June 13, 2010
— Monty President Obama is asking for $50 Billion to distribute to state and local governments to avoid public-sector employee layoffs. (And for "public-sector employees", you can read "SEIU and Teacher's Unions".) The GOP is sure to oppose it, but may not be able to stop a concerted Democratic push.
Bailing out the states (especially California) is going to take a lot more than a piddling $50 billion, of course. The first tranche is simply to establish precedent. The doors would then be thrown open to (potentially) a trillion dollars or more of taxpayer money -- TARP II would be a slush-fund for the various states who find themselves embarrassed for funds. At that point any pretense of federalism would be well and truly gone.
California's travails are well-known (I certainly harp on them enough on this site). But New York is almost as bad a shape; state officials are threatening to issue IOUs in place of cash for tax refunds. Many states in the so-called "Rust Belt" -- particularly Michigan and Pennsylvania -- are mired in financial misery as well. But the important thing to remember is that these dire financial situations are mainly of the states' own making: they overspent in good times, and made overgenerous promises to their employees without thinking of the impact those promises would have when the economy turned south.
And there is the fact that, at all levels, government is just too damned big. The supply of government workers far exceeds the demand, but we are discovering the Iron Law of the public-sector worker: Thou Shalt Not Lose Thy Job. Let the taxpaying proles break off a few more dollars per month in some tax or other; better that than a second assistant to the inspector for drainage culverts have to find a job in the private sector or fund his own pension.
We supposedly have a government of by people, by the people, and for the people. If Obama has his way, the average citizen will be bound into indentured servitude to support legions of overpaid government workers whose main utility to the State is a reliable Democratic vote come election day.
The overgenerous promises made to public-sector employees (especially unionized public-sector employees) is an outrage that still lies somewhat outside the periphery of American consciousness (except in California, where it is on stage, front and center). But now these unsustainable payoffs are going to be added to the citizens of other states in the form of taxes and additional debt to be added to the crushing mountain we already labor under. It is a grossly unjust situation, but I've come to expect no less from such a tool of the Unions as President Barack Obama.
I've often said that the opening conflict of the second American Civil War is going to be between the public sector and the private sector. The battles will remain primarily rhetorical and political, I think, but emotions are running higher now than I've ever seen them. This metastasizing of the Federal government cannot be allowed to continue unchecked, or it will be the ruin of us all.
I'm not really joking when I say we're doomed, people. Unless we wake up; unless we slap down the lying, thieving, incompetent political class; unless we shrink the governmental Leviathan; unless we get our financial houses in order -- we could lose it all.
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Posted by: Andy at June 13, 2010 05:07 AM (NjN7i)
What pisses me off is that they had a chance with the 1 trillion dollar "stimulus" package and they haven't spent all of that yet. 75% of that stimulus package was nothing more the the typical Democrat/commie pork wish list. One need to look no further than that to see what a failure it is.
What else is amazing is that they have to know the public, including Democrats, do not want anymore of these bailouts to the unions but they will seek yet another cram down.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 05:07 AM (6taRI)
The great depression was extended from a few years to nearly a decade when WWII ended it. And FDR dying before war's end, ended America's misery from him.
Posted by: bill-tb at June 13, 2010 05:08 AM (y+QfZ)
Another slice of pie, Ms Winfrey? You know, binge eating and weight reduction could go hand-in-hand.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 13, 2010 05:13 AM (YPivX)
Posted by: damian at June 13, 2010 05:13 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: damian at June 13, 2010 09:13 AM (4WbTI)
First we pass it....then we read it, silly.
Posted by: Duncy Pelosi at June 13, 2010 05:14 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: carin at June 13, 2010 05:18 AM (54Rqu)
Posted by: elisa at June 13, 2010 05:20 AM (VcPAo)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 13, 2010 05:22 AM (fLHQe)
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 13, 2010 05:23 AM (naZzF)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 05:23 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: Oklahoman at June 13, 2010 05:24 AM (SUWui)
Posted by: antisocialist at June 13, 2010 05:29 AM (Rwudm)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 05:31 AM (8WOM0)
Posted by: GarandFan at June 13, 2010 05:34 AM (6mwMs)
Much of this bailout money goes not to save a public job, but to make sure the [teacher] gets a raise. Teachers cannot abide by a pay freeze. NO no. While the rest of us are underwater financially, this is the perfect time for public sector unions to hand out raises.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2010 05:35 AM (0fzsA)
Commiefornia's ratio of gubberment 'workers' to people that live there is about the 5th LOWEST in the country. The problem is the waste, unnecessary spending, and bloated pay (NOT for rank and file).
example; Caltrans budget spends half on landscaping
example; $3billion initiative passed by voters for 'stem cell research
example; $2.3 million/yr contract for head coach at U.C. Bizerkley
In the of schools & union workers our food service workers, teaching assistants, janitors, bus drivers, IT techs, secretarys etc are all laid off/hours cut while administrators routinely get raises and 'salary adjustments' (a 'salary adjustment is a $5000 to $10000 yr raise...they won't call it a raise). My very small state community college employs less than 150 full time, yet pays its Chief $210000/yr. The Bored has an insultant on the pad at $200/ht NTE $200000/yr. Insane
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 05:36 AM (edOUc)
Oklahoman, #20 above is correct. Ammo is the the way to go, and unlike gold, it can be used to put food on the table if things get really bad.
As far as repaying your medical debts, send them $20 a month, and ignore their howls. You will soon become their best customer, as no one else will bother to even send in $20......
Posted by: TXMarko at June 13, 2010 05:37 AM (3Sd0b)
Most likely it will go the same way the auto bankruptcy went. The court will make sure the unions are covered even though they will violate the law and the constitution to do it.
The difference will be that there are no physical assets to give to the union. Usually what happens when a government entity goes bankrupt they just default on their bonds. I think that long term retirement obligations have never been addressed before in gov bankruptcy.
In the old days, such as with ENRON, long term retirement obligations were simply defaulted on. The retirees lost.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 05:39 AM (6taRI)
Meh.
Not quite as fun as zombie apocalypse, but at least we'll still have bacon for awhile.
Posted by: ether at June 13, 2010 08:59 AM (n9G1U)
Yes, bacon with a much lower salt content as mandated by the Obama administrations FDA. It's for your own good. You're welcome.
Posted by: TomInKorea at June 13, 2010 05:41 AM (+gX1+)
President Obama to address the nation Tuesday night on Gulf of Mexico oil spill
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 05:42 AM (VuLos)
If Commiefornia laid off it's entire 200,000 workforce ( K-12 school are accounted as County employees BTW)...they would have a barely balanced budget.
That would mean no Caltrans, CHP, Park Rangers, DMV, water management, get it...
They could also educate to the 9th grade. No high school and junior college would save about $20 billion.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 05:45 AM (edOUc)
Posted by: Rebar at June 13, 2010 05:46 AM (Or4Gk)
Posted by: damian at June 13, 2010 09:13 AM (4WbTI)
First we pass it....then we read it, silly.
Posted by: Duncy Pelosi at June 13, 2010 09:14 AM (VuLos)
You're lying about the reading part aren't you.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 05:50 AM (edOUc)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 05:51 AM (O3eFQ)
If they stop spending NOW.
This will also only work with reductions of service from these same unions.
Too few police
No road repairs
Water and sewer systems failing as they age
No books for schools
World War as a distraction
Soviet era food distribution problems
Malnutrition on a vast scale
One child policies
The Ivy League elite will still be in good shape though with their private paramilitary police forces, protected food sources and modern medicine.
Posted by: Beto at June 13, 2010 05:55 AM (H+LJc)
Posted by: d_fitz at June 13, 2010 05:58 AM (5jCbz)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 05:59 AM (aj4hp)
Posted by: The ghost of kissin Richard Dawson baby! at June 13, 2010 06:04 AM (7qcjL)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2010 06:08 AM (ijjAe)
As a CA resident, it has become apparent to me that the outlawing of public employee unions is the key, crucial step to getting government spening under control. Here, it's common to find firemen, prison guards and various local functionaries officials pulling down six figures while looking forward to collecting 90% or more of their pay for life when they retire at a young age. Our schoolteachers are the highest paid in the nation and our schools are among the worst. Meantime, the Dems who control the Legislature can't stop shoveling higher pay and benefits to their most reliable source of votes and campaign funds, the public service unions. This is a feedback loop that has brought CA to its knees.
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2010 06:08 AM (3Dnuf)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 13, 2010 06:08 AM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 06:08 AM (8WOM0)
Although this administration won't accept the Dutch offer of help skimming oil, you can bet they'll accept offers from China and Mexico to send troops to quell any civil unrest in the US.
Posted by: dustydog at June 13, 2010 06:08 AM (j8aSQ)
Posted by: Easy Bake at June 13, 2010 06:09 AM (aj4hp)
The public employees cancer is everywhere...My hometown of 40K has legions of cops and firemen. And, nothing ever happens here thank god...We have a serious crime almost never. Fires, heh, with modern construction methods there are very few actual fires. The firemen these days are rolling on every 911 call. They even went to my mother's house for a overflowing toilet...NUTS!
Nothing personal toward the good people working these public jobs but we have to have fiscal sanity.
Posted by: Nozzle at June 13, 2010 06:10 AM (7qcjL)
There we were, having a nice Sunday discussion about the wonders of guilty pleasures and now this. Damn you, Mr. Monty, damn you.
Serfs, we are all serfs.
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at June 13, 2010 06:12 AM (rQTdM)
You really aught to do a little research before you make stupid posts about people who have NEVER held office because they are not politicians.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:13 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: Paul at June 13, 2010 06:14 AM (o/Kdp)
These fuckers should not be able to vote on anything unless they are under 50 years old.
Bail out the unions with tax payer money? There will be blood in the streets with SEIU starting it.
Posted by: TexBob at June 13, 2010 06:15 AM (2jp4I)
The bailout of public sector unions began with the jug-eared idiot's $1.2 trillion Multi-Generational Financial Rape Act of 2009.
..that's on the heels of the $60 billion in TARP money illegally diverted to prop up the private sector unions.
It will not stop. The GOP is ineffectual. I watched "Mumbles" Boehner on This Week and wanted to throw something at the TV. His head and heart are in the right place..but to have THE congressional leader sounding like Otis from Mayberry RFD isn't going to inspire anyone or convince the less-informed.
I saw a clip of Mike Pence speaking on the floor. Why is he not more front and center?
I don't think we can re-take the house this fall unless we have a leadership shakeup. McConnell, Mumbles, Cantor..that idiot Steele..all have to go.
We have people Blackburn, Pence, Ryan, McCotter, Price, Coburn, and others who are sharp and articulate. Let's fucking use them
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 06:15 AM (AnTyA)
I think we WILL retake the House and there will be a shakeup.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:17 AM (6taRI)
Vic at June 13, 2010 10:13 AM (6taRI)
It's called "tongue in cheek my good man." Lighten up, its Sunday!
Posted by: The ghost of kissin Richard Dawson baby! at June 13, 2010 06:17 AM (7qcjL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2010 06:17 AM (9Cooa)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 06:17 AM (8WOM0)
After giving BP the "ultimatum" to stop the flow in 48 hours (or whatever the 48 hours was about) ... I wonder if Barry will explain why he needs to take over the US assets of BP, and how he is fixing the "Bush Problem" the way he fixed the GM problem.
The $50 billion union bailout (a down payment on $5 trillion) would go nicely with a government seizure of BP assets, or some such assault on private industry.
Cloward/Piven keeps coming up as the most probable working theory these clowns are working under.
Posted by: bill at June 13, 2010 06:18 AM (Mk+9G)
Posted by: GGE, Hall of Fame Moron at June 13, 2010 06:20 AM (QY8Ui)
Posted by: Bugler at June 13, 2010 06:20 AM (VXBR1)
That's a little tin-foil hat, but somehow nothing seems too far out there anymore, which is rather sad.
Somehow I doubt that would go over too well with most local law enforcement, the military, and probably the most heavily armed citizenry on earth. I also doubt any foreign military force attempting to jackboot on US soil would be prepared for the kind of insurgency the average citizen would be supporting. Outside of maybe San Francisco, CA and Cambridge, MA everywhere would be, to make an understatement, quite hostile.
Even in the worst inner cities do you think the average gangbanger is going to want some Chicoms in their hood busting things up because Teh Won sad soid so? Hell no!
