March 15, 2010
— Dave in Texas Actually I don't think it's a problem at all really, it's not the facts that surface from the story, it's the telling of the tale that accomplishes its purpose.
Still, dude.
Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece of President Obama’s push for health care reform, will not lose her home over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her told FoxNews.com.Though Canfield’s sister Connie Anderson said her sibling is afraid she’ll lose her house and Obama warned at an Ohio rally Monday that the patient is “racked with worry” about the cost of tests and treatment, she is already being screened for financial help.
Lyman Sornberger, executive director of patient financial services at the Cleveland Clinic, said “all indications” at the outset are that she will be considered for assistance.
“She may be eligible for state Medicaid … and/or she will be eligible for charity (care) of some form or type. … In my personal opinion, she will be eligible for something,” he said, adding that Canfield should not be worried about losing her home.
“Cleveland Clinic will not put a lien on her home,” he said.
Funny how he screws up "need health insurance right now" when he meant "need health insurance reform right now". Stupid TOTUS.
I don't think Obama's team is so dumb they don't know this. They just don't care. She's a prop.
Think about that context. The current "system" cares a hell of a lot more about Natoma's well-being than Obama does.
h/t Carin, or Car in. The space means something but I'm an idiot and I don't remember things so good.
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I was related how someone was not denied service, but was billed becuase she forgot here insurance card. So, hey let's take over 1/6 the US economy. The idiots are in charge.
Posted by: Mike H at March 15, 2010 06:41 PM (zqzYV)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 15, 2010 06:43 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2010 06:50 PM (eDLXV)
Why do they insist that there is a one size fits all solution (bigger gubmint) to all these specific individual problems?
Posted by: Chesty Puller at March 15, 2010 06:51 PM (hyvSd)
Posted by: mghorning at March 15, 2010 06:51 PM (9tt2f)
Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2010 06:56 PM (UERLl)
Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2010 06:57 PM (UERLl)
“She may be eligible for state Medicaid … and/or she will be eligible for charity (care) of some form or type. … In my personal opinion, she will be eligible for something,” he said, adding that Canfield should not be worried about losing her home.
“Cleveland Clinic will not put a lien on her home,”
That's all good and well, but what would have happened had she not shown up in Obama's speech?
“Cleveland Clinic will not put a lien on her home,”
Great, but what if she was getting treatment somewhere else? Not all cancer treatment facilities are that magnanimous, and even if they were, the money is still coming from somewhere. The only real discussion we are having at this point is: does the cost come from column "A" or column "B".
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 15, 2010 06:59 PM (F09Uo)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 15, 2010 07:02 PM (JPFLH)
Every single one.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at March 15, 2010 07:03 PM (e2Npe)
Posted by: mrcaniac at March 15, 2010 07:04 PM (Vol3D)
Posted by: Janemarie at March 15, 2010 07:07 PM (3GUrQ)
Posted by: comatus at March 15, 2010 07:07 PM (/VEEI)
The broader concept applies outside the military as well in all aspects of daily life. Obama is using human shields. Most slimy politicians do.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 15, 2010 07:10 PM (Wj4bl)
Posted by: The Sanit Inspector at March 15, 2010 07:11 PM (ykuYp)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 15, 2010 07:19 PM (JPFLH)
Obama has an anecdote for all that ails you.
Posted by: kansas at March 15, 2010 07:21 PM (34yXu)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:21 PM (HzNcF)
Posted by: rawmuse at March 15, 2010 07:23 PM (f8RLN)
Remember Harry Reid's little friend "Timmy" (or whatever) whom he said was "scared" during the Shamnesty debacle? What a load of bullcrap.
These motherfuckers always "find" - ie, INVENT - some weepy imaginary friend to torture us with while they pick our pockets and fuck up our nation.
And we are supposed to listen to this drivel like idiot children....
