1
Good movie.

Clinton was an awful president.

2 Nor should we forget it was feckless American Liberal leadership that got those guys killed and dragged thru the streets of Mogadishu.

3 God bless all of them and everyone who will die to stem the tide of evil from the islamofacist neandertals

4

Since this is getting so much air time all over the MFM, and since it's not nice to focus on the immoderate muslims alone, you all are probably already tired of it, but just in case you just enjoy boring yourselves with innocuous, heavily reported news, read about BarryÂ’s peace loving moderate Islamic friends enjoying the attention of American law enforcement.

From Boker Tov Boulder

5 ... we should never forget the lesson one Osama bin Laden took from our withdrawal from Somalia not long after this battle. In reading cold war histories one of the biggest events, in the eyes of the Soviets, was when Congress defunded South Vietnam in 1975 - allowing the North to win the war. That the US would allow an ally to lose a war of survival had been beyond the Soviet's comprehension. That was when they realized there was a willpower problem with the US. Before South Vietnam fell, the Sovs were fighting the cold war. Afterwards, they were fighting with the expectation of winning it*. (Notice how froggy they got between 1975 and 1981). Osama learned the same lesson from Somalia. *That's according to memoirs of Soviet spooks.

6
You know why it happened?

Because of Western xenophobia.

7 Since we shouldn't forget them I went searching for their names.  link

8 "He is out of Afghanistan psychologically," says Woodward of Obama.  Well, he may be out, but the soldiers he ordered to go to Afghanistan are in.

Some will not come home.

(From Krauthammer)

May there be a place in the hottest part of hell awaiting Prissypants.  And as the mom of one of those young men, I hope he never sleeps a single night, that he dies with the ghosts of those he sent off to war and forgot.  He's a heartless bastard.  I hope for the rest of his days, he's haunted by the ghosts of those he wasn't worthy to lead.  He and his nasty, trashy wife.

9 @8: he could only be haunted if he had a conscience.  I don't think there's much chance of that.

10 My old battalion XO was a specialist in the Rangers with a number of those guys.  He actually got out shortly before the Somalia mission, and I think it haunts him to this day that he wasn't there.  God bless them all, and to hell with leaders who aren't willing to stand and fight when it's necessary.

11 Defense Secretary Les Aspin who micromanaged this mess. I hate it when liberals, for domestic purposes, screw over our good and loyal troops. Liberals will ALWAYS be a soldiers worse nightmare.

12 One of those Delta MOH guys was from my hometown. Truly should have gone in there and flattened the Mog.

13 @ 1 Good movie.

Even better book.

14 Our kid watched Black Hawk Down repeatedly.  He always asked, "Why didn't we go back and kick their asses?" 

Now in the Marines, if he's ever in that situation (and with Jugears as CinC it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility), I'd go over myself and kick ass until they cut me to ribbons.  Yeah, I'm that pissed off.

15

 Defense Secretary Les Aspin who micromanaged this mess. I hate it when liberals, for domestic purposes, screw over our good and loyal troops. Liberals will ALWAYS be a soldiers worse nightmare.

 

As someone who spent 12 years in the military under the leadership of liberal dem losers, I say amen to your comment. 

16

Maybe when the adults are returned to power, we can actually get serious about winning this war against radical islam and fix the ROE to let the fighting forces crush the enemy. We should also start executing terrorists, eventually they'll get the message. We also need to point out that they're using civilians as shields every time we find it. Cram it down the throats of every "human rights" group every day and ask why they are silent.

We've tried being nice. All that did was invite more attacks. We need to send a message that we absolutely, positively will not tolerate their bullshit any longer: attack us and you die. Plain and simple. And stop the "you just create more terrorists" crap. Really? Good, send more and see what happens to them.

I've never seen such a bunch of pussies in all my life as the ones trying to prosecute this war. We still haven't heard the word "victory" from The Vapid One® yet.

