March 16, 2010

Top Headline Comments 3-16-10
— Gabriel Malor

Forgot about the Top Headlines yesterday. My bad.

Also, updated whip count will be out this evening. Some interesting news to whet your appetite, though. The NY Times is reporting that the President is focusing some effort on Dina Titus (NV-3), Betty Sutton (OH-13), Bob Etheridge (NC-2), and Mike McIntyre (NC-7).

You will note that Titus, Sutton, and Etheridge are not named in my whip count. That's because everyone had them in the 191 Dems "definitely on board." I guess not. McIntyre is on my list as "No Means No" and I've seen nothing to suggest that has changed.

The President and Nancy seem to lose one Democrat each day. That is, at least one each day for the past week has announced that they are voting against the bill. If that trend continues, Democrats will be two votes shy if the vote is taken on Saturday. But if the bill isn't going to pass, expect it to fail by more than just one or two votes. Dems are coming to this only reluctantly. If it's going to not pass, it's going to not pass by ten or twenty votes in the final roll call.

Folks I'm hearing are "no" votes who haven't stated it yet: Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, Lincoln Davis.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:14 AM | Comments (79)
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The post I had for headlines yesterday

From the sidebar story: Adios to the Hummer. [ArthurK]

 

The next generation of U.S. battlefield truck will be the seven ton JLTV (Joint Light Tactical Vehicle), which replaces the 2.4 ton HMMWV. The hummer had itself replaced the 1.1 ton jeep and 3 ton M37 "3/4 ton" truck 25 years ago.

 

If I am not mistaken a few years ago the “experts” were bemoaning the fact that we could not get our troops into combat except at a glacial pace because the armored vehicles were so heavy they had to be shipped by oceangoing freighters which we had fewer and fewer of.

 

So what has changed now.  Can we stand to make the “jeeps” more than twice as heavy?  Another thing to keep in mind.  All this Iraqi war “experience” with armoring Hummers  is only going to result in more gearing up to fight the last war syndrome while ignoring the next warÂ’s needs. 

 

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 05:17 AM (QrA9E)

2

Re sidebar The House Health-Care Vote and the Constitution Former 10th Circuit Court Of Appeals judge and Stanford Law Prof weighs in. (tmi3rd)

 

Why link to a WSJ story that can not be read because you have to pay for a subcription?

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 05:22 AM (QrA9E)

3 So, when's this foolish thing getting voted on, anyway?  Is it supposed to be on Friday?

Posted by: Beppo at March 16, 2010 05:23 AM (Iixgl)

4 I think they're just holding out for money and shit.

Posted by: cassandra at March 16, 2010 05:24 AM (Y4+1E)

5 Is that no to the "no-vote", or no to the vote? Or is that no to slaughtering the vote, or no to vote for slaughter?... It's all very confusing.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 16, 2010 05:24 AM (usjNq)

6 A friend of mine makes and ships the heavy duty bullet proof windshields for the armored hummers. They are heavy but they are not installed here, they are installed at site. So they don't add weight to the Hummer. He packs each one with oreos and slim jims (heat/cold proof) at his own expense. Over the last 3 years he has spent $90,000 of his own money. There are ways to get around the weight problem, however if you don't let the market work, you stifle innovation, and surpress small business....

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:24 AM (2APed)

7 1 Right you are Vic.It's also anti Rumsfeld blowback as he was part of the so-called "lightweight mafia".I thought Rummy was pushing the idea too far but this goes too far in the other direction.I will say that the armor is probably modular and upgradeable ie the vehicle is not necessarily 7 tons unless it is fully equipped.

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:24 AM (lYg7f)

8

As far as vehicles go, if you make a vehicle that can stand up to direct hits from high explosives, you have a tank. It's rather pointless, IMHO, to attempt to make these vehicles into something unsuitable for their job. Perhaps a change in strategy rather than a change in vehicle design might be considered.

Posted by: maddogg at March 16, 2010 05:25 AM (OlN4e)

9 Boucher is in serious redneck territory. That could go either way. He is in coal country and is already in trouble for being pro-crap n tax.

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:25 AM (2APed)

10 "lincoln davis" Talk about being of mixed heritage.

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:27 AM (2APed)

11 Great work staying on top of this Gabriel. Appreciate it

Posted by: blindgoose at March 16, 2010 05:28 AM (hZOQ8)

12

Obama demanded last week that they have an up-or-down vote on health care.  I agree.  Have the damned vote RIGHT NOW so it can be defeated and we can move on.

