1 When the guy started digging the holes my first thought was, hey they're putting up a fence!

2 re: fences, there's a part in the Zombie Survival Guide that talks about total no-going-back SHTF scenarios where even high walls are useless as the millions of zombies will just eventually pile up on each other and pour over the top. That would make a great visual in a movie.

3

So this is what happens when Ace goes on vacation?????

Wake me when it's over.

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(And , no, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ is not for ZZZZZombie)

4

The series isn't progressing well.

It's already so boring that I don't even care that the libtard writers have been following the standard issue "whites = evil; blacks & mexicans = good" bullshit.

Yawn.

 

5 I blame Bush.

6 It's already so boring that I don't even care that the libtard writers have been following the standard issue "whites = evil; blacks & mexicans = good" bullshit.

Don't forget the empowered Womyns!

7

BTW, can someone please explain to me how we are supposed to swallow this idea of a Jewish graduate of Sidwell Friends as a redneck WASP sheriff's deputy?

I mean - seriously - do the Jews really think we're this stupid?

 

8 How about just a string of wire around the perimeter with some cans hanging from it?  Maybe that would give you some warning of approaching zombies before they took a seat at the campfire.

9 I'm having a hard time believing that any group of people would stick around a city filled with zombies, for an extended period, without any fences or sentries. I mean, how hard could it possibly be to find a fairly large house with a decent perimeter fence to rest in?

10 This may be a spoiler so I'll qualify it with a POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT: At the end of the episode when the blonde bitch is over her dying sister and bawling like a paid wailer during New Testament times. I was like shut the fuck up already and get over it, she's gonna be a zombie soon. I did enjoy the standoff, but could have done without the thug Mexicans turning out to actually be peace-loving care takers of the elderly. I pretty much like the group of 4 people they have out now: cop, asian kid, hick, black guy. The rest of the characters I couldn't care less about. Except maybe the other cop at the home base. He seems alright too.

11 fish fries > keeping watch

12 Wow, a fence never even crossed my mind. I would totally be fucked in a civilizational collapse scenario.

13 I'm starting to get really annoyed with the sound design whenever guts are being displaced or eaten.  The loud sucking, wet sounds are repetitive and amplified to ridiculous levels.  Enough.

14 Holy shit!

Ace asked people to help, and it's like 2005!


It's almost like Ace has a (gasp!) forum.

So many people, so little time.

15 I'll be catching it tomorrow online..   The new episode isn't online yet..

Kill me now but watching something on PBS about John Lennon.   They guy was a bit of a prick. 

16

I suggested this before once:  they're attracted to noise so line up a bunch of woodchippers in a row and let the problem cure itself

I agree the show is losing my interest bigtime...too much drama and social commentary and not enough clever/destructive actions against the zombie horde.  Some gratuitous fish in a barrel turkey shoots with lots of ammunition expended would at least be entertaining.

There are only 5 episodes for this season so it will be over soon.

17 Kill me now but watching something on PBS about John Lennon.   They guy was a bit of a prick.


Tell me about it.

18 15 I'll be catching it tomorrow online..   The new episode isn't online yet..

Kill me now but watching something on PBS about John Lennon.   They guy was a bit of a prick. 

Posted by: Dave C at November 22, 2010 12:41 AM (poJjg)

 

It just showed up on http://eztv.it  ...if you do the torrents thing.

19 thug-mexicans taking care of the elderly...sure....yeah....i got a bridge to sell on the moon. this series makes no sense at all, and the acting is terrible. they all sit down to enjoy fish and hey, the zombies just walk right up on em lol so dumb.

20

Okay...glad that Amy's dead because she was a tedious bratty whiner.  I thought I saw a fence with string and cans around it at some point...or was that another show?

That whole stand-off thing could have been epic and it ended up being totally lame.

Could it possibly be that Jim was having some kind of vision?  That whatever is zombie-ing the undead is having an affect on his brain, too? That could be kind of convenient.

How many being were killed by the zombies at the end.  Tedious bratty whiner, abusive husband...the hispanic guy who built the fire pit?

21 Claymore mines, find a frigging armory idiots. And the tin can thing is good with a grenade thats pulled out when you hit the wire. Also camp with clear long stretches of visibility. In the Nam I've read stories of how you set up a perimeter against the goons. Lack of sentries=Zombies buffet.

22 Hoo-boy. Here's a little boy being strip-searched at the airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4


What's worse is what happened afterwards to the guy who took the video. Read the About section.

23 I like it.  I think the moments of "normalcy" are suspenseful because you never know when the zombies are going to strike.  (Except when the network puts up graphic content warning at the end of a commercial break.)

24 Zombies? just ask Shaun of the Dead: all you need is a cricket bat and some vinyl, dudes. ;-)

25 It's already so boring that I don't even care that the libtard writers have been following the standard issue "whites = evil; blacks & mexicans = good" bullshit.


Frank Darabont..   The only substantive things he has done has been riding Steven King's coattails with his movies.

His one other movie, The Majestic, was about the McCarthy trials and the one screen writer on trial stands up against the senator in the end,.. 


Even The Shawshank Redemption, the part where he departs from the story is really the weakest part of the movie..  About the librarian who gets paroled and then hangs himself.  

26 21 Claymore mines, find a frigging armory idiots. And the tin can thing is good with a grenade thats pulled out when you hit the wire. Also camp with clear long stretches of visibility. In the Nam I've read stories of how you set up a perimeter against the goons. Lack of sentries=Zombies buffet.

Posted by: CliffM at November 22, 2010 12:49 AM (Vcxks)

I'm hoping that they eventually come on to a group that does these sorts of things.  But really a successful zombi-apocalypse community is going to be less interesting. 

I don't think there's been anything to suggest military background in this group and the most training seems to be the cop and the pizza delivery boy that obviously spent a lot of time playing video games.

If there were military guys in the group I think I'd be screaming along with you, but not every group is going to be clued in on good survival methods.

27

It just showed up on http://eztv.it  ...if you do the torrents thing.

It will usually pop up on here soon enough..

Worst case, I'll catch it tomorrow here: 
http://www.casttv.com/

28 ONT sock off

29 "If there were military guys in the group I think I'd be screaming along with you, but not every group is going to be clued in on good survival methods."

---i dont think it would take any of that to muster up a perimeter-alarm system of some sort. they have all the time in the day to hunt, cook, wash clothes, fix vehicles and even raid a city full of zombies....but no alarm? yeah?

30

Hmmmm... I can name 8 or 10 places near where I live that would be zombie defensable... these people are idiots.

Show is quickly getting as Lame as the zombies...

31

If there were military guys in the group I think I'd be screaming along with you, but not every group is going to be clued in on good survival methods.

Posted by: Deep Space Nine writers at November 22, 2010 01:02 AM (oVQFe)

 

But... Darwin ....

would not those same X military people have been more able to survive to this point?   Vice housewives?

32

---i dont think it would take any of that to muster up a perimeter-alarm system of some sort. they have all the time in the day to hunt, cook, wash clothes, fix vehicles and even raid a city full of zombies....but no alarm? yeah?

