1 Zombies suck.

2 We ate dirt and we were thankful to have it.

3 Can we get a Dexter thread?  Any other morons out there watching?

4

PC Idiocy from tonight's edition of The Walking Dead:

1) CDC female chick was the genius ["an Einstein"]; her husband was the moron.

2) French valliantly held out to the bitter end; CDC Yanks all committed suicide instead.

3) Redneck dude continues to be the embarassment of the series; by contrast, black chick "gets it" and chooses nobility of suicide rather than persisting in hopelessness.

4) "All our thoughts" are in the electrical firing of our synapses - as though any "scientist" on God's green earth has the faintest idea of what a "thought" might amount to [in either the material world or the immaterial world].

Doubtless some other things that I can't think of right now.

PS: CDC dude whispering to sheriff dude was probably something along the lines of, "Last night, I was watching the security camera feeds, and your buddy tried to get some nooky from your wife, but she rebuffed his advances, which is how he got those scratch marks all over his neck."

 

5
Any thoughts on what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick on his way out?

6 Heck, I marathoned "Weeds" this weekend, and despite all the Commie BS on it at least it was funny. So, Rick was in a coma for months. Effing stupid show. Which zombie is Mulder's sister?

7 Actually, thats a good guess Lindsey Grahamnesty

8 This series has jumped so far over the shark that it's in fuckin' orbit.

Nothing about these people or their situation rings true.  Not a single person besides this one oil-hating nutso chose to remain at the CDC, a fortified compound stocked with plenty of provisions?  Everyone, Rick included, decided to just forget all about Jim and get drunk instead?  After the entire group is assembled and told "the generators are going to go down in less than an hour" they just shuffle back to their rooms and then express shock when the lights start flickering?  Oil-hating Nutso Scientist is trying to murder Rick's wife and child, and Rick goes after Shane for pulling a gun and telling him to open the doors?!  The fucking French are the last holdouts, braver than any unwashed American?

What a disaster of a show.

9 I'm terrified to see what they did to Dexter (plot-wise) after the last season.

I smelled a convenience reset.

10

this one oil-hating nutso

5) Suicidal scientist dude inserts obligatory rant about Big Oil.

 

11 It does sound like they screwed the undead pooch, so to speak.

12 The biggest problem with an oddball genre show is that, if it isn't good or successful, it "poisons the well" for the genre.

If this disappears, it would be a LOT more difficult to do a good one in the next several years (or to get one produced, more accurately).

13 Oh, and don't forget that this guy in the Atlanta CDC surrounded by "Star Trek" computers that talk back to him has no means whatsoever of communicating with any other government or military facility.

14 Merovign, Have you been watching?

15 Rick's hospital room...

Five months and the only flowers are the ones his partner left? Ya'al caught that in the first episode, right?

16

Re big oil rant - the French have fucking nuclear power, proving their communists are a lot smarter than our communists.

The whisper - my guess is that the CDC people didn't commit suicide, they were in communication with a possible outpost of civilzation, and went to try to get there. Crazy CDC guy whispered the location.

Once again I was annoyed that they left military weapons on the ground, instead of arming themselves to the teeth.

17 The biggest problem with an oddball genre show is that, if it isn't good or successful, it "poisons the well" for the genre.

BINGO.

Oh, and don't forget that this guy in the Atlanta CDC surrounded by "Star Trek" computers that talk back to him has no means whatsoever of communicating with any other government or military facility.

Yeah, like the sun suddenly stopped making UV rays and the photovoltaic cells on the satellites couldn't make power and all the satellites shut down.

I can see that terrestrial communications would shut down within a few weeks - but satellite?

That shiznat oughtta last for a good decade or more.

 

18

Once again I was annoyed that they left military weapons on the ground, instead of arming themselves to the teeth.

Posted by: Rebar

They could not find the keys to the hummers.

/s

19 All those tanks, and all those guns just laying around.....

Anyone of them should've just taken one of those tanks/apcs just lying around.....

20 If this disappears, it would be a LOT more difficult to do a good one in the next several years (or to get one produced, more accurately).

And that would be a shame, because a well-done weekly zombie TV series could be an awesome thing (and I had every hope at the outset that this would be it).  A week or two ago somebody suggested a zombie anthology series, one with no continuing characters.  That would take care of the running who's-fucking-my-wife soap opera, for one thing.

21 Didn't even bother to watch this week. The AoSHQ TWD threads are more entertaining than the show itself (which isn't really saying much, but you know what I mean).

22 14 Merovign, Have you been watching?

Posted by: KP at December 06, 2010 12:32 AM (r2Fta)

Aggressively not. I tend to wait until the season's over to watch a show because I am too damned impatient, it also lets me heard how good/bad it is.

Now, you can never really tell for sure how good a show is based on other people's opinions, but it sounds like everyone in this show is a God-Damned Idiot, and I really hate that in a show.

Not only do you waste all your viewing time telling the idiots on the screen what to do, worst of all, they don't do it!

If you were referring to Dexter - as I said, I'm afraid they've ruined it with the "family reset," IMHO each season has been downhill from #1, with the last season showcasing the increasing incompetence of someone whose core characteristic is that he's methodical. It makey no sensey.

