1

"but I could swear that I heard him tell his camcorder that the loss of the tissue samples in the lab sterilization was a big setback because all other zombie tissue was "necrotic dead tissue". Now, if you're into foreshadowing, you might think that a doctor who needs tissue from a newly infected person who hasn't "died" and reanimated yet might just view any new people coming into his laboratory as lab rats instead of allies."

Or they could take a team and head back to the tree to find Jim?

2 I liked the choice of the name "Wildfire" -- nice homage to The Andromeda Strain.

3 I think we've all heard the spoiler on how this ends (at least in the written version)

No worries about spoilers; the TV version is going to be totally different from the written version.  In the comic, *spoiler* Shane was dead by issue #6, having been killed by Carl, of all people. None of this shit about the lone remaining biochemist at the CDC happened.

And my, the loss of The Only Available Magic Tissue That Could Well Have Resulted in a Cure was certainly convenient, wasn't it?  I dunno; last week's episode was so incredibly stupid, and Rick in particular was so incredibly stupid (giving half his guns to the gangbangers-with-hearts-of-gold and then leading his group back to camp on foot) that I'm having trouble taking this show seriously now.  In the preview for next week's ep somebody mentions that the French were the last to hold out against the worldwide zombie pandemic, which tells you right there how realistic all of this is.

(And I guess we're never going to see Merle again?  Not that I want to, but....)

4 This show jumped the shark early on. Moved on two episodes ago.

5 So the family that took off on their own for their relatives... Mearle-fodder?

6 4 This show jumped the shark early on.

Pretty much.  I'm not too sad that the second season won't start for nearly another year.

I am sad that I'm not sad, though, because this show had so much promise.

7 5 So the family that took off on their own for their relatives... Mearle-fodder?

Oh man, I hadn't thought about that.  A good guess though, given that they're minorities and this show loves to play the race card.

8
I am sad that I'm not sad, though, because this show had so much promise.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 29, 2010 01:40 AM (zzaXK)

Yeah. Sucks that it's the only show in the genre. World War Z would work as a series. Maybe if the movie's a success someone could pitch that.

9 I liked the choice of the name "Wildfire" -- nice homage to The Andromeda Strain.

Posted by: Purple Fury at November 29, 2010 01:29 AM (uaErf)

Whuzat? We're just big Bill Ayers fans.

10 WWZ - and not a linear series with a bunch of shit characters like the clusterfuck TWD is. Anthology form as the book is written. After adapting the best stuff that didn't make the movie, move onto other sources and/or solicit new tales. Make it like The Twilight Zone for zombies.

11 they're gonna fucking ruin WWZ.  guaranteed.

12 Wanna hear a zombie pick up line? Sure you do. Here. 'Brains!'

13 What could have happened to the magic tissue samples that could have saved humanity? And who left the damn mayo out without a lid again?!

14 Not to re-hash the fence issue from last week but The Buddy System would have been better and maybe helped to save some lives.

15

This show caught, killed, dismembered, cooked, consumed, & shat out the remains of  the shark early on.

FIFY.

Seriously, though - what's happened to storytelling? I wonder if the "pre paid" approach to series television, instead of giving writers & producers (ever notice they're now often one & the same??) "Freedom", actually allows for lazy scriptwriting & storytelling...

16 In the comic book, Jim was the only one of the group at the campsite who was actually from Atlanta (and he was able to give Rick and Glenn directions to the nearest gun store).  His family had been attacked by zombies and he was suffering from guilt and depression because he had ran away and left them behind.  He asked to be left on the outskirts of Atlanta so he could be with his family when he came back as a zombie.

17 i tried to watch TWD, i gave it the ol' college heave-ho...but its just too damn DUMB. the bad editing and characters did it for me early on, and i could care less if anyone lives or dies. oh well, it was worth a shot.

18

What was up with the American flag in Dale's camper?  Why was it upside down?  How did they get that poj running again after dumping Jim under a tree when the radiator hose went again?  The zombie should have been allowed to eat her sister- one less caharacter- should have kept Jim instead.

