June 13, 2010
— Dave in Texas They really wish he would just go away.
I don't mean to be dogging on the guy, he obviously has issues. I'm rather dogging on the process that made Alvin Greene the Democrat candidate for Senator from South Carolina, to face Jim DeMint in the general in November.
The official set of instructions from the MFM appear to be "run him into the ground to make him leave". So they're dogging him, not me.
I just don't see this as subterfuge, or sinister. Clumsy, that I see. Very, very clumsy. As mentioned earlier, I just had no expectations that SC politics this year would be this interesting.
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Posted by: TEE866 at June 13, 2010 03:50 PM (3okO/)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 13, 2010 03:50 PM (M9BNu)
Posted by: logprof at June 13, 2010 03:50 PM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2010 03:51 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 03:52 PM (j3//4)
wow, I never saw any CNN talking heads put Blago on the hot seat like they did to this guy. Why do they think it was a Republican plot that Greene won? The word probably got out on the Black church grapevine to vote for him. African-American churches are still pretty influential in the community.
Posted by: kallisto at June 13, 2010 03:52 PM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 13, 2010 03:55 PM (xO+6C)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 03:55 PM (j3//4)
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 03:56 PM (4UDVx)
The biggest mystery to me is what is his motivation for doing this. Is he depressed and bitter and this is his way of mischievously lashing out?
Posted by: Smapty at June 13, 2010 03:56 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 13, 2010 03:56 PM (naZzF)
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2010 03:57 PM (suLFV)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 03:57 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: ParisParamus at June 13, 2010 04:00 PM (2/WqP)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 13, 2010 04:00 PM (xO+6C)
"they're the knuckleheads"
Don Lemon is going out of his way to prove that Greene is mentally impaired. He keeps asking him if he's "alright right now, but you don't sound alright...why are you laughing?" hmmm... I recall a Steve Croft 60 minutes interview during which those questions would have been appropriate. And he wasn't sitting across a democrat candidate for senate.
Posted by: kallisto at June 13, 2010 04:00 PM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 04:00 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:01 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 13, 2010 04:01 PM (sfNbl)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:01 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 08:01 PM (oVQFe)
I just assume they're not, liberalism is a persistent vegetative state.
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at June 13, 2010 04:02 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: tdpwells at June 13, 2010 04:02 PM (Ei3oZ)
Posted by: Cynthia McKinney aboard the "Arafat" at June 13, 2010 04:02 PM (Weo34)
Didn't remember that was the same jerk reporter, thanks for the remind.
I couldn't listen to more than half the phone interview. Greene is so in over his head. But it was funny hearing the reporter have to explain to Greene that you can't use the "no comment" excuse as a public figure.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:03 PM (c0A3e)
Is Don Lemon the guy who was stunned at the Olympic committee vote -
"Chicago is...OUT???? Chicago is OUTTT??!??"
Posted by: kallisto at June 13, 2010 04:03 PM (+FkcS)
I can think of at least 20 or 30 sitting democrat office holders less entitled to high office than this guy. Alcee Hastings anybody?
Clyburn is shameless.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 13, 2010 04:03 PM (0pYSi)
The other question is- why do they care? The reason he won, despite an almost complete lack of campaigning or name recognition, is that it was an unimportant race.
Unless DeMint gets caught with a dead girl or live boy, he's a shoe-in.
As for Greene, even though he doesn't have a hope in hell of winning, I have to imagine that winning a primary comes with some nice perks. As stated in Murphy's Laws of Combat: If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 04:03 PM (plsiE)
I dunno. McKinney is a bag of hammers and a box of rocks.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 13, 2010 04:04 PM (554T5)
A Democrat boss was looking for a way to get past November Voter Anger. He simply made a bet: find a guy who is very malleable, sped $10,500 to get his name on the ballot, then do nothing but drink beer until the primary is over.
Who knew this bet would pay off?
Greene's essentially unassailable; to run attack ads against him is to raise a lot of sympathy votes for him. Spanking him in a debate or two will be a real tragi-comedy;viewers will leave or change channels en-masse rather than watch Greene take a beating.
#8 kallisto has a point. I suspect that the word that Greene was black was enough to get him a lot of votes; no need to see or hear the man. probably no reason to even mention him specifically in church.
Posted by: Arbalest at June 13, 2010 04:04 PM (nP/tp)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 13, 2010 04:05 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:07 PM (W+GYq)
Military Service
Heterosexual
Christian (I think, what is he??)
Honestly unemployed instead of left wing agitator
Posted by: nine coconuts at June 13, 2010 04:07 PM (DHNp4)
Let's list the reasons why this guy is actually a better candidate than Obama. I'll start:
1. He was probably born in the U.S. to two American parents
2. He grew up in the U.S.
3. He has work experience
4. He's not married to Michelle
5. He might have criminal friends but they probably didn't write a book for him
6. We're sure he's straight
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:07 PM (j3//4)
They're now claiming that they're really from Southern North Carolina.
