1 It's getting to be real tough to be proud of our country these days.

2 tipping point is a-coming..keep your powder dry.

3
Double Jeopardy is a bitch.

4 Based on the testimony, I don't see how they could do better. Then again, if they were to bring charges against him, it wouldn't be for murder, it would be for violating his civil rights. And thats a whole different standard. The jury got it right. The system worked. The system working does not always mean people will be happy with the outcome.

5 This DOJ is like the old saying about elections in tyrannies. Just keep retrying the case until you get it right. And these ratfuckers have the nerve to lecture us about nullification.

6
Show trials have always been popular with the left.

7 I suppose if the case is merely "reviewed," and then the Justice Department finds that the shooting was just as the jury called it... What's the likelihood of that happening?

8 And Mehserle would not be saved by double jeopardy from the Feds, only the State of California.

9 I can't wait to see Holder frog marched out of the front door of the DOJ building next year.

10 When Obama was elected I said that he would set race relations back decades in this country. I may have underestimated.

11 Double Jeopardy is a bitch.

Technically there are two sovereigns - the State of California and the United States.  I assume they mean to file some kind of deprivation of civil rights case - not a second murder case - anyhow.

12

But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves.

ITYM "race hate is like catnip to these guys".

13 I'm seriously wondering if our government is trying to start a race war

14 When someone's lying face-down on the ground and you shoot them in the back, it's NOT involuntary manslaughter.

15 He shot a handcuffed guy in the back and is getting off way too easy, but he got his trial and the jury has spoken.

16 Back in the day a friend of mine went off on the Cops/Rodney King Verdict of "Not Guility"

After he finished his rant I asked if he knew what the cops were charged with.

He didn't

They were charged with Attempted Murder, not "Beating the Hell Out of A Guy Unnecessarily".  And, BECAUSE they were charged with Attempted Murder the jury found the cops did not set out to kill Rodney

"Oh."

17 Specific reason that the Police Department I worked with (with not for, I was not and am not a cop) were required to carry the Taser on the opposite side from the sidearm, and deploy it from a cross draw with the strong hand. makes this kind of accident much harder. And this was when they first adopted Tasers about ten years ago.

18 Remember that in the Rodney King fiasco the cops were tried twice, in the last instance by the feds, IIRC.

19 Double Jeopardy is a bitch.

Exactly, unfortunately SCOTUS has lost that portion of the Constitution along with the 14th amendment dealing with equal justice in this BS hate crime crap. 

20 I believe that in many ways, Eric Holder remains a racist coward.

21
We have a Civil fucking Rights Division in our DOJ?

What happened to blind justice?

Cocksuckers, all of them.

22 It's getting to be real tough to be proud of our country WHITE these days. FIFY

23 I'm seriously wondering if our government is trying to start a race war

Posted by: suqyq at July 09, 2010 12:14 PM (nLx2P)

What's there to wonder?  They're making it very clear.  This has been the Weather Underground's goal for decades.

24 Because the cop is white and because the jury "only" found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter and didn't immediately sentence him to be drawn, quartered, and burned at the stake after being torn apart by wild dogs they were obviously racially intimidated somehow.

People having to walk past club-wielding Black Panthers to vote, well not so much.

Such is life in Holder's Mockery of Justice Dept.

25 I hope Megyn Kelly covers this.

26 They were charged with Attempted Murder, not "Beating the Hell Out of A Guy Unnecessarily".  And, BECAUSE they were charged with Attempted Murder the jury found the cops did not set out to kill Rodney

We got those bastards eventually, though.

27 wow Ace already posted more posts today than an average day

what if the black guy had been the shooter? still a federal case in Holder's only black victims justice world?

28 It's getting to be real tough to be proud of our country WHITE these days. FIFY

29 It's not that any of us ever partook of the racism or slave holdery of the past, but we bear the sins of our fathers. We will pay for their sins.

30 Helter Skelter !

31 No, no, no. There are NOT two sovereigns. There is one choice on who tries a crime. One. One jurisdiction. As in, NO FREAKING DOUBLE JEOPARDY. Unless you think it's hunky-dorey to try someone in city court, state court, federal court, and, what the hell, military court. I mean, everyone gets a crack at it, right? Because .... why? JEOPARDY WAS ATTACHED. He was at risk of his life. That's all that counts.

That was undone in the Rodney King thing because the "wrong" verdict was returned against white people. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

This is EVIL.

32

"But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves."

I love that line...

33 Cracker, please.

34

Zero only backs loser causes.  Get a load of how the Keep Arizona Safe fund is doing. After $500K in donations, AP finally gets that Americans want the border enforced.

http://tinyurl.com/2adhqvp

 

35 So, we refuse to prosecute slam-dunk cases of voter intimidation by African-Americans, but we have to "review" a case of a white officer already convicted for involuntary manslaughter?  Okay, I get it now. 

This country is doomed.

36

But race is like catnip cocaine to these guys. They can't help themselves.

Fixed it for Obama and his friends.

37 Greetings: Likewise, I'm sure, there's no media or governmental interest in establishing how the prosecuting attorneys determined that charges of first-degree or second-degree murder were appropriate. What did they see as establishing pre-meditation on Meserle's part? Or even wanting to kill Grant? The judge threw out the first-degree murder charge before the case went to the jury. Were Meserle's rights violated in the chargings? Who's going to investigate that?

38 I thought he was not guilty of murder cause I am distrustful of Obama's middle name.

39
re: the story on the sidebar...

Nixon was never impeached.

40

Eric Holder To "Review" BART Shooting

He's reviewing the shooting.  I feel better already.

41 I'm seriously wondering if our government is trying to start a race war

Posted by: suqyq at July 09, 2010 12:14 PM (nLx2P)

I believe it's called "divide and conquer".......

42 Holder is a racist piece of shit. These bigots are going to start a race war and they will pay with their lives.

43

I love it.  The federal government makes the dumbest and most ridiculous "supremacy" argument against Arizona, but now they are looking to impose double jeopardy on a guy because the state didn't put him away long enough for them.  And that is for a trial that the feds were not even part of, but just looking in on.

This is why people hate lawyers.

44 You know, one misstep I never thought the Obama Administration would make was a determination to insert itself into high-profile racially-charged situations (and to pander to his community activist sort of radical buddies). I just thought he was smarter than that.

Why, exactly?

45 I'm just wondering what kind of a pardon list we're going to see on Obama's last day in office.  I bet it's going to make Clinton look saintly.

46

race is like catnip to these guys

QOTD.

[Quote of the Day.]

 

47 So if Barry loses in 2012 will Holder "review" the election results and determine that they violated Barry civil rights and declare the election invalid?

48 The next Conservative President should launch a full investigation into Holder after he's fired  and charge him with civil rights violations and abuse of power. Then let the public beat him to death.

49 Oh well, considering some of the comments on last night's verdict post, some people here are probably really happy with Holder's decision.

50 Ace, I don't understand your credulousness about this at all. Why do you insist that it was some wacky mistake? Watch the video again. He pulls out a gun and shoots a man in the back lying prone on the ground. I don't pretend to know why he'd do such a thing. Only that it is an empirical fact that he DID. There was nothing "involuntary" about it, outside of suffering some bizarrely specific seizure. Again, I ask if anybody actually believes that this would have been the result for anyone other than a cop. If I shot a man in lying on the ground in the back, and tried to claim later that I was totes reaching for my cell phone (which is the same color as my gun and also kept in my pocket) to snap a picture, do you actually think that would fly? I love ya' Ace, but you're off the reservation on this one.

51 BTW, today is the anniversary of your 14th Amendment. Enjoy.

52

>>> But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves.

= Cocaine is one helluva drug.

53 I voted not guilty on murder charges because I am bitter and I cling to my hatred of people that don't look like me. I also like guns.

54 This business will get out of control,
and we'll be lucky to live through it.

55
it's the Department of Social Justice

56 I just thought he was smarter than that.

Obama doesn't seem to be, consciously. But at least one of the people who direct him is a damn genius.

Remember your first reaction on this? You thought the sentence seemed light. What pushed your position toward what seems to be the not-Obama position (though he hasn't openly taken one)?

Don't rationalize. Think about what actually happened. There are people whose side you didn't want to be caught on (from race-baiting Democrats to looting "anarchists" to outright cop-haters like me), so you left it. The point of all Obama admin "missteps" is to make the people split hard from each other.

By the end of the DOJ inquiry, every moron is going to sound like some Hot Air commenter blaming the black guy for thinking it's not every cop's job to execute him on sight.

This shit works.

57
After a review of the case by the Justice Department, the EPA says they will review the case for violations of the Clean Air Act, focusing on the toxic gases released when Mehserle discharged his weapon. A spokesman for the IRS said investigators are forecasting the lifetime potential loss of Grant's tax revenue Mehserle has cost the agency and may place a lien against him for that estimated amount. Several other Federal agencies are looking into what they can do to help the country  with some post racial healing.

58 Racial tension is where they get their power, it's rooted in their ideological core.

Fuck em.

59 When this first happened my thought was,why the hell do we have armed BART police? How many little government police forces and jurisdictions do we actually have? I like how the rioters, so disenchanted with the decision, broke into a Foot Locker, of all places, for new shoes.

60 I'm just wondering what kind of a pardon list we're going to see on Obama's last day in office. I would have sneered at a prediction that Barry would pardon Mumia when he leaves office. But you know, it's beginning to sound plausible...

61

 Eric Holder To "Review" BART Shooting

DOH!! What did that rotten kid of mine do now??

 

62

I wonder about all those well-meaning useful idiots who took a chance on voting for a black man for president to demonstrate their open-minded bona fides, without looking closely at the rest of the package.  Think they'll ever vote for another one after getting burned by a socialist, race-baiting incompetent like Obama?

63 I guess some days it just doesn't pay to be a cracker.

64 I voted not guilty on murder charges because Obama doesn't look like the other faces on my dollar bills.

65 55 Oh well, considering some of the comments on last night's verdict post, some people here are probably really happy with Holder's decision. Actually, as insane as the verdict was, I find the increasing use of Federal statutes to allow prosecutors to "double dip" when trials end in the "wrong" way to be very disturbing.

66 I HATE ME SOME CRACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

67 Holder is smart like Obama.

68 I like how the rioters, so disenchanted with the decision, broke into a Foot Locker, of all places, for new shoes. Clearly, the root cause of urban unrest and despair leading to violence and mayhem among our oppressed minority groups is a lack of proper footwear. The federal government must, ah, step in to provide what the free market and its injustices cannot.

69 Hey, I just saw on my KIN that LeBron is going to Miami! Those who say, uhh, umm, errr... Whatever. Another Copenhagen for me, saying he should stay in Cleveland.

70

This guy hates crackers too.

71 Typical black person.

72 Holder is an asset to our side. Every day that clown alienates more voters. He is manna from Heaven.

73 They may as well rename the Department of Justice to the Department of Black Justice.

Why not?  The  EEOC went that route decades ago.

74 On Tuesday, a jury of seven whites, four Hispanics, one East Indian -- and no blacks -- was selected to hear the case against former Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer Johannes Mehserle, according to KTVU-TV.
I bet you it was the East Indian's fault!

75

You know, one misstep I never thought the Obama Administration would make was a determination to insert itself into high-profile racially-charged situations (and to pander to his community activist sort of radical buddies). I just thought he was smarter than that.

Then you haven't been paying attention.  Fomenting racial animus is one of the foundations of The Precedent's intentions and he has been trying to threaten the US with stoking racial strife ever since he got in.

The Precedent WANTS race riots in this country.  Every single thing he has ever done has dmonstrated exactly that.  I don't know where you got the idea that The Precedent had anything else in mind.  Perhaps you still don't really understand what he wants to do to this nation?

76

what if the black guy had been the shooter? still a federal case in Holder's only black victims justice world?

Strangely enough probably so as long as the victim is a minority and the shooter is a cop.  In the very bizarre and twisted  world of racial politics being a cop seems to make you "white" for the purposes of such a determination.

77 Actually, as insane as the verdict was, I find the increasing use of Federal statutes to allow prosecutors to "double dip" when trials end in the "wrong" way to be very disturbing.

The man was convicted and the jury decided he was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.  People will agree with that verdict and others won't.  Judges and juries make bad decisions all the time - O.J. Simpson comes to mind.  It's not like this is the first time it has happened, but the officer was convicted!

I am not sticking up for the officer, but I can see the (understandable) outrage if he was set free or given probation.  I am just sticking for the thousands of my fellow good cops out there who were savaged here last night because of their chosen profession.

78

On Tuesday, a jury of seven whites, four Hispanics, one East Indian -- and no blacks -- was selected to hear the case against former Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer Johannes Mehserle

Aren't East Indians pretty much black?

79

You keep saying you think Obama is smarter than that ...   I'm not sure the word means what you think it means in this instance ...  

On top of that I believe Obama "acts" like he is smart and has all the trappings of smart ...   but underneath it all he is simply another ignorant liberal ...  I'm sure he has the brain cells to be intelligent but like the old saying goes, "Garbage in Garbage Out" ...

He has been fed and continues to feed himself nothing but liberal theories and continues to ignore any facts that run counter to those beliefs ... 

 

80 Beck hit it on the head this morning:  Does anyone else get the feeling that the Obama Justice Department is all about getting even?  We're going back to the 1950s, and the races are reversed.

81

Posted by: RushBabe at July 09, 2010 12:21 PM (W8m8i)

That AZ defense fund, can you donate if you are not an AZ resident?

82 Kill all da jurors babies!!

83

And here comes the idiot troll taking a shit right in the middle of the thread......

Well done Barbarian ya fucking idiot.

84 A "community organizer" can't stay away from 'the race card'.

Holder is contemptible.  And that's being polite.  He may yet get his national discussion on race, and he's not going to like the results.

85 Oil spill? What fukkin' oil spill?

86

Aren't East Indians pretty much black?

Posted by: Damn Skippy at July 09, 2010 12:40 PM (VDgKF)

You know, that brings to mind a really funny Fawlty Towers clip...

87

Please, asswipes, I beg you, follow up on this.

Because if there is one thing this country loves it's a flaming racial tensions. That works out well for you libs.

Ex. A: Skippy Gates.

And right before the election!! Smooth move Ex-Lax.

 

88 Since it's all about race now does anyone know the racial diversity (*shivers*) of the jury?

89 Since when did Civil Rights only apply to blacks?


January 20, 2009

90 I thought east indians were black but who knows maybe they mean ordinary garden variety American black.  Is it possible they didn't want blacks on the jury cause maybe they would not have been as tough on the cop?

91 People will agree with that verdict and others won't.  Judges and juries make bad decisions all the time - O.J. Simpson comes to mind.  It's not like this is the first time it has happened, but the officer was convicted!

Yeah, OJ was guilty as hell as well, but I was against the double jeopardy in his case also and spoke out against it.

The idiots filed the charges in the wrong district. They should have filed where the crime took place, instead they filed in downtown LA and got a case of jury nullification.

92 90 ...We're going back to the 1950s, and the races are reversed.

You have never lived in or around Atlanta have you?

93

From Todd Gaziano, Congressional appointee to  the United States Commission on Civil Rights, in an interview regarding the New Black Panther case:

"Obama's Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes ordered, “Never bring another lawsuit against a black or other national minority,  no matter what they do."

The Novemeber elections could get kind of exciting

94

What's there to wonder?  They're making it very clear.  This has been the Weather Underground's goal for decades.

Posted by: Editor at July 09, 2010 12:18 PM (pUfK9)

Ayers has been spanking it to this for decades

95 So all the twat cop-haters on yesterday's thread can feel all good about themselves.

96 Atlanta has an awful lot of filthy rich educated people.

97 Taking grievance mongering to unprecedented..almost, Palestinian...levels.  The Obama Regime.

98 ... a jury of seven whites, four Hispanics, one East Indian -- and no blacks ... Isn't it curious that the defense and prosecution agreed that these jurors, of all races, could be impartial? And the media, by playing up this angle, agrees.

99 105 So all the twat cop-haters on yesterday's thread can feel all good about themselves.

I hate myself, so do I count? 

100 @103 If this stuff doesn't wake up the people, then they are in a permanent coma.

101
A "community organizer" can't stay away from 'the race card'.

Of course not; it's their bread & butter.
Like I said, Obama is only interested in being president to those who support him and will only pander to enough people to keep him in office. The rest of us can go eat shit, as far as Obama is concerned.

But it's a double-edged sword. Obama's popularity will go down and the Democrats in Congress will run from him in 2012.

102

the Indian Americans I know are pretty Independent, many are pretty conservative when it comes fiscal and defense and indiv rights issues.

I work with a couple in my business, and they are pretty livid about all this communitty organizer's nonsense.

and yep, they look black. I asked them about this whole Black Panthers thing, and they said the same thing Beck said, its like Holder wants social justice not equal justice. and these are non-whites.

Holder must be pretty stupid to not even realise how completely out of touch he looks increasingly to most non-black minorities.

103
Dear Mr. Hussein

Careful on that crossing the populace thingy.....  push them too far and you get your world view turned upside down......literally upside down..

104 Again, I ask if anybody actually believes that this would have been the result for anyone other than a cop. If I shot a man in lying on the ground in the back, and tried to claim later that I was totes reaching for my cell phone (which is the same color as my gun and also kept in my pocket) to snap a picture, do you actually think that would fly? I love ya' Ace, but you're off the reservation on this one.

The difference is that Cops are expected to interdict into hostile situations. Civilians are expected to try and avoid them. This makes proof of intent very hard. I wasn't at the trial, neither were you. You got to see the most damning piece of evidence and did not have the benefit of listening to the defense lay out argument and testimony. After only a few hours of deliberation the jury was convinced murder was not appropriate. You can play the arm chair all you want. But ultimately it comes down to one question. Is it reasonable to say he might have been going for his TASER?  If yes then manslaughter is appropriate.

Beyond reasonable doubt, that is the standard of evidence in this country, it results in many not getting the punishment they deserve, but prevents many from getting punishment they don't deserve. Under normal circumstances, a regular person placing themselves in that situation voluntarily is proof of intent. For a Cop who's job is upholding the law, proof of intent beyond reasonable doubt is much more difficult.

105

"Obama's Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes ordered, “Never bring another lawsuit against a black or other national minority,  no matter what they do."

Julie Fernandes should this latino racist should be publicly hanged.

Dear God I'm ready to get to the fighting and hanging.

106 Since when did Civil Rights only apply to blacks?


January 20, 2009

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2010 12:44 PM (Tz7Vn)

Actually, federal "civil rights" only ever applied to blacks (and other minorities).  This was from the very beginning, through all of the insane court cases where we learned that racial affirmative action quotas weren't quotas and that purely race-based affirmative action wasn't race-based.

The difference since the Indonesian Imbecile slimed into office is that now we have a true enemy of America (and the West) running our Executive and it is now official US policy that whitey is the devil and that the federal government is built to help everyone who isn't white while it crushes our nation into the ground.

The US chose Suicide by Indonesian on Nov 4th, 2008, and now we are experiencing the process.  Don't worry, it'll be over soon.

107

Since when did Civil Rights only apply to blacks?

Since Obama got elected and appointed a bunch of corrupt libertard reprobates to run things over at the DOJ.

 

108

>>> You have never lived in or around Atlanta have you?

Is there a lot of to use your words "Typical black" people there asshole?

109

That AZ defense fund, can you donate if you are not an AZ resident?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 09, 2010 12:41 PM (ACkhT)

Yes.  I did yesterday.  And the article talks about most of the money coming from out of state.

110

And right before the election!! Smooth move Ex-Lax.

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 09, 2010 12:44 PM (pLTLS)

Wow.  Lacey bringing out the 1980's Goonies style insults.  She must be serious.

111 I think Holder may be able to get Zero under that -22 support. We will see...

112 I'm just wondering what kind of a pardon list we're going to see on Obama's last day in office. Let's just say that Detroit might get repopulated... Zero-sum, baby. I won, you lose.

113

Police are not robots. People make mistakes. I worked for a power company and one of the lineman, with 15 years experience, was up a pole testing a transformer, like he'd done 1000's of times. He determined it was bad and told his groundman they would change it. He reached around the pole to get a better position and he forgot for a split second that it was still connected. 7200 volts blew him off the pole. He lost a thumb and part of his foot. In this case, he paid for his mistake, not someone else like the shooting, but they both carry the same gravity - life may be lost with a simple brain fart.

He got a fair trial, and probably got more punishment due to fear in the jury of another riot. Maybe HIS civil rights were violated because of that fear of rioting by the jurors.

114 The US chose Suicide by Indonesian on Nov 4th, 2008, and now we are experiencing the process.  Don't worry, it'll be over soon.

Jaysus, dood. Reading this, you make me want to grab the Lady Bic.

Will.Not.Submit.

