1 Oh please let it be Russia. Bye bye Julian, sorry about that heart attack/radiation poisoning/decapitation thing. Bummer.

2 Right on Ace.  The irony is that he may come state side for amnesty. 

3 The simple fact that he hasn't been planted yet by this country is an indictment about how seriously we, as a country, take our survival, at least the survival as a world power.

4 I always liked the phrase "fold like a cheap card table." In this case, a fey, spindly, bloodless card table.

5 All it will take is one rogue country to be embarrassed, and Julian will have an accident.  Who will point fingers then?  It could be anyone including states he figured would not touch him.

What a douchnozzle.

6

Actually, I believe Assange is a coward who only wishes to preen as a dangerous rebel with states that will not kill him (such as America), and thus capitalize on unearned status -- he likes to play the hunted revolutionary without having to actually be hunted.

Like "artists" or other libs who bash religion but say nothing of Islam.

7 There is no way in hell Assange will release info on Russia.  They would assassinate him, and no one would lift a finger to stop it.

8 Here, Julian, have some of Russia's finest tea. Never mind that it's still warm after thirty minutes and your nose is just a bit sunburned after you take a drink.

9 There are political advantages to being amoral.

10 There is a rational argument to be made that our government is not entitled to keep anything from us. I think that it is ultimately incorrect, but it makes for good dinnertime conversation.

The next dump, supposedly of Bank of America information, is a different story. That's flat-out stealing, and the cock-sucking little prick should go to jail.

11 1 Oh please let it be Russia. Bye bye Julian, sorry about that heart attack/radiation poisoning/decapitation thing. Bummer.

The Russians won't fuck around dealing with Julian if they think Asshat is going to leak something damaging to their higher-ups. 

Polonium, "car accident", hell, maybe even ricin poisoning. 

12 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

13 Where is the little shit anyway?

14

Po-210 Green Tea Infusion.

Po-210 Tofu.

Po-210 Patchouli oil.

Po-210 Hemp-Based Coffee Filters.

15 If the President had any balls at all, this cocksucker would have already had an unfortunate meeting with a Delta operator.  I say Delta, because the CIA couldn't be trusted to actually handle something of the sort.

16 In this case, WikiLeaks has outed information we should have known all along -- that North Korea is providing advanced missiles to Iran, for example. The reason to withhold this information had little to do with protecting America's foreign policy interest; it had instead to do protecting the current and past administrations' political interest.

I have to take some (little) exception to this, Ace.  There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment.

We can talk about "bomb, bomb, bomb.  Bomb, bomb Iran" as much as we want; the truth is that we won't do that- at least, not with any seriousness.  I wish that weren't true, but it is.

So, withholding the information makes sense from a National Defense standpoint- if they believe they're under our Radar, they might try to stay there- at least until we're done in Iraq or Afghanistan (troops down to "maintenance" levels only).  If we let the general public know about it, however, they're much more likely to decide "F it, they already know, so lets get this dance started."  And we really don't need that right now.

I will certainly agree that it is as much political as actual National Defense, but there are legitimate National Defense concerns as well.

17 Didn't the Russians end the problem of Palestinain terrorism against its agents by kidnapping a relative of some PLO shithead and sending him the poor schmuck's testicles? You've got to appreciate that kind of outside-the-box thinking.

18 14 haha!

19 How about we just eliminate the people that spy on us? When I say eliminate, I mean rip off their testicles.

20 12 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

Ooh, forgot about that!  Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter?

21

Posted by: Discount Polonium-210 Deals at November 30, 2010 02:27 PM (w41GQ)


I know it's early, but that's my "thread winner" vote.

LMAO.

22 Posted by: Cicero at November 30, 2010 02:29 PM (gEBcK)

It happened in Lebanon. Some crazy group (who knows which; they're all the same) kidnapped a few Russian diplomats. The Russians promptly grabbed some hostages and started chopping. And guess what! It worked.

23

Why do the Russians get to be the baddies all the time?  Am I the only one that thinks assholes like this should pee down there leg at the thought of pissing off the CIA.  It always "don't mess with Mosad" or "don't mess with the Ruskies".

Hell with that - we need to get our balls back and start taking out the fucking trash.  Start with this asshole and instead of denying just step right up and say "Yes, it was us.  We will take all of your "thank you's" on a first come first serve basis so please no pushing or shoving just form a neat orderly line".

24 Didn't the Russians end the problem of Palestinain terrorism against its agents by kidnapping a relative of some PLO shithead and sending him the poor schmuck's testicles? You've got to appreciate that kind of outside-the-box thinking. Posted by: Cicero at November 30, 2010 02:29 PM (gEBcK) I thought they buried him wrapped in pig skin and filmed it?