17
Why liberals hate counting military votes.

18

Shame on Bill Clinton and shame on our military brass that left men to die.   I haven't been able to watch Blackhawk Down because to me it is more than a movie.  It's a portrayal of the betrayal of good men by the political hacks both in and out of the service.  I'm pretty well assured I can dance and spit on Jimmy Carter's grave.  With any luck, I can do the same on Bill Clinton's. 

Ever watch the assholes in the presidency salute a soldier or Marine.  You can tell they don't have a clue.  There is no respect there.  That's how they could leave men behind. They don't understand.  The serviceman salutes the rank and office but there is something more in it if he respects the recipient.  Carter, Clinton and Obama will never feel and understand this. 

19 Just to clarify, when I refered to assholes in the presidency I meant Carter, Clinton and Obama.  Carter was in the Navy and he still didn't have a clue. 

20 13 @ 1 Good movie.

Even better book.

Posted by: Sugar Ray Bradbury at October 03, 2010 07:50 PM (gzjhZ)

Amen, a fantastic book.  I was at a conference last week and Michael Durant was the speaker on Wednesday.  He said that we should have sent armor to accomplish the mission, not helicopters.  AC-130 Spectres and M1-A1 tanks.  During the photo op after I said "Clinton said that the armor would be too offensive didn't he?"  He said "yes but I didn't want to use any names."  You could see the pain of losing the men in his Blackhawk.  It was a great talk by a great man.

The book shows the unbelievable determination of those men.   The little bird pilots and the Delta operators are amazing.

21 I landed there 2 weeks later as a part of Task force 2-64 out of Ft Stewart. Learned a lot about the world on that little vacation.

22 Carter was in the Navy and he still didn't have a clue. Posted by: Ohio Dan at October 03, 2010 08:09 PM (K03lE) I'd love to see his Fitreps? And I bet he was NOT the most popular Officer in the Fleet

23 We really do need to take the gloves off in this war. The ROE should be kill and kill some more and if more come, kill them too. Eventually they either get the message or run out of idiots. Either way, we win.

24

Once again - world incidence of intermarriage (there's a map).

http://tinyurl.com/29s4gou

 

25 I read that when Black Hawk Down screened in Mogadishu, the Somalis cheered when the chopper got hit by the rocket.

And Clinton decided it was a good idea to let 10,000 Somalis into America right after that why, exactly?  Was it because life would be more exciting wondering how many Somali "Americans" would become terrorists?

26 Let me just say that if I was still in charge of an American army... Mogadishu would be a very different place today.

VERY different. 

And still smokin'.

27 If you're looking for an antidote to shameful episodes in US history, Mr. Smith Goes To Washington is on TCM.

28 Jesus, will somebody PLEASE post the ONT?  This thread is deader than Helen Thomas's pooter.

29 Fuckin Irene!

30

Posted by: Zombie Gen. William T. Sherman at October 03, 2010 08:31 PM (tJjm/)

There can only be one.

31 The Warrier Song.  Why? Because it makes me feel better after this type of discussion.  Crank it up and feel better.

32 Sweet Jeebus.  Drudge has a linky to WaPo (I can't do the linky thingy, so suck it).  Chavez says his civilian militia needs to be armed and ready.

Barky, you taking notes, jackass?

33

Sorry, this is the version I prefer.

 

The Warrier Song.

34

I still say we should demolish one of theirs for every attempt at something of ours.    After Mogadishu, it should have been an ashtray.   Somalia should have been no more.   Same for Yeman after the Cole.   Every embassy bombing, every place bombed that held American citizens or military should have been answered by destroying something of theirs.   After 9/11, there should have been no more Afgan-ass-tan.    

Of course, I really wonder if we would have had a 9/11, if we had had the balls to do what needed to be done the first time the fuckers tried to take us on.

Yeah, I'm sick of the fuckers.   When the hell are we going to say enough?  1000s of theirs are not worth one member of our brave military, and I won't apologize for feeling that way.   Fuck 'em.

