January 28, 2010
— DrewM First the Himalayan glaciers and now this.
Which is less credible...Obama's new found desire to restrain spending or the IPCC's scare mongering?
In the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), issued in 2007 by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), scientists wrote that 40 percent of the Amazon rainforest in South America was endangered by global warming.But that assertion was discredited this week when it emerged that the findings were based on numbers from a study by the World Wildlife Federation that had nothing to do with the issue of global warming -- and that was written by a freelance journalist and green activist.
The IPCC report states that "up to 40 percent of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation" -- highlighting the threat climate change poses to the Earth. The report goes on to say that "it is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems ... such as tropical savannas."
But it has now been revealed that the claim was based on a WWF study titled "Global Review of Forest Fires," a paper barely related to the Amazon rainforest that was written "to secure essential policy reform at national and international level to provide a legislative and economic base for controlling harmful anthropogenic forest fires."
EUReferendum, a blog skeptical of global warming, uncovered the WWF association. It noted that the original "40 percent" figure came from a letter published in the journal Nature that discussed harmful logging activities -- and again had nothing to do with global warming.
Well, forest fires are hot so that's close enough to man made warming, right? And as for it being a letter and not an actual scientific study, that's just details.
Besides according to the UN Climate gang, this is kind of endearing, right?
Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, vice chairman of the IPCC, was quoted in the European press as saying, "I would like to submit that this could increase the credibility of the IPCC, not decrease it. Aren't mistakes human? Even the IPCC is a human institution."
Look Frenchie (technically he's Belgian, whatever), you can submit anything you want but we don't have to pretend it's anything other that pure BS. I mean, it's not like we were previously under the impression all of this stuff was coming from robots. We know you are human and as such are prone to, how to put this? Making shit up if it gets you what you want (which is usually research grants and power).
But of course, the science is settled and poling holes into the UN report is really not sportsman like or something. Allow me to take a minute to preview how Gaia worshipers will calmly and in scientifically explain this, um, unfortunate incident...."Shut Up!".
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Posted by: Liz Lemon at January 28, 2010 01:21 PM (lSuMX)
Yes, mistakes increase an organizations' credibility --- especially an organization that makes recommendations based on data.
Just like how when I voted for Scott Brown, I was voting for Barack Obama's policies.
Posted by: This is lolboner at January 28, 2010 01:21 PM (rgfwM)
Drew, your cynicism will cost the lives of millions of, uh, Na'vi. Those tall blue people, I mean.
Posted by: Cicero at January 28, 2010 01:25 PM (QKKT0)
You! Yes you, the smelly redneck in the gimme cap! The rain forests are delicate ecosystems. They're not hard inhospitable regions like your frontal lobe or your mothers breast.
We must protect them, whether the threat is real or imagined! Now, shouldn't you be off buggering your cousin?
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at January 28, 2010 01:25 PM (CVZGO)
Posted by: Rodent Freikorps at January 28, 2010 01:25 PM (dQdrY)
>>"I would like to submit that this could increase the credibility of the IPCC, not decrease it. Aren't mistakes human? Even the IPCC is a human institution."
Anthropogenic mistakes.
Posted by: Tushar at January 28, 2010 01:26 PM (KXhmI)
Posted by: Your friends at the UN at January 28, 2010 01:26 PM (xxgag)
Posted by: John Galt at January 28, 2010 01:26 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Phil Jones at January 28, 2010 01:27 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: Al Gore at January 28, 2010 01:27 PM (ZdkpQ)
What makes it even more ridiculous is when the IPCC accepted the report they thought the WWF was still the world wrestling federation.
Posted by: bulwark at January 28, 2010 01:29 PM (MdzCh)
If human beings burn/cut down 40% of the rainforest, 40% of the rainforest will be destroyed by global warming.
Perhaps there is a communication problem here - does Global Warming = Human Beings?
Because if that is the heart of the issue, it explains a lot.
Stop Global Warming
We Hate Global Warming
blah blah
All makes sense now...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2010 01:29 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: Al Gore at January 28, 2010 01:30 PM (xxgag)
Posted by: Rodney at January 28, 2010 05:20 PM (c6mrx)
Well, a man's got to work, doesn't he?
Posted by: Mikhail Gorbachev founder of Green Cross International, at January 28, 2010 01:32 PM (7BU4a)
You will be assimilated.
Do not resist.
Resistance is futile.
We are the Global Warming.
Posted by: Mortis at January 28, 2010 01:33 PM (hA5JK)
Posted by: Al Gore at January 28, 2010 05:30 PM (xxgag)
Posted by: ManBearPig at January 28, 2010 01:33 PM (7BU4a)
That is how smart I am.
