December 21, 2010

Top Headline Comments 12-21-10
— Gabriel Malor

This is an outrage! You are a disgrace to your Phylum, Order, Class, Genus and Spe- You, sir, are an ASS!

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 03:21 AM | Comments (194)
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1 First?

Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 03:23 AM (5qJM5)

2 New thread, right here -- step right up, Morons and Moronettes!!!

Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 03:23 AM (5qJM5)

3 'Volt's Mileage Claims in Doubt'  -- WOW...didn't see THAT one coming!!!!11eleventy!!!

Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 03:24 AM (5qJM5)

4 Good morning to Katie Couric's inner thighs.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 21, 2010 03:26 AM (HaYO4)

5 Kim Philby cried out for gay sex

Posted by: Piso Mojado at December 21, 2010 03:27 AM (le5qc)

6 'Unavoidable Commercial Stirs Big Buzz'...The 'Hyundai Couple' AKA Pomplamoose...I don't hate it, I don't like it; she's kind of cute...the videos are kind of annoying...so's the dude.  I rate it a meh.

Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 03:27 AM (5qJM5)

7 Headlines, not much going on other than awaiting word on START which Harry still doesn't have the votes yet. If Fox is right, he is one RINO short.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 03:28 AM (e4sSD)

8 4 Good morning to Katie Couric's inner thighs.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 21, 2010 07:26 AM (HaYO4)

Is THAT what they meant by wider role?



Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 03:28 AM (5qJM5)

9 Good morning to Katie Couric's inner thighs.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 21, 2010 07:26 AM

Like a screen door in a hurricane.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 21, 2010 03:33 AM (yQWNf)

10

"Is THAT what they meant by wider role?"

Probably.  Beware Chilean miners and Baby Jessica.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 21, 2010 03:35 AM (HaYO4)

11 John Bolton:  “Ann Wagner is exactly what our National Republican Party needs to win in 2012. Wagner is a tough, no-nonsense conservative leader with the highest integrity, and has a long track record of raising money and winning elections. SheÂ’s also a terrific communicator who understands the role of chairman is to get the fundamentals right, but has the skills and gravitas to go head to head with Tim Kaine and the Democrats when needed.”   Wagner is a former Missouri committeewoman and ambassador to Luxembourg during the George W. Bush administration. Others running for RNC chairman include current chairman Michael Steele, former Michigan GOP chairman Saul Anuzis, former Bush administration official Maria Cino, Wisconsin GOP chairman Reince Priebus and former RNC political director Gentry Collins.

Alex Pappas, Daily Caller

The RNC would do well to entrust leadership to an extremely competent and effective person.

Naturally, considering his own potus bid, Bolton would nominate someone on his team. Need one ask if Ms. Wagner is pro more big government big spending having come through the GWB administration?  Her disdain towards the Tea Party?

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 03:37 AM (H+LJc)

12 he is one RINO short.

...the ones that come to mind are short.

Name a lanky RINO.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 03:41 AM (H+LJc)

13 Couric, Assange, and deserve

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 03:47 AM (H+LJc)

14

More Wiki fallout

From the thinker, Wikileaks cables show that Obama caved on the European Missile Defense to appease the Russians.

Gee, who'd a-thunk it?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 03:49 AM (e4sSD)

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 03:50 AM (H+LJc)

16 Some people just never GO AWAY....

From The Blaze:

GREEN MAKE BELIEVE: Van Jones Admits Left is “PRETENDING” Need for Regulations in Green Movement

http://tinyurl.com/22krmuw


Posted by: Tami at December 21, 2010 03:50 AM (VuLos)

17 Yeah, Vic, if only someone had written about that before...

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 21, 2010 03:51 AM (XVaFd)

18 Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

Posted by: Nina Totenberg at December 21, 2010 03:52 AM (le5qc)

19

Wow, poetry hurts.

justice

Uh huh. That bitch be crazy! She tried to pull an Angela Bassett in Waiting to Exhale.

Morning! Was anyone able to see the eclipse last night?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 03:54 AM (pLTLS)

20 Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 07:54 AM (pLTLS)

I need my sleep more than that.

Morning, all.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 21, 2010 03:56 AM (KxyHe)

21 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 21, 2010 07:51 AM (XVaFd)

LOL, I forgot about that. And now we are supposed to ratify Start with these people.

My take on Start is this; if it is so damn good why are they trying to push it through now in a RINO filled Lame *uck session?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 03:57 AM (e4sSD)

22 What could Katie Couric possibly do to top broadcasting her colonoscopy? Why, give birth in a traditional manner practiced by womyn for centuries! You go, girl!

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 03:58 AM (yRrAd)

23 Morning all!  It's the time of year where everyone's met their deductible and wants their elective valve surgery so they can recover when they'd normally be off anyways for Christmas.  Oh, and Holiday stress always brings in some urgent bypass grafts.  Off to work I go!

Posted by: runningrn at December 21, 2010 04:03 AM (ihSHD)

24 19
Morning! Was anyone able to see the eclipse last night?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 07:54 AM (pLTLS)

I saw it and it was great! Took some photos, too, but they're analog and require developing.

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 04:06 AM (yRrAd)

25 Expand Katie's role?  Oh, hell yes.  We'll call her new morning show, "The Daily Grind."

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2010 04:09 AM (GwPRU)

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 04:11 AM (H+LJc)

27 1. Cripple a "high carbon footprint" business sector that employs 1,000,000 and subsidize a "green" business sector that employs 10,000.
2. ???
3. Environmental justice!

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 04:12 AM (yRrAd)

28

Off to work I go!

Well good on them. I'd take advantage of it too. Get the decent medical care while we still have it.

My premiums went up nearly 40% for next year.

Ratfuc....eh, I won't finish that.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 04:13 AM (pLTLS)

29 From the thinker, Wikileaks cables show that Obama caved on the European Missile Defense to appease the Russians. What, like that was a secret?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 04:13 AM (ps5En)

30

Kingdom,Phylum,Class,Order,Family,Genus,Species.

Posted by: Mackey at December 21, 2010 04:15 AM (i0ibZ)

31 22 What could Katie Couric possibly do to top broadcasting her colonoscopy? Why, give birth in a traditional manner practiced by womyn for centuries! You go, girl! Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 07:58 AM (yRrAd) You have just volunteered yourself for impregnation duty.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 04:15 AM (ps5En)

32 32
You have just volunteered yourself for impregnation duty.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 08:15 AM (ps5En)

Um ... pass!

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 04:18 AM (yRrAd)

33 #23  It's the time of year where everyone's met their deductible and wants their elective valve surgery so they can recover when they'd normally be off anyways for Christmas

Better do it now before Obamacare is jammed upon us in full.

I've become a proponent of self-healing.  And I'm learning from the master, John Rambo.

Lesson 1:  How to Heal a Shrapnel Wound, by John Rambo.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 04:20 AM (9hSKh)

34

So Net Neutrality....

I would assume that if they're only proposed rules they have to go through proper administrative procedure and be subject to comment (ie, a waiting period) before they can become final regulations.

But as this Congress clearly has no regard for the spirit or the rule of law I'm sure they're bypassing this altogether.