 

The CDC- are they kidding?  Atlanta is zombie town and they go back a third time?  How about scarfing up the guns and ammo as they get closer to the building?  a couple of them should have been doing that as they were out of food and gas.

19 Russ, if you watched the "scenes from next week's episode" you will see that the sister who survives is infected. I am guessing she will sacrifice herself for the greater good.

20

Are people complaining about story telling for a tv series about zombies? Really? Were you expecting Billiam Shakespeare?

I think the show is good. It is a decent mix of zombie attacks and character development.

Is it really that bad? Would you prefer one entire episode be nothing but dialogue? It's a fricking zombie show, 10-20% of the show does have to include zombies or zombie attacks.

My biggest complaint is that the CDC guy said the French held out. Really? I would have thought they would have surrendered, collaborated and then sold all their jews to the zombies.

21

What's Merle's brothers name? I really like him. He's my favorite character. He's the only one with the natural instincts of survival.

I hope he survives the entire series, however they way they are building him up makes me think he's going to die sacrificing himself to save everyone else. It is the exact opposite of what you would expect from him. That's why its going to happen.

22 I guess the Shane-gets-it-for-being-a-jealous-douchebag scene is getting held off for Season 2. Don't give me that "spoilers" crap, anyone can see the train going over the bridge on that friendship.

The TV series has a softer touch than the comic, which is very bleak at times, and filled with gritty survivalist dilemmas. Rick's character is -2 INT, -3 WIS for the TV show conversion, but that is par for the course with Hollywood heroes who are not named "Dirty Harry". The Cathy and dead-sister scene is chick fodder, really antithetical to the whole post-apocalypse scenario, and it stops the episode in its tracks for too long. Dale's appearance saved it from being dead air. "Goodbye Ed", heh, good one.

(BTW for you guys out there who want to see a group of survivors who do it right the first time, every time, check out the anime "Highschool of the Dead". Heroes with skills, drama that doesn't interfere with the storyline, and some other attractions to occupy the eye between zombie-stomping. NSFW)

The CDC is a made-for-TV story, dunno how it will work out. Hope they don't get stupid and try to "explain" the outbreak. Dead people trying to eat living people defies rational explanation & solution. Which is why the CDC guy is getting drunk off his ass when the others arrive.

23 Yeah, they need to turn World War Z into a series. There'd be no weeping about "not killing the living." Put a bullet in the fucker's dome already!

24 Yeah, it's pretty clear the CDC guy is going to wind up to be the new Mengele. It's Nazi time.........from a remaining outpost of the US How shocking!

25 Why is Sarah Wayne Callies wearingthat blue eye-liner? Once a diva wannabe, always a diva wannabe.

26 Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Brains!!!

27 I actually thought this episode was pretty good. They have deviated from the source material completely so it's kinda anyone's guess what happens next. I'm sure they'll come back to it at some point. If anyone hasn't figured out what's gonna happen to Merle, think about it some more. The CDC guy is going to explain what zombified everyone, its coming. I kinda want to know why he's the only guy there though. Its the frickin CDC! Got an idea of how long things have been going on: 190+ days since the release of something which starting zombifying everyone, over 60 days since everything went global. Also in the comic, everyone, even the living are infected or carriers of whatever zombifies everyone. If you know the Shane story arc in the comic, you know why I say that. At least the show got interesting again. Of course it would since it was a short season... Oh, and I guess they better get busy building that fence around the CDC. *ducks*

28

Are people complaining about story telling for a tv series about zombies? Really? Were you expecting Billiam Shakespeare?

YGTBFKM. Seriously.

I'm not "expecting" anything (waiting for inevitable reference here...) more than decent storytelling. 

Google RedLetterMedia.  Watch videos.  Learn.

29 Besides, it's "William Shakesman"...

30

Edward de Vere.