23 Could the big whisper be that Lisa is knocked-up by Shane?

24

We got rid of our Showtime subscription a while back.

So is Dexter a father now?

I seem to recall that he was dating Darla from the Buffy-verse, but she was being kinda bitchy to him.

Also, I seem to remember the black dude getting blown up in a shack in the everglades - that was a definitely un-PC [so much so that it felt a little weird to watch it].

 

25

43 I'm going to write a screenplay in which there is some apocalyptic scenario -- zombies will do just fine -- and all the conservatives have the guns and the rations and the safe places out in the country, and all the liberal urbanites come out into the country looking for sanctuary from the zombie hordes. Then I'll have to decide whether to have my conservatives be altruistic or say to themselves "You mean we could just stand by and let the zombies eat all the liberals? Awesome!" Decisions, decisions.
Joncelli in the ONT

Better yet, have the libs show up and the compound, zombies hot on their feet and have the conservatives scream over the wall of the compound- "Why don't you negotiate with 'em? Start a dialog maybe."

 

26

this one oil-hating nutso

5) Suicidal scientist dude inserts obligatory rant about Big Oil.

Scientist hates big oil?  Actually I find that one of the few realistic things in the show.

27

Five months and the only flowers are the ones his partner left? Ya'al caught that in the first episode, right?

That's driving my youngest crazy.

28

I killed the thread.  Guess I'll go to bed.  Night.

29

Yeah, Dexter's a dad.  I hate to elaborate so not to give any spoilers! 

Season one was great, but I loved 2 and 4 as well.  Three is definitely my least fave.  I wish Dexter would keep his careful methodical sense about him as well, but to a degree, unexpected problems/events is what moves it all along.  Season 5 definitely started out slow mainly due to a ton of housekeeping from season 4.  But once it got going, it has been really good, IMO.  I like how each season explores a different type of relationship out on a serial killer with no feelings.  I worry they are having to evolve him to a point where he would no longer be considered a sociopath, which is kind of the entire premise of the show.  But I must say, I do love me some Dexter!! 

30

At this point, how many biological children does Dexter have with "Darla" [of the Buffy-Verse]?

Thanks.

 

31 I killed the thread.

Dead threads have been known to re-animate from anywhere between three minutes and eight hours.

32 24We got rid of our Showtime subscription a while back.

So is Dexter a father now?

Posted by: Lindsey Grahamnesty licking Rahm Emanuel's salty shaven balls at December 06, 2010 12:45 AM (pfMMA)

Dude, has you heard of a thing called an internet?

You missed two seasons, that's a lot. He married her, they had a son together, not gonna give anything else away. There were good episodes in there but IMHO you saw the best parts.

I *hated* that they killed Doakes, esp. seconds from escape. He was my favorite non-Dexter, he would have been a great recurring opponent had he fled the country after being framed for being the killer.

Posted by: KP at December 06, 2010 12:57 AM (r2Fta)

The "original" Dexter wasn't really a sociopath and did "get better," though again I don't want to give away too much, and also they've departed from the original in the show so "who knows?"

Hint: the dark passenger.

33 TWD is written by Liberals so of course it doesn't make sense. Don't be surprised if Andy Dufrense shows up with some tax forms and a case of cold beer.

34 Another thing... Wasn't Mr Scientist watching cells get 'infected' in the previous episode? He seemed very clueless as to what the basic infection agent was in the finale. (Viral/mold/etc)

35 Liked the Dylan tune at the end.

36 35 Liked the Dylan tune at the end.

Yeah, that was good.  They've used some good music on the show.

37 WTF happened to Merle the redneck?

38 Excellent final episode. Only beef I had was the improbable and illogical move that the woman would decide to cash in her chips at the end and leave the people she has bonded with and commit suicide.

39

I'm sorry but his rant wasn't a rant and it wasn't about big oil.  It was about how the power grid relies on fossil fuels and without people those things aren't going to stay running and that's going to shut down the power grid.  It wasn't some "we're killing the world" rant.

Like I said in the ONT thread I think many have taken to viewing this show with the idea that it is biased and so every single little thing is taken in the way to confirm that bias.

40 37But I must say, I do love me some Dexter!!
Maybe the horny Japanese perv (sorry for the redundancy) can become a cob-logger at Ace's?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 06, 2010 01:19 AM (ocvEI)

Heheheheheheheheheheheh.....

41 Well look at the name of the mad scientist, Edward Jenner, that's the inventor of the small pox vaccine, 'abandon hope ye who enter here' We end up in the same place as the 3rd of the Dead original films, 'Abandon all hope ye who enter here.So what happens when they run out gas or electricity. They're dead.

SPAK with the gutting the fish and the hunting was more edifying,

42 There was so little hope, I repeated it twice, Oh and back to reality, Obama wants to turn all of ANWR, into a national monument, no oil  from there, ever, 'Abandon
all hope'

43 38 WTF happened to Merle the redneck?

Yeah, you're wondering that too, eh?  And even worse, why ISN'T anyone else on this show wondering what happened to Merle, including his own brother?  Especially since they've deduced that he was responsible for carting that truckload of zombies back to camp?

Just one more example of the piss-poor writing on this show, right up there with Rick and crew heading back to camp on foot and the RV's shot-to-hell radiator hose that magically repaired itself after they dropped Jim off by the side of the road.

