1 Good comments, but the brothers are sick of "The One", too.

He's not paid ONE of my bills yet!   What's up with that lying MFer?

http://tinyurl.com/6dm4ac

2 Dick Morris on F&F this morning said all this crap going on now with the Dems on this tax deal was a primary fight for 2012 and that Hillary would challenge him.

of course how often has DM been right lately?

3 I cannot wait for the day that piece of garbarge Obama is gone. What a waste of flesh. He would have been better born a tree then at least he would heve served a purpose. The purpose being  "A PLACE FOR DOGS TO TAKE A PISS" !!!!!!!

4 The loss of the Black vote is what lost Clinton the Primary in the first place. That and the shenenigans that the Obummer campaign pulled in Iowa.

What is the Lib Electoral "Stool": Minorities, Single Females, White Single Moms, and Rich Educated Whites.  Obama Won Married Females because of the Financial crisis and the whole Sarah Palin is a bad mom factor.

5 Fox could improve their discourse about 25% if they would fire Dick Morris and Karl Rove. Both of them are assholes.

6 The loss of the Black vote is what lost Clinton the Primary in the first place.

The Democrat Party is what cost her the primary. i.e. Super-delegates.

7

Hmmm, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Obama get a pretty good bounce in the polls from Indies from this act of apparent bipartisanship, grudging though it was.  I also wouldn't be completely surprised to see an economic upturn this Spring due to the payroll tax reduction, especially if it turns out to be a reduction of the tax RATE by 2 points, effectively a 30% reduction of the tax collected--the reporting on this point is ambiguous, however.

If he gets some positive results in polls and the economy shows signs of responding to the payroll tax reduction, he's back in the ballgame.

I see his oil drilling moratorium announcement, and the resulting rise in gas prices, as being the spoiler for him, even if he has helped himself with this deal.  If gas prices hit $4 again, he is Cooked.

8 The untold secret is that even though they got rid of the smoke filled back rooms that picked the candidates, neither Party really wants the unwashed masses picking the candidates either.

There is a reason for all these obscure rules.

9 5--agree.  Throw in (or rather, out) O'Reilly and you have a pretty good network news op.

10 "The brothers are sick of 'The One', too." Not so. His approval rating among blacks was at 91% just eight weeks ago, according to Gallup (I added a link to the article).

11 5 Fox could improve their discourse about 25% if they would fire Dick Morris and Karl Rove. Both of them are assholes.

Disagree.

I've met Rove and he is a very nice guy.  Morris is full of shit, but he never hesitates to let facts get in the way of making a prediction.

I like that sort of , what's the Jewish word for balls?  Chuspa?

12 Much as I hate to say it, I think the "erosion" of Osama Obama's political strength won't be that much of an issue in '12.

First, there's no one on the horizon who can take the monolithic, knee-jerk black vote from him. He got, what, 91% of them in '08? He might slip to 90.5% in '12, but that's about it.

Second, the libs are whining like babies pulled from the teat right now, but when push comes to shove, not a damn one of them will abandon him in favor of any electable candidate. Some might try to push a Bernie Sanders or Markos Mole-in-the-ass type, but in the end, they know their choice will have to face a Republican, for whom they would never, ever vote.

Unless the public really wakes up -- and they let themselves get royally bamboozled last time, so why expect them to be more schooled next time? -- the Dems will line up in sheeplike unity behind the Mohammedan Mouthpiece. And the slimy sonofoabitch will win.

13 I've met Rove and he is a very nice guy.

Rove may be a "nice" guy but I blame him for a LOT of the problems in the Bush adm and in this past election he was a real jerk.

14 If Colin Powell ran as a Democrat...we'd be screwed.

15 First, there's no one on the horizon who can take the monolithic, knee-jerk black vote from him. He got, what, 91% of them in '08?

Actually he got over 96% according to exit polls.

16 [Clinton would] forfeit the black vote, which could kill her in a general election.

Uh, why? She'd still have a D next to her name, which seems to be all that's necessary to get 75%+ of the black vote.

17 Minorities, Single Females, White Single Moms, and Rich Educated Whites.

More accurate: people who think other people should pay their way through life, and people who think they should be able to control the lives of others, neither of which is related to race, gender, or marital status.

18 Fox could improve their discourse about 25% if they would fire Dick Morris and Karl Rove. Both of them are assholes.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 09:34 AM (e4sSD)

I've really come to hate that pudgy turd who was the fucking architect of 2008.  The only use that cocksucker had was how insane he made the left; other than that he's completely useless.

Losing BOR, Jerry Rivers and Shemp would help too,

19 Vic,

Those Super Delegates didn't want to piss off the black vote Re: What  happend to Clymer

20 BTW, Dems normally get 95% of the black vote. The difference with Obama was that a much larger number of them turned out.

That IS and always has been the key to winning elections. Get out your base.

All this whining about the mythical "independent" is another MFM myth.

21 But blacks are, and have been, the most loyal Democratic voters of all groups. Consistently they vote D.

So the only way a Dem candidate could lose the black vote, is if they stay home. This may happen, but after the primary Clinton will have many months to infuriate the left (black, white, green, and pinko) into going to the polls.

I agree that Clinton is thinking of running. She is famously a former Goldwater girl and I think her plan is to be drafted. Just watch her cackle whenever asked about barry's troubles. She is enjoying it too much to not have a scheme.

22 The Democrats will ride Barry off the cliff in 2012 in order to keep their "people" on their plantation for the future. Unions and minorities ( the aggrieved classes) are the tail that wags the democrat dog.

23 I think the "fix" was in for OBama from day one. The MFM was on his bandwagon from day one, indicating to me that the Dem Party was in it for him from day one.

The MFM is the PR org for the Party bosses so watch what they do and say and you will know which direction the Party is going.

24

I hear Alan Keyes is switching to the Democrat party.

25 I hear Alan Keyes is switching to the Democrat party.

I seriously doubt that one. or is that sarc?

26 what's the Jewish word for balls?  Chuspa?

Posted by: Kemp at December 08, 2010 09:39 AM (JpFM9)

Chutzpah

27 Actually he got over 96% according to exit polls.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 09:41 AM

Okay, so his share will drop to 94.9% as of now. One more minority giveaway program or a pro-Black Muslin act by Eric Shabazz Holder, and it'll be right back to 96%.

Think: Rangel, Conyers, Waters, Alcee Hastings.

Also think "history." Race-guilt-ridden whites would never dream of hurting Our Historic First.