Anyone know how this works?

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 04:22 AM (pLTLS)

35 Don Imus, that senile old fool with a radio show, had floppy-tits McCain on this morning. I caught about 45 seconds of her blather, and guess what? She is at least as stupid live as she is when she writes! Amazing!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 04:23 AM (LH6ir)

36

"Management: Enemy of Enterprise"

Mises Daily: Monday, December 20, 2010 by Doug French

Rework • By Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson • Random House, 2010 • 288 pages

I don't go seeking out management books. But two of the founders of 37signals, a company that is now a software firm after beginning in 1999 as a web-design company, wrote a book called Rework as a byproduct of other work they were doing. However, this is the future, whether you're building a business or just managing your own life and career.



Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 04:23 AM (H+LJc)

37 Wider role, ha.

I like that, you know I am easily amused.

Posted by: sTevo at December 21, 2010 04:23 AM (FpDTe)

38 #32  You have just volunteered yourself for impregnation duty.

ya2daup, nobody would fault you if you elected to geld yourself before you were forced to undertake such a grim deed.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 04:23 AM (9hSKh)

39 glad to see Christie pardoned the guy with the guns locked up, unloaded in his car. what a travesty of justice that entire case was.

Posted by: hobbes at December 21, 2010 04:29 AM (pKblZ)

40 Posted by: billygoat at December 21, 2010 07:24 AM (5qJM5)

For a good take on the scam that is green vehicle mileage numbers, take a look at this article in Forbes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 04:29 AM (LH6ir)

41 Kratos eeww.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2010 04:29 AM (PaSAU)

42

But as this Congress clearly has no regard for the spirit or the rule of law I'm sure they're bypassing this altogether. Anyone know how this works?

Government to Control the 'Net – Good Luck With That! 

"Conclusion: Millions and billions of words will be written about the coming government (power elite) control of the Internet; how bad it will be; how much worse it could be than it is. Plenty of business models will be floated. Much hair will be pulled out. Clothes will be rent, metaphorically anyway. But in the end, it likely will not matter much. Instinctively, humans will expand the Internet because they must. The government will do this. But others will do THAT. It is not going to be easily or neatly controllable. It is not going to be conveniently regulated. It is not going to be turned off by a switch installed at the White House. It is going to cause fundamental change. It already has."


Maybe so. But it's too easy to gloss over abusive prosecutions that inevitably accompany government take-overs, particularly the removal of 1st Amendment meaning in life's free speech expressions. Remaining aloof is a smart-ass thing to "do", nothing during Kristallnacht. imo

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 04:35 AM (H+LJc)

43 Anyone know how this works?

Normally if they do it like the agencies I am familiar with the would first propose a rule or an all encompassing regulation.

They would send that out for public comment beginning with publishing it in the federal register. Impacted companies and organizations would be give some set time frame to make comments.

After the comment period is over the rule would be modified as desired from the comments. And a proposed "final rule is published". More comments are given but almost never are any further changes made at the final rule stage.

After a period of time the final rule is made actual law and people are expected to adhere to it.

All of that is well and good, but this ruling they are voting on today has already been done once. Both congress and the court struck it down.

Reading the news articles there is little info there. I do know that they had an extended comment period at the beginning of the year. So what we are looking at here is most likely at the "final rule stage".

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 04:37 AM (e4sSD)

44 Omigod the paean to dear departing (and probably soon to be "departed") EX-Senator Specter was full of sweet, juicy, SWEET (!!!) tearfulness! http://tinyurl.com/27wcbpe I was surprised by the comments. The comments section of Philly.com is pretty liberal-leaning. Lots of "good riddance!" in there

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2010 04:38 AM (SB0V2)

45 Moody's finally confirmed what we already know - Europe is boned.

Euro pares gains as Moody's puts Portugal on review

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 04:39 AM (9hSKh)

46 Posted by: hobbes at December 21, 2010 08:29 AM (pKblZ)

He didn't pardon him, he commuted his sentence. So the guy is still a convicted felon -- just not in jail.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 04:39 AM (LH6ir)

47 Obama's Problem as 'The Smartest Person in the Room'  Over at AT.

I am reading "What Got You Here Won't Get You There" by Marshall Goldsmith. Part of the job group enlightenment.

Really bad habit #6 is telling the world how smart we are.

I don't think commander fu|<k stick has this problem at all.

Posted by: sTevo at December 21, 2010 04:40 AM (FpDTe)

48 42 Kratos eeww.

At least now you know how to seal a shrapnel wound by yourself if the need ever arises,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 04:41 AM (9hSKh)

49 It looks like Katie is going to make a turd for the punch bowl.

Posted by: TC at December 21, 2010 04:43 AM (DYJjQ)

50 Posted by: TC at December 21, 2010 08:43 AM (DYJjQ)

Women her age can be stunning and sexy -- but not if they try to act like they are 20 instead of 50+.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 04:46 AM (LH6ir)

51 ya2daup, nobody would fault you if you elected to geld yourself before you were forced to undertake such a grim deed. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 08:23 AM (9hSKh) Dude...just... dude...!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 04:46 AM (ps5En)

52 I fully expect the major service providers to sue immediately on issuing the final rule. They will most likely seek injunctive relief based on the previous court ruling. I fully expect the court to give it to them as well.

What I would love to see, but most likely will not is for the court to hold the commissioners pushing this in contempt for ignoring the previous court order and send them to jail.

I also expect the Republican House to have a say on this next year.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 04:47 AM (e4sSD)

53 @47 well fuck....so now the guy is denied his 2nd amendment rights for exercising his 2nd amendment rights. hopefully a pardon will come later.

Posted by: hobbes at December 21, 2010 04:48 AM (pKblZ)

54 Katie looks like she has a very wide stance. Do you think she is demonstrating her previously not recognized firm groin "area"... i think this picture was taken before the golf balls shot out. She can use that thing like a bazooka. Go Katie, Go Katie!

Posted by: ford the IINO. Independent in name only at December 21, 2010 04:51 AM (Ki7fm)

55

So what we are looking at here is most likely at the "final rule stage".

Yup. You summarized perfectly how the 'normal' process is done. But from what I've read the final rules will most likely look very different from the proposed rule. Apparently the Chairman is supposed to circulate the final regs to the other Commissioners three weeks before the final vote, but that didn't happen here.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 04:52 AM (pLTLS)

56 Is anyone else getting weird audio from this page? There is something running in the background that is screwing with my computer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 04:52 AM (LH6ir)

57 It sounds like his lawyers requested the commutation so that they could still proceed with an appeal of the conviction.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 04:58 AM (yY28H)

58 From the thinker, Wikileaks cables show that Obama caved on the European Missile Defense to appease the Russians.

Gee, who'd a-thunk it?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 07:49 AM (e4sSD)

 

Neville Obama: We have peace in our time

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 21, 2010 05:01 AM (1Jaio)

59 can the congress defund the FCC?