Posted by: TexasJew at June 13, 2010 04:08 PM (OLueQ)
Posted by: Joe - God love ya - Bidet at June 13, 2010 04:09 PM (DHNp4)
Posted by: DaMav at June 13, 2010 04:09 PM (QNU76)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 13, 2010 04:10 PM (RtE8Y)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at June 13, 2010 04:10 PM (xO+6C)
They're now claiming that they're really from Southern North Carolina.
Heh. Up until the past few weeks, I've always thought of Southern Carolina as a normal place, Grahamnasty being the exception.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:10 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Baracky at June 13, 2010 04:10 PM (OLueQ)
Posted by: DaMav at June 13, 2010 08:09 PM (QNU76)
He's too competent for this administration
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:10 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:11 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:11 PM (j3//4)
52 45 My wife's family is from South Carolina and have been there since before the Civil War and are now embarrassed as hell about it.
They're now claiming that they're really from Southern North Carolina.
Heh. Up until the past few weeks, I've always thought of Southern Carolina as a normal place, Grahamnasty being the exception.
I'm loving the fact that all this SC drama is coming out a few months after I decided to move down there. I'm not having second thoughts though, really.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 13, 2010 04:11 PM (0pYSi)
I will happily step down if any member of the Congressional Black Caucus can best me in Scrabble.
Best 2 of 3 takes it.
Posted by: A. Greene at June 13, 2010 04:11 PM (YWIB1)
Posted by: Crusty at June 13, 2010 04:12 PM (qzgbP)
Hollowpoint, they care because he's embarrassing them. He's an obviously flawed candidate, an idiot (not to be harsh but cmon), and he crept in under the party radar.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 13, 2010 04:13 PM (Wh0W+)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:13 PM (j3//4)
Thanks for depressing me, Sassy, .
Need to find some cyanide pills just in case now.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 07:55 PM (c0A3e)
Sacred honor compels me to admit that yes........ Alvin Green and I had an inappropriate physical relationship.
Posted by: Will Folks at June 13, 2010 04:13 PM (t72+4)
I will happily step down if any member of the Congressional Black Caucus can best me in Scrabble.
Best 2 of 3 takes it.
It's on!
Posted by: Barbara Lee at June 13, 2010 04:13 PM (0pYSi)
Oh, it's the same CNN, but Greene is just a failed pawn - thus expendable.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:13 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2010 04:14 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 04:14 PM (JggDO)
Is Don Lemon the guy who was stunned at the Olympic committee vote -
"Chicago is...OUT???? Chicago is OUTTT??!??"
Posted by: kallisto at June 13, 2010 08:03 PM (+FkcS)
No that's their bald black reporter. Here. Apparently the Unprecedented response in Africa video has been removed. I found the report on it at SayAnything. But that's it.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:14 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 08:01 PM (W+GYq)
Yes, I have visions of The Torch Part 2.
Btw, seeing Alvin Greene interviewed by fuzznuts Don Lemon and Bathtub Boy, I find him much more likeable than either of those dumbfucks.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 13, 2010 04:15 PM (naZzF)
Hollowpoint, they care because he's embarrassing them. He's an obviously flawed candidate, an idiot (not to be harsh but cmon), and he crept in under the party radar.
Big time. Dude is an idiot.
Posted by: Hank Johnson at June 13, 2010 04:15 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 13, 2010 04:15 PM (RtE8Y)
The lefty media will be demanding his birth certificate and transcripts next.
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 08:13 PM (j3//4)
Hell, before its all over with they'll probably plant a dead hooker in the trunk of his car.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 04:15 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:15 PM (j3//4)
Like Rangel, Frank, Murtha, Jefferson, Geitner, etc..
Posted by: nine coconuts at June 13, 2010 04:16 PM (DHNp4)
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 13, 2010 04:16 PM (DB92a)
Hell, before its all over with they'll probably plant a dead hooker in the trunk of his car.
I don't own a car.
Posted by: Al Greene at June 13, 2010 04:18 PM (YWIB1)
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 04:18 PM (JggDO)
I'm sick of being the stupidest person in the Senate. Please elect Allen Grean!
Posted by: Patty Murray at June 13, 2010 04:18 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:19 PM (W+GYq)
Hell, before its all over with
they'll probably plant a dead hooker in the trunk of his car.
I don't own a car.
Posted by: Al Greene at June 13, 2010 08:18 PM (YWIB1)
We'll buy you one just so we can plant a dead hooker in the trunk and some crack cocaine under the seat.
Posted by: The MFM at June 13, 2010 04:20 PM (t72+4)
If the voters don't like Al using "no comment" they can punish him for it at the polls. Just as the viewers punish CNN for putting Lemon on the air.
Ah, didn't mean to imply that Lemon couldn't use that, but it's still not a good idea. Goes to show how green Greene is at the who political game.
