I'm feeling like this.

from Laura Ingraham via tweeter: 

If Obama had 1/2 the courage he's imploring Dems to muster, he'd speak directly to the large angry crowd gathered outside Congress

Someone update this list

Yes votes in November now undecided:
Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), , Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ), John Tierney (MA-6).

No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Pro choice? You mean pro-dismembering infants in the womb?

Pro-life conservatives are more principaled. These are democrats so it's a 50-50 chance that they have any integrity at all.

Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 05:14 PM (etgVC)

They are.  These are Democrats and they lie.

Almost all of the Stupakers are in strong GOP districts.  The two-step is simple.  You're a hardcore lefty but you burnish some characteristic that makes you look more moderate or even conservative.  For some, it's a military history.  For others, it's a claim to be pro-life.

The pro-life thing is a gimme anyway.  When abortion does come up, it's very rare.  They can vote (or more likely just blather) pro-life and then voila, instant right-wing credentials.

But, but, Pelosi is a good Catholic!

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Updates:  

Yes votes in November now undecided:
Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), , Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ), John Tierney (MA-6).

No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Updates:  

Yes votes in November now undecided:
Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), , Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ), John Tierney (MA-6).

No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Tierney as well!

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 20, 2010 05:05 PM (muUqs)

You mean, when House Republicans voted for the Stupak Amendment?  If your theory is that by voting against the Stupak Amendment, the House Republicans would have triggered the bill's defeat at the hands of the Stupak 12, then the fact that 6 of those 12 are voting for the Senate bill in violation of their own "pro-life principles" kind of knocks that argument down.  As Techie says above, they're Democrats, and the odds are they will sacrifice any principle for partisan gain.  The fact the House Republicans backed up Stupak previously is the only reason that Stupak still has five other Dems on his team willing to stand against the Senate bill.

Yes, but there are now THREE things that are going to be voted on: Rules, Amendments, and the Senate Bill.  WHICH one of these has all of these "switched" votes?  I'd be willing to bet that the switches aren't on the original Senate bill - they're trying to fake us out.

If someone who is keeping tabs on the votes wants to be serious, they really need to have separate tallies for each bill.  The whole reason they were going the deem-and-pass route in the first place was precisely because they couldn't get the votes for the Senate bill as it stands. 

Passing an amendments bill isn't going to change that one bit - the amendments bill still has to go through the Senate, and they will NEVER bring it up for discussion....

Get on the phone and fax lines and let them know what this means, ASAP -

Posted by: arhooley at March 20, 2010 05:37 PM (etgVC)

But not murdering the innocent? Interesting. You must have a personal history that makes you go there.

Posted by: bob at March 20, 2010 05:30 PM (u6p6X)

Bob, are you done down there on the 'puter, luv? I miss you...

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2010 05:15 PM (Qpll4)

Indianapolis local radio reporting DONNELLY is a YES.

These people want their dadburn pinko America....and we want ours.

It makes me wish we could reorganize the government so we would be under one foreign policy and military policy, but have seperate domestic policy for red state and blue state America.

Yes votes in November now undecided:
Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), , Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ), John Tierney (MA-6).

No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Aren't the pro-lifers doing the cause well today?! (pssst...I'm pro-life too)

Marie, Chrisoph, you're both  cunts.

That will be all.

Yes votes in November now undecided:
Mike Capuano (MA-8 ), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Bill Foster (IL-14), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), , Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), ), John Tierney (MA-6).

No votes in November now undecided:
Brian Baird (WA-3), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ).

Stupak bloc of "no" votes remaining:
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Jerry Costello (IL-12), ), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1),  Dan Lipinski (IL-3).

Zack Space (OH-18 NO

I agree, both of my kids were born around 34 weeks premature due to my wife having gestational diabetes..they were both perfectly healthy, luckily..soon after birth, as I talked to them I could tell they recognized my voice.....

Too bad that infants born into Obamacare won't have the same chance.

These people want their dadburn pinko America....and we want ours.

It makes me wish we could reorganize the government so we would be under one foreign policy and military policy, but have seperate domestic policy for red state and blue state America.

I don't support secession, because, first of all, it wouldn't end the issue, since the blue states would constantly be trying to reconquer the red states; but more importantly, because even the most left-wing states have a large minority of Republican voters.

No, I want to end their control everywhere, no matter how many of them we have to kill to do it.  They've had their day in the sun; now it's our turn.

 Jane D'oh at March 20, 2010 05:46 PM

Yeah, I don't hit my children except to keep them out of danger (swat on the diapered rump of a two year old heading for the street) until they are 15, bigger and taller and think they can smart off in your face. Then I yell at them for hurting my hand. They end up laughing.

Christoph, toxic shock syndrome is a serious medical condition.

Best to change your tampon, stat.

Question...   if this POS passes.