Posted by: str8 outta the mon at November 22, 2010 01:05 AM (dwOwg)

They were setting up a perimeter warning with the cans.  Obviously did a shitty job.

But... Darwin ....

would not those same X military people have been more able to survive to this point?   Vice housewives?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 22, 2010 01:08 AM (AdK6a)

Yeah and probably aren't stupidly sitting outside of a city full of zombies.  For all we know they are surviving somewhere more reasonable than the group we are watching are.

33 That whole scene of them fishing was a waste of 5 minutes that they totally could have used to splode some zombies.  and I am with you fellas on the campsite.  Drive to some small out of the way farm town, clean up the Z's and start livin.  Why would you camp near a city with millions of zombies?

34 Observations:
1. Good call by the director casting that Hispanic guy who plays a Hispanic gangbanger in pretty much every movie or show ever. Really made the fake Latino gang seem like a gang, until we learn their the worlds stupidest careworkers.
2. I'm pretty sure the absolute worst place to live during a Zombie apocalypse is a nursing home, for obvious reasons.
3. Starting to question the logic of camping out next to a major city filled with the undead. Why even go into Atlanta for supplies, anyway. Surely they can raid a small town somewhere and get just as many supplies.
4. Why did Super Cop, Asian Sidekick, B.Saint, and Token Black Dude run all the way back? World's over idiots, steal another car.
5. Wish this was on HBO, they make it nothing but Zombie headshots for 40 minutes, and cut the 35 min of drama.
6. I'm really beginning to wonder why Half-way-competent-racist-crossbow-guy is even shacking up with these people. They're all idiots, who are obviously going to get him killed. I'd rather watch him wonder the South killing random Zombies than watch these idiots slowly get themselves eaten cause they can't be bothered to fortify their position after a month.

35 Golly. Sorry about the OT.

 But who let the dogs out?  woof- woof. woooof.

Come back from the weekend and hoooley smokes.
  Commentors take over Ace's Nirvana?

M..kay...... I see some good names there...Go get 'em.  Monty rose from the compost pile.

Who's next? Who gets to do the morning Doom?

36 You reminded me that Laurie Holden, formerly of the X files, was in that movie as well, and she is wasted, as is Sarah Wayne Callies, who was one of the reasons to watch Prison Breaks first two seasons. They had to go all angst sridden.

37 How about we reboot this show next year, but this time make it about a bunch of 75 year old WWII and Korea vets fighting the zombie hoard. Given that most would be able to move like 2 miles an hour with their no longer powered PowerChairs, the zombies would actually be a sensible threat. Kind of  Gran Torino, but with Zombies instead of racial-gangs.

Cast Bettie White in the lead as a psycho former-nurse with a potty-mouth

38 I agree the lack of defensive positions is a flaw.

I guess the immediate reason the group was staying near Atlanta was that they were waiting for the rescue team to come back.  The larger reason, I think, was that they were looking for other survivors or some kind of rescue.  Remember their monitoring the CB in ep. 1.

39 The last five minutes I loved.  The rest of the episode:  Tedious, talky, politically-correct shit.  In other words, pretty much a repeat of last week.

If this is going to be the trend they needn't bother with a second season.

40

16 I suggested this before once:  they're attracted to noise so line up a bunch of woodchippers in a row and let the problem cure itself

That's TSA shit there, dude.

41

: Boy Yogi, the morons believe in zombies.

: And this is a surprize, Boo Boo.

: What if the show had dwarf hobo zombies, Yogi.

: Shoot for the hoop, Boo Boo. Shoot for hoop.

42

Two hours into this post, and we've got 41 comments.

I rest my case.

Wake me when it's over.

43 I don't think it's a stretch at all that the zombies made it into the camp, even with their moderately effective cans-on-a-string alarm fences around the perimeter, particularly if Merl, or whatever the one-handed guy is called, did indeed steal the truck, fill it up with zombies somehow, and then open 'er up close to the camp as revenge on the people who left him to die. It might be implausible, but I've gotta believe he has the know-how, and him being a nut-case, the motivation is no problem. I think we all knew as soon as we saw the first episode that this wasn't going to focus nearly as much on graphic ways to kill zombies as it was on how people react to Poop-hits-the-prop situations. I'm actually enjoying it pretty thoroughly. Also, aren't we all so glad that the wife-beater and the whiner are out of the way? Only hope that all annoying characters will pass as quickly.

44 Next week an Israeli and a Palestinian survivor join the group. The Israeli shows them how to build a fence and the Palestinian shows them how to make rockets.

45 There are only 5 episodes for this season so it will be over soon.

Haven't watched latest epi yet but I was kind of expecting some sort of clever/trimphant victory of the survivors over the Zombies.

If it doesn't happen by epi 3 of 5, I can't I imagine it will ever happen.

If so.  It is just hopeless.

All of these "characters" are in fact "red-shirts" destined to be gnawed on by super gross zombies, from the get-go.

Man, that sheriff dude should probably have stayed home and chatted with the torso-zombie in the park!

46 Let's see: civilization is toast, and several thousand years of medical knowledge has just been overturned.  And NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT!  Has anyone in this show expressed any amazement/curiosity about why the dead are coming back to life and eating everyone? Alien virus?  Bio war weapon gone wrong?  Mutated AIDS vaccine?  If zombies are real, maybe they should also worry about vampires and werewolves.

Just thinkin...

47

Not my favorite episode.  And OF COURSE the campsite was attacked during the fish fry.  While a zombie apocalypse is of course implausible to begin with, what is MORE implausible is a bunch of people camping in the open with no fence/ditch/mines, no sentries and having a big old fish fry DURING a zombie apocalypse.  Seriously, you'd think that the 1% of humanity that was left would put a little more thought into self-preservation than this group does.  Hell, even police officer Shane gets a total FAIL. 

Jim digging graves in some sort of altered state was interesting though. Some sort of vision of the future in his dreams?

I'm liking Daryl more and more each episode.  Something of a hothead, but in a good way.  His brother might be totally crazy, but I don't think he is. 

Well at least this incident should get them on the road to have more adventures than running in and out of Atlanta.

 

 

48 RIP. David Nolan founded the Libertarian Party when he was living in Denver in 1971. When he and a few libertarian-oriented friends watched Pres. Nixon announce wage and price controls, he said, “We need another party.”

49 Wonder if the people are hanging around Atlanta because that's where the CDC hq is.  Maybe they don't know what the hell happened and are trying to find out.  Just a guess.  I'm not watching the show just following what y'all are saying here.

50 Soooo, we got all these new fancy schmancy new bloggers and yet no morning headline thread?  Oh sure, we had umpteen ONT's all day yesterday but this morning....nada, zip, zilch.  Hmpf!

I demand a refund!  (I'll send something first so you can send it back.)

51 I don't know about fences, but someone should take the Blogging Dead's posting priviliges away. What, no Morning ONT thread?

52 Everybody knows that the best defense against zombies is stairs.

Oh, no, wait, that's daleks.

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54

Two hours into this post, and we've got 41 comments. I rest my case. Wake me when it's over.