He doesn't have the votes, but he's the one that demanded an up-or-down vote, so give it to him and defeat the damned thing in the House.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 16, 2010 05:30 AM (glcmc)

13 Etheridge is having doubts as his office has been the scene of several protest here in Raleigh recently. While there have been people from both sides of the issue, the pro-"reform" protesters were the usual list of rent-a-mobs while those on our side were genuine and had a much higher level of passion. It will be interesting to see how this plays out for him.

Posted by: Opinionator at March 16, 2010 05:30 AM (DCqCM)

14 8 Rumsfeld was pilloried to for a comment along those lines back at the beginning of the insurgency.American's have never dealt with casualties very well.

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:30 AM (lYg7f)

15 11 Ditto Mr.Malor.

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:31 AM (lYg7f)

16

The Republicans should be talking to some of these guys and be talking some Comm. positions come next fall, as Nancy & Co. won't be running the show anymore.

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 16, 2010 05:32 AM (4QCvv)

17

Maybe Zero can address the Tea Party protesters this weekend. You know, butter them up with a little TOTUS oratory. Convince them with his truth and logic..............................................................nah.

Posted by: maddogg at March 16, 2010 05:33 AM (OlN4e)

18

March 15 (Bloomberg) -- Senator Christopher Dodd unveiled legislation that empowers regulators to break up large financial firms, ban proprietary trading, and oversee hedge funds and derivatives, aiming to enact the most sweeping rules overhaul since the 1930s.

Well if they can't take over health care just regulate the hell out of the investment industry.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 16, 2010 05:33 AM (1Jaio)

19 Well if they can't take over health care just regulate the hell out of the investment industry.


You heartless bastard. Maybe they are trying to help people with

loan issues???

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 16, 2010 05:36 AM (DI+vn)

20 This fuking bill has the government student loan takeover attached to it. Then the govt handles all student loans, decides who they go to, what institutions get them and what those institutions have to teach to qualify. Essentially they are putting themselves in charge of who gets educated and who doesn't. What could go wrong?

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:38 AM (2APed)

21

Well if they can't take over health care just regulate the hell out of the investment industry.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 16, 2010 09:33 AM (1Jaio)

Yeah, the investment industry has done a bang up job, hasn't it. It would be a shame if Congress regulated it.

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2010 05:39 AM (ZjIuP)

22 18 Would it be wrong to wish rectal cancer on Chris Dodd?

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:39 AM (lYg7f)

23 Speaking of student loans, I still remember Reagan foreclosing on unpaid student loans. Heh. Those pictures of tow trucks hauling away Mercedes from in front of Mansions made me laugh.

Posted by: maddogg at March 16, 2010 05:40 AM (OlN4e)

24

Beware the head fake.

Getting blindsided sucks.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 16, 2010 05:41 AM (SCcgT)

25 You had to know the Dem Leaders were desperate when Nancy the Freedom Slayer asked Dems to fall on their swords. Pols don't play dat.

Posted by: eman at March 16, 2010 05:42 AM (xJwcz)

26

Why link to a WSJ story that can not be read because you have to pay for a subcription?

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 09:22 AM (QrA9E)

As a WSJ subscriber I have found that I can use their "Send This" feature to e-mail a link to myself, then copy that link and paste it up for others to use.

Haven't read the terms-and-conditions to see if that's proper.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 16, 2010 05:42 AM (2QFX4)

27 Yeah, the investment industry has done a bang up job, hasn't it. It would be a shame if Congress regulated it.

What we really want is more government interference in the markets to, you know, seriously fuck things up.

Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2010 05:43 AM (sxq57)

28 Mcintyre (D-NC)  is a definite No. Statement posted by his office in Wilmington Star-News and local TV on 3/15/10.

Posted by: softwind at March 16, 2010 05:43 AM (uJm3a)

29 29 Leno joked about this.He said Obama threatened Dems that if they didn't vote yes he WOULD campaign for them.

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:45 AM (lYg7f)

30 23 They were deductible then not deductible then deductible again. Guess when we paid paid back my husband's loans? Yep, during the "non-deductible' period. Actually, that was brief because we bought a house, fixed it up then refinanced the loans into the house loan and then deducted them. 15 years later and I still have power tool calluses.

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:46 AM (2APed)

31 Morning m&m's!

The prez stfu told the folks in Ohio yesterday to not believe the polls but listen to the American people, what a guy. Idiot!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 16, 2010 05:46 AM (lL7lR)

32 Leno better watch it.  That Mullaly chick was p-o'd at him the other day for having Sarah Palin on.  He's not in lockstep with the others, and that must not be allowed to happen.  He's straying from the farm and only wants to gain the audience of "red states." 