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2010 06:20 AM (ijjAe)
When the lean years hit and the revenues drop they ALWAYS want a tax increase. If they don't get it initially they threaten to lay off teachers, police, and fire. Never mind the 10K pound gorilla on the couch sucking up the socialism/welfare tit.
When the economy eventually recovers and the revenue stream goes positive again do they ever reduce taxes back towards where they were before?
Hell no, they just increase spending to match and the cycle starts over.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:20 AM (6taRI)
my congressman, Democrat Perriello 5CD VA, gets union donations. wonder how he'll vote on this? he voted FOR obamacare twice which excludes unions from mandates.
and we don't even have unions (except for very few) in 5thCD!!!!
he is Pelosi's lapdog.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at June 13, 2010 06:20 AM (XFcBK)
i think it's already too late. christie in nj is the last hope of stopping the complete che'cago facist takeover. the tick that is the government class has buried deep when we were living.
hope that christie can hold out a little and maybe another will step up. everyone is watching and the che'cago mob is going full out to destroy nj. SO THAT THEY CAN SAVE US.
FREEDOM = SLAVERY
SLAVERY IS FREEDOM
5% UNEMPLOYMENT= DEPRESSION
10% = SHANGRALA AND A BOOMING ECONOMY
PS- LOAD UP WHILE YOU STILL CAN
Posted by: aryie ann molisha at June 13, 2010 06:21 AM (Hx4f8)
Anybody flying their flag upside down in distress?
A question on that; I know we are supposed to fly the flag tomorrow, but some places say you should fly it the entire week.
What is it supposed to be?
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:22 AM (6taRI)
The final bill that they rammed through did not exclude the unions.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:25 AM (6taRI)
This is a small story compared to the fact that the laughably-named Social Security "trust fund" has gone into the red for the first time in history this year. http://tinyurl.com/2cegyup Demographic trends guarantee that its deficit will grow exponentially over the next decade.
This means that the gusher of "free" money that was available to Congress to plug budget holes in the past has turned into a budgetary black hole of supermassive proportions itself. (No offense intended to black ho's and apologies to the NAACP.) Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show while the feds try to satisfy the demands of a monstrous entitlement that keeps growling FEED ME after all available resources have been shoveled into TARP, Porkulus, ObamaCare, and Hamas' Swiss bank accounts.
The train has been headed for the cliff for years. At this point, by spending another $50 billion to pay off the public employee unions, Comrade Zero is just goosing the throttle a bit.
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2010 06:29 AM (3Dnuf)
Anybody flying their flag upside down in distress?
There will be no white flag above my door.
Posted by: Dido at June 13, 2010 06:30 AM (ysw2x)
Who are these brain dead idiots?
Fox had a poll that Democrats are now leading Repubs in a generic congressional poll.
WTF?
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 06:34 AM (ph9vn)
Neither are the, oh say other 20 investment advisors/economists I follow. They are all saying the same thing. Unfortunately, the average schmoe just plain can't comprehend. And they won't listen when you try to explain.
Harshes the mellow, you see.
Oh, there will be some very confused and suffering people in the very near future.
Posted by: Derak at June 13, 2010 06:34 AM (sMIFT)
This Precedent has almost killed my feelings of allegiance to the United States.
You know, I really don't consider myself an American anymore because the fucktards on the left who are doing everything they can to destroy this great country are nominally American.
I actually did hand my flag upside down on January 20, 2009. I had a reporter from the local paper come and interview me and take pictures, but the story was spiked due to "editorial reasons"
I think of myself more of a US Constitutionalist. If a state or region would ever secede and set itself up according to the principles this country was founded on, I would move there in a heartbeat....and would take up arms to defend it against this small-A america
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 06:40 AM (AnTyA)
The Cart is suppose to be for those truly need a safe ride; it works quite well when there are more Oxen workers than there are Cart riders.
Unfortunately useful idiots have been filling the Cart with irresponsible libertine adults who are druggies, porn addicts, Jon Stewart shitheads, child-beaters and govt union-thugs.
As the Cart became laden with too many irresponsible adults demanding their libertine lifestyle remain always the same, the Oxen are forced to work harder and longer hours in order to carry that heavy weight.
Some Oxen decide to tell the irresponsible libertine asshole adults to fuck off by escaping the yoke of slavery and live happily ever after in secretly located green pastures.
Some Oxen decide to jump on the Cart because they see that the free ride those irresponsible libertine adults receive looks mighty nice.
The few remaining Oxen are beaten to death by the irresponsible libertine adults who persistently demand their drugs, their porn, their child-beating, govern-union thuggery lifestyle ways never be taken away.
The irresponsible libertine adults are forgetting one thing, if all the Oxen are dead then who will be working to carry the heavy Cart overloaded with irresponsible idiots who thinks their libertine lifestyle ways are kweel, hip and so very fucking MTV?
The Downfall; the nature of the human condition will require that as all irresponsible adults addicted to their libertine lifestyle ways begin to lose their drugs, their porn, their child-beating government union thuggery ways they will begin to eat one another in order to maintain their fix.
(Five month to go and this Ox will be out of NYC shit-addicted town, living in green pastures in a location this Oxen will not disclose. The irresponsible adults addicted to their libertine ways can go get their fix from Jon Stewart's asshole)
Posted by: Harvard Inbred=Liberal's Useful Idiots at June 13, 2010 06:42 AM (+xhL8)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 06:44 AM (erIg9)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 06:44 AM (erIg9)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 06:45 AM (8WOM0)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 06:46 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: Mark at June 13, 2010 06:48 AM (l7hW9)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 13, 2010 06:50 AM (r1h5M)
Regarding that Fiorina comment about Boxer's hair, I am completely convinced that she staged the whole thing.
If you watch the vidoe of it, it's obvious she knew the camera and mic were on. God love her, but she's a horrible actress.
She did this to shape the image of Boxer as frumpy. Ace had a long post on this concept a while back. Leftards are obsessed with image, not substance. They want to see themselves as the coolest, the hippest, the most cutting edge.
If you meet the proper image criteria, you set yourself apart from the lumpenproletariat....and are superior
If you have the wrong hairstyle, wear the wrong clothes, drive the wrong car, listen to the wrong music, you're not one of them.
It's a brilliant ploy by Fiorina. She understands the vapidity of the standards of the left...especially the California left...and is waging a subtle subliminal and psychological psy-op.
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 06:52 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 06:54 AM (8WOM0)
OT: Tune up your BS meters:
President Obama to address the nation Tuesday night on Gulf of Mexico oil spill Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 09:42 AM (VuLos)
The ONLY thing I want to hear that shitstain say is; I quit.
Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at June 13, 2010 06:55 AM (3IZGh)
Those states (mostly in the southeast and west (with exception of the left coast)) who have lived within their means and generated more wealth than the government has thus far taken are being screwed by our so-called democratic republic.
I, for one, want out of this dis-union!
Posted by: TennDon at June 13, 2010 06:56 AM (o6Yv2)
JOHANNESBURG — World Cup organising committee head Danny Jordaan on Sunday did not rule out banning vuvuzelas, the noisy plastic trumpets which have proved a hit with fans in South Africa but threaten to deafen players and viewers alike.
Criticism of the vuvuzelas has been almost as loud as the instruments themselves with broadcasting companies complaining the din is almost drowning out commentary.
http://tinyurl.com/2eqeu86
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 06:58 AM (VuLos)
I don't think there is a chance of either one of these things passing right now or in the near future. That is why they are pushing forth on the EPA bypass of congress.
There is a chance the Republicans can stop that from the House side after this Fall but it will take big balls and a willingness to fight the Dems and the press.
They can pass a resolution to halt the EPA but Obama will veto it. What they will have to do is halt funding to the EPA by withholding funds. Of course Obama will pull the same Clinton stunt and call for a "partial" government shutdown which the press will blame the Republicans.
This time the balless Republicans will have to fight that instead of rolling over and throwing Gingrich to the pigs.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 06:59 AM (6taRI)
How depressing. I feel like everything is going to shit. I'm one of those suckers who lives in a fiscally responsible state. We are beyond pissed.
Posted by: stace at June 13, 2010 07:00 AM (LYakY)
Actually it's We're not in the Gravy Boat but we're surely in the Greece Boat.
Posted by: TennDon at June 13, 2010 07:01 AM (o6Yv2)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 07:03 AM (8WOM0)
78 #75
Hello asshat,
She had cancer. That hair is a result of her chemotherapy.
Carly reallly shouldn't be going there. Regardless of the reason.
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2010 07:04 AM (FjC5u)
Those states (mostly in the southeast and west (with exception of the left coast)) who have lived within their means and generated more wealth than the government has thus far taken are being screwed by our so-called democratic republic.
I, for one, want out of this dis-union!
Posted by: TennDon at June 13, 2010 10:56 AM (o6Yv2)
I am with ya!
Indiana.
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 07:04 AM (ph9vn)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at June 13, 2010 07:06 AM (8WOM0)
Posted by: Michael Collins at June 13, 2010 10:59 AM (I+7Zv)
You are an idiot.
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 07:06 AM (ph9vn)
I don't think there is a chance of either one of these things passing right now or in the near future
Not so sure about that. The Jackassocrats still have huge majorities..and will use any tactic..legal or otherwise..to strongarm their members..
...and we have plenty of fucking idiot GOPers in Congress
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 07:07 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 13, 2010 07:08 AM (fgysf)
Expect a crisis so the alcohol limit can be lowered to 0.04%. At $4k per arrest that's a lot of of cash. Except for illegal aliens. They have no accessible money so its just catch and release. Even for 1st degree, 7 yr. old child rape:
http://tinyurl.com/2e35ftw
Posted by: snookered at June 13, 2010 07:10 AM (jchJh)
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 07:10 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Bugler at June 13, 2010 07:12 AM (VXBR1)
If the only government workers were firemen and police, your ignorant sarcasm might have a point.
Although even their pay raises and benefits are beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: Waterhouse at June 13, 2010 07:14 AM (ysw2x)
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 07:15 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 13, 2010 07:17 AM (ucxC/)
Posted by: Michael Collins at June 13, 2010 10:59 AM (I+7Zv)
you are a fucking retard.
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 07:21 AM (erIg9)
Lest anyone be tempted to flame me, I'm a legitimate mad-dog conservative, but my god the woman's reflection could shatter mirrors.
Posted by: Wodeshed at June 13
Fucking idiot...go back to Libtardia where this stupid shit would fly
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 07:23 AM (AnTyA)
The governmentÂ’s table covers thirteen trillion square yards, held together with platinum nails. It seats an exclusive clientele of top politicians and their allies, but thereÂ’s plenty of room beneath it, for the rest of us to fight over the scraps. We can fit an awful lot of garbage on that table, when weÂ’ve dismissed the representatives who canÂ’t suggest anything but tax increases as a solution to the deficit. After we complete that process in 2012, we can start chopping the table up for firewood, to fuel the unfettered forges of American industry and imagination. What happens after that will be unpredictable, uncontrollable, and exhilarating. We shouldnÂ’t want it any other way.
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2010 07:24 AM (FjC5u)
Posted by: shivas irons at June 13, 2010 07:25 AM (TRJxR)
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Posted by: Goose that layed the golden egg at June 13, 2010 07:34 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: NJConservative at June 13, 2010 07:36 AM (LH6ir)
You are exactly right - and even waking up will not help, until the lying thieving political class is put out of business by disabling the electorate that puts it in place. That uneducated, irresponsible part of the general electorate which believes itself to be the beneficiary of the theft. They operate under an illusion, of course, but they will never acknowledge, or even understand, that.
Posted by: Roger at June 13, 2010 07:38 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: shivas irons at June 13, 2010 07:38 AM (TRJxR)
Can the sober amongst us admit yet that we are just rearranging deck chairs, or at least trying to?
Posted by: StrngernFiction at June 13, 2010 07:42 AM (rqGZJ)
If you're saying that Barbara Boxer is ugly or unattractive, either you are gay or you are just being spiteful and vindictive.
She certainly has her faults, but in her day, she was a babe, and she is still attractive for a woman her age, especially when she gets all dolled up for a social engagement.
Carly Fiorino, on the other hand, looks like a crosss between one of the seven dwarves named Dopey and Curley of The Three Stooges, and she behaves like they do, too. All she needs is a Moe and Larry, and she could take her act on the road.
