December 20, 2010

Sunspot Activity Predicts Lower Temperatures
— Ace

At Watts Up With That, correlating solar cycles with global temperatures. The two are oddly congruent, which we know must be a complete coincidence.

One of my favorite commenter quotes ever. Forget who said it, but I don't forget the line:

If... only there were some natural mechanism for explaining the warming and cooling of the earth.

It would have to be unreasonably large, however -- on the scale of our own sun.

One thing I notice in this post (which, frankly, mostly escapes me) is that the scientist writing it makes actual predictions by which his theory can be judged correct, incorrect, or correct but incomplete.

Remember when scientists used to do that? When they used to bother with the third and fourth step of the scientific method? Good times, good times.

Thanks to SJ.

Posted by: Ace at 09:50 AM | Comments (61)
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1

So it's not my Navigator?

Posted by: Soothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 20, 2010 09:51 AM (uFokq)

2 Loose shit, Ace.  Loose shit.

Posted by: CUS at December 20, 2010 09:53 AM (wOGfT)

3

What is obvious is that it is too late.

The world canÂ’t be saved Â… by politicians.

The window of opportunity for politicians to do something, anything, that would allow them to take credit for the cooler temperatures is now long past. Nature has done it without them.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (tvs2p)

4 It's all slanted, all of it . . . .

Posted by: Jimmuy at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (BOkC/)

5
in b4...

but July 11-14 2010 was the hottest summer on record!

Posted by: Soothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (uFokq)

6 This blog is slanted.

Posted by: zmdavid at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (BQ4MG)

7 You clearly slant to the right, Ace.

Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (wZUIr)

8 Italicized for your viewing pleasure.

Posted by: Dave C at December 20, 2010 09:54 AM (4PMdF)

9 Wow, this must be one really important post.  Look at all the emphasis.

OTOH- I wonder if we'll ever hear how the predictions turn out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 09:55 AM (8y9MW)

10 Whenever this blog goes to All Italics, it just means Ace is really fucking excited.

Posted by: Pavel at December 20, 2010 09:56 AM (bRdb3)

11 The Sun contributes to the Earth's temperature?  Perish the thought, Ace!  It's obvious you've and WUWT been bought off by Big Oil and Big Coal !!!eleventy!!!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 20, 2010 09:56 AM (9hSKh)

12 Sure would have been nice if ze Office Meterological had notified me of zis Dalton Minimum zing before I set off for ze Moscow. 

Posted by: Napolean Bonaparte at December 20, 2010 09:56 AM (3ll0O)

13 but, but, but ... science in rightful place, waters receding, and shit ... 

Posted by: jc at December 20, 2010 10:01 AM (i8c5b)

14 The Leaning Tower of Text.

Posted by: The Q at December 20, 2010 10:01 AM (2dOeM)

Posted by: Temporal Lurker at December 20, 2010 10:01 AM (ASIf3)

16 Sure would have been nice if ze Office Meterological had notified me of zis Dalton Minimum zing before I set off for ze Moscow. 

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Adolph Hitler at December 20, 2010 10:01 AM (wOGfT)

17 I dont remember who made that quote either, but I used it as my sig for email for quite awhile. I think I had it quoted as anonymous...if I remember right.

Posted by: lowfibass at December 20, 2010 10:02 AM (T1ZAZ)

Posted by: Mervis Winter at December 20, 2010 10:02 AM (nF4Jh)

19 OT - Religion of Peace!

Harry Potter star 'beaten after meeting non-Muslim man'

Victim Afshan Azad, 22, played Padma Patil, a classmate of the teenage wizard, in the blockbuster Hollywood films based on the children's books by JK Rowling.

She was assaulted and branded a ''prostitute'' after meeting a young Hindu man, a relationship which brought anger from her father, Abul Azad, 53, and brother, Ashraf, 28, Manchester Crown Court heard.

May Afshan be protected from her own family.  The story only notes the religion of the Azad family in the last half of the story. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 20, 2010 10:02 AM (9hSKh)

20 12 Whenever this blog goes to All Italics, it just means Ace is really fucking excited.

Yep. Usually it's because he sees a hobo and just peels off suddenly, like the husband-zombie chasing Sarah Polley's car in the DOTD remake.

Posted by: . at December 20, 2010 10:02 AM (gQLr2)

21 No comment.

Posted by: The Sun at December 20, 2010 10:03 AM (8I9An)

22 Alll your climate change belong to me!

Posted by: The Sun at December 20, 2010 10:04 AM (8I9An)

23 How can a pirate be missing a slash eye?

Posted by: Cherry π at December 20, 2010 10:04 AM (+sBB4)

24 The problem here is you people watch Fox news http://tinyurl.com/2a22jme

Posted by: Penn State Marine at December 20, 2010 10:11 AM (W7im9)

25 The 'on the magnitude' line reminds me of my favorite Homer line. 'I felt this incredible surge of power, like God must feel when he's holding a gun'

Posted by: Can't believe it's not bitter at December 20, 2010 10:12 AM (cYJn0)

26 Scientific Method????

Hell, they have never even completed the first step, much less all the others. The first step is making a complete and accurate observation of the phenomena.

