March 10, 2010
Rangel: "Nothing is Going to Be Changed"
— Gabriel Malor And he says he won't agree to a promise now for action later.
Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak said yesterday at a townhall in his home state, "I'm more optimistic than I was a week ago" that a deal could be reached to pass a health care bill that bans public funding of abortion. Some speculated that this meant Stupak was ready to cave. "Obviously they donÂ’t know me," Stupak said in an interview this afternoon with THE WEEKLY STANDARD. "If I didnÂ’t" cave in November, "why would I do it now after all the crap IÂ’ve been through?"[...]
Stupak affirmed that he will not settle for an agreement to pass the bill now and fix the bill's problems on abortion later: "If they say 'weÂ’ll give you a letter saying we'll take care of this later,' thatÂ’s not acceptable because later never comes."
Stupak highlighted other problems with the bill: The president's proposal has not been translated into legislative language and it still leaves some special deals in place. "If you look at the PresidentÂ’s proposal," Stupak said, "it says that the Cornhusker agreement is out, but the Louisiana Purchase is in."
Feel the Nomentum, Bart!
UPDATE: And there's this little gem buried in a Daily Caller report:
Rangel, in an interview after the Democratic caucus meeting, said the abortion issue “didn’t come up.”“Nothing’s going to be changed,” Rangel said. “There’s no room to change it. Not now.”
Pelosi, a California Democrat, continued to send the message that abortion should not be such a prominent issue in the haggling over getting health care reform passed.
“We’re going to have a bill. It’s about health care,” she said.
Translation: there will be no deal.
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Posted by: PaleRider at March 10, 2010 05:19 AM (gO/Tg)
Posted by: Reiver at March 10, 2010 05:20 AM (Yi1Sk)
Pelosi tells Rahm to quit it with the deadlines. She doesn't have the votes.....yet.
Posted by: Mord at March 10, 2010 05:20 AM (tTj19)
Other things that would put you in a good mood:
Cisco's newly unveiled CSR-3 router;
Corey Haim, dead @38
Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 05:23 AM (0Hn5w)
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 10, 2010 05:25 AM (flcpl)
Thanks Democrats. After a year of your lies, pimp deals, and political jujitsu we all need whiplash insurance. Can we get that for FREEEEEE?
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 10, 2010 05:25 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: torabora at March 10, 2010 05:26 AM (pEjB6)
I think he's waiting for some of Obama's stash to land in his district.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 10, 2010 05:27 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 05:28 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: lincolntf at March 10, 2010 05:29 AM (cGaVN)
Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at March 10, 2010 05:29 AM (0vjoi)
AP: Poll: 68% Now Oppose Passing ObamaCare without Republican Support.
Doesn't matter. The dems don't seem to care about the polls and public opinion this time.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 10, 2010 05:30 AM (0fzsA)
Pelosi may be asking the White-House to ut-upshay on the deadlines, but the fact remains, she's still working against the clock.
Perhaps everyone is waiting to see what these proposed fixes look like, but its highly unlikely that they're going to break new ground or convince anyone on the fence.
With it becoming increasingly obvious that she isn't going to be Speaker anymore come November, her power is waning.
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 05:31 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: maddogg at March 10, 2010 05:32 AM (OlN4e)
This has been out there but not played up that much due to the fact that it only approximates what Charles Krauthammer (that guy's been a little squishy lately, imo. But I digress) calls "social" vs socialist healthcare - what social healthcare will eventually become due to the mind numbing effects of socialism on a person's interest in experiencing actually being alive.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 10, 2010 05:33 AM (r1h5M)
Wow..a post at 9:15 AM??
I'm surprised that any of the cob loggers are awake....and not too hungover to type something coherent
Posted by: beedubya at March 10, 2010 05:33 AM (AnTyA)
Short interpretation:
Nancy told Stupak that it was OK, since they didn't need his vote and he can go back to lying.
