August 17, 2010
— DrewM Sestak must be wondering if that job offer from Obama is still on the table.
Pat Toomey has taken a 45-36 lead in the Pennsylvania Senate race. That's a big change from the tie PPP saw in a June survey of the race but pretty similar to the solid Toomey lead our April survey showed.Toomey's winning for the same reasons most Republican candidates across the country are doing well in key races right now:
-He has a 50-23 lead with independent voters.
-He's benefiting from a much more unified party, as he leads 74-9 with Republicans while Sestak is currently up only 64-15 with Democrats.
...The biggest key to the race is probably Obama's considerably fallen popularity. His approval rating stands at only 40% with 55% of voters disapproving of him, one of the biggest declines from 2008 performance we've seen for him anywhere in the country. Part of Obama's low numbers is a reflection of the Republican trending voter pool in the state this year, but there are also more people who voted for Obama but disapprove of him now in Pennsylvania than there are most places.
All those damn bitter clingers and Mutha "rednecks".
As you may have noticed, this is a PPP poll and they are the new official polling outfit for Kos, so you know, it's not going to be GOP friendly. Yet the Democrat still gets walloped and Obama's numbers are still in the tank.
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Posted by: KAYINMAINE at August 17, 2010 07:29 AM (zqDLI)
I guess that frees up more money to spend on the Senate races in Wisconsin, Washington, California, and Nevada.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 17, 2010 07:29 AM (wDKwf)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at August 17, 2010 07:29 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 17, 2010 07:30 AM (NvFZs)
Part of Obama's low numbers is a reflection of the Republican trending voter pool in the state this year, but there are also more people who voted for Obama but disapprove of him now in Pennsylvania than there are most places. Our national poll last week found only 7% of Obama voters are now unhappy with the job he's doing but in Pennsylvania the figure is 15%.
I'm looking at YOU, Philadelphia suburbs.
Posted by: kallisto at August 17, 2010 07:30 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Editor at August 17, 2010 07:30 AM (pUfK9)
I just received two Toomey yard signs last night and put them up in my yard.
i credit the bounce to that.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:31 AM (wuv1c)
Ace, besides an official drink, Valu Rite, what have us guys endorsed?
Posted by: Kemp at August 17, 2010 07:31 AM (vSiVD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2010 07:32 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: Kemp at August 17, 2010 11:31 AM (vSiVD)
Blow & Strippers. Also, Robert Rizzo.
Posted by: Editor at August 17, 2010 07:33 AM (pUfK9)
Posted by: willow at August 17, 2010 07:33 AM (SbsTp)
PA has over one million more Dems than Republicans but some are Reagan Democrats and Sestak is running a horrible campaign. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Sestak won.
Here are some more numbers out of PA that are too good to be true:
Pennsylvania 3: Despite challenger Mike Kelly having just 62 percent name recognition, he leads Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper by a 52 to 38 percent margin.
Pennsylvania 10: Despite challenger Tom Marino having just 59 percent name recognition compared to Rep. Chris CarneyÂ’s 94 percent name recognition, Marino leads on the ballot by a 52 to 37 percent margin.
Pennsylvania 11: Challenger Lou BarlettaÂ’s 93 percent name recognition is very similar to Rep. Paul KanjorskiÂ’s 96 percent, and Barletta holds a 52 to 41 percent lead on the ballot.
Pennsylvania 12: Challenger Tim BurnsÂ’s 84 percent name recognition is almost identical to Rep. Mark CritzÂ’s 82 percent, and Burns leads on the ballot by a slim 44 to 40 percent margin.
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I'm praying the vote follows the poll.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 17, 2010 07:33 AM (7+pP9)
Ace, besides an official drink, Valu Rite, what have us guys endorsed?
Posted by: Kemp at August 17, 2010 11:31 AM (vSiVD)
Don't tell me you forgot about the pudding?
Posted by: 141 Driver at August 17, 2010 07:34 AM (DXa7u)
Posted by: joncelli at August 17, 2010 07:34 AM (RD7QR)
Just 'cause they voted for the child-god once, they must continue to support them or their racism will return.
Posted by: jimmuy at August 17, 2010 07:35 AM (jXG2x)
Pennsylvania residents might want to consider throwing out another democrat creep when the opportunity arrives.
Senator Robert Casey (D., Pa.) and Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) are pushing legislation that would commit taxpayersÂ’ dollars to bailing out the TeamstersÂ’ retirement pension fund.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 17, 2010 07:35 AM (0fzsA)
"this is a PPP poll and they are the new official polling outfit for Kos, so you know"
I onder if Marky gave them the same guidance as he did R2K.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 17, 2010 07:35 AM (fLHQe)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at August 17, 2010 07:36 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: eman at August 17, 2010 07:36 AM (Nw/hR)
Posted by: Kemp at August 17, 2010 11:31 AM
Kittehs.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2010 07:37 AM (Ulu3i)
Also, I think the vote will be closer than people think
I do belive Toomey will win, but it will probably be 52-48 or somewhere there abouts.
