1 I'm not a witch?

2 So I'm curious if any other country on this planet (even, say Cuba or the former USSR) ever requires(d) a person to purchase a product as a requirement for lawful residence. Is there any?

3 The state of Texas does not require drivers to purchase automobile insurance. The state of Texas does require a licensed driver to demonstrate "proof of financial responsibility", that is, your ability to cover the cost, up to certain amounts, of damage or injury as a result of your negligence.

No state requires insurance merely to move from one place to the other. If a person opts not to purchase auto insurance, there are multiple options available: bus, taxi, hitchhike, bicycle, etc., etc.

You don't have any choice to not breathe.

4 The socialist in the White House can fuck off. I am a free American. He can go to hell if he thinks I'd buy heasthcare simply because it is mandated.

5 "One argument that has always fallen flat with me, is the comparison between "the federal government requiring you to purchase health insurance" and "a state government requiring you to purchase car insurance." However, I'm under no obligation to own a car. If I don't want to spend money on insurance, then I don't have to buy a car. I'm forced to participate in Obamacare.

6 If the feeral government can force you into commerce, one wonders what impact this will have when corporate entities come to understand that it would now be possible to have legislation passed that could make them a monopoly (or put them out of business) with a single vote of each chamber on Capitol Hill.
Imagine if Pepsi is legislated to be the “cola that must be bought by Americans.”  Coke would have to fold itÂ’s tent.

7

 So I'm curious if any other country on this planet (even, say Cuba or the former USSR) ever requires(d) a person to purchase a product as a requirement for lawful residence. Is there any?

In Switzerland, you're required to own a gun..

...that's a cool law

8 #5  I'm forced to participate in Obamacare.

Under the bogus premise that one cannot completely opt out of the healthcare market.

9 I bet Antonin Scalia already has a draft opinion. He's going to have to arm wrestle Roberts and Thomas and Alito for the privilege but I'm guessing he'll win. Should be a beutiful thing to behold. I hope it's the majority opinion. Regardless, only the lesbians will be sitting there at the next state of the union.

10 Regardless, only the lesbians will be sitting there at the next state of the union.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2010 09:06 PM (ZVVSe)

All three of them?

Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble!

11 Think the SCOTUS jurists will mention among themselves that if this thing isn't repealed that there's bound to be a Constitutional Convention to thwart it?  I don't want just the mandate repealed, I want all the other horse manure repealed -- the whole enchilada -- like the part where I have to pay them a percentage of my home sale because it's tucked into ObamaScare.

12 I don't think Ginsberg counts as she's mostly dead.

13 Let's see how many things now are construed by the government to be the opposite of what the Founders and the majority of American's today defined them as:

1.The right to bear arms
2. Interstate commerce
3. Equality
4. Marriage
5. LIFE

Does anyone still think we don't need some Constitutional Amendments? And fast? I wonder if they would even do any good with the way office holders now routinely get away with abdicating their duty to uphold and defend a law simply because they don't agree with it.

14  I bet Antonin Scalia already has a draft opinion. He's going to have to arm wrestle Roberts and Thomas and Alito for the privilege but I'm guessing he'll win. Should be a beutiful thing to behold. I hope it's the majority opinion. Regardless, only the lesbians will be sitting there at the next state of the union.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2010 09:06 PM (ZVVSe)

Will the lebanese have to recuse herself since she was in on this monstrosity when it was unleashed?

15 12 I don't think Ginsberg counts as she's mostly dead.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2010 09:09 PM (ZVVSe)

I think I saw her on display at the King Tut Exhibition in Denver this year.

16

Will the lebanese have to recuse herself since she was in on this monstrosity when it was unleashed?

Posted by: RushBabe at October 08, 2010 09:10 PM (a3Z62)

Well, if she had any decency, sure...

Wait!

17

The difference between states requiring drivers to buy insurance and the Obamacare mandate is even more fundamental.  If as a driver you can't prove your financial responsibility by buying auto insurance or in some other way (or you just don't wish to), you're not automatically breaking the law.  You only break the law if you then choose to drive.

On the other hand, under Obamacare, there is no way to not break the law.  If you're breathing, you have to buy medical coverage. 

Oh wait.  You can decide not to live by putting a bullet in your head.  Then I suppose you're excused from buying coverage.