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 05:03 AM (wuv1c)

60 Also, does anyone know if a treaty has ever been approved by lame duck congress in US history?

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 05:04 AM (wuv1c)

61

" Is anyone else getting weird audio from this page? "

It's not Eddie Murphy's "Party All the Time" is it?  That song always creeps out of nowhere.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 21, 2010 05:04 AM (HaYO4)

62

Some Girls Fill Out Clothes Pretty Keen...wonder if they still let biology teachers use this mnemonic.

And last night's bout with explosive diarrhea did give me a chance to watch the lunar eclipse.  Stupid Wendy's double stacks.  

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 21, 2010 05:06 AM (3iMgs)

63 Also, does anyone know if a treaty has ever been approved by lame duck congress in US history? Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 09:04 AM (wuv1c) NO one has not

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 21, 2010 05:06 AM (0GFWk)

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 21, 2010 05:07 AM (BSeGu)

65

My premiums went up nearly 40% for next year.

Posted by: laceyunderalls
----------------

Obamacare is going to fix that!
Oh. wait..

Posted by: Chitown Jerry at December 21, 2010 05:08 AM (Do528)

66 For a good take on the scam that is green vehicle mileage numbers, take a look at this article in Forbes.

I believe you. I read the article in Forbes.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 21, 2010 05:11 AM (BSeGu)

67

My premiums went up nearly 40% for next year.

Posted by: laceyunderalls

Yeah, my mothers went up about 9% or so.

Thanks Obama care

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 05:15 AM (wuv1c)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 21, 2010 05:16 AM (4ucxv)

69 Did anyone watch the Lunar eclipse of the heart last night?

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 05:18 AM (wuv1c)

70 Most radical Attorney General evah calls Americans "radicals to be feared".

Most radical Potus evah agrees.

Most radically incompetent authoritarian radicalizes the radically created DHS ...

radical? Tea Party citizens demand that government enforce current constitutional law.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:19 AM (H+LJc)

71 Coffee break is over, back to work.

MM, I recommended Rework for our next bookclub read, Thanx.

Posted by: sTevo at December 21, 2010 05:20 AM (FpDTe)

72 You are a disgrace to your Phylum, Order, Class, Genus and Spe- You, sir, are an ASS!

Kathy
Put
Catsup
On
Father's
Good
Shoes


Good morning, morons!  We have 8-12" of snow (hard to tell with the drifts) and are discovering the joys of living in a house with a steep metal roof.  Frequent rumblings as the snowvalanches slide off the roof. 

Collie loves the snow, but it's up to her chin in some places.  We've been thinking of getting a second dog... starting to think the Borzoi might be the wise way to go. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:21 AM (IDL9N)

73 Christopher Chantrill: "If you hire American laborers, they might want to work as formal employees."

Nothing like someone who's never worked as contract laborer himself preach to the choir of American citizens who have.


Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:22 AM (H+LJc)

74 sTevo, this caught my eye:

Blood Money: The Civil War and the Federal Reserve
By John Remington Graham

...sounds about right.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:24 AM (H+LJc)

75 We have 8-12" of snow (hard to tell with the drifts) and are discovering the joys of living in a house with a steep metal roof.

LOL, there is a reason for those steep metal roofs and you are seeing it.  Sometime when you have nothing else to do look at the architectural differences between homes in the NE and the South, particularly the older homes that were built before air conditioning was prevalent.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 05:24 AM (e4sSD)

76 58 It sounds like his lawyers requested the commutation so that they could still proceed with an appeal of the conviction.
Posted by: Alex

Do you have a source for that?  I keep reading these attacks on Christie for not pardoning, but have read this theory/explanation various places but none of them quoting the guy's lawyers. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:27 AM (IDL9N)

77 23 Morning all!  It's the time of year where everyone's met their deductible and wants their elective valve surgery so they can recover when they'd normally be off anyways for Christmas. True that. I've been cramming in all the medical care I've been putting off all year before my deductible resets. I also know people who are buying boatloads of OTC allergy meds and stuff like Advil because you can't use your HSA dollars for those as of Jan 1 2011.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 05:27 AM (ps5En)

78

Morning, all!

You know, the more I read about Julian Assmunch, the more I realize that not only is he a pompous prick, but he's also the world's biggest crybaby.  I've known toddlers who have better emotional control than him.  It's no wonder he sees conspiracies everywhere, since he apparently thinks the entire world is out to get him (which is actually probably correct at this point).

(The link goes to News.com.au).

Posted by: MWR at December 21, 2010 05:28 AM (4df7R)

79 Wow, did AG Eric "I'm in denial" Holder actually concede that these homegrown terrorists are al Qaeda converts? 

 


Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2010 05:29 AM (GwPRU)

80 Sometime when you have nothing else to do look at the architectural differences between homes in the NE and the South, particularly the older homes that were built before air conditioning was prevalent

Yeah, it is interesting.  In California, the breakers are outside... which I find bizarre (and unsafe).  In Houston, people watered their foundations (something to do with settling).  Here there are a lot of steep roofs. 

When we lived in Indiana we had a house with a low pitch roof and a couple of flat roof sections.  Looked cool (kind of Prairie style) but a real bitch when it snowed.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:29 AM (IDL9N)

81 we hire temporary employees.....the newest one has been there a year and 4 months.....the oldest is going on his 5th year....but he is a mexican with permanant residency so not an American...but born on the 4th of July.......i'm sure, actually positive, all 9 want to be "formal" employees but that doesn't mesh with what our co. wants to do....and none of them make the effort to look for another job even though we encourage them to and we would write raving reviews for them....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 21, 2010 05:30 AM (eOXTH)

82 The FCC's regulation of the Net is all about closing down sites like this: protecting everyone from Reichwing hate speech.

Let me translate that to English for you: the Left cannot stand real debate; their ideas make no sense when examined closely. The Left's only hope is to strangle off debate - shout people down; take up all the time in public discourse, run out the clock, don't let ideas that make sense be heard; shut down talk radio, close down Fox News, strangle the Internet.

That is what Political Correctness is really all about; silencing the opposition. Everything the left says it fears about the right is projection of their own evil onto those who oppose them. Censorship always comes from the left - it is a necessary part of their ideology; why do the remaining Communist countries all censor the internet? They have to; lies examined are lies exposed.

Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 05:30 AM (ylhEn)

83

know people who are buying boatloads of OTC allergy meds and stuff like Advil because you can't use your HSA dollars for those as of Jan 1 2011.

Yup.

I used my HSA card at the drug store (luckily) for about seven bucks and change a few months back. But inadvertenly. I bought a gift bag and card and wasn't paying attention. It's not like I bought anything that could obviously be claimed.

I'll probably get audited for that seven bucks even though the purchase came from a drug store. An audit by an IRS agent now trained in handling a semi-automatic weapon.

Fun times we're living in.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 05:30 AM (pLTLS)

84 Apparently the Chairman is supposed to circulate the final regs to the other Commissioners three weeks before the final vote, but that didn't happen here.

Lacey, circulation of regulations prior to vote is no longer deemed "relevant" -- nothing to circulate prior to a vote than thin, hot air, having not been written, perhaps replete with [fill in the blank] if even that in print.