As for Lemon's hostility towards a "fellow" Dem, it's obvious that Lemon would rather see Greene out as to not hurt the Dems chances in SC even further.
Which is futile anyway because, as has been posted many times, the only way DeMint isn't winning is if he's caught with a live girl or a dead boy.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:20 PM (c0A3e)
Toonces will prolly assign him to the nuclear football.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 13, 2010 04:20 PM (554T5)
Hell, before its all over with they'll probably plant a dead hooker in the trunk of his car.
I don't own a car.
Posted by: Al Greene at June 13, 2010 08:18 PM (YWIB1)
Ok, your bed then.
Posted by: Your Enemies at June 13, 2010 04:20 PM (JggDO)
Posted by: Josef K. at June 13, 2010 04:21 PM (7+pP9)
Military Service
Heterosexual
Christian (I think, what is he??)
Honestly unemployed instead of left wing agitator
Lives with his father.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 13, 2010 04:21 PM (M9BNu)
Posted by: Smapty at June 13, 2010 04:21 PM (bAySe)
It doesn't automatically follow, however, that all SC GOP voters are geniuses.
Are you talkin about me?
Posted by: Andre Bauer Voter at June 13, 2010 04:22 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: BA at June 13, 2010 04:22 PM (GkYyh)
As ye sow, so shall ye reap (just to get a little biblical on the whole thang)
Posted by: not neo just conservative at June 13, 2010 04:22 PM (sSIJN)
Posted by: Harry Reid at June 13, 2010 04:23 PM (Mmw0q)
I'm sick of being the stupidest person in the Senate. Please elect Allen Grean!
Posted by: Patty Murray at June 13, 2010 08:18 PM (0pYSi)
Patty, I think I have a lock on that.
Posted by: sheriff Joe Biden , Senate President at June 13, 2010 04:23 PM (JggDO)
Posted by: Smapty at June 13, 2010 04:23 PM (bAySe)
Duck Soup is on Turner Classic Movies now. Groucho just sang his song about how he is going to run Fredonia. All I could think of is, "He channelled Obama." Every word was a dead on mockery of our Precedent.
I'm watching that...I don't get it.
Posted by: Al Greene at June 13, 2010 04:24 PM (YWIB1)
Yeah, but that's why there's a sudden media blitz on this guy. They want to show how "serious" the Democrats are compared to the Republicans.
Posted by: the peanut gallery at June 13, 2010 04:24 PM (NurK6)
Posted by: sheriff Joe Biden , Senate President at June 13, 2010 04:25 PM (JggDO)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:25 PM (W+GYq)
It was their insane firing on Ft. Sumpter that propelled the Civil War into the history books
Whoa there yankee..
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:26 PM (j3//4)
Posted by: Al Greene at June 13, 2010 04:26 PM (YVZlY)
Well this is the Naacp South Carolina version . A significant number of black democrats really are this racist . It's usually not overt here in the south like the black panthers are in Philly but it's there none the less .
Just stating the obvious .
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 04:28 PM (B4e7Q)
Posted by: Smapty at June 13, 2010 08:21 PM (bAySe)
Does SC require signatures? I'm sure the reasoning is the same. If you are serious about running you will either pony up the fee or get the signatures. Honestly I like the idea of a fee better. If you do the signatures you have to have people verify them, and then people can attempt to get you thrown off the ballot by claiming you don't have enough valid signatures. A filing fee could be used to go to the funding of the election.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:28 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Smapty at June 13, 2010 08:21 PM (bAySe)
SCOTUS says a signature drive can substitute.
That's a perfect example of what is wrong with SCOTUS. They're MAKING law in this example.
spit
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 04:29 PM (JggDO)
Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 13, 2010 04:29 PM (r60xu)
Posted by: Pelayo, East Tennessee Member of Son of Union Veterans of The Civil War at June 13, 2010 04:29 PM (QLmzi)
It has been pointed out that there were some "irregularities" in the votes cast. I'm wondering if the dems were fiddling with the vote machine they have down there, and fucked something up. Like maybe they were testing something new for the post primary vote, and fucked something up.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 13, 2010 04:30 PM (DB92a)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:30 PM (j3//4)
My theory is that it was a plant and a dirty trick by the Dems. They knew they had virtually no chance to beat DeMint. The were pushing Vic Rawls from Charleston and figured everyone would go right along with that.
So they give this guy the money to file and telly him to run. The idea being that after Rawls won the actual campaign would get underway. In late Oct they would drag this guy out and accuse the Republicans of trying to throw the election and violations of campaign finance rules. Hopefully this would be enough to temporarily throw a wrench in DeMint's capaign.
The scheme back-fired and the nobody won. The Dem party had started believing their own rhetoric and forgot that blacks will vote for blacks over whites 99.9% of the time.