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 07:46 AM (sYrWB)
We already HAVE lost it all, you dick. You just don't know it yet.
The fucking federal "government" has already won. We're just in our final death rattle, this is unless enough of the citizenry actually wake the fuck up and realize just how far we've come from freedom and essential rights. We're FUCKING cattle to these oligarchs. THEY. DON'T. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. US. WAKE THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE.
Posted by: LC at June 13, 2010 07:47 AM (Aaoov)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2010 07:50 AM (FjC5u)
Got back from the county's electronic recycling program about an hour ago. Our county used to rate 3rd largest in the nation, behind some major cities (LA, IIRC and somewhere else). Been going for three or four years now and there's always been a huge turnout with long lines.
Today it was practically a ghost town.
Looks like nobody is buying new electronics except to replace old stuff that broke. When they can afford it.
It's stuff like this that makes me believe there is no recovery going on.
In today's newspaper:
“This is actually the first year that we didn’t get slammed (with people),” said Elizabeth DeNardi, Luzerne County recycling coordinator. “Maybe we got the handle on the electronics last year.”
Yep -- there's no recovery in sight.
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2010 07:52 AM (7+pP9)
Read this, can you imagine this happening in the US. Police break a strike and the factory hires replacements. Officials tell strikers, they are breaking the law. No wonder China is growing and we're so fucked.
http://tinyurl.com/2emcfcn
Posted by: Kemp at June 13, 2010 07:53 AM (2+9Yx)
We're not in Greece's boat quite yet, but we're getting there.
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 09:23 AM (O3eFQ)
Now, now, Monty. We're selling something like 40% of that debt to our own Fed. And we've been trying to convince the ECB to do the same for Eurotrash debt.
You know back when you were a kid and your mother asked you, "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you too?" All the retards who answered, "Yes. Of course," are now sitting on the boards of central bank. The kids who just stared blankly back at their mothers and gave dumb looks are democrats.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 07:54 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2010 07:55 AM (p302b)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 07:55 AM (kO+WM)
State workers should take 5% and say thank you. I don't care if it's 5% in pay, or 5% of the work force. New York is broke. We would have been OK if public employees stayed at the 1990 levels. It is not like the population is growing.
Posted by: MarkD at June 13, 2010 07:56 AM (YhZfg)
damn those firemen and police !
Posted by: Michael Collins
_______
Oh thank you libtard, for showing us the light. We are so cruel. Firefighters and school teachers and ALL public employees should get a RAISE. It's the perfect time for public sector raises.... wouldn't you agree?
While the private sector is bleeding jobs, looking ahead to steep punitive tax increases and fees, the public sector unions should get a big juicy raise and a sweet tax payer funded bailout. Right?
What's awesome: the democrats can hide behind the teacher's skirt and say "it's for the children". Even though, it's not.
Democrats are reckless economic idiots. Firefighters and school teachers should know better, but once they taste that sweet taxpayer funded pay raise, lavish pension, and lavish time-off (thanks to the the hard working tax payer in the private sector ( the private sector worker who doesn't enjoy a raise, a pension or sweet time off) it's hard to give up the over-flowing trough.
Bad economic times, busted budgets, no money??? Time for a tax-payer funded raise!
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2010 07:57 AM (0fzsA)
When I look at it... The blue states are fucked.
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 07:58 AM (ph9vn)
I have been told they have empty seats for the first time and it alarms them. Funny, instead of realizing the economy is in the toilet, they think it is cause of the noise from the ban of alcohol. I think people aren't going to spend the money to sit there and been assaulted by the noise (especially since they apparently ran out of ear plugs). the game is very nice to watch in the background and leave on mute, at home.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2010 07:59 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at June 13, 2010 07:59 AM (GUxTi)
You guys, I appreciate your kind comments regarding my looks, but once again, please call me Senator, I worked hard for that title.
Posted by: Barbara Boxer at June 13, 2010 08:00 AM (t72+4)
He got taken to the Wodeshed.
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2010 08:00 AM (MMC8r)
China's doomed too, only in a different way. When they go bust, the fallout is going to be legendary.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 08:02 AM (9hSKh)
I live in Washington and our state government already figured $450 Million of this money to balance their buget 2 months ago on a gaurantee from the whitehouse they it was coming. They are whining now that if they don't get it they will have to start laying people off.
Of course the people they claim they will layoff are teachers, police and judges since the other 80,000 state employees are just too important to layoff.
I say let them, it's a bluff and everyone knows it. If they start laying off the most important employees and leave the balance still working November will be a blood bath.
Posted by: robtr at June 13, 2010 08:04 AM (fwSHf)
May I please ask again that you not tar all of us with the same brush? I work in an agency that actually renders unto us, the citizens, a duty numerated in the Constitution. And our particular agency is always not only strapped to the limit, but actually underfunded. And there are almost as many 'pubs as dems there. Also, not unionized.
The Civil Service rules were put in place so that pols would stop firing all the previous workers and putting their cronies in every election, which leads directly to corruption. Put it this way: Without the rules, a number of us (ahem) would have been fired the moment Obama won, to be replaced immediately with people who had voted for Obama. How's that sound to you?
The people in our agency work long hours (no overtime!) and take our jobs seriously. We're taught to behave politely to the public at all times, so much so that, during a trip to NYC, I apparently confused native New Yorkers with my politeness and was finally asked to cut it out. Please, like the bad soldiers that screw with the military's rep, think of bad civil servants as possibly screwing with our rep.
Also, NOT a teacher...
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 13, 2010 08:06 AM (1kwr2)
Posted by: bitter balloon boy at June 13, 2010 08:06 AM (crDIp)
The fiscal situation is somewhat analagous to a spacecraft and black hole.
The govt spending and interest on the debt = the mass of the black hole and its' proportional gravity.
The growth rate of the economy which enables higher tax reciepts without killing the economy = the rocket motor thrust
We crossed the black hole event horizon awhile ago, do not have enough rocket motor thrust to escape and are on the spiral path to oblivion.
We need to reduce the mass of the black hole and get more rocket motor thrust. Cut both spending and tax rates. Hope we can continue to rollover our govt bond debts at low interest rates.
Posted by: Huckleberry at June 13, 2010 08:06 AM (F71c5)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 08:06 AM (aj4hp)
When I look at it... The blue states are fucked.
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 11:58 AM (ph9vn)
Brains? Work Ethic? Literacy?
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 08:07 AM (erIg9)
We do? Funny, I haven't seen any type of report from Ace on that topic.
Posted by: Barbarian at June 13, 2010 08:08 AM (EL+OC)
Since most of us live in suburbs or urbanized areas, how exactly are we going to use that ammo "to put food on the table"? Barbeque feral cats and rabbits?
A creative cook can perform culinary miracles with a pound of hobo and the right mix of spices. And there will be no shortage of hobos.
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2010 08:10 AM (3Dnuf)
I like to fry my squirrels like chicken. Wrapped in baconz, of course.
Possum makes excellent swedish meatballs.
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2010 08:10 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 08:12 AM (aj4hp)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 08:12 AM (4X4q/)
Since most of us live in suburbs or urbanized areas, how exactly are we going to use that ammo "to put food on the table"? Barbeque feral cats and rabbits? Have all you tough guys talking about "lead is the new gold" ever eaten what you killed? If so, then why don't you share your recipes for squirrel and possum with us?
Or are you thinking of using that ammo to shoot your less prepared neighbors and take their food, and setting up your own little neighborhood fiefdom?
Really, it's time to knock off this talk about stocking up on ammo. It just makes you look stupid and reinforces the "wingnut" image.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at June 13, 2010 11:59 AM (GUxTi)
Spoken like the first idiot shot or starving to death in a crisis.
I live in an urban area.. but I can shoot, I can hunt and I can drive to the country.
Go ahead and call me a wingnut because I am more than capable of taking care of my self... while you are not.
Posted by: armed wingnut at June 13, 2010 08:13 AM (ph9vn)
When I look at it... The blue states are fucked.
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 11:58 AM (ph9vn)
Rush has talked about this time and time again, but the biggest problem with the blue states although you'd never get folks like Paterson in NY, to admit it (in fact wild horses wouldn't be able to drag it out of 'em) is that folks with money are fleeing to the red states to avoid paying the high taxes and higher cost of living. The obvious solution is to make cuts across the board to bloated state government, cut salaries and cut taxes (like McDonnel started to do here in Va. when he took office) instead they refuse to and do the opposite, which in turn causes more folks to flee. What you're left with are folks who pay little to no taxes or exist on government handouts as your primary tax base. Most of it has to do with cronyism and kissing up to the unions who represent a lot of the state workers.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 08:13 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: fluff-trex at June 13, 2010 08:13 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: National Association for the Assification of Colored People at June 13, 2010 08:14 AM (3Dnuf)
If you're saying that Barbara Boxer is ugly or unattractive, either you are gay or you are just being spiteful and vindictive.
She is ugly Gay? No. Spiteful and vindictive? Yes, with a pinch of hatred.
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2010 08:16 AM (Weo34)
Ooh! I just had an idea. Marinate the squirrel meat in teriyaki sauce for 24 hours. Pat dry, dip in tempura batter and deep fry. Mix up a wasabi sauce using either mayonnaise or sour cream.
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2010 08:21 AM (Weo34)
Yes. Plus they can't use reconciliation again in 2010: it can only be used once a year.
"I work in an agency that actually renders unto us, the citizens, a duty numerated in the Constitution."
Hmmmm, let's see: either the State Department, DoD, the Mint, the Post Office, the Patent and Trademark Office or the Administrative Office of the US Courts...did I miss anyone?
Posted by: Dave J. at June 13, 2010 08:22 AM (DCQ0q)
Ooh! I just had an idea. Marinate the squirrel meat in teriyaki sauce for 24 hours. Pat dry, dip in tempura batter and deep fry. Mix up a wasabi sauce using either mayonnaise or sour cream. Then throw away the squirrel, and get your husband to take you to a nice restaurant for dinner.
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2010 12:21 PM (Weo34
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 08:26 AM (sYrWB)
Hey guess what, offshore oil rigs are moving to Brazil due to Obama's moratorium on deep water drilling.
Thanks Obama ! The obvious solution is to put thousands of more Americans out of work and punish the economy even further. You da man !
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 08:26 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 13, 2010 12:25 PM (GZitp)
Yes they did, that's how it passed the Senate. Stupak is in the house.
Posted by: robtr at June 13, 2010 08:27 AM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Dave J. at June 13, 2010 12:22 PM (DCQ0q)
As if that would stop them ... it's a cute thought, Dave, and takes me back to a time when the federal government wasn't engaged in an all-out attack on the US and the citizenry. If the dems decide to use reconciliation again (just after the Nov elections, say) they will do it and just claim that they are using 2011's and 2012's reconciliations early. Everything on credit, including reconciliation - even reconciliation for bills that are not open to reconciliation.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 08:27 AM (Qp4DT)
I don't know if this is a regular thing for both Rs and Ds, but it's disgusting that "journalist" scream and cry about lobbyists, all the while they are the ultimate lobbyists. It's no wonder "truth" escapes most of them.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 13, 2010 08:28 AM (YBTwf)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 13, 2010 12:25 PM (GZitp)
They did use reconciliation for health scare, although they weren't allowed to for a variety of reasons. What they didn't do in health scare was "demon pass" (even more illegal, unethical, and un-American) which they threatened. That's what you are referring to.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 08:29 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: teej at June 13, 2010 08:29 AM (mVLAl)
Posted by: dum blond at June 13, 2010 08:30 AM (gbCNS)
The Heritage Foundation does and annual report on "economic freedom" which measure the degree of capitalism a country has. They have ALL gone down in 2010. Currently the U.S. is number 8 on the list. China is number 140.
Despite all the hype never forget that China is still a communist country.
Also, if you check back to earlier years of this survey, the highs were in the 90s.Now the highest nations are in the 80s.
http://tinyurl.com/76wrks
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 08:30 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2010 08:31 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Huckleberry at June 13, 2010 08:34 AM (F71c5)
You say that as if you think Obama considers that a bad thing.
More people out of work = more potential Dem voters.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 08:35 AM (9hSKh)
Is it wrong to hate people I don't know? Don't know, don't care, but I hate people who steal from my family and destroy the greatest country that ever was. Sue me.