/Yes, morons, that's sarcasm stemming from Obama's unprecedented audacity of "radical" reality.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:32 AM (H+LJc)

85

Also, to all the Morons and Moronettes out towards the left coast, don't float away!  And if your precip is snow, just remember -- Val-U-Rite only makes you THINK you're warm.  For the full benefit, you've got to bite the bullet and buy the good stuff (and a mountain of blankets). 

Stay warm and stay safe!

Posted by: MWR at December 21, 2010 05:33 AM (4df7R)

86 True that. I've been cramming in all the medical care I've been putting off all year before my deductible resets.

Good luck with that. My wife is a cancer survivor, I am a heart attack survivor and we have fairly high medical bills. And yet because of the high carve out on medical passed during the Clinton years when he had a commie congress I still have not been able to do anything other than the standard deduction.  That is even with doing the old double up on taxes trick.

And what is even worse, in 2011 that carve out increases dramatically. It almost as if they knew everyone's insurance rates were going up. That also shows that Dems were never really in favor of people getting medical care. What they wanted is government ownership of medical care and that is where we are ultimately headed.

And yes my insurance premiums went up dramatically for next year and my benefits went down significantly.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 05:33 AM (e4sSD)

87
Do you have a source for that?  I keep reading these attacks on Christie for not pardoning, but have read this theory/explanation various places but none of them quoting the guy's lawyers.

Not off hand.  I seem to recall someone posting an article about it last night, but I could be repeating hearsay and speculation.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 05:33 AM (yY28H)

88 Green Bullets.

What do y'all think?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 21, 2010 05:34 AM (4ucxv)

89

why do the remaining Communist countries all censor the internet?

To protect people and make them safe.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 21, 2010 05:36 AM (BSeGu)

90

Why is it that all the articles sympathetic to Brian Aitkin don't mention that he was carrying hollowpoint bullets, too?

Seriously, I don't know what to think because I have read that in at least one article, but not in a bunch of others.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 05:36 AM (XdlcF)

91 What do y'all think?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 21, 2010 09:34 AM (4ucxv)

Like all green shit it is bull shit. How can lead "pollute" the soil? It came from the soil to begin with.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 05:37 AM (e4sSD)

92 @88
Thanks.  I'll see if I can find a source.  I'm mildly irritated by the quick jump to criticism of Christie for what looks like a good move on his part. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:37 AM (IDL9N)

93

Green Bullets.

What do y'all think?

Green is the color of Islam, right? I'm all for them.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 21, 2010 05:37 AM (BSeGu)

94

Here's the official commutation order for Mr. Aitken.

Posted by: MWR at December 21, 2010 05:38 AM (4df7R)

95 Green Bullets.

What do y'all think?

If they are as or more effective, great.  The Army Times had an article on this a few months back, and the driving force behind this is not enviro-lunacy, but money and training time.  Supposedly, it costs the Army millions in money and lost training time to clean up the older, heavily used ranges, and guard and reserve units are running into problems with using local ranges, due to fears by the local community about the water tables.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 05:39 AM (yY28H)

96
If they are as or more effective, great.  The Army Times had an article on this a few months back, and the driving force behind this is not enviro-lunacy, but money and training time.

yet

Supposedly, it costs the Army millions in money and lost training time to clean up the older, heavily used ranges, and guard and reserve units are running into problems with using local ranges, due to fears by the local community about the water tables.

So it is environmental lunacy.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 05:40 AM (e4sSD)

97 And here's an article from the Examiner.com with a little background on the Aitken case.  That judge sounds like an absolute ass.

Posted by: MWR at December 21, 2010 05:41 AM (4df7R)

98 That judge sounds like an absolute ass.

Keep in mind that the judge in question is the same one that Christie refused to re-appoint this year. He is a massive liberal asshole.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 05:42 AM (e4sSD)

99

Let me translate that to English for you: the Left cannot stand real debate; their ideas make no sense when examined closely

While I agree with this overall point, I don't subsribe to the 'they want to shut everything down!!!!eleventy11!!! hype. At least not with these regs (although we have no idea what the final regs will say). That may be their ultimate goal (and I'm betting it already is) but it ain't happening overnight.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 21, 2010 05:42 AM (pLTLS)

100 @91
Seriously, I don't know what to think because I have read that in at least one article, but not in a bunch of others

Well, that's the first I saw that.  Thx.

I suspect there is a back-story about this guy.  I mean, there's got to be some reason his mom called the cops on him (or about him).  And the timing seems very odd - was he en route from one state to the other or had he already relocated a few weeks earlier? 

In any event, I think Christie did the right thing by just commuting the sentence based on what I know now.  The judge was fired (by Christie) over some other bad rulings, but I suspect it will be easy to overturn the conviction if the story is not too different from the one the gun guy's lawyers are putting out there. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:42 AM (IDL9N)

101 are we supposed to believe the army would be spending the time in cleaning up ranges on training instead? and wouldn't they be using people in the army to clean up the ranges? if they are spending millions on outside contractors, maybe they should use the personnel on hand to do the work...they are all ready getting paid.....it's good hands on training for when they get out or at the very least productive busy work......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 21, 2010 05:44 AM (eOXTH)

102 Like all green shit it is bull shit. How can lead "pollute" the soil? It came from the soil to begin with.

It becomes a problem when you start finding concentrations far above what is normal.  Like, 10-100x the safe levels.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 05:46 AM (yY28H)

103 @98 And here's an article from the Examiner.com

That article has a bit of a bias, I think.

I'd still like to understand the timeline. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:47 AM (IDL9N)

104 89 Green Bullets.

What do y'all think?

IIRC, the Army began manufacturing "green" tungsten-based bullets in 1999 (or 2000).  There is a legitimate concern about lead bio-accumulation in ground water and such around local rifle-ranges. 

As long as the copper (or tungsten)-based bullets are more affordable and are as lethal (or even better, more lethal) as their lead counter-parts, I find no problem with this.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 05:47 AM (9hSKh)

105

Like all green shit it is bull shit. How can lead "pollute" the soil? It came from the soil to begin with.

Posted by: Vic
---------
"The soil".. The "soil" sitting above the aquafer that feeds your well (or your municipality's well) is quite a bit different than the soil out in some godforsaken part of New Mexico or where ever they mine lead.

Google "Rome lead drinking water" for some interesting articles on what happens when lead leaches into your drinking water.

Posted by: Chitown Jerry at December 21, 2010 05:48 AM (Do528)

106 are we supposed to believe the army would be spending the time in cleaning up ranges on training instead? and wouldn't they be using people in the army to clean up the ranges? if they are spending millions on outside contractors, maybe they should use the personnel on hand to do the work...they are all ready getting paid.....it's good hands on training for when they get out or at the very least productive busy work......

You have to shut down a range to clean it up, which means that you can't use it to train.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 05:49 AM (yY28H)

107 Thanks.  I'll see if I can find a source.  I'm mildly irritated by the quick jump to criticism of Christie for what looks like a good move on his part.

I recall reading about at (I think) Ed Driscol and Tigerhawk, if that helps.