The Rawls campaign has until Monday at noon to file the protest. What's more the protest has to be based on something other than gossip and innuendo. So far that's all they have unless they admit to the violations themselves.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 04:30 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at June 13, 2010 04:31 PM (rQTdM)
Posted by: Doom_n_gloom at June 13, 2010 04:31 PM (5jCbz)
That's kinda awesome right there.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 13, 2010 04:31 PM (M9BNu)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 08:04 PM (t72+4)
I saw what you did there, sir. Well played.
Posted by: Goatse at June 13, 2010 04:31 PM (DkEUV)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:32 PM (W+GYq)
Hollowpoint, they care because he's embarrassing them. He's an obviously flawed candidate, an idiot (not to be harsh but cmon), and he crept in under the party radar.
Yeah, I get that- they don't want to admit that their own electorate played by the "identity politics" rules the Democrats have so carefully crafted.
But why intentionally draw so much attention to the guy if he's such an embarrassment (and he is) to them? Wouldn't it be easier to keep this guy hidden under a rock and try and polish him up a bit?
Even if they were to get their wish and get Greene drop out of the race, the damage is done- how is the black community in SC going to react if the Dem establishment forces out the black candidate who (apparently) won the primary in favor of the white guy who lost?
Why magnify the embarrassment by putting the spotlight on Greene when they have no chance of winning with either candidate anyways?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 04:32 PM (plsiE)
That was a story pushed by the Dems and the press was glad to repeat it for them. Subsequent investigation shows that the counts that were claimed to be irregular were not and the differences in write vs election day were not out of the ordinary.
In other words, there was nothing to it.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 04:32 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: ParisParamus at June 13, 2010 08:00 PM (2/WqP)
PP, I fear association with this fella will HELP them. It's the way they roll.
It's a race to the bottom. We truly live in The Age of Incompetance.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2010 04:32 PM (JggDO)
I don't think he's going to bow out. This is probably the greatest opportunity in his life, although he faces almost certain defeat in Nov.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:32 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Forrest Gump at June 13, 2010 04:33 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:35 PM (j3//4)
... he crept in under the party radar.
Yeah, it has been pointed 24-7 toward Alaska for some reason.
Posted by: sherlock at June 13, 2010 04:35 PM (thr9V)
Posted by: Eric Massa at June 13, 2010 08:24 PM (t72+4)
Easy there, ex-senator.
Posted by: Goatse at June 13, 2010 04:36 PM (DkEUV)
Which is what I think will happen.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at June 13, 2010 04:36 PM (DB92a)
Posted by: Doom_n_gloom at June 13, 2010 04:36 PM (5jCbz)
Posted by: JP at June 13, 2010 04:37 PM (+hVrU)
Posted by: Alvin Greene at June 13, 2010 04:37 PM (fwSHf)
Hollowpoint, I think (I'm an idiot, but this is what I think), using the MFM to bury him is the path of least resistance. They spend no political capital that way.
Just make him go away. Stop being an issue.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 13, 2010 04:37 PM (Wh0W+)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:38 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: Pelayo at June 13, 2010 04:39 PM (QLmzi)
I don't think that is going to happen. There has been too much press about the incident at the USC dorm that he sneaked into.
If he has any other charges at all he will do some hard time on that one. Not only that but he will be a registered sex offender and on the list.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 04:40 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: A bag of hammers at June 13, 2010 08:38 PM (aj4hp)
Me too!
Posted by: Barbara Box o Rocks at June 13, 2010 04:40 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 04:41 PM (B4e7Q)
If he has any other charges at all he will do some hard time on that one. Not only that but he will be a registered sex offender and on the list.
Not a problem!
Posted by: Gerry Studds at June 13, 2010 04:42 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: Pelayo at June 13, 2010 08:39 PM (QLmzi)
--Yeah, Appalachia was very strongly divided. Very few of the people there owned slaves, and since they were mostly poor had little in common with the large plantation owners in other ways as well. That's why West Virginia broke away from Virginia.
Posted by: logprof at June 13, 2010 04:42 PM (Mmw0q)
Very few of the people who actually fought in the Confederate Army owned slaves either.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 04:44 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: Nicjie Goomba at June 13, 2010 04:45 PM (6lRYQ)
Very few of the people who actually fought in the Confederate Army owned slaves either.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 08:44 PM (6taRI)
--Indeed, but most textbooks do not make that point.
Posted by: logprof at June 13, 2010 04:46 PM (Mmw0q)
14, 74
Yes but you left out the brilliance of Rep. Hank Johnson's D. GA. When he expressed his concern that Guam may tip over if we add more military to out bases.
Posted by: Buffalobob at June 13, 2010 04:46 PM (jWZda)
You two are gonna have one hell of a time deciding upon which end of the island you both need to stand on to keep it from tipping.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 13, 2010 04:46 PM (554T5)
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 08:41 PM (B4e7Q)
Yeah but they can't claim that because they like to pretend there is no racial issues in elections except for white people refusin to vote for a black Democrat. That is the only kind of racism in their world.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:46 PM (oVQFe)
Very few of the people who actually fought in the Confederate Army owned slaves either.