 

31 It did answer the question:   What would happen when the world ran out of duct tape.

32 This episode consisted of 1) burying the dead from the last episode and 2) arriving at the CDC.

Only 1 zombie killed.  Waaaaay too overdramatic editing/writing for a zombie show.  Feels like I'm watching General Hospital: Apocalypse.

Pissed I stayed up to watch it.

33

I've had it with this show. The CDC scientist is what ruins it for me. Part of the appeal of the comic was there is no answers to what is going on.

and I'm afraid that Merle is going to come back as the Governor.

34

Are people complaining about story telling for a tv series about zombies? Really? Were you expecting Billiam Shakespeare?

YGTBFKM. Seriously.

I'm not "expecting" anything (waiting for inevitable reference here...) more than decent storytelling. 

Google RedLetterMedia.  Watch videos.  Learn

How would you add to the story line? The writers have to walk a fine line between telling a story and killing zombie.

I am reading peoples complaints and they fall into two categories. Not enough zombie killing and complaints about the story line.

Well this clearly isn't a Zombieland adventure where it is just zombie killing. And the story line isn't terrible. There are a lot of characters, the show is clearly focused on developing maybe 6 or 7 of them. You can't go indepth with each one when you only have 6 one hour episodes.

Do you want it to be like the show 24, where all of the boring stuff is just ignored, like going to the bathroom and eating.

Would you prefer they not have taken the time to show how hard it is to dispose of the geeks body

35 I'm wondering if the CDC guy is going to replace the governor in the story line.

And Andrea is a carrier, after sitting for hours in a pool of infected blood, so she'll be the guinea pig.

Interesting microscope view of the zombie cells attacking and killing normal cells. At least, that's what it looked like to me before the doofus got everything destroyed.

I kept waiting for them to come up on the delivery truck and discover that Merle had delivered the zombies to their camp, but I guess that will be for another day. I'm thinking Daryl will have to take out his brother in order to protect the group.

36

"There are a lot of characters, the show is clearly focused on developing maybe 6 or 7 of them"

 

Why? If that's the story, then go with that.  If not, then yes, go "Zombiland".

Here's the rub - who's the protagonist? Why should we care about him/her/them? Who's the antognist? The Zombies? The "Others"? The Cylons? (whoops... what was this story again?)

Seriously - watch RLM's videos, then go back over TWD.

FWIW, #33 nailed it.  General Hospital: Apocalypse  FTW!

37

FYI: It is not "Goodbye Ed" it's "Goodbye Earl".

Thank you - you may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

38 So, this was the episode about the horse and the killing frost, right?

39 I'm thinking Daryl will have to take out his brother in order to protect the group.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836)

You're assuming that Frank Darabount can develope characters..

Daryl will still be the two dimensional character he was. 

40 How would you add to the story line? The writers have to walk a fine line between telling a story and killing zombie.

Part of the problem is that they're taking absolutely f-o-r-e-v-e-r to advance said story.  In last night's episode, it took literally 40 minutes for the story to start.  Two zombies were killed, and one of those was in a manner right out of a soap opera.  The pacing of this series is absolutely deadly.

Large chunks of the last three episodes were totally unnecessary; in the case of "Tell it to the Frogs" the entire episode was totally unnecessary.  "Vatos" spent much of its time acting out an obnoxious PC racial morality play with characters that have no impact on the larger storyline and will never be seen again.  This is not a good thing for a season that only runs six episodes, particularly considering that the producers had no idea when they were making them as to whether the series would be picked up for another season.

Maybe it would help if the show was cut down to a half-hour.  Of course, then we still have the problem of the characters being dumb as a box of rocks.

41

"Part of the problem is that they're taking absolutely f-o-r-e-v-e-r to advance said story"

Not to go too far off track, but what exactly is the story? 

I suspect the writers/producers wouldn't be able to answer that question either...