28 Also, by losing the Left barry's poll numbers will sink. Just as Bush lost the Right after all his spending and compassion. Once the poll numbers drop low enough he will officially be a "failed" president and open season for the press. He should try to save that 30% die hard left and keep his numbers in the 30's or 40's. Lose the left and he will see the 20's.

29 Posted by: Fritzworth at December 08, 2010 09:39 AM (9LOJB)

And neither a dead girl nor a live boy will change that.

30

I hear Alan Keyes is switching to the Democrat party.

I seriously doubt that one. or is that sarc?

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 09:47 AM (e4sSD)

I think it was a fever dream.

31 Well, unlike some people who merely speculate, I placed a hidden camera in the Clintons' living room in Chappaqua and video-recorded their conversation the morning after Election Day. Bill wants Hillary to run a primary challenge -- it's been his plan since Obama won in '08 -- so he can get back to the White House himself. Because, well, you know. Here's the video in Xtra Normal animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeWjOXcqv0g Apologies for linking myself, but, you know, it was really risky breaking into their house.

32

I don't know why they keep saying "this will win independents back ".

Clinton could do it because Clinton was a moderate democrat with a proven record as a governor of a red state.  Obama is not a moderate not by a long stretch he only pretends to be one (with the LSM helping him); as he did in 2008, which most independents have figured out. Why do these idiot pundits on TV keep saying "this will win independents back", most all independents I know are like me, consitutional conservatives, liberterian/left of center in their social views. 

This tax deal is not going to win independents back, those that were fooled in 2008, they will not be fooled in 2012, many of them voted for conservatives for the first time in 2010 after they figure out yes they were conservatives themselves [compared to the far left man in the WH]. The only way that [reelection of the fraud] would happen is if repubs mess up, smaller govt, if that means small entitilements, so be it. Less govt in American lives. The Tea Party movement is all about spending, limited constitutional govt, it will not happen in a couple of years, so the economy sure as heck will not be recovering much in 2 years, why would any business expand knowing in 18 months who knows what is going to be inflicted on them? and especially when regulations will do what they couldn't pass through laws, because of the Internet, people have more unfiltered information.

and ObamaCare... OMG; instead of a life preservor to the economy (which some of the bailouts did briefly), they then threw a 1000 lb anchor.  I have spoken to so many small business owners, who the hell wants to hire people when the costs are unknown? This is not going to grow America's GDP, it will only stop it from going down, briefly.    No one I know who runs a business trusts this Obama fellow, he can lie and try and "triangulate" he wants, no one believes him.

33 Rove may be a "nice" guy but I blame him for a LOT of the problems in the Bush adm and in this past election he was a real jerk.

10-4 that.  He should have kept his damn mouth shut.

34 what do you think are the chances of him voluntarily not seeking reelection?

Maybe we could ask him to consider an Assumption instead!

35 Further, for those that say barry can triangulate out of his mess like Clinton did, remember that Clinton mostly won because of Perot. Right now we are watching barry try to follow that path but don't they realize that triangulation and fighting Gingrich is not what saved Clinton? OK city, weak opposition, revived economy, and Perot saved Clinton.

36

First off, it's useful to remember that 2 years is an eternity in politics

This is true...the great thing is over the last two years the counter-momentum instantly created by the OBAMA victory and the OBAMA healthcare crap sustained over that period. So even over the course of a political eternity, the people of this country can be counted on to rise up against the destruction this administration is doing.

37 21 But blacks are, and have been, the most loyal Democratic voters of all groups. Consistently they vote D.

Tell, it brother!

38 Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 08, 2010 09:39 AM (Ulu3i)

Oh, Obama (pbuh) will still get more than 90% of the black vote. The issue is turnout. The push in 2008 was unbelievable, and I don't think that the momentum he and his cohorts created is sustainable over four years and an economy in the tank.

He will lose at least 20% of those votes in 2012, and that is a huge amount, probably enough to lose the election. Of course that is assuming that the Republican party nominates someone who is -- how does one say this politely -- not a piece of shit.

39 We should seek to separate the idea of Public sector union vs Private Sector Unions.


Blue Collar People tossed the Dims out on their ass this year. I have yelled at all the retards at my work that claimed to be independant  yet voted for  Bummer

40-45% of Private sector Union voters are Republicans (so 30-35% conservatives). We are held hostage because of a lack of paycheck protection and because we elect leaders that "speak" for us.

40

UPDATE: Link added ("He's exactly right") to show continued high support (91%) for Obama among blacks as of October 2010.

LBJ was right, *sighs*.  The Dems strategy of incubating and nurturing the culture of dependency amongst the minority populations particularly has returned to them exponentially more than their initial investment.  I do see some encouraging signs of this abating from the last election, (Marco Rubio and Allen West are at the forefront of my mind, although there are several others), yet the overall trend is still discouraging, given that Obama and the Dems still enjoy too much popular support amongst Blacks and Hispanics.  *sighs*, even as the system they depend on falls apart before their very eyes, they still cling to promises of scraps of bread from their self-proclaimed Saviors i.e. masters.

Rush is right.  We have 10 years at most to turn this around.  Or, in the end...there will be only chaos. 

41 There is one more thing Fritz.   DREAM ACT cloture vote this afternoon.  Hispanics may be the new black for the dems.

42 O could murder his wife and two daughters, big bloody mess, his footprints everywhere, claim he's innocent, it was someone else, they'd do DNA, prove it's him, all that stuff.

His 91 percent would rise to 99.1 amongst them. 

43 Call it the Reagan Project.

If we do it right we can have Conservative Majority in the House and a Filabuster Proof Senate Republican Caucus and a Conservative President.  It's a 10 year project that we talked about in 2002. Let's do It.

44 Also think "history." Race-guilt-ridden whites would never dream of hurting Our Historic First.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 08, 2010 09:48 AM (Ulu3i)

Are you kidding? The Huff crowd IS the Race-guilt-ridden white crowd and they are the ones that are turning on him like vipers. The left are not going to preserve his blackness for him at the expense of their desire to ruin this country their way.

45 Maxine Waters for Preznit!

46 O/T

The NY Times is all over poor Ms Edwards death.

Now that she has died, look for "Silky" to get indicted sometime after the holidays.  My guess mid January.

47 I don't know why they keep saying "this will win independents back ".

IMHO, independents are the guys that go to work, take care of their kids, and occasionally tune into the 6:00 news to see what is happening. As long as they "feel" the economy is doing OK they will vote for a "reasonable" sounding incumbent. They are not motivated by "ideology (knowing and understanding issues) but are motivated by their pocketbook, the general mood of their community, national security, and a candidate that looks OK.