44 Oh, and this week's "we've got a sick man!" (Jim) and then everybody rushes to get drunk, with no further mention of him.

45 Apparently these people never played a video game. They should be scrounging through every military vehicle for weapons and ammo. A mini gun would come in handy for those streets packed with zombies. You don't need to worry about head shots if they are liquefied.

46 You know, watching this, I kept thinking about the recent development of self-contained nuclear mini-reactors by various companies--articles here, here, here, here, here, and here. In the case of the Toshiba 4S reactor, it has no control rods, needs virtually no outside adjustments and could generate power for 30+ years continuously. Since this was obviously meant to be a long term research facility that would carry on if things went to hell, equipped with bleeding-edge tech, why the hell are they operating on fossil-fuel generators? Shouldn't it also be connected with the extensive network of "undisclosed locations" that the government has, via fiber, satellite and microwave/RF? Well, considering all the other brain-farts this show has had, I suppose those details are minor.

I guess my biggest issue with this show has been what I've always had a problem with on the spate of high-flight genre shows over the last decade, which is good drama ruined by liberal delusions, fantasies and anxieties. BSG was a textbook example of a show that went downhill. Besides a few occasional bleed-throughs, it had fairly solid plot logic for the first two seasons, with a mixture of tragedy and triumph. Season three had some WTF! badass moments, but about halfway through lost its mind and became about a subtle as a five-iron to the temple. This culminated with the writers literally putting lies into the mouth Lee Adama in defense of Gaius Baltar, betraying their own continuity so they could deceive the audience and give a grand Leftist sermon. That lead to an endless parade of repeated plotlines, angst, character stupidity, and a lack of human realism, where everybody brooded, yelled, whined, cried, drank, fought, and generally behaved like assholes, but never told a joke or whistled a tune. Oh, and the admiral in BSG: Razor was supposed to be some type of charismatic and hard-fighting commander who earned the undying loyalty of her troops, but all I saw was a emotionally unstable train-wreck making tactical mistakes a five year-old could've avoided (getting men killed and her ship increasingly damaged) and then covering it over with violence.

47 i cant watch.  too many kid, too many on teh TV.







Somehow Somewhere.  Go fuck you!

48

@45

Yea. They better get better writers next season. I hope Merle turns out to be some pyscho the group fights later (ala Dead Rising)

49 And even worse, why ISN'T anyone else on this show wondering what happened to Merle, including his own brother?  Especially since they've deduced that he was responsible for carting that truckload of zombies back to camp?

Oh shit, and I just realized:  Especially especially since Rick knows that Morgan and Morgan Jr. are likely to be headed that way?  Was there a part of Rick's CB message to Morgan that the show cut away from before we could hear it, something along the lines of "Oh, and by the way, watch out for the insane one-handed killer redneck who hates black people and whom we believe may still be lurking around the area"?

The thoughtless writing of the show, it burns....

50 Too much crying and whimpering.  Not enough zombies.

51 I hope Merle turns out to be some pyscho the group fights later (ala Dead Rising)

That could very well be what they're setting up (some fans of the comic have speculated that Merle could turn up later as the Governor), but still, it's ludicrous that not one among this group has asked, "hey, what DID happen to that guy who killed half our people?"

52

I'm still waiting for http://whoe2010.blogspot.com to post the sixth episode.

Anyone know of a site that already has it posted? 

Yeah, I'm worthless and weak.  I don't have AMC or cable.

 

53 heh.......

It's almost like you guy's are not serious.....

Love my new haircut btw.
Total new style. 

Maybe I will see you later....

bi!

54 53 I hope Merle turns out to be some pyscho the group fights later (ala Dead Rising)

That could very well be what they're setting up (some fans of the comic have speculated that Merle could turn up later as the Governor), but still, it's ludicrous that not one among this group has asked, "hey, what DID happen to that guy who killed half our people?"

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 06, 2010 02:12 AM (zgt4q)

Was there really anything to indicate he led them to their camp?  You know since they saw a zombie there before he got caught.  Its also been all of what 2 days since they got back to camp and left?

55

@53

The governor? the governor of what? Georgia?

56 Was there really anything to indicate he led them to their camp?

Near the end of "Vatos", when Rick and crew get back to where they'd left the van only to find it missing, one of them (think it was Rick) says something like "Merle must have loaded it up with geeks and taken them back to camp!"  That's why they're in such a frenzy to get back there at the end of the ep -- which they do on foot rather than get another vehicle, which is another thing.

57 Thank G-d you guys stopped that vote. 

My kids thank you, as they crawl their way to the nearest party store. 

Thanks sirs!!

58 Fukin Arugla

59 How does a one handed redneck load a panel truck with zombies with no help?

60

The governor? the governor of what? Georgia?

They may do this next season, so possible spoiler: in the comic, the Governor is a megalomaniacal psycho who fortifies a small town, keeps people he deems necessary (doctors, etc.) prisoner there, traps Rick and Glenn when they find the place, and cuts off Rick's hand, which for Merle would be poetic justice.

61 61 How does a one handed redneck load a panel truck with zombies with no help?

Good question, but they still thought that was what happened.

