiian Native Institutions, $5 million to Asian American and Pacific Islander Institutions, and $5 million to Native American non-tribal serving institutions.

Part II—Student Loan Reform

Section 2201.  Termination of Federal Family Education Loan Appropriations.  This section terminates the authority to make or insure any additional loans in the Federal Family Education Loan program after June 30, 2010.

Section 2202. Termination of Federal loan Insurance Program.  This section is a conforming amendment with regard to the termination of the FFEL program, limiting Federal insurance to those loans in the Federal Family Education Loan program for loans first disbursed prior to July 1, 2010.

Section 2203. Termination of Applicable Interest Rates.  This section makes a conforming amendment with regard to the termination of the FFEL program limiting interest rate applicability to Stafford, Consolidation, and PLUS loans to those loans made before July 1, 2010.

Section 2204. Termination of Federal payments to Reduce Student Interest Costs.  This section makes a conforming amendment with regard to the termination of the FFEL program by limiting subsidy payments to lenders for those loans for which the first disbursement is made before July 1, 2010.

Section 2205. Termination of FFEL PLUS Loans.  This section makes a conforming change with regard to the termination of the FFEL program for federal PLUS loans by prohibiting further FFEL origination of loans after July 1, 2010.

Section 2206. Federal Consolidation Loans.  This section makes conforming changes with regard to the termination of the FFEL program for federal consolidation loans.  This section also provides that, for a 1 year period, borrowers who have loans under both the Direct Lending program and the FFEL program, or who have loans under either program as well as loans that have been sold to the Secretary, may consolidate such loans under the Direct Lending program regardless of whether such borrowers have entered repayment on such loans.

Section 2207. Termination of Unsubsidized Stafford loans for Middle-Income Borrowers.  This section makes conforming changes with regard to the termination of the FFEL program for Unsubsidized Stafford loans by prohibiting further FFEL origination of loans after July 1, 2010.      

Section 2208. Termination of Special Allowances.  This section makes conforming changes with regard to the termination of the FFEL program by limiting special allowance payments to lenders under the FFEL program to loans first disbursed before July 1, 2010.

Section 2209. Origination of Direct Loans at Institutions Outside the United States.  This section provides for the origination of federal Direct Loans at institutions located outside of the United States, through a financial institution designated by the Secretary. 

Section 2210.  Conforming amendments.  This section makes conforming technical changes with regard to the termination of the FFEL program for Department of Education agreements with Direct Lending institutions.

Section 2211. Terms and Conditions of Loans.  This section makes conforming technical changes with regard to the termination of the FFEL program to clarify the terms and conditions of Direct Loans.

Section 2212. Contracts.  This section directs the Secretary to award contracts for servicing federal Direct Loans to eligible non-profit servicers.  In addition, this section provides that for the first 100,000 borrower loan accounts, the Secretary shall establish a separate pricing tier.  Specifies that the Secretary is to allocate the loan accounts of 100,000 borrowers to each eligible non-profit servicer.  The section also permits the Secretary to reallocate, increase, reduce or terminate an eligible non-profit servicerÂ’s allocation based on the performance of such servicer.  In addition, this section appropriates mandatory funds to the Secretary to be obligated for administrative costs of servicing contracts with eligible non-profit servicers.  This section also requires the Secretary to provide technical assistance to institutions of higher education participating or seeking to participate in the Direct Lending program.  This section appropriates $50 million for fiscal year 2010 to pay for this technical assistance. Additionally, this section authorizes the Secretary to provide payments to loan servicers for retaining jobs at location in the United States where such servicers were operating on January 1, 2010.  This section appropriates $25,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 and 2011 for such purpose.

Section 2213.  Agreements with State-Owned Banks.   This section amends Part D of Title IV to direct the Secretary to enter into an agreement with an eligible lender for the purpose of providing Federal loan insurance on student loans made by state-owned banks.

Section 2214.  Income-Based Repayment.  The section amends the Income-Based Repayment program to cap student loan payments for new borrowers after July 1, 2014 to 10% of adjusted income, from 15% percent, and to forgive remaining balances after 20 years of repayment, from 25 years.