Posted by: Retread at December 21, 2010 05:49 AM (hyWkl)

108
I also know people who are buying boatloads of OTC allergy meds and stuff like Advil because you can't use your HSA dollars for those as of Jan 1 2011.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 09:27 AM (ps5En)

Actually, you will be able to buy them. But only if you get a note from your doctor.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 21, 2010 05:50 AM (7+pP9)

109
So it is environmental lunacy.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 09:40 AM (e4sSD)

Lead concentrations are, IMHO, a legitimate environmental concern.  My point, however, was that this wasn't some higher up thinking "Hey!  Let's make the Army switch to 'green' ammunition to show that we care!"  There are legitimate reasons and benefits to switching to non lead ammunition.

Posted by: Alex at December 21, 2010 05:52 AM (yY28H)

110 And the timing seems very odd - was he en route from one state to the other or had he already relocated a few weeks earlier? 

He'd moved from out of state to living with his parents. Then he was supposedly moving in with a friend. He had a bunch of stuff in his car, so it looked like he was moving, the police saw the stuff, etc. But the judge didn't let him claim he was moving.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 05:52 AM (XdlcF)

111 89

If they'll go in tandem with pork-rockets, I'm all for 'em.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 21, 2010 05:52 AM (0aAJI)

112 >>I recall reading about at (I think) Ed Driscol and Tigerhawk, if that helps

Thx.

Maybe Volokh will have something.  I'm trying to find more background.  Just checked Daily Caller... no luck there.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:52 AM (IDL9N)

113 look at the architectural differences between homes in the NE and the South, particularly the older homes that were built before air conditioning was prevalent

In the Southwest, look again at what was affluent California. Recall the mudslides of entire neighborhoods built on valleys filled with powdered coastal soil that turns to sludge on its way to the sea. Heavy rains. Wishin' for an older home built prior to suburb blight? "Bad location," location, location.

Desert homes prior-WWII generally had a basement for pantry and summer relief from the beating sun, and often built of heavy adobe insulated, thick walls. Even the Craftsman bungalows with front porches were endurable with a swamp cooler or ceiling fan. Illegal aliens "own" the barrios now. 

Look at Phx today. Why don't people figure on the lack of water before deciding where to relocate? Couldn't be because they're not from a desert, but snowbirds without a clue. Fountain Hills foundations still rupturing with the loss of water table? Desert buildings burmed are most comfortable.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:55 AM (H+LJc)

114 On the subject of Katie Couric, I think it's hilarious.  CBS wants to cut her pay due to falling ratings, but expand her role.

This to me is a win on two fronts.  Buh bye, CBS.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 21, 2010 05:56 AM (0aAJI)

115 He'd moved from out of state to living with his parents. Then he was supposedly moving in with a friend.

OK, so perhaps that explains the three week time-frame I'd read about somewhere.  My initial impression was that he'd moved from one state to the next three weeks prior. 

I hate when a case becomes a cause celebre that we're all supposed to judge our politicians' actions over but that is so poorly reported. 

I mean, yeah, the judge sounds like he was horrible (got axed by christie for being lenient on what I gather was a guy buggering farm animals), but unless the guy's lawyers were complete incompetents there had to be something to the case that motivated the police to arrest and the prosecution to proceed and win. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:56 AM (IDL9N)

116

Like all green shit it is bull shit. How can lead "pollute" the soil? It came from the soil to begin with.

Posted by: Vic

Vic, wtf. location, location, location
Mining effects on poisoned water supplies.
Lead in agriculture soil.
Crude oil comes from the earth, cause it to erupt where you harvest sea life.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 05:59 AM (H+LJc)

117 In the Southwest, look again at what was affluent California. Recall the mudslides of entire neighborhoods built on valleys filled with powdered coastal soil that turns to sludge on its way to the sea.

Yeah.  I've been a little surprised to see new developments out here in Utah that are built on hillsides that don't look particularly stable.  Looking at the housing listings, I'm seeing a few that reference geological engineering reports (or something like that) and found at least one where the backyard has sunk.  So I think there are issues out here, but the builders are ignoring them.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 05:59 AM (IDL9N)

118

Maybe Volokh will have something.  I'm trying to find more background.  Just checked Daily Caller... no luck there.

Yeh, everyone is repeating the same few facts...and leaving out some.

I found a blog with knowledgeable people who still can't agree on what the law actually says about hollowpoint bullets! It may be that you can't use them but it is legal to carry them. I don't know, but hope the Gov. Christie will explain it with his usual clarity.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 06:00 AM (XdlcF)

119 There are legitimate reasons and benefits to switching to non lead ammunition.

Not knowing what, I'll ask the benefits.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 06:00 AM (H+LJc)

120 Y-not

Whatever else, DON'T buy split-level home in the Wasatch.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 06:01 AM (H+LJc)

121 Isn't today the day we begin the countdown to the end of the world?

jus' wonderin'.

Posted by: franksalterego at December 21, 2010 06:02 AM (+6fgE)

122 Vic #87 This isn't entirely Moron-like but you have my genuine sympathy. I pay through the nose for a high-deductible plan, and I'm relatively healthy. I can't imagine how expensive your coverage must be. God bless you and your wife, and Merry Christmas to you both. And yes - the Dems don't care about the people getting care, what they care about is grasping more power into their avaricious, rapacious claws.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 06:03 AM (ps5En)

123 You have to shut down a range to clean it up, which means that you can't use it to train.
Posted by: Alex

Private ranges stay clean and recycle shells all the time.

The Military knows all about rotation.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 06:04 AM (H+LJc)

124 I haven't read all the up-thread posts on this, but hollow points are "personal" ammo, meaning when they're shot into someone the stop inside that person (the bullet expands upon impact and lodges).  If you don't use hollow point the bullet goes through the first body and could go through a few more in the line of fire.

You're SUPPOSED to keep hollow points in your pistol when you carry.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at December 21, 2010 06:04 AM (jbCcb)

125

Fill 'em full of eco-friendly bio-based materials!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 21, 2010 06:06 AM (BSeGu)

126

That Katie Couric picture, for reasons unknown, made me think of that smelly West Virginia chick from a few weeks back.

 

I dunno, maybe it's me.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at December 21, 2010 06:06 AM (YmPwQ)

127 The last thing I need to see in the morning is Katie Couric's splayed, leathery thighs.

Posted by: nickless at December 21, 2010 06:06 AM (MMC8r)

128 I found a detailed article via Reason.

Unfortunately, most of the articles have a POV so it's a little unsettling.  It'd be nice to see one from a more dry, legal perspective. 

It does sort of sound like he used the extended move (and I know what they're about, having just done one myself) as an excuse for driving around with the guns.  Didn't he have a gun safe where he could store them instead of in his car? 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 06:07 AM (IDL9N)

129 I am glad that so many of our Morons trust the government "scientists" to tell you what lead concentration is "safe".

Perhaps that concern over DDT and AGW is not so bad after all.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 06:07 AM (e4sSD)

130 126

Fill 'em full of eco-friendly bio-based materials!

Like pig lard, .  That's eco-friendly, right?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 06:07 AM (9hSKh)

131 I'll be back to see where y'all have gone...but sun's been up for a while, and there's stuff to do. 

When I turn off all things not specifically Christmas, it starts to feel a little like Christmas.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 06:08 AM (H+LJc)

132 Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 09:36 AM (XdlcF)
Yeah, he had hollow points on him. In NJ that's a no no. Also, at least 1 of the magazines were the evil, "High Capacity, Kill Nuns and Orphans" style.

