1 With the majority of those in the D.C. beltway likely employed by Uncle Sam with average government salaries nearly 2x that of their private sector counterparts,

Well, when our dollars are worth half of what they are now, it will all work out.
/thinking like an elite

2 How in the world does DC get the term of "moshing"? Is congress the "mosh pit" now.

Will they do a wall of death?  I must be getting truly old because I have always thought that "moshing" was pretty damn stupid.

3
I never heard of Mark Penn, I don't think.

4 The tea baggers? Let them eat cake!

5 OT:  How to identify a meth lab.

6 All of the above talk of elitists and their divergent opinions leads Penn to wonder if the president really understands that he ainÂ’t so popular outside the beltway chatter box.

20% Funployment? You'd think these people would be thanking me.

7 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

8
Alls I know about 2012 is this: Unless we get a fantastic candidate in 2012, Obama will win every blue state that the Democrats won in 2004.

So it's gonna be a close race. That's why Obama keeps going to Indiana and Ohio. He needs both of them to win in 2012.

This makes it very simple for us in 2012. We make sure we win OH & IN.

9 One of the big problems that we face, is that instead of forcing government funded groups to compete, we've allowed them to work together to fleece the taxpayers.

We need to halve the budget. They want to keep the good times rolling. So, if we can figure out how to get the various leftwing interest groups to start fighting each other, and not the taxpayers, we will find our task much easier.

10 We make sure we win OH & IN.

and Florida.

11 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at November 23, 2010 04:54 PM (S5YRY)

UNPRECEDENTED clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet you tea bagger

12
yeah, we can't lose FL and NC, again

that shit was off da hook, yo

13 Case in point, Penn indicates some 70% of the beltway elites admit they really havenÂ’t been affected by our current economic downturn

I wonder how many voters know that while the private sector has been cutting jobs and not giving any raises while the government sector has been on a hiring/salary increasing tear since at least 2006?

14 Politico polled 225 "D.C. elites."

Who are these people exactly?

15 This is OT for sure, but I couldn't get it out of my mind, having just read it in Taranto's BOTW piece today, discussing how the libtards possible move to change senate rules to require a simple majority might play out . . .

Imagine a Senate split 50-50, along party lines, on the ObamaCare Repeal Act of 2013, with Vice President Marco Rubio casting the deciding vote.

Howzat sound, morons?

16
I'm predicting the 2012 results will be a carbon copy of 2004. The Republican [Mitt Romney] will get 51+% and Obama will get 48%.

17

@9: "So, if we can figure out how to get the various leftwing interest groups to start fighting each other, and not the taxpayers, we will find our task much easier."

Only way to get them fighting each other is to offer most of them more free shit, but leave a few out in the cold.  Best option: announce that 50% of lefty groups will get 100% more funding.  Each group must send it's top ten officers/directors to NYC.  Fight matched pairs at MSG.  Winners get funding, funding gets funded by pay-per-view and ticket sales.

18
What's this about Oregon's moonbat senator talking about tinkering with Obamacare?

19

I never heard of Mark Penn, I don't think.

He's the other half of Penn and Teller.

20 The Republican [Mitt Romney] Bite your tongue.

21 If we lose NC again, I say we go down there and confiscate all their hush puppies, slush puppies and pecan waffles. I should probably eat dinner.

22
He's the other half of Penn and Teller.

oh, alright. He's the big one who talks.

23 I wonder how many voters know that while the private sector has been cutting jobs and not giving any raises while the government sector has been on a hiring/salary increasing tear since at least 2006?

Damn few. *snerk*

24 So it's gonna be a close race. That's why Obama keeps going to Indiana and Ohio. He needs both of them to win in 2012.

This makes it very simple for us in 2012. We make sure we win OH & IN.

Posted by: Soothsayer with stuffing at November 23, 2010 04:55 PM (uFokq)

The more he goes to Ohio, the redder the state gets.

25 I'm predicting the 2012 results will be a carbon copy of 2004. The Republican [Mitt Romney] will get 51+% and Obama will get 48%.

In that case, I'm predicting the 2016 results will be a carbon copy of 2010.

26 The beltway elites are sheep in nice suits and are the last to see new trends. Soros, asshole that he is, says O' is toast. To make this work, he has to have cut a deal with the next best viable socialist, Hilary, and there will be something brought up about O' that will prevent him from running in 2012. Would it be cynical to think that there's some serious dirt on the Kenyan Boy Wonder that the MFM overlooked? Or the Clintons could come up with some horrible allegation and 'just make the SOB deny it' ?

27

@16: "I'm predicting the 2012 results will be a carbon copy of 2004. The Republican [Mitt Romney] will get 51+% and Obama will get 48%."