115 doesn't the AG do stuff the prez asks him to do?  Sort of with the blessing of the prez?

116 Wow.  Lacey bringing out the 1980's Goonies style insults.  She must be serious.

Whoa......Leave Lacy alone......

Sit on it Pottsie......

117 96% of blacks voted for Obama

Almost 90% still approve of him.

I'm having a lot of trouble ignoring these numbers when it comes to my general impression of the American black population.

Because, basically, this suggests that 90% of blacks wishes ill upon me and my family. At the very minimum, they want Obama to use the power and force of government to reach into my pocket and steal from me.

At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with.

118

Let's be honest too.  This guy was a BART officer, not a cop-cop.  More like a security guard.  I suspect it is easier to use cop and conjure up the required images that pertain to race relations using the word cop than to call him a security guard for BART.

Wasn't attempting tobe dishonest in any way, but do you really think most people hearing the story will even make that distinction?

119 127 doesn't the AG do stuff the prez asks him to do?  Sort of with the blessing of the prez?

Yes.  Holder does nothing without upward approval.

120 When did we pick up the racist troll?

121

Wasn't attempting tobe dishonest in any way, but do you really think most people hearing the story will even make that distinction?

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 09, 2010 12:56 PM (e8T35)

Nope.  The narrative is white guy shoots unarmed black guy.

Posted by: CDR M at July 09, 2010 12:57 PM (5I8G0)

And baby needs anew pair of shoes.

122

Wow.  Lacey bringing out the 1980's Goonies style insults.  She must be serious.

Up your nose wit a rubba hose.

123 Fuck that race hustling pimp Holder. In the ass, sideways, with a fresh pineapple.

124 These guys walk around all alone, no partner right?  And in a uniform......

I don't know how they aren't scared crapless their entire shift...

125

>>> When did we pick up the racist troll?

Good to see I'm not the only one who noticed.

126 Eric Holder makes Janet "Waco" Reno look good.

127

56 Ace, I don't understand your credulousness about this at all. Why do you insist that it was some wacky mistake? Watch the video again. He pulls out a gun and shoots a man in the back lying prone on the ground.

          True as far as it goes.  The questions are: did the cop intend to shoot the man. What did the cop think he was doing when he shot the man.

I don't pretend to know why he'd do such a thing.

          The trial was aimed at answering that question, even if you will not.

Only that it is an empirical fact that he DID. There was nothing "involuntary" about it, outside of suffering some bizarrely specific seizure.

        People kill people in car accidents when they drive drunk.   They generally are charged with manslaughter, not murder, because they didn't intend to kill anyone, but acted negligently in driving under the influence.
The case is different if you get drunk and run down your Old Lady because she's been shtupping out on you.

If a man accidentally discharges a firearm and kills a kid, he is generally charged with manslaughter, not murder, for the same reason.  He perhaps acted negligently, but he didn't intend to kill anyone.

Again, I ask if anybody actually believes that this would have been the result for anyone other than a cop.

       Irrelevant. How many people other than cops have the power to arrest and handcuff you, and carry pistols and tasers to help enforce that power ?

 If I shot a man in lying on the ground in the back, and tried to claim later that I was totes reaching for my cell phone (which is the same color as my gun and also kept in my pocket) to snap a picture, do you actually think that would fly?

     But your hypothetical has nothing to do with the FACTS of the case.   YOU don't have arrest power, and you were not engaged in effecting an arrest.

I love ya' Ace, but you're off the reservation on this one.

     No he's not.  He's addressing the matter seriously, as did the court and jury.

128 When did we pick up the racist troll?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 09, 2010 12:58 PM (0q2P7)

For the first time in my life, I am truly feeling racial resentment.  Thank God for Thomas Sowell, Justice Thomas, Walter Williams and other courageous blacks to help me remember that this racial resentment is just another way that government/media/socialist conspiracy is trying to control and to suppress us.

129 96% of blacks voted for Obama

Almost 90% still approve of him.

I'm having a lot of trouble ignoring these numbers when it comes to my general impression of the American black population.

Because, basically, this suggests that 90% of blacks wishes ill upon me and my family. At the very minimum, they want Obama to use the power and force of government to reach into my pocket and steal from me.

At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with.

Warden - I like you dude but this seems like a pretty broad brush despite the % you site.  Fact is there are peolpe of every color and stripe that want obama to do the things that your mention here. 

130

Ace, I don't understand your credulousness about this at all. Why do you insist that it was some wacky mistake? Watch the video again. He pulls out a gun and shoots a man in the back lying prone on the ground.

effinayright- Our justice system is based on intent, not outcome.  We've evolved beyond Hammurabi's Code. 

131 It is an inescapable fact that most Blacks support Zero and Holder in this. Most blacks cannot take race out of the picture for any situation. Race rules their lives, thinking, and actions. They raise their children to think the same way., with the help of America hating leftists who look down on them, and use them to their own ends. That's just the way it is.

132 96% of blacks voted for Obama

Almost 90% still approve of him.

I'm having a lot of trouble ignoring these numbers when it comes to my general impression of the American black population.

Well that probably means a bunch of things, many of them not good. But that one person in ten deserves to be judged not by the statistics of a particular demographic that they fall into, rather without prejudice from the content of their character. You can't form an opinion about a group without prejudging the man, their really isn't any other reason to form such an opinion of a group, unless you like to play Exploitative Identity Politics _{(From DNC Board Games Inc.)} To stop racism, first, you must be committed to not participate in it. Then you work on others.

133 Hmmm.... This wouldn't be the same "Justice Department" that let's billy club wielding Black Panthers intimidate voters at polling stations at will, is it?

134

Does anyone remember that Bill Ayers wanted to put Americans in camps during the sixties while he took over the country?

How many also remember that he was going to do it by using America's racist past as his motivation?

135 If blacks and minorities will not be prosecuted for victimizing whites then whites need to resort to vigilante justice.

Holders home address should be posted. Let people go there and give this miserable piece of shit a piece of their mind.

136 138 There are certain BART stations you would never want to be in at night. And this was back in the 80's! Posted by: CDR M at July 09, 2010 01:01 PM (5I8G0) RAAAAAACIST!!!!

137

That AZ defense fund, can you donate if you are not an AZ resident?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 09, 2010 12:41 PM (ACkhT)

John, I see Editor already answered.  I'll bet that AZ is tickled to get all the help they can.  Good on you and Editor!

138

This guy Holder is a nearly perfect AG for our radical socialist race hustling President.  They will be gone soon enough.  It is important to remember who put them in power, however, and to be thinking about ways to make a break from those people who will be around to repeat the same horrible mistakes long after Maobama and Holder are gone.

And remember these GOP Senators who voted for Holder, some proudly:  Alexander, Bennett, Bond, Chambliss, Collins, Corker, Graham, Grassly, Gregg, Hatch, Isaakson, Kyle, Lugar, McCain, Murkowski, Sessions, Snow, Voinovich.  Some of these guys are on their way out.  The rest, except Sessions perhaps, should be forced out.

139 At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with. They may pre-occupy the public consciousness, but there aren't that many blacks in the US. 52% of the nation voted to seek retribution from you (they themselves are kind of exempt) for grievances you had nothing to do with.

140 Interesting that some people think "race" problem and other people are writing about "class" problems.

like the poor hating the rich not the blacks hating the whites.

why are they trying to start these kinds of problems anyway?

141

Question: how does all of this (from the incident through to this "looking into" by the DOJ) affect the future of law enforcement in this country (or at least Oakland and other urban areas?).

I think back to what happened to my godfather, and it certainly didn't help relations between the cops and that community -- I think public relations between the cops and the public works both ways (same to a certain extent as it does with the military).

...and yeah, I am kinda calling on all those who went off with the "all cops suck, and I hate them" vents last night (I'm not saying you don't have your reasons for your opinions, but...)

142 Holder's home address?  I'm sure the numbers are 773H.

143
At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with.

I was thinking today about where they get these silly notions. It comes from white people (mostly on campuses) who keep saying shit like "we stole the land from the Indians" and "we owned blacks as slaves."

Well, I didn't steal any land from no Indian and I never owned any slaves, muthafucka. This shit happened centuries ago...to people who are long dead...by people who are long dead.

Enough already. And you know what? I don't feel guilty. Not one bit. I had nothing to do with it. And there's a single muthafuckin Indian alive or black person alive today who's a victim, or is even the son or daughter of a victim of that shit.

144
How many casinos do we owe these fucking fake Indians, anyway?

145

Just happened to notice on the news twice in the past two days that Eric Holder is viciously going after Arizona's Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpaio, on contrived and bogus charges.

It's beginning to look like Obama and his thugs like Holder have declared war on white people, and on an ever expanding variety of fronts. We've got a madman in the White House and another one headsing up the DOJ. History shows us that it was predictable.

 

146 Holders home address should be posted. Let people go there and give this miserable piece of shit a piece of their mind.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at July 09, 2010 01:09 PM (BedzM)

Hmmmm, what an interesting comment, considering SEIU knew exactly where to draw the line when they mobbed the Bank of America exec's home.  It was pointed out that they didn't do anything illegal.  Apparently, certain speech codes exist as well as the obvious no-no of touching the homeowner.  You never know what those racist Teabaggers might do.

147 How many casinos do we owe these fucking fake Indians, anyway? Posted by: I pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 01:14 PM (uFokq) They are sicilian indians and if ya ever want to walk again on those knees I'd shutta up ya mouth! /

148

MikeTheMoose at July 09, 2010 01:08 PM (0q2P7)

Well done - you did a much better job on that than I did.

149 >>why are they trying to start these kinds of problems anyway? Read Cloward Piven and all shall be answered. There really is no mystery to what Obama is doing. The only mystery is that more people aren't paying attention.

150
I don't owe some muthafucka whose family emigrated here from Nigeria in 1965 a muthafuckin thing.

Or Haiti. Or Anywhere.

151 Bammy is just doing what Clinton did to the Rodney King (what is the right word here? assailants? subduers? educators? ok, I'll go with that) educators when they were aquited and rioting started.

He does not want riots, and can not face that the rioters are wrong and should be "educated" themselves, so instead he gives their community a special justice.

This is what it is like to be ruled by the black man, cracker!

152 Warden - I like you dude but this seems like a pretty broad brush despite the % you site.  Fact is there are peolpe of every color and stripe that want obama to do the things that your mention here. 

Posted by: Sharp Knives and Loud Guns at July 09, 2010 01:05 PM (VmUU6)

Warden is just pointing out the dangerous nearly-monolithic nature of the black vote, and that this nearly-monolithic vote supports the most anti-American piece of shit that the US has ever had to contend with.  The fact is that the black vote and huge, insnae black support for the Indonesian Imbecile says quite a bit.  It says that they don't care about the US, so long as "their guy" is running things (into the ground).  That is the fact of the situation.

There are many conclusions that are reasonably drawn from this extremely odd support pattern and you would be making a great mistake to ignore it.  We are talking about people who support the dismantling and destruction of the US - enthusiastically so. 

Of course, this doesn't apply to all American blacks, but 90%+ (steady through all of the incredible shit we've all seen) is a figure that ought to scare anyone, for all of what it means - and none of it is good.

153 Thank you for article

http://www.trsektor.com

154 Posted by: nine coconuts at July 09, 2010 01:17 PM (DHNp4)

The unrban dictionary says that "cracka" is the opposite of the "n" word, so therefore it isn't a nice word, if the "n" word isn't nice then the "c" word isn't nice either and they shouldn't be saying it.  It's wholly incendiary.

155 <i>Hmmmm, what an interesting comment, considering SEIU knew exactly where to draw the line when they mobbed the Bank of America exec's home.</i>

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I have no doubt the union goons that went to the home of the BofA exec did so with the blessing of the Kenyan Klown in the White House. Give them a taste of their own tactics, and turn it up a few notches. Make them fear for their and their families lives. 

156
Take that asshole on the new black panther video. What's he got to do with slavery? Why is he owed reparations from me?

Prove to me when and where he was denied the Pursuit of Happiness.

157 Fair warning: The banhammer is coming out and it will be be permanent with no warning. Any further stormfront chatter about racewars and "paying with their lives" and that crap will get you banned, forever. I am sick of having to avoid these subjects because the racists come out like it's full moon. Go to Stormfront. I am not joking. But their you will find support for your ethos of racewars and extirpating the dark-skinned sin from the country. Like Chris Rock, I am sick of the fucking White Ni88ers of Stormfront fucking everything up for everyone else.

158 It's the damn Jooos again, and their Israeli lobby.

159 effinayright- Our justice system is based on intent, not outcome. We've evolved beyond Hammurabi's Code. I rather think that un-holstering a gun, pointing it at an unarmed man's back, then pulling the trigger says all there is to be said about one's intent.

160 Race is like catnip.

161 Guy face down in the concrete. Knee in his back. Three officers around him -- seems like a perfect time for a taser.  You have to ask when the taser became the solution to every citizen encountered by an officer, and why they don't train anyone who carries a taser that when you stick someone's face in the concrete they are likely to squirm. Maybe it is resisting, maybe it is pain.

Any parent should be shocked at that video.

I feel sorry for the Officer, since I think he really did make a terrible mistake, but if he grabbed the taser instead, I would still think he is wrong. If you do not want to get punched by a resisting cretin, then you should find another profession. Tasers should be a second-to-last resort, not a first resort.

162 Ace, I'll tone it down but the liberal union goons had no problem putting the BofA execs family in fear. They deserve exactly what they dish out.

163 Great Satan will get the first ban, because I warned this fucker yesterday. Goodbye asshole.

164 CTD, good grief, get over it. Tasers have roughly the same shape, weight, and feel of a gun. A guy made a fricking mistake and reached for weapon A instead of weapon B. It was a serious mistake, but it wasn't anything more.

You are really coming off as ignorant and hate-filled, quite honestly.

165 Based on the testimony, I don't see how they could do better. Then again, if they were to bring charges against him, it wouldn't be for murder, it would be for violating his civil rights. And thats a whole different standard.

So you can get around the double jeopardy issues by retrying someone for the exact same crime, just calling it something different? Wow.

166
But it all comes back to Joe Barton, in a way.

This is nothing but a shakedown. And we can't say that because, well, we'd be racists and we'd be forced to apologize!

167 Race is like catnip.

It's a member of the mint family?

168 Fucking ignorant-ass trash. You fucking ARE a cracker. Own it. You're a fucking White Panther.

169

 It says that they don't care about the US, so long as "their guy" is running things (into the ground).  That is the fact of the situation.

We are talking about people who support the dismantling and destruction of the US - enthusiastically so. 

A lot of people are unaware of the damage that obama is doing, again regardless of their race.  We know he's running it into the ground but I believe that most people, regadless of their color are none the wiser.  Do you honestly believe that they are all cheering for this destruction?

 

170 can you please clarify, ace?  Does pointing out that there are those on the left who, at least at one point in time, pushed for "race wars" count as chatter? 

171

Posted by: I pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 01:21 PM (uFokq)

Yeah, the day the government starts paying this zipperheads 'reparations' is the day I quit paying taxes.

They can come suck their reparations out of my German Helmet.

172 I'm just wondering what kind of a pardon list we're going to see on Obama's last day in office.  I bet it's going to make Clinton look saintly.

Posted by: mrkwong at July 09, 2010 12:27 PM (G8Eo0)

Act now, and get a free set of Obama commerative plates with every pardon purchased!

173 186 I'm just wondering what kind of a pardon list we're going to see on Obama's last day in office.  I bet it's going to make Clinton look saintly.

Posted by: mrkwong at July 09, 2010 12:27 PM (G8Eo0)

Act now, and get a free set of Obama commerative plates with every pardon purchased!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2010 01:31 PM (7BU4a)

oh geez, are you saying the prez sells pardons?  seriously?  That is one scary thought.

174

Posted by: RushBabe at July 09, 2010 01:10 PM (W8m8i)

Thanks for that link, I just donated and sent the link to everyone I know, I think they will be donating some money soon as well.

BTW, do you have Jan Brewer's relection donation site?  I see her campaign site, but there is no donation button?

I thought she was running for relection, but is she not accepting any funds?

175 Dictating is harder than I had initially thought.  You can't dictate when you have these rogue juries running around, making their own decisions apart from the accepted Federal structure.

176 Ace you might take a swing at  78 .  He's an asshole.

177 The unrban dictionary says that "cracka" is the opposite of the "n" word, so therefore it isn't a nice word, if the "n" word isn't nice then the "c" word isn't nice either and they shouldn't be saying it.  It's wholly incendiary.

Maybe, but when I am called a cracker I just laugh. It doesn't have any bite for me. Maybe other whites feel different. I think the n word is worse since it makes the callee powerless. How do they respond to that?

I was only quoting the video that seems to be all over fox the past day or so. I quote it because it is hilarious to me. As if bammy is black, or a man.

178 Basically what they are doing is attempting to shore of the black racist vote. But they already have that. All the Republican blacks who aren't racist (which is most if not all of them) have already left the reservation. This kind of maneuver, as with the union handouts, only shores up his base. It never reaches out to moderates or those who can give Zero the magical 50 + 1, which has been the Mediacrats' electoral strategy since Reagan. Far from being a political genius, Zero and Axelgrease are two of the worst strategists in history. Really dumb, even for Marxist-racist-radicals like Holder and Zero.

179 I love that Great Satan and other crackers will whine and bitch that blacks and anarchists are stirring up riots in Oakland as they sit here and pontificate about the need for vigilante justice and some racial reckoning. Because, like, stirring up riots is bad... for blacks. First fuckin' thing out of some stupid fuckin' mouths: "We ought to do some killin'." Every fuckin' time. That's how Smart People show they're passionate about an issue: They start talking up the need to kill people.

180
People now know Obama is a racist.

When Obama stands with the president of Mexico against the American people...

When the Labor Secretary stands with La Raza in prosecuting American business owners...

When Obama does nothing about Hugo Chavez nationalizing stealing American assets...

It's all sinking in, now.

181 What's that stink? Oh: sour grapes. I thought it smelled familiar.

182 It is somewhat amusing to see the government eating one of its own.

183 Hee Hee... Bartle B., a democrat long time celebrated civil rights atty, a RFK campaign manager called the community organizer "a hustler" on Megyn's show.

184
This whole issue has its roots in the sentiment voiced by Begalla yesterday.

Since our hero aint running .... we need a villain to vote against.
.... or words to that effect.

185 this seems like a pretty broad brush despite the % you site.  Fact is there are peolpe of every color and stripe that want obama to do the things that your mention here.

Well, of course.

But there's one group that overwhelmingly supports fucking me over to their perceived advantage.

How long am I to pretend I don't notice?

I'm not leftist. I judge by the man, not by the group he belongs to.

Let me ask you this? What do you think of muslims, generally? Palestinians?

I'm not trying to start shit here, and I know this is a sensitive subject, but am I supposed to ignore the animosity directed toward me (and my whiteness, I guess) from this one group? Is it racist if I notice? Is it racist if it starts to get under my skin a little?

And truthfully, I shouldn't even be asking that question because I'm not using the word racist correctly anyway, which is one of my pet peeves.

186 These sentiments are welcome -- at Stormfront. If that site seems too nasty and too reprehensible for you, tough shit. You won't be permitted to leverage this site's relative respectability into buying some respectability for shit that should be on Stormfront and Prison Planet.

187
hahahaha, I went from being a party purist to a demagogue!

188 Ace or Monty you guy's need to smash this hash pronto - (9UmMU)

189

You should hear the shit about Obama that the Israelis are saying.

They've got him down to a T.

190
198.... Im getting really derelict in my sock management.

191 Ah this is really all sad. Obama, Holder, and the rest of the FAR LEFT in power have ushered in a rather ugly period in American History I fear. And I am afraid things will not improve not matter who is elected in near future. The genie is out of the bottle.

192

195 Monty,

 

yeah he was a gem, basically the guy wants us to silently acquiesce to the donk agenda.  His type refuse to cognate the reality that the current "blue dogs" are CiNOs who gave Frau Botox everything she wanted.  After having met the man in Columbia I got the feeling he was a "ruling is my birthright" Republican....

they are only marginally better than the worst donk.

193 You should hear the shit about Obama that the Israelis are saying.

Care to elaborate? I mean we heard what, nine months ago, that his approval was at a stunning four percent amongst the Israelis. I'd be curious to hear specifics if you have them.

194

Of course, this doesn't apply to all American blacks, but 90%+ (steady through all of the incredible shit we've all seen) is a figure that ought to scare anyone, for all of what it means - and none of it is good.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 09, 2010 01:20 PM (5TNVe)

 

"Scare"?  No, not hardly. Exasperate? Yes. Disappoint? Yes. Desensitize? Definitely.