Had to wait until well into Monday morning just to get to 50 posts.

Face it - if this series had good, conservative, ballsy screenwriters, instead of politically-correct, libtard, panty-waist, HUAC blacklisters, then we'd be looking at 500 to 750 comments - easily. [Maybe even 1250 to 1500.]

And so we witness yet another great idea being ruined by the nihilism of political correctness.

 

55 yes, they DID build a tin-can fence. if they did rely ONLY on that, then they deserve to be Zombie Chow. other things that bother me: Is there REALLY a quarry within sight distance of downtown Atlanta? and do forest and woods grow right up to and touching downtown Atlanta? are there no SUBURBS? where the EFF is DORAVILLE, huh? and why live in TENTS when you could go out and find a freaking RV? may not have running water or electricity, but it's a helluva lot better than a freaking TENT

56
One thing I do like about the series.  The Sheriff has a Colt Python.  And so do I.   

57 Grabbing the bag of guns: 

Why not use noise and distract the zeds away from the bag of guns..

instead of all the sneaking around.. 

58 My wife and I tried watching the first 3 episodes of this mess because of all the hype - and the mentions the show got here.

I saw nothing that made me want to watch the rest of it...seems to be sort of a daytime soap opera with lots of rotting corpses. Well, except the acting on most daytime soap operas is better.

There may be a great zombie TV series to be made, but this turkey ain't it.

Note to folks doing scripts: if ALL your main characters are morons (bad morons, not AoS morons, of course), it's really hard to give a crap if they get eaten by zombies or not...honestly, some of the rotting corpses seemed to have higher IQ's.

59

Expect the regulars to start droping like flies, 2 shows left and we still have almost all of the orignal cast...unless of course they plan to renew it for next season which is possible.

The redneck on the roof bit was predictable though.  They need to have had him get eaten in a most ugly way, it was too obvious that he would get away and now become an issue.  But what can you expect, even in a zombie movie the bad guy isn't the zombies, its the racist "teabagg'n" rednecks.

Oh, also noticed how the latino gang leader was actually a big hearted fellow helping out the old folks...maybe its just me, perhaps I am too cynical but the PC crap in a zombie movie is just about too much to handle.

Predictions:

One handed redneck is gunna get killed by his brother after the brother chooses the group over him.

Bad cop will go zombie on the group and be killed by the wife of the good cop.

Battered wife will get eaten, Hole digger will go down in a blaze of glory, Asian due will get eaten, surviving sister will get eaten (by her dead sister), hero and his family will live for now, Old dude with tools will live, Big black guy will live but the black woman wont (may be vise verse).

Also noticed something odd about the whole thing, the surprising lack of black people...this takes place in Atlanta, you would think there would be more black people in this show both living and dead but it seems to be rather white.  There were more black zombies in MJ's Thriller video then in this whole movie so far.  What kind of closet racism is that?

60 5 minutes into talking to the Chicos and no mention is made of them kidnapping Glenn.  (In the low rider no less.   The Walking Dead.  No stereotype unturned.)


It's the enlightened minority and the white guy apologizing all over again..

"mistakes were made.  On both sides."  

Bull shit.  Never enter into negotiations apologizing. 

61

<Q> Everybody knows that the best defense against zombies is stairs.

Oh, no, wait, that's daleks.
</Q>

 

Errrr, daleks conquered stairs some time ago.  

62 The fucking lead chico is lecturing Rick about appearances when they were the ones kidnapping Glenn then holding him gagged over the edge of the roof.

I might have to replay the beginning part but I'm pretty sure that when they drove up in their low rider, they jumped out and started to beat Glenn, the Asian kid first.

This is getting dumber and dumber by the second.

63 about six minutes until the ending.

The four are hoofing it back to camp..  Because they were able to steal one so easily in the past but now?  not so much.

The campers are in a food coma from the fish fry and the Zeds will walk into camp all at once.  Not one at a time but organized like.

64

other things that bother me: Is there REALLY a quarry within sight distance of downtown Atlanta?

Yes, yes there is. Flying from Atlanta Hartfield airport one can easily see a quarry during ascent.

The skyline in the background looks more like a developed suburb then the actual downtown Atlanta area.

65

I gotta ask, How come the fish after being caught did not turn into Zombie fish?

If you were surrounded by piles of rotting human's would you want to eat fish?

A zombie stinks, would not that make it easy to spot one approaching and would not a gaggle of zombies stink so bad you would know a mile away they were coming?

A quarry?, I'm thinking more like Stone Moutain and some barretts .50 BMG.

 

66 I think Merle may have taken some zombies to camp.

67 About the quarry..  That looks like more of a rainwater filled/ artesian aquifer that filled pitt..   There wouldn't be fish in there unless someone introduced them..  Same with frogs.

 

68 Dude, I was at the game too! 30 foot buzzer beater for the win! Go Clones!

69

There are several quarry's within sight of the skyline of Atlanta, two are just off I-20 west.

Fill quarry with Charcoal, set up John Lennon music loud, attract zombies, fill quarry then light 'em up Dudes! BAR-B-QUE!

70 FENCES: A 900 lb quarter horse can fer shure walk down a fence 9 100 lb zombies can walk a fence down too unless it's charged.

71

One thing, among many, that bothered me about this episode is the fish fry was at night. The old guy mentioned 100 degree temperatures which means July or August timeframe. Which means sunsets about 8:00pm to 9:00pm and dark probably about 30 minutes later. They could have had their fish fry around 7:00pm in day light.

72 Go Bluejays! 

73

FENCES: A 900 lb quarter horse can fer shure walk down a fence 9 100 lb zombies can walk a fence down too unless it's charged.

Depends on the fence. Also the fence could have bells on it to alert of danger. Anything would have been better then being sitting ducks around a camp fire.

 

74 At this point in the show, I'm basically thinking to myself that a lot of these dumbasses need to die. Red Forman would be dumbassing these dumbasses all over the place.

75 Didn't this violate how the zeds behaved earlier?

In  the first episode, they swarmed the horse and just stood there, eating at it like sharks in a feeding frenzy.

this time, they took a bite and moved on..

Stereotype Wife Beater Ed in the tent was big enough he could have satisfied the horde there no problem. 

Also..  There wasn't any issue with the guy digging the holes until they made it an issue.  Should have given the guy some water and let him be. 

76 Jeez Oh Petes, I'm reading way too much into this show that has zombies in it. 

77 unless of course they plan to renew it for next season which is possible.

AMC has already ordered 13 episodes for Season 2. Haven't you noticed the adverts for winning a "Stagger On" role as a Zack in Season 2?

78

 Jeez Oh Petes, I'm reading way too much into this show that has zombies in it. 

Its just the common sense violations that are irritating. Everyone should at least have a metal spike or be otherwise armed at all times by now. That blonde chick just let that zombie chomp into her arm. Same with Ed. Didn't even try to run or push back or fight or scream "Zombies!" or anything.