Given that Obizzle is almost sure to go with a RAHOWA campaign, I don't know that I trust your numbers.

28
well, when you allow people to start voting two months before the election, a lot of mischief can ensue.

They were voting in Florida several weeks before the election and it was so strange that the lines were extraordinarily long every single day for early-voting.

29 In that case, I'm predicting the 2016 results will be a carbon copy of 2008, I meant. And sock off.

30 RAHOWA? Can you get that at IHOP?

31
RAHOWA campaign

???

I have Acronym Interpreter Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).

32 Posted by: cali grump at November 23, 2010 05:04 PM (hL0k

Hillary! is less viable than a week old corpse.

Obama may not be much politically, but he has knifed her political future.

33 Moshing? I wanted to do the Time Warp again!

34 Obama may not be much politically, but he has knifed her political future. Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2010 05:07 PM (z1N6a) Clintons are like Hollywood slashers: Relentless, unkillable, and poorly dressed. Or something.

35

@30/31: RAcial HOly WAr.

He's been preaching it pretty steadily to blacks and hispanics for a while now, and slowing ratcheting up the incendiary rhetoric.

36
I have no doubt in my little cone-shaped head that ACORN was busing people around from all over the South (FL, GA, AL,) to vote in FL's early election.

37 Politico polled 225 "D.C. elites."

Who are these people exactly?

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at November 23, 2010 05:00 PM (e6xZP)

The Politico staff and the bartender at their favorite watering hole.

38

@32: "Hillary! is less viable than a week old corpse."

Um, corpses can win elections - at least in Missouri and California.

39

The Politico staff and the bartender at their favorite watering hole.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2010 05:10 PM (z1N6a)

And a TSA agent for balance.

40 @30/31: RAcial HOly WAr. He's been preaching it pretty steadily to blacks and hispanics for a while now, and slowing ratcheting up the incendiary rhetoric. Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 23, 2010 05:09 PM (xy9wk) I guess he could go the Marion Barry route: put on the African garb and talk about how the bitch set you up.

41

Alls I know about 2012 is this: Unless we get a fantastic candidate in 2012, Obama will win every blue state that the Democrats won in 2004.

Brown/Snowe  2012!

42 Clintons are like Hollywood slashers: Relentless, unkillable, and poorly dressed. Or something.

Posted by: joncelli© at November 23, 2010 05:09 PM (RD7QR)

I'll believe it when I see it. The Sec of State buried Powell and Condi, and that was with Bush who let them do something. All Hillary has done is generate earthquakes in New Zealand.  Obama handles the bowing and blundering himself.

43

@40: "I guess he could go the Marion Barry route: put on the African garb and talk about how the bitch set you up."

Hey, in my defense, all I wanted to do was to nut up in that trick.  She kept sayin' I had to hit the crack pipe before she'd let me tap dat azz. 

44 Brown/Snowe 2012! Posted by: RNC at November 23, 2010 05:12 PM (G9ZYW) Jesus Christ, it's the IHOP of presidential tickets!

45 "Brown/Snowe" One step down from Yellow Snow

46

@42: "The Sec of State buried Powell and Condi, and that was with Bush who let them do something. All Hillary has done is generate earthquakes in New Zealand.  Obama handles the bowing and blundering himself."

Maybe, but Powell and Condi were (or at least came off as) blundering dipshits.  Hillary has been *somewhat* insulated from that because she isn't allowed to do much.

47 Hey, Barack, don't touch my junk.

48 Obama is the chosen leader of our new lawyer aristocracy in Washington. We're just all fly over knuckle dragging neanderthals who should shut our mouths and accept the rule of our betters.

49
I know a lot of you don't like Romney, but I think he can easily beat Obama. I mean, all we need is someone who can do 5 points better than McCain, and Romney is a lot better than McCain.

okay, so if Mitt wants to win the nomination he needs to do two things:
1) broker a deal with Sarah for her support
2) make good on Romneycare.

He needs to explain it, denounce it, do something besides defend it.

50

@45: ""Brown/Snowe"

One step down from Yellow Snow"

Brown/Snow - also known as a Nutty Buddy.

51 Can someone please post the SNL Marion Barry skit.  Smoke was everywhere.  I can't find it.

52 Hillary has been *somewhat* insulated from that because she isn't allowed to do much.

The last candidate who was elected because he had been totally absent and ineffectual for the last four years was James Buchanan. Look how that turned out.

53

With the majority of those in the D.C. beltway likely employed by Uncle Sam with average government salaries nearly 2x that of their private sector counterparts,

Funny how no one on the President's Debt commisions talks about this little fact...