This bill is chock full of more taxpayer-funded waste for things totally unrelated to “health care reform”.

Stupak aside, we're still screwed.

88 69 twinks -
Girl on live feed from D.C. just said they heard from Boehner's office that their going ahead with Deem & Pass.


When pushed, the democrats are reliably corrupt.

89 So what am I missing?  What's in it for Pelosi to claim she has the votes when she doesn't?

I don't think you're missing a thing. By now it's nothing but a giant game of chicken.

90 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 20, 2010 11:27 AM (0fzsA)

Yes he was a conservative democrat.  He is the county executive of Suffolk county new york.  He just changed to republican.  I guess they don't like rick Lazio. 

that is going to hurt Levy.  A lot of people are suspect when someone just switches parties like that.  He would have had a better chance with many voters had he stayed a dem.

91

#75

You know they are.

Politically speaking, for the good of the country, that would be best- lets face it- we cannot stop passage of this bill WITHOUT Democrats siding against it.

Setting a backroom deal that promises easy reelection in return for killing this isn't bad- it also saves $$ for Republicans to spend against the Democrats who stupidly voted for it.

Not to mention if they go back on their word later in the year, the promise is void and they get trounced.

92 They could easily make it neutral, but then none of their supporters would think they stood up for their point of view.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 20, 2010 11:19 AM (Be4xl)

Yeah, that's true.  What a clusterfuck this whole thing has become. 

93 @ 89 When pushed, the democrats are reliably corrupt.

But they're corrupt for the children.

Ends > Means.

94

79 The thing I am trying to figure out is why the democratic party is willing to completely jettison any future credibility they have on any issue to pass something that won't even go into effect for 4 years?

I think that they recognize that it's a Trojan horse,and, coupled with amnesty, will keep them in office via LBJ's awful, alledged statement from the '60s.

95 Here's a primary question that just popped into my head watching Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) going on and on about all the people who don't have insurance.

How is this any of their freaking business in the first place?  Why is this a federal matter?

96 @ 89 When pushed, the democrats are reliably corrupt.

But they're corrupt for the children.

Ends > Means, dont'cha know.

97

Boehner to NRO   [Robert Costa]

"Clocks still ticking, and she still doesn't have the votes."

98 It is not (nor was it ever) hyperbole to say that the Democratic Party is the "party of death". We see this more clearly than ever as the passage of this "health care" bill is within reach, if only they were willing to remove abortion funding language; yet, they refuse to do so. Why? The very essence of the Democratic Party, the glue which binds them, is the death of unborn children, and for most Democrats with no restrictions or limitations, including late-term abortions and the gruesome, partial-birth variety.

99 That is my question for those Catholic nuns. If there is no allowance for abortions in the bill, then why would the prochoice dems object to this deal? Tools.

100 [Double post bullshit]

101 The thing I am trying to figure out is why the democratic party is willing to completely jettison any future credibility they have on any issue to pass something that won't even go into effect for 4 years?
Posted by: Bill Mitchell

Folks is sayin' the Dems are playing a long game. They lose short-term, but the rest of us lose even bigger long-term. They're willing to sacrifice themselves for a greater evil.

102  My guess is that getting this passed is as much about saving Pelosi's ass in the leadership as anything else right now.

She and Waxman and some of these others with the perfectly safe districts have been blowing the whistles and swinging the riding crops and flogging their troops over the parapet.

If 'the big push' succeeds, she gets at least a sentence next to LBJ in the history books. 

If it fails, the survivors who crawl back through the wire aren't going to be very happy.

103 Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at March 20, 2010 11:33 AM (tzcjs)

I'm still checking that Catholic nun story out.  It doesn't sound right and expect them to get a smackdown from the Vatican fairly soon.  They are next in line after the Irish Bishops.

104 Here's a primary question that just popped into my head watching Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) going on and on about all the people who don't have insurance.

That Chavez loving scumbag doesn't care about anybody, he likes power and control.

105 #77 curious -

Are the Suffolk county cops still raking in a good six figures a year for enforcing speed limits on the LIE and the occasional cat up in a tree?

