May 09, 2010
— Dave in Texas Is the illegal immigrant argument about race or politics?
Loaded question.
Consider this 2007 video from Sanchee H.S. history teacher Ron Gochez at a La Raza rally at UCLA.
"Stolen, occupied Mexico... at the forefront of a revolutionary movement, La Raza. Our commandante, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez", et. al. "40 million of 'our people' north of the Rio Grande." Most of whom have lived here for generations, as Americans.
The argument is not about immigrants. It's not about Hispanics. It's about whether said immigrants have the desire to participate in the culture and polity of the United States of America and the benefits that become possible with that assimilation, or whether instead they would rather be used by political groups who co-opt them to achieve their political goals, using racial divisiveness and hate-mongering to advance a political agenda.
I think this is largely what we find so offensive about the protests to Arizona's SB1070, and so many of these protesters displaying Mexican flags (not to mention kids getting hammered for wearing U.S. flag regalia on May 5). The protesters on the left and in the MFM play the race card against something that isn't racial, it's political, it's an ideological argument, for or against the concept of national identity and borders.
Gochez is an a idiot but he's an honest idiot in a way, he isn't crying racism so much as he's declaring you have a bit of a problem with supporting capitalism (the "imperialism" bitch rant is the dishonest part and he plays it like the racist card. I'll bet in his warped analysis of history he interprets U.S. sovereignty in the southwestern United States as "imperialism"). His goofy discourse of "history" will completely fail to recall the other nations that were on the stage, hello, Spain. Do not ask him about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo or the Gadsden Purchase, I doubt he studied his history that well.
via Rosetta at H2. Also the "race vs. politics" I gleaned from a discussion with co-blogger LauraW and another blog friend.
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Everyone always forgets me!
Posted by: Archduke Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph of Austria at May 09, 2010 01:20 PM (WBIMn)
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Posted by: eman at May 09, 2010 01:22 PM (ONBbr)
Posted by: Uncle Jed at May 09, 2010 01:22 PM (eKgqT)
Political sure, but my resistance to illegal immigration is their resistance to cultural assimilation and economic costs with the benefit side of illegal immigration going primarily to the illegals themselves and their employers.
Nothing is so costly to the rest of us as "cheap" labor.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at May 09, 2010 01:23 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: eman at May 09, 2010 01:25 PM (ONBbr)
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Posted by: eman at May 09, 2010 01:26 PM (ONBbr)
Posted by: Uncle Jed at May 09, 2010 01:26 PM (eKgqT)
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Posted by: ambidextrous stroker at May 09, 2010 01:28 PM (YsSn7)
I've lived in deep South Texas, in Towns that were 90%+ Mexican. (Not "Hispanic," dipshits: Thats a three-dollar word for junior college nitwits and journalist gringas from Dallas.) There is nothing so moving that a Memorial Day ceremony in such a town, in front of the school, where veterans of WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and others gather to remember their comrades, and celebrate their country.
I'm a total guero myself, but the son of an grateful immigrant from a dreadful Scandi country, so on these occasions I'm with citizens with a longer American patrimony than my own.
Posted by: mesquito at May 09, 2010 01:29 PM (XPn6L)
He's also really interested in underaged latina hotties slutties, going by his myspace page (that is now set to private).
Screen grab: http://bit.ly/da2x82
Thanks to "American Power" blog.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at May 09, 2010 01:32 PM (oIp16)
For the overnight thread on Poco Balones Verdes, I will have Overnight Burrito Stand as the awesome photograph in solidarity with the political prisoners in AZ
Posted by: Carlos Juanson at May 09, 2010 01:35 PM (sYxEE)
Indeed. The Commies infiltrated the schools and here's the inevitable result.
At least in the end, there will be only chaos.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 09, 2010 01:37 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 09, 2010 01:38 PM (jMIIR)
Tech Note: Linkage Mutating into Diaries
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Posted by: kbdabear at May 09, 2010 01:40 PM (sYxEE)
Too bad I don't speak spanish, maybe there are clues to this La Raza which could only be revealed if one spoke spanish...
Posted by: Druid at May 09, 2010 01:43 PM (Oe01r)
For one thing the guy's a rabid anti-Semite. In 2002, he published a Letter to the Editor, at SDSU's Daily Aztec, entitled "The Jewish-owned media continue to blind the masses with propaganda to keep them in fear."