Here's the back story - http://tinyurl.com/24ofmbb

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at December 21, 2010 06:08 AM (NPZEl)

133 @DON'T buy split-level home in the Wasatch

Why those in particular? 

It seems as if the vast majority of homes here have walk-out basements, implying that they are almost always built on some sort of a slope.

I would be loathe to buy a house near the Point of the Mountain and some of the benches (I guess they're called) back up against national forest land... although it sure would be nice to be higher up. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 06:10 AM (IDL9N)

134 125 I haven't read all the up-thread posts on this, but hollow points are "personal" ammo, meaning when they're shot into someone the stop inside that person (the bullet expands upon impact and lodges).  If you don't use hollow point the bullet goes through the first body and could go through a few more in the line of fire. You're SUPPOSED to keep hollow points in your pistol when you carry. Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at December 21, 2010 10:04 AM (jbCcb) This. Hollowpoints are designed to transfer more kinetic energy on impact, reducing the chances of overpenetration.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2010 06:10 AM (ps5En)

135 There are legitimate reasons and benefits to switching to non lead ammunition. 1. Because you're a simpering, eco-twat pussyboy. 2. uhh... That's all I could come up with. Barnes has been making a solid-copper bullet for years. It's fucking expensive as hell and only deforms because it's heavily scored to allow flowering on impact, something the Geneva Conventions forbids. No hollowpoints, no dum-dums. So what you're left with is a high-velocity icepick that pokes tiny wound channels through human targets without expanding. It's the same complaint we got from Somalia with the steel penetrators: zapping a couple of holes in a Skinny, just to see him get back up and keep running. Johnny Jihad isn't running around in body armor. He needs to be shot with a (relatively) slower, heavier, softer bullet with the best terminal ballistics a FMJ round can offer. Not this un-American pinko shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 06:10 AM (9Qxlb)

136 The problem "the government (by libtards)" has with lead bullets is that they are a safe and economical projectile for the hated firearms. It's that simple. Eliminate affordable ammo, eliminate the firearms by rendering them useless.

Posted by: maddogg at December 21, 2010 06:13 AM (OlN4e)

137

Like pig lard, .  That's eco-friendly, right?

Can we compromise and use a part of the pig that isn't quite as delicious?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 21, 2010 06:15 AM (BSeGu)

138

the Left cannot stand real debate;

LOL- speaking of which F&F showed a clip this morning with McConnell then Kerry debating the START treaty.  OMG- Kerry's response to McConnell was "well just because you say something doesn't make it true". roflmao.  Damn Kerry, thems some great debating skills ya got there.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 21, 2010 06:16 AM (l/N7H)

139 Private ranges stay clean and recycle shells all the time.
The Military knows all about rotation.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 21, 2010 10:04 AM (H+LJc)

It's not the shells that are made of lead; it's the bullets that are fired down-range. They have to dig up the backstops, filter out the rounds, and then remediate the soil. It's expensive.

 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 06:18 AM (LH6ir)

140

I found a detailed article in Reason.

Yeh, Radley Balko is detailed...except he never mentions the bullets or magazines!

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 06:20 AM (XdlcF)

Posted by: gayuh at December 21, 2010 06:20 AM (AAPP0)

142 so is this gayuh thing a spammer... and, if so, can we get rid of him?

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 06:21 AM (IDL9N)

143 Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 10:10 AM (9Qxlb)

You forgot #3: you are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about the topic.

I wonder if our snipers are using some of those ultra-premium rounds? They have amazing ballistics, at an equally amazing price.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 06:22 AM (LH6ir)

144 #48

Good article at AT.  I have to give them more hits.

Thanks.

Posted by: Kemp at December 21, 2010 06:22 AM (JpFM9)

145 Like pig lard, .  That's eco-friendly, right?

Makes the best soap (acts just like super duper chic shea butter in saponification).

Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 21, 2010 06:22 AM (fa9yq)

146 "Can we compromise and use a part of the pig that isn't quite as delicious?" - Didn't know that any part wasn't delicious. We Hillbilly's even love the squeal. Ask Ned Beatty.

Posted by: GrumpyUnk at December 21, 2010 06:24 AM (NPZEl)

147 When I was a kid, we guzzled Lucky Leaf apple juice right out of the little cans with the big lead-soldered seam up the side. I think everyone would agree that a). I turned out just fine, and b). This third nipple is both completely coincidental AND an excellent conversation piece.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 06:24 AM (9Qxlb)

148 empire, did the 3rd nipple occur at birth or after you started drinking apple juice from lead seamed cans?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 21, 2010 06:26 AM (eOXTH)

149

I give up. NJ law says NJ law is confusing, so I'm going back to discussing Bulgarian buttermilk.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/ 2006/Bills/A3500/3075_I1.HTM

(space before 2006)

New Jersey's laws regulating the possession of firearms and ammunition by otherwise law-abiding persons are confusing to most citizens and law enforcement officers. This bill is intended to remove some of this confusion. The bill eliminates the statutory prohibition against the possession of "hollow point" and "dum-dum" ammunition. New Jersey's current prohibition includes an exemption so that a person may purchase this ammunition and transport it to his dwelling. This exemption is confusing to law enforcement officers and the public alike. While many people have been arrested and prosecuted for the mere possession of "hollow point" ammunition in New Jersey, such ammunition is unrestricted in virtually all other states.

Many common types of hunting, target and self defense ammunition have a "hollow point" or "nose." In the case of self defense ammunition, this hollow "nose," which causes the bullet to expand upon impact, makes for a safer projectile since the likelihood of a ricochet is minimized. Hollow nosed target ammunition is generally considered more accurate at long ranges than other types of ammunition.

Under the provisions of this bill, individuals would be permitted to possess "hollow point" and "dum-dum" ammunition for lawful purposes.

The bill establishes enhanced penalties for individuals who possess ammunition for an unlawful purpose. At present, the possession of "hollow point" or "dum-dum" ammunition outside of certain narrow parameters is a crime of the fourth degree. This bill provides that an individual who possesses ammunition for an unlawful purpose would be guilty of a crime of the second degree.

Finally, the bill deletes subsection b. of N.J.S.2C:39-2 which provided that with regard to any firearm permit or license, an individual was deemed in violation of the law "until he establishes the contrary." This approach is inconsistent with traditional American legal jurisprudence and, consequently, should be ended.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 06:30 AM (XdlcF)

150 You forgot #3: you are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about the topic. Oh, no - I factored that in. I wonder if our snipers are using some of those ultra-premium rounds? They have amazing ballistics, at an equally amazing price. If it's in 7.62mm, they're using Lake City Match. But what do I know, I'm an ignorant fool who's never served in an infantry company with a sniper team in its TO&E. Oh, wait...

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 06:30 AM (9Qxlb)

151 @150

Nothing (that I could find) at Volokh, Legal Insurrection, or Patterico.