I got a great idea of how to help with the deficit... 25% across the board Paycut for any Non Military Federal Emplyee, who makes more than... oh.... $75K a year.

54

Maybe, but Powell and Condi were (or at least came off as) blundering dipshits.  Hillary has been *somewhat* insulated from that because she isn't allowed to do much.

 

Not doing much?  She hasn't been doing a damn thing except going as far away from this country as she can and hiding out until 2012.

55 I'm sure a lot of the Beltway folks are counting on the media to go into full protect-the-Democrats-at-all-costs mode...just like they did in 2008.  That's why they're confident Obama will be reelected.

56 The root problem is that a "beltway elite" exist in the first place.

57 I am pretty sure Obama wins 2012. So what then?

58 I'm sure a lot of the Beltway folks are counting on the media to go into full protect-the-Democrats-at-all-costs mode...just like they did in 2008.  That's why they're confident Obama will be reelected.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 23, 2010 05:23 PM (bvfVF)

And every other election since 1932.

59
What's gonna kill us are the stupid distractions such as CPAC and the gay group.

We can't allow the left to distract us and provoke fights within the party.

Nothing personal but if we waste one minute fighting over whether or not gopproud should be at CPAC we deserve to lose in 2012.

We have to stop falling for these silly distractions.

60 @41  That anything like Yellow/Snowe

61 I know a lot of you don't like Romney, but I think he can easily beat Obama. I mean, all we need is someone who can do 5 points better than McCain, and Romney is a lot better than McCain.

okay, so if Mitt wants to win the nomination he needs to do two things:
1) broker a deal with Sarah for her support
2) make good on Romneycare.

He needs to explain it, denounce it, do something besides defend it.

Posted by: Soothsayer with stuffing at November 23, 2010 05:19 PM (uFokq)

 

Nope.  We're definitely going to have to do better than Romney.  He's another ruling class type and that ain't going to fly this time.  I predict we'll see some good candidates by autumn of this next year.  

62 57 I am pretty sure Obama wins 2012. So what then?

Posted by: blaster at November 23, 2010 05:25 PM (MrMxG)

<We laminate our copies of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution and buy water filters.

63 Nothing personal but if we waste one minute fighting over whether or not gopproud should be at CPAC we deserve to lose in 2012.

We have to stop falling for these silly distractions.

Posted by: Soothsayer with stuffing at November 23, 2010 05:27 PM (uFokq)

 I didn't even know about this until you just distracted me. So much for 2012 now. Thanks a lot Sooth.

64

I am pretty sure Obama wins 2012.

He's got our vote!

65
I am pretty sure Obama wins 2012. So what then?

Plan B.

If it's obvious by the end of the convention we have a McCainesque dud for a candidate, then we need to pour all our energy, money, and focus and taking the Senate.

66

Nope.  We're definitely going to have to do better than Romney.  He's another ruling class type and that ain't going to fly this time.  I predict we'll see some good candidates by autumn of this next year.  

Posted by: Soona at November 23, 2010 05:28 PM (G9ZYW)

Getting blindsided by Huck doesn't make you feel confident of how he will face the real enemy. Similar for Rudy and his hide until Florida strategy. Either of them will have to do a lot of work to overcome those errors.

67 Another couple episodes of Howard Beale Kathryn Kuhlman Glenn Beck doing his "I found religion," "I was an alky," "8/28 makes me weep like a freekin' baby," "oooh, look out for Spooky Dude" act, and hooking up with them Beltway Elites is gonna sound pretty damn good.

Conservative commentators who make lefty idjits like Rachel Madcow and Pissy Chrissy sound sane, rational and normal are not a great way to spread the message.

Just sayin'.

68

That anything like Yellow/Snowe

Who stole the mar-jor-een!?!?

69 Posted by: MrScribbler© at November 23, 2010 05:31 PM (Ulu3i)

Too bad the elites won't let you in, huh?

70 A 63 seat gain is a loss.

71 Wonder if Obama gets primaried and loses he would run a write in campaign in order to not "disenfranchise" his peeps.

72 I don't want a Palin, a Romney, a Huckabee, a Pawlenty, or a Daniels. I would like a Jindal or a Christie, to me they would be the only ones that might actually shrink Washington. We have to starve the beast. I do actually like Palin as a person and a force in the Republican party, I just don't see her as president.

73 Too bad the elites won't let you in, huh?
Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2010 05:33 PM

That's why I'm a moron, dude.

74

Rest assured, my friends Sarah Palin is not going to run for president.

So, Drew, can you name a couple of Jindals or Christies?

Our bench is pretty thin; I can't think of too many viable candidates.