Scratch a Leftist and you get a racist.
Posted by: Countrydoc (fomerly oLD gUY) at May 09, 2010 01:43 PM (131HS)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 09, 2010 01:47 PM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: ziptie at May 09, 2010 01:48 PM (0135J)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 09, 2010 01:49 PM (c0A3e)
Just remember: Israeli "occupation" of their historic lands - BAD!
Central/South American invasion and outright occupation of the U.S. (i.e., aztlan) - GOOD!
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 01:49 PM (PANJ+)
I read Doug Ross' write up about this earlier. Along with being a commie reconquista revolutionary member of La Raza, he is also a rabid anti-semite and pedophile who likes to post pics of scantily clad underage girls on his MySpace page and the guy is a school teacher. Disgusting.
If you listen to his comments about Jews, retaking the southwest and about brown people being the master race, there is pretty much no difference in what he is saying now and what Hitler was saying in 1933.
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 01:49 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: RickS at May 09, 2010 01:53 PM (hKB1N)
He's also really interested in underaged latina hotties slutties, going by his myspace page (that is now set to private).
Screen grab: http://bit.ly/da2x82
Thanks to "American Power" blog.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at May 09, 2010 05:32 PM (oIp16)
--With that beard he has, he might as well wear a T-shirt that screams, "I'm a douche!!"
Posted by: logprof at May 09, 2010 01:53 PM (Mmw0q)
Google mrgochez
They got his pedo file cached - got to use google
Posted by: Druid at May 09, 2010 05:47 PM (Oe01r)
If the cache won't load, I must be a toad.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at May 09, 2010 01:53 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: eman at May 09, 2010 01:53 PM (ONBbr)
Posted by: ExurbanKevin at May 09, 2010 01:54 PM (toqoX)
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Posted by: Pecos Bill at May 09, 2010 01:56 PM (8WOM0)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at May 09, 2010 02:00 PM (erIg9)
Also Mexico (and Spain and, to be fair, Texas as an independent state) never controlled the Comancheria, and they should quit pretending they did.
Spain / Mexico had very little control over the Southwest in general. They were integrated into the Comanche network, not Mexico's.
Which leaves Mexico with... Mexico. And they don't really control the north or the Maya region to this day.
Posted by: Zimriel at May 09, 2010 02:01 PM (rtzHA)
I'll bet pony tail boy also drives a beat up van with a large sack of candy in it and the windows blacked out
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 02:08 PM (t72+4)
Not at AoSHQ.
We start around noon, or on a bad day 3:00 when Ace gets his wake up call.
Posted by: Kemp at May 09, 2010 02:08 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: Spain at May 09, 2010 02:09 PM (FcR7P)
Texas did it first.
The US/Mexico war was a border dispute. We won.
never controlled the Comancheria, and they should quit pretending they did.
Yes, the millions of Comanche of today agree. Oh, wait....
The Texas Rangers did a pretty good job of running them out of Texas.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 09, 2010 02:11 PM (iBTj9)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 09, 2010 02:11 PM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2010 02:11 PM (trjej)
It's very true that California, Arizona, Texas, etc, used to be part of Mexico.
Whoa!
This guy really does need a beat down.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 02:11 PM (PANJ+)
"Is the illegal immigrant argument about race or politics?
Loaded question."
We don't have an immigration debate in this country. Who the hell is against immigration? Very damned few people, that's who. The Conservatives have no fzcking mental discipline on this issue. When you call it "illegal immigration", or just "the immigration debate" or whatever, you are ceding the battlespace to the left. Until the right recognizes this, welcome to Mexamerica, losers!
We can do this while allowing a large influx of "hispanic" (whatever the hell that means) immigrants and guest workers, and welcome to them! Hell yes! I love most of Mexican culture. I despise La Raza, and anyone else who makes this about race. Race is a lie, and so is the use of the term illegal immigrant.
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:12 PM (9b6FB)
I'll bet pony tail boy also drives a beat up van with a large sack of candy in it and the windows blacked out
I don't eat van candy anymore. Last time, I didn't crap right for a month.
Posted by: Gullible Child Helping a Man in a Van Find His Lost Puppy at May 09, 2010 02:13 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: BuddyPC at May 09, 2010 02:14 PM (nSkOL)
If you're legal, welcome.
If you're illegal, get the fuck out.