PA is still a union state for the most part and has a declining population. Many of the people inclined to vote republican are the same people that are willing to move to another state in search of a job. So the best chance the republicans have of winning Pennsylvania is by depressing Democratic turnout in conjunction with increasing Republican turnout.
The states registration is heavily favored for Democrat, however there is a caveat. Many democrats here are democrats out of tradition. Many of them are what you might call JFK democrats. Extremely patriotic, pro gun, pro huntin and pro life. That is why the democrats from PA tend to be "conservative" on social issues. Even Jack Murtha was endorsed by the NRA and other "conservative" groups.
It is fiscal conservatism that is a harder sell to PA democrats. That explains how Rick Santorum won. He was more of a social conservative than fiscal conservative.
Pat Toomey is the opposite. He doesn't care much about social issues, he is totally commited to fiscal conservatism. If he wins it will be a big victory for us in the Senate. To get another fiscal con in a state that doesn't normally elect them is a big get.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:37 AM (wuv1c)
I recall driving through the burbs around West Chester, PA.in Oct 2008, stunned by all the 0bama/Biden signs. This area was formerly a Republican stronghold. Not bitter clingers, but professionals - white collar peeps who tend to fiscal conservatism and strong national defense. They thought they were voting for the great Uniter, Professor Posts-Partisan and Racial. Instead, they were hoodwinked and bamboozled.
They must not be happy with how his azz taste.
Posted by: kallisto at August 17, 2010 07:37 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 17, 2010 07:39 AM (AZGON)
Lemonkitten, Bob Casey jr is in the senate for life now. His father was a popular governor and that name is enough to keep him there for life.
Ed Anger,
PA-3 and PA-10 are going to go Republican.
PA-4 where I live is about +8 R, but we have a Democrat Rep who i think will lose. He was given permission to vote against healthcare by Pelosi, but i don't think people here are fooled.
PA-11 is a toss up, Kanjorski always finds a way to survive, but he might not this year
PA-12 is a lost cause, if we couldn't win the special election there, we never will
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:41 AM (wuv1c)
They must not be happy with how his azz taste
the majority of americans who voted for Obama in 2008 but voted Bush in 2004 were misguided. I honestly believe that they thought Obama was going to be a pragmatist and not an ideologue. I don't blame them entirely. A lot of people aren't politically involved other than occasionally watching the news, and think of how biased the news was in 2008.
Also, lets not forget how bad Bush was in his last two years, the surge aside, he was god awful. He started to walk back on many of the things that made him popular, and then their is the economic meltdown.
It was a perfect storm of events that turned Republican leaning independents into the arms of the black slate that was Obama.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:43 AM (wuv1c)
But Intrade has Sestak up by 20%!!!!!!!
Bring on the polls for the state races too. I'm an equal-opportunity annoyer.
Posted by: In before the troll at August 17, 2010 07:44 AM (P9+0W)
It likely won't matter in 2 years. Everything I've heard says that, if Pennsylvania loses any districts, PA-12 is on the chopping block because the only reason it still existed to this point was Murtha.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 17, 2010 07:45 AM (wDKwf)
The ladies have endorsed stompy boots. We men endorse the lamentation of our enemies' women, especially in Pennsylvania.
Don't forget boobies. And God's own food: bacon.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 17, 2010 07:46 AM (P9+0W)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2010 07:47 AM (0GFWk)
Bigger gains for the Dems and Moon Pies in every pot
(or was that pot in every Moon Pie?)
Posted by: la Cucaracha at August 17, 2010 07:47 AM (j5CHE)
I honestly believe that they thought Obama was going to be a pragmatist and not an ideologue.
Yes, just after the election, when I finally lost that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, I spoke to a couple friends about the future. One was a diehard Republican and the other a Libertarian. Both had voted for McCain, but were convinced that Obama understood that he'd have to govern from the center.
PUNKD
Posted by: kallisto at August 17, 2010 07:49 AM (+FkcS)
It likely won't matter in 2 years. Everything I've heard says that, if Pennsylvania loses any districts, PA-12 is on the chopping block because the only reason it still existed to this point was Murtha.
ehh. we'll see. Pennsylvania has one of the largest state legislatures in America. Far more than our state population requires. As i said we are a union state (read:graft, deals and corruption)
If the Republicans win the State legislature, which is possible, then you might be right, however if the dems win, then you will likely see trade offs between democrats and republicans.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:50 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 17, 2010 07:52 AM (SB0V2)
If the Republicans win the State legislature, which is possible, then you might be right, however if the dems win, then you will likely see trade offs between democrats and republicans.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 11:50 AM (wuv1c)
Because of the census PA will lose one House member. It's about 99% sure it will be PA-12. How what's left is redrawn is the question.Posted by: Ed Anger at August 17, 2010 07:55 AM (7+pP9)
It's your solemn duty to vote, if in doubt vote all Dems out.