 

18 14 Oooo. I bet she will. She may not have to though. I was surprised she recused herself at all, I'd be more surprised at that. She may have to though

19

Posted by: Cicero at October 08, 2010 09:12 PM (Jl3/t)

...and in many states, only liability is required

It's a stupid fucking analogy...but that doesn't stop the jug eared idiot Ogabe and the rest of the libtards

20 Well a Clinton appointed federal judge in MI became the first judge to rule on one of these cases today when he ruled that Obamacare was all well and good and no Constitution problems.

21

We were just told today that, starting in 2013, the company for which I work (a VERY large enterprise with VERY GOOD health insurance) will be moving us to a HSA/Copay model (we currently have 0 in copay), starting in....(drumroll....)

2013.

Gosh, I wonder what is significant about that date?

Apparently the cost of health insurance is increasing rapidly, outpacing even *our* ability to make money. Go Obamacare!!!

I fucking hate these pieces of shit that did this to us. LITERALLY hate them, with a special feeling reserved only for child rapists.

22

#20 - no need for something as crude as bullets.

We have death panels for you conservatives.

23 Love the hair, Mike.

24 In addition to the "implied consent" rule with driving a vehicle there is also the thing that States can do a lot of stuff that the federals can't do because the Constitution limits the feds, not the States.

Or, that is the way it is supposed to work.

The main reason that it is unconstitutional is that there is NOTHING in the list of things that the Congress can do that supports health care.

25
If you conservative complainers are unhappy with mandated Obama Care, you're really going to be irritated when Obama and his minions at Government Motors required you to purchase the Chevrolet Volt. 

It's cheap at 41K, and with a taxpayer funded $7500 discount, it's a bargain at $33,500.

PS - The home charger has now been priced at a bargain $490.  Not a game changer, but the cost of installation of the charger is now estimated at $1475?

Just imagine, you can now take it up the ass for only $35,500, and you will enjoy it. 

26 I'm guessing that Alito is still pissed off at being humiliated at the state of the union. I don't even see some of the actually living members of the court being pleased with the disdain in which Obama apparently holds them. Who do we have left Breyer, mostly dead ginsberg, and the lesbians? Kennedy could go either way. Safely we have Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia. (I love Scalia--his mind is like a steel trap). If Kagan has to recuse herself, then it's 3 libtard/eugenasists vs 4 normal americans and that squish Kennedy.

27

Remember Ogabe's tale of woe regarding car insurance?

When I was young, just got out of college, I had to buy auto insurance. I had a beat-up old car. And I won’t name the name of the insurance company, but there was a company — let’s call it Acme Insurance in Illinois. And I was paying my premiums every month. After about six months I got rear-ended and I called up Acme and said, I’d like to see if I can get my car repaired, and they laughed at me over the phone because really this was set up not to actually provide insurance; what it was set up was to meet the legal requirements. But it really wasn’t serious insurance.

The genius Harvard law grad couldn't even figure out the difference between liability and collision coverage..

...and if he were rear ended as he claimed...the other guy was liable

28
The Colbert Democrats

3 days before the election -  two democrat comedians will do what they can to promote their party and their parties incompetence.

29 I'm getting better.

30 Obama can fuck off, but I wouldnt rely on this to kill the Deathcare Star.

31 I'm all for Colbert taking all the door knockers and phone callers to DC for the day. They won't be getting out any votes.

32 I think I'll go for a walk.

33 I feel happy. I feel happy.

34 O/T - Obama vacation photos -- and not the ones you think.

35
Just to create hate and discontent on the thread, let me state that S E Cupp with her librarian glasses is in Washington tonight humping some guy and it's not you. 

36 The privilege of driving a vehicle here is granted with the requirement that you can demonstrate your ability to pay for your mistakes.

Who grants you that privilege, DiT?

37 37

mostly dead ginsberg

In fairness to Ginsberg, she's fighting pancreatic cancer. It's particularly nasty and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:25 PM (uCjoj)

Good to know, Chris.  On the other hand, I wouldn't wish Justice Ginsberg on anyone, either.

38

I can go one better. Mary Katharine Ham is humping someone who is not only not you, but also a hardcore lib.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:27 PM (uCjoj)

I believe he's a professor, and yes it's depressing because she could be humping a true conservative with moronic tendencies.

39 34 I think I'll go for a walk.

Posted by: Ruth Ginsberg at October 08, 2010 09:24 PM (Jl3/t)

You're not fooling anyone, you know!

40 Just to create hate and discontent on the thread, let me state that S E Cupp with her librarian glasses is in Washington tonight humping some guy and it's not you. 