25 I suspect the information management was done, not out of political expediency, but of trying to keep the public's eye on the ball. Add the NorKs and Iranians as more immediate and bigger threats would ultimately act as a distraction to AfPak and Iraq until those theaters improved. AfPak and Iraq were ultimately about surrounding Iran anyway

26 Julian better watch out for the fella with the umbrella.

27 Actually, if someone intended on bumping him off, they should do so now, while every finger would point at the CIA.  The Russians, I'm sure, are quite aware of that fact.

28 We are not feeling to good right now. The new coffee filters are great though.

29

About Manning.  A Pfc is an intelligence analyst?  Are we sure?

30 Am I the only one that thinks assholes like this should pee down there leg at the thought of pissing off the CIA.


"Getting our balls back" would require firing 3/4 of the staff at the CIA, worthless pussies who would immediately leak any op-plan not meeting their squishy idea of how things should be done. 

31 How'd ya like to the insurance company holding Julian's Life Insurance Policy?

32 Oooh, just let him say something about the sequins on my new clothes.

I'll give him such a pinch!

33 Actually, if someone intended on bumping him off, they should do so now, while every finger would point at the CIA. ---- Be sure and leave a McCain/Palin bumper sticker nearby.

34 In US, you leak on government.

In Russia, government leaks all over you.

35 Natasha, we being activated once again. Fearless Leader has for us a mission. Is neither squirrel or moose. Should be interesting, da?

36 K chortu! Smert shpionu!

37 Mitt Romney is part of WikiLeaks

38 When my husband was in Intel, he couldn't even speak to me about his work. He would have been fired immediately if he left Classified stuff on his desk when he went to take a leak. Had to be in a safe, even though he worked in a secure building, among an entire staff of people with Top Secret clearance. These idiots, in the Clinton admin and in the Obama admin, think this is all just stoopid. They are wrong. We are paying.

39 #25  I thought they buried him wrapped in pig skin and filmed it?

You might be thinking of what (supposedly) Gen Perishing did with some Ottoman spies.

Although IIRC, the Russians may have buried the Chechnyan terrorists who took hostages during the Moscow theater hostage crisis back in 2002 in pig skins. 

40 But, really.  Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone?

41

...which he never should have been (indeed, he shouldn't have been in the military at all)...

Denounce yourself, Homo-Phobe!

Just because he openly listens to Lady Gaga does not mean he has violated the current DADT policies.

42

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

I think all this "leaking" has actually blown up in the faces of the leakers, all it really shows is the arrogance, shallowness and pettiness of the World's Ruling Class.

the revolution may begin anytime now... 

43 Boris, but why then do they want us kill Nell?

44 Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone? Posted by: Sponge © at November 30, 2010 02:41 PM (UK9cE) yes if they really think they won the gold medal in basketball at the 72 olympics in munich?

45 For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" and no one would say a word.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

The world will be a better place.

Manning better like being alone.  He's going to spend a lot of time in Levenworth by himself.  Boo fucking hoo.

46 48 Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone?

Only those who aren't paying attention.  Like the MFM. 

47 Manning better like being alone. He's going to spend a lot of time in Levenworth by himself. Boo fucking hoo. Posted by: mpfs at November 30, 2010 02:43 PM (iYbLN) Oh if Boo gets his hands on manning there is gonna be some fucking going on!

48 Boris, but why then do they want us kill Nell?

Posted by: Natasha

 

Is simple babushka. We are ordered to be the deathnell to the leakers. Hokay, we kill Nell. Mountie is too stupid to be of value, and horse too smart. Stay clear of horse.

49
eggmcmuffin was right?!?!?!

50 Hmm, I wonder what CitiBank would do to Assange. That would make even the Russians sick to their stomachs...

51 Poll : Who gets him first ? 1. Russkies 2. Banksters 3. Hillary 4. Feel free to add your own , some were left out intentionally .

52
In Soviet Russia..... you not plug leak.........


Leak plugs YOU.

53
Manning was an intelligence analyst just like Valerie Plame was a CIA covert field operative.

54

For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" "Who's up for a Parade!" and no one would say a word.  they would throw him one.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

Closer to the truth I think.

55 Wheres the proof that all of these documents are real? How many of these so called cables are forged or purposefully inserted into the information stream as misinformation/disinformation purposes?

56 Manning was an intelligence analyst just like Valerie Plame was a CIA covert field operative.

The first part of analyst is anal.

57 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

Nope.  If the info is valid and makes Russia look bad, that would take too long.  If they suspect he has more or is capable of releasing other damaging materials....or what he releases is just that bad, I give him 10 days.