The AGW scam is a huge fraud that people should be in jail for.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 10:13 AM (e4sSD)

27 Remember when scientists used to do that? When they used to bother with the third and fourth step of the scientific method? Good times, good times.

SCIENTISTS do that.  The "climate change" idiots posing as scientists, do not.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2010 10:14 AM (i7Wd9)

28 Time to plug a book again... "Fallen Angels" by Pournelle, Niven and Flynn. A near-future ice age arrives and it turns out the government contributed all it could to accelerate the ice age by demanding stringent environmental controls. And, the government actually has a department that has officially approved of using the wisdom of "crystals" and New Age "science." Sounds like we're headed there.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 20, 2010 10:16 AM (AZGON)

29 Yes, but if we look at the BIG PICTURE on a molecular level, - it's carbon dioxide. 

And only Green Energy will save Gaia.

Posted by: Fritz, student of the irrational at December 20, 2010 10:16 AM (GwPRU)

30 By the way, is "global warming" or "climate change" a label? Because David Frum doesn't like labels. He doesn't like frowns or warm juice boxes either.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 20, 2010 10:19 AM (AZGON)

31 The universe has reached a consensus - the Sun did it. News at 11.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 20, 2010 10:20 AM (EhYdw)

32

"Remember when scientists used to do that? "

yeah, well those guys were nerds, with their pocket protectors...the new Scientists like the finer things in life, like Technics stereo systems, fine leather couches, designer jeans and good food.

Don't you understand, there are more things important than science! Like government grants!

seriously, we have a legion of these government scientists pumped out of our universities, through the machinery of progress and science!

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at December 20, 2010 10:21 AM (tcSZb)

33 Ah, things have straightened up.

Posted by: CUS at December 20, 2010 10:22 AM (wOGfT)

34

I think they're calling it "global climate disruption" now to be sure to cover all the possibilities.

And, listen, they're going to say that over and over and completely forget they ever said "global warming."  It'll be as if they were saying "disruption" all along.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 20, 2010 10:22 AM (2cirV)

35

@7 This blog is slanted.
zmdavid at December 20, 2010 01:54 PM

It only seems that way until you put away the Valu-Rite. Slo-o-o-wly the world WILL seem to right itself.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 20, 2010 10:23 AM (EhYdw)

36 Global Warming is slanted.

Posted by: mmannphd at December 20, 2010 10:29 AM (71LDo)

37 But there must be a way for government control to save the day--warming, cooling, invariant, there must be a way.  We just have to be a little more obscure in our proofs!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2010 10:29 AM (8nf3A)

38

Next up?

The EPA finds that its total control of the Economy, through Cap and Trade was ineffective, so President for Life Obama, using his power as the Annointed Sun King, signs an Executive Order to Control the Sun.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 20, 2010 10:36 AM (AdK6a)

39 The other interesting thing to me is that the first non-scientist I heard that mentioned the Sun as a causative effect was Rush.  Since the only external source of heat for the Earth is the Sun (at least in my universe), it is clear that the tiniest variation in the Sun's thermonuclear fusion cycle would result in some level of variation in the received heat load of the Earth.  Furthermore, this would appear to be independent of the number of SUV's driven on a yearly basis. 
Unfortunately, this doesn't help move a progressive political agenda forward, so very few *responsible* scientists mentioned this linkage.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2010 10:38 AM (8nf3A)

40 Duth anyone know where I can get a nithe abdominal matthage?  Pleathe, thomeone with thum dithcrethion and clath.

Posted by: Al Gore at December 20, 2010 10:38 AM (3AjJ6)

41 I found this little nugget from the year 2000.

Highly respected climate scientists in the UK predict that the UK will never see another snowfall!

http://tinyurl.com/yz8urac

Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2010 11:10 AM (zBUlJ)

42 Anthropogenic Sun Spots, or A.S.S., will be the death of us all.

Posted by: malclave at December 20, 2010 11:25 AM (OCRaO)

43

If... only there were some natural mechanism for explaining the warming and cooling of the earth.  It would have to be unreasonably large, however -- on the scale of our own sun.

That's just crazy talk, you idiot wingnuts - if it was that large, it would burn the Earth to a cinder, unless it was many million miles away!  Nina Totenberg explained this on NPR.

Posted by: sherlock at December 20, 2010 11:25 AM (cq3pU)

44

if it was that large, it would burn the Earth to a cinder, unless it was many million miles away!