 

35 And Clinton decided it was a good idea to let 10,000 Somalis into America right after that why, exactly?  Was it because life would be more exciting wondering how many Somali "Americans" would become terrorists?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 03, 2010 08:24 PM (tJjm/)

And that was just the scouting party.  Once they got a beach head the vermin scouted the US for the best welfare bennies and started bringing over their family members.  They should be rounded up and dropped in the middle of the Atlantic.

36 Posted by: CoolCzech at October 03, 2010 08:24 PM (tJjm/)

clinton let somalis in?  Wow, didn't BO let so many somalis in that they literally took over entire American towns?  Remember reading that a couple of months back.  He even had some somali official come and supervise or something and it was all done out of the auspices of immigration.  So a lot of people in other countries waiting in line were making a lot of comments at the time about unfairness

37 Unlike you I made American heroes, and you can all thank me for that.

38 Where's Patton and McArthur when we need them?

They wouldn't have up with this muzzie bullshit.

39

To all that fought against tyranny so many could remain free or become free, thank you so much.

to those that fought against tyranny so many could be freed yet weren't  for any reason. thank you so much for doing everything that could be done.

any of  those that went and fought, ...imagine  the fear of the young soldiers, the strangeness, the constant alert, and the damned strength to rise and fight day after day year after year, what could be said that is enough, to say thank you , father- mother- child of those that fought for the pure desire to see and help america remain free and with hope others also could be so.

my families enduring gratefulness, always.

40

Yeah, I'm sick of the fuckers.   When the hell are we going to say enough?  1000s of theirs are not worth one member of our brave military, and I won't apologize for feeling that way.   Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Steph at October 03, 2010 08:37 PM (ZfkPl)

I hear you.  Now is the time - while it will still be easy to make a clean sweep.  But apparently most Americans want to just trust to hope that somehow everything will just magically work out without blood shed.  Wishfull thinking at its worst.

 

41

O/T Seen on some site with libtard rally pictures a green poster board with the statement "MORE EDUCATION MEANS LESS REPUBLICANS".

I'm assuming this was written by one of the Dept of Edu schills. I would pay money to have been able to walk up to the carrier and correct the grammar.

42 SFC Shuggart was my first team leader when I was a private in the 2nd Ranger Battalion back in 1978. We had traveled similar paths through our careers though I wasn't in that operation. I deeply mourned his passing; and that of all our heroes.

43 14 Our kid watched Black Hawk Down repeatedly.  He always asked, "Why didn't we go back and kick their asses?" 

Now in the Marines, if he's ever in that situation (and with Jugears as CinC it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility), I'd go over myself and kick ass until they cut me to ribbons.  Yeah, I'm that pissed off.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 07:50 PM (UOM4

Let me know when you want to go, I'll come with.

44 Military families need to hang together more than ever.

I had a lib-leaning friend approach me after church today to tell me, "I know you miss your kid in Okinawa, but my gawd!  He got training to live on his own!  My oldest is in college, and I am so worried how he's handling it!" 

I swear, I wanted to slap the stupid off that woman.  D'oh calmly steered me, with a frozen smile on my face, away.

My kid and others.  The one percent who serve their country.

45 Let me know when you want to go, I'll come with.

I'm in.

46 24 They have intermarried into insanity. Why is canada darker?

47 Meanwhile, American Liberals keep praying that a troop of blond blue-eyed white guys up and join Al Quaida.  If such a group attacks and kills in this country, the liberals will rejoice in the streets.

48 Unclefacts, let's go.  I've built up enough mean in me I believe I'd scare the dress and panties off a Muztard.

49 46 24 They have intermarried into insanity. Why is canada darker?

Posted by: dagny at October 03, 2010 08:51 PM (jS7i0)

It gets cold, in the Great White North.

50

"...But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."