 

195 barbarian is trying to make a play on the "typical white person" remark. It may look sort of ugly but I get the joke he's going for. I wouldn't have made it myself, but it's not awful. I do not understand why some fucks like "Dead Ender" are so fucking stupid that every single political issue must devolve into a discussion of who'se deys gonna killz with dey gunz. Spare us. Frankly I suspect a lot of these fuckers are the meekest, cowardlest little fuckers on the internet. "SuperMice" -- mice in real life, but give them the anonymity of a chat window and they turn into John Racewar Rambo.

196 they are only marginally better than the worst donk. I'm like my hero Lincoln: I'd rather take my tyranny pure than adulterated with the base alloy of hypocrisy.

197 What's that stink? Oh: sour grapes. I thought it smelled familiar.

Posted by: Monty at July 09, 2010 01:35 PM (4Pleu)

You see Monty, not everyone in SC is a stupid troll like old Folks. Its just too bad that Lindsey Graham is not in a primary this year. He would be gone as well because he is a bigger RINO than Inglis was. 

198

202 Sharp Knives,

Ace warned me or rather I think Ace warned me the other day, I am not a racial bombthrower and have not so far as I know engaged in subtle hints of dark violent thoughts BUT Ace is under a lot of pressure since he wants advertisers unless I miss my guess.  The NBPP gets away with what they do because nobody expects the left to hold them accountable, but any reasonable rightist is responsible for EVERYTHING anyone calling themselves a rightist says.

 

Not a fair rule, but that is the way the GOP has let the game devolve.

 

199 Frankly I suspect a lot of these fuckers are the meekest, cowardlest little fuckers on the internet. It's called G.I.F.T., for Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

200 That's how Smart People show they're passionate about an issue: They start talking up the need to kill people

I'm passionate about every issue.

201

210 Monty,

 

exactly what is being run is a version of three card monty by Progressive GOPers and radDonks.....

you can get your sweet, sweet invasive tyrannical collectivism at 200MPH or 2 MPH by by God you'll take your medicene and like it.

We need to use the RiNOs to stop Ogabe, but when the day comes we need to clean up the caucus one Grahmnesty at a time.

202 I used to think that Obama, Holder, Gibbs and the Gang were just incompetent bumbling dumb shits and that they weren't deliberately trying to fuck up the country and stick it to the man, but this on the heels of the Black Panther fiasco?

203 And let me say this for the last time: Apart from being socially unacceptable as well as evidence of a deranged emotional landscape, this shit is BORING. Yes, we fucking get that some of you want to get out a rifle and kill people every time you getz angries. WE. FUCKING. GET. IT. How many fucking times do you Keyboard Kommando Kaptains have to fucking say so? You think the rest of us are sitting on pins and needles waiting to discover if our more florid, emotional, and racist members feel that this issue (like every other issue) compels them to talk tough about picking up a gun? No. We are not. We know that this issue, like every other fucking issue, so fills you with shrill girlish emotion that you reaction will be, same as usual, "We need a cleansing war." WE. FUCKING. GET. IT. It has been said six thousand times. It is said ten times a day. WE. FUCKING. GET. IT. Enough. It is TEDIOUS to fucking have to hear that Emotionally Deranged SuperMouse Number 57 agrees with Emotionally Dreranged SuperMouse Number 16 that we need some killing. We ASSUME it. Okay? It is assumed. No need to say it. We all know you're going to say it because it's the fucking only thing some are capable of saying. WE. FUCKING. GET. IT. Get it? Got it? Good.

204 Old folks are still fair game, though, right?

205

I bravely stand with ace against race warfare in the US. 

But letting Mr. Kills Crackers run free at the polls in 2012 with potentially more friends is absolutely certain to bring out all kinds of ugly emotions which people suddenly feel justified in having. 

I thought the bright spot in this was looking at the faces of the crowd when he was shouting about killing Crackers.  Not exactly a rousing round of applause, more like a general "WTF?" look.  So it would be a big mistake to think the NBPP speaks for very many people.  Obviously there would be a lot more dead Crackers. 

206 Hey man, you know where I can buy a helmet?

207 This is a hysterical video

208 Again, I think bammy is mostly considering this because (a) riots were feared, and (b) Clinton did it in the 90's under similar circumstances.

Not wanting to defend him, but don't call it racism or reverse justice when most likely his motivation is political expediency and trying not to let rioting occur during his "post racial" presidency.

Yea, it's a bad move, but no worse that what Clinton did and probably he is just trying to do something at this point and not look like a fool with his thumb up his ass as another region falls apart.

209 You know what gets me about the white-supremacist douchebags? They're usually the most scroungy-looking, cave-chested, birdy-armed, busted-teefuses specimens you'll ever run across. Some master race! If that's the master race, put me in league with all the brown people. (Especially the lovely brown ladies with their supple breasts and silky hair and exotic jasmine scent.) I will be like a Viking, driving my ships to new lands. Only in this case my ship is my dong, and the new lands are...well, you get the idea.

210 Ace, maybe you haven't noticed. 

Black is back. 

EVERY problem comes back to race.  Note the NASA guy.  Talks with a Negro dialect. 

Note the WH gate crashers, got in because of the total incompetence of another Negro dialect speaking employee. 

Holder, gee, nothing happened when three thugs with weapons threaten people trying to vote. Nothing here, they spoke with a Negro dialect

This is the most RACIST administration ever.  Why are we surprised?

Works for me!

211 Kimberly Guilfoyle is telling Megyn Kelly right now he should have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

212 Afternoon M&M's,

I just read the entire thread and the best way to make folks happy is food! I've got a 7lb brisket smoking in the smoker w/mesquite, it will be done around 1700hrs, y'all are welcome bring your own beer I won't give you my stash of drink but eat all you want there will be plenty. )

213 I will be like a Viking, driving my ships to new lands. Only in this case my ship is my dong, and the new lands are...well, you get the idea.

Uh, check your harbor.

214 Eric Holder To "Review" BART Shooting

Like he reviewed the Arizona Law?

215 Posted by: ace at July 09, 2010 01:34 PM (9UmMU

Glenn Beck, the white Martin Luther King, has historically stressed peaceful protest always.   He seemed quite alarmed this morning when he was playing all these incendiary comments by all these guys named shabazz that they would someone try to interject themselves into Beck's peaceful end of august protest in DC which seems to be the hottest city on earth these days.  If I was Beck I would be more concerned about heat sroke and having plenty of free cold water.

216 Hint: BART cops are the ones who did not get hired by the better paying local or statewide municipalities. This cop screwed the pooch, big time. It doesn't matter what weapon he intended to discharge, the subject was subdued and yes, he was mouthing off, but that did not merit a tazing, much less in front of hundreds of witnesses, with cameras, where he was guaranteed to be a Youtube superstar. I predict all BART cops will soon be armed with nothing more harmful than pepper spray.

217 I've got a 7lb brisket smoking in the smoker w/mesquite

I thought I told you knock that shit off!!

218 Uh, check your harbor. That's where I bury my pirate treasure.

219

229 Curious,

Just to be perfectly clear, I think the August protest will go fine because I think Mr. "Kill Cracka Kidz" will be up in Philly.  The way to beat the leftoid is at the ballot box.  If/When they make it clear that will not work the way to beat them is through dissidence.  If it goes any further than that I'll be speaking Canadian or Texan.

220 You Morons need our help

221

Does anyone else get the feeling that the Obama Justice Department is all about getting even?  We're going back to the 1950s, and the races are reversed.


Like Plato (through the voice of Socrates) said, when one frees a race that is enslaved, the slaves must come to dominate before they can co-exist.

It's basic human nature.  Retribution is a powerful and inescapable moral force in humanity.

222 Old folks are still fair game, though, right?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 09, 2010 01:45 PM (5aa4z)

Aw Herr; is you coming down on me????

_{Just kiddin'}

223 You know, one misstep I never thought the Obama Administration would make was a determination to insert itself into high-profile racially-charged situations (and to pander to his community activist sort of radical buddies). I just thought he was smarter than that.

But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves.

He's smart enough to know better - no question.  And it's not "catnip" - which I take you to mean as a sort of pleasurable past-time kinda thing.

No - with the Zero crowd, race is the agenda - not an occasional fling.  He's a Marxist - which means open, violent class warfare.  And what better kind of class warfare than race warfare - because, unlike economic issues, Zero can be sure to appeal to his base.  The economy is iffy, because some Blacks are starting to realize that a socialist economy isn't all that great.  But race - that's a sure-starter every time.

224 Why don't you white people get it already? You are guilty of whatever is decided  your guilty of, you'll do what you're told and you'll thank your black master for not slitting your throat.

225 Posted by: s'moron at July 09, 2010 01:51 PM (UaxA0)

dear God, the entire bunch is the product of affirmative action working....all ivy league lawyers or people with ivy league educations....what the hell do they have to be angry about?  

All my black friends were middle class and their mom's sounded just like my mom...."stay away from the bad kids, do your homework, education is the key"....it worked...they all have great educations and great jobs and mommas you do not want to disappoint....

226 Megyn's about to interview Shabazz Fo'Shiznit Shamwow or whatever the hell his name is about the peaceful New Black Panther Party's attitude toward white folks. 
*gets popcorn ready*

227 This thread has become tiresome.....

228 Kimberly Guilfoyle is telling Megyn Kelly right now he should have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 09, 2010 01:47 PM (UOM4

Keep in mind where she comes from; SF, home of the most liberal moonbats on earth.

229
We will have our vengeance on the Roman Empire. What? The Roman Empire is long gone?

Well, we'll just have to force the Italians to compensate us, then. And the Brits. And all the Anglos.

230

Of course, no one can say that they weren't giving fair warning about all of this crap emanting from the White House.  When the actual inauguration has a retarded speaker who muses that ... the world will be better "when white embraces what's right", then I find it amazing that anyone would express any surprise at the total anti-white, race-based nature of this junta.

BTW, I wonder if that sentiment, wishing "when whites will embrace what's right" is bad enough to have someone thrown off of a blog?  Of course, that was during an official Precedential inauguration address .. so ... that's the world we have now.  Yep ... great.

231

235 S'moron,

so reciprocity is a moral good?

 

Not advocating that just making sure that the only remedy to injustice is injustice, in other words after oh let's say 100+ years of reverse racism ffirmitive action quota mongering and defacto wealth theft through cloaked reparations are we then supposed to reexert our majority on the African American or will then and only then the "balances be equal"....

I may have to start writing letters to my great grandkids telling them not to bear grudges and all that if Holder and Ogabe get their way, since I was under the impression growing up that the Constitution and words meant things and "equal was equal" not "equal plus"

232

How many fucking times do you Keyboard Kommando Kaptains have to fucking say so?

I think it's something like 42 times each but i'd have to double check the contract to be certain.

233 Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2010 01:54 PM (/jbAw)

wasn't she married to the mayor or something?  And isn't she of puerto rican decent?  Maybe she feels she has to rabel rouse to fit in with the peeps?

234 Well, we'll just have to force the Italians to compensate us, then. And the Brits. And all the Anglos.

Posted by: the Celts at July 09, 2010 01:54 PM (uFokq)

We're filing bankruptcy.

235 Kittehs

236 207 You should hear the shit about Obama that the Israelis are saying.

Care to elaborate? I mean we heard what, nine months ago, that his approval was at a stunning four percent amongst the Israelis. I'd be curious to hear specifics if you have them.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 09, 2010 01:40 PM (pLTLS)

They don't trust him and Bibi is getting a little backwash for even going back to DC to cover Obama's ass with his fleeing Jewish donors.

Netanyahu is under some kind of impression that saving Obama's ass is somehow good for Israel. Obama's and the Left's defeast in the US is the best thing that could happen for Israel.

When a dumbass like Obama decides that Israel doesn't trust him because of his middle name, the dumb fuck shows how ignorant he is of Israel - easily the most multicultural place that I have ever been to in my life. The streets are filled with blacks, falashas with tsetses, black hat Chassids, modern orthodox blonds with six blond kids, phillipinos, Sudanese, hundreds of Arabs, tattooed hookers, gay surfers, Armenian monks, gorgeous tri-racial IDF girls with Uzis, and about a hundred other "types".

In the Old City, we had lunch (shawarma and pizza, natch) with a black guy from Longview, Texas wearing a UT/Austin t-shirt who is the principal of the largest American high school in Cairo. He was visiting an old friend of his in the Jewish Quarter. He used to teach in Gaza, and he had a lot of interesting info about that area.

For a non-entity putz like Obama to lecture such a nation about "diversity" is comical and an embarrassment to the stupid traitorous fucks who voted for him and his stable of Israel-hating "advisors".

 

 

 

237
@216 Posted by: Old Dad at July 09, 2010 01:45 PM (LBXax)

I think you've got it partially right- Obama, Holder, Gibbs and the Gang are deliberately trying to fuck up the country and stick it to the man.  We're just lucky that they're also incompetent bumbling dumb shits.

238

239 C urious,

as were the minority parents in my impoverished upbringing....

 

if Holder and DoJ's mission is "through the looking glass" I just wish he and giggles'd be open about it....

I think he'd finally start shedding some black support at that point.

239 129, 146, 166 (and related):

The idea that 90% of any group, racial/ethnic or otherwise, would support a candidate for office in modern America is anti-American, much less when they "bitterly cling" to them in the face of glaringly poor performance and outright (serial) duplicity.  It's damned near impossible to get 75% of any group of Americans to support you on anything.  You can't even say that 90% of the GOP wants lower taxes or 90% of the Democrats want us out of Afghanistan.

The near-monolithic black support for Obama is motivated by race, plain and simple, and that kind of shit has no place in American politics.  I'd call it "pushback" racism but for the fact that its 2010 and we still have race-baiters acting like the Bay Area (which elects pols like Pelosi by whacking huge margins) was 1960's Alabama. 

Why is it everyone remembers the "I have a dream" part of the speech then forgets the colorblind society part ? 

The constant turn of the race card is generating nothing but resentment among larger and larger numbers of non-blacks*.  No one's saying anti-black racism has been eradicated, but it's been reduced to the lowest level practically achievable.  It is no longer socially acceptable to sound like Sheets Bird.  Yes, some people still don't get it, but we can't fix 100% of stupid, and letting the Sharptons of the world cash in on every last nitwit's stupidity means we'll never, ever stop having this debate.  Meanwhile anti-white racism has run rampant, unchecked and uncriticized since the 1960's courtesy of the win-at-all-costs, fuck the good of the country Left and their handmaidens of hate in the public school system - which might as well be a madrassa for "hate Amerikkka" bullshit.  If blacks are ever going to be truly assimilated into the melting pot rather than being a permanent grievance class, this has to stop.  It's time the mainstream of American society, white, brown, red, yellow and otherwise called out the John Edwards and Eric Holders  for picking at a very old scab so they can draw one last little bit of blood to suck up.

*Regrettably, that resentment is also encouraging the <5% of us non-blacks who are in fact racist knuckle-draggers to say out loud what that Michael Richards voice in their heads is whispering.  And guess who's going to be wearing their asshattery around their necks courtesy of our friends in the MFM ?  The rest of us on the Right.  For anyone who's crying about the Banhammer, this is why I support Ace for it, even if it may be draconian justice and some may claim it's just buying into the baiters' game.

240

People said that if I voted for John McCain it would set race relations in this country back 50 years and they were right.

241 129 96% of blacks voted for Obama

Almost 90% still approve of him.

I'm having a lot of trouble ignoring these numbers when it comes to my general impression of the American black population.

Because, basically, this suggests that 90% of blacks wishes ill upon me and my family. At the very minimum, they want Obama to use the power and force of government to reach into my pocket and steal from me.

At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with.

I got no problem with this shit, I got 60% of the SC vote cause I have a Negro dialect and some really smoking hot action figures for sale.

Oh, and democrats like accused sex felons.  Really. Barney called me and so did Zombie Ted.

242 Hey, what did I miss...been reading this board all morning...are Stormfront guys posting?  Did not know they were even around anymore.

I saw none of it...

(or was that a preemptive warning?)

243 I have to be truthful here -- and I've brought it up before on this site, but the sight of American blacks standing up and CHEERING that a fellow black got away with cutting the the throat of a his white wife was so goddamned shocking to me that I still almost can't believe that it happened.

Large swaths of American blacks were happy with a murderer getting off. Why? For some bizarre idea of retribution? Settling the score so whitey sees how it feels?

You can't tell me they thought he was innocent. They knew. Most knew. Oh, the glee when that verdict was read. Rooms erupted with cheers.

Ever see the pictures of what OJ did to that woman? He nearly cut her head off with that knife.

And they celebrated after he got away with it. After he murdered two innocent people.

What kind of fucked up group pathology is in play here?

But the frustrating part is that we aren't even allowed to discuss it. We're not even suppose to notice. Or if we are, we're supposed to shrug and say, "Well, a lot of bad shit was done to them. You don't know what it's like."

Yeah, I guess I don't. But I'm not so sure what a 20yr black girl in college has to be so angry about that she jumps up and down and high fives the person next to her when a black man gets away with murdering his white wife and some poor fella who happened to be there in at the wrong time.

But again, the most appalling part is how we're not supposed to talk about it. And even conservatives hang their heads and abide by this unspoken rule -- this bullshit bit of condescending leftist PC. That's just how they are, see?

Yeah? Well who's the fucking racist, then? Me or the people who insist that some groups have to be treated as children rather than adults.

We've been indoctrinated and we don't even know it.

And no, it's not directly relevant today. And no, I'm not looking to have a big fucking discussion about the OJ trial.

Every other group seems to be open to criticism. I'm just sayin', is all.

244 253 Damned sock.

That was meant to respond to 48 with "That's why we hate Eric Holder."

245 wow, Megyn Kelly is good, she just berated the DOJ for hiding behind emails instead of comning on her show and defending their claims they made against the DOJ whistleblower

246 wasn't she married to the mayor or something?  And isn't she of puerto rican decent?

Yeah, I think she was married to Gavin Newsome. I don't know where she was originally born.

247 Stupid cracker azzes! Of course you don't understand what Black Jesus is doing to mend the racial divide,so shaddup and bend over.

248 249 Those are our violent Skandi cousins. Always causing trouble and...look, a butterfly!

249

A nation of cowards, eh? You know, one misstep I never thought the Obama Administration would make was a determination to insert itself into high-profile racially-charged situations (and to pander to his community activist sort of radical buddies). I just thought he was smarter than that.

What gave people the idea he's smart?  Really?  I never thought he was smart.

250

 "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the fatherÂ’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the sonÂ’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

 

251 Its not a surprising really, Obama has never been anything but a community organizer and in the world of community organizing white America is always the adversary.So to Obama the idea of defending the rights of white people is completely alien to his being

252

sven, by "moral force" I mean "pertaining to the inner sense of justice" not that something is "objectively right and proper ethically."

It's just the way societies work.  Until the black population as a whole feels that they have assumed a position of equality (meaning a history of oppression) over the former masters, the agitation for dominance will remain.

BTW, the Celts at July 09, 2010 01:54 PM, they got to rule Rome for a hundred years or so (through teh Goths), and re-took their lands from Roman rule.

The Irish and Scots never really did dominate England, and until recently, in giving them complete control over "their" areas, the Scots and the Irish caused the English more than a few problems. 

253 Effeminate PC conservatism is self-defeating.  It limits us to weak arguments.  The PC rules are rigged against us, we can't win in any meaningful way while abiding by them.  I don't know what kind of "race war" stuff was being said if it's been deleted, and there is definitely a limit to that.  But so many of the morons here are way too eager to play Volunteer Thought Police and make everyone pretend we live in happy-go-lucky PC fantasyland.  Can we please stop playing this holier-than-thou game and accept that some people have different views on certain issues, that they aren't necessarily evil inhuman monsters for having those views, and that it's at least slightly possible that they are right?

254 Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 09, 2010 01:54 PM (5TNVe)

I had a person in a bar tell me (with a straight face, in all seriousness) that BO really didn't take the oath of office at the time he was supposed to take it because astrologically it wasn't a good time which is why he had to take it again with Roberts and they said he did not put his hand on the bible the second time.  They said this like you would say "oh it's going to rain today, like it was common knowledge and what was wrong with me for not knowing all of this and being so misinformed and out of the loop.  I'm telling you, the followers are totally crazy.

255 On July 1 the tanning bed tax went in to effect.

256 I mean, they keep telling us that we need to have some big race discussion, but what's really being pushed is a monologue from one side.

The other side gets to be told what a bunch of bigoted, shithead assholes they are.

Well, two sides to every coin, you know? When are we going to have a real discussion? Never?

Then shut the fuck up and get out of my face. You stay over there and I'll stay over here because obviously we're never going to come to terms.*

^{*Oh, and now I have to put up a bullshit asterisk to remind everyone that I'm speaking generally ... not about personal relationships.}

257 For a non-entity putz like Obama to lecture such a nation about "diversity" is comical and an embarrassment to the stupid traitorous fucks who voted for him and his stable of Israel-hating "advisors".