Problem for barry is that even if GDP grows by 3 points the next two years, unemployment will be 10%, (look up Okun's law. 5% GDP growth will only drop unemployment 1%) deficit will be crushing, and more houses will be underwater than in the 9th ward. Now his job should be to appear reasonable. Ha, good luck with that you commie scum.

48 Keyes...Sigh... Nothing like getting a mailer of his picture every two years asking me what I see

49 Posted by: Mallamutt at December 08, 2010 10:04 AM (OWjjx)

What color is the sky in Alan Keyes' world?

50

those people who voted for Bambi because he was the first black Dem candidate won't vote for  him again for that reason.  Maybe Bambi could give them another reason, maybe not.

actually, a fiscal conservative with anti-war overtones might be good.  I hear from vets returning from Middle East that it is just a clusterfark over there.  Sure, let's whip the terrorists there rather than have them come to our own land--that's the "hawkish" stance.  But the thing is, we aren't whipping anyone over there.  We are losing our own soldiers & spending billions.

51 As someone mentioned above - it's all about turnout. The Black vote turned out in 2008, that made the difference. If the economy is still dragging in 2012 - Bye, bye, Barack. The David Dinkins of Presidents.

52 The left are not going to preserve his blackness for him at the expense of their desire to ruin this country their way.

I suspect a "Barack Obama is not truly black" meme will start to arise from the left very shortly.

53

"IMHO, independents are the guys that go to work, take care of their kids, and occasionally tune into the 6:00 news to see what is happening. "

With all due respect, that might have been the case a few years back. That is not the case anymore.  Heck, I was a democrat, a conservative one, trusted every damn word the mainstream media would feed me, it wasnt until 2008 that I had my wake-up call.  I know many many independents, some of them former dems, who feel the same way.

The internet has made it increably easy for people to get news, unfiltered news.  No one I know watches the 630pm news. No one I know trust them anymore after what they saw in 2008.

54 No one I know watches the 630pm news. No one I know trust them anymore after what they saw in 2008.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at December 08, 2010 10:11 AM (ACkhT)

Speak for yourself, you young whippersnapper, Now GET OFF MY LAWN.

55 This whole premise is wrong. The idea that Blacks would not back whoever the Democratic candidate is in the general is absurd.

56 #54

I don't think he's going to get "the slap on the wrist".

Folks in NC aren't to sympathetic with adulators.

He has embarrassed everyone in the state. 

He'll get time, if he gets indicted and convicted, which I think he will.

57 61 This whole premise is wrong. The idea that Blacks would not back whoever the Democratic candidate is in the general is absurd.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 08, 2010 10:15 AM (YYaIP)

There is more than one premise being postulated. Another conjecture is that majority of the Black vote with be suppressed by frustration with Captain Creased Jeans bullshit show.

58 I don't understand these "Hillary!!!!!" fantasies.  It's not going to be Hillary.  If the left is pissed off at Obama because he's not radical enough for them, then why would they be happy with Hillary?  If Obama does get primaried, it will come from the moonbat fringe wing of his party.

59 If Obama does get primaried, it will come from the moonbat fringe wing of his party.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2010 10:20 AM (PaSAU)

Oh please, Dear God, please!

60 #54
Just another NC Democrat going to jail.  Let's see former Speaker of the House, Jim Black, former Sec of Ag, Meg, former Lt Governor, Green, former Governor and atty general, Easley, former congressman, Ballance. There are more, I just have a short memory.

We hardly have room in the jails any more.  Thank God the Black vote keeps electing these nice people.

61 Obama's a one-term president.

He got elected as the Next Coming.

That whole narrative has been discredited.. He can't run on it again.

62 One thing to remember about liberals is that they really are as clueless as they seem about the rest of America. Just yesterday I was sitting in the coffeeshop with my laptop, and at the next table were a pair of the energetic old lefty women who are the mainstay of upper-middle-class liberal politics. One of them was talking about some organizing effort she's part of, to locate and retain wealthy donors to liberal causes. Then she starts ragging on the TEA Party and how foolish they are to support tax breaks "for the rich."

She spends her day sucking up to rich people who own the Democratic party, but she still believes (and repeats like a statement of faith) that the Republicans are the party of the rich, and it's just "false consciousness" which keeps poorer conservatives from voting Dem. This is the same mindset that Obama has -- he still believes he's somehow not getting the message out, because the idea that people don't agree with the message is something his neurons simply cannot process.

63 I don't see how the black vote would make that much of a difference either way.  Due to our own short-sightedness, there aren't enough black Americans in the population to make a difference.  We may make the most noise, but "it's the numbers, stupid," as Mark Steyn pointed out in America Alone wrt to demographics.  Abortion and crime have taken their toll.

64 Now that Mrs. Edwards has passed, John can arrange for douchie Dave Matthews to play at his and Rielle's wedding reception.

65 She'd still have a D next to her name, which seems to be all that's necessary to get 75%+ of the black vote.

The Democrats can't win much of anything if they're only getting 75% of the black vote. Blacks are 12% of the population, and they went for Obama by approximately 104% in 2008. Dropping to 75% support means that Hillary gets 3% fewer votes overall. The loss of that margin virtually ensures a GOP win.

66 Three Words: Democrat Colin Powell

67 I don't know if it's been mentioned up-thread, but I heard Herman Cain on Cavuto last week say he's putting together a committee to see about his own run for the WH in '12.  I really like him.  It would make Dems' pointy little heads explode.  "Clean, articulate" successful black conservative. 

Popcorn-worthy.

68 75 Three Words: Democrat Colin Powell

Posted by: JeffreyT at December 08, 2010 10:30 AM (pkSSd)

Five Words: I have your FBI file

69

If Obama does get primaried, it will come from the moonbat fringe wing of his party.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2010 10:20 AM (PaSAU)

I've heard rumors Feingold is considering running in 2012.

70 19 BTW, Dems normally get 95% of the black vote. The difference with Obama was that a much larger number of them turned out.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 09:43 AM (e4sSD)

Yep.  Kerry got 89% of it in 2004; anywhere over 60% is an indication that it's about more than just race.    It's about race too, but more. The Dems have waged an effective, decades long indoctrination campaign.

71 I believe the mandatory use of guidelines has been struck down, leaving more discretion in the hands of the sentencing judge.

You believe wrong.  Mandatory sentences still exist. 

Silky will do time unless he pulls an "Easley" and convinces the Feds to let him plead to guilt to a state charge.  That is what Gov Easley did to keep out of prison.