Posted by: dum blond at June 13, 2010 12:30 PM (gbCNS)
That's why if you have an Obama sticker on your vehicle or I even get the vibe you are a liberal if the time ever comes I'm taking all of your food and whatever other belongings catches my eye and won't have one moment of regret doing so.
If you need something to eat or a blanket to keep warm, get it from Obama , that is if he's not too busy playing golf to send you something.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 08:36 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 13, 2010 08:38 AM (TPEo9)
lowandslow: "148
What agency do you work in? Tell me that then I'll decide if you're useful or not. Or are we supposed to take you're word for it that your agency in essential and filled with hard working government employees?"
Um, no, please, don't take my word for it and I won't take your word for anything, either. Aren't we, the moron nation at Ace's, supposed to refrain from excoriating one another?
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 13, 2010 08:38 AM (1kwr2)
Not. At. All.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 08:39 AM (9hSKh)
Hell, I live in a city of 200K+ and a guy two blocks away still keeps a goat in his pasture.
Here in Central Ohio, many suburbs are seriously looking to reverse statutes that ban keeping chickens in your yard. One suburb, Worthington, has already done so. Luckily I live in the country and can keep whatever the hell I want.
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2010 08:42 AM (Weo34)
Squirrels down south that feed on acorns and pecans are real good. The northern ones feeding on pine cone seeds not so good but edible if needed.
Posted by: Huckleberry at June 13, 2010 12:34 PM (F71c5)
The ones that hang out under the bird feeder are pretty good.Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2010 08:42 AM (7+pP9)
If you're saying that Barbara Boxer is ugly or unattractive, either you are gay or you are just being spiteful and vindictive.
When Boxer opens her mouth and lets the hate pour out, twisting her features to where she resembles Medea at the point of murdering her children: yes, then she is deeply unattractive.
Posted by: Brown Line at June 13, 2010 08:49 AM (UlwDu)
Posted by: dying in myrtle beach at June 13, 2010 08:50 AM (cVLyC)
I disagree with part of that. There are alot of government employees whom I am sure work as hard as anyone in the private sector. I've worked with them on zoning, planning and building permits for years and found most of them to be quite capable and responsive.
The problem as i see it is that we can't afford to have so many people doing stuff for us or claiming to. The Dept. of Ed. is a prime example. What sense does it make for us to send our money to the Dept. of Ed. only to have them take their cut for overhead and then send it back to us? None. The only thing they do that is even close to being a neccessary function are student loans. You could leave that portion in tact and eliminate the rest and it wouldn't be missed.
Posted by: robtr at June 13, 2010 08:52 AM (fwSHf)
Ask any of our rural huntin' morons for their view .
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 08:53 AM (B4e7Q)
Wow, for probably only the second time ever, me and Bill Maher actually agree on something.
I think the main point here is that nobody is quite as brilliant as Bill Maher. That's Bill Maher's usual theme. That he actually touched on the truth in reiterating his intellectual cred was only inadvertent.
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2010 08:55 AM (3Dnuf)
We have a government of bi-people? Maybe this is where we went wrong. Pick a genitalia and stick to it, selfish a-holes
Posted by: tyson at June 13, 2010 08:56 AM (aW7+f)
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 08:58 AM (5/yRG)
During an interview on CNN’s Reliable Sources on Sunday, Rabbi David Nesenoff, known for exposing Helen Thomas’s anti-Semitic views, informed viewers that, up until now, he has considered himself to be a liberal Democrat – who even opposed the Iraq War and supported Barack Obama – but now asserts that "I have to really reevaluate liberal and conservative and really find out where I stand because I think I've been a little blind."
Link to Newsbusters:
http://tinyurl.com/2ezelal
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 08:58 AM (VuLos)
Never.. That's why Obama is going to do this with existing TARP funds as an executive order.
Mark my words.. it's a "dire emergency".. He's gonna do it.
His union buds, AFSCME included, will demand it before the November elections, and Obama will be only too glad to oblige.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 13, 2010 08:59 AM (Do528)
Ok, 1st squirrels and wild rabbits should only be eaten in the winter months because they tend to get wormy in the hot months, 2nd, to get rid of the gamey taste in anything wild meat, fish etc. is soak the meat in buttermilk in the refrig. overnight, chili is good squirrel too.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:01 AM (4X4q/)
Belgians vote on future, united country in doubt
BRUSSELS - Belgians were voting Sunday in general elections that are widely seen as a vote on an orderly breakup of this country where 6.5 million Dutch- and 4 million French-speakers are locked in a quarrelsome union.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 09:02 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 12:53 PM (B4e7Q)
Whittled down, say, 25%-30% to account for libtards? Those fuckers can starve, they're the ones that got us into this mess.
And you're right about rural properties. If you don't have any friends in the country, make some quick!
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2010 09:02 AM (Weo34)
Link to Newsbusters:
http://tinyurl.com/2ezelal
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 12:58 PM (VuLos)
While there is no Hell in Judaism (ge'hegen isn't quite it) this Rabbi should burn in everlasting flames. If all he can say, even now, is that he has to "really reevaluate liberal and conservative" then he is beyond help. He deserves to fully suffer for his intentional stupidity, anti-Americanism, and anti-Israel stand.
I give no quarter to Jews - especially Rabbis - who are now merely reconsidering their idiotic stances. Unless they admit being total assholes and beg forgiveness every single day, they are still less than worthless. I have the same attitude about Koch, who thinks that a few words can undo the great damage he abetted in the 2008 election.
This Rabbi deserves what Akiva got.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:04 AM (Qp4DT)
If you're saying that Barbara Boxer is ugly or unattractive, either you are gay or you are just being spiteful and vindictive.
Ugly is as ugly does. Every inch of her body is ugly when she's crossed that unacceptable line. I, for one, can't see past her vomit-encrusted ways to acknowledge anything that might be attractive. They're blinding, and there's nothing spiteful or vindictive about seeing pure ugliness. She's Satan butt-ugly.
Posted by: dum blond at June 13, 2010 09:05 AM (gbCNS)
I am working with a hangover this morning and reading about wormy squirrel meat is a little hard to handle on an already queasy stomach, but I am still curious enough to ask.
Are these intestinal parasites that can be transmitted if it is gutted incorrectly?
Not that I'm going squirrel hunting today.
Posted by: Who Knows at June 13, 2010 09:05 AM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010
01:02 PM (9hSKh)
And we are about to see the same with those Americans who want this to be an English-speaking country and the libs who think that speaking English is a hate crime.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:05 AM (Qp4DT)
Haha, sorry you're feeling bad, but it's a rule of thumb with me that I have been taught since I was old enough to hunt, the oldtimers always know.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:07 AM (4X4q/)
well, now in NYC, they are bailing out pensions with guess what? Pensions
Patterson just signed this into law last week. check out Mish's website
NY State Shell Game - Municipalities Borrow from Pension Fund to make Required Pension Fund Contributions
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 09:08 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 09:09 AM (aj4hp)
It'll be hard to watch but if the balloon goes up I'm looking out for my family and friends first and devil take the hindmost .
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 09:10 AM (B4e7Q)
well, now in NYC, they are bailing out pensions with guess what? Pensions
Patterson just signed this into law last week. check out Mish's website
NY State Shell Game - Municipalities Borrow from Pension Fund to make
Required Pension Fund Contributions
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 01:08 PM (ACkhT)
Yea and right afterwards he says he won't seek re-election even though a few months ago he stuck his tongue out at Wee Wee and told him to go get screwed when he said he shouldn't run again. Why? Because he knows he's only putting a band aid on a gaping wound and his state is in a death spiral, but he'll be out of office so it won't be his problem anymore .
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 09:12 AM (t72+4)
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology.
This Rabbi's conversion from Teh Stupid to our side is most welcome and should be encouraged."
Agreed. Same thing happened to me. When you have a radical posing as a moderate, and then you see the radicalism smack in your face, reality hits you like a very cold shower and wakes you up very quickly.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 09:12 AM (ACkhT)
Thanks for that bit of old school wisdom, 'Nam Grunt.
Hopefully I will never have to compete with my neighbors for squirrel meat, but if i do, I'll avoid it during the summer.
Posted by: Who Knows at June 13, 2010 09:12 AM (7FgWm)
Mrs. Cop went out to buy a couple of copies of the local rag (for the coupons) and I happened to notice that the front page had a big headline of "Underemployment 17.5% in Ohio."
Upon reading the article, it boiled down to saying Ohio is in the top third of the nation for underemployment and things suck. However, not a single sentence devoted to causation of said suckage. More proof of the MFM carrying water for Captain Kickass.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at June 13, 2010 09:14 AM (bCQG3)
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 09:14 AM (frnLD)
Classic Dem.
Bring on November.
The question isn't November 2, it's November 8.
We're going to take the keys from them 11/2, but the following Monday, they'll still have 2 months of lame duck in which to shatter what's left. Don't think for a fucking second that these clown aren't thinking "scorched earth".
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 13, 2010 09:18 AM (xbS7B)
This is a positive development: an independent Flanders, while not Eurosceptic, would be much more of a free-market country than Belgium. Socialist basketcase Wallonia does not want to be independent, so they will ask for "r'attachisme" with France...except even the French don't want them.
The sticking point will be Brussels. It is currently self-governing on a par with Flanders and Wallonia. It is also, despite being officially bilingual, overwhelmingly Francophone, though it is surrounded by Flamish-speaking Flanders. Oh, and of course it's historically the capital of Flanders.
Posted by: Dave J. at June 13, 2010 09:18 AM (DCQ0q)
This Rabbi's conversion from Teh Stupid to our side is most welcome and should be encouraged.
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 01:09 PM (aj4hp)
Sorry, eman, I've long been drained of any tolerance for Jewish liberals. And this Rabbi is still being stupid. It wasn't so much what Helen Thomas said that got him, but the hate mail he's recieved since. He said:"Yeah, you know, I received about 25,000 hate mail, you know, emails, and, more shocking than even that, is the hate media I’m beginning to learn about – you know, from TV and newspapers and blogs and talk shows and entertainers, and they’re accusing me of being some right-wing ambusher, and it really rocked my world because I have to reevaluate my life and my standing in the agendas because, yeah, I’m a New York Democrat Jewish liberal supporter of Obama, donated to his candidacy for a year, said give him a chance, give him a chance, defended, watched all these liberal media, and now I have to reevaluate, I have to speak, I have to now speak to people with all different agendas because if I was part of a team where their agenda was that Israel and the Jewish people don’t have a connection – which is exactly what Helen Thomas said – there’s no connection, why are they even there-"
I understand your point about welcoming back prodigal sons, as it were, but I am not of that mind. If these people are not made to admit the full stupidity and danger of their idiocy (which the Rabbi still hangs onto, if you notice) then they are still worthless. And for this Rabbi to claim that he had no idea about the anti-semitism and Israel-hate of the left is beyond laughable, really. Tony Snow noted that Helen Thomas expressed "the Hezbolah view" years ago, and her hate of all things Israel and Jewish was known far longer than that.
I am not pushing these people away, but only saying that they must atone for their sins. That is the essence of Western civilization and a Rabbi should understand that it is one of the foundations of Judaism. I'm happy that they might not be total Kool-aid drinkers (for the moment) but as they continue to lie about what they didn't realize before they show that they are still far beyond trust. With respect to such "allies" I would say what is often attributed to Patton (though I've been told he never said it),
"I'd rather have a division of Germans in front of me than a division of French behind me."
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:22 AM (Qp4DT)
The revolution may as well start in California. Hopefully, it will end with the state split into three.
Posted by: John at June 13, 2010 09:22 AM (90oki)
Seems what all these countries, including ours, is going through, is part of the population wants to work, be left alone for the most part and want to keep most of what they earn.
And the other side, they wants to mooch off the first group. The engine of a train can only pull so much weight in its caboose, at some point, the engine will just say hell with it, either completely stop pulling the rest of the weight or just delink from the caboose and go along its own way.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 09:23 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 09:23 AM (aj4hp)
Posted by: GGE, Hall of Fame Moron at June 13, 2010 10:20 AM (QY8Ui
Well it comes from the upper 10% of taxpayers mostly. And unfortunatly many of the very rich vote libtard. Look at Warren Buffet.... B+rry fan. What does it matter to him that over half his cash income goes to B+rry....he STILL has hundres of billion$$$ to spend. The rich have sold us out.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 09:25 AM (frnLD)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 01:22 PM (Qp4DT
ok, yeah, the man sounds very drunk on kool-aid and now is realising that he drunk on that koolaid. Not sure how long that will last, he was only exposed because of this Helen Thomas thing, apparently Obama sitting in a church listening to anti-sematic sermons for 2 decades did not bother him
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 09:26 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:27 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 01:23 PM (aj4hp)
His atonement is his responsibility, but it will be public business if he ever does it. He must repair what he has broken, and that is outside of himself - far outside of himself, depending on how vocal he has been in support of liberal idiocy. His video was very nice, but that was inadvertent on his part.