-- from Bin Laden's 1996 fatwa 

So from the horse's mouth, calling Clinton out by name, withdrawal from Somalia emboldened the global jihad.  What did Clinton do from 1996-2001?  Depleted our cruise missile stockpile on empty tents.     

51 I had a lib-leaning friend approach me after church today to tell me, "I know you miss your kid in Okinawa, but my gawd!  He got training to live on his own!  My oldest is in college, and I am so worried how he's handling it!" 

I swear, I wanted to slap the stupid off that woman.  D'oh calmly steered me, with a frozen smile on my face, away.

My kid and others.  The one percent who serve their country.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 08:50 PM (UOM4

What you should have said to her...'Well, while you worry about your son getting drunk and showing his ass, I worry about my son getting killed to protect your right to be an ass."

52 While thousands have since died in battlefields around the world in this same war, we should never forget the 19 Americans, including Master Sergeant Martin, who died that day.

Indeed, we should never forget.  And we should honor the fallen by taking the fight to the enemy and finishing them off. 

Damn Clinton for his lackadaisical approach to national security, which is the Chief Executive's Numero Uno job. 

53 Obama said that on the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall: " It unleashed a spirit of hope and joy, and opened the door to unprecedented freedom throughout the European continent and around the world. bama said that the fall of the Berlin wall: "

54 @50: yeah, Beagle, but to this day the Liberals indulge in the fantasy that it was Bush that started the war with the Islamists.  They absolutely refuse to accept that America was at war for at least a decade before 9/11... only she buried her head in the sand rather than face it.

55 Damn Clinton for his lackadaisical approach to national security, which is the Chief Executive's Numero Uno job. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 03, 2010 08:57 PM (c0A3e)

Shows what you know!  My numero uno job is to lower the sea level!  Now excuse me, can't you see I'm trying to buy shrimp?

56 Bin Laden and President Clinton both made the same mistake. They thought that battle was a defeat instead of the victory it was. Bin Laden has the excuse of wishful thinking and sycophantic reports from the field. Clinton was just wobbly and fearful.

57 What else did Clinton do in the nineties?  Something about cigars.................

58 I still wake up in tears at night, after a nightmare about Clinton's exploding cigar joke!

59 As I posted below in the 8/28-10/2 thread, Gary Sinese and his Lt. Dan Band had a concert Friday night in Beaufort, SC (Parris Island is 7 miles away).  We didn't make it Friday, but went to the Shrimp Festival yesterday.  The Semper Fi Fund was there collecting money for injured Marines (and we of course donated).  Also, Sinese had Lt. Dan Weekend t-shirts for sale to benefit wounded veterans.  We bought two, one for D'oh and one for his best bud.

An article in today's paper about the event has a heart-wrenching quote from one of the 50 families who had their travel and expenses paid for by Sinese's group:

Her son was a combat medic with the 82nd Airborne when he was shot in the stomach in 2003 in Iraq.  He lost his spleen, most of his intestines and 90 percent of his stomach.  A stroke during his recovery left him needing a wheelchair and around-the-clock care.

"It's like having a 170-pound newborn, but it's so important that Alan have these relationships and have these goals" said his mother, Rosie Babin about their trip to Beaufort.

God bless that sweet mom and dad and their beloved boy.

60 ot so the muslims want a mosque at ground zero and the muslim terrorists want to blow up notre dame? ........

61

Sorry this is off topic (please dont flog me.. again)

But what the hell am I missing on this whole James Okeefe punks CNN bubble headed blonde thing?

Why are Beck and  Brietbart flipping out?

62 As I posted below in the 8/28-10/2 thread, Gary Sinese and his Lt. Dan Band had a concert Friday night in Beaufort, SC (Parris Island is 7 miles away). We didn't make it Friday, but went to the Shrimp Festival yesterday. The Semper Fi Fund was there collecting money for injured Marines (and we of course donated). Also, Sinese had Lt. Dan Weekend t-shirts for sale to benefit wounded veterans. We bought two, one for D'oh and one for his best bud. Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 09:05 PM (UOM4 You live down there? I saw that he was coming to Beaufort when I was down at Parris Island but it was after I got back. I bet the place was rocking.