72 Hillary will not run, and if she does she will not win. Feingold may run or maybe Dean.

73 Fritzworth has it right. A lot of dipshits will say he is wrong, however, because the "women" will stick together and elect Hillary. This is rubbish. Women are valence voters on security and family issues. Destroying the economy and putting the menfolk out of work is not good for the family. And whatever Zero is doing can't plausibly be considered an advance for security. Hillary isn't leaving and she isn't running again. She's stuck with her own worthless record: the second female to serve as Secretary of State--and a rotten one at that.

74

About the best that the dems can hope for is some earth shattering revelation that proves that Obama is not incompetent.

Like that could happen.

75 Frankly, I do not think he will be primaried, they will all fall in line, and anyone who isn't will be called a racist.

76 70% of dems still think Carter is a really groovy guy, so they could run him and it wouldn't change their voting patterns. The empty suit now seems to be trying to triangulate, but lacks the ratlike intelligence of Clinton, which tells me 2 things: he's going to run in 2012, and he's going to get his ass kicked this go-round... UNLESS we have another rotting corpse candidate -- Dole, McCain -- or a gun grabber (Romney) or an idiot (Huckleberry). Palin is starting to look like the best current choice; I'm much prefer her as an unelected rainmaker, but if the alternatives are Dole 3.0, Huckleberry or Romney, what the hell else are we going to do?

77 So the jugeared narcissist learns to pivot and now the lefties are crying because he backed out on a promise? 

Aw, it's so cute that they still don't realize Barry the Bus Driver has always been out for himself.

78 and in 2012, all the crap that the repubs had on this fraud will not stay under the covers, they will go and expose everything.  The LSM will not be able to cover for him and oh they will try, trust in the LSM is only decreasing massively, and with the internet, information cannot be contained.

79 At this point, I think Alvin Greene could have a shot at whipping Barry's ass.  And yes, Crazy Alvin is indeed planning to run.  Is it wrong I hope he does?  Heh.

80 But he be done by South Carolina.

Posted by: Mallamutt at December 08, 2010 10:35 AM (OWjjx)

LOL, Fiengold vs Obama in SC primary???? Hahahahaha, Obama beat Hillary in the SC primary. Fiengold would be lucky to get 1% of the Dem vote in SC.

81 OT:  Handbasket + hell = you do the math.

Teens getting pregnant in order to audition for MTV reality shows about teen moms.

82

Sonofabitch.

The United States has a space program again.

RAH, sorry we're so late.

83

About the best that the dems can hope for is some earth shattering revelation that proves that Obama is not incompetent.

Obama needs luck and a single moment that will benefit him politically.  I mean, what if Bill Clinton had a chance to show his meddle after 9/11? 

84 Herman Cain in '12.   I'd pay to see him debate Barky.

85 I think Webb could come out on top for the middle class white D's...he has a gun, and carries it. He knows history. he has been a two fer...R then D...maybe heading to R again. He is the the right side of Affirmative Action, and that might matter by 2012. On the negative side...he voted for all Obie spending.

86 48 cheap jeans

Posted by: cheap jeans at December 08, 2010 10:03 AM (iEuOi)

It's probably wildly inappropriate to re-link a spam link that I would never in a million years click on myself but I'm curious...

I'm in the midst of some tough times economically myself but I'm pretty sure that I've never worried about the price of blue jeans.

Sure, I've got about 5 pair lying around (2 of which make my ass look fabulous!) so I haven't exactly been in the market to purchase new ones lately. 

So, I'm left to wonder...

Are jeans incredibly expensive nowadays?

Have they become some sort of luxury commodity unobtainable by the average consumer in the past few years?

Who the hell needs to find "cheap jeans"?

87 he should get a slap on the hand and a pat on the head. 

Please, no, not the head!!  You'll shmush up the hair.

The only way sHillery can run is if she resigns.  Soon.  Just to the the Obama stink off her record.

88 the cheap jeans usually involve "camel toe" cuts.... hell Wal Mart has cheap jeans.

89

"...and at the next table were a pair of the energetic old lefty women who are the mainstay of upper-middle-class liberal politics. One of them was talking about some organizing effort she's part of..."

Yes, their ideology is corrupt, their philosophies intellectually bankrupt, their politicians even worse than ours, and their ability to form a coherent thought completely nil.  But this...this right here is the reason we lose to them more often than not and why we don't crush them at the polls - organizing. 

They have us beaten on all levels of it - from legit organizing to organizing voter fraud.  They've got the time, the energy, the discipline, and the absence of scruples.

Not saying that we should adopt unscrupulous tactics, but we just had a taste of the organization...organization that they've had for decades and we damn near wiped them out.  That's why I thought AoSHQ was completely indispensible during the midterms.  Ace was pushing organizing, not just simply voting.  It's not just about messaging the individual voting anymore (probably hasn't been since the early 19th century), but that's where our side is stuck. 

We can totally beat them at their own game, legally.  That's why I hope Ace includes an organizing element to the blog for 2012.

90 Edwards is going down. The Ds will happily make an example of him...he is rich, and has no vote in house or senate. Rangel amd Maxine will stay out of jail, but Edwards is going in.

91 Herman Cain from Georgia? Oh you mean the successful businessman and commentator who believes in capitalism.

He's a racist cracker obviously.

92

Gah!  The spammers are here already.  And here I wasted a perfectly mediocre long post on a dead thread.

93

Vic ...

what a font of BS knowledge you are sir ...

the dem base is less than 35% of the electorate ...  of course he won by winning independents ...

 

 

 

94 No Witch..it was good and has a great moron idea of starting the organization NOW.

95 Things that matter in 2012: The Economy, Ballot Management (a 3rd party RINO, Paulian, or ditching Biden for a McCrystal), Barry punting, The Economy, an attack

96 Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2010 10:20 AM (PaSAU)

My guess, with BOHICA, is that he either gets primaried from both Port and Starboard in his own  party, or not at all.

The Moonbats will be furious with him and will want a Van Jones type radical (not saying he'd be the one they'd put forward, but someone with many of his views).  The "Moderates" will be appalled at how fast they're losing power and will want someone who has a chance of fooling the American public.  Hillary fits that mold, sort of, as do a few others.  Collin Powell going Dem might, but I don't see that one either.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 10:30 AM (UOM4

I have 7 words that doom that idea, though:  Who in the world is Herman Cain?

I'm moderately well plugged in, I've never heard his name until now.  If I haven't, most Republican Primary voters haven't.  If you have zero name recognition, you have zero chance in the Primaries (Duncan Hunter and Tommy Thompson, anyone?)