What are the options?   Republican control of both houses and not fund it?

Lawsuits?  States opt out and it doesnt matter?

Republican President in 2012 and its all repealed?

Christoph: Go away. You are obviously enjoying manipulating everyone. You are no more Pro-life than Pelosi. Atheists usually aren't.

Don't let him goad you folks, he is doing it for his own amusement

Posted by: phoenixrisen at March 20, 2010 05:41 PM (74DQm)

Where did you hear that?

The bottom line is that voters have to be smarter. They can't allow themselves to be lied to. They get lied to during campaigns about Pro Life and fiscal sanity, and then the left wingers they vote for do a 180 and vote to kill babies and sack the treasury. Then more often than not, they vote them back in.

We can't recover with this going on. I hope it changes.

quit fighting with each other over the abortion issue.  it solves nothing here.  work to change whatever laws that offend you.  work for candidates that represent your ideology.  move to Virginia where we have probably the most rabid anti-abortion AG in the history of the world.

but quit fussing here.  we have a long haul in front of us until November.  we need to stay together.

Hi Dipshits!

How's my strap-on feeling now? You think my toadies in the House give two shits about anything but payola?  Re-election--please. We jerrymandered the people out of the picture before I needed a facelift. Nice little tap-dance that Stupak and his shills did for the mackerel snappers. They know what I look like in leather if you get my drift.

And how's that Deem'n Scream schtick playing for you rubes in fly-over country? Got all in a lather, did you? Harry and I laughed our asses off. Hell, the dumb ass in the Oval Office got so scared he pissed himself, so we invited his teleprompter down to buck up the boys--know what I mean.

Well, now that you are (as always) well and truly screwed, I invite you to collectively kiss my saggy and leathery ass. You know you want to.

Kisses,

Nan

My question is:  why are some of you so willing to surrender?

I realize that it's more likely this will pass than not.  That said, we have four boxes on which to stand:  the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. 

We are not giving up our soap box, and we will be able to use the ballot box next November.  The jury box (or judges) is still in play, with states refusing to cooperate, and of course there are 100 million Americans with cartridge boxes out there.

Open up your mental horizons.

I don't think it would be repealed for political reasons. However, the only way this could happen is with concurrent strong majorities in both houses and, again, politically I think it would be hard to summon up the will.

It would be like "repealing" social security, but harder. Way easier said than done regardless of the objective merits of the underlying program.

Sorry, I don't need nor want unhinged lunatics like Marie and Chrissy on my team come voting time.

If I wanted to embrace the crazy I'd be voting for the Democrat in the first place.

Question...   if this POS passes.What are the options?   Republican control of both houses and not fund it?Lawsuits?  States opt out and it doesnt matter?  Republican President in 2012 and its all repealed?

Christoph-------------------GO AWAY------

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 05:59 PM (ympF

No, it's 72 hours after the CBO report.

First comment here ever.

As I read these comments, my ITunes goes to AC/DC "Fire your guns"......  

I count on no improperly named "Democrats" to stand for liberty, for individualism.  I don't expect that they've even read the Constitution.

I don't think average citizens need to have read the Constitution to understand when their individualism has been stepped on.  They know it has been now.

I expect average citizens to stand up for their own liberty, for their own individualism, and I wont be disappointed, regardless of this vote.  If this passes, our fight has to turn toward repeal.

Fire your guns.

A Govt takeover of health care has been the Dems main priority forever.  Once it passes, IT IS LAW and cannot be repealed.  All the GOP can do now is win some boobyprize sloppy seconds house and senate seats in the fall, which they will.  The war is over and the Dems kicked the GOP's ass.

Hey, Bob.  Whatever you do, never, never walk across my sight picture.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 20, 2010 06:04 PM (ympF

Good point.  If they're voting on the Senate bill, they could do it now.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 20, 2010 05:35 PM (muUqs)

Well, there were two ways to go last November.

1) Republicans take a tactical vote against the Stupak Amendment.  Stupak and his people have therefore no hope of getting their anti-abortion language in the final bill... so (for half a dozen of them at least) the temptation to cave becomes stronger, not weaker.  Further, Pelosi has plenty more negotiating room with the pro-choicers who are ecstatic that the Stupak Amendment has been deep-sixed.  And the Senate doesn't have to deal with abortion funding restrictions, since the House failed to include any.

2) Republicans vote for the Stupak Amendment.  Pelosi nevertheless manages to get the pro-choicers to swallow it (arguing that it's essentially the status quo of prohibiting Federally funded abortions) and sends a bill to the Senate that can't pass with the abortion funding restrictions intact.  And we get to this point, where the Dems have had to go through every bizarre trick they could think of to avoid passing the Senate bill.

Put it this way: if Pelosi can get it passed now, there is no reason to believe that scenario (1) would have led to the bill losing in the House in November.