63

But what the hell am I missing on this whole James Okeefe punks CNN bubble headed blonde thing?

Why are Beck and  Brietbart flipping out?

*shrugs*  As I understood it, O'Keefe was supposed to be interviewed, and the reporter was a cute blonde, so O'Keefe and his buddies hatched a plan where O'Keefe would try to seduce her and they would film the whole thing.  It seemed like either a borat-style prank where he was obviously over the top in his attempt (silk sheets, candles, cheesy music), or a way to see if they could catch a CNN reporter acting inappropraitely to get a story (IE willing to sleep with a source)

64 nevergiveup, we're in Savannah, barely an hour away from Beaufort.  Our kid graduated from P.I. in January. 

65

@63

AND?

66 @63: let's face it, O'Keefe is not the sharpest knife in the drawer... his Pimp outfit was pretty over-the-top, too.  And this particular idea... well, he's also more than a little creepy.

67 nevergiveup, we're in Savannah, barely an hour away from Beaufort. Our kid graduated from P.I. in January. Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 09:14 PM (UOM4 I remember you son did. Yeah when I go to PI i fly into Savannah. I'll be there next summer also. I like being with the Marines.

68

Im sorry but Ashton Kusher does this crap for a living and no one has ever said shit about it.

Okeefe was going to goof CNN and the whole conservative world turns on him?

Something is not right with this.

 

69  While we're heaping approbation on Clinton and his execrable SecDef Proxmire, let's save a little for Reagan and his team.

I am a big Reagan fan, and his Presidency was something of a miracle after the preceding two decades, but let's not pretend his guys had a handle on the Middle East.  

They set up the Marines in Beirut with a giant target on them then turned tail and ran away, worse still they saved Arafat and the PLO from joining the ranks of the deservedly extinguished.

70 nevergiveup, I told Delta Smelt earlier (he's in the SC area) I'll get an e-mail that's not my actual name, as I have now.  I'd love any morons/ettes to get in touch with me.  D'oh and I are always up for a party, cookout, you name it.  Seriously.

Heh.  Eventually, we might actually rival the northeast moron meetups.  Maybe not in number of attendees, or hobos, but way more fun!

71 OK, that was a freaky Snickers commercial right there on the SNF game. Posted by: CDR M at October 03, 2010 09:23 PM (5I8G0) Yes it was, but we're talking about it?

72 Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 03, 2010 09:25 PM (UOM4 I'll keep that in mind

73 There is some evidence that Mohammed Atef, the Al Qaeda military chief, was an observer or even a participant in the Battle of Mogadishu.  Of course, we later got him in Afghanistan.  We killed him real good.

74 CDR M, will do.

75 I've been saying for twenty years (yes, well before the WTC attack) that this is not by any means a recent conflict. Some people draw a distinction between Sep 10th people and Sep 11th people. I'm an October 10th person. That is as in October 10th 732 AD. The Battle of Tours. The high-watermark (so far) of expansionist Islam in continental Europe. They were only 150 miles from Paris when Charlie the Hammer butchered their army and killed their leader. Gibbon said were it not for Tours, Oxford's dreaming spires might have been minarets. Creasy listed it in his compendium of decisive battles. It is worth noting a) how soon after Mohammed's birth the barbarians had decided to make Europe their demesne b) how long after kicking the shit out of them in France it took us to finally rid ourselves of them. There is a longer lapse of time between Tours and the Reconquista than between the Reconquista and the present day.