... and even then, gravitation would pull us toward it faster and faster, until we got close enough to be incinerated anyway - and the only way we could escape that fate would be if we were in orbit around the fucking thing

Haven't any of you heard Michael Moore's lectures on astrophysics?

Posted by: sherlock at December 20, 2010 11:33 AM (cq3pU)

45 A trend is a trend, until it's not.

Posted by: rising temperatures, as well as falling temperatures at December 20, 2010 11:35 AM (S5YRY)

46 One of my favorite commenter quotes ever. Forget who said it, but I don't forget the line:

This was my comment a couple of years ago. It has literally grown with the retelling over the years. I like the apocryphal version better

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at December 20, 2010 11:42 AM (t+tqr)

47 <img src="http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7092/globalwarming.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Posted by: Dodd at December 20, 2010 11:56 AM (gpnbM)

48 I stand corrected: http://img707.imageshack.us/i/globalwarming.jpg/

Posted by: Dodd at December 20, 2010 11:57 AM (gpnbM)

49 AGW Advocates ≠ Scientists
AGW Advocates == Frauds
AGW Advocates == Activists/Opportunists
Activists/Opportunists ≈ Frauds

All of these can be true simultaneously.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 20, 2010 12:09 PM (swuwV)

50 The WHAT method?

Posted by: Social at December 20, 2010 12:22 PM (T0NGe)

51 Oops, that was us.

Is this "scientific" method similar to the "rhythm" method of those Christianists?

Posted by: Social Scientists at December 20, 2010 12:23 PM (T0NGe)

52 I recommend a book called "The Chilling Stars" which outlines WHY the fluctuation in solar activity  (and also our passage through areas of the solar system with denser star populations) causes cooling.

If the author is correct,  this is something that man can do very little about.

Also,  did you guys know that twice in geologic time the earth was COMPLETELY covered in ice?  I mean all over, sort of like a giant ice ball.

Not exactly something I care to think about as I look out at the snow-covered ground when IT ISN'T EVEN WINTER YET!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 20, 2010 12:28 PM (Fo83G)

53 Somewhat related, because they lived during the last Ice Age: the Naked Archeologist just said Neanderthals may have cross-bred with modern humans. Well... That would explain the Irish.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 20, 2010 01:21 PM (tJjm/)

54

One thing I notice in this post (which, frankly, mostly escapes me) is that the scientist writing it makes actual predictions by which his theory can be judged correct, incorrect, or correct but incomplete.

Remember when scientists used to do that? When they used to bother with the third and fourth step of the scientific method? Good times, good times.

We see no science here.

Posted by: Catastrophic Climate Change Zealots at December 20, 2010 01:36 PM (yRrAd)

55 Public Service Message,  I have tried to explain this to people.   I have a science degree,  but when I talk to my sister the democrat about this my opinion doesn't matter compared to Gore's.  It is enough to make you scream.

There is a very good documentary of this called "The Cloud Mystery" on YouTube,  in several parts.   More people need to see it,  because then they would start realizing what we are up against.

Meanwhile,  I am to the point that when we start the deep freeze again,  I am willing to say "No heat for YOU!" to those ignoramuses who believe in  the global warming fantasy.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 20, 2010 01:44 PM (Fo83G)

56

Anyone in radio communications have known about this forever.  The 10 meters, 12 meters, 15 meters, and 17 meters bands are especially affected by sun spots.  The current prediction is that although there will be an increase in sun spot activity it will peak at a much lower level than more recent cycles. 

Posted by: Deanna at December 20, 2010 02:05 PM (8GHpT)

57 I'm not worried.  Michael Mann says it's getting hotter.  The tree rings told him so.

Posted by: Reiver at December 20, 2010 02:40 PM (B7bFn)

58 Unfortunately, this doesn't help move a progressive political agenda forward, pull in that sweet, sweet grant money, so very few *responsible* scientists mentioned this linkage.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2010 02:38 PM (8nf3A)

FIFY.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 20, 2010 04:03 PM (kMBIN)

Posted by: gayuh at December 20, 2010 06:41 PM (I0GOc)

60

Remember when scientists used to do that? When they used to bother with the third and fourth step of the scientific method? Good times, good times.

Don't get nostalgic, Ace.  The new scientific method is:

1.  Choose an assertion that supports a liberal cause.

2.  Publish carefully tailored data that supports the assertion.

3.  Full court publicity press that results in Congressional hearings.

4.  Savage reputations of unbelievers.

5.  Get rich off grants, lectures, books and investments in rent-seeking enterprises.

When the theory's disproven, return to #1.

Posted by: theCork at December 20, 2010 09:43 PM (qo3td)

61 A theory that cannot stand up to skeptics is a failed scientific theory and that is what we are witnessing now.

Posted by: theCork at December 20, 2010 09:57 PM (qo3td)

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