Why should we ever trust the Blue Dogs? They are nothing but scumbags and frauds.
Posted by: TexasJew at March 10, 2010 05:36 AM (M+vso)
The disastrous uh policies of the past [look left] decade uh contributed to this incredible [look right] uh tragedy. My, uh, plan for [look left] healthcare reform could have uh prevented this. [wag finger] The time for dying is over. [hold for applause]
Posted by: Barry O at March 10, 2010 05:37 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: Waste93 at March 10, 2010 05:38 AM (KHM8y)
Posted by: maddogg at March 10, 2010 05:39 AM (OlN4e)
Stupak is a distraction. He won't be needed after other No votes flip. There is plenty of stimulus money available for Pelosi's "lobbying" efforts and everyone has a price. I can vouch for that.
Posted by: Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) at March 10, 2010 05:42 AM (UNW+D)
Posted by: TexBob at March 10, 2010 05:44 AM (2jp4I)
Sean Penn is walking talking inoperable rectal cancer.
Penn ye dried up rectal communist - wants communism for us, but his hollywood wealth shields him from participating in the luxuries of communism himself.
Screw Sean Penn and the donkey he rode in on.
Dictator Chavez can suck my BBD.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 10, 2010 05:45 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: DaveyNC at March 10, 2010 05:46 AM (1WyZe)
Posted by: DaveyNC at March 10, 2010 05:50 AM (1WyZe)
Just when you thought he could not get any worse in the RINO department Lindsey Graham outdoes himself on the healthscam debacle trying for a new gang of 14 sellout:
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 05:50 AM (QrA9E)
Reminds me of my kids when they were adolescents. Thought if they kept whining about something Mom and Dad would finally wear down and give in.
Posted by: Reiver at March 10, 2010 05:52 AM (Yi1Sk)
Roll Call is already trying to play up Kildee's statement to hurt the Stupak 12.
It is smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: wtfci at March 10, 2010 05:53 AM (+zo63)
That's sad. I actually liked him, and he's a part of my youth. But on an upbeat note, I had Robert Pattinson in Weasel's death pool, and Corey Haim was in Lost Boys, a vampire movie. So, I feel like my intuition is getting warm.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 10, 2010 05:54 AM (mHQ7T)
“We’re going to have a bill. It’s about health care,” she said.
Pathetic, sad or repetitive psychosis?
The best outcome in November? This person loses her Air Force jet.
Posted by: The 1974 Greek Junta at March 10, 2010 05:54 AM (B+qrE)
Just saying that if a guy whose been under deaths shadow for the last 25 years can finally kick the bucket then the zombie health care bill has a chance too.
Besides, I have zero sympathy for a guy who spent decades as an addict.
Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 05:55 AM (0Hn5w)
In practice its probably over now.
The only question is when Pelosi and Obama are going to admit it.
"Never" is a reasonable possibility, though unless they cram in a vote, I think they're probably going to have to issue some sort of deliberately ambiguous statement conceding defeat after the Easter break.
They won't explicitly admit its over, but they'll start to say things like "healthcare reform is still being worked on, but at the moment other legislative efforts are taking priority".
The Dems just aren't going to want this issue still hanging over their heads coming into the fall elections, and after them they won't have a snowballs chance in hell of passing anything anyway.
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 05:55 AM (6Q9g2)
Pelosi is far too radioactive to twist arms for votes. She's a ticking timebomb in close House races. Incumbents cannot attach themselves to her. If they do they lose.
I doubt Pelosi knows this. Yesterday her statement to the National Coalition of Counties is yet another campaign ad. She's cutting campaign ads for the NRCC and every single challenger in the country.
"We have to pass this bill to find out what's in it."
That is comedy gold.
Posted by: wtfci at March 10, 2010 05:58 AM (+zo63)
Posted by: frode at March 10, 2010 05:58 AM (TdgA9)
Posted by: rockhead at March 10, 2010 05:59 AM (RykTt)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 10, 2010 06:00 AM (b68Df)
I pray every single day for God to save the republic and save us from these evil creatures.