We're either a nation of laws or we're not. I don't respect anyone who comes here with 'fuck the law' on their lips but is eager for their slice of the pie.
Posted by: nickless at May 09, 2010 02:15 PM (MMC8r)
This guy really does need a beat down.
I meant Gochez re: his obvious pedo tendencies, but your pathetic grasp of history probably warrants one also, Kevin.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 02:16 PM (PANJ+)
Posted by: NotAMolly at May 09, 2010 02:17 PM (ADJFU)
Not really. It all belongs to me. I just let you folks live where you do because I'm cool like that.
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:17 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: The Mastadons at May 09, 2010 02:19 PM (0K3p3)
Look what yoou stepped in! --Gary Larson cartoon
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:20 PM (9b6FB)
Glad this mutt isn't actually at UCLA (sorry rum, didn't know last night), but it's even WORSE than this turd has been turned loose on High School kids. Bad enough he's poisoning their minds, he's probably also astatutory rapist (prove me wrong!).
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 02:21 PM (PANJ+)
On his myspace page he had " Proud Member Of The Santee Tribe". The Santee were a small tribe who lived in the area which is now Lake Marion in South Carolina so I'm not exactly sure why he is even bitching about the southwest since he claiming claiming to be a member of tribe from the American South East.
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 02:22 PM (t72+4)
My name is Pancho I work on a rancho
I make 5 peso's a day
I go see Miss Lucy
She give me some pussy
she take my 5 peso's away
Posted by: sonnyspats at May 09, 2010 02:25 PM (68tQb)
Posted by: Ice Cream Truck Guy at May 09, 2010 02:25 PM (UOM48)
So let's see here. The Spanish conquered the Aztecs. Outside of trade, there is no known Aztec presense in say, Arizona, New Mexico, or California.
Spain did, however, establish churches in all those states.
However, Mexico is not Spain.
So how does Mexico have claim? And then there is just that darn Indian problem.
Tough nut to crack...
Posted by: HH at May 09, 2010 02:26 PM (6oDXl)
We need to change the language in this argument about illegal immigration. We need to drop the word "immigration" from our discussions since this describes the natural and legal movement of people from one place to another.
Instead we should use the word "infiltration", and talk about illegal or unnatural infiltration. This way we can keep the left from skewing our arguments into "we were all immigrants, once" or other such B. S.
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 09, 2010 02:27 PM (S1Ttj)
If I wore an American flag t-shirt while attending a St. Patrick's Day parade, would that be offensive to the micks and harps Irish-A,Americans?
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 02:27 PM (eFWa0)
Posted by: GarandFan at May 09, 2010 02:28 PM (6mwMs)
Posted by: torabora at May 09, 2010 02:28 PM (3iMSh)
Posted by: Mitch Connor at May 09, 2010 02:31 PM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:32 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Uncle Jed at May 09, 2010 02:33 PM (eKgqT)
Obvious note: Originally, the people that lived in what is now South America didn't speak Spanish or Portuguese.
Best breeders win. Doesn't help that we give beautiful, wonderful American citizenship to anyone born on our soil.
As a former Californian, I have seen what's coming.
Posted by: Chicken Little Type Dude at May 09, 2010 02:34 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: Mitch Conner at May 09, 2010 02:36 PM (Mmw0q)
As a former Californian, I have seen what's coming.
Yeah, imagine Greece happening all over SoCal.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 02:36 PM (PANJ+)
I believe this is the tribe of which Ward Churchill is the chief. Tonto is the home secretary.
Posted by: pep at May 09, 2010 02:37 PM (0K3p3)
Ron, you should never preach about the evils of imperialism and capitalism while wearing an expensive leather jacket and a designer shirt and jeans.
Che' and Fidel are not pleased.
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 02:37 PM (t72+4)
We need a clever filmmaker to make a "It's A Wonderful Life" version of "It's A Wonderful Country."
It would be about a relatively young guilt-ridden guy named United States who is depressed, broke, and suicidal and thinks maybe the world would be better if he never existed.
Then an angel named Samuel is sent from the Heavens to intervene and show how lousy the world would be without United States.
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 02:40 PM (eFWa0)
Yeah, imagine Greece happening all over SoCal.
As long as the welfare checks and Section 8 flows, nobody gets hurt. There will be chaos if benefits to the inner cities are cut.
I know, racist.