58 Bank of America leaks? Bring them..
My BofA story. Wife was shutting down her business. Had been doing  scheduled online payments of a small (few hundred dollar) LC balance. BofA takes over Fleet. Resurrects canceled Fleet personal, not business, credit card and sends mail to a house we haven't lived at in 20 years.   Getting no reply, BofA locks online payments for incorporated company and would have for personal online transactions except we didn't use them personally. Immediately we start getting early morning calls from Crapweasel Debt Resolution or some such. They are of course looking for credit card numbers to zero the balance or bank account #s and PINs to do the same. Right. Eventually it is resolved with much time wasted by us and we find thru a little googling that Crapweasels is a Bof A subsidiary. How cute. I hope Assange screws them over. Too big to fail? Time to unwind them into manageable units.

59 I figure if this guy has a preference, he would rather it be the US. (a) it would be a gentle method and (b) it could be argued as proof of the American Satan, martyring him.

60 I was listening to KFI in Los Angeles this morning driving into work and Bryan Suits was on with Handel during the 7am to 730am slot.  He explained why this fucker Manning had the clearance he did.  It isn't pretty. 


http://tinyurl.com/6d6jt2

If you want to listen click on the link - Bill Handel - 7am today.

61 If Russia were worried, Assbanger'd already be dead.

62 It's fold like a cheap camera. Because cameras used to fold.

63 Poll : Who gets him first ?

1. Russkies

2. Banksters

3. Hillary

.
.
.

2973.  Girl Scout Troop #437
2974.  Sister Susan, that mean nun from 4th grade Catholic school
2975.  Nippy, your neighbor's barking chihuahua
2976.  Gomer Pyle
2977.  Boss Hogg from Dukes of Hazzard
2978.  The CIA

64 Russkie Assassin Ivan: Sergei! CitiBank assassins eviscerated Assange's credit score! Russkie Assassin Sergei: Bozhye moi! [begins barfing]

65 Who says the Russians arent using Wikileaks to as a way to damage the US? Chinese agents and hackers ?

The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia.

66 I've heard Assange is a Mormon and loves socialized medicine.

67 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space.

FIFY

68

Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that), many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive

 

And there's the main rub.  I've worked with classified documents before and that was always the biggest problem, is deciding who really needed to know this shit.  Too much stuff classified?  I don't know.  Sometimes the most innocuous seeming info, when put together with other elements, could turn out to be a big fucking deal.  

69 Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 02:52 PM (i7Wd9) No barbed cock of Satan ?

70 49 For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" and no one would say a word.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

The world will be a better place.

Sad that we have to look to the Russians for a clear example of badass-ness and initiative.  And worse still is that Vlad is one evil son-of-a-bitch.

71 If I weren't still trying to figure out that whole umbrella+gate puzzle, I'd be free to devote my colossal intellect to our security situation. I'm sure fellow tough-guy Putin is in the same boat.

72 74 Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 02:52 PM (i7Wd9)

No barbed cock of Satan ?

That should be number #2, after the Russikes nail him. 

73

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

No.  If every memo and piece of correspondence is subject to being public, you'll never get honest assessments. 

Think of it like the surveys many of us are asked to fill out at work- one is going to be less likely to their boss poor marks if their name is on it than if it's anonymous.

Is there classified information out there that should be made public?  Probably.  However, there's good reason to keep much of it private- even if it's just an opinion of a particular country's leader.

74 Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

75 >>>I have to take some (little) exception to this, Ace. There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment. Right, but why then does it follow that information about enemy regimes should be hidden from us? The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

76 When I got my TS-SCI clearance (many moons ago), I had to endure a DOD anal probe and a 10 year background investigation. What? Are they G.I. today? *&$#@!!!

77 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space give them long rides in Solar powered brazen bulls.

RFIFY

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 02:58 PM (G/MYk)

RRFIFY

Now that's green energy I can get behind and he's not worth the fuel.

78 Right, but why then does it follow that information about enemy regimes should be hidden from us? The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

Posted by: ace ©

 

Because announcing that we cannot enter into another military commitment can be an invitation not only to that country, but any other country?

79 It would be a real shame if we leave it to Russia to do what we ought to do.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 02:31 PM (G/MYk)

Would give us cover to drop him if he disses Russia.

80

 Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

 

You betcha!  That'd work real good there!

81

 The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

War - What's it good for?

82 3 The simple fact that he hasn't been planted yet by this country is an indictment about how seriously we, as a country, take our survival, at least the survival as a world power.