97 No Witch..it was good and has a great moron idea of starting the organization NOW.

Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at December 08, 2010 10:53 AM (Ki7fm)

That's what I meant.  I should have said "for the 2012 election now".  I didn't catch that until after I posted because I'm not smart enough to proofread.

98 Don't pic on Vic... the so called Independent vote is not as independent as it would seem. Here in NH it is better to be Independent even if you always vote D or R.... you can pic a party during primary, then go back to independent for the final vote...sweet.

99 Herman Cain is the former CEO of Godfather Pizza and a talk show host based in Atlanta.  He frequently subs for Neal Boortz and appears on Cavuto. 

100 57 I suspect a "Barack Obama is not truly black" meme will start to arise from the left very shortly.


The  MSM will run with it to help Hillary, who they now regret screwing over.  All she will have to do is not attack Obungler directly and everyone else will carry her water.  His college transcripts and another document which must not be named might turn up.  "Others" (Republicans) will be blamed for Obungler's failings and everyone gets to save face. 

101 Surfer Doc...right on my man. The MSM is slowly exiting the room looking for their next crown prince or princess...the documents will show up..along with some ill times tapes, and a Cass Sunstein xmas card.

102 it has to be well over 50%,

I think the current percentage of population is about 40%

Fox NEWS ALERT NOW

Senate 100% unanimous voted to impeach judge

103

Fox could improve their discourse about 25% if they would fire Dick Morris and Karl Rove. Both of them are assholes.

Thinking about this comment, what scares me is that I enjoy listening to Dick Morris more than I do Karl Rove.  I agree that Rove has turned into a major asshole, but I note Dick keeps using the word 'we' when talking about Republicans, tax cuts, being against Obama, etc.  I find that interesting.  It's almost like he never worked for Blow Job Billy.

104 Obama is married to Cass Sunstein and that could be exploited very soon.

105 "37 21 But blacks are, and have been, the most loyal Democratic voters of all groups. Consistently they vote D." That did not used to be the case, as late as the Voting Rights Act vote. LBJ BOUGHT the black vote for the Democratic Party, outright. As he laughed when he signed off on the Great Society plan, quote, "I'll keep those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 75 years!"

106 I don't understand these "Hillary!!!!!" fantasies.  It's not going to be Hillary.  If the left is pissed off at Obama because he's not radical enough for them, then why would they be happy with Hillary?  If Obama does get primaried, it will come from the moonbat fringe wing of his party.

^THIS!

Who the hell else are you going to vote for, suckers?

Bush?!

Ralph Nader?!

HA! HAH! HAHHH!!!

Bitch all you want HuffPOSters but I OWN your tribe and you know it!

You will work your pathetic little asses off to get me re-elected in 2012 and let me be clear, I promise to be just as indifferent to your petty bullshit concerns in 2013 as I have been during my first term.

If your name ain't Andy Stern, I don't really need to talk to you, now do I?

Because I'm the President of the godamned United States of America!

AHHH, HAH HAHH HAHHH!

I won!

So suck it moonbats and please do smile whilst you swallow!

107

what a font of BS knowledge you are sir ...

the dem base is less than 35% of the electorate ...  of course he won by winning independents ...

 Posted by: Jeff at December 08, 2010 10:53 AM (A3tpD)

And what a font of no knowledge you are. Do you know what an independent is? It is a person who is not registered with either Party.

Independents are not this mythical group of drooling idiots who drag from day to day with no knowledge and then go into the polls and vote for who had the best ads. 

Those fools make up probably less than 1% of the voters. This contrary to what the MFM always spouts.

What you, and the MFM are confusing are the stupid "undecideds".

Real independents who vote regularly vote with one Party or the other routinely voting for the same or they don't vote at all.occasionally one gets disgusted with his favorite Party and starts voting with the other, but that is not different than the registered members who switch Parties.

The key isn't winning independents, it is getting out your base by first giving them a red meat candidate and then having a good ground plan.

108 Hillary Clinton, master spy looking for the nod?

Not going to happen. Hillary, in an extremely clairvoyant moment, said this is going to be her last gig. A few days back. Even she can see what a little Australian sodomy can do to a career. By 2012, the moonbats will have control of nothing. Except California and a couple other zombie outposts.

109 OK Fox has their favorite Republican on...Lindsay Graham.

110 "Obama needs luck and a single moment that will benefit him politically.  I mean, what if Bill Clinton had a chance to show his meddle after 9/11? "

That only works if you have meddle to begin with.
Wouldn't have worked with Bill.
Sure as hell won't work with The One.

111 Is there a candidate we can push or pretend to push that will help Obama win his primaries? If he's the candidate, we can win with John Freaking McCain (R - Democrat Party).

112 O/T Whine of the Day

I'm freezing my ass off here.  Having a furnace replaced in the attic, and the heat has been off since 9:00 a.m.  It was in the 20s this morning, and has barely warmed up. 

/whine

113 /whine

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 11:13 AM (UOM4

Bad week for furnace work. You don't have a portable heater you can close off one room and heat with?

114 Somebody worse than BO? Not seeing it. McCain is a win for them.

115

32This tax deal is not going to win independents back, those that were fooled in 2008, they will not be fooled in 2012, many of them voted for conservatives for the first time in 2010 after they figure out yes they were conservatives themselves [compared to the far left man in the WH].

Wish I could be that confident.  Indies, present company excluded, are not noted for their long attention spans. Which is why the elected branches keep flopping back and forth between left and right.

116 LOL, we are talking about 2012 again and Fox has Lindsay on.

Isn't that the same kind of shit they did in 2007 except they use have Mr. maverick on all the time?

Are we seeing the start of their favorite 2012 candidate?

Will we hear "Only Graham can win those purple and pink States"?

117 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 11:08 AM (e4sSD)

This.  I'm, technically, an independent.  If anyone here thinks that means I would ever vote Democrat except in the most extreme of cases, they're delusional.

I'm just as much a part of the Republican "base" as someone registered as a Republican- more so, in many ways, since I actually contact my Senators and Rep fairly regularly.  The people either party should be concerned with are their base.  Let the Independents (that is, the undecideds, since most 'independents' just haven't registered with either party) come to you.

Like the movie said, "If you build it, they will come."  In this case 'it' is a platform of true economic liberty and independence, true religious(or Social, if you prefer) tolerance and freedom, and a national defense which will make any country think twice before allowing themselves to be placed in our "enemies" category.