We have been fighting these bloodthirsty thugs for 1400 years. The psychotic ideology has spread - like blood poisoning - from a fly-blown desert hellhole to all corners of the globe. The Middle East. The Far East. Europe. There are enclaves of howling Mohammedans in the highlands of South America, for God's sake. Everywhere Islam has trod it has brought forth destruction, desuetude and death. The Mughal invasion of India is popularly reckoned to have cost eighty million lives. A million (mostly, but by no means all, Mediterranean) Europeans were abducted by Arab slavers, to enter a life of incomprehensible barbarity (males were routinely castrated, females were sold into that most abject sexual slavery that is today still a hallmark of Mohammedanism.) Miguel Cervantes fought in the Battle of Lepanto to free slaves held in the galleys of the despicable Ottoman Empire, and this was the sixteenth century. This is not a new fight, nor will it go away if we ignore it.

Religion of Peace? Like hell.

Oh, and another Sep 11th? 1683, when Jan Sobieski relieved the Siege of Vienna. Not a new conflict, not at all.

76 Watched most of the Rush Family Guy episode.  One of the most unfunny ever.  It just wasnt good

77 @77: obviously, what we need is add a token Muzzie to the all the commercials out there with that feature 2 or more actors, each of which must invariably be of a different ethnic group.  You know, alongside the token Asian and the Token Black and the Token Hispanic, we need one Token Jihadi.

That will make everything better.

78 Holy Smokes, did anyone watch Ed "Fatty" Schultz pretend he was talking to a crowd at the non-rally the other day:

http://tinyurl.com/2d2ayps

Would I be wrong if I wished he ran into a group of billy club wielding Black Panthers on his way to the hotel room tonight?

79 David Gillies? 

+1,000

80 78 Watched most of the Rush Family Guy episode.  One of the most unfunny ever.  It just wasnt good

Posted by: MAJHAM at October 03, 2010 09:37 PM (k9sLf)

Sorry, but I have yet to witness a funny Family Guy episode.

81

Well if we cant kill all the muslims off (and Im pretty sure we cant)

Maybe we could send some department stores over to the middle east to commercilize the crap out of Rhamadon.

There would be nothing like a Macys Rhamadon parade in Mecca to warm the hearts of muslim extremist.

and maybe we can send Hallmark over to write some Rhamadon greeting cards like

" I hope "Jihad" a Happy Rhamadon"

82

Sorry, but I have yet to witness a funny Family Guy episode.

I think the first few were pretty funny--the ones from years ago-, but I quit watching after the time they shot up the picture of W in the White House.

83

@77  1683, when Jan Sobieski relieved the Siege of Vienna.

http://tinyurl.com/27uguq2

The Winged Hussars were, I think, the first armed body ever referred to as

"Angels from Hell."  That's some pretty big sabatons to fill.

84

On a serious note

I think we took the wrong side of the Kosovo issue.

I think that was the turning point for Osama and the rest of the extremist

because it was at that point they realized they could dupe the american media into fighting thier cause for them.

85 How is this for a lesson: the people we were fighting AGAINST then are the same ones that we are SUPPORTING now as the so called "Transitional Government" the last I heard the grandson of the man whose attempted kidnapping/abduction was the reason for Blackhawk Down is the Minister of Defense of the Transitional Government. Maybe it is time the USA started thinking more than one move ahead. It is just like that in Afghanistan where the radical islamists that we supported when they were fighting the Russians are now killing us. Oh yeah, and in Iraq al Sadr whose militia killed more Americans than any other group is now going to determine who forms the next government in Iraq

86 I remember being shocked when we pulled out of Somalia.I just knew we were fixin' to bring smoke on some ass. Then I realized what a puss BJ was. I knew we were screwed. I was sickened. When I finally watched the movie, I got furious at the lack of support and the resulting pullout.

87

Do you know one the main reason for so many casualties was that Clinton disallowed any of our top of the line armored vehicles in Somalia, because of the so called "signal" that would send, whatever the fuck that meant.