Posted by: George Bush at January 28, 2010 01:33 PM (bvDV5)
Posted by: Ellie Light at January 28, 2010 01:34 PM (lSuMX)
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at January 28, 2010 01:34 PM (GfYt/)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 28, 2010 01:34 PM (DIYmd)
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at January 28, 2010 01:36 PM (GfYt/)
Incidentally, the British police say that the University of East Anglia broke the law for hiding information when the FOIA was issued. Unfortunately, they can't be prosecuted because it's past the statute of limitations. From Hotair:
The Information CommissionerÂ’s Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach.
Posted by: runningrn at January 28, 2010 01:36 PM (CfmlF)
from The Times Online: Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data
"The university at the centre of the climate change row over stolen e-mails broke the law by refusing to hand over its raw data for public scrutiny."
Posted by: conscious and pissed off at January 28, 2010 01:37 PM (Vu6sl)
Sorry runningrn. Looks like we were working on the same thing.
Posted by: conscious and pissed off at January 28, 2010 01:38 PM (Vu6sl)
The Information CommissionerÂ’s Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach.
Posted by: runningrn at January 28, 2010 05:36 PM (CfmlF)
No controlling legal authority bitches!
Posted by: Al Gore at January 28, 2010 01:38 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: Paul Maud Dip at January 28, 2010 01:39 PM (dQdrY)
NONTROVERSY, and Shut Up
Buy a calendar before I bid you adieu
Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at January 28, 2010 01:41 PM (sYxEE)
The Himalyan glaciers are receding you knuckledragging fools! I've got pictures to prove it!
Everybody knows that global warming exists and will cause massive storms, pestilsence, drought and plagues of locust. It doesn't matter that they lied about it. Everybody knows it's true. I'm self medicated...err..I mean.. educated. You idiots ought to get with the program.
As for the rain forests? Nontroversy!
You all should be banned from the internet in perpetuity.
Oh, buy a kindle. There are great deals at Amazon.
It's never too early to pre-order next year's calender either.
Posted by: 2 Buck Chuck at January 28, 2010 01:41 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: chicocano at January 28, 2010 01:42 PM (2n5cq)
Posted by: Chris M. at January 28, 2010 01:42 PM (V2pCF)
Basically, they copied and pasted from a Charles Johnson type of bullshit artist
Posted by: kbdabear at January 28, 2010 01:43 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Chris M. at January 28, 2010 05:42 PM (V2pCF)
What kind of response have you been getting?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2010 01:44 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: Chris M. at January 28, 2010 05:42 PM (V2pCF)
Show them no mercy!
Posted by: conscious and thinks Obama is the Tiny Tim of Politics at January 28, 2010 01:44 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: conscious and pissed off at January 28, 2010 05:38 PM (Vu6sl)
Great minds think alike! Heh!
Posted by: runningrn at January 28, 2010 01:45 PM (CfmlF)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 28, 2010 05:43 PM (sYxEE)
Hey it works for me
Posted by: B+ Publik Skool Student at January 28, 2010 01:46 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: runningrn at January 28, 2010 01:46 PM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 28, 2010 01:46 PM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Hucklebuck at January 28, 2010 01:49 PM (oQLnX)
Aren't mistakes human?
Mistakes are human, but these are not mistakes! These are UN and NGO sponsored conspiracies that are designed to pump billions of dollars into phoney science, and to use the lies produced from it to scare the world into taxing and redistributing wealth, and incidently, to allow insiders like Gore and Soros to rake off millions on the side.
Crimes are being committed today that have no parallel in history insofar as their global reach.
Posted by: sherlock at January 28, 2010 01:50 PM (h6sl7)
Very little response from most. But I'm pretty good real life friends with these people, so they kinda acknowledge that they've been busted. I think a few are about to take the plunge and say "Yup, I was scammed by all these scientists and now I'm pissed about it", but who knows? These people have read literally thousands of pages of material "proving" AGW, so it's an uphill climb.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 28, 2010 01:52 PM (V2pCF)
Posted by: Liz Lemon at January 28, 2010 01:52 PM (lSuMX)
Fine you win. Global warming is a hoax. Now who is going to pay me until we find the next hoax, err, crises?
You should see the gig I'm working on for the next generation !!!
Posted by: Al Gore's son, Junior the Third at January 28, 2010 02:06 PM (Zi+FQ)
Grandpa's Global Cooling
Dad's Global Warming
Get ready for Global Climate Stagnation.
Pony up. We've got to get this atmosphere moving in some direction or another.
Wind credits? Convection Credits? I'm onto something here...