But, don't worry. I am only one of many and this Rabbi would likely not run into many with my attitude. But, if he happens to appear, by some strange turn of events, at our Shabbat dinner one night ... he's toast.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:28 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 01:26 PM (ACkhT)
Exactly. And that stuff was far, far worse than anything Helen Thomas said - especially the fact that Rev. Wright was up screaming "G-d damn America" just a week after 9/11. A friggin' week after that attack and those despicable traitors were screaming that stuff. If that video from Trinity had become known when it happened, I don't think that church would still be standing. People forget how this nation felt right after the attack.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:31 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 01:22 PM (Qp4DT
ok, yeah, the man sounds very drunk on kool-aid and now is realising that he drunk on that koolaid. Not sure how long that will last, he was only exposed because of this Helen Thomas thing, apparently Obama sitting in a church listening to anti-sematic sermons for 2 decades did not bother him
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 01:26 PM (ACkhT)
Communism and socialism and bit the Jewish in the ass and bit them hard. American liberalism is a combination of the two and its right behind them nipping at their heels like a rabid pit bull and most of them would still pull the lever for the Democrat even if Iran nuked Tel Aviv on election day.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 09:31 AM (t72+4)
Works for venison but so does anything acidic -- lemon, lime, tomato juices.
The main reason for not shooting rabbits in the summer is tularemia (squirrels can get it too). A hard freeze will generally kill off the animals that have it. Also, it's important to cook small game thoroughly.
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2010 09:31 AM (7+pP9)
Yes but the buttermilk gives the meat a neutral or sweet taste when it's cooked, that other stuff makes it taste funny IMO.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:33 AM (4X4q/)
Professor Igor Panarin
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 09:35 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 09:35 AM (aj4hp)
State workers should take 5% and say thank you. I don't care if it's 5% in pay, or 5% of the work force. New York is broke. We would have been OK if public employees stayed at the 1990 levels. It is not like the population is growing.
Posted by: MarkD at June 13, 2010 11:56 AM (YhZfg)
Commiefornia's state werkers already took a 15% furlough...and the state is STILL short $20 billion...about one buck in 5.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 09:36 AM (frnLD)
What sense does it make for us to send our money to the Dept. of Ed. only to have them take their cut for overhead and then send it back to us? None. The only thing they do that is even close to being a neccessary function are student loans. You could leave that portion in tact and eliminate the rest and it wouldn't be missed.
We should take the government out of student loans too. Private banks would have an interview process that would go better for the person getting a degree in Chemistry than Interperative Dance.
And what banks are the students currently getingt steered to by the government? Any corruption there?
Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 13, 2010 09:38 AM (r60xu)
Well take a look Mr. President, your bigger government can’t seem to do “dick” .. would a smaller government do any worse ?
I suggest you get used to smaller government because the American taxpayer is tapped out ... you've flipped to the wrong side of the "Laffer Curve".
Remember all those Americans who were worried that their children's lives would be worst than their's. Well it is the government's turn to experience the same thing. Being a government worker is about to be rarer. Your legacy will include the downturn.
This $50 billion and any other spending is on borrowed money.
Take a hint ... the party is over.
Posted by: Neo at June 13, 2010 09:38 AM (tE8FB)
Didn't some Russian asshole predict not long ago that the USA would split up in 5 years? I think he may be on to something.
Professor Igor Panarin
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 01:35 PM (9hSKh)
Yep, at some point we will see the Balkanization of the U.S.A., its inevitable. The libtards here and at the U.N. would love to see this happen, hell its what they live for, further weakening American power and influence throughout the world. When you have a large segment of the population who refuse to assimilate American values and culture and refuse to speak our language its the only endgame.
I just hope if it ever happens we can all go our separate ways peacefully like the Belgians are doing.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 09:39 AM (t72+4)
Good luck on peaceful, when they start migrating down here we aren't going to let the assholes in.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:42 AM (4X4q/)
What sense does it make for us to send our money to the Dept. of Ed. only to have them take their cut for overhead and then send it back to us? None. The only thing they do that is even close to being a neccessary function are student loans. You could leave that portion in tact and eliminate the rest and it wouldn't be missed.
We should take the government out of student loans too. Private banks would have an interview process that would go better for the person getting a degree in Chemistry than Interperative Dance.
And what banks are the students currently getingt steered to by the government? Any corruption there?
Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 13, 2010 01:38 PM (r60xu)
Uhm....B+rry just nationalized the student loan program.
Yes.He.Did.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 09:42 AM (frnLD)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 13, 2010 09:44 AM (YVZlY)
I agree 100 percent. Stockpiling large amounts of ammo is a truly moronic move. Stockpiling means you intend to stay put and mount a long term fortress-style defense against many enemies. That particular tactic hasn't been effective for several hundred years. Mobility is the key and you won't be carting around tons of ammo and food and everything else you need to survive. For hunting, try using a bow and traps instead of guns. Bows are silent and have unlimited ammo. Traps are unattended and work while you're doing other things.
When the shit hits the fan, I'm vapor. The best defense is to not be in the path of hungry morons who want your food. They can't attack me if they can't find me. If they do find me, I'll have plenty of ammo to hold them off until I can safely move out.
Posted by: CR at June 13, 2010 09:46 AM (Ob6kZ)
The south with it's latino population ?
The atlantic with it's different mores ?
If he thinks South Carolina or Georgia are going to side with Mexico on the south or New York on the atlantic coast he has rocks in his fuckin' head .
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 09:46 AM (B4e7Q)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 13, 2010 01:44 PM (YVZlY)
...life wasn't kind to us...
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 09:47 AM (frnLD)
That's between him and his conscience.
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 01:35 PM (aj4hp)
Not to beat a dead horse, but in Judaism, guilt is private and atonement is public. There is very little in Judaism that one can do to himself, only, that he needs to privately atone for. Nothing I can think of, really. Even breaking the Shabbat or tattooing oneself requires public action in atonement.
As I said, the atonement is his personal responsibility, but if others are to draw conclusions about his attitude and integrity, then they must be able to see something.
This is just my view of it all, though I am very much wedded to it.
Along these lines, and the necessary atonement from all the asswipes who supported Helen Thomas and her ideological brethren, I have seen precious little in the way of people expressing even personal outrage at the thought that "the Helen Thomas seat" should have the name tag kept on. The silence on that simple issue says a lot more than her firing (50 years too late).
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 09:48 AM (Qp4DT)
Oh how I wish that was true in Albuquerque. Man, how it pisses me off during my commute. Plenty of Obama bumper stickers still around.
A few weeks ago the ONT linked to a map showing Obama support and New Mexico was light blue (slightly over 50%), while most of the map was pink or red. I can't wait to leave this shithole later this year.
Posted by: DSkinner at June 13, 2010 09:48 AM (4sl2A)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 09:52 AM (4X4q/)
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Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:00 AM (4X4q/)
"Sarifah-Fadel"? Really?
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Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 10:02 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:03 AM (4X4q/)
I"m off to Costa Rica."
That sort of defeatism sickens me. Well then, so long Mr. Sunshine Patriot, don't let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.
Posted by: T.P. Dec. 23rd 1776 at June 13, 2010 10:05 AM (7iUke)
Insta, posted yesterday that Pam was going to sue their sorry asses.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 02:03 PM (4X4q/)
Chuckles the shit bird was doing the happy dance over at his blog yesterday about it. He put up an entire post just to celebrate. Supposedly CAIR was behind it, but I'll bet he gave 'em a little bit of help.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 10:06 AM (t72+4)
we can hope. he does b'aal t'shuva
i'm all good,
also i constantly think about my errors day after day, husband says too much,
midda keneged midda.
we can hope for, hell I'm always afraid to to some dufas forget it, i'm burned out
we can pray for peace, but somehow i don't see it happening at all, even within this country, i'm disgusted by half of it. i'm just disgusted.
ugh.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 10:06 AM (HyUIR)
The same excisions should be made for every state - cut out the big cities and make them their own sovereigns. I'd be fine with Philly and Pittsburgh being cut out of PA proper.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 10:06 AM (9hSKh)
well another comment by me that is un-readable, forgive me i'm on my third damn day of no sleep.
i'll just read, as i should have.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 10:08 AM (HyUIR)
I'm not going anywhere! I was born here and I'll be planted here in the USA, I can pile them up deep, deep in my AO before my powder runs out!!|
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:08 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 10:10 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010
02:06 PM (9hSKh)
That is tantamount to secession, since splitting states is explicitly disallowed in the Constitution. ... Of course, the Constitution is very explicit about having to be a 'natural born citizen' to become Commander-in-Chief and we have all sorts of people intentionally ignoring that ...
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 10:12 AM (Qp4DT)
Remember that story about the Harvard student who lied on his applicationsand got into Harvard and received $45K in finaid and is now being prosecuted?
He's referred to as the "Harvard Faker" up here.
Anyway, Harvard University just announced that one of their sophomores enrolled in the college who is 'undocumented' has their "full support" after the illegal was caught in Texas trying to board an airplane.
Both students are guilty of lying and breaking the law. But only one student belongs to the 'protected' class of people in our pc America.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 10:12 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 10:13 AM (sYrWB)
Posted by: Ivan Arseholski at June 13, 2010 10:14 AM (7b1Uc)
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 10:14 AM (HyUIR)
HEY! I'm just a lowly Grunt no need to ever apologize to me, I'll always be the one that anyone that is a Patriot can count on to have their back.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:18 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 10:18 AM (7JES6)
and it will survive Barack Obama, too.
You're wrong. The demographics are a lot different now. And the U.S. has been constantly shifting Leftward since Wilson, therefore will be much easier for the Leftists to finally push us over the edge.
It's about control, you dunce. The Left has control over everything. In Wilson's day and even in Carter's day these people were considered fringe radicals. Today they are mainstream.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 10:19 AM (uFokq)
And what banks are the students currently getingt steered to by the government? Any corruption there?
You need to watch Glenn Beck on Fox. He's been talking about this for weeks.
Posted by: Soona at June 13, 2010 10:20 AM (DGOGp)
Yes. Split between the Chinese, Latinos and the Native Americans. At least, that's what I heard on Today Is Moscow.
Posted by: Ivan Arseholski at June 13, 2010 10:20 AM (7b1Uc)
Posted by: kdl at June 13, 2010 10:20 AM (k8JkR)
We're just going to 'survive' Obama like it's magic.
We're going to magically make it like Obama was just a crazy phase in our nation's history.
Yeah, right.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 10:21 AM (uFokq)
i'll just read, as i should have.
I've been trying to refrain from posting pure, unadulterated hate... FOR THE FUCKING LIBS DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY AND MY FAMILY'S FUTURE! DIE, BASTARDS, DIE! ROAST IN HELL LIKE A PIG ON A SPIT!
... that kinda stuff.
Posted by: dum blond at June 13, 2010 10:23 AM (gbCNS)
I'm of the opinion that it's G-d's awesome sense of humor to have made Jews some of the most prominent carriers of an ideology that ultimately wants to destroy them and Israel.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2010 10:24 AM (imD7p)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 10:25 AM (kO+WM)
It's about control, you dunce. The Left has control over everything. In Wilson's day and even in Carter's day these people were considered fringe radicals. Today they are mainstream.
I truly think there are enough "Americans" to turn this trend around, BUT, I think that the 2010 and 2012 elections are our last chance. If we don't do it now, the USA is doomed.
Posted by: Soona at June 13, 2010 10:27 AM (DGOGp)
First of all, there is a difference, by orders of magnitude, between The Precedent and all others who have led the Executive. They were Americans - bound to American culture. The Precedent is not only NOT bound to our culture, he knows precious little about it and holds it in contempt, anyway. It was only The Precedent who could have forced the Porkulus through, sight unseen, and crowed about it. No "American" would have done that. It was only The Precedent who would have pushed the health scare through after it was killed so many times, threatening to break our legislative institutions in the process. He did that because his first goal was not pass health scare (The Precedent didn't really care about it, as was obvious when he first handed it all off to Congress to run wild with) but to break our institutions.