Now we're outsourcing our own security; hoping for other countries to take care of our own traitors.

83 All the recently released documents seem to hurt one person, Hillary Clinton. Maybe that's why the administration hasn't exactly been up in arms over their release or improved security at State.

84

Charles K. got this right: the little puss pocket PFC should be tried for treason and shot. Yesterday.

85

Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

Way oversized. Unless you are trying for a 1500 yd.+ shot... 

You'd only need about 175-185 ft.lb. at impact to turn that milksop inside out.

86 Never thought I'd ever say this, but a straight up trade of our president for the Russian Prime Minister would be all kinds of awesome. Not that Russia deserves Bambi, but then neither do we. If they act now, we'll throw in Hilary and Pelosi, too.

87

War - What's it good for?

Posted by: Tolstoy


LOL.

88 russianwritersockOFF!

89 So, how many others are working with Assrangle and will disposing of this elephant turd actually accomplish much?

90 It doesn't matter that Jazz Hands is a coward who wouldn't release any info about Russia.  All that's necessary is that Pooty-Poot thinks he (or the WikiLeaks co-conspirators) might, and they'll act.

Incidentally, who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?  It's gotta be pretty expensive for all the stuff they're shoving out there.

91 who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Wikipedia foundation.

92

Way oversized. Unless you are trying for a 1500 yd.+ shot... 

You'd only need about 175-185 ft.lb. at impact to turn that milksop inside out.

 

That and a heavy-duty wood chipper.

93

The image of Jimmy Wales, wiki founder, talks to me.

It tells me to do bad things. Very bad things.

94 Once again the internet debunks the Ruling Class's superiority as nothing more than elevated levels of incompetent, spineless lying and double cross.

And the MFM are reduced to spinning, coat holders. Not much money or future in that role.

I don't want to think of how screwed we'd be if Algore didn't invent the truth tubes.

95 "No.  If every memo and piece of correspondence is subject to being public, you'll never get honest assessments. 

Think of it like the surveys many of us are asked to fill out at work- one is going to be less likely to their boss poor marks if their name is on it than if it's anonymous.

Is there classified information out there that should be made public?  Probably.  However, there's good reason to keep much of it private- even if it's just an opinion of a particular country's leader.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2010 03:01 PM (plsiE)

if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.

if you can't say what you want to say about someone to their face, then don't say it at all. 

and that goes for everyone, including the Ruling Class.

96 Robin, bring me a sticky bomb.

97

who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Mitt Romney.  Not directly, of course.

  He has a 'Hair Care' Slush-Fund that was passed as part of the Romneycare® legislation package! 

It's very hush-hush.

98 if being honest embarasses some other head of state, that's just too bad, they'll just have to get over it.

99
Time magazine's Man of the Year 2010 will be: Julian Assange.

Time Magazine's Man's Bitch of the Year 2010 will be: Barack Obama.

100 The most WikiLeaks will have on Russia is more pec pics of Putin.

All properly drooled over by La Julien, of course.

101 If you think Pvt Manning shouldn't have been in the US Army because he is a cocksucker, I've got another thing coming for you (pun intended).

102

if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.

if you can't say what you want to say about someone to their face, then don't say it at all. 

and that goes for everyone, including the Ruling Class.

That would be true in a noble, unicorn fantasy land, but real world requires secrets and underhanded tactics simply to keep up with the Jones's.  Take one look at Russia and if you think that ANYTHING they do doesn't have an underbelly, you're sorely mistaken.

103 It's very hush-hush.

and on the QT

104
...if being honest embarrasses some other head of state, that's just too bad, they'll just have to get over it.

a funny thing about diplomacy, ol' chum, is...

105 Posted by: ace © at November 30, 2010 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

Sorry, writing a comment on another thread...

Yes, basically.  Boris said it in 84- if you tell one country "Sorry, We're too busy right now" how might other countries also respond?

Ronald Reagan once said (paraphrasing, 'cause I don't remember the exact quote): "No recent war has been started because America was too strong."  The unspoken corollary to that is this: "Several have started because someone else thought we weren't strong enough."

By being able to pretend that Iran and N Korea were lower priority, we also get to pretend that we could still whoop 'em if we wanted to. 

It's like the big burly kid who gets called a coward because he won't fight anybody- eventually someone is going to get very badly hurt because he can't/won't defend himself- until he has to let loose completely to get people to stop bothering him.  Well, we're kind of there.  The only options we have at the moment are things that are not politically acceptable (as they'd require the deaths of a fair number of civilians), so we're trying not to do anything.  We can't really get into a land war, and we won't just bomb their military and government buildings.