Posted by: Al Gore's son, Junior the Third at January 28, 2010 02:09 PM (Zi+FQ)
You should see the gig I'm working on for the next generation !!!
Al Gore's son, Junior the Third
A 200 mph Prius with a breathalyzer interlock?
Posted by: sherlock at January 28, 2010 02:09 PM (h6sl7)
You should see the gig I'm working on for the next generation !!!
Al Gore's son, Junior the Third
A 200 mph Prius with a breathalyzer interlock?
Heh! How 'bout "Global Crisis Scam 2.0".
Posted by: runningrn at January 28, 2010 02:15 PM (CfmlF)
Wonderful! About time! If reasonable people like you were in charge of the United States the world would be a much more peaceful place! (waves finger in air for emphasis)
Posted by: Osama bin Ladin at January 28, 2010 02:24 PM (pHWZm)
Sure , it's a little too dark and heavy for small craft and eastern white cedar is the ultimate wood for that kind of work but it seems the best way to give these idiot hippies the finger . Added benefit , some of the money will go to impoverished south or central american loggers .
For the cherry on top , paddles will be made of laminated purple heart and rosewood .
It'll end up a family boat as no one will be able to afford it in this economy .
Maybe I can sell it to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet . Sheaaaa riiiiight .
Posted by: awkward davies at January 28, 2010 02:27 PM (wb68R)
Posted by: KilltheHippies at January 28, 2010 02:34 PM (94ai5)
Posted by: Trendy Waggish Physics Nerd at January 28, 2010 02:43 PM (R+LUw)
(Finally, an opening for my favorite 'Murder by Death' riff.)
Posted by: nickless at January 28, 2010 05:46 PM (MMC8r)
I knew someone would beat me to it.
Posted by: stuiec at January 28, 2010 02:46 PM (7AOgy)
The United States said it expected to cut emissions blamed for global warming “in the range of 17 per cent” and “anticipated” that Congress would approve legislation to meet the target.
Posted by: Neo at January 28, 2010 02:55 PM (tE8FB)
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at January 28, 2010 03:01 PM (+3fAP)
So is this Belgian guy Flemish or Waloon? 'Cause if he's a Waloon....well, that pretty much shoots any credibility all to hell right there.
I mean really, what the hell kinda dorks call themselves "Waloons".... Waaalooooons.....c'mon.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at January 28, 2010 03:03 PM (ZTGFz)
The only fragile ecosystems on Earth are in places like caves, where conditions haven't changed for tens or hundreds of thousands of years. Everywhere else, ecosystems constantly have to deal with weather, solar cycles, new species, etc. If they really were so goddamn "fragile," they'd already be toast and replaced with a more resilient ecosystem.
Fucking econuts.
Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at January 28, 2010 03:53 PM (vgjDD)
This I believe is AmazonGate. Give the idiots time to re-spin this. Here it comes:
Man's destruction of the Amazon rain forest has reduced the planet's ability to incorporate CO2, via photosynthesis, leading to ever increasing levels of atmospheric CO2, and its inevitable effect on climate warming.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at January 28, 2010 04:06 PM (ucq49)
Wow, that foxnews article hasn't updated any of their boilerplate, including debunked denialist claims. Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic -- it's surprising if you call yourself a news organization. It's more propaganda, for whatever reason. "Hide the decline" made a funny video, but that's been confirmed by an exhaustive review to be exactly what the scientists said it was: referring to a mid-20th-century artifact of a problem with the way tree-ring data is analyzed -- not a recent decline in temps or something like that.
And the Amazon stuff here... um, okay, but that doesn't even get to the heart of the matter about greenhouse gases, observed temperatures since the industrial rev. and projected CO2 levels, etc.
It's like saying "This idea that DNA carries genetic information is garbage because you were mistaken and sloppy about what gene #gobblety-blob does!"
So sad. The horse is out of the barn anyway, but it's still sad. I guess it's not as sad as the fact that I still care that it's sad, and then post in this thread.
I love watching them melt down.
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 28, 2010 04:08 PM (qyKoF)
If we don't do something RIGHT NOW, the Himalayan rain forests and the Amazonian glaciers are both DOOMED!
Mark my words.
Posted by: malclave at January 28, 2010 05:31 PM (W1Ndc)
Posted by: Guest at January 28, 2010 08:18 PM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at January 29, 2010 07:48 AM (/NsH0)
"I would like to submit that this could increase the credibility of the IPCC, not decrease it. Aren't mistakes human? Even the IPCC is a human institution."
Individual humans do make mistakes. Instituations don't make mistakes, they make policy.
Posted by: Speller at January 29, 2010 08:47 AM (o0R2E)
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