118 Jena Lee talking about "home grown terror" after this MD guy arrested and he is an American citizen.

From what I have seen almost everyone of these "home grown terrorists" were born in one of these terrorists countries and were naturalized here. I don't call that a "home grown terrorist".

119 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 11:13 AM (UOM4

I love Texas.

120 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

That is exactly what I was saying and have always said.

121 #88

I remember that case, but to sentence outside the mandatory sentence, the defense must show other cause, if I remember correctly.

They sentence down here as if nothing has changed.

The burden is on the defense to show why they should not get the mandatory sentence.

He'll get it, if he stays in Fed court.

Butner is nice in the spring, he can meet Bernie and get some stock tips.

122 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 11:17 AM (e4sSD)

If so, they'll lose their audience faster than CNN did.

123 Jane, at least you are further South and on the coast. It was 12.1°F here this morning. It has just now got above freezing here.

I would be SOL without heat today. I do have my gas logs though if my heat pump goes out.

124 If so, they'll lose their audience faster than CNN did.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 11:21 AM (8y9MW)

They never came out and endorsed McCain either, but you could see what they were doing.

125 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 11:24 AM (e4sSD)

I know, and that's the point: it could be seen what they were doing.  If they become the all Grahmnesty all the time station, people will go yet elsewhere for their news and opinion (and when did "opinion" become "analysis?").

Which will just force them to the interwebs.  I wonder if we could start an on-line only news station.  I can see it now... "The Ace Report.  We put the 'yub' in 'yub-yub.'"

126 Allen West as the Republican veep candidate could change the whole thing -- in a good way.

Palin/West 2012

127 Romney is a commie.

There -- it's been said.

128

I have no idea how its gonna work out. I am just predicting that if he is convicted, expect to hear "Elizabeth Edwards" a fair amount at the sentencing portion of the proceedings.

Posted by: Mallamutt

We can look forward to Edwards chanelling her during the closing arguements phase. Joy.

129 He's more along the lines of a factory second. ...  in a factory that manufactures damaged goods.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at December 08, 2010 11:27 AM (G/MYk)

LOL, I like that one.

130 Obama's approval rating has remained unchanged for the last 6 months

131 Posted by: RayJ at December 08, 2010 11:11 AM (//Bcg)

And mettle works even better!

132 i hate to be the downer but: in the general election (which obama will be in) the liberals will vote for him cause they will HATE whoever the repub is.  blacks will stay with him at a 99.9% rate even if he declares himself as satan.  there are states worth about 260 electoral college votes that we have NO chance of winning.  we will win back the south (nc and va) and ind etc...but what happens with the hispanic vote in NV, CO and NM will decide who wins.  and that is bad news for the good guys.

133 Posted by: put away the big balz at December 08, 2010 11:32 AM (gjUaP)

Try to keep up with the class. very few people are arguing that Blacks will vote for anyone other than Obama (pbuh). What we are pointing out is that the turnout will be depressed, and that is enough to kill his chances.

134 Posted by: put away the big balz at December 08, 2010 11:32 AM (gjUaP)

If you go back and look at the 2008 election you will find that Obama won my converted a few States that had previously voted Red. OH, FL, NC, VA, etc.

The Presidential election is not like the Senate elections on that score where both getting out their base makes a tie or a win depending on normal color of State.

Those States that had flipped for Obama flipped because the Republicans stayed at home. If the Republicans come out to vote in 2012 like they did in 2010, they will win regardless of whether the Dems come out or not.

135 Fox News Alert: NY-1 Republican candidate concedes. We lost that one.

136 The truth is the Democrats cannot win without the Black vote. The real irony is that Blacks, thanks to their self-serving so-called leaders, have sold their vote so cheaply. The Democrat dilemma is they now can't win with or without Obama.

137
If you go back and look at the 2008 election you will find that Obama won my converted a few States that had previously voted Red. OH, FL, NC, VA, etc.

The Presidential election is not like the Senate elections on that score where both getting out their base makes a tie or a win depending on normal color of State.

Those States that had flipped for Obama flipped because the Republicans stayed at home. If the Republicans come out to vote in 2012 like they did in 2010, they will win regardless of whether the Dems come out or not.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 11:36 AM (e4sSD)

I agree... Obama isnt winning those states again.  Poll numbers are too low to ever recover. 

We now have the tea party which is organizing.. they are meeting in Vegas next month to get the GOTV efforts in order for '12.

Obama is one and done.

138 The truth is the Democrats cannot win without the Black vote.

I am not sure I would agree with that, except perhaps in the Presidential elections.

Take recent elections in CO. That was won by the movement of CA liberal yuppies and Hispanics. There are that many blacks in CO.

Also, there were Statewide elected Dems in ND. ND has almost zero blacks in it. I have ore blacks living within a 1 radius of my house than live in the entire State of ND.

139 arrg

There are NOT that many blacks in CO.

140

"He's exactly right"

Notwithstanding a base in the 20% range of total electorate for Beelzebub, above 50% are lost forever, given the structural economic issues and Dear Leader's con-artist limitations.

Dims outside the base of blacks and unions know he's going to drag them under whithout fail.

I say 'Bite me' runs out the clock with O'Poof out.

141 An "act of betrayal" if Hillary ran? Get real. These are democrats. Nonetheless, she won't run. (And even if she did, how long would the magic last? Policy-wise, she's Obama in a pant-suit.) No, they're stuck with Obama. What will happen as he continues to erode? Just look at patterns to answer this. He'll double- and triple-down with what he knows: brute lies and force, abuses of incumbency and, of course, voter fraud. The media will collude, ramp up fears of a goose-stepping, right-wing takeover and the plunge into a national nightmare of old people thrown into the streets, plutocrats laughing at bedraggled peons from limos and World War III on four fronts. All the usual suspects will rally around Obama -- intoxicated with the new delusion that he'll "come around" in a second term. It'll be "hope and change" redux, only this time tinged with panic, with the underlying reality of their failures and the consequences. While plenty deluded, these people are not rich in imagination. They do what they know, because it's all they know. 

142

Senate 100% unanimous voted to impeach judge

And an angel gets its wings.

Can we impeach another one?  It is way too hard to get rid of these jerks.

143 From what I have seen almost everyone of these "home grown terrorists" were born in one of these terrorists countries and were naturalized here. I don't call that a "home grown terrorist".

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 11:19 AM (e4sSD)

 

This is false. Two words: Bill Ayers. You right wingers think that we're stupid. Showed you, didn't I?

144 Vic@141

I've got the gas logs going in the living room now.  We wanted the furnace installed last week when the temps were in the 70s.  Typical, that the only day they could get to it was the coldest day of the year so far. 