WAFJ

106 Posted by: The Chicken at March 20, 2010 11:36 AM (G8Eo0)

Boxer was thought to have a "perfectly safe" district too and things are setting up for the fight of her career.   One of my buds said "if she realizes the fight will be too much, rather than go through it and possibly lose, she'll retire".  Do you think he is right on this one?  he's a dem.

107 Millions of people with no healthcare. So?
You don't care.- You're right!
Children without healthcare. - BS lie, the commies passed SCHIP twice.
You don't care. FU
Infant mortality higher than any other western country - BS Lie
You don't care. FU
Woman want an abortion... BS Lie
OMFG!!!! MURDER!!!!! GENOCIDE.
Christ you're pathetic. Yes you are.

108 Do you think he is right on this one?  he's a dem.

If it looks like an obvious loss, yes she will; She will do the same thing as Piss Dodd "for the good of the Party".

109 I'm still checking that Catholic nun story out.

KLO at NRO has been covering it. Seems like some lefty nuns who aren't really part of the church anymore.

110

#107

Well shes within the margin of error AGAIN against Campbell and Fiorina.

even DailyKos' polls show that.

 

She may very well retire.

What would be a disaster for California Dems is if Feinstein decides Brown is a liability and retires to jump into the governors race.

That happens, the Democrats risk losing BOTH Senate seats in California- Fiorina and Campbell can split up and run against Dems instead of each other. There are very, very few widely known California Democrats with wide approval- Boxer and Brown WERE but their numbers have tanked. Glaring Nuisence and Tony Villar are despised in opposite parts of the state, and the Democratic leadership in Sacremento have a 16% approval rating.

I really, really hope Feinstein jumps to challenge Brown.

111 BTW; per Stupak spokeswoman, the deal is NOT over yet, talks still ongoing.

112 The controversy over the abortion funding should be THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES,PEOPLE.

Jesuschristonacrutch.

It's an abuse of power. There are so many items in these bills that exapnd government intrusion, including the IRS.  Not only that, but there's a shitload of funding that has NOTHING to do with "healthcare".  Payoffs, kickbacks, and shit like this: ...

This bill is chock full of more taxpayer-funded waste for things totally unrelated to “health care reform”.

Stupak aside, we're still screwed.

Posted by: SFC MAC at March 20, 2010 11:30 AM (RPkOk)

We certainly know that but the abortion funding issue is the one causing a rift between the different Democrat factions so it could potentially stop this thing.  Pounding on your list or the true cost of the health care bill should also be done today to try to scare many of the House Democrats in right-leaning districts from voting for it.

The GOP and those calling various Reps. need to focus on a couple of broad themes today in their attempts to get enough Democrats to vote "No" on this thing, such as the CBO score on the plan with everything included actually increasing the deficit, not decreasing it like that fraudulent scoring that was released yesterday with its ridiculous assumptions and use of the 10-year period when the costs are at their absolute lowest.  Also, the fact that fees and taxes will kick in immediately, while nearly all of the so-called "benefits" don't start for four years, which won't sell well with even those citizens supporting this bill.

113 111, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

114 You know, as much as those of us who are dead-set against this ObamaCare Bill are holding up Stupak and his bunch as some great 'hope' against the passage of this abomination to our Constitution ... it's only ONE word he and they are against.  Abortion. I am NOT comforted or inspired by Stupak's opposition. While I am with them on forbidding the federal funds for abortion, it's NOT the only thing wrong with this thing. The whole thing is B.A.D.!!     Damn it! We are back to a 'single issue' ruling the political debate here.  Abortion ... the killing and butchering of the unborn inside the sanctuary of the womb.     But the bill on whole is an abortion of all that we have had and known in this republic. And it is pretty much a point of no return once implemented on many levels, from healthcare, to taxes, to controlling higher education in this country.     This bill is nothing about 'healthcare' for the people in this country. It is about fundamentally transforming us from a republic "of, by and for the People" to a State dictatorship over the people and the very system that runs this country and keeps it thriving.     It's NOT just one word that's wrong with the bill, Congressman Stupak. It IS the ENTIRE bill and its intentions.  