Posted by: Fish at October 08, 2010 09:26 PM (v1gw3)

Whatever man.  Eat your heart out.

41 42

I can go one better. Mary Katharine Ham is humping someone who is not only not you, but also a hardcore lib.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:27 PM (uCjoj)

Oh God, those sweet, long legs wrapped around the pimply hairy back of some liberal.  What is wrong with her?

42

O/T - Obama vacation photos -- and not the ones you think.

Dorothea Lange's brand of photography has come back in style in the Obama Economy.  Nice pshop though.

43

37

Ginsberg about Roe v Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalised abortion:

Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we donÂ’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.

 

 

44
Would the Maryland Senator be Barbara Mikulski?  If so, whomever is the selected humpee is a very lucky man (woman)?

45 Late to the party.  Too busy bitch-slapping that silly pussy Raykon.  Miss anything?

46 I. WILL. NOT. COMPLY.

47

In fairness to Ginsberg, she's fighting pancreatic cancer. It's particularly nasty and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:25 PM (uCjoj)

Not only that but she just buried her husband. I hate her politics but give the old broad a break as far as her illness is concerned.

48 She should know she can't be truly satisfied from liberal dick. It will waive the white flag before the job is done.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:30 PM (uCjoj)

Yes, suddenly a white flag with the word BANG! will pop out of the business end.

49 50 Late to the party.  Too busy bitch-slapping that silly pussy

Posted by: Jane D'oh, first class flight attendant at October 08, 2010 09:32 PM (UOM4

Umm... may I subscribe to your newsletter??  Please??

50
Doesn't that count as necrophilia? Because I swear she's not really alive and hasn't been in a decade.

Posted by: Chris in Va at October 08, 2010 09:33 PM (uCjoj)

I sometimes confuse Babs Mikulski with the original Skeletor, Alan Colmes.

51 We've got an artist friend who's fighting pancreatic cancer.  Bravest, smartest woman I know, with the exception of D'oh's cousin's wife.  Forties.  Young sons.  Seventh year into fighting melanoma.  And now she knows it's fatal.  She has had the blessing of the best, brightest docs on the planet treating her (she's a prof and so's her husband--Boston, certain Ivy U.)

52 @56: I often saw Colmes as more the Bill the Cat type

http://tinyurl.com/2f5uyaz

53 If I don't want to spend money on insurance, then I don't have to buy a car. Actually, there's no financial responsibility requirement when you purchase a car. You can own a car AND DRIVE IT without insurance any time you want. As long as you're not doing it on a publicly funded road. Own a couple of hundred acres? Pave your own roads on your own land and drive like a maniac. Yank out all the smog gear and spew all the dirty exhaust you want. All perfectly legal, as long as you don't venture off of your own property. Car insurance has NOTHING to do with cars. It has everything to do with financial responsibility while using a piece of publicly funded infrastructure. The only way that the car insurance analogy works for health care is if you seek treatment from a publicly funded clinic or hospital. Even then, it's a stretch.

54
I look forward to the day when Nancy Pelosi is on Maury Povich describing her tale of woe when the republicans fucked her but didn't kiss her.

55 I remember the history books talking about how Thomas Jefferson had to buy horse insurance when he traveled away for Monticello--because of the mandate!

56

In fairness to Ginsberg, she's fighting pancreatic cancer. It's particularly nasty and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

Posted by: Chris in Va

You're too nice about her...   Liberal blogs would be wishing pancreatic cancer upon any and everyone on the right. 

57 @55 CoolCzech, honey.  I'll adopt you, okay? 

aaannndd removes tired sock....

58 Nobody is making light of Ginsberg's cancer.  Actually, I had forgotten about it.  I hope things work out for the best for her, health wise. 

What sucks about her is her politics, and her rulings will continue to gnaw at the sinews of this nation long after her passing.  That deserves no slack.

59

Liberal blogs would be wishing pancreatic cancer upon any and everyone on the right. 

Posted by: Dave C at October 08, 2010 09:37 PM (yZDkF)

Well Dave, that would never be the case if the unfortunate person was Dick Cheney, and you know it?

60

Posted by: Mallamutt, that was 36..do it again, you get 124 pt. megafont bomb at October 08, 2010 09:36 PM (OWjjx

My bad.  I really should have saved that for the ONT.  The humanity!