Actual diversity is Kryptonite for Marxists because there are no divisions to exploit.  Hence, from Obama's point of view, Israel is racist.

258 Large swaths of American blacks were happy with a murderer getting off. Why? For some bizarre idea of retribution? Settling the score so whitey sees how it feels?

You can't tell me they thought he was innocent. They knew. Most knew. Oh, the glee when that verdict was read. Rooms erupted with cheers.

To be fair, I was in a room packed (hundreds) with white college-aged liberals, and the cheers were just as loud and proud and shocking. My blood ran cold.

259 Hurry up, Megyn.  Can't wait for you to bitch-slap that Black Panther.  He'll be hatin' on your cracka butt. 

260 I am still looking for a good goat, Rosie died.

Can you help a brother out?  NASA can you help me, I am a mohmanden!

http://tinyurl.com/36hgf6t

261 ehhh ... I've got somewhere to be.

Carry one.

Monty, you're in charge of putting the worms back in the can.
 kthxbye

262 What is this really about?

Voter Turnout.

Same game Karl Rove played was finding ways to maximize voter turnout, albeit he went about things a hell of a lot differently.

The Arizona lawsuit and the circus they will make out of this are meant to get minorities to either vote democrat or be labeled Uncle Tom.

It's short term politics and we should embrace it.  Don't be agitated, but make sure you do what you can for voter turnout. 

263

"tanning bed tax"

You mean Cracker Tax. 

264 Posted by: TexasJew at July 09, 2010 01:56 PM (8yMvt) Some of Obama's statements to Israel Channel 2 were so incredibley mind numbing dumb. Not only that crack about his middle name, but that all his out reach to the Muslim World was for Israel's good????? And that crap about Jews and Blacks having so much in common?

265 Damn it.  Twenty more minutes till Megyn's smack down.  Shamwow Fo'Shizzle won't know what hit him.

*need more popcorn*

266 I just don't know why we always get dragged into it.

267 250 207 Bibi's between a rock and a hard place there. No matter what Israel does, they will be blamed. If he comes to the table, he'll be seen as too aggressive regardless of what he says. If he did the smart thing and stayed home, of course they'd peg him as an impediment to any Middle East 'peace progress'. It's a lose/lose for him.

If you have any landscape pics, you should post them in the yahoo group if you're on there and get the time!

268
the Celts and their entire culture were pretty much wiped out by the Anglos, no? And then the Romans beat the Anglos and ruled the land now known as England for a while, no?

Or do I have that backwards?

269

96% of blacks voted for Obama

Almost 90% still approve of him.

And even if we take both these numbers as 100% accurate, your still looking at a very small percentage of total population that voted in the last election and a miniscule fraction that were polled on these approval numbers.

If we as conservatives start making such value judgements based on race then we become no better than the liberals who do the same thing.  Conservatives are better than that.

270 Seriously?  Back in the day a lot of people thought Obama was smart.  Some people still think he's smart.  What evidence does anyone have that he is smart?

271

266 S'moron,

I grasp that I am taking your point to its logical conclusion and juxtaposing it with Ace's pique and antipathy towards the counterpush to Ogabe's "domination"....

in point of fact I think this is the last gasp of the professional shitstirrers like $lim $hady $harpton, $uper Je$$e Jack$on, and Chairman $oetoro himself Ogabe will overreach because of his unshakeable faith in his political indestructability and he will wind up trying to buy off "his people" with a disporportionate number of federal contracts and engage in illegal racist behavior without giving the rising Latino class what they feel is their fair share.

Just a matter of time and perception, and I am a patient person.  The Democrats need near unanimity in both the latino and black population coupled with holding onto their white base....

the math doesn't work.

272
anyway, the Celts were enslaved and they dropped their language and everything for the Anglo way of life.

273 Or do I have that backwards?

Posted by: the Celts at July 09, 2010 02:05 PM (uFokq)

Don't forget us!!

274 #274

Holy crap.  Is he part of NASA's Muslim outreach program?  Jeebus.

275 276 Chili:

Agree.  This is all about pandering to the base.  Now all Barry & Eric want for Christmas is a Hispanic victimization case they can flak - or something like a Tipper Gore anti-rock-and-roll crusade to get their precious youth voters off the smack couch and into the voting booths.

276

In November of 2008, many whites voted for a man they beleived transcended race.

Now, it is clear that this administration and Eric Holder, do not transcend race.  In fact, race motivates much of thier conduct and they are not apply the law equally to whites and blacks.  

Once America becomes aware of the Black Panther non-sense, and the disparate treatment of officer Mehserle, I think many white voters will cease support for an adminstration that applying the law unequally.

277
the Danes?

fuck 'em

278 Like Plato (through the voice of Socrates) said, when one frees a race that is enslaved, the slaves must come to dominate before they can co-exist.

It's basic human nature.  Retribution is a powerful and inescapable moral force in humanity.

Posted by: s'moron at July 09, 2010 01:51 PM (UaxA0)

I would just note that this is not the only way to look at the situation.  As with many other modern problems, the Old Testament directly addressed exactly this issue of a freed population.  The Jews were made to walk the Sinai for forty years, in order to give time to get rid of the slave mentality and allow a free generation to grow.  In America, affirmative action (and like policies) didn't allow for anything of this sort and only fed into an idea that retribution be sought - since affirmative action was self-executing retribution that was allowed to pervert and destroy our nation's legal framework in order to buy some emotional satisfaction for whites with weak personalities and emotional difficulties.

And, as the 90%+ black support for the Indonesian imbecile, this is not indicative of racism, exactly.  It's illustrative of a more tribal character (which we also see, to a lesser extent in Jewish voting and policy - though Judaism is, without any question, a tribe and has always had very tribal quatilites).  Tribalism among voting blocs is far more dangerous than mere racism.  And when it is combined with racism, it's deadly ... even though many like to put their heads in the sand and pretend none of it is happening or means anything.

279
Damn it.  Twenty more minutes till Megyn's smack down.  Shamwow Fo'Shizzle won't know what hit him.

*need more popcorn*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 09, 2010 02:04 PM (UOM4

If Obama and Holder are smart they made sure this guy has a handler before he goes on FOX to appear more Carlton from  Fresh Prince complete with argyle sweater than Adolph Pol-Pot Shabazz.

280 keeping this scab open hurts Boxer, why is he doing it? The local Oakland Dims don't need the support - or do they?

281 Personally I think Holder should investigate the high probability of collusion between Wade, Bosh, and Lebron.

282 You can't tell me they thought he was innocent. They knew. Most knew. Oh, the glee when that verdict was read. Rooms erupted with cheers.

To be fair, I was in a room packed (hundreds) with white college-aged liberals, and the cheers were just as loud and proud and shocking. My blood ran cold.

Overhearing conversations among blacks at the time over the cubicle divides the general consensus was that he was "framed".

That was what they hung their hat on because they didn't want to admit it was a pure case of jury nullification.  

283 If you have any landscape pics, you should post them in the yahoo group if you're on there and get the time!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 09, 2010 02:05 PM (pLTLS)

I sure will, lacy!

I have lots of pics of the Golan heights (along with UN soldiers right on the border), the Sea of Gallilee, Jerusalem and great shots of Tel Aviv from a 49th floor view.

284 Man, went to the Dail Mail link at #274 and saw a Kate Gosselin post. Funny how as soon as her show ended her look went from suburban soccer mom to skanky actress wannabe, like the whole soccer mom thing was just a put-on to get her on tv, shocking i know. Those kids are gonna be some screwed up peeps with parents like that.

285 It was a tragic accident, but on the bright side, Oakland has one less thug knocking up women, creating more welfare thugs.

286

Am I the only right winger who thinks 2-4 years for shooting a guy in the back while he is being held down by several other officers is kind of a light sentence?

Believe it or not, that was really hard mistake to make. You'd pretty much have to ignore all of your training to mistake your gun for your taser.

287

effinayright- Our justice system is based on intent, not outcome.  We've evolved beyond Hammurabi's Code. 

***************************

My bad.  I was countering CTD's comments@ 56..  Didn't ID him, though.

  And yes, you are 100% correct.  Better tell CTD.

p.s.  didn't the testimony indicate that the officer said "I'm giong to tase him" just before he fired the shot?  That doesn't "prove" intent, but it's still admissible evidence. (state of mind, spontaneous utterance)

288

I was going to join this discussion earlier, but everything I tried to type came out racist.

Stuff like, "It's a good thing blacks can't be racist because otherwise, Barry and Holder would be looking pretty racist about now."

See!  I can't help myself.

289 Back in the day a lot of people thought Obama was smart.  Some people still think he's smart.  What evidence does anyone have that he is smart?

Anyone who thinks he's smart or post-racial has never at least skimmed Dreams From My Father.  Ayers pulled a fast one there - he assumed it'd be like the Stephen Hawking book where everyone would buy it as a signaling mechanism and not actually read it.  And he was right.

290 292 Prog:

Tribalism works for me in this context, but I think it's a larger concept of which racism's more of sub-set.  And Barry (much like OJ), doesn't seem to have the bona-fides to be "one of" his "tribe."  He's multi-racial, privileged and wealthy, went to Harvard and by all accounts has never lived the day-to-day life of the middle-class and poor blacks who so staunchly support him.

That's why I'd say racism's the more fine-point accurate description.

291 On the day of the OJ low speed chase, I made a bet with a Lib friend (OK, yes, I have them. Or had.). The Lib said that OJ would be convicted, since they had the gloves, the DNA, blah blah. I said that OJ would not be convicted, for the simple reason that he was being tried in Los Angeles. My Lib pal (a scientist) made me put my money where my mouth was. He bet me a considerable amount of money that I would be wrong. I took the bet. We sealed the cash up in an envelope and gave it to a third party to await the outcome. And await we did. There was a long time before the verdict came down. As a matter of fact, I had totally forgotten about the bet altogether. The verdict came and the Lib pal called me up. "aren't you gonna come get your gawd dammed money?" I have been a cynic for quite a while.

292 I really want to read Barry's books.  However, I don't want to put money in his pocket, and I'd be too embarrassed to check them out at the library.

293 I think the Celts were pushed Westward by Germanic tribes, and eventually adsorbed into them. The Romans kinda came and went from England, leaving infrastructure, laws, etc. -- but -- not much in the way of ethnic mixing. The mixing and adsorption of Celts and Germanic tribes (Angles, Saxons, Danes, etc) spanned the Roman era; some earlier - some later.

294 I really want to read Barry's books.  However, I don't want to put money in his pocket, and I'd be too embarrassed to check them out at the library.

Check the $1 bin in the used bookstores.  I bet they're turning them away by now.

295

307 Jane D'oh...

 

go to a used book store the royalty has already been paid.

It is how I reverse engineered Marx and Gore.

296

Coming to a theater (and voting station) near you, Malick "Chucky" Shabazz.

_{(Who is the ventriloquist with his hand up this evil dummy's ass, Holder or Obama or is it a menage a trois?)}

297

However, I don't want to put money in his pocket, and I'd be too embarrassed to check them out at the library.

Check Big Lots. Perhaps they are in the dollar bin. Right next to his commemorative plates.

298 @301 No, I hope the BART cop gets an appropriate sentence, if for no other reason than to serve as a warning to other cops in the same situation. By appropriate I think at least 10 years, and parole under condition that he never be allowed to work in security of any type ever again.

299 I just thought he was smarter than that.

Well, most people are a bit ahead, Ace.

We NEVER thought he was anything other than a two-bit street hustler.

300 We should, at this point, when tempted to buy into the racist actions of the Administration, remember, the intent of "revolutionaries" prior to the "revolution" is to divide the population and turn them against each other, taking every identifiable outward difference each one hailed as part of individuality, and instead turning those differences into reasons to fight. So called liberals gain power by dividing a population and setting them to fight each other while making quiet promises to both sides for even more power. Do not believe for a second that this situation regarding the blatant racism of the DOJ is any different. It is only one more way they are trying to keep our eyes off of the goal of freedom for all, and instead keep them fixed on racial strife. Allow them to do this, and we will become the dogs, snarling at each other for the scraps that fall from the table, while our political masters blithely eat steak in front of us.

301 Anybody else been seeing the commercials for debt relief companies that use Obama in them? Seems weird, i don't think they have to get his permission, but still, it's just odd.

302 And even if we take both these numbers as 100% accurate, your still looking at a very small percentage of total population that voted in the last election and a miniscule fraction that were polled on these approval numbers.

Not in the South, where close to 30% of the voters are Black. 

Just axe me, I got 60% of the vote and didn't do shit, BUT I do speak with a Negro dialect.

Action figure need some?

303 And Barry (much like OJ), doesn't seem to have the bona-fides to be "one of" his "tribe."

Which leads into my favorite bit of Dreams: in his junior year of high school, he was self-aware enough to understand that.  His solution was to make himself more "authentic" by getting into pot and cocaine.  And when he got to college, he refused to be friends with anyone who wasn't a radical Marxist on the grounds that it would help his image.

304 301:  I don't agree with the sentence either and I wouldn't have bought the taser excuse, but if the DOJ didn't see fit to investigate OJ's verdict, why does it get to stick its nose in this one ?

The "Mississippi Burning" cases were an exception.  They represented the tip of an iceberg where numerous cases were being decided based on black/white issues - often with the juries openly flaunting their disregard of the law to reach results-based verdicts. 

More and more people are coming to the realization that "social justice" only cuts one way and the one-sidedness is starting to piss more and more people off.  The verdict sucked, but the "remedy" isn't going to make it any better.  If the DOJ somehow got this BART jagoff lynched, is that going to be taken as "justice" by the rest of us ?  That's where this differs from the 1960's South.

305

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

Celts are the "original" inhabitants of England

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_ history_of_the_British_Isles

The "Angles" were post-Roman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_%28people%29

306

O.k., I see now Megyn is going to interview the national NBP head. Damn, I was hoping she was going to interview the dread locked Hitler from Philly.

307
And all that's left of the Celts is a stupid green leprechaun on the floor of the Boston Garden.

308

Once again, the right resorts to violence.

http://tinyurl.com/3yxw6ms

Becoming a broken record.

309

The "Angles" were post-Roman

Were those the Obtuse Angles?  Because I know they were pretty bad.

310 By appropriate I think at least 10 years, and parole under condition that he never be allowed to work in security of any type ever again.

Since what he was convicted of was a felony he will not be able to work in any occupation that requires carrying a gun.

(Or in any occupation that requires a security clearance and background check).

311

Polynikes: You're really stretching for a comparison. Pulling your Glock involves more thought than missing a red light.

I don't agree with Holder looking for a show trial and I'll assume the jury knows more about the case than I do. I just feel like the punishment doesn't match what happened. Lucky for Quick Draw McGraw that I don't have a choice in the matter.

312 Head of the NBP is a raging idiot. Obfuscating mother fucker.

313 Agree, Vic, but there are security occupations that are unarmed (mall cop and such). This guy has proved that he has no judgement acumen whatsoever.

314 I married a cute Angle.

315 Shame on everyone who uses race-baiting to feed their guilt, their hate, their ambition, or whatever they're using it for.  It is tearing up our country, making it dangerous (much more so than usual) and setting us back 70 years.  SHAME ON THEM.

316 OT: This is worth a good laugh.

317 >>>Am I the only right winger who thinks 2-4 years for shooting a guy in the back while he is being held down by several other officers is kind of a light sentence? It is unless you buy the guy's story -- which the jury did, and which seems plausible -- that this was a stone-cold accident. 2-4 years is kinda normal for accidental (but "reckless" or criminally negligent) deaths.

318

s'moron, we actually have very little evidence for which language was spoken along the east coast of pre-Saxon England, from East Anglia up to Northumbria.

Everyone agrees that west of that, some form of Breton was spoken: Cumbric, the modern Welsh dialects, Cornish, and Breton itself (in France).

But, to give one example, Julius Caesar ran into "Belgae" in southeastern England. Plus, it makes geographic sense that the east coast was always English: where the west's trade would have been with Britanny and other Celtic parts of Europe, the east's trade would have been across the North Sea, where you ran into Germannia Inferior, the mouth of the Rhine, Denmark and Norway.

319

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 09, 2010 02:19 PM (UOM4

on youtube you can listen to the community organizer reading his books. But then you will have to listen to him drone on and on about his marxist friends.

320

on youtube you can listen to the community organizer reading his books. But then you will have to listen to him drone on and on about his marxist friends.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at July 09, 2010 02:35 PM (ACkhT)

he has marxist friends???

321

as someone who has carried a taser and a M-9, i feel sorry for the bart cop

i carried my weapon on my right thigh and my taser on my left hip so mixing them up is really difficult

now onto the verdict,it was absolutely correct.  the issue here was INTENT, the was no intent therefore involman was correct.

does he deserve some time for his screw-up? sure, there is an awesome responsibility to go with a weapon.  does he deserve murder charges and life in prison, of course not.  this was an accident

322 This guy's entire chain of command should be shitcanned for the really, really shitty training this guy got.

323
conscious but something else...

good work on he Muslim History p-chops, the other day.

The images would make a great calendar for NASA's muslim outreach program.

324 DOCTOR Malik Zulu Shabazz (the hell) is an ass.  There's a vid of him somewhere running his racist mouth about whitey.  He's also the jackass who's threatening to show up at Beck's event on the Mall in August.

325 I can see how in the heat of the moment you might grab the wrong weapon from your belt, but what I don't get, and this comes from decades of CCW permit holding, and shooting nearly everyday, is once that weapon is in your hands you don't realize that it's your pistol, and not the tazer.

Just doesn't make sense to me. Especially when you point and aim that weapon in your line of sight.

326 Kind of funny how one person holding a "lyin' African" sign or the unproven claims of n-bombs are proof positive that the Tea Party is a fundamentally racist organization, but the footage of NBPs intimidating voters and screaming racist vitriol is just the action of two unassociated individuals... Fuck the MFM for letting the Left get away with disassociating themselves with the people they use and promptly throw under the bus.

327
and just for kicks...

maybe we can show how Muslims have contributed to NASCAR racing by putting their image behind the wheel of #3.

328 333 Ace:

To be fair, while I find it implausible that he mistook a taser for a piece, I also find it implausible that he just deliberately executed this guy because he's a psycho-cracker who was having a bad day.  Among the alternatives available to the jury, I might have pushed for something heavier, but I don't know whether it was all-or-nothing for intent vs. negligence.  If it was a binary choice, I'd have come down for negligence along with the jury.  I've always thought negligent homicide/manslaughter should be more like 8-10 years than 2-4, but in the end that's up to the legislature.

329 i carried my weapon on my right thigh and my taser on my left hip so mixing them up is really difficult

Let me guess: that was a policy not dreamed up by you, wasn't it?  It was responsible policy, which clearly BART didn't have here.  And you were trained in how to do it that way, when it looks to me like BART just strapped em both on the guys and sent em out....

330 I'd love for that racist jackass to have a live mic when Megyn's done with him.  Heh.  I bet he goes all "cracka" "bitch" and "ho" on her.

This Shabazz is a piece of work.  It's all whitey's fault.

331 Navycopjoe, do a taser and a handgun feel the same in your hand? This isn't snark, but an honest question.

332 "have you ever called white people "cracker?""

"O_O it's possible"

but this guy isn't a racist...


oh nooooooo

333 Megyn:  Do you hate white people?

DOCTOR Malik Zulu Shabazz:  *pregnant pause*

He's a "black Hebrew" he informs us.  He doesn't hate "real" Jews.

334 This Shabazz is a piece of work.  It's all whitey's fault.

Did you see O'RLY interview that Univision hack the other night? The guy just kept spewing falsehoods despite O'RLY correcting him. Where are the concerned keepers of truth when it comes to that guy? Is the "Fairness" Doctrine going to apply to media en espanol as well? Doubt it.

335

Anyone who thinks he's smart or post-racial has never at least skimmed Dreams From My Father.  Ayers pulled a fast one there - he assumed it'd be like the Stephen Hawking book where everyone would buy it as a signaling mechanism and not actually read it.  And he was right.

Hummm. I own and have read three of Stephen Hawking's books.  What signal? I thought it was physics.

336 Can't wait for Pres'ent Toonces to say Megyn Kelly acted stupidly in her interview.

337 350 Gee, can't Obama just have another beer summit and patch things over? Posted by: Mallamutt at July 09, 2010 02:44 PM (OWjjx) Sure, invite every BART cop and every black person in Oakland over to the White House for a kegger. That should go swimmingly.