Do not confuse The Precedent with any American Presidents. There is no comparison.
-->Cycles come and go. It will all be the same a thousand years from now.
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 02:13 PM (sYrWB)
Nothing is totally foolproof. The Founders endeavored to fashion a governmental architecture that was as impervious to the failings of Man as possible and kept itself in check through strict limitations, but that architecture has been totally tossed aside. The US has finally found the limits of its strength and integrity, and blew right past them.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 10:28 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 13, 2010 10:28 AM (TPEo9)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 10:30 AM (73jUp)
Posted by: T.P. Dec. 23rd 1776 at June 13, 2010 10:31 AM (7iUke)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 10:32 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 02:13 PM (sYrWB)
And the credit crisis should have informed you that the continued existence of the US, as an intact entity, hangs very much in the balance. We are only in the eye of that storm and this nation will not survive the next hit, which The Precedent's policies all work to insure we experience.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 10:32 AM (Qp4DT)
Question: When our government of checks and balances is diluted and our Constitution is disregarded by the Executive & Legislatives branches, what chance do we, as a republic, have to survive? What chance do we have to change our government every couple-to-four years as intended?
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 10:32 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 10:34 AM (kO+WM)
Posted by: Soona at June 13, 2010 10:34 AM (DGOGp)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 10:35 AM (kO+WM)
Posted by: ziptie at June 13, 2010 10:36 AM (0135J)
Mexicans living next door have cars all up and down our street from people coming to their house to watch the World Cup. Fuck soccer!!! I ought to call ICE.
Posted by: Soona at June 13, 2010 02:34 PM (DGOGp)
Good luck with that, I doubt they'd care. They'd probably hand out some free salsa and Corona if they even bothered to show up.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 10:37 AM (t72+4)
btw, regarding this so-called bailout...
Y'all need to familiarize yourselves with a recent issue up here concerning the city of Boston's contract renegotiation with it's firefighter's union.
The f.f. union wanted a retroactive 19% pay raise (justified by their concession to drug tests). That's balls.
They didn't get it. They ended up settling for slightly less.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 10:38 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2010 10:41 AM (SV3tA)
Good read, I can't wait for charles johnson to evaporate to hell where he will feel more at home it's going to happen.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:42 AM (4X4q/)
Authoritarianism is the default organizational system of mankind. We've been battling entropy here for 223 years.
BTW, the loss of fresh dairy products will the hardest part of the coming apocalypse for me to bear.
I like my milk and cheese.
Posted by: damian at June 13, 2010 10:43 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 02:32 PM (O3eFQ)
You're right about that. California was the first state that had around 40% of the people paying all the income tax. That leaves 60% that are getting a bunch of stuff (whatever the quality) for free. There is no incentive for the voters to say no because the majority aren't paying for it. The US as a country just went below 50% that actually pay income tax so we are heading the same direction as a nation.
Posted by: robtr at June 13, 2010 10:45 AM (fwSHf)
Splitting States is not prohibited, the Congress just has to approve it, which isn't likely. As for session, up until 1861 ALL the States thought they has the right to secede.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 10:45 AM (6taRI)
It has been a family tradition with my sons and friends ( now grandson) for ages to go out at TG for the 1st squirrel hunt of the season and make a huge pot of gumbo while the bird is cooking, lots of beer involved as well, I get my buttermilk at Kroger, do you make your own?
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:45 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 10:46 AM (aj4hp)
Cycles come and go. It will all be the same a thousand years from now.
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 02:13 PM (sYrWB)
That's what we said.
Posted by: The Zombie Roman Empire at June 13, 2010 10:47 AM (3Dnuf)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 02:32 PM (O3eFQ)
and well deserved I might add. Fuck em'.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 13, 2010 10:47 AM (YVZlY)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 10:49 AM (aj4hp)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 10:50 AM (kO+WM)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 10:50 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: Second Assistant To The Inspector For Drainage Culverts at June 13, 2010 10:51 AM (yovfm)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 10:51 AM (kO+WM)
Posted by: Dave at June 13, 2010 10:52 AM (Wg1Z3)
Cue Kratos.
In the end, there will be only chaos.
/As if the EU wasn't pretty much boned already - this may be the final nail in the coffin.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 10:52 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: the peanut gallery at June 13, 2010 10:52 AM (NurK6)
The huge problem for the state and local governments is that they can't print money. The feds do not have this problem; they can create money out of nothing. They have to either sell their debt to investors or have the feds give them grants and other forms of aid.
In one sense, this is only fair. Realize that foreign governments have access to the Fed magic check writing pen, so why not the states, too?
But the problem is that the whole monetary system is pernicious and is, to a real degree, one giant Ponzi scheme we've all been forced, by law, to participate in. Here's the definition of money, from the Federal Reserve itself: "The decree appears on currency notes: 'This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.' ...[A] forceful explanation as to why money is accepted is that the federal government requires it as payment for tax liabilities. Anticipation of the need to clear this debt creates the demand for the dollar."
Got that? The dollar IS debt. What they are doing when they issue more and more and more debt, is to dilute the value of the dollar you've got in your pocket. By a lot. Through fractional reserve banking magic, this $50 billion package Obama is floating will inject around $500 billion into the economy. That comes as an immediate cost to you, it's not merely debt that your grandkids have to pay off, it immediately dilutes the value of the dollars you're holding right now. It is a new tax, a stealthy one, that few people can even recognize as such.
And of course, every Ponzi scheme such as this money-debt model has an endgame, as you can see by looking at Madoff. A characteristic of this endgame is the problem of trying to keep too many plates spinning in the air; the problem is that robbing Peter to pay Paul, then Mary to pay Luke, gets harder and harder to pull off.
Then, BOOM.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 10:54 AM (XYcTY)
Posted by: the peanut gallery at June 13, 2010 02:52 PM (NurK6)
If be bail them out, all we do is prolong the inevitable. As Monty stated earlier, the systems now in place in California only end in epic fail. Without change, everything remains the same. Bailouts have to end.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at June 13, 2010 10:56 AM (YVZlY)
That's already occurring - just look at the exodus of people and businesses from Doomafornia.
Remember that chaos is fair.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 10:56 AM (9hSKh)
Mavi Marmara @elder of elder of ziyon,
where this ace'lgf. lidwithalid 'started
new info of the flotilla.
i don't believe elder ever got credit. which is wher i have seen the dessimation of the information we were given by MFM started.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 10:58 AM (HyUIR)
When the economy collapses and the Gulf states become uninhabitable, I think many of us Morons should make plans. The Gulf State Morons can migrate to the North/Central states and stay with the morons who have room. We can coordinate on the yahoo group.
/you know, I'm not really joking...
Posted by: shibumi at June 13, 2010 10:58 AM (OKZrE)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 10:59 AM (ih2Cj)
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 02:19 PM (uFokq)
News Flash, guy. For their politics, they were as "mainstrean" then as they are now. All during the Roosevelt and the Truman Administrations, and in more recent years, during the 40 years that the Democrats controlled Congress, the Democrats defined "mainstream" in this country, and Republicans were the minority. That is why the MSM has that bias. It has been ingrained into them by all of the years that the Democrats were considered to be the "mainstream" in this country.
The USA is the greatest country in the history of this planet, and it will continue to be, regardless of who comprises the majority. Demorcrats, Republicans and Independents, alike, are some pretty extraordinary people. Talk of secession is, well, just plain loony.
Posted by: Reality Check Here at June 13, 2010 10:59 AM (sYrWB)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 11:00 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: CAC at June 13, 2010 11:00 AM (Gr1V1)
Remember that chaos is fair.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 02:56 PM (9hSKh)
eventually when they are hunting for rats to eat they will figure it out?
likely not, They'll blame bush and halliburton.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 11:00 AM (HyUIR)
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 11:01 AM (XYcTY)
Mavi Marmara @elder of elder of ziyon,
where this ace'lgf. lidwithalid 'started
new info of the flotilla.
i don't believe elder ever got credit. which is wher i have seen the dessimation of the information we were given by MFM started.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 02:58 PM (HyUIR)
Yep, thats where Chuckles got stole the scoop from out of the comments section of his own blog someone posted a link to that he is whining about no one giving him credit for.
Just remember, he's not a liar and a thief.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:01 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 11:02 AM (ih2Cj)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 11:02 AM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: TexBob at June 13, 2010 10:15 AM (2jp4I)
That's the idea. Now commence to fisticuffs, prols, so we can finish this takeover once and for all.
Posted by: Van Jones, Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn at June 13, 2010 11:03 AM (W8m8i)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2010 11:03 AM (tJF9l)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 11:03 AM (aj4hp)
Translation : He actually enforces the law
Posted by: koopy at June 13, 2010 11:05 AM (awinc)
OK serious question here. Who originally came up with this idea of a "pension" in the first place, and when that plan became obviously unsustainable, why did they keep sticking with it? Too tired to do my own research, thanks in advance.
....I mean, I know the guys that are getting the pension payments for life like it.....
Posted by: NC Ref at June 13, 2010 11:06 AM (22FAo)
Can I ask you all something?
I just saw Barbara Bush, the daughter, say that "Healthcare is a right"
Do conservatives consider George Bush a republican or a conservative?
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:06 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:06 AM (AZGON)
Blazer, maybe with this stealing he will lose the other half of his jewish commentators. You'd think meduara would have done it , but,ok, maybe not
but i can hope
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 11:06 AM (HyUIR)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 11:07 AM (ih2Cj)
Blazer, maybe with this stealing he will lose the other half of his jewish commentators. You'd think meduara would have done it , but,ok, maybe not
but i can hope
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 03:06 PM (HyUIR)
I don't know, but Nekama took him to task yesterday after his very long hiatus. Not sure if he got banned though.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:09 AM (t72+4)
The question is...how many highway dept people did they lay off when they quit mowing???
Probably none. It is a stunt to push for a tax increase.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 11:10 AM (6taRI)
You are correct. My mistake.
-->As for secession, up until 1861 ALL the States thought they has the right to secede.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 02:45 PM (6taRI)
They do have the right to secede, especially when the federal government has broken the Constitution and, thus, rendered it null and void. No one remains bound to a contract that a counter-signatory has violated. The fact that the US forced the Southern states to put into their own Constitutions prohibitions on secession show that it is a state choice and not a federal one.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 11:10 AM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 11:10 AM (HyUIR)
Most of us considered him to be a liberal RINO.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 11:11 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:12 AM (73jUp)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at June 13, 2010 11:13 AM (aG/Y/)
But I would take him over this imbecile any day, I'm biased because he was a good President to the Troops.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 11:13 AM (4X4q/)
/you know, I'm not really joking...
Posted by: shibumi at June 13, 2010 02:58 PM (OKZrE)
I have two empty spare bedrooms and some exra long guns and ammo. There are plenty of nearby households that voted Dem, and I'll be making a more extensive map this election year so that when the time comes for door-to-door grocery shopping I'll know where to go for supplies.
Based on this level of preparedness I believe I can readily house 2 attractive moronettes.
Posted by: Reactionary at June 13, 2010 11:13 AM (4nbyM)
While I had been a lifelong dem, I was centerist/conservative one.
I always thought access to healthcare is a right, but healthcare itself is not a right. And in a country as generous as this, there is much access to those who need it but cannot afford it.
But I don't agree with forcing people to buy HC under the penalty of jail and taxes.
I always though of GWB as a social conservative, but I do not see him as a fiscal conservative or as a constitution conservative.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:14 AM (ACkhT)
Do conservatives consider George Bush a republican or a conservative?
Republican RINO.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 11:14 AM (9hSKh)
Do conservatives consider George Bush a republican or a conservative?
William F. Buckley said that Bush had some conservative tendencies but that he wasn't a conservative. I think that's a fair analysis.
Posted by: The Band at June 13, 2010 11:15 AM (QtRBc)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:15 AM (AZGON)
The question is...how many highway dept people did they lay off when they quit mowing???
Probably none. It is a stunt to push for a tax increase.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 03:10 PM (6taRI)
Actually, Va. layed off hundreds of state workers. McDonnell came in and started making cuts across the board. The real problem is the bluer municipalities raising things like property taxes, putting in luxury taxes and raising the fines for things like parking and speeding tickets. That's how they make up for not making cuts and giving themselves pay raises.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:15 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:16 AM (73jUp)
FIFM.