61 I thought there was a religious exemption put in Obamacare--not sure why as we don't have freedom of religion anymore.

62

And Rehnquist wasn't a big abortion advocate. I couldn't work up a lot of sympathy for Kennedy either. Sorry.

63 I'm in Washington tonight, and my wife is traveling .... 

64
What was said about Tony Snow will never be forgotten by conservatives, and it was a brutal display of liberal arrogance and disregard for human life.  Just the position they take with the unborn.  Assholes!

65 Just to create hate and discontent on the thread, let me state that S E Cupp with her librarian glasses is in Washington tonight humping some guy and it's not you. Posted by: Fish at October 08, 2010 09:26 PM (v1gw3) Fish, that syphilitic, horny three-legged camel with mange, dysentery, genital warts and a raging boner that's lounging on your bed? Turnabout's fair play, you fuck.

66 36 O/T - Obama vacation photos -- and not the ones you think.

Posted by: RushBabe at October 08, 2010 09:25 PM (a3Z62)

This, this is funny. FUNNY! I really like the Erkel on a bike one's.

And it's so real. "What I could really use is a break!"  No shit, sherlock. Socializin' and Communizin' is hard. Who'da thunk?

67
Who could forget the openness and warmth displayed to republicans at the Wellstone funeral by those in attendance?

68 What sucks about her is her politics, and her rulings will continue to gnaw at the sinews of this nation long after her passing.  That deserves no slack.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 08, 2010 09:38 PM (tJjm/)

Don't mind me while I fantasize about that above-mentioned Constitutional Convention, where the majority of the states nullify every soul-crushing decision ever made by the Supremes (and Congress for that matter).  Just think.  They could up-end more than 200 years of bad law in a few days if they had a clear, concise effort.  Yeah, I know you don't want a CC unless it's absolutely necessary, but this would sure be a quick fix out of our bad laws.   

69
Fish, that syphilitic, horny three-legged camel with mange, dysentery, genital warts and a raging boner that's lounging on your bed?

Turnabout's fair play, you fuck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2010 09:43 PM (9Lm5R)

When she called, I refused to see her, and Paris Hilton went away and took her penicillin and Peruvian Marching Powder with her.

70  I thought there was a religious exemption put in Obamacare--not sure why as we don't have freedom of religion anymore.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 08, 2010 09:39 PM (Wners)

AFAIK, muzzies and the Amish are the only folks allowed exemptions.  However, the muzzies will have access to healthcare w/out paying because their religion says they don't have to buy anything.  Dhimmitude on 'roids.

71

My bad.  I really should have saved that for the ONT.  The humanity!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 08, 2010 09:39 PM (A0VTZ)

Umm...no, no you shouldn't have saved it for there either

72

It's Friday night, and time for More Cowbell!

73

Don't mind me while I fantasize about that above-mentioned Constitutional Convention, where the majority of the states nullify every soul-crushing decision ever made by the Supremes (and Congress for that matter).  Just think.  They could up-end more than 200 years of bad law in a few days if they had a clear, concise effort.  Yeah, I know you don't want a CC unless it's absolutely necessary, but this would sure be a quick fix out of our bad laws.   

Posted by: RushBabe at October 08, 2010 09:46 PM (a3Z62)

I'd settle for a cc with a strict mandate limited to limiting the application of the commerce clause to specifically listed functions, and oh yeah, declaring the EPA, Department of Energy, and Department of Education unconstitutional.

74 People look at a Constitutional Convention like it would solve all the bad things that ever happened in the last 200 years.

We just had an election that 52% of the ignorant masses of this country voted in an uninvestigated Marxist. Do we really want to trust that we can improve the Constitution without educating these idiots?

I am not really looking for a revolution, I'm just ready for it.

75

We just had an election that 52% of the ignorant masses of this country voted in an uninvestigated Marxist. Do we really want to trust that we can improve the Constitution without educating these idiots?

States control who they would sent to represent them, and the majority would be from R states.  The Founders actually sent out tutors to inform representatives of what was to be discussed and the pros and cons of each item.  I could see the Tea Party leadership teaming up with some major-league legal conservative brains to work out the details of the tutoring.

76 Posted by: RushBabe at October 08, 2010 10:05 PM (a3Z62)

I know that is the popular thinking, and I don't want to burst any bubbles, but RIGHT NOW, we have a majority of DEMOCRATS in office. Not wanting to be the dick here, but, if we can call a constitutional convention next year to get what we want clarified, what keeps the Dems from doing the same thing on their next cycle?