Posted by: Chicken Little Type Dude at May 09, 2010 02:42 PM (XBdMr)
It would be an interesting film. We'd have to consults with good historians, though, not the Lefty twats in the history departments.
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 02:42 PM (eFWa0)
Crank it and enjoy!
Posted by: logprof at May 09, 2010 02:44 PM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:44 PM (9b6FB)
Then an angel named Samuel is sent from the Heavens to intervene and show how lousy the world would be without United States.
Every fucking time a motherfucking bell rings, a motherfucking liberal compares some bitch to motherfucking Hitler.
Posted by: Guy Who Would Pay $14 to See That at May 09, 2010 02:48 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 02:49 PM (9b6FB)
Of coarse i'll take a microwave, instant coffee and a disguise from the 80's.
Why the disguise? If the future people know i'm from the Obama era, people won't be able to stop laughing at me and i'll never get married or even laid.
I won't go gay and it is cruel to put a bag over a democrat's soul during love making or tea.
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 02:50 PM (EiH7n)
As i head out into the future is there anything yall might suggest i take with me?
Some DVD's. They won't exist anymore.
Oh, and Freedom.
Posted by: HH at May 09, 2010 02:53 PM (6oDXl)
Posted by: flurmf at May 09, 2010 02:53 PM (jxG+1)
That's all I need to hear.
Should Castro have returned control of Cuba to Mexico? Or should it go back to Spain?
Posted by: Druid at May 09, 2010 02:54 PM (Oe01r)
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 09, 2010 02:56 PM (KGYya)
As i head out into the future is there anything yall might suggest i take with me?
Toilet paper. That stuff is going to be more valuable than gold after the zombie apocalypse.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 09, 2010 02:56 PM (PANJ+)
Basic Stuff For Traveling Into the Future or Past
a transistor radio, batteries, toilet paper, gold, sunglasses, good shoes, a jacket, and a hat to hide your pointy ears.
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 02:56 PM (eFWa0)
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 02:57 PM (EiH7n)
Turns out, Gochez was on Bill O'Reilly back in 2002 spewing his La Raza, Aztlan bullshit for all the world to see.
Heres the screencap and short transcript
I havent seen anyone report on that yet at the other sites covering Gochez but all I did was Google his name and there it was.. Perhaps a moron savvier than me can find the full transcript and full video link.
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 02:58 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Doll Fucker at May 09, 2010 02:58 PM (XBdMr)
a transistor radio, batteries, toilet paper, gold, sunglasses, good shoes, a jacket, and a hat to hide your pointy ears.
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 06:56 PM (eFWa0)
Nope, only if you can swallow that shit. Gotta be all-organic on the outside.
Posted by: John Connor at May 09, 2010 02:58 PM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 02:59 PM (EiH7n)
Basic Stuff For Traveling Into the Future or Past
decent running shoes, hair brush, flavored lime water, lipstick, a strong man with brains to figure out what else we need.
trying to be light here..
Posted by: willow at May 09, 2010 03:00 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 03:02 PM (EiH7n)
I'd take a monkey's paw, but I'd be very specific and detailed with my wishes.
Truth be told, I'd probably just use it to masturbate.
Posted by: Typical Man at May 09, 2010 03:04 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 03:04 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 03:04 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: willow at May 09, 2010 03:04 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Typical White Man at May 09, 2010 03:07 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 07:02 PM (eFWa0)
No choice. Bring a Terminatrix that looks like Summer Glau so she can kick someone's ass for clothes and stuff. And so you can admire the lifelike craftsmanship of her physique while doing so.
Posted by: John Connor at May 09, 2010 03:08 PM (Mmw0q)
What would you do? You got no clothes, no money. You're in say, 2020, in the middle of a city or town, what would you do?
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 03:08 PM (eFWa0)
Weird.
In the future, they smoke something called hobokin. I think the Ace lifestyle wins.
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 03:08 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: robotgossip at May 09, 2010 03:09 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 07:08 PM (eFWa0)
Looks like rough trade is in your future. Try to go lubricated.
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 03:10 PM (9b6FB)
Here's the piece of crap Gochez over at Yahoo laughing about the gusanos (worms, maggots, people who fled Cuba) being upset about him and his comrades parading around with Che' Guevara flags at a march.
tinyurl.com/2dqw3jh
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 03:10 PM (t72+4)
You're in say, 2020, in the middle of a city or town, what would you do?
Not sure, but applying for a newspaper job probably wouldn't cut it.