106

When it comes to a state that will in fact kill him, he will fold like a cheap suit. (I realize that makes no sense.)

Um.

He'll fold like a cheap beach towel with pictures of flowers on one side and tigers on the other.

He'll fold like an undercapitalized gopher farm.

He'll fold like the sedimenarty strata near the San Andreas fault.

He'll fold like Meg Whitman's housekeeper.

He'll fold like my dick when Rosie O'Donnell comes over naked.

He'll fold like an errant protein in someone with a genetic disorder.

He'll fold like a Guild Navigator in the wrong galaxy when his wife's water broke.

 

 

107 109 The most WikiLeaks will have on Russia is more pec pics of Putin. All properly drooled over by La Julien, of course. Posted by: nickless© at November 30, 2010 03:16 PM (MMC8r) If only Pooty would leak on me. [sigh]

108 Seem like this was much a do about nothing.

Bureaucrats  being bureaucrats.

This is news?

It is depressing how swallow these cables are.

109
who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Wikipedia foundation.



Ah. That explains why that Wales dude had his face plastered all over Wikipedia for the pledge drive this last month.

110

That and a heavy-duty wood chipper.

Thanks to that idiot in Ct., that is no longer an option. Take the rings off the fingers first, you numbskull. Geesh... 

According to a friend who worked at the Human ID lab in Tucson, you'd need;  75 Gal of Acid, an industrial grinder (the kind used to cut the pipes off a guy's joint would work fine although a bench style with a dust control system would be ideal...but how many times are you going to do this, really?), and a decent food dehydrator. 

 He also added that a few bags of Lye might help along with a lot of Bleach for cleanup.

 

111 Espionage, it's good for you and good for me. I'm transformative.

112  He also added that a few bags of Lye might help along with a lot of Bleach for cleanup.

12 very hungry hogs.

113 He'll fold like my dick when Rosie O'Donnell comes over naked.


I would say more like, He'll fold like the skin between Rosie O'Donnell's hooha and its tits.

I would NEVER want to admit that it comes over at any point, much less naked.

114 Posted by: Bald Activist Dan at November 30, 2010 03:21 PM (fOo+M) I'm hoping the Russkies know all of this. I assume so.

115 Hillary and the US Kleptocracy calling Assange a criminal?

Now ain't that shit priceless.

116

12 very hungry hogs.

This.

117 Ghey power! 

Thank you pfc Manning for showing us how important it is to have the Ghey's in the military!

I'll come over to your cell again, for Hanuka!  Tomorrow night! Heart be still!

Love ya ( don't bite my ear again, PLEASE)!

Barney

118  The only options we have at the moment are things that are not politically acceptable (as they'd require the deaths of a fair number of civilians), so we're trying not to do anything.  We can't really get into a land war, and we won't just bomb their military and government buildings.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:18 PM (8y9MW)

 

And contrary to what the fucking peaceniks, diry hippies, and liberals think, our nuke option is still our "ace-in-the-hole".  (no reflection on our illustrious Ace)

119
The Obama admin will ignore this and it will all go away in a few days just like Nadil Malik Hassan's terrorist massacre at Ft Hood last November.

120

12 very hungry hogs.

This.

Posted by: Mr. Woo at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (fOo+M)

Cocksucker!

121 And of course it makes no sense with the sock. One of these days I'll be funny.

122

^{_{Posted by: Frankenstein Government at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (GOG1H)}}

We have your Diner's Club® Card number on file, Mister.

123
Meanwhile...

data shows there is no housing recovery.

124 If Wiki drops on Russia i really need to invest in popcorn futures fast.

125 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves.

126 He'll fold like James Cameron before a climate debate.

127 135 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves. Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 03:28 PM (OVpbA) They could recycle the assassins from Diamonds Are Forever.

128 He'll fold like an Italian highrise.

129 I understand that on the battlefield sometimes you decieve in order to gain a tactical advantage, that's not what I'm talking about, these e-mails, memos and such describe petty in-fighting and jealously, they are all just playing "gotcha" games like little children do, these are not serious people, they are a bunch of spoiled little brats playing little reindeer games. 

130 The image of Jimmy Wales, wiki founder, talks to me.

It tells me to do bad things. Very bad things.

There's a Firefox extension that puts Jimmy Wales at the top of every web page you visit.  It's hilarious in small doses.

131 Posted by: Uncle Mike, from Poolhall Junkies at November 30, 2010 03:22 PM (G/MYk)

Can't say I've ever seen that on Jack Hannah...

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (HIlgc)

I hope you're right, 'cause a weapon you simply refuse to use is worse than worthless.  I'm just afraid that the hippie peacniks have one on that score.

Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter) loaded up with munitions set to detonate at altitude: and release leaflets which said (in appropriate native language): "If we really wanted to, you'd all be dead right now," and have them "psy-ops" bomb Tehran, and Pyongyang.

132


if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.


That's ridiculous.

But do tell us how recess turns out.  That kid in your class that's eating paste looks a bit shifty to me.

133 He'll fold like a house of cards being carried by an 80 year old Parkinson's sufferer in a hurricane during an earthquake.

134 If we had real balls, we would put some juicy Russian mob info, some Hezbollah financial data, and a few webcam movies of PLA Colonels up on WikiLeaks -- then stand back.

135 they are a bunch of spoiled little brats playing little reindeer games. 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 03:30 PM (ehKDD)

 

Of course.  Little reindeer games that could get millions of people killed. 

136 Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 03:30 PM (ehKDD)

The point is that sometimes you need the "slam book" version of advice.  It's up to the actual diplomats and so on to make it digestible to their contacts, but sometimes the information you need about Saudi Diplomat so-and-so is "He's a jack-wagon."

A lot of times the stuff underlings need to tell their overlings isn't very nice, and if they believe they're going to be outed for it, they'll stop saying those things- no matter how necessary they might be for said overlings to have the good intel they need.

137 He'll fold like I have to fold my cock so I can wear shorts.

138

He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.

 

139

Putin will enjoy reading by the light of assange's irradiated corpse.

From behind leaded glass, naturally.  The refraction's better that way.

140

speaking up for virtue, expecting it, demanding it from ourselves, the people we surround ourselves with and our leaders is not a childish act.

to quote C.S. Lewis:

"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

141 119 - or you can go organic with a chicken wire wrap and a lonely Chesapeake Bay crick, just make sure it is a good year for crabs.

142 He'll fold like that dirty little pamphlet in your daddy's bottom drawer.

143 Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 03:35 PM (pr+up)

Hey, that was completely unnecessary.  We got our three home games, that's all that matters to us (so says the City of Arlington...)

Besides, if you're going to slam Texas pro sports teams, how about:
He'll fold like the Dallas Cowboys.

Really, I'm proud of what the Rangers did, but my 'boys are hurting me real bad.

144

He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.

 

He'll fold like the Texas Longhorn football team. 

 

145

By the Way: A spy-type did write to me yesterday, to say that yes, intelligence agents already do prepare multiple versions of their reports in different levels of sensitivity.

Heh...did this conversation start off with; "Red fox to grey squirrel, come in grey squirrel..."

146 He'll fold like that dollar you had back before Obama took over.

147

^{_{Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 03:37 PM (lnUW/)}}

There must be at least 50 ways...

148 135 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves.

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

There may be something to take away from that fact...

149 George W. Bush suppressed information about how truly bad-behaving North Korea was, because he was not ready to kick that particular hornet's nest, and Obama has continued doing so.

Needs citation.

Wouldn't it take dozens of nukes to get the little buzzers outta artillery range of Seoul as our 1st kick & hasn't the Proliferation Security Initiative somewhat caught the stings.

150 Really, I'm proud of what the Rangers did, but my 'boys are hurting me real bad.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:38 PM (8y9MW)

Eh...you'll get no sympathy from me, I'm a NY Giants Fan. 

Bwahahhaahahaaa!!!

 

 

151

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

Fuck Bond.  This is a Vince Flynn novel.

152 Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter) loaded up with munitions set to detonate at altitude: and release leaflets which said (in appropriate native language): "If we really wanted to, you'd all be dead right now," and have them "psy-ops" bomb Tehran, and Pyongyang.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:31 PM (8y9MW)

That would be pretty entertaining - we should test it out next time we have an excuse.  Alas, so many of our enemies are illiterate vermin...

I wonder if these wiki-pukes would be useful as a disinformation service.  I would love to see them "leak" reports about how the US almost nuked Falujah, how we have a death ray laser that shoots a beam from space that will make your guts explode, or other similar stories that will serve to scare the piss out of our enemies.  One of two things would happen - either our enemies would become more fearful (which is good) or the wikitraitors would lose credibility once the stories were found to be false.  Either way we win.

153 Robin, bring me a sticky bomb.

Posted by: Batman

 

Nope. You didn't say sticky batbomb. Or should it be, batstickybomb? Batbomb which is sticky?

 

Get it your damn self.

154 He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.


Hey, now THAT was uncalled for.......

155 Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:39 PM (HIlgc)

No argument here.  I'm an A&M / TCU fan.  And the Aggies are actually ranked this year.