Healthcare isn't a "right". Always loved how the libs want to give us state-funded sub-par "rights", but want to take away our natural rights such as the right to free speech or to bear arms.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 11:17 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 11:18 AM (XYcTY)
Thanks for answering my question. I must admit I was stunned to see a Bush say that. I am now understanding the difference between a conservative and a republican, they are not one in the same. I always lumped them together.
Most independents like me consider myself a conservative Independent.
I read about 2 weeks back, GWB's assement of Tea Parties : "movements like this come and go"
I was pretty irrated to read that. And now I'm realising he was a repubilcan, not necessarly a conservative.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:18 AM (ACkhT)
Oh yes, I agree with that.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 11:19 AM (6taRI)
While I had been a lifelong dem, I was centerist/conservative one.
I always thought access to healthcare is a right, but healthcare itself is not a right. And in a country as generous as this, there is much access to those who need it but cannot afford it.
But I don't agree with forcing people to buy HC under the penalty of jail and taxes.
I always though of GWB as a social conservative, but I do not see him as a fiscal conservative or as a constitution conservative.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 03:14 PM (ACkhT)
The thing is, its already a right whether you pay for it or not. You can walk into any emergency room in the country and get care and most that do never pay for it. Yea, it raises the cost of insurance for everyone else, but what chaps my ass is a lot of the same folks who gripe about not having insurance and that healthcare is a right can afford $200 a month telephone, cable and internet access and drive around in $40,000 suv's
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:21 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 03:15 PM (t72+4)
Yeah thats for sure. We took a trip to DC and got nailed for an expired meter ticket in Crystal City on a damn Saturday. Fkn Saturday!
Posted by: NC Ref at June 13, 2010 11:21 AM (22FAo)
How long until Obama subsidizes the print media? It's the first step in making the unofficial state-run media into the official state-run media.
Remember, Chavez's Venezuela is Obama's model.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 11:22 AM (uFokq)
That kind of brought me up short, too. Wasn't she talking about Africa?
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 11:22 AM (fwW9R)
I always thought access to healthcare is a right, but healthcare itself is not a right.
A good rule of thumb is that if someone else has to pay for it for you to have it, then it's not a right.
Free speech: a right
Owning a weapon: a right, assuming you provide your own weapon
Choosing your manner of livelihood: a right
Free or subsidized healthcare: not a right
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2010 11:22 AM (3Dnuf)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:23 AM (73jUp)
Heh, yeah, don't gloat over others' misfortunes -- what happens to them today, likely happens to you tomorrow.
Let's all hope that we can muddle through this as best we can -- and I do mean muddle through. I would like to think that the elections this year could help to stop the tide, which eventually could be rolled back, but there is every possibility that the republic is for all intents and purposes officially dead. It's always been a nagging worry in the back of my mind, what comes after this clown posse? I'm afraid we may find out in the next few years.
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 11:24 AM (5/yRG)
That right there. Gives me major ass chappage as well, Blazer.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 11:24 AM (fwW9R)
Buying beer = a right, never leave that out in fact if you can buy beer and guns in the same shop that's perfect.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 11:24 AM (4X4q/)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:24 AM (AZGON)
They Republicans need to explain why this is a crucial decision point in the future of our country. The root cause of our current economic problem is a crisis of confidence in our ability to pay our debts. The exact opposite of what you should do then would be to borrow $50B to bail out states and cities that are themselves spending more than they bring in. It's Roosevelt & his Brain Trust extending the Depression all over again, with Jimmy Carter getting his ass kicked by a rabbit thrown in for good measure.
Posted by: motionview at June 13, 2010 11:24 AM (f2eZu)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 03:22 PM (fwW9R)
I really could not tell, frankly that statement stunned me. Malaria shots is not healthcare, there are many many agencies in the US who give to this cause [and others] willingly.
While her cause is to appauled, the level of ignorance being displayed by her was very revealing.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:25 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: damian at June 13, 2010 11:26 AM (4WbTI)
Right-O.
And in the places where healthcare is a "right", there's plenty of people that die waiting for their promised "right" of healthcare.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 11:26 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:26 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Barry O. at June 13, 2010 11:27 AM (Gk/wA)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:27 AM (7JES6)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:28 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 11:29 AM (kO+WM)
Virginia needs to repave some damn roads like yesterday. I've never seen so many potholes in my life (except in warzones and those weren't really potholes but craters!).
Posted by: CDR M at June 13, 2010 03:18 PM (5I8G0)
You got that right, this past winter really did a number on the roads especially in and around Richmond. Its almost as bad as some of the cities I've driven in up in the northeast.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:31 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Monty at June 13, 2010 11:31 AM (O3eFQ)
Do conservatives consider George Bush a republican or a conservative?
Republican RINO.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 03:14 PM (9hSKh)
This I think is the idealogical hole in the lawn that a lot of perople step in.
First: What is a right, and exactly what does a "right" entail? Would you say I have a right to breath? You probably would, and I do too, but does that necessitate that the government come out to my house and monitor my breathing or give me subsidies and disincentives for breathing correctly or incorrectly? I'd hope not. I just don't want the government or anyone else to prevent me from breathing; the rest I'll take care of myself.
Second: I think a better argument, and a cleaner way of thinking of health care is from an economic perspective. If those cost by society for heath care are indeed born out by society, then I think the best way out is to see that those costs are born as efficiently as possible, with as many controls in the hands of the consumer as possible. That breeds efficiency. It's when that process is disconnected that you get problems like we have today. Those problems are then used by the Left to mandate more government controll instead of looking at the greater baseline problems and simply attempting to fix them.
In any event, the whole process does not lend itself to very many ideological straight lines from A to B, and that is where many lose the plot. Are we trying to fix a problem or are we looking to demonstrate some form of ideological consistency?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 13, 2010 11:31 AM (oIp16)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at June 13, 2010 11:32 AM (Gk/wA)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:32 AM (73jUp)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:32 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: politicalmuse at June 13, 2010 11:33 AM (kLKnf)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:34 AM (73jUp)
Of course, only "free" for those who aren't supporting the "government" with increasingly large percentages of their earnings. The old saw from the 60s works just as well now. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 11:34 AM (fwW9R)
A financial storm may last a long time and will probably be worse.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 13, 2010 11:35 AM (aG/Y/)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:36 AM (7JES6)
I'm willing to bet tire
companies/repair shops are making a killing here in the Norfolk area. I
see about 5-10 cars A DAY on the side of the road changing tires. I
suspect most of them were damaged due to the HUGE potholes in the road.
Posted by: CDR M at June 13, 2010 03:32 PM (5I8G0)
I've made several mental notations of the impact crater sized potholes on the routes I drive on back and forth to work everyday and avoid them at all costs.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:36 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:36 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:38 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:38 AM (EA+Co)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 11:38 AM (kO+WM)
George @ 405
Technically, the Federal Reserve cannot own anything not backed by the full faith and credit of the United States govt, by law. That might be offered as a reason why they can't buy state debts.
It's a piss-poor argument, thought, because the law is conveniently ignored all the time now.
But,. I suppose if Obama does not get the cover he wants in Congress it will come down to this.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 11:39 AM (XYcTY)
i pretty much believe americans in general believe those in immediate crisis as dieing,
heart attack
gunshot
etc,
believe in medical assisting in saving that right to life. no matter what
healthcare in that you have a cold ,hangnail, want breast augmentation,, sex change, free without a bill..anything.
srsly what's wrong with a bill?. choose to decide the doctors education , time, nurses time, medicines and research time, is worth paying for.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 11:39 AM (HyUIR)
$1000 dollar 60 " big screen hdtv's , $500 Louis Vuitton purses and $300 iPhones are necessities wingers !
Posted by: Your average libtard at June 13, 2010 11:40 AM (t72+4)
Probably the only reason booze is still legal, rawmuse. Speaking of which . . .
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 11:40 AM (fwW9R)
Even access to health care is not a right. No one has a "right" to anyone else's labor, and all health care requires the time and labor of someone else. It is not in the government's power to give one person "the right" to make another person work for him.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 13, 2010 11:41 AM (Qp4DT)
Raoul Ortega #143
Do you own a cache of firearms?
Do you have adequate ammunition and spare parts on hand?
Do you practice regularly?
If you answered the above in the affirmative, will you decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH to protect yourself?
If the answer to any of the above is NO, how will you taste cooked in my favorite BBQ sauce?
There are two kinds of people after TSHTF, firearms wielders, and victims...
Posted by: Armageddon Rex at June 13, 2010 11:42 AM (43Xq6)
A right is the inverse of a universal obligation.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not steal.
We have a universal obligation not to take our neighbors' lives or property. Therefore, they have a right to life and property. (The other famous member of that trio, "Liberty," is just a form of property since you are your own property and therefore have power to use yourself in the way that seems best to you.)
To say that anyone has a right to X means others have an obligation to leave that X alone. You'll notice that involuntarily giving up the fruit of your labor to provide a service for someone else doesn't fit in this formula.
Ergo, there is no "right" to health care, or transportation, or schooling, or Internet access, or anything else. Those things are incompatible with the language and philosophy of rights.
Posted by: The Band at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (QtRBc)
What % of this $50B goes untimately to union members? From the Bureau of labor Statistics ..the union membership rate for public sector workers (37.4 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private industry workers (7.2 percent). So the 110M of us who are not in a union are expected to mortgage our children's future so that 15M union members can keep their cushy deals and fat pensions? We have to draw a line in the sand.
Posted by: motionview at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (f2eZu)
Now I read it, and every damn sentence is a thesis in itself, and all put together, its a great summation of how the budget, bit by assistant to the assistant bit, is mostly extra-constitutional and out of control.
One of my little fantasies is that a congress would take the budget, label all expenditures as either clearly constitutionaly authorized, call those "Government 1", and all of the other activities would be called "Government 2."
Government 1 endeavers could fly the flag at their facilities and have the respect and cooperation of the American people.
Government 2 could only be funded by voluntary contributions by those who feel their services are invaluable. They can fly the UN flag or whatever.
I haven't thought this totally though, but a meat clever taken to the budget is the basic jist.
Unfortunately, even if my plan were implemented, we would have to pay taxes at the rate as if Goverment 2 still existed as we repay the debt we took on to pay for it.
Posted by: lurker doug at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (HwIdb)
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (XYcTY)
Posted by: koopy at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (awinc)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (AZGON)
Heh, I know what you mean! I
learned the other day when leaving the base onto 564, don't make a lane
change into the middle lane going into the tunnel that goes under the
runway as there is a two foot by one foot pothole in the middle of the
road. I guess they figure that since it is in the middle of the road,
nobody should hit it. I guess they never think people will make lane
changes or maneuver for the idiot texting something.
Posted by: CDR M at June 13, 2010 03:41 PM (5I8G0)
I've hit a few on 64 and 95 around Richmond that will literally knock your vehicle into the next lane.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:43 AM (t72+4)
“These measures to jump-start private sector job creation, avoid massive layoffs at the local and state levels and help the unemployed are critical and timely ways to further that economic recovery,”
That is a flat out lie he contradicts himself in the statement even, this guy has no shame whatsoever.
Posted by: Oldcrow at June 13, 2010 11:45 AM (bitxf)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:47 AM (73jUp)
They either collect it with taxes or collect it with inflation. If they try to collect it with taxes you get the FDR/LBJ/Carter route. The economy goes further in the hole and the situation just gets worse. This is why it is imperative that we simply quit spending GD money.
That means the Peggy Joseph's of the country will have to get off their ass and work or starve.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 11:50 AM (6taRI)
“These measures to jump-start private sector job creation, avoid massive layoffs at the local and state levels and help the unemployed are critical and timely ways to further that economic recovery,”
That is a flat out lie he contradicts himself in the statement even, this guy has no shame whatsoever.
Posted by: Oldcrow at June 13, 2010 03:45 PM (bitxf)
You know how I know Wee Wee is lying ? Besides the fact that he is opening his mouth he's letting the oil companies remove their rigs from the Gulf and move them down to Brazil thanks to his moratorium on deep water drilling. That's gonna raise the price of gasoline, put tens of thousands of Americans out of work and harm the economy even further.