 

79 I'm a nong time reader here at AoSHq and infrequent poster... I guess that makes me a Lurker. Love the show "The Walking Dead" and have been reading the comic since the beginning. I run a Zombie Survival blog and the topic of fences for safety has come up often. Against a handful of Zeds a fence would be useful. However in the event of say hundreds or thousands of zombies knocking at your door, a standard fence will do little to help in the long run. Once zombies are onto your scent they will stop at nothing to eat you for brunch. Which means hundreds of bodies pushing against a standard fence would either topple the fence or the Zeds would eventually begin to crawl over one another and at some point their bodies would make a ramp and they would start spilling over into the compound. If you're gonna build a fence make it 30 feet high and reinforced, also slots for forklift skids to fit through to push them back would be ideal. Ideally you want a 3rd floor safehouse with only 2 ways in and 2 ways out... Know your exits! The best advice I can give is... DON'T... GET... BIT!

80 They've bagan deviating from the original story, and it shows. I'm all for deviating, showing a bit more of Atalanta, etc. but where are they going with this? The woman fishing at the beginning is foreshadowing. Noticing a lot of that in this series. When the guy , Jim? was tied to the tree and looked into the woods, you knew it was going to get nasty at some point. When they were having the fish fry and no one was on watch - BINGO! Zombies had a little feast of their own. The group was too big, you knew it was going to be some culling at some point, this didn't surprise me. The younger of the sisters getting killed did surprise me as it was the older on iin the comic which bought it later. Don't know what effect that is going to have on some later story elements... I think we pout the fence thing to rest weeks ago. Some thought it was a good idea, many didn't for various reasons. A more effective early warning systems was surely needed. they had a wire with cans, but it didn't detect the loner zed last week and didn't work on the hoard that showed up. Of course is someone had been on guard, then it wouldn't have been so bad. Remember, Glenn drove a loud, alarm blaring car right to their front door all the way from Atalanta. that was going to attract some attention. Should have been more heads up thinking from the group. As far a defensive positions go, a quarry isn't really that bad of an idea. It's not ideal, but has its advantages. The survivors are staying near Atlanta since it represents a type or normalcy. It is also easier to scavenge for supplies. There may also be some hope of 'authority' returning or whatever... It has only been weeks (not months) since the end, so people are holding on to old social constructs. Yeah, they should have gone to a more rural location. There are Wal-Marts and other store galore all over the place. Let's also remember 'The Walking Dead' is not a reference to the zeds, it about the survivors - THEY are 'The Walking Dead'. It is more like a soap opera. The zombies are a plot element, not the focus of the show. It is this way in the comic. Yeah, it has its share of PC nonsense, but what coming out of Hollywood doesn't? True Blood is rife with PC messaging, especially on homosexuality. I still enjoy that show as I enjoy this one. I think there are some conservative elements. The two protagonists are cops, county sheriff deputies. Military types are kind of passe and expected nowadays. And lets be honest, how do you think they would be portrayed? Rick cares only about his family. Life is to be protected. The vatos guarding the old folks is cheezy, but shows (to me) that some people are not willing to let go of their humanity. The old people could be left as zed bait and the younger, healthier survivors could make an easy escape - they aren't doing that. How easy could it be to throw a euthanasia reference in there? Not to say that they won't at some point, still... It's not a bad show, it could use some work though. I do expect some changes though next season. And for those who didn't know, AMC did sign on for another, 13 episode season. The only problem is are they going to go all True Blood, show a few episodes and then wait a year for the next season.

81

FENCE: Nope it's all a matter of weight and dedicated zombies LOL any fence can be breached by simply piling weight against the 90 degrees and push it over. get enough zombies together and they will squeeze through like sausages, pile up and spill over the top and I bet a zombie can dig too! I've seen 13 foot high chain link go down under a heavy tree limb falling on it.

 

82

Against a handful of Zeds a fence would be useful. However in the event of say hundreds or thousands of zombies knocking at your door, a standard fence will do little to help in the long run.

If 10 poorly armed survivors are faced with hundreds of thousands of zombies, a fence might not work, but neither would anything else.

83

Know your exits! The best advice I can give is... DON'T... GET... BIT!

Thanks for the advice Jason. About fenses, all I can say is that if there are 1000s of zombies attacking the game's almost over and the fence won't help. If there are only a few zombies attacking then a fence is ideal. You know, mankind has been building fences and walled protected areas for defensive purposes for thousands of years, you think it be on the first order of business in the zombie apocalypse.

84

FENCE: Nope it's all a matter of weight and dedicated zombies LOL any fence can be breached by simply piling weight against the 90 degrees and push it over. get enough zombies together and they will squeeze through like sausages, pile up and spill over the top and I bet a zombie can dig too! I've seen 13 foot high chain link go down under a heavy tree limb falling on it.

Of course any fence can be breached. So why the hell do people still build fences? Because its an effective means of limiting entrance into an area. It may not be able to keep out hundreds or thousands but it can keep some.

85 Bad news -- Most armories don't stock ammo any more. Least they didn't when I was in. That's why it took so long to get the Guard in for the LA riots. They had to ship the ammo in from Ord, upstate. Whatchoo got in the basement is it, guys.

86 I suspect they are going to build the tension in the next episode and in the last, there will be a huge blood bath with some characters getting chomped on and others who we will have to wait until next season to see if they are alive or zombie hors d'oeuvres. I don't know if this was addressed before, but what goes in, must come out. So do zombies poop? I imagine they just poop in the street.

87 I had a problem with the ninja zombies. Even if Merle did drive them up to the camp, he couldn't have gotten too close or they would've heard the truck engine. So, somehow, the zombies were able to shuffle/shamble/stumble through the woods (even for a short distance) and no one heard them coming?

88 You may not be able to prevent them from getting through, but you can slow them down. Create a bottle neck. Then you get the flame throwers....

89 People have indeed been building fences for centuries. the only problem with your postulation is that they have NOT been building fences for centuries with zombies waiting to chomp on their flesh.

90 Most 'armories' either at police departments or local guard units only have a small amount of ammo on hand - a few thousand rounds at most, almost all of it for small arms. There won't be any HE, mines, rockets, stuff like that. Larger amounts of ammo and the bigger stuff will be stored in more remote, more secured locations

91 Zombies do not poop. They are dead. Their body doesn't process nutrients anymore. AS explained in the Zombie Survival Guide, zombies will gorge until their insides burst, then everything will simply fall out of the opening.

92 They need guard dogs. The dogs would smell/hear the zombies before the humans.

93 Do the fish they eat around the campfire come back as zombie fish?

94 The quarry is in Atlanta proper and is the Bellwood Quarry.   The City of Atlanta recently purchased it and is going to develop it into a park and reservoir.

95

Fucking standard issue civilian, dumbass, dead/zombified, summer type, tan, one each.

There are lots of ways to survive a zombie outbreak, but kickin' it in the Etlanna suburbs is not one of them. Reconnaissance and mobility are keys.

96 A fence could also have herded the Zeds into more a kill zone..  They showed enough sense to try a door knob in the first episode..  Wouldn't they follow a fence until they find an opening? 

Cows are that smart.  Why not Zombies?