156 162

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

Fuck Bond.  This is a Vince Flynn novel.

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:43 PM (HIlgc)

 

If not for the loss of our bravest and in honor of the dearly departed Leslie
Nielson. I would say it resembles a Naked Gun movie.

 

157  119 - or you can go organic with a chicken wire wrap and a lonely Chesapeake Bay crick, just make sure it is a good year for crabs.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 03:37 PM

Might make me think twice about what the crabs eat when I enjoy my next bushell. 

158 http://tinyurl.com/2dylfvw

Wikileaks using Amazon.com servers

159 He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.


Hey, now THAT was uncalled for.......

Posted by: Sponge ©

 

Agreed. They deserve some slack. After all, they were in a place that's very new and strange to them (world series)

160 When in doubt, whack 'em out.

161

Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter)

Yeah, me too. But we don't have a squadron--not a WWII squadron, anyway.

We have 160 strategic bombers, of all types, total.

We're a little short of warheads, too, and have no way to make more.

162 Another analysis of the wikileaks game:

http://tinyurl.com/39tyn6c

163 Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 03:57 PM (hrwMe)

Yes, but when 6 of the things could drop enough conventional munitions to level most of a city, I'm not too worried about that.

And the point is that, every so often, we just have to remind them who they're messing with.

164 "National security officials say that the National Security Agency, the U.S. governmentÂ’s eavesdropping agency, has already picked up tell-tale electronic evidence that WikiLeaks is under close surveillance by the Russian FSB, that countryÂ’s domestic spy network, out of fear in Moscow that WikiLeaks is prepared to release damaging personal information about Kremlin leaders."

I'll believe it when Wikileaks releases proof.

The NSA is giving the public intel on an intel breech that was released to the public? And we're buying it? WTF?

Really, though, doesn't this sound like the type of misdirection the current administration uses constantly? Blame the other side in advance and then do exactly what you're accusing them of? Or at least muddy the waters so that when he disappears the U.S. isn't the only suspect?

Bush would have had this sack of shit kidnapped and turned over to the U.S. Army for trial. And been proud of it too.

165

Looks to me like there's quite a few things you may be "not too worried about."

Are you pretty confident of our conventional munitions stockpile? I am not.

There's no sound as hollow as a saber rattling atop a paper tiger. Just saying.

166

@16: "There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment."

Which is why, since WWII at least, that it was always US policy to be able to fight at least two major wars at once.  For some reason, Dubya felt the need to abandon that policy.  As a result, we can barely fight one decent-sized war and one sideshow, and so major threats go unaddressed as a result.

167 Julian could go to restaurant anywhere in the world, let's say a McDonalds and accidentally ingest an iridium 192 pellet.

Hey, it could happen.

168 Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 04:08 PM (hrwMe)

Yeah, actually I am.

Oh, I have no doubt we can't do as much whole-sale damage as we could in WWII, Korea, or even Viet Nam, but we can lay down the hurt on just about anyone we need to.  I would be concerned if we were talking about China or Russia- but we're not, and there's some indication than neither would lift a hand if we cut the NORKs down a notch or two.  Ditto for Iran.

169 Russia will make it look like he commited suicide by dismembering all his own limbs and mailing pieces of himself to family member/gay lovers.

170 46

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

I think all this "leaking" has actually blown up in the faces of the leakers, all it really shows is the arrogance, shallowness and pettiness of the World's Ruling Class.

the revolution may begin anytime now... 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 02:42 PM (ehKDD)

Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened.

171

War - What's it good for?

Posted by: Tolstoy


LOL.

That's my line, suckers.

172 WaPo has an accidentally hilarious column up claiming the Wikileaks dump proves that Bush's memoir is all lies and Barry is the most bestest handler of foreign policy ever.  It just states all that without actually stating anything to prove any of it.  Amazing.

173 Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened.

Uh, Paperclip has been out in public knowledge for at least a decade and a half now.  And it's not like there was total ignorance of Von Braun's resume even back in the day, either.  Folks just sort of fooled themselves about how far 'in' these people were, papered it over, and pretended it was all on the up-and-up.

Self-delusion is what makes civilization work, often as not.

174 "Luck often enough, will save a man, if his courage hold." - Buliwyf

175

“The Russians play by different rules.”

 

No kidding.  Plus, they probably wouldn't have allowed an idiotic 22-year old pouf to have access to their sensitive diplomatic materials in the first place.  But then, the Russians aren't nearly as enlightened and progressive as the Obama administration, are they?

 

176 George W. Bush suppressed information about how truly bad-behaving North Korea was, because he was not ready to kick that particular hornet's nest, and Obama has continued doing so.