338 This guy has got to be the most incoherent leader of any national organization I think I have ever heard.

339 Someone cleaned Malik up.  Looks like he's off to a Rotary meeting.  Heh.

340

actually training taught us to keep them seperated so that the taser is opposite your strong hand, but i preferred the thigh holster because of comfort and quickness of draw and to be honest, it just looks cool and the italian hotties liked it

here in town, the hpd is required to keep their taser on their weak thigh and gun on strong hip for weapon retention

341 I still maintain that the error in judgement occurred when the cop drew a weapon, period. The subject is on his belly, on the concrete with a knee on his back. Two other cops on the scene, one standing on either side of the perp. The subject was not going anywhere. Hundreds of eye witnesses with cameras. All police train for this situation.

342

the Celts and their entire culture were pretty much wiped out by the Anglos, no? And then the Romans beat the Anglos and ruled the land now known as England for a while, no?

Or do I have that backwards?

Very Briefly:

Celts got conquered by the Romans, became the Romano-British when the Romans pulled out 400 years later, were overrun by the Anglo-Saxons who gave England its name, language, and culture, absorbing the local population. The Anglo-Saxons were overrun by the Vikings, but survived culturally and politically although incorporating some new words and genetic material along the way. They were conqered politically by the Danes in the late 10th -early 11th century, but surviveed as a distinct entity, and became independent again after a generation. Very shortly after that they were conquered by the Normans, and became the Anglo-Normans and then the modern English.

Scotland and Ireland are different - Ireland was Celtic up until the invasion of the Normans in the twelfth century, but managed to absorb the Normans. They were conquered again a bit later, don't remember the details. Scotland is a mix of Anglo-Saxons, Romano-British, a Irish tribe called the Scotti, a tribe called the Picts (presumably celtic, though I don't think we know for sure - they could have been older like the Basques), and vikings. They are usually refered to as a Celtic nation, although the most important places spoke a dialect of English....

It should be noted that "Celt" is a very broad term, and people have questioned whether the culture in the British Isles in the Medieval period really had much in common with the tribes that invaded Italy in the 5th century BC. Problematic word...

343 Wow.  Way to go, Megyn. 

344 Kelly just eviscerated that guy. She should have O'RLY's timeslot.

345 Hummm. I own and have read three of Stephen Hawking's books. What signal? I thought it was physics. Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2010 02:45 PM (OlN4e) You're the exception. Most people bought and displayed it to show how smart they were, but never actually read it. (I read A Short History of Time and understood about half of everything I read.)

346 340
conscious but something else...

good work on he Muslim History p-chops, the other day.

The images would make a great calendar for NASA's muslim outreach program.

Posted by: i pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 02:39 PM (uFokq)

Thanks! I appreciate that.

347 OT but good grief, Hollywood is remaking South Pacific.  Boneheads.

348 #364 She should have O'RLY's timeslot.

From your keypad to TPTB at Fox.  O'Reilly needs to retire and spend more time with his loufah.

349 s'moron - wiki is not a good source. Celts pushed into British isle, adsorbing/killing etc the bronze age (and older) peoples that were there (megalithic, mound builders, etc.) The Celts were continually pushed by Germanic speaking tribes coming from the west (and north) and eventually conquered by the Anglo-Saxon tribes. There were many Germanic tribes prior to (and after) the Anglo-Saxons. Right up until the Norman invasion, Harold had just defeated the Danes (another Germanic tribe) when he had to rush down and get his ass kicked at Hastings. Now, how you identify the Normans is another issue. The Romans were a non-factor in this ethnic confluence of Iron Age Celts and Germanic peoples.

350 #368

Sigh. 

loufah = loofah

351 "It's possible" that he's called someone a cracker ?

For those who think that's lawyer-ing the answer, no it isn't.  That's called good-ol' lying and ducking the question to boot.  For those who hate lawyers, a lawyer doing his job wouldn't let him off the hook with that (ala "did you write this memo - it appears to be my handwriting, Senator).

352

Wow, the dumbass Malik Shabazz just admitted on FOX he did indeed send NBP members to the polls and broke the law. This guy is a lawyer ? Also, King Samirs racial tirade caught on tape is somehow right-wing manipulation. Also if King Samir is a felon he's looking at five years just for the pic of him holding that AK.

Who the hell am I kidding they wouldn't prosecute him for that either.

353 This thread is all over the place.

354

348  not really, but i carried a beretta M9 vice this guys glock

the taser feels lighter and blocker and kind of cheap and top heavy compared to the gun

i've never held a glock so i can't compare

i think where the worst mix up is he didn't aim, he drew and squeezed, there was no hesitation (refering to unclefacts point before)

355

Now, how you identify the Normans is another issue.

How about "Vikings"?

356 You're the exception. Most people bought and displayed it to show how smart they were, but never actually read it. (I read A Short History of Time and understood about half of everything I read.)

Posted by: joncelli at July 09, 2010 02:48 PM (RD7QR)

Yeah, same here, about half. You have to read them over and over to absorb much of his writing, but it is worth the trouble, he is truly brilliant.

357 Grey Fox - I'm ignore the political makeup of who was in charge; only talking about the ethic mixing.

358 loufah = loofah

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 09, 2010 02:51 PM (UOM4

You should have skipped the correction.  Your original spelling sounded so... continental.

359 the taser feels lighter and blocker and kind of cheap and top heavy compared to the gun

You've just described the Glock to a tee.

360

wow, i'm surpised no army or marine wierdo jumped on me over

"but i preferred the thigh holster because of comfort and quickness of draw and to be honest, it just looks cool and the italian hotties liked it"

it'll be a good day i think

361
I get it now, you can't use the actions of one member to smear the entire NBP who is still a member in good standing by the way, but you can use the actions of one stupid person to smear the entire Tea-Party.

362 Cicero - Originally, but they mixed with left over Celts, Bretons, etc. and essentially formed a new medieval culture with new technology, organization, languages, etc.

363 372 Blazer:

Where any of the statutes of limitation for that shit run into 2013, paging President Ryan... or Christie. 

But yeah, I'm dreaming.  These guys would still likely walk even if John Bolton was AG.  Someone up the ladder would say it's too "divisive."

364

379  thats what i thought

365
I get it now, you can't use the actions of one member to smear the entire NBP who is still a member in good standing by the way, but you can use the alleged actions of one stupid person to smear the entire Tea-Party.

FIFY.

The Left uses and destroys people like tissues and the MFM lets them get away with it.

366 ... and the Normans didn't do too much ethnic mixing in the British Isle, kinda ran things from the top.

367

379,

 

part of why I do not understand the taser industry's insistence on auto-pistol style grips.

 

They are not needed and I am pretty sure not even the best method for stabilization and target acquisition.

A disposable flashlight hosuing design would be just as effective, and no risk for "oops I just gave him a .40 timeout"

368

i think where the worst mix up is he didn't aim, he drew and squeezed, there was no hesitation (refering to unclefacts point before)

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 09, 2010 02:52 PM (gg4j2)

I guess that's the point of the shooting then, improper, or a lack of training in the proper discharge of a firearm here. All the people that have ever gone through the training myself and other do at my club emphasize weapon awareness. Especially if they carry more than one. I can completely understand that in the heat of the situation if you hadn't had proper training, and your weapon setup, such as carrying both on your strong side, would lead to something like this. What I don't get from watching the video is why he felt the need to pull and more importantly discharge the weapon when the perp is clearly outnumbered and looks to be subdued to a large extent.

369

These dickheads, Sir Hooks A Lot and Stedman, want to start a race war.

 

 

End of story.

370 Blazer - exactly, now you can move on to Step 2 - the Group Hug.

371

 ... and the Normans didn't do too much ethnic mixing in the British Isle, kinda ran things from the top.

It doesn't fit most peoples' impression of Richard the Lionheart to find out that he only spoke French and liked Aquitaine a lot more than he liked England.

372

372  so if i change my name to king shamwow kaboom joe and show up at a voting place with my xdm talking about the black man is going down, holder will say meh, right?

and i'll get my unicorn next week while i'm dreaming

373 but i preferred the thigh holster because of comfort and quickness of draw and to be honest, it just looks cool and the italian hotties liked it

No jumping on you here.  I'm army from way back, but I'm not a cop.

At my old gym, there was a local police officer who was a reservist MA who had done at least a couple of active tours.  His wife was from Italy, and she was so hot that it was painful to look at her.

374 There is no real need for a taser to be shaped like a firearm at all. That is a fault to me, not a feature.

375

Grey Fox's 360  is pretty much what I was taught in (a border English / Welsh) highschool. It mostly fits what we know. (Including about the Picts, a very controversial group.)

That stuff I said about eastern England possibly being proto-Anglo-Saxon speaking before the Romans is a minority opinion; I got that from Stephen Oppenheimer's "Origins of the British". He bases his hypothesis upon DNA and "linguistic archaeology".

376 Most of us have sense enough to understand - because we've learned through experience - that our view of the world doesn't always necessarily reflect reality. Liberal elitists only talk to each other. They read the same books , look at the same movies, only read the same commentary, etc. Their lives are one big echo chamber. Once you realize that - to them - the "narrative" has more substance, then what has actually taken place, it becomes easy to understand why an ideologue, like Holder, feels he has to intervene in this "obvious miscarriage of justice". He doesn't think about the consequences, because in his mind all the "right people are on his side - and no one else matters.

I've never seen this incident as more then a horrible accident, brought on by some really stupid decisions made at police headquarters (having two pistol grips on the same side of the weapons belt, is ASKING - no make that begging and pleading - for an accident.

Another comment above mentioned that radicals and their ilk are looking to start some kind of a "race war". I relly wonder who they expect to fight it - as if all blacks are all the same loud mouthed agitators that the media constantly gives face time too. We're all pretty much the same color so we all have to think alike? Like I've always believed - scratch a Liberal , find a racist.

377 Well, I can assure you that this one stupid cop and the resulting community inflamers have put us on the precipice of a race war. And this is a place that has already an ugly period called the Zebra killings. The Kill Whitey sentiment is strong out there.

378 maybe we can show how Muslims have contributed to NASCAR racing by putting their image behind the wheel of #3.

Posted by: i pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 02:41 PM (uFokq)

Islamic Rage Boy joins NASCAR

379 Picts (presumably celtic, though I don't think we know for sure - they could have been older like the Basques), and vikings. They are usually refered to as a Celtic nation, although the most important places spoke a dialect of English....

If you believe Julius Ceaser, the Picts were pre-celt or parallel in part of old England. Archeology though shows that there was another culture before either of them though. (I think they are recurred to as the "longhouse" people)

Working from memory here though so may be mistaken.

380

wow, i'm surpised no army or marine wierdo jumped on me over

Sorry about that.  As a former army weirdo I should have but its been a busy day.  I promise to completely lose it for you next time though.

381

Once again, Malik Shabazz admitted on national t.v. that he did indeed send his members to the polls to harass and intimidate white voters. I am quite curious by what he meant by his intelligence indicated it was necessary.

The DOJ dropped this case why again ?

382

394,

 

Yup on a primal level it escalates the threat interaction and doesn't defuse it....

 

a perp who is wired sees the gun looking device and is liable to overreact, the cop is also liable to overreact subtly and use it quicker....

first-gen tasers were OBVIOUSLY tasers.

383 Now, how you identify the Normans is another issue.

+1

384 Megyn Kelly may act however she wants. Especially in a short, Catholic  school girl skirt.

Don't forget the librarian glasses!

385

 king shamwow kaboom joe

Oh awesome.

386 157 "At the most, they seek retribution for grievances I had nothing to do with." I was thinking today about where they get these silly notions. It comes from white people (mostly on campuses) who keep saying shit like "we stole the land from the Indians" and "we owned blacks as slaves." Exactly. To quote Tonto, "What do you mean WE, white boy?" The whole concept of trans-generational "racial guilt" is at its core racist and silly. MY ancestors were serfs on some Austrian-owned estate about the time Africans were being sold by their fellow Africans to Dutch or English traders on the African Atlantic Coast. They might not have been "Slaves," but they couldn't leave the village they were born into, ever, or so much as get married without permission. The fruit of their labor was subject to the "taxation" (i.e., involuntary confiscation) of their "Lord." How "Lord" differs from a "Master" is not clear to me. And if they spoke up against their lot - or got caught running away - they could and were treated as severely as any slave. So how the hell did I inherit "white guilt" simply by having my parents move to this country?

387

 king shamwow kaboom joe

Oh awesome.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 09, 2010 03:05 PM (nJ+P3)

Should have been King Shamwow Hakim Kaboom Shabazz.

388

maybe we can show how Muslims have contributed to NASCAR racing by putting their image behind the wheel of #3.

By the way, you might be interested to know that the number 3 is...

Arabic.

389 Like I've always believed - scratch a Liberal , find a racist.

now just a second there, how else do you expect us to get elected?

390 His wife was from Italy, and she was so hot that it was painful to look at her.

Posted by: MikeO at July 09, 2010 03:02 PM (lBmZl)

Hurts So Good...That's what I'm talking about!

391

Texas Jew are you still here? Are you a real Jew?

King Malik Shabazz says you're not.

392 404 "Megyn Kelly may act however she wants. Especially in a short, Catholic school girl skirt." Don't forget the librarian glasses! Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2010 03:05 PM (/jbAw) Or the knee-high white socks!!!

393

Most of us have sense enough to understand - because we've learned through experience - that our view of the world doesn't always necessarily reflect reality.

As I tell my young adult kids, "The universe does not care what you think."

394

388  there is the problem though, training

i read not to long ago that most cops never regularly train with their weapon, basically they just take it to the range to qualify once a year (any leo out there lurking can confirm this please)

as far as should he have gone to his taser, i won't second guess the bart cop's judgement from a video (professional courtesy)  i wasn't there, bad video angle, what does he see, what happened before, what is the threat, what does regs say, i just don't know

395

411,

But King Shamwow Kaboom does, so it's all kosher

396 Hey, morons.  It's DOCTOR King Shamwow Kaboom Fo'Shiznit Hussein Joe. 

397 As I tell my young adult kids, "The universe does not care what you think." Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 09, 2010 03:08 PM (nJ+P3) Something well worth repeating to militant atheists, by the way!

398

414 NCJ,

Most depratments have a 12 month requirement to qualify, with access to the range and trainer year round(in Ohio and Indiana anyway)

they train about as intensely with their weapons as the Army does when totally at peace which is to say, "not enough".

399 Zimeriel - I think there is a lot of evidence for repeated Germanic hits on the British East Coast.

400

as far as should he have gone to his taser, i won't second guess the bart cop's judgement from a video (professional courtesy)  i wasn't there, bad video angle, what does he see, what happened before, what is the threat, what does regs say, i just don't know

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 09, 2010 03:08 PM (gg4j2)

Yep, there are an awful lot of unknowns here. I would like to see a whole lot of best practices come out of this though. No more pistol shaped tazers. No more carrying both lethal and less than lethal weapons on the same side. A hell of a lot more mandatory training for LEO's on their weapons skills.

401 Something well worth repeating to militant atheists, by the way!

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 09, 2010 03:09 PM (tJjm/)

I tell those types that Jesus loves them in spite of themselves.

402

His wife was from Italy, and she was so hot that it was painful to look at her.

there are times when i was stationed in sardinia where i almost crashed my car due to checking out hot chicks

i walked into a few light posts on patrol too

403

Check out Malkin's site. There's a whole lot of stuff over there Megyn could have hit King Shamwow Fo'shizzle over the head with to make him look even more the ass he is, but didn't.

404 Once again, Malik Shabazz admitted on national t.v. that he did indeed send his members to the polls to harass and intimidate white voters. I am quite curious by what he meant by his intelligence indicated it was necessary.

The DOJ dropped this case why again ?

Posted by: Blazer at July 09, 2010 03:04 PM (t72+4)

Because it's all whitey's fault.

405

The whole concept of trans-generational "racial guilt" is at its core racist and silly. MY ancestors were serfs on some Austrian-owned estate about the time Africans were being sold by their fellow Africans to Dutch or English traders on the African Atlantic Coast.

My people have been dirt poor for as long as I can trace back.  I'm pretty sure there are some serfs in there.  Along with the occasional pirate and horse thief.

406 i wasn't there, bad video angle, what does he see, what happened before, what is the threat, what does regs say, i just don't know

Supposedly he told another cop "Tony Tony I can't see his hands dammit.  Gonna tase him"...kablooie.

If he didn't know where the hands were and the guy was struggling, I can see the volt punch coming down.

407 Will there be as much scrutiny by Eric "Pardon Me" Holder when a BLACK cop shoots a WHITE suspect?

Never mind.........................

408

That "Zulu" wannabee and blowhard was on his best behavior today. You should have seen him babbling, ranting and raving out of control on C-Span two or three years ago. 

But I don't want to be unfair. Maybe that goofy, little twerp is from the pigmy branch of the Zulu tribe. BTW, remember when he was a guest at the White House back in 2009? Go figure.

409

"but i preferred the thigh holster because of comfort and quickness of draw and to be honest, it just looks cool and the italian hotties liked it"

it'll be a good day i think

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 09, 2010 02:56 PM (gg4j2)

Weren't you worried about getting your sidearm tangled up in your garter belt?

410

Concerning this white guilt, does this mean that Obama feels guilty at least half of the time?

411 As someone who has a lot of law enforcement pals and family, I can assure you that anything past the minimal annual qualifying test that the officer does is voluntary. I tried to be a cop once upon a time. Tough job. I did a ride along with a pal who got called on a home invasion problem in East Palo Alto. I watched while he held a tricked out M4 upright, on target, with no brace for 45 minutes. But, try that sometime. Hold 13 lbs. upright for 45 minutes. I have a lot of respect for LE.

412 My folks have all been military all the way back to the civil war, the only race we knew growing up was to the dinner table.

413

I'm not trying to start shit here, and I know this is a sensitive subject, but am I supposed to ignore the animosity directed toward me (and my whiteness, I guess) from this one group? Is it racist if I notice? Is it racist if it starts to get under my skin a little?

But the problem here is that your attributing the actions and statements of a subgroup onto an entire group.  Not all black people feel the same way nor would it be logical to assume they do - of coursethe MSM and liberal groups want you to believe this, it feeds into there strategy of divide and conquer.  If you want to rant against a group like the new black panthers or a guy like Jeramaih Wright then yes, this makes perfect sense and I see your point completely. Where it goes off the rails forme is when you try to make the inference that all black people agree with them wholeheartedly, when I know for a fact this isn't the case.

414 NCJ - I had a flight thru Sitonella , we weren't allowed to leave a 60' radius of aircraft. But the damn Italians brought a food contractor out with four smoking hot Sicilian girls -- it was a cruel thing to do to plane full of guys headed to Q8.

415

418  same with the hpd, the range i go to has a ton of cops there every day

420  the same side?  that is a big no no, two pistol grips together?  whoever made that policy is neglegent.  if that is the offical policy for bart, then i would have aquitted that cop straight out

416 So, I see that Field Marshall Herr Advocate Holder has determined that our system of justice is flawed (selectively, in matters of race) and is determined to institute his own brand of "justice". Incremental fascism occurring right before our very eyes.

417
nice summary, Grey Fox

418 Hummm. I own and have read three of Stephen Hawking's books.  What signal? I thought it was physics.

"A Brief History of Time", his "general public outreach" book. A ton of people bought a copy and put it on prominent display without actually cracking the cover because they thought it signalled that they were Smart, with an overtone of Caring About the Disabled.  (I think about 90% of StuffWhitePeopleLike.com is the same sort of deal).  There was actually some MSM reporting at the time about it.

419

434  ha!!

btw, the wife is sicilian/spanish

i chose wisely

420 Gotta wonder what they are thinking, start a race war? What, blacks being 10% of the population versus the 70% whites? This is a war they think they can win?

421

Yep, there are an awful lot of unknowns here. I would like to see a whole lot of best practices come out of this though. No more pistol shaped tazers. No more carrying both lethal and less than lethal weapons on the same side. A hell of a lot more mandatory training for LEO's on their weapons skills.

Don't have the link, but an article I read on the matter said his pistol was on his right hip, and the tazer was in front to the left of his belt buckle.

It sounds like he probably did intend to use his tazer, but it was a grossly negligent mistake.

422 Sir Hooks A Lot and Stedman

That's funny.

423 @ 407- Should have been King Shamwow Hakim Kaboom Shabazz.

King Shamwow Hakim Die Honky Kaboom Shabazz has a much better ring to it...

424
look, the point is that Malik Shazzam deserves reparations as much as the "Celts."

425 426  if it was me and i couldn't see his hands, he would have been tased

426

431 As someone who has a lot of law enforcement pals and family, I can assure you that anything past the minimal annual qualifying test that the officer does is voluntary.

I tell my Son he MUST stay proficient with his weapon. His life and the lives of others may well depend on his ability to put lead on target. Practice is not optional.