97 Remember the string of cans they put around the camp? Either the writers forgot about or Merle done cut the strings.

98 Okay, for serious now.  I can't be the only one who likes Daryl, right?  The guy is like Jayne Cobb: ambiguous morals but loyal to family (for better or worse) and good in a fight.  Give me more Daryl!

99
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"The campers are in a food coma from the fish fry and the Zeds will walk into camp all at once.  Not one at a time but organized like"

I remember that one of the zombies in the first episode looked sentient.  This was when the sheriff was taking his horse into Atlanta and they passed a bus full of zombies.  That might be interesting.
The first episode showed a lot of promise, but the series has been disappointing.  Aside from the usual PC bullshit, the series lacks the attention to detail that the first episode displayed.  It's like there were two different writers.

100 I turned it off when the Sheriff decocked his revolver while still pointed at the brothers head. Doesn't anyone in Hollywood know how to handle a gun?

I was disappointed last week when they could not figure out that kicking the threaded rod would break free the beam clamp it was on, and then the idiot cut off his own hand.

Zombies I can handle, but who would believe these flubbs?

101

People have indeed been building fences for centuries. the only problem with your postulation is that they have NOT been building fences for centuries with zombies waiting to chomp on their flesh.

yeah, just animals (faster, sharper teeth) and other people (smarter, weaponmaking) wanting to kill them.

The characters already stated they were in a relatively zombie free area. Hell just get some chain and chicken wire from Lowes and wrap from tree to tree to isolate an area. Something, anything.

102 Why was one of the zombies resting while sitting in a car in Atlanta?  I thought they just walked around all day and night.

According to the comic, there are two types of zombies, active and passive. Active zombies shamble around looking for food, passive zombies sit and wait until something disturbs them.

103 Don't forget the politically active zombies!  They're the worst ones!

104 Don't forget the politically active zombies!  They're the worst ones!

Yeah, because they typically vote democrat.

105 and nets too. Net, lots of nets. Just throw over a zombie and immobilize him for a good head bashing.

106 Yeah, it has its share of PC nonsense, but what coming out of Hollywood doesn't? True Blood is rife with PC messaging, especially on homosexuality. I still enjoy that show as I enjoy this one.



I won't watch True Blood for that very reason.  What the great John Simon said of The Crying Game applies there too: it's simply homosexual propaganda.

107 How stupid can these people be?  All you have to do is wait it out.  Gather supplies, hunker down and fortify for 3-6 months MAX.  The zombies will decompose and be finished. Then you can start rebuilding.

108
Stereotype Wife Beater Ed in the tent was big enough he could have satisfied the horde there no problem.

Could a zombie outbreak ever really reach into the thousands anyway? At a certain point they're going to completely devour anyone brought down so new ones would be less and less likely to be created.

109 After a good night's sleep, I realized that the zombies were able to attack the camp en masse without triggering the perimeter alarms because they were delivered by Merle in the van.

110 Oops, missed #43 above.

111 because they were delivered by Merle in the van.

He could have lured them into the van and jumped through the little door that separated the door and the cargo area.  then ran around to shut the back door.

I guess he could have climbed up on top of the van and opened it that way.

I'm guessing the stand off with Merle will happen in the last episode. 

112

Just a quick question about that cop who stayed in the camp...

Let me get this straight.

If you beat your wife, he will kick the shit out of you (if he just got dissed by his fellow officer's wife).

If you start digging holes in the ground, he'll body slam you and tie you to a tree for a couple of hours.

So we know he is all about going hands on if he thinks you are out of line.

But ensuring that there is some sort of security posted during a fish fry?  He won't go that far?

Making sure everyone is armed with zombie effective weapons at all times (club, tire-iron, gun, etc) is a bridge too far?

OK, I get it.

113 Has anyone here who is a fence activist actually ever built a fence? A real fence? Building a small corral fence can take a week, ten days, depending on weather and the types of tools your using - and that's with a decent workforce, 5 or 6 good workers. Ever dig a post hole? Ever dig a post hole with a hand-held post hole digger? Not the mechanical, engine powered ones. Ever dig a dozen of them? 40? 50 or more? They are in wooded terrain. If they were going to build any kind of fence, it should have been a wire type - three or four strands of wire strung between trees, etc. That's all they could have realistically done, I'll grant you that. But it's only effectiveness would have been as an early warning 'net'. A dozen or more TMD zeds are going to get through this type of barrier relatively quickly. In the attack they had last night, a sentry or two would have been all they needed. Even before Rick and the others showed up, with the firepower they already had, plus the hand-to-hand had they had some warning, they would have faired better. That being said, the purpose of the attack wasn't for any reason other than to add some action/suspense and cull the group for drama purposes. Only a few people go into town and actively expose themselves to attack. Sooner or later, the enemy is going to find you as they did last night. And with all the shooting? They had one zed show up last week. This week we had a dozen or so. More are coming and no damn fence is going to do any good!

114

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1) As I mentioned in my previous comment, i really like Daryl.  He seems to be the most competent member of the group, if hotheaded.  Him and the cop make a good team.

2) Gangbanger eldercare?  Right.  Okay, fine, I get it.  They're noble savages.  Whatever.  In what postapocalyptic world does it make sense to beat other survivors senseless before finding out if they're friend or foe?  And then holding one of them hostage?  I don't get the thought process there.  I understand that people can turn into villainous little scavenging bastards in a postapocalyptic situation, and in many ways it's every man for himself.  But shouldn't you at least, I don't know, observe first? Before trying to brain another survivor with a pipe? 

What are the odds that Cop & Co. would be traveling back to Atlanta for those guns at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME as Gangbanger Eldercare?

And how the heck did Gangbanger Eldercare not hear all the noise Cop & Co. made just the day before when they all went squealing and screaming and car-alarm-blaring out of the city?  They're all in the same general vicinity; it's not like Gangbanger Eldercare is on the other side of the city.  So WTH?

3) *sigh* Okay, I like the show, but some of the foreshadowing is just... It's like a mallet right between the eyes.  Case in point - Older!sister scrambling around to find wrapping paper for younger!sister's necklace, because it's younger!sister's birthday.  Raise your hands everyone who sensed younger!sister's iminent role as zombie food.

*hand raised*

I'm intrigued, though, because Amy (younger!sister) is one of the only characters actually listed on the AMC homepage for the show, along with her sister.  I'm almost wondering if she'll have some kind of miracle resurrection that doesn't involve her becoming a zombie.  Doubtful to the extreme, but so are the odds of two completely autonomous groups of survivors converging on the exact same bag of guns at the exact same time in the middle of an enormous, deserted city populated almost exclusively by the walking dead.

4) I agree with previous commenters -- why the hell didn't Cop & Co. just steal another damn car instead of running back to camp? 

5)  Building on point number four, why exactly are Cop & Co's little group of survivors even hanging around?  Why haven't they gone all nomad?  I like to think if I had the fuel and provisions, I'd be trucking it the hell away from Atlanta and every other major metropolis, scanning the radio waves and searching for other survivors.  I'd at least want to go somewhere more defensible than an exposed hillside surrounded by dense foliage that is apparently excellent at obscuring the moans and shuffling footsteps of ravenous zombie herds.