So many of the casualties were incurred by relief columns of Humvees dashing through narrow corridors of death getting fired upon from the sides and from the rooftops.  What sort of damage could anything the Somalis possesed have done to an M-1 tank along these same streets.  And how long would a makeshift Somali barricade have impeded the course of a 70 ton tank going 40 miles an hour.

Six M-1 tanks could have arrived on the scene in 20 minutes and formed an impenetrable defensive perimeter until an air evacuation or a ceasfire could have been effected. I pin the responsibility for 75% of the casualties on that one pusilanimous, preciously PC decision alone

88 Damn, didn't mean to affix a sock puppet name to that post about the tragedy in Somalia. I had gotten out of the Army four years before the Somalia misadventure.  I was assigned to a PSYOPS Battallion that was attached to CENTCOM.  I would have been sent over there.  I was enraged at how a unmilitary non decision made by a draft dodger cost so many lives

89 I was enraged at how a unmilitary non decision made by a draft dodger cost so many lives

Amen Brother!

It still pisses me off so bad I can't watch the movie again.

90 Peter Dragon: A-fuckin-men. Pussy Washington-based ROE's got more of the guys killed than anything. And if you've read Mark Bowden's book you will see the extent to which any UN-backed operation is a clusterfuck waiting to happen. Can you imagine being Delta or SEAL and knowing it's fucking <i>Malaysians</i> are your backstop (not saying their individual soldiers aren't brave, and they lost a guy in the exfil, but seriously, folks, that's like picking the fat kid with one permanently blocked nostril to be on your volleyball team.)

Of course, psychotic dickhead that he is (was?),Osama bin Laden took away entirely the wrong message. What he saw was an American tactical unit getting ambushed and withdrawing under fire. What he failed to notice was we inflicted 1500 fatal casualties on his gang of shoeless cretins after losing fewer than two dozen of our own, and a large majority of the Skinnies were killed in the attempt to retrieve the corpses of our boys. You can sit in a cave alternately humping goats and eating them for a million years but as long as the casualty ratio is 100:1 in our favour DURING AN EXTRACTION (never mind if we're really gunning for you during the kinetic phase of an operation) then we're winning, you crazy fuckstick. At that rate, you'll run out of Jihadists long before we run out of Marines. You can shoot up a supermarket. We can melt your cities.

91 "The lessons he drew from that ill fated day and intervention only applied to the leadership of the time." Says who? We aren't stopping the Iranians from making their bombs. We aren't stopping the Saudis from spreading the oil money we pay them to sharia schools throughout Europe and North America, and bomb-making schools everywhere else. We aren't trying to win the war in Afghanistan, we're fighting to protect and safeguard a nation of boy-sodomizers. We fought in Iraq to make the place safe for Islam - the remaining Christian and Jewish populations have pretty much left, now that it's all democratic and the imams can enforce their fatwas that much more directly. And when one man goes to exercise his First Amendment rights, the commanding general of our army is joined by all of polite society in pressuring him not to, in the name of COWARDICE. Bottom line, we didn't start tossing nukes by the end of September '01, which would have been the only appropriate response to this brutal savage war that has been waged against civilization by these desert savages for the past 1400 years. Bin Laden was absolutely right, and you are absolutely wrong, and the final bill has yet to be paid.

92 I have the greatest respect for the US Military! I was a US Marine for 20 years. I salute the fallen of Black Hawk Down. This is a reality check, the loss of 19 Americans as opposed to the 500 to 700 enemy killed is NOT a defeat! It is a decisive victory. The only mark against this victory is the stupid decisions that put our troops into that situation. They were outnumbered by at least 10 to 1. If you go to fight a war you must be there to win decisively, commit overwhelming force to end the battle decisively, you cannot be concerned about international opinion, that costs more lives on both sides.

93 In Somalia, like Afghanistan, we were there to help the people.  We should not be in the Muslim world "helping" people.  We should be killing bad people and scaring the bystanders.  In and out.  The only hearts and minds involved should be the body parts of bad guys.