My college professor told me that 89.7% of southerners owned slaves. You lie!
Posted by: Young lefty at June 13, 2010 04:46 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 08:13 PM (j3//4)
If, IF, there is some sort of plant conspiracy, then this is where the whole genius of it is. They'll start calling for that stuff and Greene will cry foul of the MFM for having double standards for this little ol' Senate candidate vs. the Presidential candidate. I think he's priming them for those kinds of inquiries. This could be very entertaining, indeed. That this "knucklehead" will be asking very simple questions THE WHOLE COUNTRY WANTS ANSWERS TO.
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 04:47 PM (YX6i/)
It was their insane firing on Ft. Sumpter that propelled the Civil War into the history books.
Ok. Well, whoa there east tennessean?
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2010 04:47 PM (j3//4)
Indeed, most textbooks are nothing more than Northern liberal propaganda and have very little in it that is accurate with regard to the war occurring between 1861 and 1865.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 04:48 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: Nicjie Goomba at June 13, 2010 08:45 PM (6lRYQ)
That's gonna be a problem for msnbc
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:49 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Nicjie Goomba at June 13, 2010 04:49 PM (6lRYQ)
--Yeah, Appalachia was very
strongly divided. Very few of the people there owned slaves, and since
they were mostly poor had little in common with the large plantation
owners in other ways as well. That's why West Virginia broke away from
Virginia.
Posted by: logprof at June 13, 2010 08:42 PM (Mmw0q)
Even parts of Mississippi were pro-Union, such as Pontotoc county way up in the northeast and around Jones County. Much of eastern Mississippi is hilly, was full of poor white farmers without good cotton land, and there were few slaves.
Posted by: TexasJew at June 13, 2010 04:49 PM (OLueQ)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2010 04:50 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at June 13, 2010 04:51 PM (6lRYQ)
Posted by: Nicjie Goomba at June 13, 2010 08:45 PM (6lRYQ)
That's gonna be a problem for msnbc
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 08:49 PM (oVQFe)
Not necessarily, they can always put Rachel Maddow in blackface.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 04:51 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Sharpest Tool in the Shed at June 13, 2010 04:52 PM (0pYSi)
Heh, no comment?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 04:52 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 13, 2010 08:46 PM (554T5)
Me and Hank, we stand together, both of us together on the same side of the Island saving Guam.
Posted by: Alvin Greene at June 13, 2010 04:55 PM (fwSHf)
Indeed, most textbooks are nothing more than Northern liberal propaganda and have very little in it that is accurate with regard to the war occurring between 1861 and 1865.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2010 08:48 PM (6taRI)
Typical lesson plans of the Civil war in American schools.
Fort Sumter, Begins the war
Jefferson Davis Confederate President
Robert E Lee Genius general that hated slaves and turned down Lincoln's offer to serve the Union
Union keeps havin incompetent generals
Gettysburg
Emancipation Proclomation
Grant becomes Union Lead general
Sherman burns Atlanta
Appamatox Courthouse ends the war
Lincoln is shot
Its not the accuracy of what is said so much as what is ommitted.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 04:56 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 04:56 PM (aj4hp)
Posted by: logprof at June 13, 2010 04:57 PM (Mmw0q)
Those scumbags are either ignorant of the forces at play in these issues or they really want a tribal war .
Posted by: awkward davies at June 13, 2010 04:57 PM (B4e7Q)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at June 13, 2010 04:57 PM (HpT9p)
Posted by: RushBabe at June 13, 2010 04:58 PM (W8m8i)
In fact, Karl Marx's brother-in-law even founded a commune there!
These socialist Germans were very much anti-slavery and many went off to fight for the Union and were killed for it by other locals. I have heard for many years that there is a monumnet to the Union dead in New Braunfels, but have never seen it myself.
Their "hero" was old Sam Houston, who repeatedly spoke out against secession and destroyed his political career in doing so.
Posted by: TexasJew at June 13, 2010 04:58 PM (OLueQ)
OT: Heh, I just read a column buy Joan Walsh regarding Obambi. She is even calling Bambi a whiny little bitch that is worried more about himself than either the Gulf or the democratic party.
There is going to be a run on popcorn here soon.
Posted by: robtr at June 13, 2010 04:59 PM (fwSHf)
Speaking of soccer, teh Palin came across Presidunce Tar Balls t'other day.
Posted by: RushBabe at June 13, 2010 08:58 PM (W8m8i)
Well at least somebody finally found an ass to kick. Of course with Wee Wee you can't miss because he's all ass.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 05:00 PM (t72+4)
First of all, what differentiates him from any other democrat of the last 15 years? He is no less than a Charlie Rangel when it comes to honesty and forthrightness, and sounds more well-spoken and coherent than Babs Boxer or Cynthia McKinney...
And since when did CNN go after democrats? Oh...when they actually are no doubt going to hurt the democrat party BEFORE they get into office, ie lose the dems a seat...