6) Why was Carl hanging around with Shane when Shane went to give Jim some more water?  Didn't cop!wife Lori state categorically in last week's episode that he was supposed to stay away from her family? 

7) Not crying that Ed is dead.  I got a serious incesty vibe from him when he grabbed his daughter's wrist and told her to "keep your daddy company."  CREEPY.  So he was a wife-beater, child abuser, and potentially an incestuous pedophile.  It was wonderfully satisfying to watch him get nommed.

I enjoy the human drama of the series (though I could do without the excruciating PC preachiness), but I agree: less chit chat, more Daryl-shooting-zombies-in-the-head-with-an-arrow, please. 

115 Yeah, this show has been a bit of a disappointment. And the plotting of each show has been pretty thin. ie takes too long to get to the point you know is coming. Daryl has become the most interesting character, which is unfortunate since the Sheriff is the main hero. The "whole PC White people = evil, Everybody else = angels" has been particularly tiresome. "Vatos" as caregiving Smurfs was just stupid. More zombie attacks and more killing off of main and secondary characters would help a lot. I don't believe in the zombie apocalypse right now, because the zombies haven't been particularly effective. People are only getting killed when they're stupid. So, I liked the fish fry scene because it took away any sense of normalcy. Guesses? I'm assuming we'll see the black guy from the first show and his kid again before the end. Maybe to kill the Sheriff's zombified wife cause he knows first hand just how hard that is. The Deputy will betray the Sheriff because he's already done it before- end of season cliffhanger? Daryl will definitely kill his brother, though probably as a mercy( festering arm, zombie) as well as knowing it needs to be done. I don't know that I'm interested in next season. The next two shows better be awesome Or I'm done. Like Mad Men, they probably have an idea of where they want to go, but it's a thin idea. They're padding things out too much now and it's only the first season. And speaking of Mad Men, I'm done. They had about as close to a happy ending for that show as possible last season. Don got married to someone who wasn't a perfectionist, whiny bitch. Yeah, yeah the series ended with him staring into an empty room across the alley. but hey, he's that guy. He's alway going to be staring into the empty room.

116 Why don't they head over to Anniston Army Depot? 

117 As to the fortifying and waiting it out. Not a bad idea, if the zeds decompose at a more or less constant rate. In WWZ, ten years after the zombiclypse, they are still dealing with the occasional zed in various areas, primarily the north and some occasionally walk up on shore. The theory is sound, but one wonders about time frames due to the various times some zeds are created. How fast does a corpse decompose? I think we've established that normal carrion eating organisms don't eat zombie flesh. Would zombies decay normally if the organism which aid in decomposition don't work? I don't know. As far as I read in the comics it was never explained and hasn't been in the series thus far. Not a bad idea though. But logistically, 'holing up' is a lot harder than it seems, especially for a large group of people.

118

The theory is sound, but one wonders about time frames due to the various times some zeds are created. How fast does a corpse decompose? I think we've established that normal carrion eating organisms don't eat zombie flesh. Would zombies decay normally if the organism which aid in decomposition don't work?

I wonder about this, too.  In the first episode Hero!Cop encountered that crawling, decayed torso that was still dragging itself along in search of (presumably) food.  And in last week's episode Daryl had to put an arrow through the decapitated zombie head because it was still "alive."  Exactly how long do you have to wait for whatever eldritch force is animating these zombies to wear off?  Until their brains rot away?  How much of their brain is needed for them to function?  And how many stupid survivors are going to be eaten before people figure this out?

119 Maybe it's an age thing.  We oldsters can't take as much prolonged Zombie carnage as you youngsters.  I like the moments of normalcy that might seem boring to video-game addicts.

120 I don't know that I'm interested in next season. The next two shows better be awesome Or I'm done.

I'll wait out the til the ending but I might be done with it as well.

 

121 http://bit.ly/biwk26

Heh.. Noble Savage is right..      In a low-rider no less.

122

Has anyone here who is a fence activist actually ever built a fence? A real fence?

Something anything would have been better than nothing. What the hell else are they doing? Women down at the water washing clothes, men doing nothing, just standing around.

 

123 The thing that annoyed me was the good cop/bad cop they had going with the White looking Vato.

Rick seemed to be more along the guy's side making nicey nice rather than being the one to hold back Daryl. 

He's doing it wrong.

124 We've seen that their behavior departs from what we're used to seeing on other zombie fiction. Beginning with the little girl zombie picking up the teddy bear ... they can climb, they can pick up rocks to smash glass ... on the plus side, they wander off once they can't sense living humans any more, meaning that if they can't get at you and you're quiet for a while, they'll go away as long as they can't see or smell you. George Romero/Max Brooks zombies never stop trying to get into a structure/through a barrier where they've sensed humans, and their activity and groaning attracts more and more ...

125 #122 above, Max Brooks offers the twist that the virus that animates the zombies also preserves them since it's toxic to animals insects and bacteria. So they don't decompose, they just sort of wear out as muscle tissue stretches and can't repair itself, tendons and ligaments detach. They freeze in the winter and animate again once the temperature goes back up, and they wander around underwater, so even years after World War Z, they're prone to popping up here and there.

126 So would a zombie with a broken back not be able to walk anymore?

If a quadriplegic became a zombie, he would still be a quadriplegic..  right?

 

127 The Deputy will betray the Sheriff because he's already done it before- end of season cliffhanger?

Shane gets killed and becomes a zombie.

128 Once a show begins giving away a spot as an "extra", hasn't it run its course.  Sure, this may be a little different because of the dedicated zombie-genre crowd, but it seems like a last gasp effort to drum up support for the show.

I had higher hopes for the show, but at some point answers need to be given in order to address glaring inconsistencies within the show.

129 We all know it, but it has to be said anyway - the best series on TV is Hellcats.

130 @131 Actually in the BBC show The Dead Set this very thing happened, though the zed was a quadriplegic, but was in a wheelchair apparently without the use of its legs. After is zombified, it still wiggled around in the chair until trying to get at a person, then fell out of the chair, but couldn't walk. It could presumably crawl if it wanted. A quadriplegic would simply wiggle around, hoping for something to get near its mouth I suppose...

131 @132 Shane gets killed and becomes a zombie. Zombie with a cause? He follows sheriff and family cause he wants the wife's sweet sweet love .......and brains!

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118Has anyone here who is a fence activist actually ever built a fence? A real fence?
Ever dig a post hole? Ever dig a post hole with a hand-held post hole digger? Not the mechanical, engine powered ones. Ever dig a dozen of them? 40? 50 or more?


catmman at November 22, 2010 12:28 PM (DTzwU)

That would be a big "yes" to each of your questions.  Been there, done that, got the blisters and back aches to show for it.

And the security that goes along with it.

So while this is just a for fun thread about zombies, yeah, I've done all of that.

So...do you want the a.m fence building shift?  Or the p.m fence building shift?  Pick one.

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catmman at November 22, 2010 12:36 PM (DTzwU)

I think part of the problem with zombies decomposing is that a lot of them don't rot, they dry out.  They are still shambling zombies, but getting leathery, rather than falling to pieces.