62 Gov sounds kinda like Dennis Hopper in Land of the Dead.

63 By the end of the second episode the show became 99% filler ending with a cliffhanger to get you to watch next week. It jumped the shark when the guy with a hacksaw cut off his hand instead of the handcuffs.

64 @67: at least they could have added a giggle or two by having him cut off his foot before realizing it was that hand trapping him. And hey: when is zombie sex going to rear it's ugly head?

65

There's more to complain about, but I think this episode in particular suffered from being extremely contrived in the classic characters-say-and-do-dumb-stuff-to-move-the-story-along way. Instead of leveling with everyone at the beginning and explaining the situation, the CDC scientist apparently felt like giving everyone a merciful death, without taking the initiative to tell anyone about his little plan. He doesn't seem to actually lie about what he's doing, but as time passes and his guest gradually ask more questions he either answers truthfully when it's needed to move the story a long, or clams up and walks off when more information would cause the characters to learn too much before the OMFG-countdown-to-doom.

On the other half of the equation, the other characters, do their part by not asking too many questions too soon. Conveniently, after one of them expressed surprise the scientist had a rifle during a zombie apocalypse, the intellectual curiosity of all the other characters is tapped out and soon they seemed more interested in debating whether Rick's son should have a bit of wine than asking a lot of questions about the CDC, zombies and what was going on in the world. In fact, it seemed like a number of times when they (I think Dale, specifically) eventually got around to asking the scientist a question or two at dinner, and later breakfast, they acted acted apologetic, like they were asking something rude or inappropriate.

I can understand showers, food and alcohol were big temptations, and I can see how some people might want to talk about something more positive but, come on, it's not like there's much else going on in the world to make small talk about and this information is important. It just seems to me that at least one of the people would have pestered the scientist with questions soon after arrival, wanting to know what's going on, perhaps one of the old people nobody wanted to see in the shower montage. The problem is if someone did ask questions early on, and the scientist remained honest, or refused to answer questions, the fact that something was wrong would have been apparent early on, so everyone rations their questions so we can build up to a race-against-the-clock ending.

66

You can tell TWD has bottomed out just by the number of dwindling comments here each successive week.

Peyton Place with zombies, and very little of them.  Feh!

67 Undead states, Nobody on the show thought Merle took the zombies to camp, that was only on the AoS comment thread. Closest it got was Daryl saying Merle was going to seek his revenge.

68 The advantage to oil is that it is portable and has a high energy content and is inexpensive relative to other sources of energy (except nuclear).

69

Regarding timeline of when infection started.

In the first episode as Rick is driving to incident where he is shot.

The camera pans to dead animal on the road.

Maybe that was meant to show the infection had begun.

70 I like the fact that the scientist didn't know what caused zombification. But if that was the case how could he develop a screening test. What is he screening for, antibodies? Finally, the secret message was probably some like "we're all infected".

71

Nah, the "secret message" was:

"I know how to get cheap knockoff UGG boots & more at great prices..."

 

72

You can tell TWD has bottomed out just by the number of dwindling comments here each successive week.

No kidding - it's the next morning, and we aren't even at 80 comments yet [many of which are computer-generated spam anyway]?

Sheesh - if the series had any mojo, we'd be looking at upwards of 800 comments by now.

 

73 I'm no military weapons expert, but I would think a fuel-air bomb going off two to three blocks away would cause a concussion wave big enough to blow out all the glass on your vehicle, or at least move it around a little.

74 @5 Any thoughts on what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick on his way out? Posted by: MoveZig at December 06, 2010 12:25 AM (oeKG6) Yeah. It's the same thing that Bill Murray whispered to Scarlett Johansson at the end of "Lost In Translation".

75 He whispered that theywere all infected that is why there was no hope. Setting up for the fact the dead will rise without being bitten. Kinda gay how they left all those weapons out theere, id think id try to drive the fucking tank.

76 id think id try to drive the fucking tank.

The M1 Abrams gets really shitty gas mileage.  They wouldn't get far.

77 Merle is still a wildcard, no body has presumed anything of him except that he is pissed and/or dead.

Personally, I thought they were too trusting of the scientist dude, although I understand their relief. Shane tried to grill him a bit, but the others shut him down. Usually, when someone offers you hospitality in a situation like that, they have some nefarious plan for you. I was waiting for him to deliberately infect one of them so he could run more tests.

I was disappointed that Andrea decided not to stay, she's an annoying little bitch. And the whole "you don't get to make someone care and then check out" speech was annoying as well. The other chick was like "hello, I'm sitting right here, but you don't give a shit about me?"

As far as what was whispered to Rick at the end, he seemed a little stunned but not unduly pissed or upset. Guess we'll see.

78

#79,

Amen.  Time to put a fork in TWD.  I do kinda (ok, not really) wonder where the vocal (but dwindling after the EP 3 & 4 suckfests) TWD defenders went...

79 http://www.wisevid.com/play?v=9tbzAfAJb954

has it.. no commercials even..

80 81 @5
Any thoughts on what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick on his way out?

Posted by: MoveZig at December 06, 2010 12:25 AM (oeKG6)

Yeah.

It's the same thing that Bill Murray whispered to Scarlett Johansson at the end of "Lost In Translation".
-----------------------------------------------
"Nice tits"???