Posted by: Twinks at March 16, 2010 05:48 AM (wRPBa)

33 Obama only got 200 people yesterday. So much for greek god status.

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 05:48 AM (2APed)

34 Did you all see Gibbs wearing SEIU purple tie and wrist band on the Sunday shows?Big Government has the picture up.Andy Stern wears the same band.

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 05:51 AM (lYg7f)

35

Blame it on the snow:

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. housing starts fell about 5.9% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 575,000 in February as several massive snow storms hit the East and South, according to data released Tuesday by the Commerce Department.

It's never Obama's fault.

Posted by: Tinian at March 16, 2010 05:52 AM (7+pP9)

36 uncommitted Dems are gettable ...  the only reason they haven't said they are a no is because they don't want the MSM, DCN and lefty nutroots anger (the money) ...  if they were really a Yes they would have said so already ...

Posted by: Jeff at March 16, 2010 05:52 AM (1Aiyp)

37 38,

I would prefer to see him wear the bracelet as a choker.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 16, 2010 05:53 AM (lL7lR)

38 @35

Heh.  200 folks, but they were fainting!!  That right there doubles or triples the actual count.  Seriously though...it goes without saying, but I'm so sick of the Obama prop-people that stand up behind him.  Can't the man just stand there and give his stupid speeches?  He has to insist on surrounding himself with a backdrop of bleachers filled with people.  Everything with him is an illusion.  It's all imagery. 

Posted by: Twinks at March 16, 2010 05:54 AM (wRPBa)

39 The prez stfu told the folks in Ohio yesterday to not believe the polls but listen to the American people

Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore. It's too crowded.

Posted by: Yogi Hussein at March 16, 2010 05:54 AM (DI+vn)

40

Well if they can't take over health care just regulate the hell out of the investment industry.

Isn't it "ironic" that one of the chief architects of the collapse is the one hawking even more (and unnecessary) regulation of the "investment industry".

In a sane world not only would he be laughed off the floor of the Senate but he would have long ago been prosecuted for corruption and thrown in jail.  That is if he had not allready been tarred and feathered and given a free ride out of Washington on a fence rail.

Of course not a peep on this "irony" from our much vaunted free press.

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 05:54 AM (QrA9E)

41 So much for greek god status.

Has anyone told him he's not actually the Messiah? 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 05:54 AM (mR7mk)

42 My understanding is that the JLTV comes in five versions, the heaviest weighing around 7 tons and the lightest considerably less. Plus they'll keep Hummers around for a while for noncombat duties. This link is useful: "Some of the variants will be armored to help soldiers survive roadside bombings and small arms fire during combat operations. In all five versions are expected including infantry combat vehicles and non-armored versions for use as ambulances, utility vehicles, and general purpose mobility. The JLTV has a higher payload than the Humvee as well. Six soldiers can ride in the JLTV in some versions with other versions carrying less depending on how it is outfitted." http://tinyurl.com/yggubr4

Posted by: joncelli at March 16, 2010 05:54 AM (RD7QR)

43 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.

Posted by: Yogi Hussein at March 16, 2010 05:56 AM (DI+vn)

44 Blame it on the snow that was fallin' fallin'
Blame it on the winds that blew all night

Posted by: President Vanilli at March 16, 2010 05:56 AM (mR7mk)

45 You should always go to other people's funerals. Otherwise, they won't come to yours.

Posted by: Yogi Hussein at March 16, 2010 05:57 AM (DI+vn)

46 Unless I'm remembering wrong, I think there was also a pic of Oshithead wearing a purple (lavender) tie at the Ohio lie-fest yesterday.  My first thought is....how childish.  My second thought is these people are really, really living, breathing ideologues.  Insane ones at that.

Posted by: Twinks at March 16, 2010 05:58 AM (wRPBa)

47

Leno better watch it.  That Mullaly chick was p-o'd at him the other day for having Sarah Palin on.  He's not in lockstep with the others, and that must not be allowed to happen.

And its funny how Leno is knockng the snot outta Lettermench in his firts week back.

These TV execs are as idealogically blinded as the pols.

We are screwed.

 

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at March 16, 2010 05:58 AM (pr+up)

48 Does Ace have loan issues???


Maybe, donate to Ace, help support a life style of booze and ruin other than your own!!!

Posted by: rad roans! at March 16, 2010 05:59 AM (EVoH+)

49

Oh -- and David Brooks has written another article telling Republicans what they should think about Obama.