Posted by: bill-tb at August 17, 2010 07:56 AM (y+QfZ)
If the Republicans win the State legislature, which is possible, then you might be right, however if the dems win, then you will likely see trade offs between democrats and republicans.
Does the governor play any role in redistricting - cause it looks like the R is gonna win that race too?
The redistricting of Pennsylvania's 19 congressional districts is done as a regular bill with approval needed by both chambers and the governor. Appeals are handled through the federal courts. Pennsylvania is expected to lose one congressional seat due to population gains in other states.
and as was pointed out, the PA 12 is in the cross hairs.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 07:56 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: someone at August 17, 2010 07:57 AM (DfAwB)
Because of the census PA will lose one House member. It's about 99% sure it will be PA-12. How what's left is redrawn is the question.
yeah. that's the issue. in all likelihood, PA 12 will be carved up to ensure that one Republican district become permanently red, probably my PA 4, and one democratic district becomes permanently blue.
the problem is that most of the surrounding area is Red, PA 14 is the only one in the area that is solid blue (it includes pittsburgh.)
We'll see what happens.
Posted by: Ben at August 17, 2010 08:00 AM (wuv1c)
Not to worry - Bloomberg is here today stumping for Sestak!
all will be well
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 17, 2010 11:52 AM (SB0V2)
The great thing about the mosque (and this is what's driving the Democrats crazy) is it isn't going away. Arizona and Prop. 8 are ancient history but even after September 11th the mosque will be the big question up until election day.Posted by: Ed Anger at August 17, 2010 08:02 AM (7+pP9)
They complained that Toomey had worked on Wall Street before going into politics, selling those EVIL derivatives. GASP !!
Posted by: Neo at August 17, 2010 08:05 AM (tE8FB)
Arkansas
Indiana
North Dakota
Delaware
Pennsylvania
now...anyone want to still keep arguing theres "no way" we hit 5 more?
Posted by: CAC at August 17, 2010 08:06 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: blaster at August 17, 2010 08:06 AM (aEyru)
Maybe, just maybe, some of those union Dems out in the PA hinterlands realize that the Dems are crushing the energy industry. Or, mayebe they are getting used to the unemployment checks.
I live in Philly, there's no hope at all that Rep. Brady will lose my district. But I will plow through a gauntlet of New Black Panthers to vote against him and all the other Dems.
Posted by: Luca Brasi at August 17, 2010 08:09 AM (YmPwQ)
My dad's from there. He was like Levi Johnston with a bad perm when I met him in the 80s. The community is probably not unlike Shaker Heights or Grosse Point. Spoiled kids on drugs. There was nothing idealistic about 2008.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 17, 2010 08:13 AM (mHQ7T)
1) PPP has shifted from sampling registered voters to a likely voter model
2) And - [PPP's] release spends a paragraph trying to explain that they think their sample was too conservative.
LINK
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Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 08:21 AM (kq1lG)
he and his cohorts are welcome to try, then it becomes a new ball game and makes our dissidence towards him and his a moral imperative.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 08:22 AM (kq1lG)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at August 17, 2010 08:25 AM (YmPwQ)
much of Pa is bitter clinger central ... many of my neighbors in ruralish Pa see the NYC Mosque as a provication and Obama's support will only crater his numbers further ...
many of the 30-40 ish ablebodied males around my town are members of the local volunteer fire departments ... they consider going to NYC to Ground Zero almost a pillgrimage to sacred ground. Every firehouse I have visited for town meeting, fairs and flea markets have multiple signs that state "Never Forget, Never Forgive" ...
All I know is if that Mosque does get built (by Union workers ???) I would not expect an "agressive" response to any fire alarms in that building ...
Posted by: Jeff at August 17, 2010 08:38 AM (A3tpD)
From your lips to God's ear.
I was just thinking about it, and being from Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia, I do not remeber see one sign for Sestak.
Aaaannnnddddd.....
Could someone explain to me how a solid military guy like Sestak end's up a barking mad reactionary leftist?
Posted by: Lazarus Long at August 17, 2010 08:39 AM (8edQv)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 17, 2010 08:48 AM (kq1lG)
I'd like to know how many of Coatesville's Obummer voters are disappointed. Somehow, the city is still a shit hole even though their guy won.
Posted by: Tim at August 17, 2010 08:49 AM (xq7pr)
Yeah, and what might have something to do with it, too, was when, at a recent press conference, Bill Clinton denied that he had made a phone call to Joe Sestak to offer Sestack a job on behalf of the Obama Administration.
Bill is probably lying. But whether he is or isn't, what that event and other events show is that Bill and Hillary are now distancing themselves from that trainwreck, too. All of the rats with an instinct for survival are leaving the sinking ship.
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All along, I've felt that if average American voters, those who don't really pay attention to what's happening in the scummy world of politics, pay attention to what's happening, the Dems will go down to epic defeat and Osama Obama might as well barricade himself in the White House while awaiting impeachment.
Maybe the people are waking up at last.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2010 07:28 AM (Ulu3i)