81

#87

I LOL'd...

82 TWD may be firing all of their writers, btw: http://www.geekosystem.com/walking-dead-fires-writing-staff/

83 Just read that most of the staff writers were canned or left..

Maybe that can only improve the quality for next season..

Maybe.

Vatos was the low point of the series (The lowest of the low)

It didn't move the story forward at all..  Only stop it for a damnable morality play

84

1. Aquire a semi with the right fuel in it's tanker trailer and park where you can refuel the generators.

2. Pick up military grade weapons and fort up then start retaking the city one shot at a time. Spray a corrosive acid on the Zombies.

3. The CDC Geek whispered, "Zombie virus is a Sexually transmitted disease!"

 

 

85 I'm going to be hard pressed into watching it a second season.

Right when the show would pick up steam, it would stop..

Again, Vatos being the prime example..   instead of the show down that was being built up, the gang-bangers were frakking nurses in an old folks home. 

The other low point, showing where Merle cut off his own hand. to get free.. Instead of the noticeably less painful option of cutting the cuff chain or the threaded rod the handcuffs were attached to.

86 Well in the zombie apacolypse there is two choices. Either get to "safety", ie large human population center still not infected, or option two, get into a remote area where the dead can be either kept away or there are none present. Id think id go with option two, preferably by boat somewhere. Hole up on some island and kill every zombie on it if there was any. Have a boat handy to flee or sleep on at night.

87 The biggest problem with an oddball genre show is that, if it isn't good or successful, it "poisons the well" for the genre.

With all the wells poisoned the search is on for the least poisoned genre to fall back on.  Perhaps it's time for Shatner to try sci-fi again.

88 1. Go to nearest Hummer dealer, leave the junkers behind
2. Go to nearest Walmart and get food, clothes, guns and ammo
3. Start looking for women to propagate the species
4. Find old issues of AoS to read for the articles

89 The horny Japanese perv, aka Matsuka, did an outstanding job in Episode 6. Emmy quality acting!

90 Back to Ep 1, seems all Rick needed for a full and instant recovery after waking up from a GSW and coma was sleep and beenie-weenies from Morgan and son.  He was staggering out of the hospital towards home then a few days later striding purposely to put down the half-eaten zombie girl in the park.  No hitch in his giddyup.

91 Oh, and his name is Masuka and he's really Korean.

92 Can't argue with much of the above comments.... much of the series hasn't made sense and has plodded along at a snail's pace.  At least we got some insight as to why the road out of Atlanta looked like the Road of Death - it appears that it actually may have been with the military executing citizens left and right...

At this point, I almost hope the entire 2nd season will be nothing but flashbacks, and when we return to "real time" the survivors will have built a fence (or something)...

93 Season 1 is just a dream of Rick.  He's still in the hospital.  That's what the CDC doc whispered "wake up, wake up".

94

3. Start looking for women to propagate the species
4. Find old issues of AoS to read for the articles

This.  Costly move, propogation-of-the-species-wise, to let Jacqui give up and experience being blown to smithereens in the CDC.

No way any of the aboveground group would have survived the shock wave from the blast.  They were not that far away.

95

So when they pounded on the door of the CDC, didn't they yell that they were "out of gas and out of food"?

So, after that small (semi) nuclear explosion, aren't they still out of gas?

Where are they going?

96 At least we got some insight as to why the road out of Atlanta looked like the Road of Death - it appears that it actually may have been with the military executing citizens left and right...


I watched the beginning a couple of times...  those were live people that the military were shooting?  And not zombies?

(before real zombies broke in and attacked them..  causing the one trooper to shoot everyone else) 

Shane was in a confined hallway when multiple bursts of M-16 fire went off... so of course he's not going to hear a heartbeat.. 

97 I gotta' wonder what happened to Rick's friend and his son from episode one.

98

More problems,

Why wasn't the whole city of walkers aroung the vehicles when the bomb went off???

What happened to the helicopter in episode 2?

A scientist couldn't figure out where some diesel fuel was being store?

If he didn't know what casued the virus, then why the blood tests???

Why don't walkers eat their own?????

If the people have fuel for their vehicles, why don't they drive the tanks.

 

It's like the hired the Lost writers and don't care about open threads.

 

 

 

 

99

So when they pounded on the door of the CDC, didn't they yell that they were "out of gas and out of food"?

So, after that small (semi) nuclear explosion, aren't they still out of gas?

Where are they going?

Trying not to nitpick too much but I'm guessing that they grabbed some snacks from the CDC cafeteria on their way out the door..  At least a day's worth..

I'm giving the show a pass for the Fuel Air bomb underground at the end..
Considering everything else about it..   It's the least smallest plot hole they have..

100 Amen.  Time to put a fork in TWD.  I do kinda (ok, not really) wonder where the vocal (but dwindling after the EP 3 & 4 suckfests) TWD defenders went...

What's the point in expressing an interest in a show when everyone around is telling you how badly it sucks?

It still has my interest. It seems that a lot of you are forgetting two things: 1) the story is based on a freakin' comic book; and, 2) the characters are imperfect, as are most real life people.

I will concede that Vatos sucked ass and was totally pointless. And stupid.

101

It's the least smallest plot hole they have..