75 What's the word on Pence and his presidential hair?

76 Remember, the media won't just hype the Democrats...they will also hype the Republicans they want as opponents, which is how we ended up with McCain.  IE, someone that no one could really get excited about.  (I think that's why they're so livid with Palin - she nearly upset their carefully made plans.)

Both candidates in 2008 were members of the same party - the Media Party.

77 That anything like Yellow/Snowe

Posted by: Buford Gooch at November 23, 2010 05:27 PM (gozNQ)

 

But just think of the fun we could have with it.  We'd lose but it would be a laugh riot.  What up?  Buahahahahaha!

 

 

78 I am an elite moron, you peasants.

79 Still, Obama's numbers are better than Reagan's in his second year. DO NOT LET YOUR GUARDS DOWN. This will be a fight to the very finish.

80 Still, Obama's numbers are better than Reagan's in his second year.

Reagan's numbers were trending up, Barry's, not so much.

81
There might be a lot of fine conservatives out there who will make great presidents, but the ugly truth is we need someone with *some* name recognition.

The election is less than two years away and that's not much time for some nobody to become a household name.

82 The election is less than two years away and that's not much time for some nobody to become a household name.

One word:  Haley Barbour.

83

The election is less than two years away and that's not much time for some nobody to become a household name.

Posted by: Soothsayer with stuffing at November 23, 2010 05:40 PM (uFokq)

 

!!RON PAUL!!

84
I thought Pence was gonna run for governor of IN in '12?

If anything, I think Pence is positioning himself to be tapped to be Veep on 2012 ticket.

85 The election will hinge on turnout. Dems will always vote for the Dem regardless of candidate. Likewise for Republicans. Where the difference comes in is who can raise the enthusiasm to get their people to the polls.

If we wind up with Romney in 2012 it will be a repeat of 2008. The base will stay at home. In fact, we will probably turn a few more of those "Southern Red States" blue.

86 I have no idea if Palin will run or not.  My current thinking is she feels empowered doing what she is VERY good at,  which is bringing issues into the public eye.

And also,  because she is a private citizen,  she can say whatever she pleases about Obama and other nefarious types and there isn't anyone to answer to except herself.  I think that has been a net positive for her (and for us, as the left demonstrates their insanity when confronted with her).

I am just waiting to see who surfaces in the next 6 months.  We might be surprised at who are eventually the front-runners.

87 74 Other then Jindal and Christie themselves, not really. Possibly Pence but I don't know a lot about him and I would prefer a governor to a legislator. There have to be more out there that just haven't appeared yet. I worry that Romney will get it in a deal between the elites in the party and the moderates over the objection of the Tea Party and other conservatives. Romney seems like a statist and he still defends Romney-care. I wish they would stop putting these candidates upon us who seem to think government can fix every problem.

88 One word:  Haley Barbour. Posted by: toby928™ at November 23, 2010 05:42 PM

I'm thinking more of Christie, particularly if he can be paired with a solid VP candidate like Bolton or West.

Barbour sometimes talks the talk, but he isn't getting out in front of the public enough to make who and what he is clear. Besides, he looks like a DC Fatcat.

Seems to me some Looziana moron recently said Jindal is a terrible governor. From the outside, he seems more adept at whining than getting things done. From there, it's a fast slide down the list, past Romney, until you get to the slimy, smelly bottom of the tank where Shuckabee hangs out.

89

As soon as my Name Change becomes official, I will announce my Candidacy and run as a Republican...

 

Oh, and as soon as the paperwork is complete, my VP, Ms. Throwda Bums-Out (see, hyphenated name for the new age Feminazis) will announce as well.

90

One word:  Haley Barbour.

 

Good one.  And he's not a squish like Christie.  Bobby Jindl is another one.  Sarah could team up with either one of them.    I know, I know.  But Sarah's going to be in the game one way or the other.  Get used to it.  She's one of the leading individuals in the conservative/Tea Party movement right now.  She's a playa.  

91

Posted by: MrScribbler© at November 23, 2010 05:48 PM (Ulu3i)

Christie's great on Fiscal... but his stance on Amnesty for illegals, and Gun control, would kill him out West...

92

2) make good on Romneycare.

He needs to explain it, denounce it, do something besides defend it.

That's really it.  That's all he has to do.  And I think he has to do something that he thinks he can't: Admit he was wrong.  Or at least that he had reservations to begin with but it was better that he had done nothing.  That's what will kill him in the long run.

93 I'm thinking more of Christie, particularly if he can be paired with a solid VP candidate like Bolton or West.

Christie for President doesn't move me.  Too Northeastern.  Besides, he says he's not interested.