Fuck 'em all.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at June 13, 2010 05:02 PM (CMPXK)
Here is Rep. Hank Johnson's D. GA. utube clip. His handlers later said that he was joking. If you watch him closely you may notice he is dead serious and has trouble articulating length and width dimensions of the island.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
Posted by: Buffalobob at June 13, 2010 05:02 PM (jWZda)
Posted by: Zimriel the Englishman at June 13, 2010 05:02 PM (rtzHA)
Hollowpoint, I think (I'm an idiot, but this is what I think), using the MFM to bury him is the path of least resistance. They spend no political capital that way.
Just make him go away. Stop being an issue.
Well, someone's an idiot in this story, but I don't think it's you or I.
If they want him to go away (and they do), you'd think they'd want to do it quietly- letting the guy do interviews on CNN isn't very quiet. The time to bury the guy with bad press would've been before the election. Now it's going to cost quite a bit of political capital among black voters who may not be happy about the attempts by the Dem establishment to railroad him out of the race he won.
I'd have grabbed this guy the moment he won and set him up in a nice office under the the guise of helping him. This while making sure he stayed at least 100 miles from the nearest TV camera until they figured out a way to quietly force him out. Airing your dirty laundry on national TV just seems like bad PR to me.
But then again, I'm not a Democrat- admitting that "yeah, we fucked up" isn't a foreign concept to me.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 05:03 PM (plsiE)
you know what pisses me off about this, that cnn asshole keeps pushing him about 'did you commit a crime?"
he answered over and over no comment, my lawyer is handling it
okay, how many laws has fucking obama broke so far? why isn'tthis asshole hounding him about it?
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 05:05 PM (gg4j2)
Posted by: Zimriel at June 13, 2010 05:05 PM (rtzHA)
Over at one of the WaPo blogs regarding good ole Alvin, a lot of tards on there say no matter what if you voted for Palin you're the dumbest idjit ever. So, there's a line of dumbitude support there they've drawn through the electorate wherein Alvin still comes out on top over Palin.
I never saw such hatred for anyone in my life as I see them vent on Palin. Man does she hit a nerve with the tards. To them she's the unassailable apogee of dumbass. And viscerally hated for it. Among the Dems, poor Alvin sure doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed to me. But, does that matter, really? Seriously, Buckley wasn't just joking when he made the crack about being governed by the first 100 people in the phonebook rather than the faculty of Harvard. They're a confederacy of dunces and don't know it. Here's why Alvin is better than anybody on the hallowed Team of Rivals: I bet he knows he's not a genius. That means he's got one thing nobody in Obama's administration has shown any evidence of: a little bit of wisdom. Trumps intelligence. I like him. I even like his failed panty raid. He does seem like a regular guy who somehow busted out.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 05:10 PM (XYcTY)
I would totally vote for this Al Greene guy. He looks like the kinda guy that would fuck a chicken, and not in the figurative sense either.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 05:10 PM (t72+4)
Lemon wasn't being hard on Greene, Lemon was trying to coach him along. He was trying to prompt Greene to give the "correct" answer. His question at the end - "are you mentally fit right now?" - he wanted Greene to say something like "no, my pain meds just kicked in" or something and that would have let him off the hook - "well okay, call back when you're feeling better! we'll just erase this whole interview then!" I think Lemon was feeling sorry for Greene, not trying to dog him.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:11 PM (Gk/wA)
That's awesome! Where's that pic of Palin from anyway?
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 05:13 PM (c0A3e)
186 my favorite teh sarah! hypocrisy has to be boobgate
after pelosi turned herself into michael jackson they have the sack to talk about teh sarah!'s tits?
pathetic, besides, we noticed her large hooters a long time ago
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 05:13 PM (gg4j2)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:15 PM (Gk/wA)
Posted by: Zimriel at June 13, 2010 09:05 PM (rtzHA)
Jenny Marx's brother Edgar von Westphalen was active in the Comfort area (Kendall County) as well as in Gillespie County - the home county of LBJ, by the way.
Posted by: TexasJew at June 13, 2010 05:15 PM (OLueQ)
after pelosi turned herself into michael jackson they have the sack to talk about teh sarah!'s tits?
It was actually the other way around. Michael Jackson was born a good looking black man and died an old white lady.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 05:15 PM (t72+4)
pathetic, besides, we noticed her large hooters a long time ago
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 09:13 PM (gg4j2)
My loyalty to my wife requires me to say I don't know what you are talking about.
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 05:16 PM (YX6i/)
192 i thought you were having a tounce in helen thomas' garden
oooh, i think i threw up a little in my mouth there
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 05:17 PM (gg4j2)
186 my favorite teh sarah! hypocrisy has to be boobgate
after pelosi turned herself into michael jackson they have the sack to talk about teh sarah!'s tits?
pathetic, besides, we noticed her large hooters a long time ago
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 09:13 PM (gg4j2)
No kidding. There's even the college photo of her with the funny shirt about her chest.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2010 05:17 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:17 PM (Gk/wA)
My loyalty to my wife requires me
to say I don't know what you are talking about.