OTOH, they certainly didn't gas up from the "Generator" that runs the CDC.

I mean really....

Lord, I don't know why I even get into this. After BSG, Lost, and who knows what else, I should have given up.

Logic is not these writers best quality.

102 @103

That's what I saw in that hospital scene.  Those appears to be live people (doctors and nurses) the military was executing.  Maybe the military's last ditch effort to quarantine the virus/mold/bacteria/whatever was to eliminate those that may be infected due to close contact...

I assume once that failed, the military next effort was to begin containment within Atlanta by executing anyone trying to leave the city.

Other than the fact that the CDC is located in Atlanta, not sure why the nuclear option  wasn't executed...  maybe disease spread occurred to quickly, or the thought of nuking your own city/citizens too much...  although once you begin executing mass quantities of people with conventional weapons - the next step to nuclear isn't a very big step...

103 Nobody on the show thought Merle took the zombies to camp, that was only on the AoS comment thread. Closest it got was Daryl saying Merle was going to seek his revenge.

Nope, it was stated by one of the characters in "Vatos" that Merle must have loaded up the truck with zombies and brought them back to camp.

104 @103

Although, if the military is killing doctors/nurses/patients, etc., not sure how Rick survives given the one military dude has Rick in his sights as Shane hides behind Rick's bed.  Another small plot hole, I guess...

105 hmmm..maybe a dumb idea, but..in the first episode when Rick and Shane were in the shootout..I wonder if the 'badguys' had an idea of what was up and were fleeing the city? At first, I thought they were bank robbers on the run..

106 Here it is, at 5:00.

107 hmmm..maybe a dumb idea, but..in the first episode when Rick and Shane were in the shootout..I wonder if the 'badguys' had an idea of what was up and were fleeing the city? At first, I thought they were bank robbers on the run..

Not a bad idea after all..

Better than most of the ideas we've seen in the show so far..

Miles above and beyond the gang bangers/nurses and caregivers for the elderly.

108

Shit, i missed this turning into a Dexter thread.

I love Dexter, I acutally was a fan of the book before the series, but I will admit the Season 1 and 2 were better than the books, which were different in many ways. By book three i stopped reading because it got increasingly stupid and supernatural.

 

Season 3 was an abortion and a total waste. I hate Jimmy Smitts.

Dexter's essentially played out like this

Season 1 : getting to know dexter, Dexter's introspection about his past.

Season 2: Dexter doing everything he can to not get caught

Season 3: Dexter desperately wants a friend, someone he can share his secret with, instead he ends up killing Prado and marrying Rita

Season 4: Dexter's trials as a married man, infatuation with the Trinity Killer and ends with his life being turned upside down

Season 5: Dexter finally finds someone he can not only share his secret with, but someone who will participate with him. We'll find out what happens in the finale Sunday.

I don't know if Dexter is resigned for anymore seasons. So we'll see what happens. I imagine everything will turn out fine as Showtime is HBO's bitch and Showtime only has 2 "hit shows" in Weeds and Dexter. And Weeds jumped the shark after season three, but they've managed to put together a total of six seasons and it doesn't look like they will be stopping anytime soon.  I imagine they keep Dexter until the ratings decline.

109 So, after that small (semi) nuclear explosion, aren't they still out of gas?

Well, the Winnebago's radiator hose magically repaired itself at the side of the road last week within a few minutes; what's a little gas? 

110

Also, I'm still going to watch the show. I agree the vatos episode was a total stupid waste of time and too much time is spent on petty squables, but I still enjoy the show as a form of entertainment. It isn't a masterpiece or anything. Also, it suffers from the same common sense  mistakes that every horror or post apocolyptic film does.

As was brought up here, there are ton's of 50 caliber machine guns, m-16s, tanks, and APC's just chilling around. Why not grab one of them? or all of them?

Also what the hell happened to Merlye? How can you just kinda ignore that?

Also I don't get why people hate shane. He's done everything he could to help Dale and his family and yet Dale dooks all over him at every opportunity. I know he was sleeping with Dale's wife, but as they say it takes two to tango, and he legitimately thought Dale was dead. Why wouldn't he? He saw the military executing living people, he natually assumed the walkers or military got dale.

111 Well, the Winnebago's radiator hose magically repaired itself at the side of the road last week within a few minutes; what's a little gas? 


I think they covered that as best the could..  When leaving Dan by the side of the road to die, they mentioned something about a gas station up ahead and part of the group left to check it out.  The old man said to see if they had anything to fix his RV with.. 

It was told, not shown like any good visual median does (sarc off).
Lots of stuff between scenes and episodes that could be used to fill plot holes.. 
But I'm not a member of the screen writer's guild..

112

BTW, they fired all the writers on the show. So I am guessing the second season will be better.

Also, I'm guessing that the CDC doctor told Dale where other "safe places" were in the US and to try to get there and see if anyone survived.

113 116 So, after that small (semi) nuclear explosion, aren't they still out of gas?

Well, the Winnebago's radiator hose magically repaired itself at the side of the road last week within a few minutes; what's a little gas? 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 06, 2010 12:28 PM (CwkQz)

 

Well obviously the survivors found a few spare flux capacitors lying around the CDC and installed them while waiting for Dale and Andrea.