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:28 PM (HzNcF)
Posted by: KilltheHippies at March 15, 2010 07:29 PM (VKfXw)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:29 PM (HzNcF)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:33 PM (HzNcF)
Posted by: Dr. Bugnuts at March 15, 2010 07:33 PM (r0u40)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:36 PM (HzNcF)
I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why the Senate Republicans want to keep her, a diabetic, club-footed, cancer-stricken, cleft-lipped, hermaphrodite with lyme's disease, from getting health insurance. I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessnes were just too much.
I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words - nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore..."
When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, "Daddy" she said, "why are the Republicans doing this to the country?" Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.
True story.
Posted by: CheChe at March 15, 2010 07:38 PM (EW49d)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 15, 2010 07:40 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: eman at March 15, 2010 07:41 PM (xJwcz)
True story.
Posted by: CheChe at March 15, 2010 11:38 PM (EW49d)
As a concerned life-long republican, I want to tell you how concerned I am about your daughter, and all the daughters that us life-long republicans are so concerned about.
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 07:41 PM (HzNcF)
If we don't pass Obamacare, I will continue to spew my vile stupidity on MSNBC.
And I don't think anyone wants that, do they?
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at March 15, 2010 07:43 PM (EW49d)
Posted by: eman at March 15, 2010 07:45 PM (xJwcz)
Posted by: KilltheHippies at March 15, 2010 07:47 PM (VKfXw)
Posted by: eman at March 15, 2010 07:49 PM (xJwcz)
You bastards. You slimy bastards. If only you hadn't delayed Obamacare....
I fucking hate you all.
Posted by: Peter Graves at March 15, 2010 07:51 PM (EW49d)
I don't think Obama's team is so dumb they don't know this. They just don't care. She's a prop.
Beg to disagree who is the "prop" here.
As much as we all enjoy our mid and high school history lessons and those ancient tales of jack-booted thugs, authoritarians, genocidal madmen, etc. Some stories so ancient that they seem to date back to our own Grandparents recollections...
The "prop" here is "health insurance reform".
Our own ancient Grandparents would see this as it were yesterday; with half denouncing it as an obvious enslavement of 1/6th the population with a boot on the neck of the rest; with the other half of our Grandfathers demanding their share of the greedy filthy rich jew's ill gotten gain.
Barry know his community organizing.
Posted by: Druid at March 15, 2010 07:52 PM (Gct7d)
Posted by: unknown jane at March 15, 2010 07:55 PM (5/yRG)
Did anyone else see Nightline tonight? I would have sworn that they used stock footage to make it appear that BamBam had a larger crowd today than was reported on the Conservative sites. I heard that he was lucky to get 200 folks today, but they were showing scenes from a high school gymnasium. It sure looked like 2 different crowds.
They wouldn't do something underhanded like that, would they? I mean, they wouldn't be trying to make it look like little Barry isn't losing his touch, right?
Oh wait...
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 15, 2010 07:58 PM (PTUpr)
Posted by: KilltheHippies at March 15, 2010 08:00 PM (VKfXw)
appealing to sentiment to persuade doesnt work -
see 'the art of war'. and oh yeah -
Our we mixing DPS and None DPS row's, and who is the watch dog?
?
Posted by: Otis Mathis at March 15, 2010 08:04 PM (8QNN9)
In other words, ObamaCare is just one vote shy of defeat in the House… with 70 votes still up for grabs. We must win over one more Democrat — before they win over 70: If Democrats lose even one more congressman, the bill dies.
Actually, what I really took solace from was the realization that it's actually worse for Pelosi and the Demoncrats that so many House Members have not announced their vote; because Pelosi can't tell which of the 70 need to be bribed.
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 08:04 PM (TFs5o)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 15, 2010 08:08 PM (JPFLH)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 11:33 PM (HzNcF)
Does anyone here know what role the AMA plays in the number of med students admitted and the number of accredited med schools there are in the U.S.?
If you are working this problem from a supply and demand standpoint, I'd think about that first.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 15, 2010 08:14 PM (F09Uo)
Posted by: Contributor X at March 15, 2010 08:16 PM (UsHD8)
Posted by: Hussein at March 15, 2010 08:19 PM (5I0Yr)
You can stuff Osama Obama in a Louis Vuitton bag, but we Invisible Rabbits need gubmint assistance too, and we breed! Like rabbits, y'know....