94 Start by cutting  25% of all of the Washington government work force and then we'll take another look. The duplication of effort non work must be enormous.

95 I think Lisa Murkowski's more in line with McScribbler's thinking.

96
In his book No Apologies I guess he explains how the Democrats ruined his original plan.

Okay, Mitt, then why do you still defend its existence?

97 Nothing personal but if we waste one minute fighting over whether or not gopproud should be at CPAC we deserve to lose in 2012. We have to stop falling for these silly distractions. Posted by: Soothsayer with stuffing at November 23, 2010 05:27 PM I don't think the majority of average voters even knows -- or cares -- about either CPAC or GOProud. So I wouldn't worry too much about any 'distractions' regarding that. The electorate is focused on fiscal issues. By NOV 2012, they're not about to go vote based on what happened with an irrelevant Conservative conference and an irrelevant homosexual activist group. The only people who care about CPAC are those who go to CPAC and political junkies. The average voter though could not care less.

98 Though I would like him to, I don't think Christie will run in 12. I know a lot of people considering him a squishy on illegals and yeah I don't like that either but right now we need someone who will handle fiscal issues. Christie tells it like it is when it comes to the finances in New Jersey and we really need that. On a side note I often find it funny that a fat guy like Christie is so kick ass when it comes to fighting his political opponents, whereas a big strong guy like Arnold turned into a completely useless pussy in California.

99 Posted by: Mr. None ofthe Above at November 23, 2010 05:51 PM

When Christie actually has to confront those issues, he might well change his views, if for no other reason than illegals and gun confiscation both consume vast amounts of money.

I hope he simply wakes up and sees that he's on the wrong side of the fence here.

And I still think Barbour is an inside-the-Beltway kind of candidate -- red meat for political junkies, but just another on-the-take Southern Blowhard to the masses.

100 I often find it funny that a fat guy like Christie is so kick ass when it comes to fighting his political opponents, whereas a big strong guy like Arnold turned into a completely useless pussy in California.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 23, 2010 05:58 PM (R8S84)

 

You got that right.

101 The election will hinge on turnout. Dems will always vote for the Dem regardless of candidate. Likewise for Republicans. Where the difference comes in is who can raise the enthusiasm to get their people to the polls. Posted by: Vic at November 23, 2010 05:45 PM Yep. And unless we get a good conservative candidate who energizes the base, we'll be looking at 2004 (only in reverse) all over again. In 2004, there was a lot of BDS that energized the Democrat base, but not enough enthusiasm for Kerry. And regardless of any problems conservatives and the GOP base had with Bush, they sure as hell did not want Kerry. So we rallied behind Dubya. I can see the same thing happening in 2012. If the GOP nominates their version of John F'in Kerry to run against Obama, I think Obama will win. He'll have his machine in place, he'll have the MF-ing media on his side and all the GOP will have is the anti-Obama vote, but will be lacking the pro-(GOP candidate) vote. So the key to defeating Obama in 2012 starts with a good conservative GOP candidate. Everything else will fall into place after that. But screw up in choosing a candidate, and it will be an almost impossible uphill battle in defeating the Obama/MF-ing machine.

102 "For the tea party movement is something that clearly isn't going away, not when it can be credited with the GOP taking back the house."

The Tea Party hurt the GOP. We would have won more if all those backwater kooks didn't act all degrees of knuckledraggedy. Besides, we'll co-opt them and make them a fad. I believe that's in the bylaws.

103 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 23, 2010 06:04 PM

The other key, IMO, will be to tell the friggin' truth about Osama Obama, and be relentless about it.

Paint the incompetent, treasonous sunumbitch as what he is, and no more "he's really a good guy" shit like we heard in '08. Every-damn-thing about the Mohammedan Mouthpiece should be laid out in as much detail as possible.

104

Posted by: MrScribbler© at November 23, 2010 06:14 PM (Ulu3i)

Word.

105 One day I'd like to meet John McCain just to say I've come to the conclusion that there is something to fear from an Obama presidency after all.

106

Liz Chaney / Carly Fiorina.  Liz gets the whole Conservative with a healthy chunk of Independents, and Carly can bring the west coast.  Get Palin on board with this (maybe promise her Secretary of Commerce, or maybe HHS) and turnout will not be a problem. 

107

Samrt as Liz is... she is part of the inside Washington crowd for Repbulicans... and she has never held an elected office, or ran anything... no executive experience...

And Carly did not even win for herself in California... and is not a great candidate for the rest of the West...

 

What is really needed is a strong, bluff spoken no holds bar'd Asshole to run... a more conservative Christie....

Gloves just need to come off...

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