114 It just seems to me that at least one of the people would have pestered the scientist with questions soon after arrival, wanting to know what's going on, perhaps one of the old people nobody wanted to see in the shower montage.

I was cheering when Shane, a tone of suspicion in his voice, finally did ask the question I've been screaming since last week:  Why the hell are you the only guy left and what happened to all the other scientists?  Nutso Oil-Hating Scientist gives a very vague, evasive answer, and Glenn whines to Shane, "Man, you are such a buzzkill!"  Back to the drinking.  On this show, asking questions that any normal person would in a suspicious situation makes you the bad guy.

115 They announced a sixth season for Dexter after which there will be contract negotiations. I suspect MCH will sign up for more seasons.

116

I vote for the mad CDC scientist whispering to Dale that his wife is pregnant.  Cuckhold zombie baby drama in season 2.

117 To some degree, I can see why they didn't start off with questions right away..

On the run from hordes of flesh eating zombies and to have a chance to feel safe behind fortified walls, with food, booze and warm water? 

Aside from the threat of Drunken Shane. 

But that next morning, I would want them to start asking some serious questions... 

118 What's the point in expressing an interest in a show when everyone around is telling you how badly it sucks?

Bingo.  Whole lotta armchair quarterbacks around here...

119 It seems that a lot of you are forgetting two things: 1) the story is based on a freakin' comic book; and, 2) the characters are imperfect, as are most real life people.

The comic book was much more believably and interestingly written than this show.  This would never have been brought to television had it not been for the quality and popularity of the source material.  Indeed, it's interesting that every time the show completely departs from the comic, as with the "vatos" and the CDC storyline, and the character of Merle versus the Rainbow Coalition of survivors, it goes way off the rails.  When it sticks close to the source material, as all of Episode 1 did, it's been very good.  That's not because I'm upset the writers are deviating from the original story; I'd be fine with that if they were demonstrating any ability to make the new elements match the quality of what was originally laid out.

And it isn't that the characters are imperfect; they're written not as characters at all, but broadly-drawn archetypes, indeed in the case of some, stereotypes.  They're written to behave in whatever manner necessary to move the (glacial) plot along, not in ways that are natural or believable.

120 Whisper: "your wife is 3 months pregnant" (he was in a coma for 5 mos right?)

Dr Jenner's wife (T19): How did she become infected sitting in the CDC bunker?

121

 Whole lotta armchair quarterbacks around here...

True, but when logic goes out the window, you have to wonder about the writers.

Look at the finale of the X-Files. It was a 2 part episode, with various characters on trial. And as they tried to sum up the series, it made less and less sense.

We are just saying Look! If you want to present something along this line (zombies, whatever), make it reasonable. How would you or I react in this situation?

In the show they don't react as we would. That's the problem.

122 Last weeks ratings beat the premier's. So, it will be interesting to see how it does in the season finale. The producer said that the writers weren't fired but left because they were hired with the stipulation that if their own projects/shows got picked up, they could go.

123

They announced a sixth season for Dexter after which there will be contract negotiations. I suspect MCH will sign up for more seasons.

yeah, it's showtime's golden goose. They can't let it go away, they have nothing to replace it with.

any ideas on how the finale will shake out?

124 The producer said that the writers weren't fired but left because they were hired with the stipulation that if their own projects/shows got picked up, they could go.


Sure.. sure.. 

Ratings and hype wise, I think TWD is doing well.

Leave all that behind.. 

125 You make more money with your own shows. So, hell yes, you leave it behind.

126 Any zombie show is better than no zombie show.

127 Yes, yes, plenty of nits to pick, but at the end of the day, it is what it is - a tv show. I watch tv to be distracted and taken to another place, as it were. Do I agree with the way the show has been written in every respect? Nope. Could some things be tightened up? Sure. But I'll still keep watching next season. I want to know where they go next, silly plot twists and all. Besides, Sunday nights from 10-11 are the only time I get the TV all to myself without any kids fighting me for it and if I wanna watch flesh eating zombies, I'm gonna watch flesh eating zombies.

128 Oh. And I think that Jenner told Rick that they are all carriers of the virus or whatever it is. When Rick was trashed and asked Jenner how the blood work looked, Jenner responded with "Nothing unexpected." Does that mean more than the obvious? Why wouldn't he have said, everything is good - all clear. I think he expected to find evidence of the disease in them, even if it wasn't "active." He didn't off them then because he planned to blow everyone up anyway.

129 If the writers were let go, politely or otherwise, I would understand the decision. They inserted too much soap opera into what was otherwise a challenging end-of-the-world story. Unfortunately, the decision to change the story setting to summer instead of winter forced the writers to make deviations from the first 12 or so issues of the comic. Nothing like trying to survive when snow is about to fall to focus one's mind on finding a safe, warm, dry, place to hole up! Naturally it was the writers who ended up holding the bag, not the producers, but that's life for you.

In response to some other posters, there has been a real bad case of survival/action drama show characters getting a bad case or libertarditis. That's an inflammation of the stupid gland, characterized by hyper-emotional mindset, loss of analytical skills, and a tendency to blame everything on Capitalism and Bush. It's not automatically a buzzkiller for me, but it does tend to get in the way of a good story. It is taking over from the environmental armageddon as the most over-used story trope these days.Then again, I guess all SWG people in NYC and Hollywood must think the whole USA is like their own little elitist suburb. Maybe the next batch of writers will figure out The Walking Dead involves people who live in flyover country, for better or worse.