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 09:16 PM (YX6i/)
Bullshit. I saw you using PGIS's cleavage as a drink holder in that moron meet-up video you posted.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 05:18 PM (t72+4)
Among them my ancestor. He didn't like a buncha northeastern jerks in Congress telling him what to do. I'm increasingly sympathetic.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 13, 2010 05:18 PM (M9BNu)
You musta been watching a different interview, chemjeff.
Posted by: Cowboy at June 13, 2010 05:18 PM (XYcTY)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2010 05:18 PM (GblM6)
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 05:18 PM (YX6i/)
195 amen, btw, has the wierd food cravings hit yet?
i'm lucky, i showed her a picture of teh sarah! a while back and t's comment was 'wow, nice tits"
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 05:19 PM (gg4j2)
pathetic, besides, we noticed her large hooters a long time ago
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 09:13 PM (gg4j2)
My loyalty to my wife requires me to say I don't know what you are talking about.
Don't be a beta. I noticed. Depends on what the meaning of the word loyalty is...
Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 13, 2010 05:19 PM (0pYSi)
Greene's damaged goods. Not necessarily a deal-killer for dems, but Greene doesn't have the political skills required to survive as Dem. The MFM won't help him.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at June 13, 2010 05:20 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 09:18 PM (t72+4)
And my wife, sitting directly across the table from PGiS would have completely appreciated that.
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 05:20 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: dead voter at June 13, 2010 05:21 PM (KjOeq)
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 09:18 PM (t72+4)
And my wife, sitting directly across the table from PGiS
would have completely appreciated that.
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 09:20 PM (YX6i/)
It was extremely dark, hell, I had to wear night vision when I watched it.
Posted by: Blazer at June 13, 2010 05:21 PM (t72+4)
you know, if this idiot can get the vote to run for the fucking senate, i really have to put foward the effort to run for the state house
VOTE FOR JOE....I JUST WANT 20% CASH!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 13, 2010 05:21 PM (gg4j2)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at June 13, 2010 05:22 PM (NuAIL)
Posted by: Dave S at June 13, 2010 05:22 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Editor at June 13, 2010 05:23 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:25 PM (Gk/wA)
Reading some of the lefty blogs is hilarious.
Many are re-hashing the old 2000 Debold / Cheney conspiracy theories, insisting that the voting machines were rigged by the Corporate Machine that secretly runs the country.
Another one claimed that this is a setup by the Dems because they want DeMint to win, as the Dems are so insufficiently "progressive" that they didn't want Greene's liberal opponent to win.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 05:25 PM (plsiE)
Posted by: gomm at June 13, 2010 05:25 PM (7JES6)
I think it should be: VOTE FOR JOE, OR MY WIFE WILL FACILITATE YOUR MEETING WITH BUBBA IN FEDERAL POUND ME IN THE ASS PRISON. JUS'SAYIN' IS ALL. JOE IN 2010.
Noooooooooooooo!
Posted by: Michael Bolton at June 13, 2010 05:25 PM (0pYSi)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:28 PM (Gk/wA)
Reading some of the lefty blogs is hilarious.
Many are re-hashing the old 2000 Debold / Cheney conspiracy theories, insisting that the voting machines were rigged by the Corporate Machine that secretly runs the country.
Another one claimed that this is a setup by the Dems because they want DeMint to win, as the Dems are so insufficiently "progressive" that they didn't want Greene's liberal opponent to win.
And this is from the so-called "reality based community".
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:29 PM (Gk/wA)
If I were running the Dem Party in South Carolina I would just try to manage the guy until November and then play the race card like HELL, trying to get him elected.
If you critizise his intelligence, you are a RACIST.
His White woman accuser and prosecuting D.A. are all RACISTS.
Just beat that drum loud and often and hope for the best.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at June 13, 2010 05:30 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 13, 2010 05:30 PM (Gk/wA)
Posted by: stace at June 13, 2010 05:31 PM (LYakY)
Naww, Editor, I think that they wanted to exculpate him. "Psst - don't say 'no comment', instead this is where you give your side of the story and we will slant it in your favor"
The MFM is a subsidiary of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party wants Greene gone. The media isn't on his side.
The old "I've been advised by my attorney not to comment on the case" line is accepted by the media all the time. Were it a favored Dem, a "no comment" answer would've been allowed to pass.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 05:43 PM (plsiE)
Posted by: eman at June 13, 2010 05:44 PM (aj4hp)
Posted by: Stan25 at June 13, 2010 05:50 PM (N1Gru)
i still think it's weird that he garnered 100,000 votes without any exposure in the media or whatsoever campaigning.
any thing to the computer fraud question?
I doubt it. His opponent wasn't exactly a household name, either. Who here ever heard of his opponent Vic Rawl?