115 Even if they're pro-choice/pro-abortion/whatever, why must the rest of us fund other people's abortions. Pro-choice should also mean you have a choice to pay for your gruesome "choice."

But thank God the pro-choice feministas weren't having it, or we might have a deal now.

116 I'm still checking that Catholic nun story out.

KLO at NRO has been covering it. Seems like some lefty nuns who aren't really part of the church anymore.

Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 11:42 AM (Z+qzA)

--Check out Taranto's BOTW column on opinionjournal.com from Thursday.  Turns out those nuns in clown habits have opened their pieholes before, with similarly idiotic results.

117

On NPR this morning, Juan Williams identified the reason for the lack of public support for Obamacare as a "failure of the White House message machine". This is both revealing and hilarious: revealing in that it shows Juan is completely invested in the mantra that opposition to liberal agenda items is always based on ignorance and mis-information.

But also hilarious in that while Juan clearly intends his remark to deflect criticism from Obama, which is basically NPR's mission statement, he accidently nailed the true culprit for those of us who are perversely very well-informed about the identity of the true "White House Message Machine"!

Besides the gratutitous slap at the American public (oh, and Sarah Palin), the whole coverage on NPR was about Democrats: what Democrats want, what Democrats fear, why Democrats have failed to garner support, what deals Democrats have had to do... makes you wonder exectly what fucking nation's public that "National Public" Radio thinks it is broadcasting to, doesn't it?  Is there perhaps a newly-formed country called "Democrapia"?

118 Anyone in their right mind would be "finished with Pelosi".

119

The odds of Feinstein doing what I said earlier are probably 1 in 4, but if Brown keeps sucking at his chances (he should, with his careeer and name recognition, be 10pts + ahead of Whitman Samplers) that will improve.

The fact that states like California and Illinois are making races out of both Senate and Governor seats SHOULD be the wakeup call that Bayh was warning people about the day after Brown won.

The fact that these politicians seem to be relying on the very short attention span of the voting public scares me.

 

If HC passes, and the economy slightly improves, and the Dems manage to keep both houses w/ comfortable margins, we have absolutely no one to blame but ourselves.

120 Some great comment on this thread. This is what makes this site so good. The posts are excellent and the morons are better. Glad to be in this political foxhole so to speak.

121 But also hilarious in that while Juan clearly intends his remark to deflect criticism from Obama.....

Actually his remark is straight from the Obama/Dem talking points. Almost a direct quote.

He is too stupid to invent his own PR.

122 Hey Juan Williams,

“Since launching his campaign for health care reform with a White House forum on March 5th of last year, Mr. Obama has delivered 54 speeches and statements on the issue.

“He has done health care events in 12 states, some of them more than once. He’s done 9 Town Hall Meetings on health care and made it the focus of 13 of his Saturday radio and Internet addresses…

“Our CBS News tally shows Mr. Obama has made 471 speeches, remarks and comments on every issue under the sun since taking office 423 days ago. His 54 statements on health care reform mean that better than 1 in 10 was on health care. Since the first of this year, it’s been nearly 2 in 10.”

It's not the message asshole.

123 curious - I'd like to be able to say "Boxer's hit a wall, her numbers won't go up from where they are, and the GOP's numbers won't go down."

That depends on the world not turning upside-down (again) between now and November, and on the eventual GOP candidate not doing something really stupid.  It's very dangerous to bet on GOP candidates not doing something really stupid, especially in California.

Will she quit?  She's no youngster, but she's too much of a partisan True Believer to give up without a fight.  I wouldn't expect to see her give up.

124

6 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see.....

Stillwater..I,ve had the same thought..for days..and i pray it happens

Also praying for that scenario.  And it's what I'd do if I had that raving hell-hag bothering me 24/7.

Can u imagine..having to be around that lying Bitch for any extended amount of time

125 She doesn't have the votes. The last two weeks have been a massive psyops campaign to demoralize the opposition and create the perception of inevitability. Standard Saul Alinsky tactic. In other words a giant game of chicken or an all-in bluff - to use a poker metaphor. Keep up the pressure. Victory is within our grasp.