134

WWGSD?

(What Would General Sherman Do?)

135 "92 You may not be able to prevent them from getting through, but you can slow them down. Create a bottle neck. Then you get the flame throwers...."

Hundreds of flaming zombies stumbling around would do nothing but burn down your safehouse. Flame throwers are a very BAD idea.

136 That's why you build a fence. You block them, set them on fire, they set the other zombies on fire, and they don't set you onfire because of a fence.

137 Get a dozer running and dig a deep hole about 200 yards aross 20-30 feet deep, then use the dozer to wreck the ramp then abandon dozer in bottom, use rope latter to crawl out.  Then put some kind of lure in the pit, lights, sound, blood, whatever it takes and when the pit is full enough torch it and then set up the next trap.  Ok not a one man operation but might get it done in a day with half doz folks and machines.

138 That would be a rope ladder...

139 As to rotting or not rotting zeds, a lot would depend on climate. The more humid, the faster the rot, The drier, the more the flesh would tend to 'tan' or 'leather'. In the Zombie Survival Guide, zeds to deteriorate. One of the stories tells about zombies lasting for a long time trapped in an old desert fort. After many years though, the fort was found again. upon inspection, no bodies were found, but several piles of bones were discovered.

140

I have become a big fan of this show. It just happens that I rock at playing Call of Duty "World at War" Nazi Zombies and the new Black Ops Zombie map.

It's simple strategy folks funnel the Zombies into only ONE possible path and blow the shit out of them. You just need to leave a escape route.

As far as logic and WTF were they thinking simply look at the first episode when the main charactor gets out of the hospital bed. He's got an I.V. in him but never has to urinate or deficate. He should have been wet from pissing himself but he's dry as a bone and not packing a load in his drawers.

Aquiring guns should have been priority #1! The cop knew this. Transportation, defensible camp (tents?),fuel, food and communication are all the most basic survival needs.

I am with the others that suspect the one handed guy with bringing the zombies back to camp. Moving forward these dipshits need to hit the road. They need a fortified camp with lot's of fuel and ammo. The folks left at the end of the world are going to be ruthless and you should not trust ANYONE! Get armed up, set up a defensive perimeter and continue to fortify with more bodies and more stuff like armored vehicles and military gear i.e. night vision goggles etc.

Next year should be better after the charactors are established. Just remember in COD the zombies ALWAYS win!!!

141

He's got an I.V. in him but never has to urinate or deficate. He should have been wet from pissing himself but he's dry as a bone and not packing a load in his drawers.

We talked about this alot in the first thread.  The general concensus among medical professionals, and people who either were hospitalized, or had fasted was that the GI tract stops pushing out solid waste fairly quickly under similar circumstances, and that his not being covered in stools was pretty plausible.

We didn't talk about the water as much, but again, once you get into a situation where your water intake is eliminated, your water waste output will decline.

142

I just saw this for the first time last night. Not bad. I'm wondering how far that chick went with her husbands best friend.

The thing that got me - why the hell are they not raiding every sporting goods store in the phone book? Only 1 crossbow and like 5 bolts??

Also, is it respect for now-defunct federal and state regulations that prevents them from making home-made silencers??

It doesn't seem that difficult for them. Same for gas, construction materials, etc. etc. That's like 75% of the fun of the zombie apocalypse is demand is reduced by 99.9% and you've got all those free supplies to pimp yourself out ala Mad Max.

Especially against zombies... leather armor would suffice. Why the hell don't they hit the nearest motorcycle dealer and pick up an nice thick leather riding suit and helmet? Ain't no zombie gonna bite through that... at least not unless they're gnawing for quite some time.

Biker leathers... A silenced pistol and rifle.. a katana, a crossbow, weld some railroad style plow on the front of a muffled motorcycle and you can zip around and loot till your heart's content.

I want a jeep, for basic getting around, a couple of bikes for getting around in tight places like cluttered highways or roads, a semi with a gas tank trailer, an armored truck for hauling stuff like lumber (and also to have for transporting people)...

Just go to the suburbs, break into a gas station, steal a phone book and look up your nearest refinery... your nearest Cabella's, your neareset Brink's... and don't forget your American Express.

They're siphoning gas out of cars and taking tires off... Drive the car you fools! Like you can't get more tires at NTB or Pep Boys and throw them in the trunk...

143

The other thing that gets me is if they bite you, they infect you...

Yet no one smacking them in the head with a shovel sees fit to wear goggles or a mask as they spatter rotting brain bits around? What if that dude's amygdala gets in your eye.

Also... does that dude sanitize those bolts with denatured alchohol and holding them in fire before he shoots food with them again? I'm not sure I want to eat anything he kills.

144

First, you can't defend the camp by simply profiling zombies, most of whom are peaceful.  Only a minority want to eat your brains.  It's wrong to generalize the actions of a radical minority of zombies out to the moderate majority.

The best thing to do is set up a security checkpoint outside the camp and run everyone through it, living and dead, to be fair.  In lieu of full body scanners, security personnel should rely on a thorough pat down of everyone, taking particular care to explain to the zombies what they are doing as they examine their genital areas, with special sensitivity to the cognitive handicaps suffered by those of the zombie persuasion.  If zombies have no weapons, invite them in.  And it wouldn't hurt to lose all that bigoted language:  walkers, geeks, zeds, the undead.  It's exclusionary and hurtful. 

"Why do they hate us," should be the question the living should ask, rather than assuming a default posture of hostility.  The fact is that America has never been welcoming to zombies and bears a long, ugly history of oppression that legitimizes the zombie struggle and legitimizes it.  The zombie apocalypse was made in America, my friends, with America's zombies coming home to roost.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you've done right by the zombies. Have you ever said hello to one in the street and enquired about their well-being?  Have you ever invited one home for dinner?  Or are you the typical chauvinist American bourgeois who considers zombies as somehow inferior, dirty, lacking in brains and initiative to change their station in life?

The only way we will achieve social justice on this issue is through legislation, specifically my new ZombieCare bill now being written in Congress that will enact important protections for zombies that will incorporate them into the American mainstream.  Yes, we can! 

145

Also, building a fence becomes easier if you can steal a backhoe and a cement truck and a MIG welder.

Hell if I could steal free materials I'd be building one right now, just for kicks. When the alternative "not building one at all, ever" you don't have to rush.

And what else you gonna do all day with no TV when your not out looting or drinking looted booze and hitting on the only 3 remaining eligible chicks on the planet so far as you can be certain?

Who, I might add, will probably like your giant and symbolically phallic fence.

146 "150. Also, building a fence becomes easier if you can steal a backhoe and a cement truck and a MIG welder."

The zombies in the "The Walking Dead" universe are attracted to sound and smell. Firing up a backhoe and a cement truck will bring hundreds. Granted you are in a backhoe and could easily eliminate huge swaths of Zeds but I'm not sure what blood does to the cement mixture you have.

Your best bet in the ZA (that's Zombie Apocalypse for you Morons) is to screw the fence, find a 3rd floor warehouse, board it up and lie low for a few weeks. If they don't know you're there... no fence is required.