427 Posted by: navycopjoe at July 09, 2010 03:17 PM (gg4j2)

Hey Joe.  One of my best buds is a MCPO running a dive locker in HI.  At least I think he's still there in HI.  If he is you wanna screw with him?

Email me and I'll give you my real name, and you can saunter up and tell him I said he's a short little fucker with a bad haircut, or something.

He'd laugh, you'd go to the brig, and I'd be back in Ohio drinking a beer.

428 So I guess the development of taser attachment like an M203 is dead - as well as the taser shotgun rounds?

429 Does anybody care that federal prosecutions like this are blatantly unconstitutional?

Heh.

430 @446 Exactly.

431

Ian S., it was that and The Satanic Verses. TIME magazine did a study where they stuck a cheque in the middle of the book and watched who cashed it. Answer: almost no-one for either.

Disclosure here: I had both books at age 15. Finished Rushdie (and enjoyed it); didn't get even halfway through Hawking.

Oh yeah, and I took Further Maths and Physics for A-Level. Still couldn't figure out what the bleeding fuck Hawking was going on about. Something about a four-dimensional cone with a gradient equivalent to the spped of light, with the Hounds of Tindalos making their appearance in chapter 9. I think.

432 440 Gotta wonder what they are thinking, start a race war? What, blacks being 10% of the population versus the 70% whites? This is a war they think they can win?

Posted by: KG at July 09, 2010 03:19 PM (S8TF5)

What makes you think all of that 70% is on your side cracker??

433

446  bible truth that

the bullet is going somewhere and they say the life expectancy of an innocent bystander sucks

434 There are evil cockholsters out there of all shapes, sizes and colors that's why it's important to be alert always and ammo should be at the top of any shopping list ALL the time.

435

Does anybody care that federal prosecutions like this are blatantly unconstitutional?

I do.  But nobody ever listens to me.

436 What makes you think all of that 70% is on your side cracker?? We don't.

437

447  will do when i get home

is he out of MDSU-1?  if he is i was there back in 93-95 and may know him

and master divers don't call the cops, they just 'counsel' you and toss you off the pier

438 Does anybody care that federal prosecutions like this are blatantly unconstitutional?

Now, now, Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar, remember?

439 I don't know all that military lingo, but I know he's bounced back and forth between HI and FL.  Bout 5'6--dark hair--also named Joe.  40 yrs old now.

440 There was some discussion regarding the Constitutionality of that hate crime law that calls for this very early in the thread.

441
meanwhile...

Kalid Shiek Muhammed awaits trial.

Holder has bigger fish to fry.

442 Someone should check on whether King Samsonite Shabizzle is a convicted felon. There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.

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Also, they should check on whether the guy got out of a time machine directly from a 1978 Parliament Funkadelic concert and send him back.

443 Kalid Shiek Muhammed awaits trial.

We're waiting til winter for that Arab tan to fade away.

444

hmmm, makes sense to go from here to dive school and back, most of the guys do it seems

the two joe's i know are both huge bastards but will write you later for the name and ill harass him for you

you will have to pay forthe beer/bandages required of course

445 The only recourse left, obviously, is to seek justice by breaking store windows and taking off with wide-screen TVs, iPads, and jewelry.

446
meanwhile...

theAl Qaeda terrorist Nadil Hassan is getting well while no one in Congress is demanding to "connect the dots" in this case of terrorism.

447
Is Charlie Rangle still investigating himself, or did he close that case with an acquittal?

448 Does anybody care that federal prosecutions like this are blatantly unconstitutional?

Getting to be a long list.

449

463 Someone should check on whether King Samsonite Shabizzle is a convicted felon. There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.

Jerk offs like him are all about looking cool. I would bet the son of a bitch couldn't hit a bear in the ass with a base fiddle.

450

you will have to pay forthe beer/bandages required of course

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 09, 2010 03:33 PM (gg4j2)

Will do.  It will be worth it---email me at herrmorgenholz--at--yahoo---dot---the rest.

Actually it could be pretty funny.  He's got a great sense of humor, for a Master Chief, at least.

451
Is Charlie Rangle still investigating himself, or did he close that case with an acquittal?

Posted by: i pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 03:34 PM (uFokq)

He did an ethics investigation of himself. No ethics were found within' a fifty mile radius of him.

Case closed.

452 Wunderbar on the sockpuppet

453
The Chronicles of Holder XIII:  The Racening.

454 About ten years ago after a Mardi Gras parade, I was piss-drunk enough to realize I was too piss-drunk to drive home, so I put my keys in my pocket and went to sleep in my truck cab. I awoke to several cops knocking on my window. I told them my reasoning, let them search me and my truck which they then parked in a safe place.

Technically, I was at their mercy, but one of them, without my asking, said, "Hop in my cruiser and I'll run you home."

Fast forward to last year and I awoke to a cop knocking on my door after midnight to tell me that I had left the gate open on my SUV and that I should make sure everything was still there and secure it.

Now, I realize that according to some of you, in both instances, I should have yelled, "Fuck you, pig! Get your goddamn jackboot off my neck!"

However, there are undoubtedly thousands of instances where the police serve their communities with honor, which will never get them a word of praise. I've received shabby treatment from cops, but more often from people who are not cops. It's as rational for me to shit on plumbers, dental hygienists, and mimes as it is to paint cops as all good or all bad based on the limited interactions I've had with them.

455 Colonel Allen West on Hannity now - calling for the NBPP to be put on the terrorist watch list.  Love it!

456 Someone should check on whether King Samsonite Shabizzle is a convicted felon. There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.

Jerk offs like him are all about looking cool. I would bet the son of a bitch couldn't hit a bear in the ass with a base fiddle.

Posted by: maddogg at July 09, 2010 03:34 PM (OlN4e)

If he's a felon he should do five years for each instance of holding a firearm in clear violation of the federal statute that makes it a crime for a felon to posses a firearm.

Of course if he is, we'd have to wait 'till after 2012 to see him prosecuted for it.

457 Gotta wonder what they are thinking, start a race war? What, blacks being 10% of the population versus the 70% whites? This is a war they think they can win?

I like those odds.

458

Someone should check on whether King Samsonite Shabizzle is a convicted felon. There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.

Uh, we're right on that.

459 Cops get vetted pretty good, usually. This BART cop was OK until he screwed up that one time. Wiley Post was a pretty good pilot too, if you don't count that one time.

460 Now, now, Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar, remember?

He says he's a constitutional lawyer.  Maybe he should try one of these cases himself, just to prove how smart he is.  I bet it would work out at least as well as the Chicago olympics.

461 You guys only talk this way because Senõr Obama is a Husseiner

462 Wiley Post was a pretty good pilot too, if you don't count that one time.

Posted by: rawmuse at July 09, 2010 03:41 PM (gQWi+)

I was a pretty good zeppelin pilot until that stupid Lakehurst thing.

463 Could someone please explain to me how this would not be "double Jeopardy"?

464 482
If there's any justice he'll know the inside of a courtroom very well by the time he's done

465

Could someone please explain to me how this would not be "double Jeopardy"?

Double jeopardy requires successive prosecutions by the same sovereign.  The feds are not the same as the State of California.

If the feds prosecute him and he's acquitted, the Hague is probably next in line.

466 UncleZeb - different crime, usually "violating his civil rights" or some such.

467
Having a Civil Rights Division in this DOJ is like the ACLU having its own division in our Justice Department.

468 It's as rational for me to shit on plumbers, dental hygienists, and mimes

:-o

:-/

:-(


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469

490  agreed

mimes are always open season for ass beating

470 Late to the thread.

Thank you Ace for writing this. It's spot on. I should know. I did this work for a quarter century.

People make fucking mistakes under stress. Terrible mistakes. The fact that an angry mob always searches for the worst in people is not surprising. That they are incapable of comprehending this is a choice. Forgiveness is not in their hearts. They are spiritually sick.

And a sick... politically driven system wants to play football with this guy. I hated that life. To get spiritually correct meant I had to find the exit. It's a sad world that judges all people on their actions yet individually each of us judge ourselves on our intentions.

If we judged all others on their intentions and only ourselves on our actions...well Ace...the world would be a beautiful place. Until that happens, football anyone?

471 We flung poo at a Mime on Bourbon Street

472
this admin is all about social justice...

and everything is a teachable moment.

473 If you really want to know what makes Obama tick then don't bother with his "autobiographies". Look at his teachers, his actions and his administration. Then read Rules For Radicals. Here's an example. In 1993 Bill Clinton signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor Voter). With him in the Rose Garden were two professors from Columbia (Obama's alma mater) Richard Cowen and Frances Piven, two Alinsky acolytes. They were there because they were recognized as the driving force for getting the legislation created and adopted. The whole point of the legislation was to flood the voter rolls with "disenfranchised poor voters" or if you are a cynic to overload the system with all sorts of dead wood and people who should not be on the rolls and to allow the endless claims of voter fraud, intimidation and disenfranchisement. The left has been using the law to screw around with voter rolls and play with elections ever since. In 1995 and Barack Obama esq. is a fresh faced young lawyer in Chicago. One of his first big cases involves working with ACORN to force Illinois to institute Motor Voter and set up ACORN's own get out the vote organization, Project Vote. Obama knew ACORN well from his pre-lawyer days as a Alinsky trained community organizer. ACORN has been busy for years around the country jamming the voter roles with hundreds of thousands of dubious new voters and they work hand in hand with the Obama administration. One of the most damning things that J. Christian Adams said in his testimony to the Civil Rights Commission the other day was that it was now policy at DOJ to not investigate any Motor Voter complaints because investigation would not increase voter turnout. And so the cycle continues. BTW, before Hillary went off to Yale Law School she turned down a job offer to train as a community organizer with Saul Alinsky in Chicago. The same Saul Alinsky she wrote her college thesis on claiming she agreed with much of what Alinsky preached but (like Obama) she believed she could be more effective working within the system than from the outside. Judging by what's going on with Obama, Hillary and the DOJ, I'd say they were right. This has been has game plan all along and you can see it with everything he does. One of the central themes of Alinskism is to overload the system so that it breaks and replace it with more "socially just" institutions. Health care, the economy, taking over large corporations and giving the unions huge payoffs, it's all of a piece. Another interesting Hillary tidbit. She did a summer internship with a law firm based in Oakland that specialized in far left causes. Their client list included admitted communists (not surprising as the partners at the law firm were admitted communists) and a fledgling little organization known as The Black Panthers. If the Republicans can win back the House this fall look for subpoenas to be flying at the DOJ. There is some seriously bad shit going on over there.

474

Could someone please explain to me how this would not be "double Jeopardy"?

Same as with the Rodney King cops.  The Feds wouldn't be charging him with murder, but for a federal Civil Rights violation- a different "crime" than the cop was already tried for.  They'd have to argue that the cop acted out of racism and in doing so deprived the victim of his civil rights.

Yeah, it's a little fishy, and I don't think they could really make a case- but it's no surprise coming from Holder.

475

There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.

Where are all the anti-gun shrews?

476

Where it goes off the rails forme is when you try to make the inference that all black people agree with them wholeheartedly, when I know for a fact this isn't the case.

All?

No.

About 90%

But you don't believe that polling is representative of anything, according to your statement above that that number is only based on asking a small percentage of the population.

 

 

477 You can't be tried twice for the same crime. But slightly different charges provide no insulation.

The Feds suck. They are politically motivated pieces of shit. The less we see of them, the better off we all are. True for oil slicks, taxes and the IRS army, immigration, or those porn watching bags of shit at the SEC.

Worthless mf'ers. Most of them.

478

See, Stuck on Stupid, that's why I quoted the number.

90%

90% means 90%

It doesn't mean all.

It means 90%

Which is why I brought it up instead of saying "all".

479 Could someone please explain to me how this would not be "double Jeopardy"?

Because the courts have ruled that it is not.

Supposedly their reasoning was that the "hate crime" is a different crime. Never mind the fact that it falls from the same act. The issue rests on the doctrine of separate sovereignty. Both the State and the Feds can prosecute for the same crime. The Constitution prohibits double jeopardy by the feds.

And besides, the AG is supposed to do a "strict review" before opening a case under the statute. Double jeopardy is supposed to be taken into consideration. Hahahahahahaha, the AG has to certify this "in writing". Hahahahahaha

Also, enhanced penalties for hate crimes are not a violation of the 14th equal justice rule because they speak to "intent" which has always been a part of enhanced penalties and the state has a "compelling interest" in discouraging these type of crimes. 

480 351 Megyn:  Do you hate white people?

DOCTOR Malik Zulu Shabazz:  *pregnant pause*

He's a "black Hebrew" he informs us.  He doesn't hate "real" Jews.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 09, 2010 02:45 PM (UOM4

 

"real" Jews? As opposed to what? Fake Jews?

Are they the ones who also do impressions of Amish Mennonites? Just asking.

481

Sure, he probably made a grave mistake in thinking he was about to tase the prone suspect. But, he didn't, and a young man died at his hand. 2 to 4 years for killing a person?

If it were your kid, would you be OK with this punishment?

482

Roughly 90% of blacks support a president who is actively racist against whites in policy, words, and deed.

This is a problem. And it makes me a bit hostile, toward the larger black community because of it.

Notice, Stuck on Stupid, that nowhere did I say that I plan on punching the first black person I see in the face because of this.

Notice, also, SoS, that I did not say all.

I'll say that again.

Not all.

All would be 100%. Not 90%. Which is the credible and easily verifiable figure I used. On purpose.

I am even aware of the little known fact that black conservatives exist. Fancy that. I also know some awfully nice black folks. Some black conservatives even comment here! Wow!

But that ain't the point, now is it?

 

 

 

483 I just thought he was smarter than that.

But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves.

Dear old mom, who was in her car while the hood was pounded in the middle of a race riot in the 60s, fears that we're headed for a new race riot. Maybe so. But I also tend* to think that we so-called crackers have had 40+ years to learn to be smarter than that as far as an anarchistic "response."

*or hope

484 Of course they can't help themselves, Ace.  A big reason why the Democrats lost the recent big races in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts is that their usual voters didn't turn out at the polls in the same proportion as they did in 2008.  Obama and the Democrats need to do something to drive up African-American (and youth and Hispanic) turnout coming into the midterm elections.  They know it.  This is just the beginning of the wedge issues they will be using to gin up turnout among key Democrat constituencies.

485 "real" Jews? As opposed to what? Fake Jews?

No.  Wooden ones.

486

Roughly 90% of blacks support a president who is actively racist against whites in policy, words, and deed.

This is a problem. And it makes me a bit hostile, toward the larger black community because of it.

I don't know about hostile. For me, it means that I should just let them alone to enjoy their race-based paradise without any interference from me, especially my nasty-ass old honky dollars. In any way shape or form I can manage, I keep them in my mean old cracker pocket and not out polluting their wonderful dream come true. It's about purity, see? I'm all for helping out!

487 463 Someone should check on whether King Samsonite Shabizzle is a convicted felon. There are numerous pics of him out there holding fire arms.
Posted by: Blazer at July 09, 2010 03:31 PM (t72+4)
We choose not recognizisle yo white bread 'just-us' system.  Day be commin, we goan rise up and git us whats owed....
Damn honky cracka....

488

Sure, he probably made a grave mistake in thinking he was about to tase the prone suspect. But, he didn't, and a young man died at his hand. 2 to 4 years for killing a person?

If it were your kid, would you be OK with this punishment?

Yes.  If I was convinced it was an accident.

489 Yes, gator I would. A drunk driver took my best friends son out, dead at 18 with full ride hockey scholarships.

He went thru all 5 stages of grief before reaching acceptance. I watched. At sentencing, he asked the Judge for probation stating that he didn't want to see two lives lost. In fact, that is very often the case. Sister Helen Prejean has actually polled victim families and found that half of them do not want to see the murderers of their loved ones sentenced to die. It is the system of self promotion and hatred, and personal success among prosecutors that seeks the harshest punishment.

An utter act of selflessness and forgiveness. It's possible but only among the spiritually correct. Haters always reap what they sow. In the end, they receive a bountiful harvest.

490

Yes.  If I was convinced it was an accident.

I'd like to think I could forgive, too, but I can't know until I'm in that position. It's a shame that kid was killed, no matter how bad of a guy he was. I still believe the officer is getting off light because he's a cop, but I hope I'm wrong.

491

You said, " You know, one misstep I never thought the Obama Administration would make was a determination to insert itself into high-profile racially-charged situations (and to pander to his community activist sort of radical buddies). I just thought he was smarter than that."

You and a whole bunch of folks just didn't understand who BHO really was....and certainly, you over estimated how smart he was.

Now you know!

 

 

492

I don't know about hostile. For me, it means that I should just let them alone to enjoy their race-based paradise without any interference from me, especially my nasty-ass old honky dollars

Hostile is probably too strong a word.

Or maybe it isn't. Hostile in thought, rather than in deed. I mean, I'm not walking around scowling at every black person I see.

On the other hand, I'm extremely wary of any group that would support a malevolent, America-hating fuck like Obama in such large numbers.

Resentful, too.

But that goes for union types and smelly assed hippies as well.

493

An utter act of selflessness and forgiveness.

Wicked, I'm guessing you are the full week Christian, not just on Sunday morning?

I believe we forgive others for ourselves and our God, not for the guilty. I would hope I could do it in this situation. There was, however, no way the family (or neighborhood) in Oakland was ever going to forgive a cop.

 

494

Sure, he probably made a grave mistake in thinking he was about to tase the prone suspect. But, he didn't, and a young man died at his hand. 2 to 4 years for killing a person?

If it were your kid, would you be OK with this punishment?

 

Happens in Philly all the time.  I had a case where a man was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and received time served and probation.  Juries make questionable verdicts all the time, and Lord knows drunk drivers get almost no punishment for killing another driver.  Is it fair?  No, probably not, but life isn't fair and the American judicial system is the still the most fair on Earth.

495 Oilbama is not that smart. The beauty of that... is that he thinks that he is. And that arrogance will be his undoing.

The Wizard of Oz was eventually uncovered. You cannot run a con or a Ponzi scheme, or an agenda of hate forever...I don't give a shit how smart you are. The curtain eventually goes up and we will see a spoiled, emotionally confused man, failing and whining perhaps blaming and crying like the man child that he is.

That's how it's gonna end for this dude. He has no personal courage. I have great confidence in his ego.

496 If it were your kid, would you be OK with this punishment?


I'm not following your argument.

If you accidentally killed someone, say a motorcyclist while driving, would you want the motorcyclists mom to decide your punishment?

There is a reason why the parents don't get to sit on the jury nor decide the punishment. Mostly because their sense of proportion will likely be compromised by emotional stress, which would likely bias them to harsher than appropriate punishment.

497 There was, however, no way the family (or neighborhood) in Oakland was ever going to forgive a cop.

Victim's grandfather said he was fine with the sentence, but wanted an apology from the officer.  He should damned sure get one.

498

, I'm pretty sure the suspect was resisting arrest while being pinned against a wall by 8 officers who were kicking him" I do not want that man enforcing the law. I do not want that man carrying a gun under the colour of the authority of the State any more than I want the wicked little shits he's lying for doing so.

Eons ago I worked as a bouncer.  Had a guy who was 5'5" tall and 140 lbs soaking wet throw me over, not onto mind you but over a pool table.  There were 4 of us, we had him 'subdued" in as much as he was prone and we were all right there, one of us was even on his back holding him down.

I was the smallest bouncer involved at 6'2" and 275 lbs. This guy broke loose and threw all of us around like ragdolls.  Found out later he was all hyped up on a mixture of pcp and coke.

After that I gained a much better appreciation of events like this - most cops/security don't want to use excessive force, but it's not so black and white as to whats excessive - especially when you do guess wrong and either you or one of your fellow officers might well pay for that mistake with their lives.

499

Is the Party  who wanted to keep slavery having a Problem ???? The KKK  member in the senate  who died was 92 and was ok.. Why not allow the Black Panthers slide also?  Seems all the Democrates are good at is playing the Race card..  Did you know the KKK was founded By a Democrate. Lets not focus on the future and solve problems like the oil spill, the economy , health care ... lets Bring up "Old ghosts" to distract the public from the Fact that The current adminstration is made up of People who are Racist and believe in Socialism .. America ia "waking up " and the TEA party  is going to change things... You cannot legislate away the fact that America is tired of its Goverment ripping off. it;\;s people... If every body who lost their job in the past year got a gun and went to DC  They might get a clue.. But they live in a Bubble that the US taxpayer is about to Bust..  BYE BYE INCUMBENTS and democrates. Say your prayers and mabe the  fire will not be as hot for you when you die....

500

After living in South Central Los Angeles for five years, I realize how utterly impossible police officers' jobs are. I don't have the cajones to do what they do every day. Everyone hated them and were openly hostile towards them. Didn't seem the types to forgive a cop shooting one of their own in the back. Still surprised they didn't burn Oakland, and LA, down.