Repeating myself, because I don't know the answer, but what keeps them from doing the same thing?  And doesn't that lend us to thinking that the constitution is a 'living document'?  And I guarantee you, I'm not a concerned conservative or any other type of queer troll, I just don't think that genie needs let out of the bottle.

77 Heh, heh, heh.

Ended another one, didn't I? Heh, heh, heh. Fuck you firsters.

78 he comparison between "the federal government requiring you to purchase health insurance" and "a state government requiring you to purchase car insurance."

A state government isn't the federal government. You can move out of a state.

79 I'm pretty sure that New Hampshire (and maybe another state) doesn't require auto insurance. You can move there or choose not to drive. Obamacare demands that you purchase something because someday you're going to get sick. Using that logic, we can compel Americans to buy coffins.

80 All these move out of the state arguments are moot! You can choose to not own a car or not drive a car. You can't choose not to be alive.

 Unless you are wanting to vote Democrat in Chicago.Then, you can obviously be dead and voting at the same time.

81 E.Lindholm,you are right,NH does not reqiure Ins.Nor does it require a helmet for motorcycles.It also does'nt have a sales or income tax.It is amazing how long NH has held off the disease that is liberalism,especially tucked up here in the Northeast of the country.Unfortunately,the libs have made great strides the last few years.

82

Anytime the SCOTUS picks up a case it bugs me. There is no longer any rhyme or reason behind their decisions. Despite what people want to believe, SCOTUS decisions are not bound by the Constitution, nor by any idea of natural rights, nor by reason, and nor by precedent. Throughout the whole year of 2002, eighty-three leading constitutional scholars and law professors went up against a computer alogorithm to see who could predict SCOTUS outcomes. The computer algo smoked them (computer: 75% correct, scholars: 59% correct). The computer algorithm took into account a whopping 6 variables, half of which where "who's who" type of variables. They were things like which federal district the case originated in, and who where the litigants. That's the kind of thing that's driving SCOTUS decisions these days, and it makes me shudder. Just with the Congress, the best SCOTUS is an adjourned SCOTUS!

83

1. Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.  In some states you have to purchase insurance or demonstrate financial responsibility in order to qualify to be granted that PRIVILEGE.

Living and the pursuit of happiness are RIGHTS (Declaration of Independence, one of the four Organic Laws of the United States).  You don't have to do anything to have that right.  Obamacare would force you to purchase a commercial product in order to keep your rights to life and pursuit of happiness, unless your idea of happiness is a jail cell.  (Don't pay teh fine and see what ahppens.)

2. Anyway, auto insurance requirements are by the States, not the Feds; basic constitutional difference in enumerated powers.

3. Operation of a motor vehicle presents inherent risks to others, which can be partially mitigated by requiring liability insurance.  There is no such issue with health care insurance, requiring which would be the equivalent of requiring auto collision and comprehensive insurance--a difference that Obama showed himself to be totally ignorant of.

The comparison of the healthcare mandate to auto insurance is so weak it amazes me it has any traction at all.

84 Driving is NOT a privilege, It is a RIGHT! It is not only a RIGHT, it is a BASIC and ANCIENT RIGHT. People have been misled by the repeated mantra "Driving is a Privilege, Not a right!" When in fact this is simply ignorant people continuously repeating what they WANT to believe.

Don't take my word for this. This has been adjudicated numerous times. EVERY SINGLE TIME the courts found that the state could NOT interfere with the RIGHT to use the public roads. If anyone wants to see links, (to the various court rulings on this issue)  I can round them up, but i'm not going to bother unless someone says they want to see them.

85 Here is the real difference, while you are in some states (not in texas) required to buy insurance to drive, you are not required to drive. Obamacare is forcing you to buy insurance if you breath...i think that we are pretty much forced to breath. So, it is nothing like auto insurance where I have other alternatives for achieving the same result as driving: bus, bike, thumb, walk or just don't go. There is no alternative to breathing so it is a tax, an outright tax for basically breathing.

86 When people talk about car insurance being required by the states, they also forget that in most states liability only is required which means that I do not have to insure myself, I just have to insure that I can pay if I cause injury to someone else. Therefore, beside the whole 10th amendment thing that states that states can do certain things the federal government cannot, my state at least (Indiana) does not require me to do anything that will benefit myself if I have an accident--only the person or property that I injure. Health insurance is not like this.