Given some of the comments posted here, I retain my belief that gamers will all survive the zombie apocalypse...not to mention most of the other survivable forms of apocalypse. We know what the score is, and intend to come out winners. Surviving is winning.

As for the whole "180 days" thing...I just ignored that whole thing. I sort of wished they hadn't try to "explain" things, and just let the mess roll onward from Day 1, when Rick re-entered a world gone mad. Like I've said before, you can't explain dead people re-animating, and eating the living. You just have to deal with it. Some people choose not to deal with it and despair, but that's how things turn out for some people. We call them "losers", and are well rid of them, even if they previously had positions of importance. Ought to have called that scientist "Denethor" and be done with it.  

130 If the CDC's computer was all-knowing, why didn't someone have the bright idea of asking it (a) what happened to the other scientists, (b) how to get out of the place during lockdown, (c) where the extra diesel was, and (d) where all the hot women were being kept?   When the windshield on the RV didn't even crack, I knew the explosion was "special".  

That said, I'll still watch next season.    While I find it too PC at times, I can ignore most of it (not Vatos or the view that all Southern white men are either (a) racist, (b) stupid or (c) "a" and "b"). 

Dexter is starting to veer off track, but is still a good show.  He's making a big mistake by ignoring his dad's advice on a "partner", and that can't end well.

Breaking Bad starts again soon, and it is a quality show.

131 Dr Jenner's wife (T19): How did she become infected sitting in the CDC bunker?


My guess is she was going out occasionally for tissue samples and "got bit."

132 Dr Jenner's wife (T19): How did she become infected sitting in the CDC bunker?

Jenner also explained that there were suicides.  Presumably if they didn't destroy their brainstems in the act, they reanimated inside the complex.

133 61 How does a one handed redneck load a panel truck with zombies with no help?

Tether a live animal or human inside the truck as bait, wait for the zombies to fill up the truck feeding on it, then slam the back doors shut.  That's how I do it.

134 140 Dr Jenner's wife (T19): How did she become infected sitting in the CDC bunker?

Not quite the genius her husband claimed she was, eh?

135 Undead states, Its a far cry from" he's going to be taking some venegence back to camp" to saying he took zombies back to camp. The criticism by someone was how could Merle round up zombies being the condition he was in. Well, the show never stated that Merle rounded up zombies, even after the zombie attack.

136 This episode was really to just answer the question of the personhood of a zombie. The whole" synaps firing make you who you are" was a goobly goop way of saying its OK the kill zombies. Of course the way the doctor explains" higher brain functions" and" lower brain stem activity" sounds wrong. Someone with only brain stem activity is probably in a vegetative state. AFAIK, walking, seeing, smelling, climbing, are all higher brain functions.

137 'Of course the way the doctor explains" higher brain functions" and" lower brain stem activity" sounds wrong. Someone with only brain stem activity is probably in a vegetative state. AFAIK, walking, seeing, smelling, climbing, are all higher brain functions.'

Certainly would not be a tool user with just the brain stem active. When the foragers that Rick met in Atlanta after getting out of the tank were under seige, zombies were using stones or rocks or something to crack the front door panels.

 

138

Locate:

A good supply of Bear Proof Suits.

A Combat Engineer vehicle.

A container frieght box on a trailer.

We all know the TS-19 subject heroically injected herself with zombie AIDS to study the problem first hand.

139 The Grandson says he saw a truck for studying Alaskan wildlife on TV called a Tundra Buggy perhaps this is the zombie escape vehicle of choice.

140

My husband and I agree that the big redneck they left handcuffed to the pipe is the guy one would want in your corner.  He's by far the best looking of the guys and who cares if he's unenlightened, someone has to skin the animals.  While I like the deputy's looks, his altruism is impractical and unlikely in this situation.  The group's motto would most probably be, "Kill or be killed."

Happily the writing is really beginning to lag so in the near future I probably will not be woken from a sound sleep by screams and gunshots.  The roar of a full-throttle hemi down a deserted freeway doesn't bother me.  Screams and gunshots are a whole other thing.

 

141 Actually, for those of you hating on the "The French Held Out Last" comment,  think about it, it really makes a certain kind of sense.

Historically speaking, the French have always been scientists and philosophers.  They're way better equipped than we Yanks are to hold out in the face of some biological/possibly theological disaster.  We're good at fighting things we know, can point out, and can then target with a laser guided bomb.  They're better with theory and thought work. 

If you don't believe me, just take some time to study the past 300 years worth of philosophy and intellectual theory that went into setting the foundations for the modern age.  Most of those important ideas have a French name attached to them.

They might not fight well with guns, but they do indeed have some great thinkers.

142 Oh yeah, for those of you that noticed, my name actually is Rick: Richard J. Saunders to be exact... so if I respond to someone talking about "Rick" the character... its just because I've had a drink or two and forgot that I share a name with the protagonist of this particular TV show.

;-)

143 What do the numbers binocularsmean in the binoculars titlebirding binoculars?