273 One reason it could be repealed is that the benefits don't start til after the 2012 elections, the taxes start immediately.

Wait?  Taxes?  But I make under $100,000 and I got a promise from Obama there would be no taxes.

You know if this thing really passes, I am going to laugh my ass off

at all the obamabot youngsters who are screaming about being forced to spend their money on health insurance instead of latte's LMAO!

 If they were about to use demonpass and reconciliation, why the hell do you think they would give a flying fuck about a 72 hour timetable? She wouldnt dare risk anyone having second thoughts...

My thoughts exactly.

Mantra for November:

REPEAL AND IMPEACH

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 20, 2010 06:17 PM (muUqs)

Thanks! Stuck in a thread too long.

If this monster gets through the Congressional Cabal, it will be my pleasure to serve on a Federal Jury or Federal Grand Jury.

Amazingly, during pre-trial discovery, I will "deem" the defendant not guilty of the crime, provided it's not murder or rape.  Something innocuous to liberals such as bribery, misfeasance, malfeasance, suborning perjury, theft, and especially defrauding the IRS will be deemed a non-offense and the accused party should be released without prejudice.

Fuck Obama and all other liberal-progressives who have damaged our Constitution. 

 The co bloggers tell us it's over, then we have hope, then it's deserted us...will someone please make up their fucking mind before I go fucking insane?

^{/Extreme cases call for extreme language}

That's okay, dear.  Now, how many fingers am I holding up?

Sharon, what you just wrote has been running through my head for months. I actually thought that I would rather have been born 100 years ago. I am 27. That way I could have seen the ascent of America, as oppose to now as I grow older I will see the decline of America. It is a sad thought for me.

Of course, it ain't over til it's over and I will keep calling and fighting this bill til the end, and then the next monstrosity they try to ram down our throats too.

306, sure it all depends on who the 3 R's are. If we had 3 Sarah Palin clones, I guarantee they would not be voting for any of this Obama crap. 3 more Olympia Snowes, and well then thats bad, but gotta give the GOP SOME credit this time for holding firm. Even the Maine sisters said no way to this crap bill.

If we do have a constitutional amendment, we need to change the law-making process as follows:

For ten years after a bill is passed, it can be overturned by a simple majority of both houses of Congress, without the President's signature.  This can only apply to the bill in full.  It may not be partially repealed or amended with this procedure.  This amendment will not apply to declarations of war [since the President is Commander in Chief and should not be constrained by fear of Congressional surrender].

With this amendment in place there will be no "final" vote on socialized medicine, etc. since repeal can be credibly brought up immediately.

UPDATE 3:11 p.m. ET: Now hearing that “deem and pass” is dead, and a D.C. source tells me that pro-lifers aren’t buying the executive order pitch, rumors of which had been heard earlier this week. However, the fact that leadership is even talking about such a far-fetched maneuver means that Pelosi still doesn’t have enough votes to pass the bill.

Sharon, what you just wrote has been running through my head for months. I actually thought that I would rather have been born 100 years ago. I am 27. That way I could have seen the ascent of America, as oppose to now as I grow older I will see the decline of America. It is a sad thought for me.

Of course, it ain't over til it's over and I will keep calling and fighting this bill til the end, and then the next monstrosity they try to ram down our throats too.

cheers to being born a 100 years ago..i,ve had that thought a long time..been trying to turn my sportbike into a time machine and hope to come out on the other side on a purdy appaloosa

Dan, I feel your pain.  My mother-in-law has told me more than once that I was more suited for the '50s than today.  This is the greatest nation on Earth!  Why can't our elected officials see that?  Why do they want to destroy  this great land?  It is so incomprehensible.  God bless you, Dan.  And you keep fighting the good fight. 

My mother-in-law is watching the kids tonight, so hubby and I can actually go on a date.  I am so looking forward to it... Need to go get ready...  I am so thankful to have AoSHQ and Hot Air to speak my mind and hear other patriots speak theirs... I learn so much from (and am so grateful) for all of you folks here (except the trolls).  Take care all.   I'll be checking in later, I'm sure!  I can't seem to get away from the computer this week.  Have just been living, eating and breathing politics, because this bill is so huge and devastating.  I'm not giving up yet though! 

If you vote for abortion, you're a murderer of children. That's. Just. The. Way. It. Is.

You know, I already work outside the U.S., in a country that actually seems to function very well with considerably lower taxation. The more I see of this damned POR left-wing idiocy from America, the less I want to come back. That a stupid, lying, corrupt/criminal son of a bitch like Obastard could get elected President speaks volumes about how easily manipulated dumb Americans are. The Republicans are cretinous incompetent fools and the Democrats are the incarnation of baby-murdering evil. Great choices we've got, aren't they?