And yes, agreed, the US justice system isn't fair, no doubt. Money matters, race matters, connections matter. See: Holder.

501

 Sister Helen Prejean has actually polled victim families and found that half of them do not want to see the murderers of their loved ones sentenced to die.

I have personal reason for actually knowing many of these families. And many feel that prison is worse than death.

502 You guys are still way too apologetic for cops.

As I said yesterday: "You guys are overlooking the part that as an officer of the law - professionally trained with firearms and paid by the public to specifically keep it safe - he should be held to a higher standard.

He got off way to light. You guys would see that too if you took your cop-blinders off."

I know that cop-blinders line got many of your panties in a bunch, but what other explanation is there for your do-no-wrong attitude toward cops? And don't mistake this for sympathy of criminals; on the contrary, I'm upset that a government agent, supposedly trained to protect the public, instead shoots and kills an unarmed and subdued man.

In fact, as supporters of the 2nd Amendment, if we do not hold the professionally trained user of the firearm accountable for his gross negligence, liberals can spin this as "See! Guns are so dangerous even a professional can't be trusted with one!!!"

503

I still believe the officer is getting off light because he's a cop, but I hope I'm wrong.

Don't worry.  Holder is going to fix that.  Because he's a white cop. 

504

Malik "The Pigmy Zulu" Shabazz.used to be  one of Louis (Lois to his friends) Farrakhan's Black Muslim "soldiers", and now that little twerp claims to be "Jewish"??? That's hilarious. That boy has some issues of his own that need to be resolved. He one is one wild 'n crazy, mixed up, little guy.

As I recall, his real name is Percy (or something like that). No wonder he changed it to Zulu. 

505 Wicked, I'm guessing you are the full week Christian, not just on Sunday morning?

Gator, I am as spiritually correct as I can be. I cannot run around hating, taking everything personal. I let people live their lives. I gave up the victim idea long ago. Life is fair- brutally fair.

I accept that bad things happen. I don't seek vengeance, or get consumed with hate anymore. I sleep well at night no longer worried about some fuck you contest I got into with somebody...worried or planning how to get back at them later on. My ego still exists but I am quite aware of all the damage it is capable of causing. So I pause, and mostly STFU.

Thanks brother...I have always liked what you have had to say.

506

If you accidentally killed someone, say a motorcyclist while driving, would you want the motorcyclists mom to decide your punishment?

Of course not, and that's clearly not what I'm saying. I would expect to do more time than 2 to 4 years, though. Taking someone's life wouldn't be something I took lightly, and I would accept blame.

Would you plead not guilty to something you know you did in an attempt to get a ligher sentence?

507 but what other explanation is there for your do-no-wrong attitude toward cops?


I don't see this, noone here is saying the bart cop did no wrong. Take a chill pill dude.

508 Dread Pirate,

Seems to me what you're saying is that we should be able peer into the hearts of everyone who applies to wear a badge and spiritually vet them.

Totally unrealistic. Human affairs are so messy and imperfect because they are staffed 100% by... humans.

I believe all cops are dicks like I believe all priests are pedophiles, which is to say, not at all.

509

In fact, as supporters of the 2nd Amendment, if we do not hold the professionally trained user of the firearm accountable for his gross negligence, liberals can spin this as "See! Guns are so dangerous even a professional can't be trusted with one!!!"

That's why we end up with Supremes with Latina empathy, so much more nuanced and advanced than some cracker.

 I cannot run around hating, taking everything personal. I let people live their lives. I gave up the victim idea long ago. Life is fair- brutally fair.

I accept that bad things happen. I don't seek vengeance, or get consumed with hate anymore. I sleep well at night no longer worried about some fuck you contest I got into with somebody...worried or planning how to get back at them later on. My ego still exists but I am quite aware of all the damage it is capable of causing. So I pause, and mostly STFU.

Wicked, that should be embroidered and hung in every American kitchen. Always good to read what you have to say. I'm getting too serious, and will soon seek the shelter of 'gina hands and penis jokes, post-haste.

Thanks, my brother.

510 525 You guys are still way too apologetic for cops.

I never killed anyone. I came close three times. That included my wife's son who pulled a shotgun on me in an ugly standoff. I was blessed. No one died.

Let me tell you how it is. The worst nightmare a cop can endure is shooting someone. It is horrific. The outcry and pressure is intense. I've watched grown cops lying naked in their driveway, crying like babies. 95% of all cops who shoot someone, quit within a year or two. The stress is so intense it's mind boggling. I can't describe it to you here.

Please have a little forgiveness for something you do not understand. You must live that nightmare before commenting on it. As an administrator, I lived with that nightmare a couple of times. Most folks have no idea what it's like.

511

I know that cop-blinders line got many of your panties in a bunch, but what other explanation is there for your do-no-wrong attitude toward cops?

 

Oh yeah, most of the comments last night were very pro-cop and most of us agreed that this officer should be set free and given an apology by the courts and the victim's family. 

Wow.

512 I haven't been apologetic to the BART cop. I have excoriated him on this thread. I am going to have to walk through the fires of race hatred that he has sparked. It's getting ugly out there.

513

535 I haven't been apologetic to the BART cop. I have excoriated him on this thread.

 

Yeah, that was my sarcastic point.  Orlando must have been reading another thread with this "cop blinders" nonsense.

514 Would you plead not guilty to something you know you did in an attempt to get a ligher sentence?

If the charge of murder was on the table, and I honestly believed the death was an accident, I would plead not guilty. You can't pick and choose charges without a plea-bargain and I doubt the DA was willing to bargain knowing the debacle that would cause.

In either case, if someone ends up dead, caused by another person, it is either an accident, in which case they will plead innocent to murder, or deliberate.

If it was deliberate, the person either feels justified for doing it, or they don't.
If they felt justified they will plead not guilty because they don't feel they deserve murder punishment.

If they don't feel justified, then they are an immoral person, which means they will go for minimal punishment and plead not guilty so long as that is the best route.

Murder is not a law people practice civil disobedience over. "He just needed killin'" is not an affirmative defense. 

515 Like I said, I tried to be a cop once. Part of the reason I got in to music is because you can fuck up and nobody dies. Just your career....

516


95% of all cops who shoot someone, quit within a year or two. The stress is so intense it's mind boggling. I can't describe it to you here.


The person on the receiving end of the bullet could not be reached for comment.

517 Juries make questionable verdicts all the time, and Lord knows drunk drivers get almost no punishment for killing another driver.

Not in this State. A drunk driver who has a wreck with a death is hit with felony DUI and 25 years.

EVEN IF THE ACCIDENT WAS NOT HIS FAULT.

As for questioning the jury here, how can anyone who didn't sit through the trial question their verdict?

The cop was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of negligent manslaughter, not murder which requires intent to kill.

People may not like that finding but that is what it was. Hell, at least they didn't go all jury nullification the way the OJ jury did.

518

 I cannot run around hating, taking everything personal.

When I recently found myself being overconsumed by politics, I stopped logging on at breakfast and reading things that I knew would piss me off.

It was setting a very bad tone for the day.

Instead, I started taking my 4yr old for a walk right before breakfast. You want to talk about starting your day off right -- that kid jabbers my ear off the entire way as his imagination and curiousity run wild. Meanwhile, I just walk, take in the pretty sights, nod and smile.

Mostly I think about how much I love that boy, what a wonderful family I have and how blessed I am.

It rained today so we didn't go, which may just explain my relatively shitty mood today.

 

519

go all jury nullification the way the OJ jury did.

Guess who's 63 today?

520 Vic - I wasn't questioning the jury.  I was addressing the other "aggrieved" parties on this thread.  The cop haters who want Holder to overrule the verdict and give out a life sentence.

521

If the charge of murder was on the table, and I honestly believed the death was an accident, I would plead not guilty.

Agreed, and I'm ignorant on all things legal, so I'm sincerely asking. Since the jury convicted him of involuntary manslaughter, did that necessarily mean he had the option of pleading to that charge before the trial, or was the jury just given the option afterwards?

522

 Hell, at least they didn't go all jury nullification the way the OJ jury did.

Maybe Holder will reopen OJ's murder case with federal charges????

523

"But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves."

With good reason.  As cracker-ass crackers change from a majority to a plurality, it makes good political sense to be nipping closely at their heels. There's a whole lot of future in hatin' on whitey.

524 Don't burn me bro!

525 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 09, 2010 04:53 PM (zgZzy)

Sorry I wasn't clear, the last part of that post wasn't directed at you. Only the part about the felony DUI.

526 Vic - Oh, no worries.  My bad.

527 Agreed, and I'm ignorant on all things legal, so I'm sincerely asking. Since the jury convicted him of involuntary manslaughter, did that necessarily mean he had the option of pleading to that charge before the trial, or was the jury just given the option afterwards?

It was one of the cornucopia of charges that are associated with a case like this. From murder 1 down to inv manslaughter. If their is no plea deal offered by the prosecutor, which there likely wasn't, then when you go to court, you either plead guilty to all of them (and therefore accept the higher murder 1 punishment) or plead not guilty to all of them. At the end of the trial the jury gets to pick the one they think fits best, and in some circumstances, the jury may ask to consider a lesser charge not part of the indictment.

To answer your question. No, he couldn't just plead to inv manslaughter.

528 BTW folks when I lived in CA I used to go out partying with some of the guys from the OPD (mostly vice cops but a few of the regulars as well). I still communicate with some of them who are retired now.

They were some of the best people you would ever want to meet.  That was back in the 70s though and Oakland was vastly different back then. Hell you could walk from the Bart station on Broadway to Jack London Square at night and not fear for your life. 

529

Gotcha. Makes more sense when you know the facts...weird. Yep, the system worked, but the brothers just didn't like the outcome. Hence---->Fed charges.

Thanks for putting me some knowledge, Mike.

530 >I'm guessing the defendant was credible< No value added. That's why we have trials.

531

liberals can spin this as "See! Guns are so dangerous even a professional can't be trusted with one!!!"

They're going to do that anyway.  No matter what.  Just like the race card.  It's where these guys live and there's no getting away from it.  Just like all the violent Teabagger stories.  They don't exist.  But they are reported and we are judged just the same.

532 You seem to be a pretty good guesser. How about guessing me up some lottery numbers?

533

First off, let's dispense with calling the victim here a "kid".  That was no "kid"; he was a thug -- and wrongful as his death might have been I'm really not finding it in myself for feeling really bad that he is no longer taking oxygen away from more worthy people.  It would perhaps be an interesting question at this point to ask "just how many Black people were victimized by this "kid" before he met his end"?  So much for Mr. Grant as martyr to cop/white violence -- the dude was no saint and deserves very little pity imho.  He does not deserve any outrage on his behalf from the Black community -- he preyed upon that community, because he was scum and he likely wound up dead because he chose to be a thug, and in the process let's be perfectly clear here: thanks to the type of person he was he smeared the good reputation of how many Black people because he lived up to every bad stereotype, and even in death it's still causing problems.  Sad, but true (it's the same as my paesans who stuck up for Gotti -- what stupid bs; no self respecting Italian American should ever stick up for or whitewash the image of those pos thug leeches in anyway -- they don't deserve it and we should be especially happy when they are put away or wind up dead...this is the same thing).  Get over wasting emotion for people who don't deserve it.

Secondly, since nobody here sat on that jury we don't know what other testimony was brought forward that caused them to reach the verdict they did -- suffice to say that they did not find this case passed the test for a murder charge; there must have been something there that we are not privy to.  It is also worth noting that this transit cop did not exactly get off scot free -- which seems to get lost in the equation (and with this new bit from the DOJ -- well, imho, it does raise some double jeopardy issues, which is a breach of justice; that it is looking very much like race pandering/baiting makes it all the more odious). As to using this as a way of making our law enforcement better -- training our police better, better equipment, better tactics, better screening for fit for duty conditions -- well, that should be the take away, so it doesn't happen to a real kid. Maybe using this as an opportunity to finally say that we need to throw away the race card bullshit and start thinking ourselves Americans first and foremost, and well, agreeing that thugs are thugs, no matter what skin tone they are sporting and we should all do ourselves a favor and start thinking of ways to reduce their numbers -- that works -- and we need to have a better, more community integrated police force that "serves and protects" (which means we acknowledge and respect). But throwing a fit because of personal dislike of cops, over this, for what outcome (certainly won't be better relations between the cops and you -- and that could turn into a real problem down the road now couldn't it)?  That doesn't seem worth much to me.

If this means I have "cop blinders" on, so be it -- better that imho than having the opposite.

 

 

534 "See! Guns are so dangerous even a professional can't be trusted with one!!!"

Preach it, Brother!

535 The cop haters who want Holder to overrule the verdict and give out a life sentence.

Don't forget us "cop haters" who think this came down about right.

Look, I know I was pretty tough on the donut boys last night.  Understand that I'm a small-town and/or rural boy, and the dickhead factor goes up considerably with the cop/population ratio.

For what it's worth.

I ain't backpedaling, but I do hope folks know I don't think absolutely everybody with a badge is a shitstain.

536 Goddamn it.

537

Posted by: unknown jane at July 09, 2010 05:56 PM (5/yRG)

Jane, first, he was a kid.  A really, really, really dumb fucking kid, but 22 is a kid.  And he died in a situation where he shouldn't have.  That's just a fact, no matter how much of a leech this kid was.

Second, the cop fucked the pooch with incredible competence.  This was a fuck up for the ages.  "I thought it was a Taser" is an indication that Meserhle, also a kid, is A) none too bright, and B) about as well trained as my beagle that still shits on the carpet.

In the end, two dipshits, in conjuction with piss poor policies and training, came into interaction, with predictably tragic results.

Finally, the outcome was about right.  FootLocker would disagree, but involuntary manslaughter is the right conviction.  Meserhle does some time, and moves on.  Oscar Grant is thermally challenged, and doesn't.

Maybe we should make it our policy to keep dipshits away from each other...

538

At least the cop isn't hiding behind a wall of denial and self-victimhood.

His letter from before the verdict:

Mike -

Please try to get this message to the public:

I don't know what the jury in this case is going to decide, but I hope those who hate me and those who understand that I never intended to shoot Oscar Grant will listen to this message.

I have and will continue to live everyday of my life knowing that Mr. Grant should not have been shot. I know a daughter has lost a father and a mother has lost a son. It saddens me knowing that my actions cost Mr. Grant his life, no words express how truly sorry I am.

I hoped to talk to Ms. Johnson (Wanda Johnson, Grant's mother) and Ms. Mesa (Sophina Mesa, Grant's girlfriend and the mother of his daughter) in the days following this terrible event, but death threats toward my newly-born son, my friends and family resulted in no communication occurring. I hope the day will come when anger will give way to dialogue.

For now, and forever I will live, breathe, sleep, and not sleep with the memory of Mr. Grant screaming "You shot me" and putting my hands on the bullet wound thinking the pressure would help while I kept telling him "You'll be okay!" I tried to tell myself that maybe this shot would not be so serious, but I recall how sick I felt when Mr. Grant stopped talking, closed his eyes and seemed to change his breathing.

I don't expect that I can ever convince some individuals how sorry I am for the death of Mr. Grant, but I would not feel right if I didn't explain my thoughts as I wait for a decision of the jury.

Johannes Mehserle

7-4-2010

539

Oscar Grant is thermodynamically challenged, and doesn't.

Fixed for goodness.

Speaking of which, what ever happened to Entropy?

540

560 22 is NOT a "KID"!

I've got 2 adults younger than that who are deployed or getting ready to go (2nd tour, in fact).  I know plenty of people with adult children under 22 in the same boat.  I know 22 year old adults who go to work, or college, or are raising families the best they can -- not playing on the playground.  I know adults under the age of 22 who grew up under similar circumstances as Mr. Grant, and were going much the same way, and decided to take stock of themselves and quit thugging.  Those aren't "kids" and neither was Mr. Grant.

But enough people who give 22 yo. adults the "oh, they just kids" leniency will more than guarantee we will have more people just like Mr. Grant -- good job!

541 560 And by the way...you didn't read what I wrote too well; go back and reread.

542 Jane:

A 22 year old who has his pants around his hips is a kid.

A 22 year old with two years of training behind him in the military is not a kid.

Please forgive my failure to differentiate, because the difference is huge.

543

NO, the first one is an adult with bad clothing taste (unless he/she is a criminal, in which case he/she is a thug) -- there is no difference in the former or the latter other than their character and/or their life choices (which is also part and parcel of their character).

They both should be judged by the same damn standards -- unless you don't believe in our Constitution "all men are created equal".

Right back at you -- 'cause you're pissing me off with this!

544 565 and again, you didn't read all I had to say, go back and reread!

545 OK, Jane, I read the rest of your post.

I don't really think we have any disagreement.

Oscar Grant chose to be a thug.  True.  And he died as a thug.  We may disagree about how much chance a 22 year old black guy in Oakland has of being anything but, but that's small beer.

Meserhle fucked up by the numbers.  He got an appropriate conviction (when the judge gives him 18 mos. for negligent homicide, and then adds 10 years for a firearms stipulation, we'll talk again.  I expect it, actually, and it's sickening). 

I didn't come to start a fight, and I hope you know that.  I think the whole fucking thing is tragic.  Whether the "black community" in Oakland, whatever the fuck that is, can ever accept it as more than a chance to score some new Nikes is the real question to be faced.

I got no answers, just observations, and if somebody calls bullshit on those observations, I readily admit they have at bare minimum a 50% chance of being right.

546 Right back at you -- 'cause you're pissing me off with this!

Whoa.  Sorry.

547 I'd say that jury isn't a bunch of cowards.  I'm not so sure about Holder.

548 Right back at you -- 'cause you're pissing me off with this!

OK.  I get that better after a second thought.

You're damned right I wouldn't judge your kids, or mine, by the same standards, because they were raised differently.  Neither of us would have a 22 year old kid that behaved this way and bought a bullet in the back from the cop.  Agreed?  Cuz we would've shitkicked that venom out of them long before.

Just as an exercise, please understand that has not a damn thing to do with Oscar Grant.

Do I pity Oscar or his family?  Not his family.  I guess I admit to some slight tinges of pity for Oscar, because he was a dumbass black kid who grew up in a culture in which he fulfilled every iota of its requirements.  Do I pity Meserhle?  Yeah.  He fucked up.

They're not my kids.  My kids fuck up, no pity.  They knew better.  I would imagine you feel the same.

Call it the soft bigotry of low expectations.

549 Second guessing is the sport you can do in the comfort of your own home!

550

568  I know more than enough young, Black, White, or Hispanic adults who came from circumstances just as bad as Mr. Grant (Chicago southside, Harlem, Kansas Cty., and EStL are not exactly gardens of earthly paradise) who chose to either not be thugs or decided to quit thugging.  The only difference is they don't get any media time -- and they deserve it, because they decided at some point to be stand up people and decent human beings. At some point personal (or family, or both) responsiblity does come into play -- same as it does for everyone. 

I know plenty of suburban and trailer park rural boys and girls who are just as thuggish pos as Mr. Grant, and for whom I just can't find much empathy -- it all comes down to a person's character.  At some point you just can't make excuses for where a person is from or anything else about them.

551

571  Hey, I'll cut you some slack because you don't know me and my family background (and because you seem like the type of person I could sit and have a beer with the family, which makes me think I could like you all) -- living the thug/mobster life would have been really easy to fall into for my family, some did (Yale to jail, that's us; we have war heros and private school scholarship winners...and state super max inmates in my family) but some had enough in them to say "no".

At some point everybody has to decide for themselves what sort of person they want to be; unfortunately for everybody concerned Mr. Grant liked being a thug.  The only thing we as a society can do about that is to try and convince people who could turn out like Mr. Grant that it is probably a bad idea, but the choice is individual.

 

552 I know plenty of suburban and trailer park rural boys and girls who are just as thuggish pos as Mr. Grant,

I own one pair of shoes for church and seven pairs of boots.  I know these rural kids, and they turn out at an only slightly better rate than an inner city black thug.

I'm not sticking up for Grant.  I'd just ask people to look at this as more tragedy than some kind of justice.  There is no justice for anyone here, in any way.

I'm getting old and soft, I guess.

553 The only thing we as a society can do about that is to try and convince people who could turn out like Mr. Grant that it is probably a bad idea, but the choice is individual.

My dad preferred the belt until I was 13.

After that, the preferred motivator was a 2X4.

554 Sorry if I pissed you off, Jane.  Certainly didn't set out to do that.

555 Then again, I've pissed a lot of people off the last couple days....

556 we have war heros and private school scholarship winners...and state super max inmates in my family

I bet your traditional Thanksgiving Fight is something to behold...

Everybody's family is like that to one degree or another. 