Posted by: Tinian at March 16, 2010 05:59 AM (7+pP9)

50

Isn't it "ironic" that one of the chief architects of the collapse is the one hawking even more (and unnecessary) regulation of the "investment industry".

 

There was some discussion about this in my local CT rag.  As much as Dodd is despised, the class warfare rhetoric that's being pushed is much more appetizing to some.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at March 16, 2010 05:59 AM (sUJOh)

51 Iran is hanging more protesters today.  Or maybe they already have, it's after lunch there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 06:02 AM (mR7mk)

52

Iran is hanging more protesters today.  Or maybe they already have, it's after lunch there.

Obviously, we should pressure Isreal to cease building settlements.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at March 16, 2010 06:05 AM (sUJOh)

53

And Israel, too.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at March 16, 2010 06:06 AM (sUJOh)

54 58 Yes.How dare those filthy Jews build housing in their own territory!!

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 06:06 AM (lYg7f)

55 60 58 Yes.How dare those filthy Jews build housing in their own territory!!

Posted by: steevy at March 16, 2010 10:06 AM (lYg7f)

Really, the palpable tone of self-righteous indignation of Axle-boner and Clit-on w/this whole Joooo settlement issue is friggin priceless. Isreal stuck in their ass, good...These dopes are waaaaay outta their league.

Posted by: dananjcon at March 16, 2010 06:12 AM (pr+up)

56 As much as Dodd is despised, the class warfare rhetoric that's being pushed is much more appetizing to some.

I was wondering the other day why the people who stalk bankers at their homes and hold screamfests outside of banks--because they believe profit and corporations are evil and oppress "the people"--never say one word about the NCAA tournament.  Huge corporate profits, and the workers at the center of it all aren't allowed to get paid.  OK, some of them get a scholarship which they may or may not take advantage of to get an education (would be interesting to compare dollar value to hours worked, including practice, travel, and year-round conditioning/training), and a teeny fraction of them become very wealthy after leaving school (no different than the student body at large), but we still have a whole lot of fat white old guys making big bucks off of unpaid mostly black kids and their dreams, and not a peep out of ACORN or anyone.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 06:16 AM (mR7mk)

57

I was wondering the other day why the people who stalk bankers at their homes and hold screamfests outside of banks--because they believe profit and corporations are evil and oppress "the people"--never say one word about the NCAA tournament.

You know Heather, I have often wondered if parts of the black community ARE saying something about this kind of crap and we just never hear about it because the media doesn't cover that side of the story.

The classic tree falling in the forrest syndrom.

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 06:23 AM (QrA9E)

58 63 Nah

Posted by: dagny at March 16, 2010 06:27 AM (2APed)

Posted by: curious at March 16, 2010 06:35 AM (p302b)

60 Vic--Here's a Time magazine article from 25 years ago that got me started (I was Googling Lafester Rhodes...good old days).  Could it get published today, even with the "white coaches use black kids" angle? Legacy media makes a lot of money off college basketball.  Which is why I was wonder about groups that describe themselves as "counter-culture" and Marxist...they never protest record labels, either.  Hypocrites.

Age + college...isn't there a "development league" where they can go directly from high school for a year or two instead of the unpaid "student athlete" farce?  I understand some of players really do go to class and accumulate enough credits to graduate, especially at the small schools, but the big names at the big schools dropping out after two years would really be better off getting paid a journeyman wage in a minor-league instead of wasting tuition dollars that could go to someone who actually wants a degree.

Not very free-market of me, but college tuition stopped being free-market when the government started guaranteeing student loans.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 07:06 AM (mR7mk)

61

So I just tried to shoot an e-mail to Rep. Sutton (my rep - OH-13) encouraging her to vote no on the health care abomination and her e-mail contact form is non functioning.  I guess she's tired of hearing from us.

 

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at March 16, 2010 07:07 AM (0vFVj)

63 I posted the article concerning Israel but you could insert cap and tax, immigration, and all the myriad of stuff the dems have in the smorgasbord of crazy they are putting out this year.   It does seem as though the republicans need every ounce of strength to deal with the daily health care meat grinder they are being put through.

Posted by: curious at March 16, 2010 07:11 AM (p302b)

64 [dire warning - starts with in case (for reference use we're fucked code #119)]

Posted by: same ol' same ol' at March 16, 2010 07:17 AM (EVoH+)

65

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 11:06 AM (mR7mk)

I think one of the liberal mags made a similar case against college football a few years ago. If I remember correctly the mag bemoaned the fact that only 40% of the college football players actually graduated.