We never should have gone to Somalia, because we had no national interest there.  We should not necessarily go everywhere on earth that people hate us to scare them or kill them or make them fear us; most of them are completely impotent. No planes, no aircraft carriers, no power project capacity.  They can hate us, but they can't hurt us. 

Every single 9/11 terrorist came in this country on a visa of some kind; we are letting the bad guys in the front door.  Without permanent garrisons in the Middle East and an open door immigration policy, there is very little the Muslims can do to hurt us.  I salute the brave men of the Rangers and Special Forces and other forces in Somalia, but the mission was a moronic "humanitarian" intervention in a volatile uncivilized shithole.  The only lesson learned to me is that small operations require bigger ones and revenge operations and permanent occupations and grow out of control until we're on the ground ten years in some third world dump.  In the alternative, we can avoid all the fuss by never setting foot in these shitholes to begin with or bombing the hell out of them to keep them in line--a la Libya 1986.  Better that than interminable and inconclusive ten year wars like we're concluding in Iraq.  In five or ten years, does anyone doubt these people will have coups and terrorists and all kinds of other chaos, all in spite of our efforts.

PS  I love Reagan, but don't forget he yanked us from the ill conceived Lebanon occupation in '83.  So this is not just a Democratic disease, as much as I loathe Clinton.  Once again, we should not have been in Lebanon--assisting the evacuation of the PLO no less--and generally should bud out of 99% of the world's shitholes and their endless conflicts.  If they need to be whacked, do so quckly and get out.  The nation-building humanitarian shit is stupid and wins us fewer friends than it creates new enemies.

94
Many spot-on comments here.  The main point today should be about the many American Warriors that fought that day and the absolutely heroic (epic even) things they did that day.

18 men, all better than I, made the ultimate sacrifice that day and that's what we need to remember for today.  Recriminations can ALWAYS be made tomorrow.

If you haven't read "In The Company Of Heroes" by Mike Durant, you should.  What happened that day needs to be remembered and memorialized.
Forever.

NSDQ & RLTW

95 Roach - I don't recall being very impressed with Shultz' rationalization of our being dragged into Lebanon by the French to save Arafat.  

96 What boggles my mind is that in the midst of this war, our american voters decided to vote with the enemy.  Electing obama the appeaser is tantamount to, in WWII, electing joe kennedy, the nazi appeaser, to be president.
Our voters need to be educated on how the muslims enslaved their area of the world centuries ago, what their present day mission is, and decide once and for all.....will America stand and fight or will it submit.  If the voters decide we must submit (and their vote for obama indicates that)then bring our soldiers home.

97 Do you know one the main reason for so many casualties was that Clinton disallowed any of our top of the line armored vehicles in Somalia, because of the so called "signal" that would send, whatever the fuck that meant.

I was in the unit that was the armor support for Somalia at the time (being in the 3rd Brigade of the 24th Division, which was in the XVIIIth Airborne Corp's DRF rotation). My vehicles and troops were on the pad in Fort Benning, Ga. The units in Somalia depended on Pakistani armor for support.

98

Six M-1 tanks could have arrived on the scene in 20 minutes and formed an impenetrable defensive perimeter until an air evacuation or a ceasfire could have been effected. I pin the responsibility for 75% of the casualties on that one pusilanimous, preciously PC decision alone

Posted by: Peter Dragon at October 03, 2010 10:28 PM (GOsSG)

Not to mention all the armored vehicles with greater armor protection from small arms between the Humvee and the M1A1.  Just the old Vietnam-era M113s would have saved the day, having thin plate armor.  The 'up-armored' Humvee, of course, was a few wars away in 1993.   

Apparently the "no tanks" rule applied to APCs as well.  Typical leftist moonbat idiocy, like semi-automatic rifles being machine guns or something.   Les Aspin, proud moonbat.  

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