557 Uh, we don't fight -- family is solid, even if the mobsters and thugs are let known that nobody approves of their bullshit and not to infect the rest of the family with their bullshit...and the ones who can't live with that; they get written off.  It's hard, but that's the way it is.

558 Is this the part where we kiss and make up?

Seriously, sometimes I know I don't understand others' family dynamics.  I was raised in a rock-solid family, as was my wife, and we try to hold the line at that paradigm.  It's hard as shit, but we're trained at it by upbringing.  I have no known relatives in prison.  (In the whole family, however, you're probably talking to the prime candidate.) Divorce is rare. 

I guess we're just lucky, and work hard at staying that way.  And it's true that we know it, and I guess I do have a bit of pity for those who aren't built the same way.

559 CTD;
Wow, I didn't realize you were on the jury for this trial. 

560

"But race is like catnip to these guys. They can't help themselves."

These criminal's entire lives hinge on their ability to exploit race.  To them it is as important as tools are to a mechanic.

Ring the bell and the dogs come running.

561

@433: "But the problem here is that your attributing the actions and statements of a subgroup onto an entire group.  Not all black people feel the same way nor would it be logical to assume they do"

Of course, when the "official" spokesmen for "black America" espouse and support those actions and statements, the attribution to the group is fair.  It's kind of like Muslims with Jihadis.  The Jihadis have claimed, rightly or wrongly, the mantle to speak for *all* Islam.  You don't hear too many Muslims saying "Whoa! That clown doesn't speak for me and mine!"  Likewise, guys like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, etc. have, rightly or wrongly, claimed the mantle to speak for American blacks, and you don't ever see anyone really refuting that claimed right.

562 Damn, I just wish I could have been in Oakland to grab myself a nice flat screen. I mean, what good is a race riot when you can't pinch a nice TV during the ruckus?

563

@533: "Let me tell you how it is. The worst nightmare a cop can endure is shooting someone. It is horrific. The outcry and pressure is intense. I've watched grown cops lying naked in their driveway, crying like babies. 95% of all cops who shoot someone, quit within a year or two. The stress is so intense it's mind boggling. I can't describe it to you here.

Please have a little forgiveness for something you do not understand. You must live that nightmare before commenting on it. As an administrator, I lived with that nightmare a couple of times. Most folks have no idea what it's like."

A number of the guys deployed at Ruby Ridge and Waco cut against your argument.  Of course, they were Feds, not locals.

564 Oh fer God's sake.

Gimme a break.  Please.

565

@537: "If the charge of murder was on the table, and I honestly believed the death was an accident, I would plead not guilty. You can't pick and choose charges without a plea-bargain and I doubt the DA was willing to bargain knowing the debacle that would cause."

Not completely accurate, at least depending upon the state.  Some states allow for conviction on "lesser included" charges, i.e., manslaughter when the defendant is charged with murder.  A relatively common defense attorney tactic is to move to have the "lesser included" charges dismissed in order to leave the DA with only the most severe charge, thereby increasing the likelihood of acquittal.  But absent a waiver/dismissal of the "lesser included" charges, you could still be convicted of a lesser offense.

566 This is getting creepy....

The jury spoke..  that should be the end of it.

He is dividing this country... along racial lines.  That never works out too well for minorities in the end. 

567

590  Doesn't work out well for anybody -- least of all a republic founded on individual freedoms.

I'm giving you a break Morgenholz...kiss, kiss, hug, hug, secret handshake and all that.

I'm freaking generous and nice that way, lol.

568 I know two women who have relatives who are cops. The shit they have to put up with is unbelievable and the thanks that they get for it is unremitting public criticism. One is a woman whose son was shot to death by a guy in a traffic stop who was an escapee from a jail. The other has a husband who was one of the cops involved with a drunk driver who ran a stop sign and ended up killing a father and two children. The public was focused on whether the cops were "chasing" the drunk driver rather than slowly following him, as opposed to blaming the drunk driver. Hell for the cops who had to go into the nearby trees and locate the bodies of the children because they weren't seat-belted. This friend cried at what the police were being put through.

569 Morgenholz is hopelessly trapped in the PC matrix.  His mental confinement has led to a kind of Stockolm Syndrome - he loves Big Brother now.  Don't confront him with anything but the most mainstream platitudes about any controversial issue, he long ago lost the ability to think for himself.

570 The point of all Obama admin "missteps" is to make the people split hard from each other.

Posted by: oblig. at July 09, 2010 12:32 PM (x7Ao

And the true patriots' job is to not be manipulated by them.

571

Of course, when the "official" spokesmen for "black America" espouse and support those actions and statements, the attribution to the group is fair.

But right off the bat you proceed from a false premise.  There is no spokesmen for Black America anymore than there is for White America or Hispanic America for that matter.  Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and their ilk are white, and they don't speak for all white people.  Do they speak for you?  Would you consider it fair if all blacks or all hispanics assumed that they did?

You don't hear too many Muslims saying "Whoa! That clown doesn't speak for me and mine!"  Likewise, guys like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, etc. have, rightly or wrongly, claimed the mantle to speak for American blacks, and you don't ever see anyone really refuting that claimed right.

Actually I've heard quite a few muslims, and indeed quite a few black people who have denounced the people you mentioned and reject their views wholeheartedly.  But are you going to see your average joe like this on TV?  Probably not.  Do you think the MSM is going to give any African American who disagrees with the individuals you mentioned one second of air time?  Think again.

 

572 Stuck On Stupid, you have chosen a very appropriate name.  You are apparently incapable of distinguishing trends and data from anecdotes and examples.  You think "BUT I KNOW THIS ONE GUY!!!" is a rebuttal to a statistical argument.  Stop denying what is right in front of your face.  Stop believing what you want to believe, and start believing what the evidence tells you.

573

#545: Maybe Holder will reopen OJ's murder case with federal charges????

You poor man.  It is not too late for you to finally come to the truth, but I warn you, cognitive therapy can be disconcerting, and it can take a very long time.

Now, as a first step, we must carefully address the delicate issue of "Santa Claus"...

574

It's beginning to look like Obama and his thugs like Holder have declared war on white people, and on an ever expanding variety of fronts.

Posted by: Just a thought, or two at July 09, 2010 01:15 PM (sYrWB)

They have, but it started long before their advent.  The are merely the foot soldiers.

575 120 Let's be honest too.  This guy was a BART officer, not a cop-cop.  More like a security guard.  I suspect it is easier to use cop and conjure up the required images that pertain to race relations using the word cop than to call him a security guard for BART.

Posted by: CDR M at July 09, 2010 12:53 PM (5I8G0)

Still reading through the comments but just in case this hasn't been corrected yet...BART police ARE real police.  They are real police officers specially assigned to the BART system.

576

 The stress is so intense it's mind boggling. I can't describe it to you here.

Please have a little forgiveness for something you do not understand. You must live that nightmare before commenting on it. As an administrator, I lived with that nightmare a couple of times. Most folks have no idea what it's like."

Well, as horribly sobby as that sounds, the many horrors of shooting someone still fail to compare to being shot by someone.

There is a time and a place to shoot people, but that is irrelevant to this topic, this thread, this case, this circumstance.

This was not the goddamn time.

And nothing - NOTHING - this cop winds up going through is ultimately as bad as what his incompitence did to that guy on the ground, and his family.

577 164
I don't owe some muthafucka whose family emigrated here from Nigeria in 1965 a muthafuckin thing.

Posted by: I pose for animal crackers at July 09, 2010 01:17 PM (uFokq)

Trust me, the Nigerian immigrant probably doesn't want anything from you.  But you don't owe anything to the black American whose forefathers have been here for generations either.

This is the most insidious part of what Obama--what the Left--has done.  Should tensions ramp up even further, no white person who thinks that all blacks are out to get him and his, who thinks that this black person is out to get him and his is going to stop me or my parents and ask us whether or not we voted for McCain or whether we're looking for "payback," or whether we're recent African immigrants.  Such a person will--rightly--play the law of averages.

Speaking of the law of averages, it should be obvious to those of you who think more clearly and think things through that Obama and his ilk are out to get black people too.

578 596 Stuck On Stupid, you have chosen a very appropriate name.  You are apparently incapable of distinguishing trends and data from anecdotes and examples.  You think "BUT I KNOW THIS ONE GUY!!!" is a rebuttal to a statistical argument.  Stop denying what is right in front of your face.  Stop believing what you want to believe, and start believing what the evidence tells you.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at July 09, 2010 09:24 PM (mg/vv)

This person stands as example of how Obama is sowing the seeds destruction of America.

579

I don't give a shit how much of a thug the guy was, this isn't how you deal with that.

It's not the cop's choice to decide who he accidentally shoots to death on the floor based on how thuggish he, or you, think he is. Especially if it really was accidental!

As much of a dipshit as he was, what if the security guards had SHOT TO DEATH the 'Don't taze me bro' kid? And he was making more fuss than this guy.

580

Peanut, why don't you just drop the pretense and tell us all what you really think?

 

581 Can you picture it?

A civil war: blacks vs. whites vs. hispanics vs. all others, with the drug smugglers--mostly Mexican--streaming over the open border to aid their ethnic kinsmen.  Hatred, suspicion, death...mostly for the blacks, since, with the aid of the illegals, we would become, by far, the minority (thank you, Margaret Sanger).

But in the chaos, guess who would come to the aid of the black Americans? That's right: our Muslim "brothers"--the ones who have been setting up camps like Islamburg for decades.  And the ones who Obama has been kissing and kissing and kissing up to for a year and a half. 

And most of the black population--ignorant of the decimation that Islamic "Civilization" has wreaked on black Africans and is still wreaking (Sudan and other places), ignorant of the fact that the Arabic word for 'Negro' is abd (slave)--will accept that help, and thereby seal their own OUR OWN re-enslavement and destruction.

Wake up black people and white people and all others who value the American Way of Life!  Wake up, Americans, and don't become Obama's tools.  There are enough of those already.

582 Entrenched tribalism will be the end of this country.

583 #17 BumperStickerist: I was watching coverage of the trial live. It was the very early days of courttv. They had Johnny Cochran doing commentary. Before the verdict came back he kept saying that he didn't think the DA was able to prove their case, it would be an acquittal or hung jury, and he explained why. People like Cochran and even Gloria Allred cd be quite entertaining and informative when they dropped the partisan bullshit.

584 The real interesting thing is how this plays out with Jerry Brown and Babs Boxer.

In 1991, this would have been a slam-dunk for them. Now, as they call for a Civil Rights trial for the ex-cop, most White voters are going to ... vote the other way.

People want JOBS JOBS JOBS, not endless pandering to non-Whites, in an apology that never ends, for segregation and slavery that no one alive had anything to do with.

Holder and Obama set race relations on a new track. Basically, White guilt over (some pretty horrible things, but very distant things) is over.

Call it the "new normal."

585 Let me add, talk of a civil war is stupid.

Middle aged, middle class White folks ... vote.

Violence and rough stuff is for Black Bloc, various rioters / looters as in the Rodney King riots, and ultimately the National Guard and the military if it comes to that.

Burn down Oakland, Detroit, what have you? Well, what then? You pretty much accelerate the end of Affirmative Action, in a White backlash voting.

Repeat: Middle Aged, Middle class people don't riot. They vote.

586 "25 I'm seriously wondering if our government is trying to start a race war Posted by: suqyq at July 09, 2010 12:14 PM (nLx2P) What's there to wonder? They're making it very clear. This has been the Weather Underground's goal for decades." Old Charlie Manson must be laughing his ass off. Helter Skelter indeed!

587 this is an unfortunate case.  but the fact is, it is highly doubtful that the cop intentionally shot this kid. think about it. the incident takes place on a bart station platform. there are people all around, watching, and openly filming the confrontation. the young man is not alone; he is with a group of friends. there are also many cops involved. based upon the fact that there are tons of witnesses, and people obviously filming, it is highly improbable that the officer simply took out his gun and shot this kid intentionally. why would he? what would be the motive? rapid racism? come on! it would have to be rabid racism and complete stupidity. i believe that the cop thought he had pulled out his tazer, and that this was all an accident. what is no accident is that we have a justice department that is hell bent on making up for injustices of the past by creating new ones, and that there are some in the doj that think it is time to stick it to whitey. it is also no accident that this stupid kid is dead, ultimately, because he did not obey police orders, and tried to resist arrest. if he had not resisted arrest he would be alive today.

588 Thank God this is just another isolated incident/ heavy sarc A little help here. Liberals hate America, correct? They vote for the most repulsive, America-hating candidates/ policies that they can find. I believe we all agree on that. So tell me. In light of the fact that blacks vote in lockstep with Liberals, why is it racist to say that blacks hate America? I figure you see it one of two ways: blacks do indeed hate this country - the non-racist, logically correct conclusion which, coincidentally, allows that blacks are fully capable of making choices, and should be held accountable for said choices...or: blacks are simply incapable of choice. They are easily "fooled" to remain on the "plantation" by evil White Liberals. That conclusion, which the majority hold, is in fact, the racist explanation. You can't have it both ways...

589 A little help here. Liberals hate America, correct? They vote for the most repulsive, America-hating candidates/ policies that they can find. I believe we all agree on that.

So tell me. In light of the fact that blacks vote in lockstep with Liberals, why is it racist to say that blacks hate America?


You can't have it both ways...

Posted by: JS at July 10, 2010 11:27 AM (c6OzM) 

When you start off with a faulty premise, everything else thereafter is error. All Liberals do not hate America.

590 "...When you start off with a faulty premise, everything else thereafter is error. All Liberals do not hate America..." Baldilocks In order to cover for black behavior, you are defending Liberals? Good one. The old unless every single member of whatever group you are referencing can be included, you can say nothing of the group. So 90-95% of blacks vote for policies that are America killing because? Because they love America to death? Or are they, once again being "tricked"? 90% of a group is still not enough for you? Unless 100% can be included, the point is moot? Really? You do realize that if we follow that nonsense, there can be no arguments/ conclusions, about any groups at all. Would you say that not all Conservatives love America? Hey, it could be. But ENOUGH of them display behaviors that most of us are comfortable saying that yes, Conservatives love America. Please explain why Liberals vote for America-hating policies and people, yet they do not hate America. The "they are stoopid, but they mean well" excuse is killing this country. Sorry, but refusing to see what is right in front of you is your problem. That style of thought is what allows every problem to become nothing more than an isolated incidence. No amount of anything will ever make up a pattern. It's why the islam problem will never be solved. You are allowed to recognize certain issues. But connect the dots? Nope...

591
In order to cover for black behavior, you are defending Liberals?






You're doing it again.

592 Do you know why most black persons vote for liberals?  Because many (even most) of us have been indoctrinated  by various means into believing that everyone who gives us something is our friend.  This has been observed over and over again by me and others more learned than me.  It's a calculated strategy.  So is the sowing of violence in this country.

Do you read about Gramsci? Alinsky?  Are you familiar with Cloward-Piven strategy? The platform of the Weather Underground?  Have you ever perused Horowitz's Discover the Networks site?

Try any of these and you'll begin to see what the Left's plan has been.  Don't be their stooge.

593 Sorry, but refusing to see what is right in front of you is your problem. That style of thought is what allows every problem to become nothing more than an isolated incidence. No amount of anything will ever make up a pattern. It's why the islam problem will never be solved. You are allowed to recognize certain issues. But connect the dots? Nope...






On the contrary, I've connected the dots quite well, thank you.  However, there exists more dots than you, sir, are taking into account.

594 The what?! I'm a stooge of the Left because I don't give blacks a free pass for their behaviors? Because I believe them to be in full control of their choices? Because I don't believe they, as a race, can be indoctrinated? It's great: in the case of blacks, you are encouraged to think as a racist would - to believe that they are simply not intelligent enough to make choices that would be for their better. That they (an entire race!) can be tricked, fooled, etc. To think otherwise - to treat them as autonomous humans, leaves you open to charges of racism. It's completely backwards thinking! No thanks to that. I give them full empowerment. And I take them at their word. You behave as you want, if you are human. Sure, some can be brain washed. But almost an entire race? I simply observe their behaviors, and judge them accordingly. The same way I judge any Liberal who is White; You vote for things that are marxist in flavor? Things that go against the grain of what this country used to be all about? Then you don't get to claim that you love America. America is ALL about the individual. It DOESN'T take a village! And unless you concede to the notion that you are intellectually inferior, you don't get to throw off responsibility for your actions the way a child can. As for the "sowing of violence" thing. You could have me listen to skinhead or KKK propaganda non-stop, and I would not resort to violence. Or repeat idiotic things like send em back to Africa, etc. You've made your point: blacks are not responsible for their behaviors. They simply, due to all the indoctrinating, are incapable of questioning motives, or considering other options. They do what they are told. Maybe you're right. But if you are, you lend credence to the racist notion of certain races being inferior. I'll consider it...

595

White people act stupidly......it's in our genes.  If you

don't believe me, ask any Shabazz you meet on the

street!

596 I'm a stooge of the Left because I don't give blacks a free pass for their behaviors?






You just can't help yourself, can you?  You're not a stooge of the left because you "don't give blacks a free pass for their behaviors."  I "don't give blacks a free pass for their behaviors" either.  That was your erroneous assumption as to what I meant.  Again, everything after a faulty premise is error and more error.

What I'm saying is that the state of affairs which this country finds itself in has long been planned. Most blacks,were kept ignorant and oppressed in the time period before what  known as the Civil Rights Era.  We emerged from that state ready to be real Americans.  Unfortunately, many of us felt that this government owed us something for our prior state.  Equally unfortunately, much of the government was run by the Left by then (McCarthy was right) and the Leftists in the government say an opportunity to make blacks their tools. They did this by various means--the most well know of which is are the Great Society programs.

The Great Society programs made it so that a woman need not get married, if she was having a baby.  And since much of black America felt it was owed something from the past, all too many women felt no stigma in bearing children and getting a check from the government.  (Couple this phenomenon with the parallel rise of another Leftist ideology: feminism.)

Take all that and what do you have? The destruction of the black family--were men are not needed and boy have no fathers.  If it is true that women are the civilizing influence of men, then it's obvious why too many black American communities are in a state of un-civility.

It is my belief that this destruction of blacks and stoking of old hatreds was planned by the Left.  That doesn't excuse black adult behavior at all--I try to help many black Americans see this historical time line also.

It's necessary to, as you say, connect all the dots.  But one needs to make sure one is in possession of all of the dots. You are the one who said that because nearly all blacks vote liberal/Leftist that they hate America, all I'm trying to do is give you a little bit of the history that you don't seem to know.

As the Left has stoked black anger for generations, now they are stoking white anger--you are proof of that.  Yes, blacks have been fooled by the Left.  All I'm trying to say to you, JS, is to not fall into the same trap.

597 Sorry for the typos.

598 You've made your point: blacks are not responsible for their behaviors. They simply, due to all the indoctrinating, are incapable of questioning motives, or considering other options.

The bolded-words come from your willfully erroneous inferences and, therefore, are your bad-faith assumptions. They do not logically follow from anything I said or implied.


They do what they are told.

Your words; not mine.

Maybe you're right. But if you are, you lend credence to the racist notion of certain races being inferior.

Since  you continue to put words and ideas in my mouth, I'm going to assume that the above is a conclusion you want to come to, regardless of what is said to you.  

Have fun being part of the problem.

599 Any chance that while he's reviewing stupid juries, he could review OJ's jury too? What a racist moron.

600 I'll end with this. Blacks have many choices available to them every day. They choose to vote with Liberals. You want to split hairs and ridiculously say that not ALL Liberals hate America, as a way of trying to end things? Fine. Have fun with your nuance. Me? I'm comfortable with the idea that if you vote for things that are destructive to America, you don't get to claim you love it. Blacks give birth to out of wedlock babies at an astounding 70+%. Another choice. It's disgusting, and again, explain how that behavior is good for, or suggests blacks love Am erica? I suppose the incredibly high rate of violence is also the result of some sort of brainwashing, or indoctrinating. You see a mindless, helpless race, that is not capable of getting out of it's own way. I see a race that makes choice after choice that says "F**k America" and "F**k Whites" Eric holder, who is not a street thug rapper type, and Obama come to mind. Obama is ruining this country based on his hatred for all things White and America. Another thing MOST agree with. Yet blacks approve of Barry in that same 90% range. It's really not that hard to see... Incidentally, how do you explain black run cities and even countries? Not going so well, huh? More "indoctrination" or it's as good as it's gonna get? Oh, and, I am angry. I am sick of the continued, and never ending attempts to placate, and come up with excuses for, a race that bites the hand that tries to help it. The continued attempts to view horrid behavior as nothing more than isolated incidents, rather than the obvious pattern that it is. But never fear. My anger is expressed through conversation. I will not be rioting in the streets anytime soon. I'll leave that to my "fellow Americans" It seems to come naturally...