They kicked and screamed right up until one of the major colleges hauled out the actual statistics for their graduation rate which showed that the rate for the football players was higher than the rest of the college in general. Was the liberal mag embarred with egg on its face?  Hahaha, liberals are encapable of being embarrassed.

Still; if it was left up to me there would zero sports in high school or college. I would recommend that U.S. sports go the way of the European soccer leagues where each town forms its own team or teams.

As far as I am concerned the NCAA is a racket. 

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 07:32 AM (QrA9E)

Posted by: curious at March 16, 2010 07:41 AM (p302b)

67 one of the major colleges hauled out the actual statistics for their graduation rate which showed that the rate for the football players was higher than the rest of the college in general.

I remember that, which is why I pointed out that some of the athletes really are students .  But the ones who aren't--why is it OK to exploit them?  Why aren't people who view themselves as champions of the oppressed doing something about kids who are being used?   (Yeah, I know--same reason they don't care if you want your free gov't mortgage to house underage sex-slaves.  There's big money for someone if everyone keeps their mouths shut.)

As for graduation rates in general, "going to college" is over-sold.  That's a whole other rant.  I also agree with you about high school sports.  If anyone was serious about "education reform" that should be the first to go. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 07:53 AM (mR7mk)

68

I am thoroughly enjoying the developing information that the San Diego "runaway Prius" story is fishy...

For those that don't know, it turns out that the "victim" is post-bankruptcy, and still deeply in debt, behind even on his Prius payments.  Toyota engineers have been unable to reproduce the events as he describes them, and now the 911 recording has been released, with him telling the operator that he was too busy keeping his hands on the wheel and trying to avoid traffic to bother with shifting into neutral.  Turns out, on his model of Prius, the gearshift is within reach even while your hands are on the wheel...

Posted by: reason at March 16, 2010 08:00 AM (F26eZ)

69 Honestly, I think I stand a better chance of re-election if I can make it clear to my constituents that I'm *not* in your pocket, Mr. Precedent.

Posted by: a wavering Democratic Party senator at March 16, 2010 08:02 AM (F26eZ)

70

 If anyone was serious about "education reform" that should be the first to go. 

Yeah, that is one of my personal rants. I had my daughter in a priavte school through grammer school because the public schools here were so shitty. When it got to be time for her to go to the 7th grade the school shut down the grades above 6th.

When I asked why their response was that so many parents were pulling their kids and putting them back in the public school so they could have "football" and cheerleading that they didn't have enough students to support classes.

I just wanted to scream.  Parents cared more about football than they did their kids.

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2010 08:02 AM (QrA9E)

71 Castro Interviews Obama: http://www.optoons.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Justin Camp at March 16, 2010 08:24 AM (nF4Jh)

72 I see Tiger is coming back for the Masters. Duh. As if anyone didn't know that was going to happen. Nothing would ever stop Tiger from playing The Masters short of paralysis. If Tiger's mother keeled over following him around the Masters he would ask a ranger to take her body to the clubhouse so he could pick it up at the end of his round.

Posted by: Rocks at March 16, 2010 10:09 AM (Q1lie)

73 > 2 Re sidebar The House Health-Care Vote and the Constitution Former 10th Circuit Court Of Appeals judge and Stanford Law Prof weighs in. (tmi3rd) Why link to a WSJ story that can not be read because you have to pay for a subcription? Posted by: Vic Ahhh, but you CAN read it without a sub. 1. Click on the link. You get the first paragraph of the article. 2. Look for a unique bit of text. I chose the first half of 2nd sentence. "It is named not for the political carnage that it might inflict on their members" 3. cut and paste that (or just use Opera so you can skip the cut and paste part) and do a Google News search on that text. (surround text with quotes so you do an exact search) 4. Look for a link to the same story you just saw with a WSJ URL. 5. Click on that link and read the whole story. How does it work? You don't have a sub to the WSJ... But GOOGLE does! And you're reading the story through googles computers. This trick works on many subscription sites.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 16, 2010 10:32 AM (lDH4k)

74 Has there been any word yet on an NCAA tourney bracket for AoSHQ?

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 16, 2010 10:43 AM (zJv+T)

76

Kate Winslet and Sam Mendes have SPLIT! Thank you GOD! Do Not EVER give up on a dream people. I KNEW sacrificing house cats to Satan would work.

I. JUST. KNEW. IT!

Hail Satan, Ya'll!

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77

"This trick works on many subscription sites."

TickleKings.com?

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