We do have heat in the kitchen, den, living and dining rooms, but the other end of the house is sucking it out.  The wind is whipping pretty hard, too.

I hate the cold.

145
If so, they'll lose their audience faster than CNN did.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 11:21 AM (8y9MW)

They never came out and endorsed McCain either, but you could see what they were doing.



It seemed to me that Fox was pushing Fuckabee even harder. The dude was down in single digits during the primary, but they were reporting on him every damned day, seemingly every hour. Reminds me of how Hollywood keeps trying to shove Sam Worthington down moviegoers' throats.

His stupid post-election talk show has pretty much confirmed my opinion.

146

One good thing about Obama, we know what his playbook is: Clinton 1995-1996.  We know he can't pull it off and we know what he's going to try.

147

I will vote for the candidate who is good at supplying caterpillar filter,fleetguard filter,volvo filter,perkins filter,komatsu filter,donaldson filter and other brands filters

_{the answer to all our problems is MORE FILTERS}

148 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 11:51 AM (UOM4

Well Jane I hope they finish today because its not supposed to start warming up until Sat.

149 It seemed to me that Fox was pushing Fuckabee even harder.

It seemed to me that they didn't start pushing him until after the election. As I recall they initially pushed RINO Rudy but as it became apparent that he was not going to campaign they switched to McCain.

The one that was clear was that they relentlessly shit on Thompson.

150 Put away-- You understand virtually nothing about electoral mechanics. Black Republicans/independents have left the reservation. That's why Zero's standing among blacks overall has fallen from 95 percent to 90 or thereabouts. He needed not only their complete support in 2008, but also a massive percentage of independents and Republican women. Plus, he needed a very high turnout...all of this just to squeak past a weak, flawed and uninspiring John McCain running on circa 2002 platform. I don't know if you are some kind of troll or what, but did you happen to see what happened in Florida, Indiana and North Carolina last month?Zero is done. He and BenRon have screwed up the economy so badly that it won't recover for at least five years, possibly 10 or more. His fate is sealed. The only question is whether he will run again. He will, IMHO, because it's the only thing he likes to do.

151 These 2012 dilemmas aren't so much 2012 dilemmas if they can add a few million voters via DREAM.

152

The only question is whether he will run again.

He will, IMHO, because it's the only thing he likes to do.

Of course Obama will run again.  He likes the perks of flitting around the country on Air Force One like a rock star.  Besides, by running, he gets to waste more of America's money, which is his number one priority.

153

Even if Obama decides not to run in 2012 the dems will still face the problem of a depressed turn out of black voters because they will see Obama's decision not to run as him being run out of office by whitey.

Its simply a case of their damned if they do and their damned if they don't. The reality that the only thing that can save the Obama Presidency at this stage is if there is a dramatic turn around in the economy over the next year or so. And quite frankly given whats going on economically at the moment both here and elsewhere in the world it doesn't appear likely that we will see any significant improvement over the next 12 months at all.

154 If Obama let the tax cuts expire, the big lie that the tax cuts were for the rich only would be exposed. 

155 Jane, at least you are further South and on the coast. It was 12.1°F here this morning. It has just now got above freezing here.

Hee!

My brother has a business, located in Chicago, that is mostly seasonal and is married to a flight attendant so he has his pick of places to hang out during the winter months, pretty much whenever he wants.

(Either friends in sunny FL or family in sunny AZ

We had a very fun Thanksgiving dinner with he and his wife even though she was only in town for 10 hours.

Little bro was kind of annoyed about how cold it was here that day (me, I found it to be kind of "bracing" really.  I sometimes enjoy the ability to tolerate a long sleeved light sweater when the sun is shining. But I'm a sucker for novelty, I suppose.) and bugged out with his lovely bride back to Chicago.

Announced that he was taking off for FL this week, "where it is warm!".

(Reuters) - Temperatures dipped into the low 30s for much of Florida's orange-growing region early Wednesday but it did not appear to have gotten cold enough to damage the crop, weather reports indicated.

Hee!

No. I haven't called him to ask how things are going.

I mocked my little brother mercilessly (and effectively) as an older sister when we were little kids.

As an adult, I'm trying to make up for some of the horrible mind-games I pulled on him when he was a pathetically easy target.

Deety's Little Brother: Deety!  I can't sleep!  Tell me a story! Tell me a ghost story but don't make it too scary! OK?!?

Deety:  Whaa?? What time is it? Why are you in my room?  GET OUT!!!

DLB:  Shhh! Be quiet! I can't sleep! I need you to tell me a story!

Deety:  (whispers venomously) You can't read?! You are more stupid than you look!  Here's a flashlight, go get a book and start reading and leave me alone! (decisively turn her back and digs head into pillow)

DLB:  No. I need you to tell me a story, a good one. Those ones in books never change!

Deety:  (vanity successfully appealed to, rolls eyes and sighs heavily) Okay. Fine.  Hop in.  What kind of story do you want?

DLB:  A scary story!  With ghosts and Axe-Murderers!

Deety:  Are you sure?  If I make the story super scary do you promise not to cry?

DLB:  I'm not a baby!

Deety:  Okay... Here goes: Once upon a time, there was some kid who bears some superficial resemblances to yourself that will become all the more chilling later on, busy doing a very happy-ass thing like catching tadpoles one day...

..and then....

Deety's Parents: (busting down the door because one of their children is suddenly wailing for no good reason) What did you do? What did you do to your little brother!

Deety: (Innocently) I was telling him a story!  He asked me to! (hisses to little brother: "You said you wouldn't cry!  Big Baby!)

Deety's folks:  He's terrified!  It's going to take us forever to get him back to sleep!  You should know better than this!

Deety:  (feeling all butthurt and unfairly in trouble, thinks to herself...) Get him back to sleep?! You people are dreaming!  If he had been properly put down in the first place we wouldn't have this brou-ha-ha in the first place! 

That was a scary story, though!

Heh!

156 The only question is whether he will run again.

He will, IMHO, because it's the only thing he likes to do.

Posted by: Fresh Air at December 08, 2010 12:07 PM (lVUqC)

Actually, unlike Bill Clinton, Barry O doesn't really like running for president. He likes being president, easy golf tee times, frequent vacations and lots of suckups.

The working with Congress and listening to voters stuff leaves him cold and always has.

157

Even if Obama decides not to run in 2012 the dems will still face the problem of a depressed turn out of black voters because they will see Obama's decision not to run as him being run out of office by whitey.