And unlike Democrats, who shit on everyone, we leave tiny pellets behind.
Posted by: Harvey at March 15, 2010 08:22 PM (HVU/R)
Posted by: Metaphorsinablender at March 15, 2010 08:23 PM (iGCmo)
Here's the rest of the story. This woman is now in her 50's. She was diagnosed in her 30's. She either quit or was laid off her job and has been unemployed for 12 years. The house she is so worried about losing was her parents. It's a mystery to me how someone can be without gainful employment for 12 years and not have lost the house long before that.
She was unemployed for 12 years but managed to make 5,000$/year in health insurance payments. When it went up to $8,000/year, she dropped it.
The human prop is somewhat of a sham.
Details at gateway pundit.
Posted by: koz at March 15, 2010 08:24 PM (RpKLP)
Posted by: ObamaCare Failure Speech Excerpt at March 15, 2010 08:32 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 15, 2010 08:35 PM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 08:41 PM (TFs5o)
Why can't someone just ask the Indonesian Imbecile what the "profit and earnings ratios" of the private health insurance companies are, and what they would be with premiums reduced 3000%?
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 08:41 PM (A46hP)
Posted by: rawmuse at March 15, 2010 08:43 PM (f8RLN)
16 55 Going with what dagney says in #12 - I heard again today that 44,000 uninsured people die each day in America..blah blah blah.
Can we talk?
44,000 people dying a DAY would mean that 16 MILLION Americans die every year from being uninsured.
Yes, the Obamacare zealots are idiots. But the (stupid and bogus) Harvard study where the 44,000 number came up claimed 44,000 per year.
Lets not take stupidity to the nth power.
Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2010 08:45 PM (eDLXV)
And remember that piece of shit bill they're talking about won't go into effect until, what, 2013. Which means that chances are this lady will be gone from this world way before the bill even takes effect.
Posted by: experience smeperience at March 15, 2010 08:52 PM (8mpdw)
44,000 people dying a DAY would mean that 16 MILLION Americans die every year from being uninsured.
Meh. Numbers are meaningless to leftists ... and The Precedent can't understand much past three digits, himself. Heck, what's the difference whether 10,000 died in the tornado or just 12? It's just numbers ... 'They cut your feet off for "30,000 ... 40,000 ... even $50,000" - because they get paid on time for that' ... what's the big deal if it's only around $1,000? They're just numbers. Don't be so culturally oppressive. Empathy is what matters ... not numbers ... not laws ...
Yes, the Obamacare zealots are idiots. But the (stupid and bogus) Harvard study where the 44,000 number came up claimed 44,000 per year.
Posted by: effinayright at March 16, 2010 12:45 AM (eDLXV)
That's around the same number who die on the roads. Government drivers for everyone! Only the government can be trusted with the responsibilities of driving!
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 08:53 PM (A46hP)
Posted by: Geekert Mapplethorpe at March 15, 2010 08:55 PM (OaRvZ)
44,000 people dying a DAY would mean that 16 MILLION Americans die every year from being uninsured.
Meh.
Numbers are meaningless to leftists ... and The Precedent can't
understand much past three digits, himself. Heck, what's the
difference whether 10,000 died in the tornado or just 12? It's just
numbers ... 'They cut your feet off for "30,000 ... 40,000 ... even
$50,000" - because they get paid on time for that' ... what's the big
deal if it's only around $1,000? They're just numbers. Don't be so
culturally oppressive. Empathy is what matters ... not numbers ... not
laws ...
Yes, the Obamacare zealots are idiots. But the (stupid and bogus) Harvard study where the 44,000 number came up claimed 44,000 per year.
Posted by: effinayright at March 16, 2010 12:45 AM (eDLXV)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 08:55 PM (A46hP)
" But the (stupid and bogus) Harvard study where the 44,000 number came up claimed 44,000 per year. "
And 20 bucks says they would have died anyway even if they had health insurance. People die. It's what we do.