Posted by: HH at May 09, 2010 03:11 PM (6oDXl)
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 07:10 PM (t72+4)
--I wonder how legal he is?
Shitbag
Posted by: logprof at May 09, 2010 03:13 PM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 03:16 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Crusty at May 09, 2010 03:18 PM (qzgbP)
Posted by: Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal at May 09, 2010 07:00 PM (IhHdM)
I can slow it down. I can't stop it, ceptin with a bullet or a rope.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 09, 2010 03:18 PM (iAikX)
I would go back to Washington state in 1979 and seek out Bill Gates. And then, well, let's just say Billy would have another partner.
Posted by: Randolph Mantooth at May 09, 2010 03:20 PM (eFWa0)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 09, 2010 03:20 PM (P33XN)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 09, 2010 07:17 PM (5Etcj)
You tell 'em, esse!
Say, you got a 14 year old sister?
Posted by: Ron Gochez at May 09, 2010 03:21 PM (Mmw0q)
please let me know the Mexican population of what is now the Southwest before we grabbed it ? Hint - it's a damned low number
And most of them supported the US in the war anyway. Not surprising--back then, Mexicans had enough sense to realize they were better off in a country that had limited government. Of course, those Mexicans were mostly landowners, not welfare-sopping losers.
Posted by: Ken at May 09, 2010 03:22 PM (fh5xr)
A peaceful protest...how un American.
Posted by: snapdragon at May 09, 2010 07:17 PM (5Etcj)
If this were tea-party folks talking about open sedition and the overthrow of our government instead of a nice liberal progressive communist Mexican man, I doubt you would call it peaceful then.
Posted by: Blazer at May 09, 2010 03:23 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 09, 2010 03:24 PM (9b6FB)
63 Time to split the nation in two, 395 AD style.
Tea-Partiers move to one side; DC/beltway moochers to the other, and we'll go from there.
Nothing personal, but fuck that.
There are millions of good, working, property-owning, taxpaying citizens in the Blue States who would be uprooted.
What we need, frankly, is to kill a few million leftist trash to teach them that we are men, they are not, and if they ever even think about hurting us ever again, we will exterminate them to the last subhuman.
Sound extreme? Take a look at the way these perverted degenerates live their lives and tell them they deserve better.
Posted by: Ken at May 09, 2010 03:33 PM (fh5xr)
Posted by: snapdragon at May 09, 2010 07:17 PM
Well, they're "mostly peaceful" other than a few cars set on fire and some broken windows, some bottles thrown at cops, and stopping traffic. It's those teabaggrz with their signs that are un American
PS - stop sending me pictures of your wee-wee, I have a boyfriend
Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at May 09, 2010 03:39 PM (sYxEE)
I would go back to Washington state in 1979 and seek out Bill Gates. And then, well, let's just say Billy would have another partner.
If you could fit it into your schedule, would you mind putting a knife into Gates Sr.'s throat. TIA.
Posted by: Barbarian at May 09, 2010 03:39 PM (EL+OC)
I would like a subscription to your newsletter.
Posted by: Barbarian at May 09, 2010 03:41 PM (EL+OC)
We were here first!!!!!
Reparations!!!!!
Posted by: Single-Celled Organisms at May 09, 2010 06:24 PM (XBdMr)
Yeah, right: first my igneous ass.Posted by: Rocks at May 09, 2010 03:44 PM (DCQ0q)
The strongest tribe controls the waterhole .
That's . Just . The . Way . It . 'Fuckin . Is .
Some strong tribes are benevolent . The U.S. and Israel ,for example .
Others , not so much .
Posted by: awkward davies at May 09, 2010 03:45 PM (B4e7Q)
One tribe is full of great warriors and conquerors. Another is filled with oppressive imperialists.
Apparently, the only difference is the color of the tribes skin.
Posted by: Typical White Person at May 09, 2010 03:50 PM (XBdMr)
Obambi---
He drew a line between Thomas Jefferson, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence, and today's challenges.
"What Jefferson recognized... that in the long run, their improbable experiment -- called America -- wouldn't work if its citizens were uninformed, if its citizens were apathetic, if its citizens checked out, and left democracy to those who didn't have the best interests of all the people at heart.
"It could only work if each of us stayed informed and engaged, if we held our government accountable, if we fulfilled the obligations of citizenship."