 

This is doubtful, but possible. If Obama gets kicked upstairs ( ex: ambassador to the UN) then who is left to complain? Not Obama; he was paid off. Not the Dems, they rid themselves of an otherwise immovable object. Not the MFM, who will do what they're told. The Right? Doubt it.

If he is induced to exit gracefully, then he will be just like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton; they played their respective gambits, got their payoffs, and withdrew.I agree that the crucial point is exiting gracefully (on his terms).

 

The only alternative would be similar to the OJ civil trial and his subsequent multiple acts of stupidity. Notice how enthusiasm tapered off? Aso notice what it took to deflate that particular balloon.

158

One good thing about Obama, we know what his playbook is: Clinton 1995-1996.  We know he can't pull it off and we know what he's going to try.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 12:01 PM (BvBKY)

He better look at the playbook again. Bill Clinton would have declared victory over the tax bill rather than attack both the side he compromised with and the side he stabbed in the back.

159 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 12:45 PM (R2fpr)

Obama may see it as being kicked upstairs, but will the average black voter?  They might see it as a garbage job, no matter what the perks. Hell I see it that way myself!

160 Oh!

Smelly sock!

161 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 12:45 PM (R2fpr)

Obama may see it as being kicked upstairs, but will the average black voter?  They might see it as a garbage job, no matter what the perks. Hell I see it that way myself!

Posted by: Oldcat

 

The average black voter did not express anger or lack of enthusiasm after Jackson and Sharpton left the stage. Might some state that he should run again? I'm sure that there will be some. Can we prove that a significant percentage will not turn out or oppose whomever is their candidate? If not, then this is a feasable route for the Dems. Again the key is that Obama either exits of his own volition, or the nightmare scenario where he cracks up like OJ. Those are the only ways that Obama is not the nominee in 2012 and the Dems do not lose the black voting bloc.

 

One final question: I'm not aware of the numbers but I am curious as to this. Were any of Obama's victories (states) due solely to not only the black vote, but of an exceptionally high black vote? I ask because if he isn't present in 2012, then no one should expect that particular level of support, no matter who runs. The same can be said for any category of voter. How many of them voted that way simply because of his being black? Unless we can prove that there is such a group, and that it is large, and that they cannot be induced to vote Dem for any other reason, then Obama's being the nominee is overstated. As long as Dems think that they can placate some or most of these people, and can not alienate the black voting blo, then that option is open.

162

What is it with this 'Obama is unbeatable in 2012 because of the black vote' thing some people have come up with? Blacks voted for Obama at a percentage in the high nineties in 2008, and he got 52% of the total vote. Even if blacks vote for him again in 2012 at a 90+% rate, essentially as a bloc, he can still lose to a Republican.  Just need to get another 3% of everybody else.

Besides - two years is a long time. As it stands, things are not going to get much better. They might even get worse. That's not what I want - but it's highly likely with this continuing Democrat President and Senate. And his long-awaited meltdown has only just begun. I think in the future, he will exceed the suckitude of his post-tax-cut extension press conference many times over.  He is not smart enough or pragmatic enough to rescue himself.  I anticipate more voter defections. Many more. He's radioacitve.

163 The black vote didn;t put Zero over the top in '08....the white vote did. He's gonna lose lots of them in 2012, more than anyone thinks. Especially among the white blue collar types.....they just can't stand Zero anymore. 

164 I had no idea the black community was socialist.

165 I had no idea the black community was socialist.

Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:56 PM (UK9cE)

They are not really socialist. That would imply that they believe government should provide services for everyone. What they believe is government should provide them, as a class, with a living from cradle to grave.

166

What is it with this 'Obama is unbeatable in 2012 because of the black vote' thing some people have come up with?

 

I don't think that anyone said that. I seriously doubt that the Dems will go with anyone else if they risk alienating the black voting bloc. I do  think that there is a way out for both Obama and the Dems, and depending upon how the next year goes, we may see the buyout occur.

167
No one white will be able to primary against The Won. If they do, they'll be labeled raaaaaaaaacists! and shown the door.  The only way someone who isn't black gets the top of the Dem ticket is if The Won announces later in 2011 that he will not be seeking a second term.

And even then, it isn't a cinch that blacks will come out and vote.

168 We hardly have room in the jails any more.  Thank God the Black vote keeps electing these nice people.

Posted by: Kemp at December 08, 2010 10:23 AM (JpFM9)

We won the redistricting rights to return NC to its red state roots.

169 Beyond the Burnout Hillary, who ELSE do the Dems even have who could primary Obama? Anyone at all?

170 No one white will be able to primary against The Won. If they do, they'll be labeled raaaaaaaaacists! and shown the door.  The only way someone who isn't black gets the top of the Dem ticket is if The Won announces later in 2011 that he will not be seeking a second term.

Good thing that liberals and Democrats are and always have been such complete racists then, no?

It's not like they have any sort of bench to pull from to put up a candidate to be the "2nd black President!" now do they?

Maxine Waters?

Vance Jones?

Charlie Rangle?

171

"The reality that the only thing that can save the Obama Presidency at this stage is if there is a dramatic turn around in the economy over the next year or so."

I wish that were true, but two years is an eternity in politics. The economy may still be horrible then, and just as importantly, it may still FEEL horrible. But then again, it may not. There are serious economists out there that believe 2011 will not be a bad year, and that is without anything dramatic occurring or factoring the impact of the extension of the Bush tax cuts into the mix.

Just as Clinton was quick to grab sole credit (with the compliance of the LSM) for welfare reform in 1996, Obama and the LSM will be working overtime to spin any improvement between now and the election as his doing.

There is also the chance for an unforeseen game changer between now and then.

I'll choose an improving economy over political considerations any day. And he is surely in a tough spot right now, which we can all take pleasure in. Just saying, let's not for a second get cocky and delude ourselves into thinking an one term Obama presidency and a 2012 Republican victory is some kind of slam dunk in any way, shape, or form. 

 

172 I'll have to disagree re Hillary losing the black vote in the general.  I'm reminded of a local talk show in Chicago I listened to in the early fall of '96.  The host and guest, both black women, were discussing Bill's first term and they hated it.  The guest went through a laundry list of things in which Bill had "turned his back" on the black community.  But when the host asked her what black voters should do in the upcoming election, the guest just as enthusiastically stated that they had to do everything in their power to see t it that Bill was elected again because "the alternative is so much worse".  Remember that alternative was the innocuous Bob Dole.  If she is the D nominee, she'll get their vote - because the alternative is soooo much worse.