This wasn't a high-profile race; the Dems have almost no chance of beating DeMint in November . The explanation that Greene appeared first on the ballot combined with an African-American sounding name is perfectly plausible in a race among two little-known candidates in a low-profile race.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2010 05:51 PM (plsiE)
There's an easy way out though. Clinton can offer him a job as Joe Sestak's assistant working in the Whitehouse.
Posted by: little_johnny at June 13, 2010 05:57 PM (pFmeP)
Posted by: Buford Gooch at June 13, 2010 06:00 PM (Oq4Vk)
Posted by: Michael Bates at June 13, 2010 06:10 PM (Oo8Y/)
Posted by: Trinity at June 13, 2010 06:11 PM (IHAOQ)
It wasn't a just bunch of Northeastern jerks who wanted to end slavery, it was the rest of the United States.
For what it's worth - Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, and Maryland were slave states, but they decided not to leave the Union. Why, I do not know.
Posted by: Pelayo at June 13, 2010 07:33 PM (QLmzi)
Posted by: Marrion Barry at June 13, 2010 07:35 PM (7FgWm)
The polling says that that 82 percent never heard of Rawls, 14 percent know but don't approve, 5 percent know and approve. (Obviously there's some rounding being done.)
So wouldn't you expect Greene to get 41+14 and Rawls to get 41 +5? In other words, polls predict a 55-46 victory for Greene. That's pretty much what happened.
And if you look at the poll, the 5 -14-82 favorability was among all voters. Among liberals and moderates even more were unfavorably disposed towards Rawls. So given that these people are more likely to be voting in the Democratic primary, the margin you'd expect for Greene would be slightly bigger.
Posted by: schizoid at June 13, 2010 07:42 PM (1sphz)
Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 13, 2010 09:17 PM (CnzT1)
This next speech on the oil he's going to give. This is going to be the cornered rat speech.
Look at the way he's vainly trying to lash out at BP. Like sending that idiot Eric Holder down there. He's dying for anything to point to. "Don't look over here; look over there."
He'll take any distraction from the oil.
Maybe he could treat our friends even worse? Maybe... something. If he could just manufacture a conflaguration in any other area, he could say "look over there" and not feel so hurt and afraid. And cheated. Cheated out of his rightful due, since he's so awesome and all.
This could be a hell of a revealing look at, well, what we've known for quite some time around here. It was a year ago we started talking about the NPD suffering man-child lashing out with a temper tantrum when he started not getting his way--the easy peasy way he's had things float his way all his life.
We have a dysfunctional brat in the White House. He's an ugly soul, and we're not done paying dearly for electing him.
Posted by: Larry Marchant at June 13, 2010 09:26 PM (nzOge)
I hope Alvin weathers the storm, especially since the donks haven't re-thunk being nasty to him. I think that's an ill-advised route to take. Makes them look even worse, adding meanness to the clumsiness. It didn't appear they were going to be able to run him off the very first day or so after the election. It was dumb to continue trying.
Posted by: rdbrewer at June 13, 2010 09:43 PM (nzOge)
In my spare time, I like to pretend I'm a tank.
Posted by: Alvin Greene at June 13, 2010 09:45 PM (nzOge)
From what I've read, Rawls' so-called campaign consisted of robo-calls and emails -- those must have gone to the 14 percent who don't approve.
Posted by: JBean at June 13, 2010 10:16 PM (SD1Pb)
Those scumbags are either ignorant of the forces at play in these issues or they really want a tribal war .
Option b.
Posted by: baldilocks at June 13, 2010 10:34 PM (owBaW)
Posted by: bill-tb at June 13, 2010 11:39 PM (y+QfZ)
Posted by: newageblues at June 14, 2010 03:20 AM (V2W7v)
don't you be hatin' on da Alvin, newage!!! You sounds jes like dat uptight mama causin me all dose troubles. She got it in for me jes like you, jes cuz you all be hatin on a poor black man for makin sumpin of hisself.
Say, wanna see my photo album?
Posted by: Alvin Greene at June 14, 2010 04:15 AM (T1boi)
Quite the little hate filled site you have here.
Troll! Quick, we've got a troll! Sewageblues, we've got something from Dick Cheney we're going to introduce you to...you seem like the kind of character who will like it...a lot.
Posted by: mac at June 14, 2010 04:40 AM (CzB/V)
Posted by: newageblues at June 14, 2010 07:20 AM (V2W7v)
Yeah we like it a lot, fuckhead; it's not a public toilet of monosyllabic utterances of braindead feelings like Kos though, so I can see why you wouldn't feel comfortable. Be sure to close the door on your way out and please continue to be a stranger in the future.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 14, 2010 05:21 AM (naZzF)
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Posted by: kansas at June 14, 2010 09:25 AM (mka2b)
That was hilarious!
President Bush is very much loved in Africa. Africans believe their lying eyes and less empty stomachs rather than what they're fed by our media.
Posted by: baldilocks at June 14, 2010 10:05 AM (owBaW)
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