42 How can the CDC guy be a replacement for the Governor? There was no one else at the CDC - it appeared he was alone. Which is a question I'm pondering: how/why is there only one guy left at the CDC? It's obviously a fortified place, wouldn't there be at least a few others in there with the guy? It's the frickin CDC! (If anyone's gonna turn out as the Governor, it's gonna be Merle.) In The Stand, Stu had to contend with the Vermont Center for Infectious disease. VERMONT! There were a ton of people at that place. granted, by the time he got out, they were all dead or newly dead, but still... Maybe there were more people, some zeds broke in, this guy is the only one left, was able to isolate himself in part of the facility, who knows... Looks like what we're dealing with is someone pitched the show, they put as little effort into it as possible, only doing six episodes, not knowing how big a hit it would be, now they are stuck with a lot of plot issues? I don't know. Frankly, it's better than much of the other drivel on TV. What am I going to spend time watching? A crappy 're-make' of Hawaii Five-O?

43 Catmman said it, not much else is on for us to watch & complain about. No real complaints about Chuck, and Warehouse 13 is on hiatus. Looks like they did a trial run, and got some interest going. Next season maybe they run with the main storyline some more.

I also note for ease of shooting the story now takes place in summer, instead of late autumn/early winter like the comic. Having snow on the ground really lit a fire under the survivors in the comic. Maybe cruisin' in the Georgia sunshine defers plans for the future?

I am sure we have not seen the last of Merle. Those of you who have read to the mid-point of the comic prob'ly can guess where he will appear again. Like eventually gravitates to like, right?  

44 "What am I going to spend time watching? A crappy 're-make' of Hawaii Five-O?"
Posted by: catmman at November 29, 2010 01:24 PM (DTzwU)

At least 5-0 has Grace Park in a bikini.  They understand their strength, and play to it.  TWD? Meh - not so much.

45 Glacial pace is killing the show. And most of these episodes are like the bad Twilight Zone episodes where you know exactly where they're going three minutes in but then have to wait thirty boring minutes for the pay-off. In TWD's case it's sixty mostly boring minutes. This is where having zombie attacks would help. even a simple device for last night['s show like "clanking cans announcing wandering zombies" and the killing thereof would've lended much needed urgency to the show and the actions of the characters. Esp. the sister's farewell/headshot. One of the things LOST did particularly well was having a main story per episode, plus simultaneous arcing storylines plus one or two secondary plots. I find it really had to believe they can't manage this with a frikking end of the world zombie apocalypse. Unfortunately, Darabont/whoever didn't think this one through at all.

46 According to Google maps, it is 6.8 miles from Bellwood Quarry (survivors campsite) to the CDC.

47 Yeah, and how was that lost finale? You spent, what five or six years watching Lost and that's how it ended? Yeah, the episodes were good, for the most part, but what a way to go out. TWD is maybe getting teh suck out of the way early? One can only hope. As far as Grace Park in a bikini, yeah. But it really does nothing for a show as horribly craptastic as 5-O.

48 49 Yeah, and how was that lost finale?

You spent, what five or six years watching Lost and that's how it ended?

Posted by: catmman at November 29, 2010 04:33 PM (DTzwU)

You're going to hang your argument on the yet-to-be-written finale to this boring disaster?  Good luck with that.

Someone earlier said it right:  We know what's going to happen 15 seconds into a scene, but have to watch it dragged out for 15 minutes.  It's fucking painful to watch this show.  Slow as frozen molasses, like gramma would put it.

49 Someone brought up Lost and how it was a good show. I agreed (for the most part) but only stated that after all the investment in the show, they shit on you with the ending. I wasn't the only one to think so. Almost everyone who watched Lost felt the same way. Kinda like The Sopranos; all of that and a WTF? ending? It needs some work, I've said so from the beginning. But your still watching it. So am I. So we're hoping for something to change for the better.

50 "Yeah, and how was that lost finale?

You spent, what five or six years watching Lost and that's how it ended?

Yeah, the episodes were good, for the most part, but what a way to go out. TWD is maybe getting teh suck out of the way early? One can only hope.

As far as Grace Park in a bikini, yeah. But it really does nothing for a show as horribly craptastic as 5-O."