126 It seems like last year there were times when Juan Williams was on Fox that he was almost wandering off the liberal plantation.  But since healthcare has become the national (forced) obsession, he has "come home".  Maybe somebody at NPR yanked his chain, real hard.

127 Sorry that should say it's not the message machine asshole.

128

#124

Fiorina, Campbell, DeVore, and Whitman have their ears to the ground and smelled the blood in the water. Stakes are exceptionally high for them to fuck it up, but it does happen.

 

That being said, Boxer having approval ratings approaching Harry Reid coupled with the in-state revolts against the unions and taxes bodes well for the Republicans. She needs a second wind, and barring an unheard of economic expansion and total implosion by the right, its very unlikely.

129 Sorry that should say it's not the message machine, it's the asshole delivering it.

Posted by: Mal at March 20, 2010 11:53 AM (Z+qzA)

FIFY.

130

Posted by: Dick Cheney at March 20, 2010 11:52 AM (PRm1Y)

--Wow, we have the former VPOTUS posting here! What an honor!

131 125 6 Wouldn't it be funny if they'd just say they'll vote for it, let DragonLady call for the vote and then they vote against it?  There's a mutiny I'd like to see..... Stillwater..I,ve had the same thought..for days..and i pray it happens Also praying for that scenario.  And it's what I'd do if I had that raving hell-hag bothering me 24/7. Can u imagine..having to be around that lying Bitch for any extended amount of time  Posted by: ATEXAN   You know, I would absolutely love to see this happen also. A major kick in that Botoxed hag-face. Gov. Huckabee on FOX has said it correctly in the last 24 hrs about the 'lesser' Congressmembers. They have been pretty much held hostage down there in DC, away from their districts and the fact the majority of the people they represent are yelling at them to do their damn jobs and vote NO on this thing. Huck is calling it The Stockholm Syndrome ... where the captive become aligned with their captors and start seeing things they way they do. On many levels this whole process has been a lesson on how we have willingly lost control of the government WE are supposed to be running. But even more so, it's a lesson in how our government in DC has completely lost touch and contact with We The People.

132 Kudlow with Rick Lazio

I want to get your reaction to one big ominibus bill (levy's idea)

Lazio:  You have to go out and do things you can do without legislative approval.  Cause Shelly silver is really in charge.  Lazio thinks Levy's idea is a credible idea.
You need legislative approval to get he kind of impoundment that you need.
You can certainly go after the 42 billion dollar medicade budget.  The commonents of the budget 65% health care, education, debt service, head count are killing NY.

Medicade the primary issue.  It has the biggest base of losses and growing at an unsustainable rate.   We need to harmonize the reimbursement rates.  The rates are off by 2 or 3 hundred percent.   Finally we need to aggressively go after the fraud.

Lazio, you have to go after wages and here is the problem.   They've got contracts.  The majority of contracts are up for negotiation 4 months after the governor takes office.  We need to go back and revisist pensions.  Productivity.  We need to reduce the size of the state empoloyee workforce.   We need to drive that headcount down.

Kudlow is saying "isn't there a way to freeze and roll back".   Isn't it time for something like a ten percent cutback across the board in the volume of government wages"   "If we get the legal authority we can do the emergency powers.  Even if you get concessions

We cannot afford the government we have and we are losing our tax base.  We have lsot 500,00 private sector workers this year.  Jobs are leaving, people are leaving and when they leave we have a smaller tax base than we would already have.  
Kudlow:  "NYS tax 9.87% and if you live in the city you are over 12%.   City, State and Federal you are well through 50% on your tax rate."

Lazio:  "We need a 2$ property tax cap.  We have got to create the discipline to drive down the local taxes.  When I am governor I will veto any new mandate that doesn't come with a check from the state.  Need to drive down corporate taxes.  We need to send the signal that we understand why business has left and we have fixed our ways."

didn't hear the rest of the Kudlow interview cause I was called away.