I don't think is strictly true, or that it is true of Bush alone. I am an old broad, I was born in 1951, during the Korean conflict and here I am all these years later and we are still talking about the North Koreans being a threat. I would say this problem goes back way way farther than Bush. NK has been a problem for so long that we just got used to them being a problem and that made it seem less threatening.

177

There's 'classification' and then there's 'need-to-know.' 

I'm an Army NCO with a Secret clearance at a somewhat sensitive post in Afghanistan (personnel without Secret or higher clearance can't enter my workplace, period).  A Secret isn't particularly uncommon, Army-wide; f'r'instance, every Army MP (my job) gets a Secret, or is supposed to.  Even with my clearance, I pretty much have to get specific authorization for each particular database to which I need access (i.e., demonstrate my need-to-know that info in order to do my job).

One of the criteria used in deciding upon classification levels is the potential damage done should the info come out.  Given the sensitivity of a lot of this Wikileaks stuff, I'm dumbfounded that so much of it was classified as low-level as it was.  The other breathtakingly stupid part is that somebody thought that PFC Manning (for whose firing squad I'll gladly volunteer) 'needed to know' details about State department cables, etc.  I'm gonna assume that was passive stupidity (i.e., nobody bothered to make sure that the kind of access Manning needed for his job WASN'T also giving him access to extraneous stuff), rather than active stupidity ("Let's make sure to give him access to extraneous stuff LOL"); in the military, the former is FAR more common.

178
"Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened."

What shouldn't have happened - the classifying, or bringing them over?

The classifying ... well, immediately after WWII, people were a little uptight about Nazis. As for this being a secret, it was never a secret that these guys had worked on the V1 and V2 projects during the war. As Tom Lehrer sang in the early 1960s:

I just send them up
And where they come down
Is not my department!
Says Werner Von Braun.

As for the bringing them over, our alternatives were to shoot them or let the Russians have them. And Von Braun did build the Saturn V.

179 I say we give Assbanger, 671 grains of diplomacy, eh what?

180

POTUS Obama is sending his Attorney General Eric Holder to Switzerland to lobby for the World Cup.

You can't make this stuff up.

181 It's easy to say "tighten up on classification" and "don't let people see stuff they don't need for their job" but the problem is that it's really bizarre what people do need for their job. 

It's extremely difficult to connect the dots if you don't make the dots available to your analysts. It's also harder to connect those dots if you have to ask your supervisor for access to the dots repository every time you get a hunch about data that may not actually pan out into a legitimate insight.

Oh, and there is a level above the Venti sized classification: compartmented, or what your typical fiction writer calls "code word classified". Which is cool and all... but as this document dump shows, there is a lot of stuff out there that isn't at the highest levels. And if you look at the documents themselves, none of it should be at those higher levels.

182 So Bruce Sterling and William Gibson promised me a 21st century dystopian future full of wild ass cyberpunk and netdiving with cyberdecks and instead all we got was Julian #@#$ing Asange?

Great.Just great.

Not that I'm unhappy with Tivo and Netflix and  Minecraft and Anrgy Birds n' all that but....but...sniff....not gonna cry....*

183 Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that, many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive.




Did "need to know" access stop being part of the clearance policy since the last time I held a clearance?

184 I say this only because it's amusing, well, amusing to me. The Russkies are still smarting over that spy ring of losers & hussies we busted last summer. They needed to restore the good name of the KGB-->FSB. So they arranged for this dupe in Sweden to do us great shit. Seriously, I hope they make caviar out of his skull and invite Hillary.

185 Baldilocks, it's still there for the really important stuff.

And when was the last time you saw the State Department entrusted with the really important stuff?

186 The russians may just kill the fucker so that the US will be blamed...or the Jews...but hey, in the minds of many, that last part was redundant...

187 Plus, they probably wouldn't have allowed an idiotic 22-year old pouf to have access to their sensitive diplomatic materials in the first place.  But then, the Russians aren't nearly as enlightened and progressive as the Obama administration, are they?




There's no bottom age limit on high classified access.  I was 25 when I had it, but most get it when they first come into the service, finish boot/basic, finish tech school/AIT.  Assuming age 18 at entry, 19 or 20 is the age an analyst has attained upon going to work.

188 I hope Wikileaks does release stuff on the Russians.  Then we can sit back and watch the fireworks.  Putin is a maniac, but at least he kills the enemies of his country--he doesn't freakin' bow to them!!!

189 He won't do a document dump on the Russians unless he has a taste for polonium tea.

The Russians are thugs.  They don't play nice.

190 Yerli yabanci vizyondaki tum film izle ve seyret