Posted by: catmman at November 29, 2010 04:33 PM (DTzwU)

Yeah - I wasn't a big fan of the Lost finale, but the ride was good while it lasted.  However, I think the BSG had the biggest "WTF was that" finale.  But tangonine and naturalfake (and probably others as well) are correct in that TWD is an excruciating ride so far.

Have to disagree with Grace Park though - her in a bikini is everything to 5-0.  It is barely watchable "craptastic" with her, and utterly unwatchable without.

Regardless, best series on TV is Hellcats.  Exponentially more drama than TWD and girls in cheerleading outfits.  win-win

51 51 Someone brought up Lost and how it was a good show. I agreed (for the most part) but only stated that after all the investment in the show, they shit on you with the ending. I wasn't the only one to think so. Almost everyone who watched Lost felt the same way. Posted by: catmman at November 29, 2010 05:14 PM (DTzwU) That would be me. Here's my view on the LOST finale and LOST overall. It's on my crap-blog. Overall, I liked the end of LOST. See if you don't agree after reading it. I rea-a-a-a-ly wanted this series to be good, but so far TWD has disappointed me. The characters aren't deep enough to spend time with and the plotting and writing has been very thin. But, who knows, maybe they can come up with a kick-ass season one finale.

52 catmman,

Also the weekly posting of college and NFL cheerleaders photos adds nothing to my college and NFL football viewing , but they'd be sorely missed if they weren't there anymore.

53

Would some of you folks like some cheese to go with all of that "whine"?

This show is one of the only reasons I still tune into my TV. Sorry but reality shows with a bunch of silicone Barbies or lard assed fatties is not my idea of entertainment!

First I wouldn't let Daryl out of my sight. He's the only real survivor in the bunch and a deadly shot with that crossbow! I want to know if the Vato he shot in the ass is gonna turn given he reuses those arrows with only a casual wipe off of the Zombie guts.

Everyone can find fault with the pace, story line, twists etc. but this is a show about Zombies and the Zombies are GREAT!!! Picking apart a Zombie series cinematic qualities is a waste of time. What were you expecting? Citizen Kane! Try watching the original "Night of the Living Dead" for some perspective! 

The dumbass sister lets the zed sis grab the back of her head for a little snack. I'm guessing a little finger nail scratch on the scalp is gonna give the CDC guy his freshly infected sample.

I'm looking forward to this show maturing for next year. The cast will be developed and the story line should be more involved and set.

It''s been a long time since I waited for a new episode to come out with the excitement of waiting for a new TWD week. There are only so many Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit specials on TV!! 

 

54 OK, which industry will get blamed for the Zombie plague? Chemicals?  Nuclear energy? I know, global warming re-activated a long dormant alien microbe that was transmitted in a meteorite 10,000 years ago, or some nanotechnology got loose and started replicating with little nanobots controlling the WD.

Replicating nanobots was a plot device during one "X Files" season.

55 SacTownMan,

Too funny, and agree with you re: most TV programming these days.  That's why I was hopeful with this show.  But, I need to start getting a few answers - otherwise, I have to disengage.  I don't know about you, but why haven't we even had a "WTF happened while I was in a coma" question from Rick.  He's a cop FFS.  My experience with cops (excluding the ones from Reno 911) is... they ask a bunch of annoying fuckin questions until they're satisfied with the answers.  Questions like, "do you know how fast you were going" and "why do you have 8 kilos of cocaine in your trunk" or my personal favorite two-part question "why is that blood on your hands, and where did it come from".

I think the filling in of the background would start to help out the series.  But that's just my humble opinion.

56 Agree fully on the whole leaving a guy to become a Z and not caring if he would kill others!
The gang with the heart of gold was ridiculous too. I will stick with the series for now. Though, I fear the writer may well have been poisoned by his association with Hollywood. The latest ep of the comic had a graphic panel of two guy's kissing.
Sigh. Pity, as I have read the entire series and really enjoyed it. Hope they don't try to explain the Z thing. As that would f up the comics too!