BTW, what gives at Patterico?  He barely posts at his own blog now. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 06:33 AM (IDL9N)

152 My gun club recently hired a company to do lead cleanup around the trap and skeet ranges . The company paid our club around 50,000.00 to do it . If anything, cleaning up a rifle range should be simpler as the bullets should be more concentrated vs. sweeping up lead shot scattered over a wide area .

I like solid copper for hunting bullets and reload Barnes for my rifle  . But this push for non lead bullets for the military smacks of commie green bullshit .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 21, 2010 06:33 AM (YCW1b)

153 I think  our soldiers should lose ammo altogether. Why not spears? they are effective and cheap to make.

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 06:34 AM (wuv1c)

154 did the 3rd nipple occur at birth or after you started drinking apple juice from lead seamed cans? That's what makes it such an excellent conversation piece.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 06:34 AM (9Qxlb)

155 Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 10:30 AM (9Qxlb)

Just to be clear. That wasn't directed at you! I was agreeing with your criticism.

What about the bigger rounds for really long distance stuff? Lake City is far more accurate than I will ever be, but these guys are on another planet, so maybe they are making custom stuff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 06:35 AM (LH6ir)

156 57
Is anyone else getting weird audio from this page? There is something running in the background that is screwing with my computer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 21, 2010 08:52 AM (LH6ir)

I am and it is pissing me off.

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 06:37 AM (yRrAd)

157 Re: the whole Rome and lead poisoning thing...

1.) From what I've seen, I think the horse absented the barn about a week ago.  A bit late to close and lock the doors, no?

2.) Anyone done studies on all that '60s era drug proliferation and its long term effects on the population?  Not just the users, but children, grandchildren etc.  I have a sneaking feeling much would be explained...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 21, 2010 06:39 AM (GBXon)

158

I think the take away from this morning's discussion is that lead-filled Bulgarian buttermilk causes third nipples, global-warming induced snow, and confusing laws.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 21, 2010 06:39 AM (XdlcF)

159 empire, did the 3rd nipple occur at birth or after you started drinking apple juice from lead seamed cans? Posted by: phoenixgirl According to my impeccable sources (stall #3 men's room at Newark International airport, concourse 2) It always existed, but didn't start producing milk until after the juice. New motto: Juice from our cans will add juice to yours! it's too early to be this deranged (no pun intended)

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 21, 2010 06:40 AM (R2fpr)

160 I wonder if our snipers are using some of those ultra-premium rounds? They have amazing ballistics, at an equally amazing price.

I tried to send my nephew some Hydra-Shock for his sidearm, and he told me that they could only use what they were issued.  So Ball for everyone!

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 21, 2010 06:43 AM (Vsw5E)

161    So I think there are issues out here, but the builders are ignoring them.

I think that is partially the truth, but the real cause of the problem - as it is in California - is that the purchasers of those houses are ignorant of the problems.

Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 06:43 AM (ylhEn)

162 @ 156, Doesn't matter, I'm kind of an asshole, anyway. Your average Army sniper isn't rolling his own, unless he's on the Army Marksmanship Team. Even then, it's probably one of the armorers handloading, not the shooters. Can't speak for the gyrenes. Maybe we'll never know - does anyone know a Marine that can read or type?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 21, 2010 06:45 AM (9Qxlb)

163 A must see (FUNNY) news clip! How can some people be so f*cking dumb?

How to blow a turkey call.

You are so welcome danglin' morons.  Check out her left hand.

Posted by: momma at December 21, 2010 06:45 AM (penCf)

164 I think that is partially the truth, but the real cause of the problem - as it is in California - is that the purchasers of those houses are ignorant of the problems

Sure... but I guess the assumption people make is that when they buy a home, especially a new one, is that the builders hire engineers and geologists to assess the site and that they build according to code. 

The home-buying process is so effed up, a lot of hurry up and wait with mountains of paperwork, that home buyers are sort of at the mercy of the realtors and lenders to some extent. 

Having said that, I will certainly try to find an inspector qualified to assess the home site before I buy here. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 06:48 AM (IDL9N)

165 I tried to send my nephew some Hydra-Shock for his sidearm, and he told me that they could only use what they were issued.  So Ball for everyone!

Geneva convention problems - hollow points etc. are illegal under the Geneva Convention. The 5.56 ball ammo (M-16 and offspring) is borderline legal; it causes horrible wounds - much worse than .30 caliber ever did. The Japanese rifle ammo in WWII was the same sort of thing tumbled and broke up causing way worse wounds than the 30-06 of the Garand.


Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 06:49 AM (ylhEn)

166 Thanks for the infos, guys.  I follow a handful of DoD feeds on Twitter, and I understand about a third of what comes across. A lot of it seems to focus on "green", though, which kinda torques me off since "green" is bullshit.  I understand conserving money, materials, and energy; I understand reducing casualties and injuries; I don't understand why they're trying to appease the greenies, who are never going to approve of the military as long as they fight wars....

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 21, 2010 06:50 AM (4ucxv)

167 115 On the subject of Katie Couric, I think it's hilarious.  CBS wants to cut her pay due to falling ratings, but expand her role.

This to me is a win on two fronts.  Buh bye, CBS.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 21, 2010 09:56 AM (0aAJI)

I am still baffled as to why they have national network newscasts at all.  It's a money-loser.  The newsmagazines make money, especially 60 minutes, but the newscasts don't.

Local stations would rather put on local news, which does make money.

I keep expecting one of the networks to dump their national news division altogether.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 21, 2010 06:53 AM (BvBKY)

168 Fox just announced Senate has passed the cloture vote for the budget CR.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 06:53 AM (e4sSD)

169 Meanwhile, the GOP establishment caves on START. The progressive dream of American unilateral disarmament comes to fruition.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 21, 2010 07:01 AM (b0BN0)

170 84 - An Observation:  Samizdat tends to win in the end.  It just takes a long, long time.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 21, 2010 07:02 AM (btzPD)

171 The first time I shot "Expert" was in 1964. I have been a shooter all my life.  Lead has had no effect on me that anyone can measure.  Cigarettes and cheeseburgers damn near killed me, though.

 Lead core bullets perform best.  Mitigation in high use areas like shooting ranges is an acceptable cost.  The 'danger' of lead at shooting rangers is vastly over-hyped, though, but that is more my opinion than fact I admit.  This is all about eliminating cheap ammo for the masses. 

If you are serious about your own protection, make sure you buy the guns you want to have pronto.  Figure out how much ammo you will reasonably use and go to a gun show and buy it in person, even if you have to go three hundred miles. Just get it done soon.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 21, 2010 07:03 AM (o3bYL)

172 As of this morning they were reporting one RINO short.Lamar Alexander was not on their list (I don't think) so I guess they got their needed RINO.

And yes he IS a RINO by my previously described process of rating.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 07:04 AM (e4sSD)

173 Fox just reported Isakson of GA has signed on as well.

I guess its over.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 07:05 AM (e4sSD)

174 39
ya2daup, nobody would fault you if you elected to geld yourself before you were forced to undertake such a grim deed.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 21, 2010 08:23 AM (9hSKh)

One of these days Kratos, straight to the Moon!