He cares about the economy and putting people to work about as much as I care about who wore what to the Academy awards.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 11:50 AM (t72+4)
I just donated to Sharron Angle, I am planning to to hold some fundraisers for her as well . If I had told myself 3 years that I would be donating to a consitutional conservative like Angle, I would not have believed myself.
Please donate to SharronAngle dot com
she has raised 520K since Tuesday
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:50 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 11:51 AM (4X4q/)
speaking of President False Pretense...
can't wait for the Tuesday night bullshit. In fact I've been handed a preview of Obama's address. I'll boil it down for you.
"As president, I take full responsibility. The buck stops at my desk. As president, I'll use all the resources at my disposal, such as your hard-earned tax-dollars, to throw money at the cleanup efforts in the Gulf. [...] Don't blame me. This oil spill happened because of the 8-year presidency of George Bush."
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 11:51 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Perez Hilton at June 13, 2010 11:53 AM (AZGON)
so in 2008, the strategy: Its Bush's fault
2010: Its still Bush's fault
2012: Its always Bush's fault
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at June 13, 2010 11:53 AM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 09:07 AM (6taRI)
Exactly. Not every government worker is union. This will ultimately be the undoing of the Democratic coalition. A friend of mine is a lifelong Democrat who campaigned for Obama once Palin appeared on the national ticket. Here in NY, her group home which cared for 70 LGBT foster kids was closed, along with dozens of others citywide. She has her masters and can probably get a new job, but the children will go back on the streets and the employees who had low salaries and little higher education (mostly minorities) will have a hard time finding steady employment.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 13, 2010 11:54 AM (mHQ7T)
To recap:
1) I take full responsibility
2) My admin will not rest until we have regulations in place to ensure this never happens again.
3) We must get off our addiction to oil.
4) We must invest more $$ into green energy.
5) Don't blame me.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 11:55 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 11:55 AM (7JES6)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 13, 2010 11:56 AM (DB92a)
Hey, 'Nam, what's for dinner?
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 11:57 AM (fwW9R)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 11:59 AM (AZGON)
The list of "invaluable" services will get smaller if the bleeding-heads have to pay for them out of their aftertax income.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 13, 2010 12:00 PM (M9BNu)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 12:00 PM (73jUp)
he's letting the oil companies remove their rigs from the Gulf and move them down to Brazil thanks to his moratorium on deep water drilling
Don't forget..he lent gave Petrobas, the state-owned Brazilian oil company $2 billion of our tax dollars to finance exploration off their coast.
OK..why?? Given all he has said about the evils of oil...this makes no sense.
I'm telling you..he is purposely trying to destroy the economy.
The guy in Maine has been yelling for weeks how he has all this boom...and has the capability to make miles and miles of it per day. Reps from both the US gov't and BP were there three weeks ago to inspect it.
OK..why have they not procured it and hauled it down there where Jindal and others have been screaming for it?? They may not be able to stop the leak right off....but why are they not doing everything they can to mitigate the damage??
..because the jug-eared Marxist motherfucker can use it for his rationale to stop drilling
Never let a crisis go to waste
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 12:02 PM (AnTyA)
Blazer.
what's always annoyed me about this discussion is that the Left seems to conquer it , over our protestations
where is the republican party besides saying drill here drillnow, sure we understand it..
but dem dopes don't
do dem dopes assume oil miraculously occurs> or electricity? with no effort but throwing up a windmills or the likeminded ideas,, that doesn't have the power to generate enough for 300 million as yet?
when dems say no drilling. do they understand we cannot drive to work many of us have to go 20 miles. do they realize if we don't drill we buy and support despots around the world to hold us over the proverbial barrel ? realize what we don't produce we allow chavez, saud's, iran too, and support our own demise?
don't they see the Al Gores live in mansions, drive while dragging behind them a gazillion limos, that Al Gore isn't serious about green?
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2010 12:02 PM (HyUIR)
Drooling with envy. Hey, why don't you start a line of frozen dinners? I'm back working and all about the "freezer to the face in 5 minutes or less" these days.
You could call in 'Nom Grunt.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 12:03 PM (fwW9R)
Posted by: Barack, Lord of the Flyswatters at June 13, 2010 12:05 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 12:06 PM (73jUp)
You're right, GO. Obama won't say don't blame me. He'll say, "This spill is the direct result of the policies of the last eight years."
*He'll say that phrase even though it's not accurate because last eight years is code for Blame Bush. And the media won't even blink; they'll nod in approval.
Posted by: fishdicks at June 13, 2010 12:07 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 12:07 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: The Band at June 13, 2010 12:08 PM (QtRBc)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 04:06 PM (t72+4)
Right away. Is that in game?
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 12:08 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 12:10 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 13, 2010 12:10 PM (TPEo9)
Haha, I don't do frozen dinners and I would never wish that on anyone.
Fine, be all snooty. Next thing we know, you'll be carrying a purse. ';-p
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 12:11 PM (fwW9R)
Posted by: Nighthawk at June 13, 2010 12:11 PM (21Jz7)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 04:06 PM (t72+4)
The Bush wanted poster?
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2010 12:11 PM (VuLos)
WTF? What game's that from?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 12:12 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 04:06 PM (t72+4)
Right away. Is that in game?
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 04:08 PM (YX6i/)
If it is I hope they have sense enough to take it out. As someone who really loved the last console iteration of Dues Ex and was really looking forward to a sequel I assure you I ain't going anywhere near this if it has a bunch of libtard garbage in it.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 12:14 PM (t72+4)
There's nothing to stop him from doing that. There's also no requirement that the Fed actually obey such an order, so if they didn't, what would Barry do? If Bernanke decided to go along with it, the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks still might not (or some might not). The Chairman is only first among equals on the Fed's Board of Governors, and while the Board sets policies for the whole system, the Board has no assets of its own under its direct control, as opposed to those each of the Federal Reserve Banks. Keep in mind that the majority of the directors of each Federal Reserve Bank is appointed by its local member banks, which are private commercial banks.
Posted by: Dave J. at June 13, 2010 12:14 PM (DCQ0q)
The only thing you'll ever see me carrying that resembles a purse is a claymore bag full of ammo or a claymore, as for frozen dinners it's too easy to learn how to cook instead of eating that poison.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 13, 2010 12:14 PM (4X4q/)
Thanks again CDR M. Character movement looks fluid and I like the dual-lightsaber combat. Hope the controls are on par.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 12:14 PM (9hSKh)
445 Cute -- you realize the birdflu isn't going to ask for your ideological affiliation, right?
It isn't just the welfare queens and poor that are the problem. Case in point:
My husband went to drop off some stuff at the local food bank (between our garden and my mom's we just have too much, and lettuce doesn't freeze). We have a lot of working (or used to work until they got laid off) poor around here -- they could use the help. While there are always the fat, welfare queens during the last couple of years the number of really think, worn out looking families has been rising.
At the food bank there were the usual people...and there were also some soccer moms there. One was driving a newish Escalade and talking on her crackberry; the other was in a looked to be brand spanking new Lexus and had a three carat rock on her finger. And they were dressed very well, hair done to a tee, makeup, manicures, the works. My husband thought they were there to donate...oh no, they were there to pick up (the maximum people are allowed too -- and that is why he noticed them so much). As for their political affiliation -- around here it's a toss up; the R's are just as corrupt and crony as the D's. Pray tell when was it considered "ok" for people with that much wealth on them to get what is essentially a charity service?
My husband took note of what they looked like -- just in case the day of atonement comes.
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 12:14 PM (5/yRG)
Z Ryan put this up the other night. Click on the link and see if you can spot it.
WTF? What game's that from?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:12 PM (9hSKh)
Dues Ex: The Human Revolution
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Posted by: George Orwell at June 13, 2010 12:18 PM (AZGON)
Louis Vitton purses are at $5,000? Don't know about Louis Vitton, but the wife bought a prized Escada purse back in the early 90's for around $500.00. I see a similar Escada one now at around $1750.00.
So, to examine Monty's point from the ONT
1991: Escada purse, $500.00, 1 oz. gold, $360.00. Purse in gold terms: 1.38 oz,
2010: Escada purse, $1750.00, 1oz. gold, $1250.00, Purse in gold terms: 1.4 oz.
Looks like one unit of money, managed by a group of highly technical and educated wizards whose first mandate is "too keep inflation under control", has lost out to, essentially, a dumb rock.
Why's that?
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 12:20 PM (XYcTY)
Oh, trust me, I do know how to cook. But I'm just one little person and spending 10-12 hours a day outside the home. No way in hell I come home and start making a mess.
Plus, I was just tickling you.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 12:21 PM (fwW9R)
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Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 04:21 PM (fwW9R)
Maybe the two of us could go on a date sometime?
Posted by: Eric Massa at June 13, 2010 12:24 PM (YVZlY)
Unknown Jane, those women your husband saw....they probably have no shame and would therefore, most likely, not care too much, but is he planning on asking any questions the next time they come by for freebies?
It would be interesting to hear their rationalizations.
Posted by: Who Knows at June 13, 2010 12:26 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Agmike at June 13, 2010 12:32 PM (42+k9)
486 I think he is; of course he may not...and just take down their license number.
Not sure it would be worth hearing their rationalizations -- doubtful they would even have any come to think of it.
Posted by: unknown jane, humanities major, Cubs fan at June 13, 2010 12:33 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2010 12:45 PM (fwW9R)
The great man, none other than Ted Kennedy's brother John F. Kennedy signed an executive order making it legal for federal employees to unionize.
Could not a sitting President negate repeal or otherwise disembowel a former Chief Executive's order?
Posted by: Major "King" Kong at June 13, 2010 01:18 PM (E7i+5)
Posted by: rawmuse at June 13, 2010 01:39 PM (kO+WM)
WTF?
Posted by: Timbo at June 13, 2010 10:34 AM (ph9vn)
Because you've made it clear that you hate the unfortunate. Even if people who have fallen on hard times come out and support your msg of personal liberty and a robust economy, you still have to talk shit about the poor, gays and women. Even if they want nothing from you but to be left alone, you still feel the need to kick them while they're down. So much for equality and tolerance. You're just a bunch of unfuckable assholes who have to put others down to feel better about yourselves.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 13, 2010 02:05 PM (mHQ7T)
This agrees a little with what I've seen in some of the Sailersphere blogs, that teachers' unions have worn out their welcome amongst the SWPL crowd. Upscale parents see that the children (of others) are still not doing well; since they can't blame IQ, they're blaming the unions.
Posted by: Zimriel at June 13, 2010 02:53 PM (rtzHA)
And the poster boy for this kind of stupidity is....California.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 13, 2010 03:50 PM (4dOKX)
Might as well toss the money in a pig trough.
Oh wait.
Posted by: Clever Moniker at June 13, 2010 08:04 PM (qs11W)
“These measures to jump-start private sector job creation, avoid massive layoffs at the local and state levels and help the unemployed are critical and timely ways to further that economic recovery,” the president wrote, adding that “robust economic growth is essential for achieving deficit reduction.”
Brilliant.. we'll get out of debt by throwing more money away. What a fucking economic genius this man is. I thought the last trillion dollars he wasted was supposed to spend our way out of debt, was it not enough?
Lets throw a quadrillion dollars into the money hole, then everyone will magically be rich and nobody will ever have to work again.
What? If his statement makes sense, mine probably does too.
Posted by: Gekkobear at June 13, 2010 10:37 PM (ZbC9T)
Not true. A) Obama can't impose any system, the states pass those laws. I am in NY and deal with school districts, the unions are pretty much fat and happy still. Your friend is passing you a load of b.s. so you will begin to believe in Obama. He is obviously not a libertarian, or else is an idiot.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at June 14, 2010 04:10 AM (sOx93)
Tonight it was reported that Pelosi has a huge war chest to help vulnerable Dems in the November election. Republicans have a fraction of that amount. It is difficult to understand how Republicans are going to boot the liberal socialists when Americans chose an empty suit (who had a blank resume) - who is a master at the perpetual campaign.
While Independents agree with conservatives on fiscal issues, they are put off by politicians campaigning on bedroom issues (homosexual marriage, abortions). If that is the Republican strategy, it is a loser.
Sad to say - we may be counting our chickens before they hatch. We must get rid of the Democrats or personal freedom will soon be a distant memory in this country.
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Meh.
Not quite as fun as zombie apocalypse, but at least we'll still have bacon for awhile.
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