Posted by: Twinks at March 10, 2010 06:00 AM (wRPBa)
Instead of "abort," can we change the language to "tickle?"
Posted by: Eric "Coochie Coochie Coo" Massa at March 10, 2010 06:04 AM (GwPRU)
Senator Reid has created the impossible for Pelosi. He's overplayed his hand and now the bill is stuck. Yes votes on Pelosicare are now No votes on Reidcare.
I could be wrong, but I think the chances of the House passing the Senate bill are about as likely as Rahm resigning before November.
Posted by: wtfci at March 10, 2010 06:08 AM (+zo63)
Posted by: Mal at March 10, 2010 06:12 AM (Z+qzA)
Don't worry. Pelosi has two choices here:
a. Admit that with a massive House majority and a Senate supermajority, on her personal signature issue, the wet dream of every Liberal for the last 30 years, with Mr. Nobel-winning Hope-n-Change behind her, after expending all of her political capital, she *still* couldn't get it done, or
b. Act like passage is inevitable and keep kicking that dead horse.
She's picking "b".
Again, if she thought she had the votes to pass this, the Senate bill would already be law.
Also, Pelosi, et al, have been working on this for nearly a year already. All the arms that can be twisted have probably ALREADY been twisted. So far as I know so far there have been no public defections from the "no" camp to the "yes" camp, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that either her or the President's rhetoric has convinced anyone to change their minds.
Again, her political capital is drying up and time is NOT on her side here. The longer this drags on, the less likely it is to pass.
On Stupak, he may have assembled a coalition of 12 "no" votes on the abortion issue, but for at least some of them, that might just be cover to flip their votes anyway. So even stipulating that the abortion issue gets fixed (which it probably won't), that still may represent a net loss of votes here.
Remember, Pelosi's margin right now is either zero, or less than zero.
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 06:13 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: joncelli at March 10, 2010 06:16 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 10, 2010 06:20 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: willow at March 10, 2010 06:24 AM (7FgWm)
"Joncelli, please follow that with a silver bullet, and garlic smashed between it's pages."
And a bullet to it's zombie head, incinerate, and bury under Doom Mountain.
Posted by: Van Helsing at March 10, 2010 06:31 AM (ucq49)
She ain't got the votes.
Posted by: GarandFan at March 10, 2010 06:31 AM (6mwMs)
I don't think she has the votes, never had the votes, won't ever get the votes -- she's the walking dead and the rest are soon to be, unless they start selling each other out. Expended their political capital too much, too soon, and too quickly.
At least that's my cautiously optimistic take on this. Better add "crucify the infernal thing and then stone it to death at the gates of the city" to the list of ways the healthcare bill must be offed; this thing seems to have more lives than a black cat.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 10, 2010 06:45 AM (5/yRG)
"...There's over 8 months until elections...."
But there isn't 8 months until the elections. Texas has already had it's primary, and there are a ton of other states with primaries in the next couple of months. I take your point that Crazy Nancy and Presnint Milli Vanilli could, if they wanted, keep talking about this right up until election day (and beyond, if they wanted), but the players who want to get elected, or more importantly, re-elected, have to know that they have to get this Healthcare Reform Debacle behind them one way or the other, so they can get about to their real business--keeping their jobs. And, given that the knucklehead D's failed to do the really smart thing last fall--let this thing die then--they have to do this now.
Posted by: azlibertarian at March 10, 2010 06:51 AM (fGtbP)
Parties aren't forever; the Democrats could go the way of the Federalists and Whigs after these shenanigans.
Posted by: JB at March 10, 2010 06:55 AM (p1E+l)
In order for it to be forgotton before the elections they would have had to get it done before the fall of last year. Even with the help of the lying MSM the public will not forget by this Nov.
In short, it is too late for the Dems. The big question is will the Repubs be able to benefit by it or will they continue to roll over and ask for another.
Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 07:00 AM (QrA9E)
Oh wait, before the last one, they have to start banning and confiscating all weapons.
Sigh.
We are so screwed.
Posted by: shibumi at March 10, 2010 07:17 AM (OKZrE)
No, it's Obama. After Brown's election, this was over. Even Reid knew it, but Obama couldn't be told "no" so here we are.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 10, 2010 07:18 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 10, 2010 07:30 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 10, 2010 07:32 AM (ucq49)
If helps any, here is the congressional schedule:
Recesses: March 29 - April 11; May 31 - June 6; July 5 - July 11; August 9 - September 12
Congress takes lots of holidays. I'm beginning to see that as a good thing.
The scheduled date for the adjournment of the House is October 8.
My take is that if this thing can be held off until August 9, it's pretty much over. I don't think anybody in the House will want to campaign for Obamacare just before reelection. I hope that this makes it easier to put up with than an eight month grind until November 2.
Posted by: RayJ at March 10, 2010 07:58 AM (//Bcg)
68 Look at it this way: if healthscam gets defeated, then crap n' tax and amnesty will be easier battles...and with the way our precedent is getting wee wee'd (if he doesn't get his way he's going to punish the American people by not doing a damn thing as far as the economy or national security is concerned) they could be dead before they start.
There are consequences to actions -- if P-lousy and the precedential kid have decided to throw a temper tantrum over healthscam (that's certainly the way it's beginning to appear); they could end up destroying their party as well as themselves (hopefully the country can be saved from going down with them). It does however perhaps provide the opportunity down the road to rid this country of the traitors within its boundaries, or at least one can hope.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 10, 2010 07:59 AM (5/yRG)
8 I don't want to become disappointed so I remain cautiouly pessimistic.
I'M Cautiously Pessimistic!
Posted by: Cautiously Sparticus at March 10, 2010 08:01 AM (pZEar)
Doesn't matter. The dems don't seem to care about the polls and public opinion this time.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 10, 2010 09:30 AM (0fzsA)
They're on a mission from God. Well, not God exactly but from Karl Marx. Same thing really.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 10, 2010 08:05 AM (xxgag)
Again, time is working against the Democrats to pass this, not for them. The climate to pass this isn't going to improve over the next few months, let alone going into election season.
Their best chance is to try to ram this thing through right after the "Presidential" fix-draft comes out, and that means in the next few weeks. If they can't get it done before the coming April/Easter recess, there is virtually no way they'll be able to get it done after that break is done.
Realistically, Pelosi probably is NEVER going to have the votes necessary to pass this in the bag. I think rather than gamble on a vote that is likely to fail and embarrass her, Pelosi will just leave this issue on the backburner until her time is up.
So (like cap and trade) there may not be real "closure" on this until after the elections, even though the political reality is that the Dems probably only have a few more weeks to actually pass it.
#70 "Cap and trade" is effectively DOA in the Senate already. The reason there hasn't been a Senate vote on it is because it wouldn't pass, and that was even with the now-gone Dem supermajority.
I suppose Amnesty is a possibility, in the sense that the Obama adminstration hasn't tried to tackle immigration reform yet. Still, I'm not that worried about it. With something like 70% of the public against it, amnesty itself is *highly* unpopular, even more so than gov't takeover of healthcare. With such a poisonous feature, its questionable that a comprehensive immigration reform package could muster a winning coalition including amnesty.
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 08:53 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: steve at March 10, 2010 09:07 AM (glQ/d)
""Cap and trade" is effectively DOA in the Senate already."
Crap & Tax, Scene I is dead. Scene II was being rewritten two months ago, and looked like it had better chances.
Fear not. Linseed Gwaham, with his mentor John McLame in the shadows, started on Scene II about three months ago. It's got enough drillin' and old utility exemptions to pull in enough RINOs.
It's scarier than before, having any chance of passing.
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