Posted by: ya2daup at December 21, 2010 07:08 AM (yRrAd)

175 UN evacuated because of a "suspicious odor". LOL, you can't make this shit up folks.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 07:10 AM (e4sSD)

176 174 Fox just reported Isakson of GA has signed on as well.

I guess its over.

WTF?!?!

Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 21, 2010 07:13 AM (fa9yq)

177 172 The first time I shot "Expert" was in 1964. I have been a shooter all my life.  Lead has had no effect on me that anyone can measure.

The concern is not for a direct effect from handling bullets.  It's the environmental impact, which can affect you directly (from water) but also affects living things much smaller than you. 

What's the point of being a hunter if there's nothing to hunt?


I think it's important to toe the line between preserving one set of rights versus weighing the impact on other rights.  I take the view that technological advances are a good thing, overall, so if they can develop good ammunition that has a lower environmental impact all the better. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2010 07:19 AM (IDL9N)

178 Highly concentrated use of copper bullets will soon result in an unnatural concentration of copper in berms and backstops. Please read up on copper poisoning. It's a bitch.

The EPA's prescribed remediation for excess concentrations of lead at shotgun ranges is to spread the soil with lime. Only in cases of many years' accumulation of exposed lead and recurring acid rain (a fairly rare occurrence) is there any danger of groundwater contamination by spent lead "projectiles," and the enforcement body at that point becomes the Corps of Engineers. Copper is almost certainly a greater hazard.

The lead exposure hazard of range clean-up is always--not sometimes, always--the handling of the spent lead, not its presence in the backstop. The contaminated berm is perfectly safe until you disturb it, and it virtually never needs to be disturbed in an active range, only when the grounds are abandoned. 


Posted by: comatus at December 21, 2010 07:19 AM (hrwMe)

179 Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2010 11:05 AM

Playing politics with national security is treason.

If the treaty passes today, at least 66 Senators should be in prison tonight.

Along with Osama Obama, the Traitor-in-Chief.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2010 07:24 AM (Ulu3i)

180 Y-Not:  Don't grow tomatoes next to the shooting range.  There might be some danger from lead in the air while you are shooting--but come on, removing lead from the ground outdoors is a bulldozer job.  Indoor mitigation requires a bit more thought but still no big deal.  This is about limiting access to ammo for Joe Citizen.  Period.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 21, 2010 07:26 AM (o3bYL)

181 One of the worst green fiascoes  is the ROHS movement in electronics which came out of  Europe. ROHS stands for Removal Of Hazardous Substances. What it means is getting the lead out of solder in electronics. The lead was in solder for a very good reason; if you make solder with only tin the soldered joints will grow little tin 'whiskers' which can short out nearby pins on chips; causing unknown and unpredictable equipment failures.

Today all of the chip and solder manufacturers are saluting the Green Flag  and making only ROHS parts. ROHS solves a problem which simply doesn't exist; lead and tin form an extremely stable amalgam - the lead doesn't leach out of the solder in landfills etc. There is no case world wide of the lead in electronic solder killing so much as a bacterium.

Military, aerospace, and medical equipment are exempt from ROHS. Why is that? Because the people who created the regulations knew that ROHS electronics would be crap and not work reliably. Electronics used to be very reliable - not any more. Your new computer, Big Screen TVs, new cars, all have unreliable ROHS parts in them and are much more prone to failure than they were 7 or 8 years ago. Cars in Europe are already breaking down from this garbage.

Think that doesn't matter? Think about what happens when the computer in your car fails because of ROHS and the antilock breaks go berserk, or the airbags go off in your face, or the traction control locks up one of your wheels at 70 mph. Or think about what happens when those ROHS parts wind up in the electronics in a Jumbo Jet and the fly by wire computer decides to take a dive into a city. Yeah, it does matter and yeah, its a big deal.
 

Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 07:28 AM (ylhEn)

182

Hollowpoint ammunition in handguns (except for exotic stuff like Glasser) is pretty much a joke. Typical 9 mm ammo goes around 1,350 fps (muzzle velocity). You have to go north of 2,000 for substantial, reliable expansion and hydrostatic shock. The only handgun bullets that expand more than marginally are hot .357 loads.

The 5.56 rounds in current use are lame because they are so light. They do travel fast enough to produce hydrostatic shock but because they are so light their energy bleeds off quickly. They are far less than optimum at anything beyond 50 yards. I read a book on today's snipers and they thought the issue ammo sucked. After lots of fighting with higher ups they finally got some 68 grain ammo they said was pretty good. The original ammo was a mere 55 grains, the green stuff is 62 grain.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 21, 2010 07:28 AM (7+pP9)

183 Why are Republican Senators signing on to this stupid treaty?  What exactly is the logic here?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 21, 2010 07:30 AM (TpXEI)

184 "Census total for America in 2010 308,745,538 people. Up 9.7% from 2000."


This illustrates the pressing necessity to legalize as many aliens as possible, as soon as possible.

Posted by: schizuki at December 21, 2010 07:31 AM (M+lbD)

185 That's 2 Mil. worth of Mexican Schwag!

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2010 07:37 AM (+XDL7)

186 182. Well that explains A LOT. and here I was blaming the Chinese for making crap hard drives. I think I'll just keep on driving my 97 nissan then HEY! we're losing a seat in PA! well I for one am happy. nice R state house; R governor . . . let's get rid of Murtha's tainted taint of a district!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2010 07:39 AM (SB0V2)

187 157, 57

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Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 08:23 AM (ylhEn)

188 With the Republicans folding right and left on almost every issue, I am wondering what good it did to kick ass in the mid terms?

Posted by: kansas at December 21, 2010 08:36 AM (mka2b)

189 #183 - Not to be argumentative, because there might be some legitimacy to what you said, but when I purchased hollow-point ammo for my .38, the sales clerk remarked that a special chemical additive in those shells significantly increased the velocity of those .38 projectiles over the velocity produced by conventional loads, which made sense to me at the time, because, otherwise, the hollow point would have slowed down the projectile. I don't know why he would have volunteered that statistic if it wasn't true. I didn't even request hollow-points. He suggested that I should try them. Maybe the manufacturer was having a special promotion on them. You might be right with respect to their mushrooming effect, though, because I didn't notice any discernible difference in the splashes in the hillside behind my targets.  I suppose our slight difference of opinion shall forever remain one of life's mysteries as to which one is true. Not that it matters, I suppose, also.

Posted by: Brian at December 21, 2010 08:49 AM (sYrWB)

190 I read in the Houston Chronicle today that LULAC and the NAACP are suing the textbook people over full disclosure of the KKK in history books.

I agree - I think that it is critically important for those books to point out that the Democrats were and are the party of the KKK.

Oh, they don't want that much full disclosure.

Posted by: An Observation at December 21, 2010 09:01 AM (ylhEn)

191 BTW, unless they're on sale at a reduced price again, I wouldn't bother to buy hollow-points again, because their difference is so negligible that they're a waste of money, imho. Now, with .30-.30 or .30-.06, that might be a whole different story. But I'll never know, because I have stockpiled enough of that ammo to last me until hell freezes over.

Posted by: Brian at December 21, 2010 09:11 AM (sYrWB)

192 188 157, 57

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