Posted by: Guy Quoting Obama Who Is Starting To Think Our President Doesn't Get It at May 09, 2010 03:53 PM (XBdMr)
Posted by: Shooter at May 09, 2010 04:07 PM (zfRju)
You don't like your lot in life, the hand history has dealt you- fuck you. Tell it to the United Nations. If you wanted the land so bad you would have done something about it at the time. You didn't, and it's Arizona now. You want reconquista? Fine. You bring your tanks to the border and we'll bring our tanks to the border and we'll see who has more territory at the end of the fucking day. I'm sick and fucking tired of the losers crying 'no fair'. They can all suck the barbed cock of Satan.
Posted by: Jones at May 09, 2010 04:48 PM (JL3qV)
{^_^}
Posted by: JD at May 09, 2010 04:50 PM (F5iZd)
They are always two or three generations removed from Mexico. When I would speak out in class and mention Mexico's horrible racism, corruption, poverty and all-around shitiness and declare that I'm pretty glad the U.S. now owns California they are utterly shocked.
Trying to explain that Mexico stole the land in the first place is just way over their heads.
Posted by: Serena at May 09, 2010 05:49 PM (Vf7O1)
On top of THAT basic foundational principle this "teacher" violates, is the fact that MEXICO did NOT itself actually occupy the lands of these American states, even though some of their peoples wee on the lands.
But the MEXICO GOVERNMENT didn't have any6 GOVERN MENTAL NETWORK set up in those lands that were only wild and open territories at the time.
And when I say "WILD" - I am NOT speaking in terms of raucous crime-ridden outlaw havens. Thee was some crime, but prolly not a fraction of what many today suppose - the populatin was simply not there.
"WILD" as in NOT Govt -managed-to-death - but FREE! Anyone there in those days was on their own.
ALL the governments of Mexico in those days wee the BLOODIEST of dictatorships and most of them were European, by the time in question - the only "local" government being long gone when the Spanish destroyed the Aztecs.
These "Reconquistas" and Azatlans and street gangs are not fighting to retake the USA for the AZTECS. Who never had legitimate claims that far North anyway.
The fact that some European nation of Spain or France's military hunta came north and planted a flag and a Catholic mission on ground (that is now USA by the virtue and power of the vote of the settlers on it declaring themselves in favor of becoming a state in the union of the United States of America) does not ever constitutes a genuine claim for Mexico made by the likes of Maximillian or Santa Anna or Juarez. THEN OR NOW!
Henry Clay - An oppressed people are authorized, whenever they can, to rise and break their fetters.
That person claiming falsely to be a "teacher" is in fact a bald thief, and nothing LESS!
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Posted by: A Casual Observation at May 09, 2010 11:54 PM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 10, 2010 07:37 AM (f7A+e)
There ARE 6 billion people in the world. Almost all of them dirt poor. Are we going to take them all? Most? Even some?
No. We take any more, we turn into the places those poor people want to flee.
We don't have the money, jobs, open land, or anything else.
We need to close ALL Immigration, legal and illegal. We have US Citizens who need jobs, no need to import more job-seekers. We have US Citizens who need help, in health, education, and welfare spending. Hopefully, a short-time assistance to get people back to work, making money.
We can't do that if we take in any more people. The only exception should be multi-millionaires seeking to invest completely in the US. If Chinese and Korean mulit-millionaires want to invest $20 million in the US (or Carlos Slim) that's fine. We won't take more than 1,000 folks off that list, because that's all there is.
Posted by: whiskey at May 10, 2010 11:11 AM (L03mw)
Posted by: cuchieddie at May 10, 2010 12:33 PM (11l0O)
Posted by: tahDeetz at May 10, 2010 08:47 PM (m4NLH)
and please, chuckles, and other such minions, spare me the nativist, racist crap. i come from a multi-racial family, and am bi-racial so go F- yourselves...remember, only "white" people can be racist...anyway, i digress...
why is this guy teaching in american schools? he obviously hates this country, and has a political agenda of a rather revolutionary bent. people, you really need to watch who is teaching your children. there are radical teachers like this in k-12 education all over the country, and the reason why they are there is because YOU do nothing about it.
Posted by: mistress overdone at May 10, 2010 08:53 PM (2/oBD)
Posted by: dfcvbcb at May 18, 2010 09:01 PM (eU/Oa)
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Posted by: President High-Tech at May 09, 2010 01:20 PM (FcR7P)