However, Kudlow was very hard on Lazio and very gracious with Levy.  It was obvious he was favoring Levy.   He then came back from the break and said he was thankful for the interview and likes them both and is not in favor of either.  so I guess I wasn't the only one who figured out he was pro Levy.

Someone I respect told me "no one likes Lazio" and that "Cumo will eat Lazio alive since he lost so badly to Hillary when he was winning"

Levy had a lot of general ideas and Lazio had a lot more specific ideas.  Kudlow chastised Lazio when he tried to say that Levy was upstate when a huge tax increase went through and that Levy voted for that tax increase.  Kudlow said "can we pleas have a clean campaign and not bring up stuff from year's ago"....it was at that point that we knew Kudlow took sides and was favoring Levy.  lazio was absolutely right to bring up that point, Levy has been in the state government and his record there should be on the table, not just his Suffolk County record.

So now Kudlow has to keep saying "I'm not taking sides"...but he already did, you can't take it back Larry and it was disappointing for this regular listener.

133 Here's a primary question that just popped into my head watching Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) going on and on about all the people who don't have insurance. How is this any of their freaking business in the first place? Why is this a federal matter? Kensington, this is definitely the correct question to ask. But with all due respect, it has been THE primary question all along. "None of their freaking business" is the whole point of the tea parties, the town hall uprisings, the entire massive pushback against this thing.

134 Strategically, I think the pro-choicers bungled it. Abortion has never been paid for by public funds; why do they insist on it now?

*pondering*

Maybe they need a reason to vote against the bill. That would aid them with pro-abortion voters AND with fiscal conservatives.

Should we say "well played"?

135 Strategically, I think the pro-choicers bungled it. Abortion has never been paid for by public funds; why do they insist on it now?

They have to have at least one issue they can use to call themselves "Blue Dogs" on. After all, the press can not continue to call them "moderates" like that commie from GA-2 when they have an ACU rating for the last two years of 8 and 4.

136 Anyone watching the D-bag MIT Economics Prof on CSPAN?

137 I guess this is as good as any place to confess..I didn,t do my part..I set and did nothing while our liberties were slowly chipped away, and now awaken to this Big Rattfuck we are in. But i,m awake now as most of you others are..and feel no matter how the vote goes..America will not become a 3rd world country, this may take a little time..so i,ve told myself..i,m not going to give up..till every one of these so called progressive SOB,s are out of our Government..and the Constitution is again the law of the land.

138 It's so funny.  NY complains about down state but from what I just heard from Levy and Lazio, upstate is a total disastrous mess, heading toward a detroit like scenario.  So, probably what is keeping them propped up is all those down staters working their butts off and paying enormous taxes at all levels.

The callers are finally attacking Shoomer.  They are questioning if he is only involved in his DC power trip cause he "seems to have forgotten about the needs and desires of regular NYer's, his constituency".  the up staters are particularly upset with Chuck as he made a huge deal of building some factory upstate for some company and then the company never came to the state.  He has to be voted out.

139

Lindsey Graham wants amnesty for illegals like this murderer who lived off of federal subsidies.

 

140

@138 --  Welcome to the fold, ATEXAN. 

141 I found this little gem in Fox's "Speaker's Lobby:

The forecast is for 74 degrees and sunny. The cherry blossoms along the Tidal Basin are on the verge of erupting into a sea of pink.

Since I posted that my peach trees were running about three weeks late on blooming this year I thought I would check on Washington's cherry trees.  Yes they are running late as well.

Ain't that global warming something else.

BTW, I have a cherry tree and it hasn't even started to bud yet and DC is quiet a ways North of me.

142 At Least 25,000 Protesters Descend on Congress to Protest Obamacare; UPDATE: Pics Added From Rally http://bit.ly/9ESUp9

143 I wish that witch hadn't said tens of thousands.  She put that in the mind of the reps and when they didn't see it, those idiots assumed Americans were for the bill.  They don't stop and think that the economy is bad and a trip to DC is tough for most Americans who are trying to keep their jobs, pay their bills and take care of their own kids.

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