147 I haven't built a fence, but I get that it isn't easy. That said, neither is surviving zombie apocalypse. Sure, it wouldn't stop thousands, but they didn't get thousands. They got tens of them at best, and with just a little advance warning that a fence would bring, it's unlikely anyone would have died.

Barring that, there are still so many other things they could have done to give the camp a fighting chance.

So far, it seems really difficult to get killed by a zombie. Even chaining someone to a roof with starving zombies nearby isn't enough. The door was still chained, and there's no reason to believe any zombies were able to get through it. So really, minimal protection is all you need to survive here, and they didn't even bother with that. Cans are no protection. It's a joke that they even thought they were.

Also, why is Daryl the only one with a crossbow? They're not they difficult to make (I made a few when I was 11 for a class project - and this was before easy access to the Internet), but even if they're too difficult for our main characters, why not at least make a bow and arrow? These people just do not have survival instincts. If people like these are still alive, then how in the world did they get so many zombies?

I still like the show, but it's not at all what it could be.

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Ever dig a post hole? Ever dig a post hole with a hand-held post hole digger? Not the mechanical, engine powered ones. Ever dig a dozen of them? 40? 50 or more?

It's a zombie apocalypse man, have some vision.

You look up "excavation equipment rentals" in the yellow pages and jack the shit!

There's nothing in a zombie apocalypse that cannot be solved with the proper application of stealing, including those things which require the proper application of stolen explosives.

I even know where a National Guard Armory is. Close, too. I don't know what the hell they actually keep in there or if there's guns or a tank or what. But, in the event of zombipocalyspe I'd love to bust into the place and find out - assuming the Guard doesn't mobilize and jack it all first before getting eaten.... bastards..

That's the only stuff that's difficult to loot, low in supply and high in demand in a zombie apocalypse. Claymores... grenade launchers.. jeep-mounted machine guns, Russian HIND attack choppers... I guess no apocalypse is ever perfect.

149 #95 I've never read it, but from what you say, ZSG has a big hole in it. It takes energy to move around. It comes from food. If the zombies cannot process nutrients, that means one of two things. They use up what energy they have stored by metabolizing their own tissue and cease to move. (At some later point, even the brain would stop). This would happen within months at most. Or they draw on some other source of energy. Eldritch, extra-dimensional, solar, wind, what have you. Whatever it is, it puts a whole different estimation on how long zeds would be around.

As far as the show goes, I've watched the episodes. I don't really have a problem with any cinematic licenses taken. Wouldn't add to the show if they spent time on dealing with how badly the sheriff was soiled after being unattended. Also, have no problem with it never raining. etc.

But except for a couple, the adult characters are not survivors. The only people anywhere near zeds would have learned long before several weeks had passed to be effectively armed at all times or dead. Really, parents making no more provision for the safety of their kids than to insist they stay nearby an unarmed mother? This is supposedly both America and the south. A lack of guns?

They'd be well-armed and easily so. Army or national guard positions overrun by zombies means weapons and unspent ammo lying around that the winners wouldn't be hauling off. They'd be overrun police, civilian, and rump militia defensive positions also. The sheriff has passed by Army/Guard positions twice. First one by the hospital in his home town and the next in Atlanta. Both positions he passed had humvees mounting either 7.62mm  or M2 .50 cal machine guns. 7.62mm buys you a lot of space and I don't care if it's a body shot, .50 cal tears bodies to shreds. Now maybe scavenging the Atlanta position would have been a problem for the sheriff, but it implies there would be others.

 The Vatos would be cruising around in humvees, not low riders, and wouldn't be fretting over a bag of shotguns

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I'd be pretty pissed off I busted in and found naught but 435 years worth of MRE's.

Although... that wouldn't be terrible either.

A whole warehouse full of like... firing pins for guns but no guns.. that would suck.

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 The Vatos would be cruising around in humvees, not low riders, and wouldn't be fretting over a bag of shotguns

See, now this guy has vision.

We got some goober up there complaining it's too hard to build a corral fence. He's dead, Jim. Zombiefood.

But you, you can help me copilot the surplus Soviet HIND attack chopper I jacked and we'll go cruising for surivor chicks to repopulate with.

152 The wannabee gang-banger/geriatric nurse who got shot in the posterior with one of Darryl's used, dirty arrows is soon to be a zombie.  The nursing home will become be a zombie hostel.  They have taken great pains to show us how Darryl pulls an arrow out of a zombie eye socket and merely wipes it off on something.

153 I'm not up on Zombie-lore...  but using the young sister as an example... will she come back as a zombie?  Or assuming she was killed by the zombie, is she dead-dead?

I guess I was half-expecting her eyes to reopen and for her to lunge at her older sister with crazy zombie eyes...

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Another kicker in that scene. The sheriff, his family, and every other person who survived the attack all stared sympathetically at the sister scene. Not one attempted to pull the blond away from her younger incipient zombie sister. Also, wouldn't the 3 or 4 zombies who entered Ed's tent still be a threat. Not one person panned in the scene was still in eyes on the perimeter mode. I also expect a pathetic scene next week when the older blond refuses to allow the younger dead one to be brained.

Like I said, these people are not run up the learning curve survivor types.

155 And as the thread has devolved into discussions we had three weeks ago, comments from newcomers not up on the discussion at hand and just plain silliness from the guy wanting to steal attack helicopters but making fun about how hard it is to build a fence... See you all at next weeks comment thread.

156 @161

From what I can tell the first three weeks of comments were the proverbial "my schlong is bigger than yours" debate with everything from "how to build a fuckin' fence and how I'd build it" to "where I'd go in a the great zombie apocalypse because I'm fuckin' smarter than you" in the great zombie apocalypse with a smattering of opinion about the show and its glaring issues.

And in the great "my dick is bigger than yours" debate, I win.  Just look at my name... Bear "fuckin'" Grylls

157

Hey there, Big Bear, as long as we keep this all in fun, it's all good.

Now report to the fence building detail ASAP.

You wanna argue "how to build a fuckin' fence and how I'd build it?"

You can do that with a shovel in your hand and a roll of barbed wire at your feet.

Aww... the lack of leather gloves is causing you all sorts of pain in your hands?  Gee...that's too bad.  Now you're on latrine clean out detail.  No gloves here either. Guess you'll just have to clean it out one dirty handfull at a time.

Anyone else want off of the fence detail?  I didn't think so.

You're in my world now, "Big Bear".

158 a fence would have been good...

something as simple as some tanglefoot wire just wrapped between some trees a foot or so off the ground would work too. even just as simple as some electrical wire or scrounged cable wound around a tree once and stretched to the next.

better would have been a boat or 2. at night when the zombies are more active..everyone into the boats to rest. anchor way out in that quarry. I doubt those zombies can swim.

at the very least they should have parked closer to the water and bumper-to-bumper the vehicles "circling the wagons" so to speak.

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LOL, ed.  it's all fun and good. no need for latrine duty.  besides i got go stab a boar with my pocket knife, then eat it raw - cause I'm Bear "fuckin'" Grylls