Posted by: experience smeperience at March 15, 2010 08:55 PM (8mpdw)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 08:56 PM (A46hP)
"44,000 people dying a DAY would mean that 16 MILLION Americans die every year from being uninsured. "
Which would explain why we're making the point that if this were the case, why no need for urgency.
"Lets not take stupidity to the nth power."
You do realize I was quoting liberals, right?....not quoting what I perceive to be actual facts. But...thanks for the "talk".
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 15, 2010 08:59 PM (JPFLH)
http://tinyurl.com/yc9q6dg
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 09:07 PM (TFs5o)
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Posted by: Anachronda at March 15, 2010 09:18 PM (LD+ZJ)
Quick, everybody, itÂ’s presidential quiz time! In this momentous week of historic proportions, hereÂ’s your pop quiz to see if youÂ’ve been paying attention.
Ready? Here we go! Just fill in the blanks:
President _______, a former professorÂ… insisted he alone represented all the people. However, he was often seen as arrogant and was criticized for moving too far ahead of popular opinion. President ________ tried to build a popular mandate for ___________ by going on a nationwide speaking tour.
Fareed Zakaria: “It was too little, too late. After president ________ had been unconcerned about public opinion, unconcerned about the senate’s opinion, he then goes on this last desperate attempt to rally the public. But in many ways the public felt he hadn’t been talking to them… The senate was incensed that he was trying to do an end-run around them, and so the whole thing collapsed in failure.
“President ____________ is a perfect example of a leader who perhaps was too aloof and too determined he going to lead, (and) forgot he had to take the country with him.”
Ok, how’d you do? Did you guess “president Wilson” and “America’s entry into the league of nations?” Great, you got it right!
If you guessed “president Obama” and “healthcare reform,” they stay tuned and see if history repeats itself.
The above was taken verbatim from:
Mandate: The President and the People
Narrated by veteran CBS News correspondent Lesley Stahl, Mandate examines the long and complex relationship between the presidency and public opinion. Leading historians, political scientists, and public figures offer insight into presidents and the presidency from George Washington through FDR. Length: 35 min. 2005. A project of the Annenberg Foundation Trust.
Posted by: Pike Place Pete at March 15, 2010 09:22 PM (MzTRc)
If media-prominent Republicans will emphasize that single crystallized point, the political pressure on wavering Democrats in the House to vote no will increase enormously. Factually, the bill legislates massive new taxes on personal incomes and on medical devices and services: all of which go into effect immediately upon the bill's passage. RAISING TAXES DURING A RECESSION will obviously hurt the economy. (Which is why Democrats have not dared attempt a tax increase despite controlling both chambers of congress.) So as unpopular at this ugly bill already is, it can be made much more so with simple clarion emphasis regarding what is sure to be its immediate destructiveness to the American economy.
The American people already hate what the bill stands for (the rotten substance of the bill) as well as they hate the corrupt process that has produced it. Now it needs to be branded into the national psyched that the passage of the bill will straightaway cause personal financial harm to everyone. The ball game will be over if Republicans will simply apply immense pressure to that one crippling point. (They can use the new CBO numbers coming out on the reconciliation/fix-it bill as a fresh predicate to sound the alarm.) There is simply no way Pelosi can secure wavering votes in the House if the Republicans drive home the message that this bill is instant poison to our ailing economy. Imagine multiple variations of the following sound bite issued from Republican after Republican: "If the Health Care Takeover Bill becomes law, our taxes immediately go up, and it will make of the worst recessions we've ever experienced much worse. Everyone knows you don't raise taxes during a recession."
Note that this is not the same as arguing that the added deficits this bill is certain to generate will be unsustainable in the long run. That's the "Generational Theft" message which has been lucidly conveyed and has resonated with the American public.- Severe concern has been raised... about the future. But the argument that the bill will also do serious harm to TODAY'S jobs and to TODAY'S fragile economy has yet to be forcefully made. - And this is the checkmate move that needs to be made here at the endgame this week.
Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2010 09:39 PM (dYwM1)
Obama's plans for health care make Mega-shark's air liner attacks look practical. This is the problem with electing bullshitters who have never actually done ANYTHING at all ever during their lives.
Posted by: Have Blue at March 15, 2010 10:26 PM (mV+es)
Sit and take it and hope that a spineless repub party can do anything to block this (their records sure looks good on this stuff, heh)? Then another nail in this country's coffin.
How many more bills, stakes in the heart can this country take?
And the bonus question that usually gets rode out of thread on a rail.
When does this mean actual, unmitigated war-to save this country if that is even possible at this point? And for that matter, would a war just accelerate the inevitable?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: jlfintx at March 15, 2010 11:13 PM (XIdMo)
http://tinyurl.com/yc9q6dg
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 16, 2010 01:07 AM (TFs5o)
That's a pic of the Wicked Witch and her poisoned apple. We're meant to be Snow White in this story.
On the topic headline..
Another prob with tugging at heart strings by politicos. I know I'm not the only one to have the knee jerk reaction of "hey boyo, I ain't your punk. Keep trying to play me and it's knuckle sandwich time."
Posted by: Grimmy at March 15, 2010 11:22 PM (yGyzx)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 16, 2010 12:18 AM (EVoH+)
why can this ahole post 20 lines of links but i get busted for posting a single tinyurl?
Operator error?
Posted by: peanut gallery at March 16, 2010 02:01 AM (EVoH+)
Every single one.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at March 15, 2010 11:03 PM (e2Npe)
Are you callin' me a liar, boy? Goldangit after I get through makin' new rules to run roughshod over the Constytution, I'm gonna forgo mah dip in the cement pond and go find mah constititent who's usin' her kin's false teef and make a double-dog fool outta you. Then we'll see who's the smartypants.
Posted by: Louise Slaughter (Hick-NY) at March 16, 2010 03:18 AM (ZxEhm)
Posted by: Mjim at March 16, 2010 04:09 AM (V8B//)
Posted by: Homer J. Burns at March 16, 2010 04:10 AM (SwkdU)
Good Morning Morons;
Fox is reporting thismorning two versions of the spin on healthcare. Obama and his commie minions are spewing that they have the votes and will vote on it this week. Meanwhile someone else came on from the other side and said they only have 200 out of the 216 needed.
Who is right? Well as I have been saying for months, when they have the votes they'l vote.
Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 04:23 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Jeff at March 16, 2010 04:23 AM (HScbI)
That's all good and well, but what would have happened had she not shown up in Obama's speech?
“Cleveland Clinic will not put a lien on her home,”
Great, but what if she was getting treatment somewhere else? Not all cancer treatment facilities are that magnanimous, and even if they were, the money is still coming from somewhere. The only real discussion we are having at this point is: does the cost come from column "A" or column "B".
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 15, 2010 10:59 PM
From their website...Cleveland Clinic is committed to providing world-class care to all patients regardless of ability to pay. Under its policies, Cleveland Clinic provides financial assistance to patients who do not have insurance coverage and who have family income levels up to four times the Federal Poverty Income Guidelines.
Patients who have insurance but still need assistance in payment for their medical services are also eligible for consideration.
This program is in addition to any patientÂ’s entitlement to free hospital care under the Ohio Hospital Care Assurance Program and includes Cleveland Clinic physician services. In the year 2005, the cost of hospital and physician charity care provided by the Cleveland Clinic Health System exceeded $100 million.
Posted by: Deanna at March 16, 2010 04:23 AM (JXlgX)
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Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 04:49 AM (2APed)
I got an idea,
Let's raise the abortion age from zero to 120. If you surpass your Obamacare allottment of say, $3k a year, you get in the abortion line then the government gets the OTHER 50% of your estate to pay for more abortions.
DO THE MATH PEOPLE, this WILL work.
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Death and taxes are the only sure things in this world.
And the Dems are going to raise the tax rate & the death rate with just one bill. Unprecedented.
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He must be insinuating that we must act now or she will die.
Hey. I say we call her bluff.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 15, 2010 06:40 PM (r1h5M)