57 So Shane said to go with Rick's gut instinct. The same Rick who rode into Atlanta on a horse in clear view of a traffic jam going out of Atlanta. And it was a pure stroke of luck that they arrived at the cdc the day before thr guy said he was going to blow his head off.

58

Agnes B. Bullock said: What was up with the American flag in Dale's camper?

Flag flying upside down = distress signal...

59

I have a hard time seeing why Rick's wife (I don't even know her name) is so worth fighting for.  They haven't really developed her, but the little they have, she is a pretty whiny, selfish bitch.  She waited what, 2 weeks after "hearing" that her husband was dead to take up with his besst friend? 

Andrea is hotter and seems like a better person, so why doesn't shane just tap that?  Also, why do they all simply listen to Jim or Shane?  They haven't given any reason for that and neither of their decisions indicates a reason for blind following.

The jogging back to camp last week (and arriving fresh) was pretty bad.  We were led to believe it was miles away - like perhaps 10 or more - so the idea of them jogging and arriving just in time and in fine shape is stupid.

The idea of allowing Andrea to cuddle her sister while she turns into a zombie is dumb.  It takes you right out of the show.  It's like, do you really believe that people struggling just to survive in such horrific circumstances would be so dumb?  I have a hard time believing that.

I love how one second they have the RV steaming with no radiator hose and the next it's driving along just fine.  And why take 20 cars for 10 people?

Overall the show is decent, but the writers seem to have no common sense.  Like they would really allow Jim to hang out while he's turning into a zombie.  And the old idea of someone hiding a bite and hoping he wouldn't turn is done in every single zombie flick.  Please.

And the idea of gang-bangers tending to old and senile people is dumb.  And the idea that various survivors wouldn't band together but would go their separate ways (looking for family in other states) is just idiotic.  Really, you are going to forgo some sense of security from numbers to take your wife and kids on a multi state trip to find family members that are most likely dead?  Really?

And when is Merle going to turn back up to fight them? 

I try not to think about the show b/c the more I do the dumber it gets.

60

And why didn't these people trade their crappy old cars for humvees or other new model suvs?  They could take any car along the road and they stick with what appears to be the worst old cars they could find.  That makes no sense.

And they talk about not having guns, but they keep walking by dead soldiers manning 50 cals and other things.  Based on the few survivors there appear to be, there should be guns lying around all over the place.  Or what, did the zombies horde the guns?

61

Well, I'm all confused now after reading a couple of spoilers in the comments.  I thought leaving Jim alive was sure to be the solution to the CDC's guys problem, but if the sister is infected I guess even that little bit of plot logic is gone.

I agree with all the comments about the slow pace and stupid characters, but they can't even keep continuity from one episode to the next.  Jim gets handcuffed because he might be a danger to himself or others and the very next day they have no problem leaving him to die alone on the side of the road.  To turn into a zombie.  Wow, good thing they prevented him from getting heat stroke yesterday.  And what the hell is the rule for zombie creation, anyway, with this story?  The sister takes hours to "wake up".  In the first episode Rick kills a zombie who has half a body left and is still moving, yet most of the corpses at the CDC are dead dead.  Or are they sleeping?  Zombies take naps, apparently?

And, yes, we are allowed to complain about unrealistic aspects of stories like this.  We Buffy fans could swallow the existence of vampires, witches, werewolves, and all other assorted demons, but still think season 4 went off the rails with The Initiative and boy soldiers running around Sunnydale.  It's when the real life parts of stories like this are unbelievable that the unbelievable parts lose their power to draw you in.

 

62

This is a dead thread, but if there are any survivors, could you tell me if there is a site where I could watch this episode on the internet?

Thanks. 

And to prove I'm not spam, I'll tell you morons...when I slice, I slice like a freakin' hammer.

That's just the way it is.

63

I guess I am doing it wrong.  I am just watching the show for entertainment and not trying to out think the science of it all.  It is freaking ZOMBIES, folks. 
The entire concept is make believe bullshit.  I would offer that if you are finding holes in the plot of this show you might be trying too hard here.

 

I like it myself. 

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